Nevelon wrote:
Your Incursor points:

1- Both units have concealed positions, so that’s a wash. I’d suggest that the infiltrators get more out of it, as it pairs very nicely with the scramblers for some serious board control.

2 - AP on the CC attacks is a nice perk, if situational. As a WS you probably are going to rush to the assault doctrine faster then me with my Ultras, so for you, this might be more then just a minor perk.

3 - The mine is nice for holding objectives if your foe is using assault to clear you off of it. How often does this happen? I’ve cleared my share with riflebuts and power swords, but a lot of the time it’s shoot them to death, advance the next turn and hold the empt one.

4 - I also play with a chunk of cover, and negating it would be nice. But I think you are underselling the auto-wound aspect. If you are getting re-rolls, you can fish a little for those 6’s, and they let you wound harder targets. I’ve plinked the last wound off of tanks before. And sometimes things are not in cover, but they always need to be wounded. I agree that the 4ppm is a pretty hard pill to swallow.

1 - What’s the price per wound on an infiltrator? Unless something bizarre happens, you are going to use the medkit at least once. And it negates the hit, not just reduces and damage by 1. So it’s always going to be effective. And pay for itself on the first use. The old version was random and might have taken time to get it’s points back, this one is an auto take IMHO.

2 - If you are playing with the appropriate characters, AND you are not clustering up, I could see the coms being useful. But they struck me as not worth it unless you were going all-in on the theme. Even if going all primaris, I like the non-phobos versions of the HQs better.

3- Concealed positions + scramblers = My objective, anyware Not just backfield screening. 12” is a hard cap to stop people from charging you. Last game my infiltrators were camped out on an objective in an open table quarter. My foe DS’s some guys, but could only shoot me the first turn he was there. He assaulted later, but that was another turn with my boots on the prize. And being ObSec, I held it even in the fight.

Infiltrators are more expensive, and with reason. I like the guns better, the scrambler is a hard stop to a lot of tricks, the medpack is pretty nice, and they have a lot of tricks up their sleeves. Incursors are more situational. They are nice when dealing with to-hit issues and cover. But those are more rare/situational IMHO. Neither squad is as generically useful for the points as intercessors, but I think they have a place in lists. I’m becoming more enamored with my infiltrators the more they see the table. I have a squad of Incursors built, but right now all I have for them is theoretical, as they have yet to get paint and see battle.

dominuschao wrote:
It's been a minute since I played as loyalists bit here's my thoughts..

Infiltrators break one of the core rules of the game. I would always want at least a unit but here you can take a phobos captain as substitute/supplement just to gain anti DS.

Incursors in white scars are really appealing. I've faced them as WS and Sw and they can be strong if built and wielded well. I haven't brewed with the latest SM strats and nuances yet but I built a concept for a friend in 8th around ultramarines incursors. It basically combo'd their blades with whirlwind and full rerolls to fish for double exploding 6s or as I called it "tesla blades". Turned out to be a brutal combo and now in 9th maybe even stronger.

I think your instincts of 3/1 incursors to infiltrators is a good starting point. And consider adding a phobos captain to double on denying landing zones.