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				<description><![CDATA[ Hello Dakka, <br /> <br /> I was toying with some nice option to pimp a bit the Tempestus. I know many people just consider them a branch of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span>, and with a reason, but many other like the concept of a simple and difficult elite-but-normal-human army. <br /> <br /> I just added very few options, and I think that even adding one of these elements (the new orders) would help immensely these dudes. Still, this would be an army better used for small point games or with support/supporting other imperials, and I am fine with that.<br /> <br /> Feel free with being merciless, but stay on topic. Feel free to tell me that an order or rule sucks, but please refrain from "<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(130);'>TS</span> armies should not exist".Some people like them, get over it. If you disagree, open another topic, ok? Thank you.<br /> <br /> <b>Codex: Tempestus Scions by Kaiyanwang - a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> Fandex</b><br /> <br /> <i>Tempestus Scions are the elite of the Imperial Guard and the core of the Militarum Tempestus, also known as Stormtroopers. They are specialised in careful plans and destructive, focused attacks. They often help Inquisitors, Marine chapters and Imperial Guard taking charge of  a specific mission. Some regiment has its specific Stormtroopers, as an example Cadia and its famous Kasrkins.  Scions mix the use of fast transports and aerial support, deepstrikes and excellent training to deliver a payload of death into the enemies of the Emperor. </i><br /> <br /> NOTE: if I don't mention something, is because is unchanged compared to the codex: Militarum Tempestus. Astra Militaurm codex will be referenced, too.<br /> As an example, the Warlord Traits are unchanged. I will not mention them (we can work on them later, I would change 1-2 of them but is not the priority).<br /> <br /> Point Cost Changes and modifications:<br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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<br /> Point Cost Changes of units are indicated in their entry. Other changes:<br /> Plasma Pistol: 10 Points<br /> Taurox Prime: 70 Points (+5 gatling, +10 Missile launcher, Volley/Autocannon remains for free as in codex)<br /> Other Taurox options: Camo Netting down to 10 pts, augur down to 15.<br /> Chimera is added to dedicated transports. 55 points base. Options as in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> codex.<br /> Valkyrie cost is unchanged, BS4.<br /> 
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</div><br /> <br /> <b><u>Orders and new orders system</b></u><br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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<br /> Order System is divided in Senior Officer and Junior Officer Orders. Seniors (Like the Tempestor Supreme) start the turn sequence of orders like in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> codex, <br /> and have access to Senior Off and Junior Off orders. Juniors (like the Tempestor Prime) have access to Junior Officer Orders only and can start to give orders after <br /> the seniors. See Chain of Command in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> codex, works the same way (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(338);'>CCS</span></span> give orders before the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>PCS</span>).<br /> <br /> <i><b>Senior Officer Orders</b></i>:<br /> <i>Bring it Down!</i> Unit gains Monster Hunter and Tank Hunter.<br /> <i>Fire on my Target!</i> Unit gains Ignore Cover<br /> <i>Get Back in the Fight!</i> A grounded/falling back units immediately gets up/regroups<br /> <i>Smite at Will!</i> Unit gets Split Fire<br /> <i>Take position!</i> Unit can run or go to ground after shooting.<br /> <i>Aim for the Sky!</i> Only to Tauroxes and only if the officer has a Vox Caster. If the Taurox is equipped with Cyclone or <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(55);'>HK</span> Missiles, such weapons gain Skyfire.<br /> <br /> <i><b>Junior Officer Orders</b></i>: <br /> <i>Directed Firestorm Sanctioned!</i> - Unit gets twin-linked.<br /> <i><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(371);'>FRFSRF</span></i> Hotshots gain 1 additional shot, Volley count as stationary (4 shots).<br /> <i>Autonomous Fire Sanctioned! </i> Unit gets Preferred Enemy.<br /> <i>Take Aim!</i> - Ordered unit gets Rending against an enemy <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(93);'>MC</span>/Vehicle.<br /> <i>Advance on Target!</i> Units gets Crusader and Fleet<br /> <i>Suppression Doctrine Sanctioned!</i> - Unit's hotshots lasguns fire 1 shot, gain 6" range, sniper, pinning, cannot charge<br /> <br /> <i>The Chain of command (the order in which the Orders are given)  is the following:<br /> Tempestus Scions <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(338);'>CCSs</span><br /> Lord Commissars<br /> Tempestus Scions PCSs<br /> Commissars</i><br /> 
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</div><br /> <br /> <b><u><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span></b></u><br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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<br /> <u>Tempestus Scions <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(338);'>CCS</span></span></u><br /> Is a Militarum Tempestus Command Squad, as in codex (option for 4 special weapons, as in codex), with the following changes:<br /> Point Cost: 85 points<br /> 2 Senior Officer or Junior Officer orders/turn. Range 18".<br /> Med-pack is 10 points.<br /> Clarion Vox is valid for orders, too (so, leadership 9 to unitis within the range of 18").<br /> The character is a Tempestus Supreme with 3W.<br /> <br /> Dedicated Transports: Taurox Prime, Chimera, Valkyrie<br /> <br /> <u>Commissar</u><br /> As for Tempestus Sscions codex, but with the additional rule:<br /> <i>Enforce Mission Aim</i>: the commissar can choose 1 order from the Junior Officer list and use it on any units of the same detachment he is attached to. If the Commissar is upgraded to Lord Commissar, He can select a Senior Officer order instead. The order cannot be changed during the battle. The commissar can use Summary Execution to enforce the order (you cannot reroll twice rolls, so does not stack with the Vox Caster). <br /> 
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</div><br /> <br /> <b>Troops<br /> </b><div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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<br /> <u>Tempestus Scions Stormtroopers Platoon</u><br /> Is a platoon, as described in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> codex where the scions are an Elite choice. <br /> <br /> *1-3 Tempestus Scion Squads (They still get 2 special weapons/squad) , as in codex, with the following changes:<br /> Point Cost: 65 points, +11 pts/Scion up to 10 Scions<br /> Dedicated transports:  Taurox Prime, Chimera <br /> <br /> *0-1 Tempestus Scion <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(331);'>PCS</span><br /> It works like the Militarum Tempestus Command Squad (4 specials/squad), same stats, with the following changes:<br /> Point Cost: 75 points<br /> 1 Junior Officer order/turn. Range 18"<br /> Med-pack is 10 points.<br /> Clarion Vox is valid for orders, too (LD9 within 18").<br /> The character is a Tempestus Prime with 2W (as in codex, I write it here for clarity).<br /> Dedicated transports: Taurox Prime, Chimera <br /> 
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<br /> <u>Tempestus Scions Infiltrators<br /> </u>Is a Tempestus Scion Squad that loses <i>Deep Strike</i> and gains <i>Infiltrate</i>.<br /> Same options of the Tempestus Scion Squad, but no dedicated transport.<br /> Cost unchanged (65 base + options, included add up to 10 scions, 11 pts/model).<br /> The squad has the possibility to take Sniper Rifles for 2 points as special weapons.<br /> The Squad can be equipped with an Homing Beacon for 10 points. <br /> <br /> 
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</div><br /> <br /> <b>Fast Attacks</b><br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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<br /> <u>Tempestus Scions Incursors</u><br /> Is a Tempestus Scion Squad that loses Deep strike and gains Outflank.<br /> Point cost unchanged (65 base + options, included add up to 10 scions, 11 pts/model).<br /> The only dedicated transport can be the Taurox Prime, that can outflank if carries the Scions.<br /> The Squad can be equipped with an Homing Beacon for 10 points. <br /> <br /> <u>Valkyrie</u> (see codex), but is BS4<br /> <br /> <u>Vendetta Gunship</u> (see <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> codex PEW PEW)<br /> <br /> 
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</div><br /> <br /> <b>Heavy Supports</b><br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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<br /> <u>Tempestus Scions Demolition Team</u><br /> Is a Tempestus Scion Squad that can be selected only in a detachment in which a Militarum Tempestus character is the Warlord.<br /> Point cost unchanged (65 base + options, included add up to 10 scions, 11 pts/model).<br /> For special weapons (2 per squad), the squad can select:<br /> Heavy Flamer for +10 Points<br /> Demolition Charge for +20 points.<br /> <br /> <u>Vulture Gunship</u> Forge World one, no changes. BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT<br /> 
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</div><br /> <br /> <b><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(787);'>LoW</span>:</b><br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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<br /> None, Take a knight if is the case.<br /> 
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<br /> <i><b>Work In Progress - let's discuss the rules first.<br /> </i></b>
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</div><br /> <br /> What do you think, DAKKA? If you don't like the Infiltrators, Incursors and Demolitors, I can re-work the with only <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> and Troops, and re-introduce the old Stormtrooper missions of 5th edition, but this time army-wide (or detachment-wide).<br /> <br /> <b>EDIT: Track of edited, removed parts</b><br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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<br /> <i>The following changes were made to weapons but were amended</i>.<br /> Plasma Gun: 12 Points<br /> Grenade Launcher and Flamer: 3 Points<br /> Melta, HSVG : 8 points<br /> Power Weapon: 10 points<br /> Power Fist: 17 points<br /> Heavy Flamer for +7 Points<br /> Demolition Charge for +15 points.<br /> 
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				<description><![CDATA[ I get the change to the Plasma Pistol, but why the Special Weapons? Those are the same universal cost and it isn't like they're cheaper because the guy using it is worse off than someone else. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/710010/9057249.page"><b>Slayer-Fan123 wrote:</b></a><br/>I get the change to the Plasma Pistol, but why the Special Weapons? Those are the same universal cost and it isn't like they're cheaper because the guy using it is worse off than someone else. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I advocate that the price should take in consideration<br /> <br /> 1) the platform (its <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> and resilience, and how easy is to deliver)<br /> 2) which weapon they go to substitute.<br /> <br /> Concerning point (2), you pay 10 points to get a melta that upgrades a lasgun in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> veterans, and pay the same cost for a melta that updates an Hot-shot las for the Scions.<br /> Does not sound right to me.<br /> <br /> Also, aren't there new units that pay less for melee upgrades?<br /> <br /> <b>Still, I can happily backpedal on this, especially since for point (1) the scions have a decent deal.</b><br /> <br /> Let's see other comments, but I can modify the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(280);'>OP</span> (tracking changes) and follow the advice. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I amended the weapons, I left the change to the plasma pistol. <br /> <br /> Do you think the pricing of squads and taurox is fine? Should I modify some? ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Incursors seem really weak, losing ObSec for outflank seems like a bad trade-off. Infiltrators are probably going to be just as good at holding homing beacons too. What you could do is combine the benefits of infiltrators and incursors, letting them take outflanking transports (in case anyone forgot, infiltrate gives outflank by default). ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/9ebac0f92fd0ae82927a2b6c688e20a8.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/710010/9059643.page"><b>gnome_idea_what wrote:</b></a><br/>Incursors seem really weak, losing ObSec for outflank seems like a bad trade-off. Infiltrators are probably going to be just as good at holding homing beacons too. What you could do is combine the benefits of infiltrators and incursors, letting them take outflanking transports (in case anyone forgot, infiltrate gives outflank by default). </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You are completely right, they are  redundant.  I wanted to give them specialized roles, but this had the effect of over-specialize them (I was aware of the effect of infiltrate, but I admit split the rule in 2 roles in base of the transport is bad design). Furthermore, one of the few strenght of the army is the possibility to take multiple CADs of Objective Secured units plus their fast transports. <br /> <br /> I will merge Incursors and Inflitrators. Even better, I could use one of these solutions:<br /> <br /> <b>Solution A: </b> I will leave <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> and Platoon Troop as the only choices. Stormies lose Deep Strike by default and gain the <i><b>Mission</b></i> rule. Each <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(683);'>CAD</span> can, collectively, select its <i>Mission</i>, 5th edition style, and such Mission can be: (1) Deepstrike with rerolls (2) Infiltrate (so with Outflank) (3) Ride of the Valkyries (units embarked in Valks reroll their reserve rolls).<br /> <br /> <b>Solution B: </b> As Solution A, but on a per-unit basis: each unit in each <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(683);'>CAD</span> chooses the mission. Clunky? Is just the deployment mode, is easy to track.<br /> <br /> <b>Solution C: </b> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> style: keep as is, but add a <b><i>Reconnaissance</i></b> Formation for 2-4 infiltrators/incursors to give them Objective Secured.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Give them a bike/speeder option, as well as access to sentinels.  Maybe to Hellhounds and Wyverns.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/69e29545b305611dbbc9289610606b88.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/710010/9061302.page"><b>Stormonu wrote:</b></a><br/>Give them a bike/speeder option, as well as access to sentinels.  Maybe to Hellhounds and Wyverns.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I can see the sentinels, even drop sentinels, be in the "theme" of the army. Even the hellounds and variants.<br /> <br /> For Artillery, I think one should ally in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span>. Is really out of theme for Scions (but I completely see <b>WHY</b> you would ask for it).<br /> <br /> The bikes/speeders* would be really in theme, but I would stick to current options.... still I can think a bit about them, if you want to contribute with some bike idea, feel free. <br /> <br /> <br /> * the speeder is a call back from older <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span>, right? Like 2nd edition?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It doesn't even have to be a speeder, but a light, Fast Scout Vehicle would probably be in order, at the least.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The Tauros?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Something like that.  It looks fantastic, but will <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> allow Citadel to make it?<br /> <br /> (almost thought you were referencing the Taurox)<br /> <br /> Wasn't there one in the 3rd/4th Ed codex which was called the Salamander?  That could work, too.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I will have to dig the manuals but makes perfectly sense. Stay tuned, i will update the list ASAP.<br /> <br /> Also, I will try to design the bikers and call <i>THEM</i> incursors. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Why not instead of having 3 different units give generic scions scout (pseudo infiltrate and outflank) and the option to take sniper rifles and demo charges, while still having deepstrike. This means you have one flexible unit which can do all the roles you have 4 units for.<br /> <br /> Sensible?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/710010/9063051.page"><b>Taffy17 wrote:</b></a><br/>Why not instead of having 3 different units give generic scions scout (pseudo infiltrate and outflank) and the option to take sniper rifles and demo charges, while still having deepstrike. This means you have one flexible unit which can do all the roles you have 4 units for.<br /> <br /> Sensible?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Is what the proposed rule "Mission" is for. <br /> <br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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Solution A: I will leave <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> and Platoon Troop as the only choices. Stormies lose Deep Strike by default and gain the Mission rule. Each <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(683);'>CAD</span> can, collectively, select its Mission, 5th edition style, and such Mission can be: (1) Deepstrike with rerolls (2) Infiltrate (so with Outflank) (3) Ride of the Valkyries (units embarked in Valks reroll their reserve rolls), (4 - added now) the units gains access to demos and heavy flamers. <br /> <br /> Solution B: As Solution A, but on a per-unit basis: each unit in each <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(683);'>CAD</span> chooses the mission. Clunky? Is just the deployment mode, is easy to track.<br /> 
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</div><br /> <br /> Is good, but if I go that way i have to remove the Demo Charge unit because even if I limit to 1 charge per unit, you will have people spamming it (with allies <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> or another high-powered army) and deliver 6 S:8 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span>:2 plates for less than 500 points. <br /> <br /> So that unit option must be ditched or reworked. Possibly, limiting the use only if a Tempestus is the Warlord, and/or demo units lose deepstrike, so you have to load them in valks (made less heavy of a tax with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(14);'>BS</span> 4) to properly deliver.<br /> <br /> But focus on less units and more choice could be the way.<br /> <br /> <u><b>Keep going, people, lots of good insights. Thank you.. and give me more! </b></u> <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 7 Dec 2016 12:58:08]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I don't think heavy flankers really suit scions, I've never heard of any models not in power armour carry a heavy flamer.<br /> <br /> I think just give them the scout special rule on top of deepstrike. Infiltrates a bit much. Maybe scion vehicles could have scout as well. Free 12" move for taurox? Outflanking Valkyries?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think you're on the right track. Mission tactics is probably the way to go and have it on a platoon by platoon basis.have a choice of deepstrike, outflank, or scout(without outflank). Then you can build interesting synergies between basic platoons with a scout one to set up the drop zone, deepstrike to come in a clear, the outflank to close the net. I think move through cover should be standard on most units as well.<br /> <br /> Add in some cool army wide rule/detachment about selecting 3 units to arrive from reserve turn 1, 2 on turn 2 and 1 on turn three. How's you can't use reserve rolls for the first three turns if you pick that option. Represents a three wave drop with intial shock, second beach head, third clean up.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Heavy flamers can be taken by imperial guard vetrans <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(17);'>btw</span>.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ heres an idea, how about when deploying, having the ability to infiltrate half your units (rounding up) or T1 deepstrike half your units (rounding up). The rest of the army can deploy normally.<br /> <br /> I still think everyone should have scout as well as deepstrike though]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/710010/9063337.page"><b>Taffy17 wrote:</b></a><br/>heres an idea, how about when deploying, having the ability to infiltrate half your units (rounding up) or T1 deepstrike half your units (rounding up). The rest of the army can deploy normally.<br /> <br /> I still think everyone should have scout as well as deepstrike though</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> isn't that the Elysian Drop Troops trick? And <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> obviously, with pods.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 7 Dec 2016 18:25:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I am thinkering with options, probably I am close to the final draft.<br /> <br /> I was wondering: could be cool a special character? I was thinking about an intrepid commander one, no special stats, more training. More a Creed than a Straken, so to say.<br /> <br /> It would cost 30-50 points, normal stats, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> choice as an upgrade of the standard <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>. In his detachment, Junior officer can use senior orders. <br /> <br /> If is too strong, I could add a risk factor like if is killed 1 additional <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(140);'>VP</span> is awarded, or nearby squads must make a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>Ld</span> test.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 12 Dec 2016 17:15:45]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Since Scions are so dependent on reserves, a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(382);'>SC</span> with some sort of buff to reserves (my own custom <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(382);'>SC</span> has the 4th <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(227);'>WL</span> in the Scion 'dex, for example) would be a good way to represent that]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:13:28]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/41b56516a6ca6b1378486bbecba6d95c.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/710010/9073788.page"><b>Bobthehero wrote:</b></a><br/>Since Scions are so dependent on reserves, a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(382);'>SC</span> with some sort of buff to reserves (my own custom <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(382);'>SC</span> has the 4th <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(227);'>WL</span> in the Scion 'dex, for example) would be a good way to represent that</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well, many <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(382);'>SC</span> have a pre-rolled Warlord Trait, so it can be done I guess...  <img src="/s/i/a/3280d57d913d8178fb42a55db16d1e89.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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