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Email from GW wrote:
Missed out on getting a copy of Indomitus this weekend? Don't worry, we've got you covered.

Due to unprecedented demand, Indomitus sold out online in minutes – but we don't want anyone to miss out, so today we’re going to make Indomitus available as a Made to Order item.

If you missed out and still want one, you can order it right now. These will be limited to one per customer order, and they will arrive some time after July 25th (we're not quite sure when right now – we'll make them as fast as we can!).

Link: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/13/missed-indomitus-well-make-you-one/

My bet is that they were not expecting quite the demand they got, so weren't prepared for the weekend sell-out to be as fast as it was (or, more cynically, weren't prepared for the internet outcry to be as bad as it was).

As a result, they've probably had some intense meetings today deciding how to approach the issue, and landed on making it a Made-To-Order box.

Pure speculation on the reasoning, but ultimately if you want Indomitus... you can now get it at retail (if somewhat delayed). ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864366.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864366.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item WarCom article


Missed Indomitus? We’ll make you one!

As we’re sure you noticed, the Indomitus launch set for the new edition of Warhammer 40,000 sold out incredibly fast online this weekend.

On the one hand, that’s really exciting news for Warhammer 40,000 fans everywhere! It’s amazing to be part of such a passionate and engaged worldwide community. As Warhammer goes from strength to strength, it means there are more games to be played, new friends to be made and more memories to be created.

On the other, we’ve heard quite a few of you had a frantic weekend of trying to secure yourself a copy – that wasn’t the plan, and we’re going to put it right.

So, What’s Happening?
Well, Warhammer is growing so fast, sometimes it takes even us by surprise. When we said we made loads of this set, we weren’t kidding – there were way more Indomitus launch boxes made than any other box set in the history of Warhammer, and not by a small margin! The copies we had reserved for the online store sold out in minutes.

Thankfully, that wasn’t all of them – all those copies in our online store were just part of the Indomitus story. Right now, there are loads of copies making their way to Warhammer shops and independent stockists around the world (more on this later). Even so, we want to make doubly sure everyone has the chance to get their hands on an Indomitus set of their own. We made it to celebrate the new edition, and what’s a celebration without everyone getting involved?! And so…

Made to Order

Here’s what we’re going to do:

Today, we’re going to be making Indomitus available as a Made to Order item for a limited time. If you missed out on the pre-order and/or aren’t able to make it to a store for launch day, you’ll still be able to secure a copy.

These will be limited to one per customer order, and we will be making them as fast as we can. We don’t have an exact delivery date just now, but it might be up to 120 days before you receive your copy.

The way it will work is simple:

1 – Place your order on games-workshop.com

2 – The noble adepts in the Games Workshop factory will make you your very own Indomitus set.

3 – Once your Indomitus set is ready, we’ll send it out to you.

Bear In Mind…
If you want a copy of Indomitus for the official launch date of the 25th July, your best bet is to check with your local Warhammer shop or friendly local Warhammer stockist and see if they have one for you. There are literally tens of thousands of Indomitus boxes being shipped to stores around the world right now, and supporting your local store is a great way to help the Warhammer community in your area.
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Happened exactly the same with Sisters boxed set]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864374.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864374.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
On the other hand, it really does feed into the idea that allocations to distributors and FLGS's were cut in order to feed traffic through the GW webstore in order for GW to capture more sales at full retail price.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864378.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864378.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
but it might be up to 120 days before you receive your copy.


As many suspected - its pretty hard to just create more boxes out of thin air.


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 Vaktathi wrote:
On the one hand, for the people that missed it, that's great.

On the other hand, it really does feed into the idea that allocations to distributors and FLGS's were cut in order to feed traffic through the GW webstore in order for GW to capture more sales at full retail price.



Or


Bear In Mind…
If you want a copy of Indomitus for the official launch date of the 25th July, your best bet is to check with your local Warhammer shop or friendly local Warhammer stockist and see if they have one for you. There are literally tens of thousands of Indomitus boxes being shipped to stores around the world right now, and supporting your local store is a great way to help the Warhammer community in your area.
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Sure glad that more people are able to get these models now at a great price.

I hope some of those who were expressing their anger in the other thread about the box get some positivity for the company back by this action.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864391.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864391.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item


This sounds like GW really did get caught unawares or at least had way more demand than they estimated. Short term print on demand at this date with a 120 turn around (Which means stuff ordered from China); coupled to them pulling their weekend release news article yesterday means that they are likely all putting this into plan today.

Ergo that it wasn't pre-planned that it was going to go on made-to-order and is instead a reaction to the sales and customer feedback. A great thing all told]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864397.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Vaktathi wrote:
On the one hand, for the people that missed it, that's great.

On the other hand, it really does feed into the idea that allocations to distributors and FLGS's were cut in order to feed traffic through the GW webstore in order for GW to capture more sales at full retail price.


Meh. Distributors are a joke anyways. They're effectively nothing more than speculators when it comes to handling GW products.

The idea that independents(because I refuse to use the term "FLGS" as shorthand for these shops) had their orders cut to feed traffic into the GW webstore is...yeah. That's tinfoil hat territory. Some independents got greedy and saw their numbers cut. 200+ copies is absurd for any one shop to get for just themselves and speaks to some serious nonsense going on with regards to a brick and mortar site selling online more than they do as a brick and mortar location.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864400.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864400.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
Apparently Ireland and France got gak all of them but there were no limits on what some stores could order, so a few shops in my country bought most of the gak all that were available..

I think this is likely part of a strategy to cut out the FLGS as much as possible and get as many customers ordering directly as possible.

#New40k sure is cut-throat...

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Good move. And seems retailers get access too if they ask, given Alchemists Workshop has been selling more today. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864402.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864402.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item GW on correcting this massive oversight and I think this is what they should be doing here on out for these exclusive times box sets. They certaintly wont lose money doing so. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864416.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864416.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
a_typical_hero wrote:
"Everyone who wants a box will be able to get one".

Sure glad that more people are able to get these models now at a great price.

I hope some of those who were expressing their anger in the other thread about the box get some positivity for the company back by this action.

They will not. They'll claim some of it today, then find something else to latch on to.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864418.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864418.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
On the one hand, for the people that missed it, that's great.

On the other hand, it really does feed into the idea that allocations to distributors and FLGS's were cut in order to feed traffic through the GW webstore in order for GW to capture more sales at full retail price.


Meh. Distributors are a joke anyways. They're effectively nothing more than speculators when it comes to handling GW products.

The idea that independents(because I refuse to use the term "FLGS" as shorthand for these shops) had their orders cut to feed traffic into the GW webstore is...yeah. That's tinfoil hat territory. Some independents got greedy and saw their numbers cut. 200+ copies is absurd for any one shop to get for just themselves and speaks to some serious nonsense going on with regards to a brick and mortar site selling online more than they do as a brick and mortar location.


It's absurd that people selling GW product wanted to sell GW product.

Ok, whatever fits your little purity test dude.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864422.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864422.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864428.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864428.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 ScarletRose wrote:

It's absurd that people selling GW product wanted to sell GW product.

Ok, whatever fits your little purity test dude.

Yeah no. It's absurd that people that are getting the discounts that are supposed to be for brick and mortar shops which actually support communities are primarily selling online.

A shop the size of my local comic shop should not be seeing 200+ copies of a $199 box. There is no way, shape, or form where that makes any kind of sense unless they are overordering to take advantage of selling via another avenue.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864432.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864432.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864437.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864437.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864439.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864439.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Kanluwen wrote:

A shop the size of my local comic shop should not be seeing 200+ copies of a $199 box. There is no way, shape, or form where that makes any kind of sense unless they are overordering to take advantage of selling via another avenue.



With the way the highstreet is these days a lot of stores are now selling online. Corona has likely seen many see a surge in online ordering and with the local store shut more might have focused on some online marketing to get more customers. So chances are whilst you might not have 200 physical customers (nor even 100); the store might well have a greater outreach. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864440.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864440.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Vaktathi wrote:
On the one hand, for the people that missed it, that's great.

On the other hand, it really does feed into the idea that allocations to distributors and FLGS's were cut in order to feed traffic through the GW webstore in order for GW to capture more sales at full retail price.


Eh. They're pushing independent stores as the 'best bet' and call out supporting local stores. [Personally, I'd definitely hit up the local and not-so-local stores rather than put money into 'maybe four months']

And truthfully, the order window directly from GW was very short. If they were trying to 'capture more sales,' they did a terrible job.


This isn't perfect, but it deals with the majority of the issues.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864442.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864442.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
On the one hand, for the people that missed it, that's great.

On the other hand, it really does feed into the idea that allocations to distributors and FLGS's were cut in order to feed traffic through the GW webstore in order for GW to capture more sales at full retail price.


Meh. Distributors are a joke anyways. They're effectively nothing more than speculators when it comes to handling GW products.

The idea that independents(because I refuse to use the term "FLGS" as shorthand for these shops) had their orders cut to feed traffic into the GW webstore is...yeah. That's tinfoil hat territory.
Eh, perhaps, wouldn't be the first time GW has done something in that general vein, and this is the same company that basically told everyone on the internet that nobody else can sell their stuff online through a webstore with a shopping cart or using GW marketing art/box designs for online sales purposes.

Distributors however are there for stores that can't afford to invest in a five digit investment in GW product across and don't want to carry every game/faction but want a few dozen of the most popular 40k kits in the store.

Some independents got greedy and saw their numbers cut. 200+ copies is absurd for any one shop to get for just themselves and speaks to some serious nonsense going on with regards to a brick and mortar site selling online more than they do as a brick and mortar location.
Many brick and mortars only survive by having a significant online presence, in fact that's a key part of how most of the successful ones stay in business as long as they do (especially now these days) and is an essential diversification strategy, and I'd consider any store that doesn't to be critically mismanaged.

Voss wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
On the one hand, for the people that missed it, that's great.

On the other hand, it really does feed into the idea that allocations to distributors and FLGS's were cut in order to feed traffic through the GW webstore in order for GW to capture more sales at full retail price.


Eh. They're pushing independent stores as the 'best bet' and call out supporting local stores. [Personally, I'd definitely hit up the local and not-so-local stores rather than put money into 'maybe four months']

And truthfully, the order window directly from GW was very short. If they were trying to 'capture more sales,' they did a terrible job.


This isn't perfect, but it deals with the majority of the issues.
I hope it does, the wait is definitely an issue, though also with no events going on and everyone stuck at home, might not be such a huge deal either ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864443.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864443.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Haasbioroid wrote:
The scalpers already made there money off of it.



In 48 hours, off products that haven't even left the distribution centers yet?
I'm a cynical person, but people who'd go to scalpers without even trying other retail outlets shouldn't be trusted with a fork, lest they do irreparable damage to themselves. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864446.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864446.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Haasbioroid wrote:
The scalpers already made there money off of it.


If they did, they did money off stupid rushing people. No harm done]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864455.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864455.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Kithail wrote:
 Haasbioroid wrote:
The scalpers already made there money off of it.


If they did, they did money off stupid rushing people. No harm done


There was an ebay scalper that had 50+ all sold Saturday night at 350.00 a pop. So ya, they got their money already.

Now those that hit them up, are probably feeling real bad right now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864464.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864464.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Kithail wrote:
 Haasbioroid wrote:
The scalpers already made there money off of it.


If they did, they did money off stupid rushing people. No harm done

Well no, if they have made their money back then it would reinforce the idea that they can scalp and make a profit even when GW do extend the printrun.

If they weren't able to sell their scalped product (or if it took long enough for them to get their return) and they end up losing money, they might be a little more cautious on the next big box release, and that would just be to the benefit of everyone else.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864468.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864468.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
Ive even put some petrol in the car in prep for the drive to collect as the twenty quids worth I put in around middle of March got down to one blip today]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864473.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864473.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864483.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864483.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Kanluwen wrote:

Meh. Distributors are a joke anyways. They're effectively nothing more than speculators when it comes to handling GW products.

The idea that independents(because I refuse to use the term "FLGS" as shorthand for these shops) had their orders cut to feed traffic into the GW webstore is...yeah. That's tinfoil hat territory. Some independents got greedy and saw their numbers cut. 200+ copies is absurd for any one shop to get for just themselves and speaks to some serious nonsense going on with regards to a brick and mortar site selling online more than they do as a brick and mortar location.

How is it tinfoil hat, when whole countries couldn't order the boxs or got them in laughable numbers comparing to the 45 or more units, stores in US and UK got? GW was clearly priortising those markets over others. And of course GW would rather have people buy the models from them online at full price, rather then GW making the money stores pay them for the boxs.


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 Knockagh wrote:
Hahahahah this is hilarious after reading all the rage over the last few days! Brilliant

yeah. now you can wait up to 120 days for your box to start 9th ed. I get that in UK that was drowned in those boxs, this isn't a problem, in places where stores got 2 boxs per store or non, it is way different. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864484.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864484.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
Karol wrote:
yeah. now you can wait up to 120 days for your box to start 9th ed. I get that in UK that was drowned in those boxs, this isn't a problem, in places where stores got 2 boxs per store or non, it is way different.

You know the core rules are available for download now right, and that GW are selling the rulebook separately?

Yeah, Indomitus is great value for the minis and one good option to get started, but it's not impossible to play otherwise.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864496.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864496.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
Karol wrote:

yeah. now you can wait up to 120 days for your box to start 9th ed. I get that in UK that was drowned in those boxs, this isn't a problem, in places where stores got 2 boxs per store or non, it is way different.


This box has nothing to do with "starting 9th", with the exception of Necron players.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864502.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864502.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Haasbioroid wrote:
 Kithail wrote:
 Haasbioroid wrote:
The scalpers already made there money off of it.


If they did, they did money off stupid rushing people. No harm done


There was an ebay scalper that had 50+ all sold Saturday night at 350.00 a pop. So ya, they got their money already.

Now those that hit them up, are probably feeling real bad right now.


What they should do is cancel their orders.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864510.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864510.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Kanluwen wrote:
 ScarletRose wrote:

It's absurd that people selling GW product wanted to sell GW product.

Ok, whatever fits your little purity test dude.

Yeah no. It's absurd that people that are getting the discounts that are supposed to be for brick and mortar shops which actually support communities are primarily selling online.

A shop the size of my local comic shop should not be seeing 200+ copies of a $199 box. There is no way, shape, or form where that makes any kind of sense unless they are overordering to take advantage of selling via another avenue.


So it's fine for GW to sell to the masses worldwide via online, but not so fine when random shop does it? That your stance?



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ccs wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 ScarletRose wrote:

It's absurd that people selling GW product wanted to sell GW product.

Ok, whatever fits your little purity test dude.

Yeah no. It's absurd that people that are getting the discounts that are supposed to be for brick and mortar shops which actually support communities are primarily selling online.

A shop the size of my local comic shop should not be seeing 200+ copies of a $199 box. There is no way, shape, or form where that makes any kind of sense unless they are overordering to take advantage of selling via another avenue.


So it's fine for GW to sell to the masses worldwide via online, but not so fine when random shop does it? That your stance?

When random shop is supposed to follow certain rules with regards to their trade account and the discounts they receive, yet circumvents them by not actually taking the orders up front and expects GW to be able to fulfill an order that is equivalent to multiple other shops which are following the rules?

Yeah. That's my stance, chief.

Because let's remember that there was a shop the size of most small comic/hobby shops complaining that they wouldn't have Indomitus on their webstore "because they only were allocated 75% of their $30,000 Indomitus order", and it was all going to go to reservations.

$30,000 at 45% discount is around 274-275 sets.
75% of that is 205-206 sets.

That ain't logical.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864561.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864561.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 harlokin wrote:
Karol wrote:

yeah. now you can wait up to 120 days for your box to start 9th ed. I get that in UK that was drowned in those boxs, this isn't a problem, in places where stores got 2 boxs per store or non, it is way different.


This box has nothing to do with "starting 9th", with the exception of Necron players.


And I think the whole , this is not the real starter, argument, when there is no real starter and this is the start of an edition AND the rule book and a set of new models are in the box is odd to make.

Plus it doesn't matter that much. I mean how is being told that you can buy the box directly from GW, at the full GW price, and wait for months to get it, when your store is going bankrupt because a large part of their income are starter/ begin of th edition sets like this? I mean I guess it is good for GW and places where there are GW stores ,and where people play at homes and not at stores.

I mean this is clearly GW having financial loses, like many companies, thanks to the whole covid thing, and deciding that they would rather have people buy from them directly at full price then from FLGS. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864569.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864569.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
Karol wrote:
 harlokin wrote:
Karol wrote:

yeah. now you can wait up to 120 days for your box to start 9th ed. I get that in UK that was drowned in those boxs, this isn't a problem, in places where stores got 2 boxs per store or non, it is way different.


This box has nothing to do with "starting 9th", with the exception of Necron players.


And I think the whole , this is not the real starter, argument, when there is no real starter and this is the start of an edition AND the rule book and a set of new models are in the box is odd to make.


A significant portion of the player base (myself included) play neither Necrons nor Primaris, and so for them (and me) this box is largely irrelevant to the start of 9th edition.

I don't need a 'starter' anything for 9th, I just need the book.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864589.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864589.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
That said, after reading the community reaction (or, at least the vocal community online in FB groups, Reddit and here) I am kind of beside myself on the subject. There were lots of people that were sad because they missed out but didn't act like petulant children, and I truly hope they can get everything they wanted. then there were those that we're throwing in my eyes the online equivalent of a temper tantrum similar to the proverbial 3-year-old not getting a candy bar in line at the grocery store.

To those people, I hope this can change your position a bit. While GW is a company and is going to act in their best interest, the decision to stop production of other things in order to bring this back could not have been an easy one to make, as there are lots of other products on their website, a TON of them it seems, that are also currently out of stock and this will have ripple effects.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864620.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864620.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item Covid19 - I can understand the impact on logistics, etc., even with their lead times..but really...would it actually hurt to man-up and give a sincere apology as opposed to something which sounds quite flippant?

I secured a copy pre-order day but what a fething polava it was. Someone dropped a real bollock on this release.

I am glad they are doing this so people who missed out can get a copy but for the love of all heck cease these limited releases.

Please don't use racially charged political slang terms on Dakka]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864664.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864664.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Given the crazy times in which we are currently living - looking at you Covid19 - I can understand the impact on logistics, etc., even with their lead times..but really...would it actually hurt to man-up and give a sincere apology as opposed to something which sounds quite flippant?

I secured a copy pre-order day but what a fething polava it was. Someone dropped a real bollock on this release.

I am glad they are doing this so people who missed out can get a copy but for the love of all heck cease these limited releases.


As i say this please understand that it is an honest inquiry. (though a little hyperbolic to underscore a point)

What would an apology do, even if it were a mistake (and again, I am not entirely sure that it was a mistake, but accepting that)? Honestly, I cannot think for the life of me an apology from GW doing anything by incensing the community even further. GW has desperately little goodwill from the community from what I have seen, and It was pretty clear given the temper tantrums flying about (and not just here, but overall forms of social media I could see) that all an apology would do would be met with even more criticism. I would go so far as to say that I would have a hard time blaming them for just telling the community to go fly a kite. Now, obviously they can't do that, but I'll stand by my assertion that an apology would do nothing and this community (with the very few and rare exceptions) is the rough equivalent of "Karen" yelling at the dude at the ice cream store because he ran out of the mint chocolate chip.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864673.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864673.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
Seabass wrote:
 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Given the crazy times in which we are currently living - looking at you Covid19 - I can understand the impact on logistics, etc., even with their lead times..but really...would it actually hurt to man-up and give a sincere apology as opposed to something which sounds quite flippant?

I secured a copy pre-order day but what a fething polava it was. Someone dropped a real bollock on this release.

I am glad they are doing this so people who missed out can get a copy but for the love of all heck cease these limited releases.


As i say this please understand that it is an honest inquiry. (though a little hyperbolic to underscore a point)

What would an apology do, even if it were a mistake (and again, I am not entirely sure that it was a mistake, but accepting that)? Honestly, I cannot think for the life of me an apology from GW doing anything by incensing the community even further. GW has desperately little goodwill from the community from what I have seen, and It was pretty clear given the temper tantrums flying about (and not just here, but overall forms of social media I could see) that all an apology would do would be met with even more criticism. I would go so far as to say that I would have a hard time blaming them for just telling the community to go fly a kite. Now, obviously they can't do that, but I'll stand by my assertion that an apology would do nothing and this community (with the very few and rare exceptions) is the rough equivalent of "Karen" yelling at the dude at the ice cream store because he ran out of the mint chocolate chip.


No idea what 'Karen' is so let's just forget that right off the bat.

A sincere acknowlegement of a mistake can go some way to rectifying it, along with a proposal for remediating the situation is all the better. It is how adults behave.

If GW didn't just say 'oops, my bad, we will personally make you a box using Jes Goodwin's goo' would have been a better way to handle the debacle...but hey. As I said, these limited release fiascos need to stop.

A vitriolic outcry on social media? OK, join the righteously indignant masses.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864717.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864717.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Kanluwen wrote:
Meh. Distributors are a joke anyways. They're effectively nothing more than speculators when it comes to handling GW products.

The idea that independents(because I refuse to use the term "FLGS" as shorthand for these shops)
You hate non-GW gaming stores as well?

Wow...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864733.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864733.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item FLGS" as shorthand for these shops" means.

Friendly Local Gaming Shop is a personal opinion. Simply calling them "LGS" or "Independent" doesn't automatically introduce another element to the potential arguments over the shops that the "Friendly" part can.

Nobody calls GW shops "FGWS". They're just "GW" or "GW shops".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864741.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864741.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
GW produced X amount of stock to feed anticipated demand - that choice was likely based on sale date PRE Corona at the start of the year or even further back.

Orders were placed months ago for the box stock and shipped to GW. Remember they will likely order and have stock arrive months before they need it directly; so we are likely going back to 2019 when they estimated sales volume.



No one had to make a mistake, no one has to be in the wrong. GW just didn't get the numbers right likely due to a whole rafter of factors including that right now many people are focusing on their GW hobby because they can't go out eating or go to the movies or play with their football team. So GW is likely seeing a sales surge beyond what they expected.


Apologies wouldn't really solve anything and GW has to be somewhat careful that they don't underplay their position to the point wherea segment of the community gets the idea that bullying and screaming would get them "what they want". Otherwise they run the risk of encouraging negative behaviour.

In the end GW has said that they didn't have enough, that demand was greater than they predicted and that as a result they are opening up to order more. That's a great response. It's a fully positive direction
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864744.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864744.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Kanluwen wrote:
Yes, because that's what saying "I refuse to use the term "FLGS" as shorthand for these shops" means.

Friendly Local Gaming Shop is a personal opinion. Simply calling them "LGS" or "Independent" doesn't automatically introduce another element to the potential arguments over the shops that the "Friendly" part can.

Nobody calls GW shops "FGWS". They're just "GW" or "GW shops".
You seem really hung up on the idea of other people selling GW's stuff.

Lemme ask you this Kan: Your GW purchases. Are they always made from GW stores/GW online?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864747.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864747.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item GW stuff at a GW. I like the community there, I enjoy playing there, and I would rather the location stay around.

I buy my Star Wars Legion stuff at another shop down the road, which has an active Legion/X-Wing scene and does a good job with that. I have zero interest in playing GW stuff there as the crowd is a bit WAAC.

I used to buy my Infinity stuff at another shop that did a good job supporting that game, until they helped oust the local WarCor by claiming they "were not running enough events"(the shop wouldn't honor the dates he was scheduling for events). That same shop has Star Wars and Battletech stuff, but I ain't supporting that kind of behavior. I've been grabbing my Battletech stuff either via Miniature Market(as the second shop mentioned is not currently stocking it) or Barnes and Noble(as they've had the core and the beginner sets...I'm hoping to get to nab a Clan Invasion set from them).

Have at it, chief. I have zero interest in supporting shops that are primarily interested in just the cash I bring rather than supporting the community fostered around the games.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864760.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864760.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864792.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864792.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 DarknessEternal wrote:
Is there a date on how long this is going to last?

There does not seem to be a hard date set, but the implication seems to be until the 25th?

Warhammer Community wrote:Today, we’re going to be making Indomitus available as a Made to Order item for a limited time. If you missed out on the pre-order and/or aren’t able to make it to a store for launch day, you’ll still be able to secure a copy.


That leaves 12-13 days for Made to Order(which is more or less how it usually is), then an additional "up to 120 days" for fulfillment.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864798.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864798.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item GW might not have left a date on purpose and might be balancing it. They can't just produce and produce and a firm date could leave them sitting on way too many to product through increased sales. A limit of 1 per person can still be got around by those who want too; and ontop of that any production is now eating into production for other things at GW's end.

So they might be playing it by ear and seeing how many orders they get and the rate. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864802.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864802.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Kanluwen wrote:
Have at it, chief.
Have at what?

You seem angry at the very idea of stores other than GW selling GW's products. It's... weird.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864812.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864812.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Have at it, chief.
Have at what?

You seem angry at the very idea of stores other than GW selling GW's products. It's... weird.

As usual, you've chosen to paint your own interpretation of things.

I'm "angry"(more annoyed) at shops that play the victim when they get caught out doing stuff they should know better than to do.
I'm "angry" that people continually fall for that nonsense and then let the shops shift the blame to someone else.

"Angry" is in quotes, because as mentioned it's "more annoyed" than "angry". Every single time something like this happens, people go crazy and panic buy things or insist that "GW should have known better because my independent store didn't get stock!".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864837.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864837.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Have at it, chief.
Have at what?

You seem angry at the very idea of stores other than GW selling GW's products. It's... weird.


I think the idea was that certain stores with eBay shops over reached, because they can sell a ton.

This created a vacuum that pulled boxes from smaller FLGS like mine that dont offer discounts nor do they have an online shop.

Those shops are just to the hobby.

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 Overread wrote:
GW might not have left a date on purpose and might be balancing it. They can't just produce and produce and a firm date could leave them sitting on way too many to product through increased sales. A limit of 1 per person can still be got around by those who want too; and ontop of that any production is now eating into production for other things at GW's end.

So they might be playing it by ear and seeing how many orders they get and the rate.


It might also be their publisher. They might put a limit (or simply raise the cost) of the special cover rulebook and Edge of Silence campaign booklet.
Some people won't care about such things but they are the items that are listed as 'exclusive' to Indomitus, and get a rush order on reprints could cost a pretty penny. And that presents a possible hard limit depending on the publisher feels.

British trade and advertising regulations could be sticklers about providing the exclusive content since its in the product description. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864891.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864891.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item GW doesn't have to deal with the publisher, they are the publishers. They just have to deal with the printing firm. Who yes might have limits on what they can achieve in a given time period. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864901.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864901.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Overread wrote:
GW doesn't have to deal with the publisher, they are the publishers. They just have to deal with the printing firm. Who yes might have limits on what they can achieve in a given time period.

Right, right. Printer.

Don't know if they're still dealing with 'C&C' in China, but they're the ones on the back of my space marine codex, and that's the most recent publication I've got.
So shipping time could also be a limiter.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864914.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10864914.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Seabass wrote:
 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Given the crazy times in which we are currently living - looking at you Covid19 - I can understand the impact on logistics, etc., even with their lead times..but really...would it actually hurt to man-up and give a sincere apology as opposed to something which sounds quite flippant?

I secured a copy pre-order day but what a fething polava it was. Someone dropped a real bollock on this release.

I am glad they are doing this so people who missed out can get a copy but for the love of all heck cease these limited releases.


As i say this please understand that it is an honest inquiry. (though a little hyperbolic to underscore a point)

What would an apology do, even if it were a mistake (and again, I am not entirely sure that it was a mistake, but accepting that)? Honestly, I cannot think for the life of me an apology from GW doing anything by incensing the community even further. GW has desperately little goodwill from the community from what I have seen, and It was pretty clear given the temper tantrums flying about (and not just here, but overall forms of social media I could see) that all an apology would do would be met with even more criticism. I would go so far as to say that I would have a hard time blaming them for just telling the community to go fly a kite. Now, obviously they can't do that, but I'll stand by my assertion that an apology would do nothing and this community (with the very few and rare exceptions) is the rough equivalent of "Karen" yelling at the dude at the ice cream store because he ran out of the mint chocolate chip.


No idea what 'Karen' is so let's just forget that right off the bat.

A sincere acknowlegement of a mistake can go some way to rectifying it, along with a proposal for remediating the situation is all the better. It is how adults behave.

If GW didn't just say 'oops, my bad, we will personally make you a box using Jes Goodwin's goo' would have been a better way to handle the debacle...but hey. As I said, these limited release fiascos need to stop.

A vitriolic outcry on social media? OK, join the righteously indignant masses.



Well, its a good thing most of the members who threw a tantrum and complained about GW on this forum and social media are definitely not adults, otherwise I would agree with you. GW doesn't owe anyone an apology, not after certain peoples despicable reaction to what happened imo.


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beast_gts wrote:
 Haasbioroid wrote:
 Kithail wrote:
 Haasbioroid wrote:
The scalpers already made there money off of it.


If they did, they did money off stupid rushing people. No harm done


There was an ebay scalper that had 50+ all sold Saturday night at 350.00 a pop. So ya, they got their money already.

Now those that hit them up, are probably feeling real bad right now.


What they should do is cancel their orders.


It was all done in the span of a few days, everyone who bought it for a higher price on ebay can easily cancel the order and just order from GW. If they are smart that is what they will do. I hope they do because all these scalpers will lose money and hopefully never try this terrible practice that screws over the average 40k player again... we can only hope.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865117.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865117.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
If you want a copy of Indomitus for the official launch date of the 25th July, your best bet is to check with your local Warhammer shop or friendly local Warhammer stockist and see if they have one for you. There are literally tens of thousands of Indomitus boxes being shipped to stores around the world right now, and supporting your local store is a great way to help the Warhammer community in your area.


That last line is shockingly tone-deaf, considering they pulled orders from stores to sell more stock online.

I keep seeing memes/posts with people giddy / elated the scalpers are screwed, i hate to be the bearer of bad news but that's not going to happen, as much as they deserve it.

No meta chaser is going to wait until December for their single box. All the boxes sold were printed before COVID, GW hasn't even restarted factory production.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865125.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865125.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
MadcapMiguel wrote:
If you want a copy of Indomitus for the official launch date of the 25th July, your best bet is to check with your local Warhammer shop or friendly local Warhammer stockist and see if they have one for you. There are literally tens of thousands of Indomitus boxes being shipped to stores around the world right now, and supporting your local store is a great way to help the Warhammer community in your area.


That last line is shockingly tone-deaf, considering they pulled orders from stores to sell more stock online.

I keep seeing memes/posts with people giddy / elated the scalpers are screwed, i hate to be the bearer of bad news but that's not going to happen, as much as they deserve it.

No meta chaser is going to wait until December for their single box. All the boxes sold were printed before COVID, GW hasn't even restarted factory production.


They pulled orders from stores likely requesting well beyond their credit and then some.

My store asked for 15. It got 15. It didn't even have pre-orders for all of those, but you don't hear people talking about how their store got all they asked for, because it isn't salacious.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865127.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865127.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Daedalus81 wrote:
MadcapMiguel wrote:
If you want a copy of Indomitus for the official launch date of the 25th July, your best bet is to check with your local Warhammer shop or friendly local Warhammer stockist and see if they have one for you. There are literally tens of thousands of Indomitus boxes being shipped to stores around the world right now, and supporting your local store is a great way to help the Warhammer community in your area.


That last line is shockingly tone-deaf, considering they pulled orders from stores to sell more stock online.

I keep seeing memes/posts with people giddy / elated the scalpers are screwed, i hate to be the bearer of bad news but that's not going to happen, as much as they deserve it.

No meta chaser is going to wait until December for their single box. All the boxes sold were printed before COVID, GW hasn't even restarted factory production.


They pulled orders from stores likely requesting well beyond their credit and then some.

My store asked for 15. It got 15. It didn't even have pre-orders for all of those, but you don't hear people talking about how their store got all they asked for, because it isn't salacious.


I pre ordered from my FLGS, paid in advance for all 4 boxes (2 are going to the necrontyr winter contest), and im still not sure if im getting those.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865145.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865145.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
MadcapMiguel wrote:


I pre ordered from my FLGS, paid in advance for all 4 boxes (2 are going to the necrontyr winter contest), and im still not sure if im getting those.


Your store should absolutely know their allocation right now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865155.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865155.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Daedalus81 wrote:
MadcapMiguel wrote:


I pre ordered from my FLGS, paid in advance for all 4 boxes (2 are going to the necrontyr winter contest), and im still not sure if im getting those.


Your store should absolutely know their allocation right now.


I'll find out for sure tomorrow, it's a still a cluster ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865163.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865163.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Kanluwen wrote:
ccs wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 ScarletRose wrote:

It's absurd that people selling GW product wanted to sell GW product.

Ok, whatever fits your little purity test dude.

Yeah no. It's absurd that people that are getting the discounts that are supposed to be for brick and mortar shops which actually support communities are primarily selling online.

A shop the size of my local comic shop should not be seeing 200+ copies of a $199 box. There is no way, shape, or form where that makes any kind of sense unless they are overordering to take advantage of selling via another avenue.


So it's fine for GW to sell to the masses worldwide via online, but not so fine when random shop does it? That your stance?

When random shop is supposed to follow certain rules with regards to their trade account and the discounts they receive, yet circumvents them by not actually taking the orders up front and expects GW to be able to fulfill an order that is equivalent to multiple other shops which are following the rules?

Yeah. That's my stance, chief.

Because let's remember that there was a shop the size of most small comic/hobby shops complaining that they wouldn't have Indomitus on their webstore "because they only were allocated 75% of their $30,000 Indomitus order", and it was all going to go to reservations.

$30,000 at 45% discount is around 274-275 sets.
75% of that is 205-206 sets.

That ain't logical.


Keep shifting that goalpost.
1st your against them getting x amount. NOW you're against them getting x amount if they do Y.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865166.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865166.page GMT Re:Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Daedalus81 wrote:
They pulled orders from stores likely requesting well beyond their credit and then some.

My store asked for 15. It got 15. It didn't even have pre-orders for all of those, but you don't hear people talking about how their store got all they asked for, because it isn't salacious.

Same here with the exact same number, 15. Only 10 have been pre-ordered by customers at the time of ordering. The owner said there was a limit in place for shops which was set @ 45. Could have been a German thing only though.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865188.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865188.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item GW did that from the start on their webstore, it wouldn't have been that bad last Saturday.

But now they do it. So they at least aknowledge part of the real problem here...it's not just stores that do the scalps, after all.

Now it feels like a true pre-order.

They should do this for all of their limited boxes from now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865228.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865228.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item GW. Hope everyone that wants one is able to get it now.

Word is there is a free locket with these boxes, each containing a scalpers tear...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865249.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865249.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
but at least GW now corrects their mistakes in time]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865254.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865254.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
Sarouan wrote:
The irony here is that if GW did that from the start on their webstore, it wouldn't have been that bad last Saturday.

But now they do it. So they at least aknowledge part of the real problem here...it's not just stores that do the scalps, after all.

Now it feels like a true pre-order.

They should do this for all of their limited boxes from now.


Don't forget there's that 120 day production and shipping time to consider. That's around 4 months waiting time to get your models.

This works as a one-off, but I can't see GW delaying every major box release by 4 months to achieve it. Especially as a standard release pattern, it pushes things way too far along for standard practice. The only way they could adopt a print-on-demand for regular kits would be if they either abandoned all content save for the models and just shipped it in white boxes. So you get nothing else (no card art, no booklet, no fancy unique box to show off on the store shelf). Otherwise custom orders would be a nightmare since GW doesn't have their own printing facility.
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Delivery date is shortly before Christmas.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865316.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865316.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Mr Morden wrote:
Did anyone think this was not going to happen

Happened exactly the same with Sisters boxed set


Uh no. Some independent stores got stock. GW store never sold them again after initial run. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865333.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865333.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 kodos wrote:
there will be still enough people buying from scalpers either because they don't want to wait or just don't recognise it (as it ís not shown under regular Indomitus link/products in the store)


The amount of circle jerking is truly incredible, MTO didn't solve anything. every. single. meme. on reddit is some version of "Mission Accomplished"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865369.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865369.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item (I avoid Warhammer subs on Reddit to stay sane)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865404.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865404.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item GW have put them up as made to order so everyone who wants one can get one albeit with a delay. No apologies or congratulations needed for anyone.
They're still selling on ebay, I guess to those who either missed out and don't want to wait, or just want certain parts of the set, so even the scalpers haven't really lost out.
Perhaps the one ray of light is going forward, if people suspect GW may do this again, they may not be as likely to buy all the stock of limited releases. But then again, probably not.
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This didn't happen with 8E's starter did it?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865446.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865446.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 Stormonu wrote:
I still find it hard to believe the 9E set sold out, and my mind wants to blame scalpers.

This didn't happen with 8E's starter did it?


You have to remember that regular starter sets were products continually like a regular model kit. So even if they did sell out at launch it didn't matter, GW was already ordering more. Furthermore because it wasn't limited there was likely a little less pressure on people to grab the boxed set.

I'd also say that each year that goes buy you get more people familiar with trading away excess, esp online. So in that past you'd likely not get a duel set just for the rulebook; today there's far more people who are more than willing and able to get the boxed set, take out the rulebook and then sell on the rest. GW has "trained" us in that over the last year with more and more duel sets where most people will want to get rid of half the content.

So now Indomitus isn't just wanted by marine and necron players but anyone who basically wants a free rulebook and already has means to move on the rest of the content. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865451.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865451.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 kodos wrote:
have a link to the good memes?
(I avoid Warhammer subs on Reddit to stay sane)


It's not just reddit, people are breaking their arms patting themselves on the back in my discord.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865516.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865516.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item UK time. These are boxes they held back from the weekend order so they will all arrive for the release date. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865543.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865543.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
Can stores order the Made to Order stuff? I see one fairly well know store selling made to order boxes at a discount. I am in absolutely no hurry, so this seem like a reasonable option. (I don't have an LGS.)

Is it a bad idea though?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865621.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865621.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 MadcapMiguel wrote:
 kodos wrote:
have a link to the good memes?
(I avoid Warhammer subs on Reddit to stay sane)

It's not just reddit, people are breaking their arms patting themselves on the back in my discord.

the damage is already done, having a limited edtion launch-set was not the best idea in the first place (making promises that everyone will get one on top of that wasn't good either)

people selling the box on ebay instead and the community going bonkers is a direct result of GW's marketing and could have been easily avoided by being clear that there is another production run and/or just removing the "limited" from the marketing

now the try to make good PR by "we listen to the community and added the made to order option" and some people already think about that this was the plan all along and GW wanted scalping to happen so that they can be the great hero afterwards
(question now is how many of those scalpers will cancel their pre-order for any of the boxes they did not already sell, creating a back-log for GW and the FLGS were no one really knows whats on stock and how much to produce resulting in another bad PR if everything is sold out now but in 2 weeks having 50 Boxes on the shelf of a store)

 H wrote:

Can stores order the Made to Order stuff? I see one fairly well know store selling made to order boxes at a discount. I am in absolutely no hurry, so this seem like a reasonable option. (I don't have an LGS.)


I got an mail from Wayland that I can order the Made to Order Box via their website, got no information from my FGLS yet]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865715.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865715.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 H wrote:
Here is a different sort of question, maybe.

Can stores order the Made to Order stuff? I see one fairly well know store selling made to order boxes at a discount. I am in absolutely no hurry, so this seem like a reasonable option. (I don't have an LGS.)

Is it a bad idea though?

See what I wrote a few posts above. Stores are able to order as many Indomitus boxes as they want. Delivery date: Before Christmas]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865724.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865724.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 kodos wrote:
I got an mail from Wayland that I can order the Made to Order Box via their website, got no information from my FGLS yet
Hmm, OK, yeah, I mean, considering this is a well known place, I don't figure it is a scam or anything. Just seemed odd at first, but a discount is a discount.

A discount is good, time is irrelevant for me (and the person I will split it with is in now hurry either). The possible 120 day lag is just not an issue at all to me, my backlog is vast and my pace so glacial it makes a snail look like a cheetah. I just want to get it at a decent price. I'm probably just going to scope out eBay for a couple days and see where prices are going there. If I don't see it in the range I like, I'll just do a make to order and be done with it.


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a_typical_hero wrote:
See what I wrote a few posts above. Stores are able to order as many Indomitus boxes as they want. Delivery date: Before Christmas
Ah, sorry, I had missed that. Good info, thanks!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865726.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865726.page GMT Indomitus is going back on sale as a Made-To-Order item
 kodos wrote:
now the try to make good PR by "we listen to the community and added the made to order option" and some people already think about that this was the plan all along and GW wanted scalping to happen so that they can be the great hero afterwards
(question now is how many of those scalpers will cancel their pre-order for any of the boxes they did not already sell, creating a back-log for GW and the FLGS were no one really knows whats on stock and how much to produce resulting in another bad PR if everything is sold out now but in 2 weeks having 50 Boxes on the shelf of a store)


You know someone on discord told me this would happen, i didn't believe him, how could they possibly up worse than the SoB release?
This was the biggest product launch of the year for a billion dollar company and it's their flagship game system.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865771.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/789955/10865771.page GMT