Guillérmidas wrote:
• [size=24]DATASHEETS - only adding point cuts/increases when I see it necessary to point out


o Characters: some characters will have the option to act as Leaders or Support. Our character selection is the most complex in all 40k and only Faction that army rule entirely depends on charactes. Othewise, its broken.

• NEW CHARACTER: Tank Commander (leader)
 Can join Rogal Dorn, Leman Russ, Baneblade. Meaning, it keeps the ability of unit joined.
• Replaces RDTC and LRTC datasheets. It is NOT a vehicle, it's a leader you attach to tank.
• It does not add any wounds to the vehicle it joins.
 Can issue 2 Squadron Orders OR 1 Titanic Order. Vox Net (12” range) Can issue orders up to 12"
 NEW Ability: at the start of the command phase, select one of these 3 options:
• You may re-roll 1D6 roll dice to determine the number of attacks
• Your weapons have the [Assault] keyword
• Once per battle round, a Tank Commander can use "Smoke" OR "Crushing Impact" stratagem for 0CP, even if it's been used this battle round.
• Note: the 3 are situationally useful, i think you'll want to use all depending on circumstances.

• NEW CHARACTER: Recon Commander (leader)
 Can join Hellhound, Sentinel, Hippogryph, Chimera or Valkyrie
• It does not add any wounds to the vehicle it joins. It's not a vehicle, its just a leader attached.
 Can issue 2 Squadron Orders. Vox Net (12” range)
 NEW Ability: at the start of your shooting phase, you can select one visible target within 18". Increase detection range by 3” and ALL [Astra Militarum] models have [Sustained hits 1] against that target.

• Commissar Sebastian Yarrick (leader)
 Counterstrategist. Range back to enemy within 9" of this UNIT, not model.
 Moderate points reduction.

• Hell's Last (support)
 No longer Legends
 Counts as Command Squad (no more than 1 per unit).

• Cadian Command Squad (support)
 Cadia Stands: In the opponent's phase, when this unit contains an [OFFICER], just after an enemy unit has selected its targets, if this is wihin range of an objective you control, you may change one order affecting this unit to "Take Cover!".

• Commissar (leader)
 Can now issue "Move, move, move" order.

• Ogryn Bodyguard (bodyguard OR support), renamed to "Ogryn Bone'ead"
 "Bodyguard" can always join an "Officer" keyword
 Alternatively, can now join ogryn/bullgryn squads as support. If it does, unit gains the [Regiment keyword]
• 3 ogryn+bodyguard in Chimera/Valkyrie becomes viable. Welcome home, Darktide
• More viable ways to effectively play Ogryns outside exclusive detachment.

• Primaris Psyker (support)
 Points down to 40
 New weapon option alternative: Inferno Force Staff (a flamer 12" weapon basically), with hazardous alternate

• Tech-Priest (support)
 Enginseer: alternatively, if this model has joined a unit, adds 1 attack to [Rapid Fire] weapons of said unit.

• Ministorum Priest (support)
 War Hymns: in the command phase, choose one of these 3 options (just a general view, not balanced yet)
• [Sustained hits 1] in melee for his unit.
• +1 to Ld and Invulnerable of 6+ for his unit.
• This model gains [Cleave 1] and re-roll one hit and one wound roll in melee.
 Zealot (instead of Holy Piety): once per battle, improve Attacks and Strength by 3 (like Sisters variant).

• Cadian Shock Troops, Death Korps of Krieg and Catachan Jungle Fighters
 You can attach a leader and a support character to these units, OR up two support units instead
• This "bug fix" will allow to combine the Command Squads with regular leaders which would be impossible with new rules otherwise. I find it mandatory a fix like this for the guard, but there's other ways to implement it, glad to hear opinions on the matter.

• Tempestus Aquilons
 Precision Drop changed to 6" from the enemy horizontally OR 3" vertically
• Meaning they can steal objectives if the upper floor is empty.
 Option to be fielded in unit of 5 model. Loses the Sentry

• Ogryns and Bullgryns
 ADD: When using [Firing Deck] Rule, count these models as 3 instead of 1.
• A nerf, but I think its necessary and makes sense. Still useful in centaur or Baneblades, but not in a Chimera shooting from a tiny hatch.

• Ratlings
 Movement down to 5". No idea why they move as fast as a human in 10th. They move 1" less in all other games like Killteam, Necromunda or older editions (3th to 7th).
 NEW ADDITIONAL ABILITY (on top of what they have): this unit has -3" detection range.

• IMPORTANT NOTE: giving most artillery [Heavy] back. With new rules, they must remain stationary to use [Indirect fire] rule, so wont help mobility with new [Heavy] changes unless using direct fire. But this will help propelled artillery not rely on orders as much. On-foot artillery will still want orders to hit on 4+.

• Basilisk
 Earth Shaker Cannon gains [Heavy] back. [Blast 2]
 Points should be fine this way? Would need testing

• Manticore
 Storm Eagle Rockets
• 1D6+1 [Blast 1] and [Heavy]. [Anti-infantry 4+] and [Devastating wounds]
• One use. This model is equipped with 4 "Storm Eagle Rockets"
• Ability: substract 1 from OC (to a minimum of 0). Can only shoot 1 "Storm Eagle Rockets" per round.
• This may be controversial, but I dont want Manticore to be much cheaper. I want it to be a total menace and our premium anti-elite artillery. The OC0 and nerfed anti-infanty with Dev would help be a nightmare against its target of choice, but unreliable against hordes and tanks.

• Cadian Heavy Weapon Team
 Covering fire change to: you can target this unit with Fire Overwatch for free, even if this stratagem has been used this turn. If this unit is with 6" of one or more Platoon units, Snaping shoots are made in an unmodified roll of 5+ instead.

 Wyldhunt wrote:

• NEW CHARACTER: Tank Commander (leader)
• NEW CHARACTER: Recon Commander (leader)

Is the idea here that these guys basically just increase the cost of the vehicle and give it additional special abilities? Almost like an enhancement? Essentially what the named tau and ultramarines tank commander characters were back in the day? If so, I almost wonder if these should literally just be enhancements?

• Commissar Sebastian Yarrick (leader)
 Counterstrategist. Range back to enemy within 9" of this UNIT, not model.
 Moderate points reduction.

Makes for a potentially huge aura on the ability, but probably not broken. Why the change?

• Ogryn Bodyguard (bodyguard OR support), renamed to "Ogryn Bone'ead"

I like it. Although it's weird to me that ogryn can ride in transports at all. I thought being claustrophobic was one of their iconic quirks?

• Tech-Priest (support)
 Enginseer: alternatively, if this model has joined a unit, adds 1 attack to [Rapid Fire] weapons of said unit.

Probably fine in a vacuum, but being able to double-dip with FRFSRF strikes me as a red flag. I leave it to those more familiar with the faction to say whether this has an abusable use case.

• Ministorum Priest (support)

Seems *fine* but you've got multiple flavors of melee buff in there that are all ultimately trying to represent the same thing (stab better). I feel like you can probably streamline this or else make the different buffs more distinctive.

• Wyvern
 Quad Mortar gains [Heavy] back. Strength up to 6. Loses [Twin-Linked]. [Blast 1]
• NOW IT HAS 2 Quad Mortars, not 1.
• This should make it a consistent light infantry killer. With two more 1D6+blast attacks and enough strength to wound on 2+ to weak infantry, it should be a menace against humanoids, and still theaten orks blobs, but very ineffective against medium/heavy infantry or anything better.
 Moderate-High Price decrease. This should be our cheap mobile artillery, yet it costs an arm and a leg.

To confirm, you're doubling the number of attacks it has? Generally, it's better to have twice the shots than to be twin-linked. So while it is more efficient into T3 and lightly-armored units than meq, you're still functionally making it better against meq as well as the other units. Still, you can probably make it balanced with the right points cost, but be aware that you're basically doubling its lethality against something like a squad of guardsmen (and making it synergizes much more with any sources of rerolls and/or crit hits.)

• Manticore

Well, you're making it slightly more reliable against tanks (dev wounds) and leaving it roughly as reliable as it was against hordes (most hordes are T3 and thus wounded on 2+ anyway) while making it less likely to wound things like gravis and terminators but more likely to bypass their saves. So I think this was mostly a horizontal move in terms of changing how effective they are against various targets. I guess you made it a little worse against orks specifically? But better into meganobz or ork vehicles.
Not sure how I feel about the minimum of OC 0 change. High concept, I kind of like the idea of suppressing enemies as part of the grapple for scoring points. But in practice, this just lets you point to most non-battle line units in the game and say, "You aren't allowed to score objectives this turn." And I'm not sure that's particularly interesting or good for the game. Probably feels pretty bad if you're playing an army that doesn't have particularly good OC2+ units.

• Cadian Heavy Weapon Team
 Covering fire change to: you can target this unit with Fire Overwatch for free, even if this stratagem has been used this turn. If this unit is with 6" of one or more Platoon units, Snaping shoots are made in an unmodified roll of 5+ instead.

Idk. It doesn't particularly make sense to me that you'd need to be near a bunch of rifle dudes in order to be good at waiting for a chance to line up a relatively accurate overwatch shot. Then again, it seems a little weird that a mortar team of all things would be especially good at overwatch. What's the logic here?