<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Roland Prime Insignia"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Roland Prime Insignia http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5121414.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5121414.page GMT Re:Roland Prime Insignia Personally I would bend the fluff about the gas masks a little bit. The Roland myth is about paladins defending the kingdom, but was moving to a freedom theme, when free cities of the empire erected a statue of Roland. In this sense that piece about the gas masks sounds to me like the sayword about medieval german cities, city air makes free! (being law that when a peasant fled his village and entered the walls of a city, after one year and one day he was a free man, his former lord had no longer any right over him),
So I would understand the Rolanders are lowering their gas masks only when they breath the air of freedom.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5122557.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5122557.page GMT Roland Prime Insignia

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Just found it! http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/Pr-Sa/Roland.html

Thanks for the suggestion. All units will have a stylized tusk on their shoulder plate, and command units will have a small broken sword. Roland will be named after a Cadian major who died in the liberation. With the war coming to an obvious conclusion the war boss tricked the imperial forces and attacked Narma Bastion. Alone, with only an infantry company and a few vehicles, he and his few men held the walls until the ork dead piled up so high that they had formed a ramp for the other orks and their strange war machines. The orks had jammed the vox's, blocking communication, and there fore refusing Roland his reinforcements. Roland knew there was no hope, but he would not go down without a fight. Giving two mighty blasts on the venerated ivory horn, the company charged forth from the wall. Las fire lanced into the ork ranks, moments before the bayonets of the Cadians fell upon the confused orks. Fighting his way towards the Ork boss, Roland slashed left and right with his mighty powersword: Durindana. The major brought the sword down but at the last minute the crafty warboss brought up his power claw. With a thunder clap of clashing energy the two weapon met. Crackling madly the ork slowly closed his claw. There was a flash of blinding light and the two figures were lying on the ground, ten metres apart. Coming to his senses, Roland grabbed the still sparking power sword, now snapped in half, and with one mighty leap brought it down. As he jumped the ork brought up his claw and Roland fell into the gap. The ork closed it on the mighty warrior and Rolands torso fell towards the ork. With only moments left in his life the Major pushed the broken sword just far enough, so that his momentum carried the jagged edge into the orks eye and down through his brain. As Roland fell to the ground, or what was left of him, he smiled up and the clear blue sky. His few remaining warriors rushed forwards to see their beloved commander, his eyes glazed over, and the ork. A look of confusion was fixed on what was left of its face as it fell from its knees, face first into the mud.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5122811.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5122811.page GMT Re:Roland Prime Insignia IoM...

Want to know more about Roland? The historical figure probably was Hruotland, count of Brittany under Charlemagne, who was ambushed and killed by a basque force at Roncevalles when leading the sternguard of Charlemagne's host back from Iberia in the aftermath of the campaign against the Moors.

The chansons de Roland were as popular as the Artus cycle in the middle ages, and Roland and his (mythical) fellow paladins were the paragon for the paladin class of Fantasy Role Play. Historically, "Paladinus" meant "member of the royal court".

In the medieval holy roman empire statues of Roland became symbols of free cities, who were directly submitted to the Crown and not to territorial rulers ("Reichsunmittelbarkeit" or "imperial immediacy"). Expecially the very self-aware cities of the Hanse, the great trading league of cities around baltic and north sea, erected them. Also in the wake of the eastern colonisation pushed by german emperors and kings throughout the middle ages, many cities now in eastern-european countries were granted the imperial immediacy and erected statues of Roland. One of the biggest and most beautiful Rolands stands on the town hall square of Bremen.
On this page of german wikipedia you will find pictures of Rolands. They all bear a drawn sword as a sign of jurisdiction and feudal independence.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_%28Statue%29

edit: oot: every connection between this and my sign is entirely not coincidence. I chose the nick and the pic because it has someting to do with my name. My grandma was angry with my parents: "why do you give him a dog's name?" As many watch dogs are given names of gods and heroes, neighbors' German Shepherd also was named Roland. She should have been content, though. I could have been named "Cerberus" or "Fluffy". ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5123312.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5123312.page GMT Re:Roland Prime Insignia TO BE fething SEPARATISTS! That's a funny story about your grandmother and your name.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5123669.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5123669.page GMT Re:Roland Prime Insignia
AND NO MY ARMY IS NOT GOING TO BE fething SEPARATISTS!


Feudal independency is not the same as separatism. if you draw the analogy to the historical interpretation of the Roland mythos, I thought more about the planet being not (yet) incorporated into the structures of sectorial government for being freed so recently, thus being a part of the empire similar to those free cities of the Reich. Proud and directly responding to terra, and fully aware of the special status they have. So I immediatly thought when I read about the gasmask thing, how pilgrims visit a shrine world somewhere, and because they see the local planetary governor a selfish and incompetent ruler not working for the best of the empire, they keep their gasmasks on while outside the shrine. Which would offend the local authorities, if they understood what's going on.

On the other hand, the "protector" element of the paladin mythos is a strong theme itself. Against xenos (in analogy to the heathens) and against enemies from within as well (in the myth, the big opponent is not the king of the moors, but a renegade paladin named Ganelon intriguing against charlemagne at the moorish court).

No, separatism is definitely not a part connected with the "Chanson de Roland"!

By the way, thought about integrating a knight/paladin theme to your guard army by using wfb parts? Like, a very prominent rough rider platoon? done in the old rogue trader ig style, which was inspired of the napoleonic war, using shining breastplates and dragoon helmets with crests for command section? Or, close combat sentinels wielding power blades resembling those drawn swords of the statues? How about command sections featuring parade uniforms and ceremonial swords like mordian iron guard, only with feather-crested helmets, maybe berets with feathers on? Tanks with murals where you can copy some "St Georg killing the dragon" or "Roland blowing the horn making his last Stand" pictures?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5128609.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5128609.page GMT Re:Roland Prime Insignia
Unlike many in the imperial guard they believe in the preservation of life. This of course clashes with the ideals of the more... harsh... commissars. Finally on the topic of rough riders. I will link you to my dakkadakka blog so you can find out a little bit of my goal. Once I have played the apocalpyse game I will expand the army, making the 1st regiment and a cavalry regiment. I personally really dislike the new mongolian style and would probably go for something more along the lines of Boar war or very early world war 1. Really love the idea of a heroic, but ill fated, charge of the light brigade style thing. If I can get the money together I will try and play the cavalry in the apocalypse game because that could provide some great entertainment, and a lot of fun for the lucky bugger who can use his super heavy tanks against a cavalry charge.

I was planning on actually putting "nose art" on all of my tanks (which will be a tonne!). Right now I am looking at 9 basilisks, 9 leman russes, 2 baneblades, 1 shadow sword, as well as chimeras, a support regiment consisting of trojans, atlasses and hyrdas and a mixed artillery company consisting of bombards, manticores. Also a close support company consisting of medusas, a couple more leman russes with close range load outs and those heavy mortars. can't remember what they are called (they don't look very heavy compared to what I have just listed, Ya check out my blog and you will see the task ahead of me!

In terms of the mordian look: I personally don't like it, thinking that they look like a bunch of big wigs. On the other hand, my guys are supposed to be, well noobs. I am ATM righting a novel about them. If you want I could email it to you, it would give you a feel of what my guys are like and some of the characters. I think that covers most of your points. Thanks so much for all the advice, this has really helped!

Here is the blog http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/497058.page


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Ooh, also forgot to mention ogryns. Wanted to mention that I was going to have an ogryn auxillia. Maybe there was a small settlement living on the planet since before the orks were there. The orks never attacked in strength as (at least in a BL book I read) orks respect Ogryns. Any ways, I love the idea of ogryns. They're so... dare I say it... cute! They're so loyal and simple, and yet quite good in game to for counter assault. Was thinking of one of my heavy weapons teams having an ogryn carrying a gun and a man firing it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5129140.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5129140.page GMT Re:Roland Prime Insignia
About your fluff, I'll send you a pm with my email. Would like to read it.

Well, to answer your question about feudal independency: I imagine the planet and it's citizen feeling subject to nobody but the emperor (and in his mental absence, the adeptus terra) alone. Let the planet be united under a benevolent dictatorship of one or the other sorts, be it a burgomaster, a Supreme Citizen, a vice king, a Governor, or whatever. Why not, a First Paladin, advised by a Counsel Of Paldins a la "table ronde", everyone of them leader of a military body? And everyone who wants the rights of a citizen hase to serve in the PDF first, a la Heinleins "star ship troopers"?

But in the end my idea is not so much about how the planet is ruled, but that it does not belong to any sectorial gouvernment. The medieval german cities were free in the sense they were not subjects to a Duke, Count, the Church or anyone else, but they were directly under the rule of the Crown. This meant the Kaiser granted them the right to take taxes and toll, to make laws, to have their own courts and judges, etc.
Everybody outside of these cities was under protection and control of their land owner, this not only meant if they felt they were done wrong, they had to pledge for justice with their Lord. It also meant if their lord abused his power, they were his helpless prey. Their only chance was to run away. When they did so, and found shelter in a city for a year and a day, there were granted freedom from their Landlord.
The Roland statues were symbols of this freedom. But first and most, they were symbols of the city dedicating itself to the Crown, as opposite as to, lets say, the Duke of Brunswik. The King or Kaiser granted the "Landfrieden" or public peace, and a strong Kaiser was the guardian for the rights of the free cities. In this sense I imagine, citizen of an imperial Planet Rolandia would always be fierce supporters of the empire, never would they think of independence! But they would be terrible subjects for any sectorial or sub-sectorial governor following his own agenda. And concerning the commissioners, well, I think you are completely right. They would be SO upset by the thought someone doubted their loyalty... The same goes to the ecclesiarchy, I think. They would be devout followers of the emperor's cult - but woe to the preacher claiming their hearts foul and their minds weak!

Well I hope you see clearly now what I meant with "feudal independence". But feel free to use my ideas, or not! In the end it is your tale, and I am looking very forward what you will do with it. The whole Roland epos reflects the philosophy of the 40k empire perfectly, could have been written as a piece of imperial propaganda about Our Good Emperor Whose Servants Protect Us. The fact you stumbled over it more or less by chance makes it the more fascinating!
So far I hadn't given you a link because I myself could only give you titles and isbn numbers of books in german as sources. But now I have discovered there is also an english translation of the medieval tale online: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/roland-ohag.asp If you are not content with the summary in wikipedia, you might want to try it.

By the way, do you know the old Rogue era imperial guard models? They would have been perfect for your army, the grunts being no-nonsense helmet-and-flak-west-soldiers, the bigheads wearing napoleonic war style cuirass armor and having cavalry style plume crests on their helmets... and yet they blended perfectly together. The rough riders had the same style. Too sad they are no more. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5131069.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5131069.page GMT Re:Roland Prime Insignia
I is important to remember that although Roland Primes forefathers were Cadians, which serves as inspirational tales from the commissarat, all the regiments are brand new. They have never seen combat. For example, my normal 1500 point army is 3 platoons. Each consists of 3 infantry squads, 2 heavy weapon squads and a platoon command. Along with these 3 platoons there is a CCS and (haven't decided yet) two basilisks and one leman russ or three basilisks from the 3rd Mechanized regiment. But all the infantry makes up the first company of the 2nd rifles regiment. In fact the leader of the CCS is Colonel George Rayek, who you will read about when I am able to send you the story later today. Rayek, as I stated earlier, is well meaning and cares for his mens lives. He just doesn't really know gak about war!

I will also link you to my apocalypse list (which no one has given any suggestions to ) so you can tell a little bit more about regiment composition. Don't bother posting fluff suggestions there because we all know how that go's over with the competitive players but if you have any suggestions for what I should add then feel free to let me know here or by PM. I am trying to get a hold of the organizer of the game to make it 7000 points so I can have some more room to work with.

Now for how my guys are going to look. At first I was going to do normal Cadians with grey fatigues and slightly redish brown flak armor. But then I found this page. I have just ordered 200 heads so I can make my guys have the gas masks, as well as replacing the Cadian helmets which I am not a big fan of.
http://www.pig-iron-productions.com/hd10-kolony-militia-covered-helmet-head-sprues-p-19.html for my normal troopers. Got 160 of these. It may be 140 I just realized. I'll find out when they arrive
http://www.pig-iron-productions.com/hd12-kolony-hq-head-sprues-p-20.html for officers and some sergeants/special weapons. Got 20 of these
http://www.pig-iron-productions.com/hd3-kolony-inner-guard-head-sprues-p-14.html not sure who I am going to use these for but I ordered a pack of 20

I think that covers everything so far. Here is my apocalypse list, let me know what you think. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/497756.page





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Oh, and almost forgot. The name "Rolanders" and the planet name "Roland Prime" I literally pulled straight out of my ass. First I was going to call them Fortis Binars (from the Gaunts Ghost books) but decided I wanted to do something completely original. I thought for a minute and the name Roland came to mind. Seriously had never in my entire life had heard it before. It's really quite extraordinary. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5131464.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5131464.page GMT Re:Roland Prime Insignia No air cavalry though? I mean, you can't have everything, but - well, without air support you might get in trouble, don't you think? One hydra tank is not much help there, I would guess.

I cannot say much about how "Paladinian council" sounds. Remember my mother language is german, whatever you make from it will sound at least a little bit eerie. But seems ok.

The idea that all your troops are green is neat! There is the optimism of the noob, eager to fight and marching to battle singing... I bet they even have the bayonets planted on while charging! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5131937.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5131937.page GMT Re:Roland Prime Insignia Btw. Had a nice idea about this "noob" theme. What do you think: modelling one squad of tactical rifles kneeling while shooting, the second standing while shooting, the third maybe guns on parade or changing las-packs? Then you could pose the whole platoon like some gun-line with three rows, the CO of course raising his chain sabre to give command to fire... Something stupid from the handbook like only a noob officer would order. On the other hand, while shooting is so incredibly nerfed in 40k in comparison with real world, behind an aegis line you could even come through with that...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5136765.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5136765.page GMT Re:Roland Prime Insignia http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5144217.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/497227/5144217.page GMT