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For the purpose of this thread we're assuming 11th will be the squatting of all or nearly all firstborn figures and most of their vehicles. This has been happening for a while, but what will you do with your Firstborn when none of them are in a codex anymore?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818315.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818315.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn....
I was in the process of dumping primaris as don't like the look and will probably do the same for post 2nd ed marine stylings (so the newer ones) and keep only the old hammer stuff.

maybe they will be an expansion for the horus heresy, codex marines vs traitor legions

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818322.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818322.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn.... A Bolter Marine is a bolter Marine, a plasma Marine is a plasma Marine, Lasercannon Marine is a Lasercannon (or "Lasfusil", whatever name they went for with Primaris) Marine.
As a non-Marine Player I wouldn't be able to differentiate a Proper Marine from a Primaris Marine at table's length anyway.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818325.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818325.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn.... http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818333.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818333.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn.... http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818336.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818336.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn....

BorderCountess wrote:
"No, honestly, these are Intercessors. They're just a little short."

If scale creep was enough to disqualify a mini from the table, my RTB01 beekies would have been sidelined long before primaris showed up on the screen.

I’ll field them as long as I can. Counts-as if I need to. But eventually they might end up just in the display case as a reminder of the old times. Until GW decides to go mine nostalgia again, and they can hit the table once more.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818342.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818342.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn....
As for the troops; very likely to continue using them, though it depends on whether I actually need to field them. Most of my first born have been converted over the years to DW Vets and they map pretty well to the new Kill Team box so I'll probably rebase the heavy weapons and keep using them as DW vets. Probably don't NEED them and certainly not all that I have, but my favorites are likely to jump in as a second 10 man depending on what happens to DW going forward.

Some of it depends on the quality of the replacements. Pretty happy with the new DW KT. It expanded onto some extra intercessors well. Similarly my assault intercessors are all set to swap to some first born jump packs. I may continue to use my Terminators as extra special weapons, though the new kit is so much nicer I'm not heartbroken to replace them.
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I've been out of 40k for a while (5 editions...), but my Firstborn Dark and Blood Angels have continued to see periodic action in Grimdark Future. And I see no reason for that to change.

Now, the bargain opportunist in me is thinking about whether I should go looking for deals even though I've got more Marines than I could ever field.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818361.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818361.page GMT Re:What Will You Do With Your Firstborn....
If they dont have thier own stats they will serve as whatever the most logical Primaris unit is.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818362.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818362.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn....

The_Real_Chris wrote:
I would hope there is a community effort to do a decent firstborn codex to do stuff like the babdab war etc.

I was in the process of dumping primaris as don't like the look and will probably do the same for post 2nd ed marine stylings (so the newer ones) and keep only the old hammer stuff.

maybe they will be an expansion for the horus heresy, codex marines vs traitor legions

That's an interesting idea. Sort of like Battletech eras.

There's a couple thousand years in-universe in which the various incarnations of the non-Heresy style firstborn were the only Marines. Lots of action to play out there. I'm sure there are other folks who wouldn't mind gaming in the 40k universe as it was before 2017.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818365.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818365.page GMT Re:What Will You Do With Your Firstborn.... 40K journey in the latter days of 2E and stopped playing around 8th edition (that was the one with the Indexes, right?). I never played Marines but most people I know did. For a few editions, I was hoping the Primaris would slowly become "True Scale Firstborn" and my friends could still use their armies for the most part.

But now this turn of events is really making us double down on Oldhammer. Hell, this squatting is making me nostalgic for the army I never liked! I'm tempted to grab some Deathwatch to go with my Inquisitorial Force before I lose the chance forever.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818368.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818368.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn....
The little [Legends] tag on Waha or New Recruit really doesn't affect my use one way or the other.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818370.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818370.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn.... OP, keep using them in Grimdark Future.

I am honestly weirdly relieved. I have a large force of Space Marines cobbled together from all the starter sets I've bought over the years plus a few extra purchases here and there. It's a full company all told, mostly tactical squads but also some metal scouts, assault marines and a healthy dose of terminators and bikers.

As long as the old kits were still available there was a certain itch to pick up the devastators to make some more heavy weapons guys to fill out my devastators a bit more (I just have a squad with 4 missile launchers made from tactical squad extras) or whatever. Now it's all gone, I'm happy to consider the collection "complete" and once I finish painting the last two dozen or so marines I have left I can just say "I'm done" with that part of my collection entirely.

As you say, it's more than I can ever reasonably field at once in any case. It does see a lot of table time though as it's the chosen force of my main opponent who likes the huge amount of choice the army gives him and their relatively straightforward playstyle in game. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818384.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818384.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn.... http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818420.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818420.page GMT Re:What Will You Do With Your Firstborn.... GSC, Khaos), and once I have all the models built and painted, to stick playing that in its RPG mode indefinitely. The same models will also work for games of 2nd edition, if I'm feeling more like a skirmish wargame. My Beakie Firstborn Blood Angels being the main army for everything. Historically, I'm capping most things to the point in time around WD200, anything newer than that will be situational.. Those are the best years in the hobby in terms of lore and rules for me, but I do prefer the modern models.

As for the current editions of the game, not much will change. Legends / Counts as, whenever we got games. Might switch to playing some sort of Imperial Soup (Inquisition, Krieg, Imperial Navy) if things get too messy with my Beakies.

I also have hopes that some of the same models will be suitable for "Great Scouring era" 30K. We shall see..

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Then I'll work on reverse engineering newer units to 2nd ed costs, stats and rules.

The last step is to see if I can get a group to go along with 2nd ed.

I may try a couple games in newer editions, using counts-as but personally don't like that. (Don't mind if my opponent does, but I like to play my army as WYSIWYG)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818456.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818456.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn.... 40k. It was my first edition. I have allot of nostalgia and all the accoutrements, but it's a clunky game.

For folks looking as adapting somewhat more recent units to 2nd Edition, many of them them have 2ndEd/Necro95 compatible statlines in Shadow War Armageddon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818466.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818466.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn.... But I kind of suspect there will be a replacement unit for a lot of them. I want to see tactical marines back on the table. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818484.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818484.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn....

Eilif wrote:
Surprising to me to see all the interest in second edition 40k. It was my first edition. I have allot of nostalgia and all the accoutrements, but it's a clunky game.

For folks looking as adapting somewhat more recent units to 2nd Edition, many of them them have 2ndEd/Necro95 compatible statlines in Shadow War Armageddon.

That's a great point! I actually happen to have SWA rulebook..]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818499.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818499.page GMT Re:What Will You Do With Your Firstborn.... 40k comes back from its current rules structure to something that more resembles 4th-5th edition. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818519.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818519.page GMT Re:What Will You Do With Your Firstborn....

BanjoJohn wrote:
I will keep using firstborn in 3rd-4th edition until 40k comes back from its current rules structure to something that more resembles 4th-5th edition.

I wouldn't hold your breath - that design space is for Horus Heresy, now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818522.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818522.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn.... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818544.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818544.page GMT Re:What Will You Do With Your Firstborn.... http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818552.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818552.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn....

Eilif wrote:
... When they are moved to legends?

For the purpose of this thread we're assuming 11th will be the squatting of all or nearly all firstborn figures and most of their vehicles. This has been happening for a while, but what will you do with your Firstborn when none of them are in a codex anymore?

Run them all as proxies of current stuff]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818553.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818553.page GMT Re:What Will You Do With Your Firstborn....

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'm hoping she'll go to college but I would be happy with some trade school.

The OP specified after they moved to legends. So if they have already reached that status, I think a celebration would be in order. Kid would be doing OK at that point.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818556.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818556.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn.... reeeaaallly matter if your Intercessors are a little shorter and their bolt rifles are slightly less rifle-like. Anyone expecting you to ditch and rebuy your models because of an edition change is the kind of person you shouldn't be allowing to play you anyway.

Rules are ephemeral, Models endure. At the end of the day models are just tokens used to convey game effects around the battlefield]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818568.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818568.page GMT Re:What Will You Do With Your Firstborn....

BorderCountess wrote:

BanjoJohn wrote:
I will keep using firstborn in 3rd-4th edition until 40k comes back from its current rules structure to something that more resembles 4th-5th edition.

I wouldn't hold your breath - that design space is for Horus Heresy, now.

Yeah, I won't hold my breath, I mean.. I "quit" like... 14 years ago? I have no urgency to join the mainstream of 40k again, I certainly can wait without holding my breath. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818585.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818585.page GMT Re:What Will You Do With Your Firstborn....

Nevelon wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'm hoping she'll go to college but I would be happy with some trade school.

The OP specified after they moved to legends. So if they have already reached that status, I think a celebration would be in order. Kid would be doing OK at that point.

Here was my smartassed response:

I've been to Legends hundreds of times. It's probably the best Blues Club in the Chicago...

Why would they want a bunch of old Space Marine models?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818597.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818597.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn....

BorderCountess wrote:
"No, honestly, these are Intercessors. They're just a little short."

“Aren’t you a little short to be a Space Marine?”

Valete,

JohnS]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818640.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818640.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn....

cygnnus wrote:

BorderCountess wrote:
"No, honestly, these are Intercessors. They're just a little short."

“Aren’t you a little short to be a Space Marine?”

Valete,

JohnS

I had that joke in my head as I made my post. Thanks for beating Lathe to it.

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Gibblets wrote:
Leave them packed up, but this time I put tape on the box RIP. Tournament 40K is too greasy for me.

Display case, charge 50c to see them in a decade to all the new players. History !]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818675.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818675.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn....

Charax wrote:
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Rules are ephemeral, Models endure. At the end of the day models are just tokens used to convey game effects around the battlefield

It's rare that I agree and disagree so strongly with a statement.

"Rules are ephemeral, Models endure."
100 percent agree, but I would instead follow it with...

"At the end of the day rules are just the guidelines by which we play with they models we love."

Models are so much more than tokens for me. They're the reason I'm in this hobby.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818721.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818721.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn....
So collect the models you want and wrap the rules around them]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818738.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818738.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn....

I will continue to play with them in non-competitive events.

I know it's different depending on your local community, but for the most part, all our local events that are not competitive tournaments, save one, allow Legends models and we've never had an issue at one on a rules front.

GW's official stance is the same, Legends are fine in all non competitive tournament games.

Legends models having to get mothballed is a largely self imposed perception. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818747.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818747.page GMT What Will You Do With Your Firstborn....

Tawnis wrote:

GW's official stance is the same, Legends are fine in all non competitive tournament games.

Legends models having to get mothballed is a largely self imposed perception.

Yeah, Legends is way more about ensuring the tournament meta doesn't include models that new players are unable to acquire. The actual model rules are absolutely fine to play (though app support would be incredibly welcome).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818750.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/818838/11818750.page GMT