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• DATASHEETS - only adding point cuts/increases when I see it necessary to point out


o Characters: some characters will have the option to act as Leaders or Support. Our character selection is the most complex in all 40k and only Faction that army rule entirely depends on charactes. Othewise, its broken.

• NEW CHARACTER: Tank Commander (leader)
 Can join Rogal Dorn, Leman Russ, Baneblade. Meaning, it keeps the ability of unit joined.
• Replaces RDTC and LRTC datasheets. It is NOT a vehicle, it's a leader you attach to tank.
• It does not add any wounds to the vehicle it joins.
 Can issue 2 Squadron Orders OR 1 Titanic Order. Vox Net (12” range) Can issue orders up to 12"
 NEW Ability: at the start of the command phase, select one of these 3 options:
• You may re-roll 1D6 roll dice to determine the number of attacks
• Your weapons have the [Assault] keyword
• Once per battle round, a Tank Commander can use "Smoke" OR "Crushing Impact" stratagem for 0CP, even if it's been used this battle round.
• Note: the 3 are situationally useful, i think you'll want to use all depending on circumstances.

• NEW CHARACTER: Recon Commander (leader)
 Can join Hellhound, Sentinel, Hippogryph, Chimera or Valkyrie
• It does not add any wounds to the vehicle it joins. It's not a vehicle, its just a leader attached.
 Can issue 2 Squadron Orders. Vox Net (12” range)
 NEW Ability: at the start of your shooting phase, you can select one visible target within 18". Increase detection range by 3” and ALL [Astra Militarum] models have [Sustained hits 1] against that target.

• Commissar Sebastian Yarrick (leader)
 Counterstrategist. Range back to enemy within 9" of this UNIT, not model.
 Moderate points reduction.

• Lord Solar (leader)
 Unchanged.

• Marshall Dreir (leader)
 "Leading the charge". Add text: Additionally, when issuing orders to [Mounted] units, range increased to 12".
 "Saber of Sacrifice": Damage increased to D2. Anti-infantry down to 5+.
 Laspistol renamed to "Relic Laspistol". Attacks increased to 2A, Damage increased to D2.
• I dont even play krieg, but this guy is beyond awful. Improving his niche as mounted leader is the way to go I feel, not making him another Lord Solar.

• Cadian Castellan (leader)
 Unchanged

• Ursula Creed (leader)
 Unchanged

• Hell's Last (support)
 No longer Legends
 Counts as Command Squad (no more than 1 per unit).

• Cadian Command Squad (support)
 Cadia Stands: In the opponent's phase, when this unit contains an [OFFICER], just after an enemy unit has selected its targets, if this is wihin range of an objective you control, you may change one order affecting this unit to "Take Cover!".

• Krieg Command Squad (support)
 Unchanged?:
 i have not yet played this. I know they need big changes. One could be a full rework, make it 5 unit and create new "Lord Commissar" datasheet. Or add a new ability. Shoot or fight on death on a 4+ for the unit would be fitting. But want to hear

• Commissar (leader)
 Can now issue "Move, move, move" order.

• Ogryn Bodyguard (bodyguard OR support), renamed to "Ogryn Bone'ead"
 "Bodyguard" can always join an "Officer" keyword
 Alternatively, can now join ogryn/bullgryn squads as support. If it does, unit gains the [Regiment keyword]
• 3 ogryn+bodyguard in Chimera/Valkyrie becomes viable. Welcome home, Darktide
• More viable ways to effectively play Ogryns outside exclusive detachment.

• Primaris Psyker (support)
 Points down to 40
 New weapon option alternative: Inferno Force Staff (a flamer 12" weapon basically), with hazardous alternate

• Tech-Priest (support)
 Enginseer: alternatively, if this model has joined a unit, adds 1 attack to [Rapid Fire] weapons of said unit.

• Ministorum Priest (support)
 War Hymns: in the command phase, choose one of these 3 options (just a general view, not balanced yet)
• [Sustained hits 1] in melee for his unit.
• +1 to Ld and Invulnerable of 6+ for his unit.
• This model gains [Cleave 1] and re-roll one hit and one wound roll in melee.
 Zealot (instead of Holy Piety): once per battle, improve Attacks and Strength by 3 (like Sisters variant).


o [size=20]Infantry (troops)

• Cadian Shock Troops, Death Korps of Krieg and Catachan Jungle Fighters
 You can attach a leader and a support character to these units, OR up two support units instead
• This "bug fix" will allow to combine the Command Squads with regular leaders which would be impossible with new rules otherwise. I find it mandatory a fix like this for the guard, but there's other ways to implement it, glad to hear opinions on the matter.

• Tempestus Aquilons
 Precision Drop changed to 6" from the enemy horizontally OR 3" vertically
• Meaning they can steal objectives if the upper floor is empty.
 Option to be fielded in unit of 5 model. Loses the Sentry

• Kasrkin, Krieg Combat Engineers and Tempestus Scions
 Unchanged

• Ogryns and Bullgryns
 ADD: When using [Firing Deck] Rule, count these models as 3 instead of 1.
• A nerf, but I think its necessary and makes sense. Still useful in centaur or Baneblades, but not in a Chimera shooting from a tiny hatch.

• Ratlings
 Movement down to 5". No idea why they move as fast as a human in 10th. They move 1" less in all other games like Killteam, Necromunda or older editions (3th to 7th).
 NEW ADDITIONAL ABILITY (on top of what they have): this unit has -3" detection range.


o Artillery (infantry and vehicles)

• IMPORTANT NOTE: giving most artillery [Heavy] back. With new rules, they must remain stationary to use [Indirect fire] rule, so wont help mobility with new [Heavy] changes unless using direct fire. But this will help propelled artillery not rely on orders as much. On-foot artillery will still want orders to hit on 4+.

• Basilisk
 Earth Shaker Cannon gains [Heavy] back. [Blast 2]
 Points should be fine this way? Would need testing

• Wyvern
 Quad Mortar gains [Heavy] back. Strength up to 6. Loses [Twin-Linked]. [Blast 1]
• NOW IT HAS 2 Quad Mortars, not 1.
• This should make it a consistent light infantry killer. With two more 1D6+blast attacks and enough strength to wound on 2+ to weak infantry, it should be a menace against humanoids, and still theaten orks blobs, but very ineffective against medium/heavy infantry or anything better.
 Moderate-High Price decrease. This should be our cheap mobile artillery, yet it costs an arm and a leg.

• Manticore
 Storm Eagle Rockets
• 1D6+1 [Blast 1] and [Heavy]. [Anti-infantry 4+] and [Devastating wounds]
• One use. This model is equipped with 4 "Storm Eagle Rockets"
• Ability: substract 1 from OC (to a minimum of 0). Can only shoot 1 "Storm Eagle Rockets" per round.
• This may be controversial, but I dont want Manticore to be much cheaper. I want it to be a total menace and our premium anti-elite artillery. The OC0 and nerfed anti-infanty with Dev would help be a nightmare against its target of choice, but unreliable against hordes and tanks.

• Field Ordenance Battery
 Malleus Rockets. Add [Indirect Fire]
 Heavy Lascannon
 Moderate price decrease

• Artillery Team (krieg)
 Heavy Mortar: [Blast 2]
 Heavy quad launcher: [Blast 1] and [Sustained hits 1].
 Multiple rocket launcher: [Blast 1]
 Siege cannon: [Blast 2]
• I feel these changes will make the wepons more balanced between each other
 Moderate? price decrease

• Cadian Heavy Weapon Team
 Covering fire change to: you can target this unit with Fire Overwatch for free, even if this stratagem has been used this turn. If this unit is with 6" of one or more Platoon units, Snaping shoots are made in an unmodified roll of 5+ instead.

• Krieg Heavy Weapon Team
 Krieg Heavy Flamer now 1D6+3 attacks. Damage reduced down to 1.


o Vehicles (tanks)

• Hellhound
 Melta cannon range increased by 6". Attacks incresed to 1D3+1.
 Chem cannon attacks increased to 1D3+3A. More reliable for killing marines.
 Inferno cannon strength increased to S8.
 Ability now only stips cover with cannon.
 Slight price incease.

• Hydra
 Ability (reroll to hits) now only works for Hydra autocannons.
 Slight Price decrease

• Leman Russ Battle Tank
 Battle-Cannon gains [Heavy] keyword. [Blast 2]
 Important it remains single datasheet, so you can still have 3 as opposed to other variants

• NEW UNIT: Leman Russ Strike Tank
 Executioner, Vanquisher, Exterminator [Blast 1]
• Point differences, one single datasheet
 NEW abilities and changes
• EXTERMINATOR: Each time this model makes a ranged attack (excluding monsters/vehicles), improve the Armor Penetration characteristic of that attack by 1.
• Its a big nerf but I think army-wide buffs should be reduced for ALL factions. It'd make the Exterminator more elite-infantry dedicated tank, as it should. Ideally, similar ability in other factions datasheets would get a similar treatment, like sister's Castigator.
• VANQUISHER: In the shooting phase, you may re-roll one hit, one wound and one damage roll.
• Point increase. Very reliable Heavy Tank Killer, no longer a cheap sponsor platform.

• NEW UNIT: Leman Russ Assault Tank
 Demolisher [Blast 2], Punisher [Devastating wounds], Erradicator [Blast 2]
• Point differences, one single datasheet
 NEW abililities and changes
• [Close Quarters] keyword for Demolisher (shorter, more in-line with new rules, effectively the same)
• "Breaching Shells": Opponent units cannot benefit from Hidden against this model (Erradicator)
• "Pinned Downed": After scoring a hit with [Punisher Cannon], if the target was [Infantry], until your next shooting phase the opponent's unit is uneligible to make [Advance] move

• Rogal Dorn Tank
 Oppressor cannon [Blast 2]
 Twin-battle cannon [Blast 2]. Attacks increased to 1D6+6.
 Gatling Cannon. Add [Sustained hits 1]
 Slight price increase at most since you cannot have 6 anymore (only 3, no RDTC).


o Vehicles (transports)

• Chimera:
 Multi-laser attacks increased to 6A
 Ability now increases range orders up to 12"
 Toughness inceased to 10.
• Remember ogryns wont use rapid fire from within now. Still, maybe slight price increase to 90?

• Centaur:
 Ability increases OC for each 2 models rather than 3
 Price drop down to 65
• More in line with the Ork Trukk price (also firing deck 12), only slightly cheaper since it cannot transport troops as expensive as them.

• Taurox:
 Unchanged.

• Taurox Prime:
 Unchanged.

• Valkyrie:
 No FAQ still about [Hover] rules, uncertain how will work exactly. And whether it'd benefit from Plunging Fire (+1BS) or not in [Hover].
 HEAVY price decrease. From 190 to 140 at least, possibly 130.
 Multiple rocket pods [Blast 2]. Multi-laser attacks increased to 6A
• Better at anti-infantry role,more balanced alternatives. Lascannon/Hellstikes were far superior.


o Others (others)

• Sentinel (Scout & Armored):
 Unchanged.

• Attilan and Death Riders:
 Unchanged.

• Hippogriff
 Vigilator cannon [Blast 1]. Increased to 1D6+1 attacks.
 Chiron Gatling Cannon. Add [Sustained hits 1]
• This should make the weapons more balanced each other without need of points for each.

• Deathstrike:
 No idea what to do to this to remove meme status but not make it oppressive besides add D2 to profile.


o Weapons (general changes to common weapons):

• Plasma Rifle (overcharged): LOSES [Rapid Fire] keyword. (this change should be done across all factions)
• Plasma Pistol/Rifle (regular): strength down to 5 (this change should be done across all factions)
• Boltgun/Boltpistol: AP1 (this change should be done to most, but not all, boltgun variants)
• Shotguns: added [Close Quarters] and [Rapid Fire 1].
 More combat oriented, deadly within 6".
• Flamer/Heavy Flamer: attacks increased to 1D6+1A.
• Missile Launcher (krak): strength increased to S10.
• Missile Launcher (frag): attacks increased to 1D6+1. Blast 1
• Grenade Launcher (krak): unchanged.
• Grenade Launcher (frag): attacks increased to 1D3+1. Blast 1
• Multilser: attacks increased to 6A

 Guillérmidas wrote:
• [size=24]DATASHEETS - only adding point cuts/increases when I see it necessary to point out


o Characters: some characters will have the option to act as Leaders or Support. Our character selection is the most complex in all 40k and only Faction that army rule entirely depends on charactes. Othewise, its broken.

• NEW CHARACTER: Tank Commander (leader)
 Can join Rogal Dorn, Leman Russ, Baneblade. Meaning, it keeps the ability of unit joined.
• Replaces RDTC and LRTC datasheets. It is NOT a vehicle, it's a leader you attach to tank.
• It does not add any wounds to the vehicle it joins.
 Can issue 2 Squadron Orders OR 1 Titanic Order. Vox Net (12” range) Can issue orders up to 12"
 NEW Ability: at the start of the command phase, select one of these 3 options:
• You may re-roll 1D6 roll dice to determine the number of attacks
• Your weapons have the [Assault] keyword
• Once per battle round, a Tank Commander can use "Smoke" OR "Crushing Impact" stratagem for 0CP, even if it's been used this battle round.
• Note: the 3 are situationally useful, i think you'll want to use all depending on circumstances.

• NEW CHARACTER: Recon Commander (leader)
 Can join Hellhound, Sentinel, Hippogryph, Chimera or Valkyrie
• It does not add any wounds to the vehicle it joins. It's not a vehicle, its just a leader attached.
 Can issue 2 Squadron Orders. Vox Net (12” range)
 NEW Ability: at the start of your shooting phase, you can select one visible target within 18". Increase detection range by 3” and ALL [Astra Militarum] models have [Sustained hits 1] against that target.

Is the idea here that these guys basically just increase the cost of the vehicle and give it additional special abilities? Almost like an enhancement? Essentially what the named tau and ultramarines tank commander characters were back in the day? If so, I almost wonder if these should literally just be enhancements?

Tank Commander special abilities seem fine if a bit niche. The free stratagem options almost feel like they should be handled closer to a captain's special ability. I.e. -1 to the cost of a strat that targets their unit once per round. That way, you get to show off your "commander" chops even when you aren't in a position to ram something or don't want to be leading the column to pop smoke. Then again, maybe it makes more sense for this ability to be a discount to *another* tank within X" so it feels more like a commander and less like an ace.

The recon commander granting your whole army sustained hits against a target feels kind of spicy, but you can probably balance it with a reasonable points cost.

• Commissar Sebastian Yarrick (leader)
 Counterstrategist. Range back to enemy within 9" of this UNIT, not model.
 Moderate points reduction.

Makes for a potentially huge aura on the ability, but probably not broken. Why the change?


• Marshall Dreir (leader)
 "Leading the charge". Add text: Additionally, when issuing orders to [Mounted] units, range increased to 12".
 "Saber of Sacrifice": Damage increased to D2. Anti-infantry down to 5+.
 Laspistol renamed to "Relic Laspistol". Attacks increased to 2A, Damage increased to D2.
• I dont even play krieg, but this guy is beyond awful. Improving his niche as mounted leader is the way to go I feel, not making him another Lord Solar.

For Guard, SH1 is almost as valuable as rerolling 1s to-hit and to-wound.

With Scout Sentinels giving RR1s to-hit too, a single Commander Sentinel gives a more than 50% boost to anything hitting on a 4+.

 JNAProductions wrote:
For Guard, SH1 is almost as valuable as rerolling 1s to-hit and to-wound.

With Scout Sentinels giving RR1s to-hit too, a single Commander Sentinel gives a more than 50% boost to anything hitting on a 4+.

Mmm, yeah that makes sense, you're right

What about only giving [Sustained Hits 1] to only [Regiment] and [Indirect Fire] units? it'd keep the role of Light Vehicle spotter for light artillery and infantry, and not abused by Rogal Dorn, Russes or Baneblades, a much weaker version.

 Wyldhunt wrote:

First of all, thank you so much for taking the time to answer so well, I really appreciate it

• NEW CHARACTER: Tank Commander (leader)
• NEW CHARACTER: Recon Commander (leader)

Is the idea here that these guys basically just increase the cost of the vehicle and give it additional special abilities? Almost like an enhancement? Essentially what the named tau and ultramarines tank commander characters were back in the day? If so, I almost wonder if these should literally just be enhancements?

Yes. Thing is, if it was just an enhancement, in order to have [Squadron] hitting on 3+, you’d need specific detachments when playing,… let’s say Recon guard or Siege. It’d make Lord Solar mandatory once again if you want to play anything that is not a Tank specific detachment, which should be avoided at all cost. But on the other hand, a different datasheet of Rogal Dorn and RDTC makes the very powerful tank a spamming unit like we’ve had, which is not ideal either. As an attachable leader, you’d keep the RD at 2 (or 3 at 2k point battles), rather than 6 like we’ve seem from time to time.