stubacca wrote:How come you'd use the axe over the sword?

 Brother Payne wrote:

Bear in mind mind with the DC list there are no scoring and tabling the opponent is really only viable if they bring a non-shooty list with less than 2 vehicles... and no fliers. Literally the only thing that can even attempt fliers is the DC bolters, but then you'll be wanting pistols anyway. Have fun with that. Also you only anti-tank is the dread so if that dies... Or gets stuck in combat (which it quite well might)...

Poly Ranger wrote:
Yeh shield is a better shout! I included lance for a bit more AT, which isn't too needed at 500pts.

 soomemafia wrote:
Good to hear!! With what list did you end up playing?
Also what army did you face?

Poly Ranger wrote:
Oh don't worry about flyers. If anyone is daft enough to bring a flyer at 500pts you will table them!

 stubacca wrote:

 soomemafia wrote:
Good to hear!! With what list did you end up playing?
Also what army did you face?

I went for the Reclusiarch, drop pod + dreadnought, and 7 death company (one with a combi flamer) and that's a round 500 points. I've never used any of those units before, so that's my appea

I played against against Orks, they were nobz, about 20 of them. I managed to table him, the death company are beasts! The dice gods were on my side though aha

 XdeadpoolX wrote:

Poly Ranger wrote:
Oh don't worry about flyers. If anyone is daft enough to bring a flyer at 500pts you will table them!

Overlord
Mss
War scythe
Res orb
155

5 warriors
Night scythe
165

10 immortals
170

Flyer in 500

 soomemafia wrote:
Overall I think that a succesful BA list has four parts in it:
1. Assault Squads. Our best Troops choice hands down.
2. Fast vehicles. The 20p heavy weapon platforms that can move 12" and fire it's TL weapon is one reason why I like Assault squads.
3. Sanguinary Priests. FnP for your assault squads (see the theme here?).
4. ???? The Ace up your sleeve. But since we have no true Aces, let's call it a Jack of Diamonds. Your Chemical X, your hidden blade that your enemy can't quite expect and be the fun part of your army! Death Company, TH termies, SR, LR, Libby Dreadnought.

These four parts I concider when making my own lists with BA. Most of the time I don't bother with trying to play competitive, I just aim for a good game!

 soomemafia wrote:

4. ???? The Ace up your sleeve. But since we have no true Aces, let's call it a Jack of Diamonds. Your Chemical X, your hidden blade that your enemy can't quite expect and be the fun part of your army! Death Company, TH termies, SR, LR, Libby Dreadnought.

 Brother Payne wrote:

 soomemafia wrote:
Overall I think that a succesful BA list has four parts in it:
1. Assault Squads. Our best Troops choice hands down.
2. Fast vehicles. The 20p heavy weapon platforms that can move 12" and fire it's TL weapon is one reason why I like Assault squads.
3. Sanguinary Priests. FnP for your assault squads (see the theme here?).
4. ???? The Ace up your sleeve. But since we have no true Aces, let's call it a Jack of Diamonds. Your Chemical X, your hidden blade that your enemy can't quite expect and be the fun part of your army! Death Company, TH termies, SR, LR, Libby Dreadnought.

These four parts I concider when making my own lists with BA. Most of the time I don't bother with trying to play competitive, I just aim for a good game!

All well and good but you missed furioso w frag cannon and the Baal Pred...

 OIIIIIIO wrote:
I quit trying to win with the BA's when sixth came out ... we got hit with the nerf bat, run over by the nerf bus, and buried by the nerf avalanche ... but this has an interesting twist to it. If you do not care if you do not win, you have nothing to lose. I took a 2,000 point all DC list, and took a list where I had Mephy and Sangy (with an axe) running around near a squad of Sang. Guard with a Chapter Banner and a Sang. Priest in it ... talk about assault monsters ... OMG. What one could not handle the others could.

Sigh ... I am looking forward to a new codex ... hope it is this year.

All of those lists look like fun to run.

 soomemafia wrote:
@ Brother Payne
Baal Predator is included to the fast tanks and Fragioso is in the ?????-section.

@ Glorywarrior
Same as above, I just gave a few examples there

 Brother Payne wrote:
Yes the Baal's a fast tank, but as far as I'm aware he was referring to razorbacks. Anyway, no need to make a big deal out of nothing

 stubacca wrote:
It'd be awesome if the codex was re-done for this edition. I don't know how they'd make it advantageous to play an 'assault army' when everyone has over watch etc especially the Tau and their over watch bonus

Martel732 wrote:

 stubacca wrote:
It'd be awesome if the codex was re-done for this edition. I don't know how they'd make it advantageous to play an 'assault army' when everyone has over watch etc especially the Tau and their over watch bonus

It won't be. Hopefully BA get shootier.

 rossp8 wrote:
I play Blood Angels and you will have your back to the wall compared to most codexes. Others have more fire power and more units. Really the only thing you have is maneuverability. So try to find a weak flank, swarm to it, and fold their army. I tend to have a small detachment on the field in the beginning and use lots of drop pods and stormravens. Win or lose my turn two is always entertaining.

stubacca wrote:

 rossp8 wrote:
I play Blood Angels and you will have your back to the wall compared to most codexes. Others have more fire power and more units. Really the only thing you have is maneuverability. So try to find a weak flank, swarm to it, and fold their army. I tend to have a small detachment on the field in the beginning and use lots of drop pods and stormravens. Win or lose my turn two is always entertaining.

That's going to be the hard thing, at the minute I have one drop pod, a death company Dread and 1 HQ with 10 death company. Either the dread or the troops will have to footslog across a game board lol

 Brother Payne wrote:

stubacca wrote:

 rossp8 wrote:
I play Blood Angels and you will have your back to the wall compared to most codexes. Others have more fire power and more units. Really the only thing you have is maneuverability. So try to find a weak flank, swarm to it, and fold their army. I tend to have a small detachment on the field in the beginning and use lots of drop pods and stormravens. Win or lose my turn two is always entertaining.

That's going to be the hard thing, at the minute I have one drop pod, a death company Dread and 1 HQ with 10 death company. Either the dread or the troops will have to footslog across a game board lol

Just reiterating what I said before...

Brother Payne wrote:Seriously consider adding another 2 DC and sticking them and the dread in a stormraven. That makes for one mean combo.
Then I'd suggest and assault squad (maybe in the pod seeing as you got it) for some scoring.
Then finally maybe a second assault squad in a razorback (only 120pts barebones) or scouts. Definitely another scoring unit though, at 1000 tabling is no longer quite so viable

Take a stormraven! It can carry both the DC and the dread, then you've got a pod for another unit

 soomemafia wrote:

Reclusiarch

DC Dread in Drop Pod (this might actually work with Raven if you want to go with a single Pod)
9x Death Company in Drop Pod

5 Assault Marines, Razorback
5 Assault Marines, Razorback

Storm Raven
= 945p

This leaves some points for upgrades. I recommend having meltaguns on both ASM, Power Fist on Death Company and Heavy flamer on the Dreadnought. That'll bring you to 1000 points with powerful DC strike, some scoring that will provide minor fire support and a Raven for anti-air/AT

 Glorywarrior wrote:
Just curious, why not a melta? We have DC and DC dreadnought and their chainswords to take out swarm, I think it would be good to give them the ability to easily take out tanks.

Poly Ranger wrote:
Stormraven is ace against tanks. A dc dread usually struggles to catch one mind. But when it does, 6 st7 attacks on rear armour is usually very nice.

Poly Ranger wrote:
I would make 2 slight changes to the above list. Take off the reclusiarch and 1 death co member. Add in a libby (so the death co still get rerolls to hit if not wound, or even better - cast prescience on the dread.) Then you can afford the points for a third assault squad with flamer in a pod. Now you have 3 pods so the death co and dread come down together.

 Brother Payne wrote:
Well played! Three troops for a whole army is impressive even with the rerolls!

 Brother Payne wrote:
You mean of all thing the rhino's storm bolter killed two of your psychos?!

 soomemafia wrote:

 Brother Payne wrote:
You mean of all thing the rhino's storm bolter killed two of your psychos?!

That Rhino driver was given Terminator Honors after the battle.
Or... would've been given if he had survived.

 Brother Payne wrote:
You mean of all thing the rhino's storm bolter killed two of your psychos?!

 stubacca wrote:

 Brother Payne wrote:
You mean of all thing the rhino's storm bolter killed two of your psychos?!

haha yep. To be honest, I was stupidly lucky, I got the warlord trait that grants +1 to your assault range, I was 12" away from assault and rolled a double six, my FNP rolls only failed 3 times, the drop pod landed where I wanted it. Yeh, the dice gods were on my side.

I think that's my plan for the 1000 points, just hope I get first turn and drop as much stuff as I can, that he can't ignore behind his lines. The Dreadnought ruined his game plan yesterday, his HQ was in the rhino and it was one of two things that could hurt a dreadnought, so he had to jump out and get killed

 Brother Payne wrote:

stubacca wrote:

 rossp8 wrote:
I play Blood Angels and you will have your back to the wall compared to most codexes. Others have more fire power and more units. Really the only thing you have is maneuverability. So try to find a weak flank, swarm to it, and fold their army. I tend to have a small detachment on the field in the beginning and use lots of drop pods and stormravens. Win or lose my turn two is always entertaining.

That's going to be the hard thing, at the minute I have one drop pod, a death company Dread and 1 HQ with 10 death company. Either the dread or the troops will have to footslog across a game board lol

Just reiterating what I said before...

Brother Payne wrote:Seriously consider adding another 2 DC and sticking them and the dread in a stormraven. That makes for one mean combo.
Then I'd suggest and assault squad (maybe in the pod seeing as you got it) for some scoring.
Then finally maybe a second assault squad in a razorback (only 120pts barebones) or scouts. Definitely another scoring unit though, at 1000 tabling is no longer quite so viable

Take a stormraven! It can carry both the DC and the dread, then you've got a pod for another unit

 Brother Payne wrote:
This is a good start

Libby - axe
Sang Priest w melta bombs
2x assault squad - razorback
Ball Pred - hvy bolter sponsons

Exactly 500. That's about as good as it comes. Only issue is no AA...

Glorywarrior wrote:I would not use the Typhoon and get hurricane bolters... also, your razorback should have something good...

 Brother Payne wrote:

Glorywarrior wrote:I would not use the Typhoon and get hurricane bolters... also, your razorback should have something good...

I have to disagree on both accounts. At 100pts he need the extra AT capabilities. Typhoons can deal with light armour and infantry easily whereas the hurricanes are a bit more restrictive. Regarding the razor, I find that everything else is to expensive for what it's worth. The TL heavy bolters work well to support the assault's squad capabilities too.

 Brother Payne wrote:
On the raven, definitely keep the AC - if you can afford it get hurricane sponsons and the typhoon ML too - if you only have points for 1 then take hurricane if you think you'll be against more hordes/infantry and the typhoon if you're expecting more MEQ/armour

For the barebones assault squad in the razor leave it exactly that - barebones - the razor too, not just the squad

For the JP squad, I like a power axe for that extra bit of AP2 and then a plas or two on regular marines. Tend not to give the sarge anything else (ie. infernus pistol) because he'll probably die in a challenge at some point.

For the DC, run with whatever you've got at the moment.

Hope that helps


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1000 on the dot:

HQ
Reclusiarch - 130

TROOPS
9 DC - 180
DC Dread - blood talons - 125
10 Assault - infernus pistol, power axe, Drop Pod - 220
5 Assault - Razorback - 120

HEAVY SUPPORT
Stormraven - typhoon ML - 225

Ended up going for an infernus after all (note: not on the sarge). So yeah, this should fare ok against most lists

 soomemafia wrote:

 Brother Payne wrote:

Glorywarrior wrote:I would not use the Typhoon and get hurricane bolters... also, your razorback should have something good...

I have to disagree on both accounts. At 100pts he need the extra AT capabilities. Typhoons can deal with light armour and infantry easily whereas the hurricanes are a bit more restrictive. Regarding the razor, I find that everything else is to expensive for what it's worth. The TL heavy bolters work well to support the assault's squad capabilities too.

So you think that 35 points is too much for a twin-linked Lascannon, but you're happy to pay 25 points for two krak missiles?