<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "[1850] - Orks. Vs Guard - Ork unconventional list"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net [1850] - Orks. Vs Guard - Ork unconventional list exp in my coming back to 40k and this 7th edition I have come to realize that I love to play what most consider unconventional. I won my last game handily against another ork player who prefers the old boyz in trukks method. I have chosen fast, shooty and dead ard'! Here is my list against my next opponent , Astra militarum. He was quoted as saying that he would be bringing ignores cover templates, flamers etc after seeing my last battle,as well as my last two tournaments. He seems to think he has my number. I have seen him take many tanks before and imnterested to see what he brings. That being said I have a fun list I made that should definitely hurt when it gets stuck in. What do you guys think.

Double cad 1850 (1844)

Cad 1
HQ
Zhadsnark

Mega armor Mek killsaw and kff

Troops
7xBikers nob pk

3xBikers nob pk

11x Boys trukk nob klaw

Elites
6xManz in BW 1 pair saws. 2x skorchas bpole

3x Manz in trukk pair saws bpole

Grot tank mob. 3 tanks with kommanda. 4 grotzookas.

Fast
2x rokkit Koptas

2x rokkit koptas

2x rokkit koptas


HQ
Painboy bike
Painboy

Troops
3x bikers nob klaw
3x bikers nob klaw

So big bike squad with zhad and pain biker. Painboy on foot with megamek and manz in BW. Plan is to outflank koptas and possible Zhadsnark squad due to scout. My plan for keeping them alive from shooting during first turn. Hopefully they come in quickly. The trukk boys, manz missle, and manz star will flat up board with biker squads zooming around the table as mobile S5 TL shooting and potential to krump if the klaw survives. Koptas will come in and hopefully pop side or rear armor. Zhadsnark squad will eat infantry and vehicles alike. After many game with him I have found his init 4 Pk invaluable and giving his turbobossting squad 2+ cover about is sweet. This list has 16klaws, some killsaws, speed, TL shooting all over, and rokkits. Typica? no. Fun? should be

Thoughts?
Check out this batrep I saw where a manz squad cleaned house starting turn 2 and on. Look at about the 44th minute onward. I like this guys batreps
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cEieimBGW38
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As for the list, it is pretty conventional. It uses all of the best units in the Ork Codex. Personally I would drop the units of 2 koptas to single deffkoptas, and it might be worth you looking at the Bullyboyz formation if you like using Meganobz? I don't like them as much as other units, but they can work very well.


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Never played the grot tanks either, but I know Tankbustas are great in the same role?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/721197/9263239.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/721197/9263239.page GMT [1850] - Orks. Vs Guard - Ork unconventional list
 Sledgio wrote:
The zhadsnark rules are outdated, so it is vague as to whether it affects units in other detachments. Most people play as it does though.

As for the list, it is pretty conventional. It uses all of the best units in the Ork Codex. Personally I would drop the units of 2 koptas to single deffkoptas, and it might be worth you looking at the Bullyboyz formation if you like using Meganobz? I don't like them as much as other units, but they can work very well.


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Never played the grot tanks either, but I know Tankbustas are great in the same role?


It may be conventional elsewhere but not in my local meta where people use mostly boys in trukks.
The grot tanks are great for smoking infantry and I'm hoping to take out any bubble wrapped units he has leaving enough room for bikes to punch through his lines. The grotzookas shoot 2 small blast BS 3 S6 AP 5. So 8 small templates at 24 inch range plus there move ...so 30ish inch reach? From my experience with them they are usually ignored. The grot tanks also have a 5+ invuln against anything except ordinance, destroyer, or armor bane. I have found that the Tankbustas have the same problem as any other unit in trukks they get blown up and have to foot slog making them easy prey for shooting. I'd rather waaagh on 2 and charge some tougher units that survive the explosions. I would take the bully boys but it's super expensive and I don't have 15 meganobz. I have found that 2 koptas is much better at shooting than 1 (because there is two lol) and that if they fail morale they would fail it just the same if it was just one model. So 1 is not better. Ld 7 sucks not matter what. A 5 man unit would have slightly less chance of running if only one died but if the guard tanks shoot that well than why put all my eggs In one basket. I used to use 1 I have found two more reliable.
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TheunlikelyGamer wrote:
 Sledgio wrote:
The zhadsnark rules are outdated, so it is vague as to whether it affects units in other detachments. Most people play as it does though.

As for the list, it is pretty conventional. It uses all of the best units in the Ork Codex. Personally I would drop the units of 2 koptas to single deffkoptas, and it might be worth you looking at the Bullyboyz formation if you like using Meganobz? I don't like them as much as other units, but they can work very well.


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Never played the grot tanks either, but I know Tankbustas are great in the same role?


It may be conventional elsewhere but not in my local meta where people use mostly boys in trukks.
The grot tanks are great for smoking infantry and I'm hoping to take out any bubble wrapped units he has leaving enough room for bikes to punch through his lines. The grotzookas shoot 2 small blast BS 3 S6 AP 5. So 8 small templates at 24 inch range plus there move ...so 30ish inch reach? From my experience with them they are usually ignored. The grot tanks also have a 5+ invuln against anything except ordinance, destroyer, or armor bane. I have found that the Tankbustas have the same problem as any other unit in trukks they get blown up and have to foot slog making them easy prey for shooting. I'd rather waaagh on 2 and charge some tougher units that survive the explosions. I would take the bully boys but it's super expensive and I don't have 15 meganobz. I have found that 2 koptas is much better at shooting than 1 (because there is two lol) and that if they fail morale they would fail it just the same if it was just one model. So 1 is not better. Ld 7 sucks not matter what. A 5 man unit would have slightly less chance of running if only one died but if the guard tanks shoot that well than why put all my eggs In one basket. I used to use 1 I have found two more reliable.


Ah, I didn't realise the Grot Tanks had an anti-infantry role. How many points are they? I like taking Lobbas or other Mek Gunz for that, but I don't use FW. I wouldn't rely on them 'usually being ignored' as a strategy. What you say about single deffkoptas doesn't make any sense... If there is only one in a unit it won't need to make a leadership check due to casualties and therefore can't fail it lol? You make good points about Bullyboyz, I think it's too big a points sink too, but just thought I'd mention it. However, you complain constantly about Trukks blowing up and yet have one in your list? 1 is much more likely to be blown up than all ~10 if you have that many, which a lot of competitive lists do. Just my thoughts.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/721197/9263837.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/721197/9263837.page GMT Re:[1850] - Orks. Vs Guard - Ork unconventional list http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/721197/9263868.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/721197/9263868.page GMT Re:[1850] - Orks. Vs Guard - Ork unconventional list
graywater wrote:
Grotzookas are nice- i run them on my kans- but 1. They are only 18" range and 2. They struggle aginst adequately spaced models. If done right, you should only be hitting a maximum of 2 per shot bar some ideal scattering.


I guess this will depend on if he takes conscripts or guardsman for a screen and how he spaces them. Guardsman are T3 and usually a 5+ sv? My bikes can do some shooting too at S5. I suppose I could take some kommandos with Burna and klaw to take out either infantry or vehicles. Maybe infiltrate them and force my opponent to choose shooting them or my other units.if a unit is forced to deal with my kommandos by either shooting or assaulting them that will free up my other units and give them some breathing room]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/721197/9263900.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/721197/9263900.page GMT [1850] - Orks. Vs Guard - Ork unconventional list Don't rockit them forward but use them as a mobile rockit platform on 2nd line.

I personally never leave withouth them. The more rockits, the better IMO ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/721197/9264630.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/721197/9264630.page GMT [1850] - Orks. Vs Guard - Ork unconventional list http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/721197/9265828.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/721197/9265828.page GMT [1850] - Orks. Vs Guard - Ork unconventional list tbh. You'd have more success with warbuggies equipped with skorchas]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/721197/9266075.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/721197/9266075.page GMT [1850] - Orks. Vs Guard - Ork unconventional list http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/721197/9266634.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/721197/9266634.page GMT