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				<description><![CDATA[ -Infantry Squad (55pts)<br /> 9x Guardsman, Guardsman w/ Grenade Launcher<br /> -Sergeant<br /> Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol<br /> <br /> -Infantry Squad (55pts)<br /> 9x Guardsman, Guardsman w/ Grenade Launcher<br /> Combined Squad<br /> -Sergeant<br /> Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol<br /> <br /> Platoon Command Squad (46pts)<br /> -3x Guardsman w/ Sniper Rifle<br /> -Guardsman w/ Platoon Standard<br /> Lasgun<br /> -Platoon Commander<br /> Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol, Orders<br /> <br /> Scout Sentinel Squadron (70pts)<br /> -Scout Sentinel x2<br /> Multi-lasers<br /> <br /> -Leman Russ Tank (175pts)<br /> 2x Heavy Bolter, Dozer Blade, Heavy Bolter<br /> <br /> -Chaos Lord (100pts)<br /> Combi-flamer, Power Armour, Power Fist, Warlord<br /> <br /> -Chaos Terminators ×4 + Terminator Champion (206pts)<br /> Combi-Bolter x3, Lightning Claw x4, Combi-melta, Combi-flamer, Chainfist, Combi Bolter<br /> <br /> Chaos Space Marines x8 + Aspiring Champion (163pts)<br /> - Boltgun x6, Flamer, 1 Swap Boltgun with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(20);'>CCW</span>, 3x Take <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(20);'>CCW</span><br /> -Aspiring Champion<br /> Boltgun, Power Fist<br /> <br /> Chaos Space Marines x8 + Aspiring Champion (163pts)<br /> - Boltgun x6, Flamer, 1 Swap Boltgun with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(20);'>CCW</span>, 3x Take <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(20);'>CCW</span><br /> -Aspiring Champion<br /> Boltgun, Power Fist<br /> <br /> Raptors (110pts)<br /> -Flamer, Meltagun, 2x bolters<br /> -Raptor Champion<br /> Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon<br /> <br /> Havocs x9 + Aspiring Champion (280pts)<br /> -Autocannon, 2x Heavy Bolter, 4x Lascannon, Missile Launcher, Plasma Gun<br /> -Aspiring Champion<br /> Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon<br /> (I bought 5 Havocs (4 + <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>), and a guy gave me 4 spare <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> heavies I converted. So I just threw them in this list.)<br /> <br /> Hey, long time lurker first time poster. Pulling out my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> (Iron Warriors) and Traitor Guard army from a dusty shelf after <br /> a year and a half, trying to re-familiarize myself with my list.<br /> Currently at 1423 points; bought things I find aesthetically pleasing, and used a lot of secondhand stuff I got for cheap... just because I really enjoy the painting, had some old imperial guardsmen and don't really have a group to play with anyways.<br /> But, nonetheless, curious of where I could go with this list to make it more competitive and finish it up to 1850.<br /> More Chaos Marines? Transports? Also haven't chosen a mark for my guys.<br /> What do we think? Where would you go with this?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 5 Dec 2016 21:32:00]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<title>Re:[1423] - CSM &amp; Traitor Guard</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Not trying to rag on you, and I could be wrong, but I think according to forums rules you cannot list pts next to each character it has to be in totals... due to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> Copyright.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Not trying to rag on you, and I could be wrong, but I think according to forums rules you cannot list pts next to each character it has to be in totals... due to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> Copyright.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 5 Dec 2016 22:13:36]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Snoopdeville3]]></author>
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				<title>Re:[1423] - CSM &amp; Traitor Guard</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ no you're right, thanks, fixed it. So in response to the army list, any thoughts?<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/30dff37e18ecf1bf6b0854e086e595c4.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/710171/9059838.page"><b>Snoopdeville3 wrote:</b></a><br/>Not trying to rag on you, and I could be wrong, but I think according to forums rules you cannot list pts next to each character it has to be in totals... due to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> Copyright.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Not trying to rag on you, and I could be wrong, but I think according to forums rules you cannot list pts next to each character it has to be in totals... due to <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(50);'>GW</span> Copyright.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> you're right, fixed it. any thoughts on the army though???]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 5 Dec 2016 22:57:08]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ jastinmac]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ So couple things.<br /> <br /> I assume you may have started this in 6ed when <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> were allies of convenience?  Imperial Guard and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> are now come the apocalypse allies.  Technically legal build but many events disallow come the apocalpypse allies. <br /> <br /> The good news is Forgeworld created a Renegade Guard army list so you can still create a legal army.  A better one really since they are battle brothers, have more efficient rules than <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> and have more chaos flavor.  The bad news is you gotta track down a copy of those rules.  <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> side you have a fairly generic set of units here.  The good news is you have the makings of a Chaos Warband Formation which is the basic building block of some new detachments in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> supplement Traitor Legions.  Bad news is that's a whole nother book to track down.<br /> <br /> The havoc squad is illegal.  You can only have 4 heavy weapons in the squad.  So will need to create some nnew havoc squads for them or get the troop <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> to 10 man sized so they can take the heavy.<br /> <br /> Other than that its hard to help you without knowing the flavor of chaos you like and what type of list you are going for.  Right now you lack the kind of teeth most competitive lists have and it would probably require dropping many of he things listed here for things that will work well in a tournament.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 6 Dec 2016 03:47:57]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ winterman]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ @winterman : ah yes. it's all coming together now. I thought I was creating something unique and special, and along comes <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(39);'>FW</span> to steal my thunder.<br /> As for the Havocs, I figured as much. They were free models, no biggie.<br /> As for the mark, I'm going to read the iron warriors omnibus so I guess I'll see if something in there inspires me.<br /> RAHHHHHHHHH CHAOS etc etc<br /> I'<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(425);'>LL</span> KILL YOU SPESS MAHRIN]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 8 Dec 2016 01:58:34]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ jastinmac]]></author>
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