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Now I am coming back to the game and the choices seemed to have doubled. I am torn between so many things. Thousand Sons look awesome. Mechanicus looks awesome. Genesteelers looks awesome. I just cant decide what I want to focus on. I need to be sold on an army. Any army. Please help Dakka.
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Or, just sink thousands of dollars I to two or three armies...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9077046.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9077046.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now. Find what's most important to you and pick based on that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9077662.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9077662.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
If the rumor mongers are correct and there is a new edition in the next 18 months, then rules/power/meta may go right out the window anyway.

What figures do you feel comfortable spending a hundred hours painting/assembling?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9077685.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9077685.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
In truth, I don't think things have been this positive for the game since mid 3rd-edition! There's some stupidly broken stuff out there, but the wealth of options has undergone a quantum surge for the average gamer, and the mid-tier level of the game is amazingly rich and diverse ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9077706.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9077706.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9077732.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9077732.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
 Sachamo wrote:
Last time I played was when the Dark Angel Codex had come out and I had a foot slogging terminator armor under Belial.

Now I am coming back to the game and the choices seemed to have doubled. I am torn between so many things. Thousand Sons look awesome. Mechanicus looks awesome. Genesteelers looks awesome. I just cant decide what I want to focus on. I need to be sold on an army. Any army. Please help Dakka.


GeneStealer Cult has been hailed by those new players who grasp it as being extremely fun. I have yet to fight against it sadly but my friend is number one Genestealer player in the ITC by last check and he's obviously enjoying it. Thousnad Sons still looks awfully suspect to me, but I played against Magnus the Red and he is FOR REAL. He is an awesome threat. The army I faced was three Daemon Princes, Magnus the Red, 20 Cultists and a Terminator Sorcerer. So its also an extremely economical army to build relatively speaking. If that is important to you, you can do a damn sight worse. it was a mind blowing blizzard of Psyker energies being released, right there and the Mind Siphon power or whateverr its called makes it even more impressive.

Mechanicum is a very attractive model range. A lot of painting. So depends on how you go into it, but as "easy" armies to start with, its probably not on the list. Butthe War Convocation is one of the most powerful builds in Warhammer 40,000 and a version of that idea took second place at the Bay Area Open this year (about 200 players).

If you want it to be cheaper to start, go the Magnus route. He can REALLY bring it with his flying buddies. If you want a painting challenge and something that looks uber when its done right, Mechanicum is pretty boss. If you want a more free whjeeling, sneaky, deployment shenanigan type of force (more my speed) then Genestealers would definitely be fun by all accounts, as well as effective.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9077987.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9077987.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
 Jancoran wrote:
Thousnad Sons still looks awfully suspect to me, but I played against Magnus the Red and he is FOR REAL. He is an awesome threat. The army I faced was three Daemon Princes, Magnus the Red, 20 Cultists and a Terminator Sorcerer. .


Was that a 1500 pt game? If so Magnus is like half that army, so your opponent was really taking a gamble he didn't die]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078007.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078007.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
 TheLumberJack wrote:
 Jancoran wrote:
Thousnad Sons still looks awfully suspect to me, but I played against Magnus the Red and he is FOR REAL. He is an awesome threat. The army I faced was three Daemon Princes, Magnus the Red, 20 Cultists and a Terminator Sorcerer. .


Was that a 1500 pt game? If so Magnus is like half that army, so your opponent was really taking a gamble he didn't die


1850. And Magnus was a beast.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078067.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078067.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
 Jancoran wrote:
 TheLumberJack wrote:
 Jancoran wrote:
Thousnad Sons still looks awfully suspect to me, but I played against Magnus the Red and he is FOR REAL. He is an awesome threat. The army I faced was three Daemon Princes, Magnus the Red, 20 Cultists and a Terminator Sorcerer. .


Was that a 1500 pt game? If so Magnus is like half that army, so your opponent was really taking a gamble he didn't die


1850. And Magnus was a beast.


I imagine hes a monster but it still sounds like a huge point sink. What army were you? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078074.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078074.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
 TheLumberJack wrote:
 Jancoran wrote:
 TheLumberJack wrote:
 Jancoran wrote:
Thousnad Sons still looks awfully suspect to me, but I played against Magnus the Red and he is FOR REAL. He is an awesome threat. The army I faced was three Daemon Princes, Magnus the Red, 20 Cultists and a Terminator Sorcerer. .


Was that a 1500 pt game? If so Magnus is like half that army, so your opponent was really taking a gamble he didn't die


1850. And Magnus was a beast.


I imagine hes a monster but it still sounds like a huge point sink. What army were you?


Tau Empire.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078077.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078077.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
 Jancoran wrote:
 TheLumberJack wrote:
 Jancoran wrote:
 TheLumberJack wrote:
 Jancoran wrote:
Thousnad Sons still looks awfully suspect to me, but I played against Magnus the Red and he is FOR REAL. He is an awesome threat. The army I faced was three Daemon Princes, Magnus the Red, 20 Cultists and a Terminator Sorcerer. .


Was that a 1500 pt game? If so Magnus is like half that army, so your opponent was really taking a gamble he didn't die


1850. And Magnus was a beast.


I imagine hes a monster but it still sounds like a huge point sink. What army were you?


Tau Empire.


Did you win or lose? You could've really laid some smackdown on the princes or on Magnus with railguns and SMS and the like. And considering 4/5 of the army was in 4 models, you doing damage to Magnus or the princes would have been a massive loss for your opponent]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078091.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078091.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now. Lol.

Now to be fair, the general is quite good anyways but no. I brought a Surge, an Optimized Stealth Cadre, deep striking Crisis objective stealers and Riptides.

Even had anti-air on the Surge and one Ghostkeel. Didn't matter. I eventually grounded Magnus and charged withthe StormSurge, hoping to stomp Magnus out, which you can do but when you're fishing for 6's, it is what it is. Had i stomped Magnus out the game would have been over. Didn't. Got smashed.

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I'm pretty interested how the new Tzeentch table plays!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078221.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078221.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
Some forces will deal well with him if they have anti-air, for as long as they have it. But his saves are SO good. if he took a Grimoire to keep from falling from the sky, it would be even more discouraging.

its only one game but I can see clearly that Magnus is rising. You will be seeing him.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078229.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078229.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
 Jancoran wrote:
My point was simply that Magnus has more than impressed me enough to suggest people take him. His saves are essntially T7 with a 3+ invul most rounds, re-rolling 1's. so effectively he has better than a 2+ save functionally on T7. Couple this with flight. It makes for a long day at the office against him. He can be killed. It just takes an enormous amount of effort.

Some forces will deal well with him if they have anti-air, for as long as they have it. But his saves are SO good. if he took a Grimoire to keep from falling from the sky, it would be even more discouraging.

its only one game but I can see clearly that Magnus is rising. You will be seeing him.


The biggest counter to him in that case would just be to play smaller games. He is such a big point sink in smaller games that he won't be worth it]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078236.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078236.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078239.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078239.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
 TheLumberJack wrote:
 Jancoran wrote:
My point was simply that Magnus has more than impressed me enough to suggest people take him. His saves are essntially T7 with a 3+ invul most rounds, re-rolling 1's. so effectively he has better than a 2+ save functionally on T7. Couple this with flight. It makes for a long day at the office against him. He can be killed. It just takes an enormous amount of effort.

Some forces will deal well with him if they have anti-air, for as long as they have it. But his saves are SO good. if he took a Grimoire to keep from falling from the sky, it would be even more discouraging.

its only one game but I can see clearly that Magnus is rising. You will be seeing him.


The biggest counter to him in that case would just be to play smaller games. He is such a big point sink in smaller games that he won't be worth it


Thats not a counter. Thats hiding from it. Lol.

No that's not going to work if you are an ITC competitor like myself. Adapt and overcome is the mantra of anyone who wants to play competitively but I was more addresssing the value of the choice if someone was considering a Thousand Sons army. He's quite good.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078270.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078270.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
 Jancoran wrote:
I was more addresssing the value of the choice if someone was considering a Thousand Sons army. He's quite good.
He's probably the best anti-AV available for the points.

I was looking at full Lascannon Predator squadrons (for Monster Hunter/Tank Hunter) and Magnus is already fairly close in cost, 420pts to 650pts. No question who wins on flexibility and survivability. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078281.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078281.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
Magnus is an entirely different creature though. Destroying him in comparison is worlds apart in difficulty.

Magnus underscores the value of taking my Sisters Repentia along. They can wipe Magnus. if he's knocked to the ground (which means he probably has two wounds on him at that point). We can slip 5 wounds in on him eventually methinks, and his 7 attacks won't hurt me much. We would average 10 wounds before saves just with the Sisters Repentia. He'd fail on 1 or two, re-rolling 1's... So... 1.67 + .56 = 2.25 wounds on the charge. He'd be ground bound and a lot of his powers would be silenced. all good things for me! So chase him around the board with repentias and keep shooting til he falls. Basically. it's not sexy but it works. use the Adamantium Will thing to as much advantage as possible.

Oh if only Sisters had an anti-air unit or mode the Exorcist could fire in. ah well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078307.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078307.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
That's an if I'm never willing to count on. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078311.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078311.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
Martel732 wrote:
" if he's knocked to the ground"

That's an if I'm never willing to count on.


Nor should you. However...what choice do you REALLY have?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078319.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078319.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now. BA shooting at flyrants. There is a point in BA face-raping all his ground units so he has to land or stop being able to score. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078325.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078325.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
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Martel732 wrote:
Just endure his wrath and kill everything else. Just like I do to flyrants. There is no point in BA shooting at flyrants. There is a point in BA face-raping all his ground units so he has to land or stop being able to score.


You werent really paying attention though. i said his army was three Winged princes and Magnus. the 20 Cultists reserved and waited for the blood rogy to be in full swing before showing up and his sorcerer just alighted to the ground and joined them later.

Honestly when there are only skyborne targets, why would you not shoot at Magnus? Answer: You would. Ergo my entirely rhetorical question: What choice have you? None. He forces the issue and thats part of his genius. =)

Now if Magnus takes ground bound sorcerers for his Formation instead, then you have a point. but...why would he ever?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078341.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078341.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now. FMCs are dumb. It's not genius. It's obvious exploitation of a group of undercosted units. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078346.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078346.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
Martel732 wrote:
Ah. Pure flyers. Maybe I'd shoot the ones with weaker saves to reduce the warp charges. Gah, FMCs are dumb. It's not genius. It's obvious exploitation of a group of undercosted units.


they cost over 300 points. Level 3 Psykers with Tzeentch madness. I havent done the math but thats not cheap and not better than the 300 point wraithknight. so i have a hard time callingthem undercosted. hehehe.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078351.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078351.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
 Jancoran wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
Ah. Pure flyers. Maybe I'd shoot the ones with weaker saves to reduce the warp charges. Gah, FMCs are dumb. It's not genius. It's obvious exploitation of a group of undercosted units.


they cost over 300 points. Level 3 Psykers with Tzeentch madness. I havent done the math but thats not cheap and not better than the 300 point wraithknight. so i have a hard time callingthem undercosted. hehehe.


Just because they aren't AS undercosted as the WK, doesn't mean they aren't undercosted. Flying MCs, like ground MCs, have a plethora of advantages over their vehicle counterparts that is not properly reflected in their price. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078380.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078380.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
Martel732 wrote:
 Jancoran wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
Ah. Pure flyers. Maybe I'd shoot the ones with weaker saves to reduce the warp charges. Gah, FMCs are dumb. It's not genius. It's obvious exploitation of a group of undercosted units.


they cost over 300 points. Level 3 Psykers with Tzeentch madness. I havent done the math but thats not cheap and not better than the 300 point wraithknight. so i have a hard time callingthem undercosted. hehehe.


Just because they aren't AS undercosted as the WK, doesn't mean they aren't undercosted. Flying MCs, like ground MCs, have a plethora of advantages over their vehicle counterparts that is not properly reflected in their price.


Gonna have to go with Martel here, it is pretty silly once you start taking multiple princes.

OT: Go with what intrigues you. If you love TS then freakin go for them!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078439.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078439.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now. FAQs, the stormraven is now 200 pts of flying junk. And then Magnus happened. Feth GW. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078443.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078443.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
 gummyofallbears wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
 Jancoran wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
Ah. Pure flyers. Maybe I'd shoot the ones with weaker saves to reduce the warp charges. Gah, FMCs are dumb. It's not genius. It's obvious exploitation of a group of undercosted units.


they cost over 300 points. Level 3 Psykers with Tzeentch madness. I havent done the math but thats not cheap and not better than the 300 point wraithknight. so i have a hard time callingthem undercosted. hehehe.


Just because they aren't AS undercosted as the WK, doesn't mean they aren't undercosted. Flying MCs, like ground MCs, have a plethora of advantages over their vehicle counterparts that is not properly reflected in their price.


Gonna have to go with Martel here, it is pretty silly once you start taking multiple princes.

OT: Go with what intrigues you. If you love TS then freakin go for them!


I fought it. It was only three princes and Magnus...and some stuff, But it was still very impressive.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078464.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078464.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
 Jancoran wrote:
 gummyofallbears wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
 Jancoran wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
Ah. Pure flyers. Maybe I'd shoot the ones with weaker saves to reduce the warp charges. Gah, FMCs are dumb. It's not genius. It's obvious exploitation of a group of undercosted units.


they cost over 300 points. Level 3 Psykers with Tzeentch madness. I havent done the math but thats not cheap and not better than the 300 point wraithknight. so i have a hard time callingthem undercosted. hehehe.


Just because they aren't AS undercosted as the WK, doesn't mean they aren't undercosted. Flying MCs, like ground MCs, have a plethora of advantages over their vehicle counterparts that is not properly reflected in their price.


Gonna have to go with Martel here, it is pretty silly once you start taking multiple princes.

OT: Go with what intrigues you. If you love TS then freakin go for them!


I fought it. It was only three princes and Magnus...and some stuff, But it was still very impressive.


Because all those FMCs are undercosted. It's easy to be impressive when someone is basically cheating. Ie, they are getting to put extra functional value on the table without paying for it. Just as WKs and scatbikes are basically cheating as well. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078469.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078469.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078474.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078474.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now. GWs inability to do math or properly cost obviously powerful units is giving some factions huge advantages on the tabletop. So it's a form of implicit cheating, but the responsibility does not lie with the player. Basically GW is building cheating into their game without anyone's consent. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078480.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078480.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now.
 Jancoran wrote:
Oh my God. Cheating? Seriously? Gimme a break,.


Don't bother, his bitterness towards MC knows no bounds]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078491.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078491.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078496.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078496.page GMT So I am coming back to the game and my god the choices now. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078566.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/711035/9078566.page GMT