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Grim Burlocksson 165
Runesmith: rune of stone, 2 runes of spell breaking, great weapon 116
Runesmith: rune of spell breaking, shield 88
Thane: BsB: shield, Rune of Grugni 158

21 Quarrellers: great weapons, full command 326
21 Quarrellers: great weapons, full command 326

10 Slayers: standard, rune of slowness 165
Cannon 120
Cannon 120
Gyrocopter: Vanguard 100
Gyrocopter: Vanguard 100
Gyrocopter: 80

29 Iron drakes: full command, troll hammer, cindreblast, Rune of Slowness 535

Irondrakes + Grim Burlocksson = stupid good. 2 units of 30" range Thunderers with great weapons (because they've got armour piercing from the Runesmiths). Gyrocopter and slayers cause havoc. I just think redirectors that make people fail charge sounds brilliant. Though mainly Slayers because they may actually be viable in this book.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6545117.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6545117.page GMT Re:2400 Dwarf Gunline http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6546183.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6546183.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline

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Though checking the rulebook it looks like you're right and it may only work on CC attacks. That doesn't massively change the list though. They're still S5 armour piercing in combat .]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6546350.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6546350.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6548675.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6548675.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline
The change I was thinking was Strollaz rune on the Iron drakes so they are definitely in range turn 1. They can then back up 2" a turn as the enemy advances.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6548692.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6548692.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6548712.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6548712.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline
Short change means 1, maybe 2 rounds of shooting before being charged.

Can rune of slowness (not 100% on the new rules yet) be used on their banner to delay the enemy advance while also getting the benefit of stand and shoot vs said failed charges?

EDIT: My question, I suppose, is can you take multiple runes of slowness on the unit rather than just one?
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In 2 rounds of shooting I should kill on average 4 Skullcrushers (not counting stand and shoot) so they are pretty brutal.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6548756.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6548756.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline
Wondering if small units are worth their points (with the slowness rune)

Move up, shoot. Move up into charge lanes, shoot. Stand and shoot, hopefully stop a medium- long charge. Shoot again.

30 seems like a steep investment, even for the firepower you have stated. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6548873.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6548873.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline AP won't work on the shooting attacks
BRB says that AP only works in CC unless the shooting weapon specifically has AP in its profile]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6549336.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6549336.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline
No rerolls to hit so less effective shooting.
Only 18" range so likely a turn less of firing (no way to be in range turn 1).
Extra points spent on multiple slowness runes.
Can't fight in combat.

A big unit overcomes all these downsides. Hence why I went for it. The smaller units gain the advantage of more Troll hammer Torpedoes.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6549573.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6549573.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline
TanKoL wrote:
As said above, AP won't work on the shooting attacks
BRB says that AP only works in CC unless the shooting weapon specifically has AP in its profile


I'm confused here, in the rules section, each weapon has AP in the special rules. For example the brace of dwarf pistols:

Range 12"
Strength 4
Special rules: Armour piercing

Same weapon combat rules
the only special rules it has is, extra attack and requies 2 hands. So surely armour piercing will be in the shooting?

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Str 4
SR: Move or Fire
it doesn't have AP as a special rule
If you stick a runesmith in a unit of quarrelers, he will give them AP, the crossbows will NOT benefit from it though, as their profile doesn't state that they are AP]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6549685.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6549685.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline
TanKoL wrote:
Let's take a crossbow
Range 30
Str 4
SR: Move or Fire
it doesn't have AP as a special rule
If you stick a runesmith in a unit of quarrelers, he will give them AP, the crossbows will NOT benefit from it though, as their profile doesn't state that they are AP


Ah yes, i overlooked the fact that the crossbow is the only ranged weapon without AP!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6549693.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6549693.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline
Most non-black powder missile weapons aren't AP at all]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6549850.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6549850.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6551358.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6551358.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6551696.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6551696.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline

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Grim Burlocksson 165
Runesmith: Rune of Stone, Rune of Spellbreaking, Rune of Furnace, shield 98
Runesmith: Rune of Stone, Rune of Spellbreaking, shield 93
Thane: BsB: shield, Rune of Grugni, 2 Runes of Slowness 208

21 Quarrellers: great weapons, standard, musician 314
21 Quarrellers: great weapons, standard, musician 314

10 Slayers: standard, rune of slowness 165
Cannon 120
Cannon 120
Gyrocopter: Vanguard 100
Gyrocopter: Vanguard 100
Gyrocopter: 80

28 Iron drakes: full command, troll hammer, cindreblast, Strollaz Rune 520

How about that? Gets strollaz in the Irondrakes but they still have charge protection with 2 slowness runes making it better and they can just walk backwards 2" a turn shooting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6551717.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6551717.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6551830.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6551830.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6551872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6551872.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline
28 Iron drakes: full command, troll hammer, cindreblast, Strollaz Rune 520


Am i missing something here, i thought the cinderblast was taken by the unit champ, can he take them AND the trollhammer?
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 FlingitNow wrote:
Yeah champ can take both. Trollhammer is slow to fire so you can't stand and shoot with it. Cindreblast you can, so you get a stand and shoot with a mini-stone thrower and as its 8" range you count as short range for your drakeguns. Thus you hit on 4+ with your stand and shoot instead of 5+.


Thats a bit naughty for an otherwise "balanced" unit.

if you could only take 1 due to points, which would you take?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6553034.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6553034.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6553043.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6553043.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline
 FlingitNow wrote:
Trollhammer probably. Its tough though. Troll hammer is the better gun but as the bombs basically give the whole unit +1 to hit in stand and shoot for 15 points they are a little bit good.


I'll say, may well have to drop a drake for that.

And there was me thinking i wouldn't find anything i was willing to drop a drake for.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6553050.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6553050.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6553074.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6553074.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline
 FlingitNow wrote:
You'll still have 19.


19 isn't 20 though is it.

plus 19 is such an unsymmetrical number.

It would drive me spare for 2 reasons. 1. its 19 2. its leaving a pretty model i have brought on the permanent sidelines. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6553083.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6553083.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6553157.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6553157.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline
 FlingitNow wrote:
But it makes the unit fill out perfectly with a character in there. Or drop to 18 if you're taking 2 characters and want that Symmetry.


i guess, shall we carry on this discussion in my thread rather than hijacking yours mate?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6553179.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6553179.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline
 FlingitNow wrote:
the bombs basically give the whole unit +1 to hit in stand and shoot for 15 points they are a little bit good.
Im still getting back into Fantasy after many years away.
Could you explain this one please? I can't see anything in the bomb rules that would effect the whole unit. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6553722.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6553722.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6553817.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6553817.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6554846.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6554846.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline
 FlingitNow wrote:
Its in the stand and shoot rules. You always count as being in range of the shortest ranged weapon in the unit. In this case 8" which is then short range for the drake guns so they hit on 4s.


Surely though because their weapons are dwarf created, they don't receive the -1 modifier in stand and shoot?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6556067.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6556067.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline
 randomtoaster wrote:
 FlingitNow wrote:
Its in the stand and shoot rules. You always count as being in range of the shortest ranged weapon in the unit. In this case 8" which is then short range for the drake guns so they hit on 4s.


Surely though because their weapons are dwarf created, they don't receive the -1 modifier in stand and shoot?


they don't suffer -1 for stand and shoot, but if the enemy charges from more than 9" away they would still suffer the long range -1.

at least i think thats what Flingitnow is getting at?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6556099.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6556099.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline
 mixer86 wrote:
 randomtoaster wrote:
 FlingitNow wrote:
Its in the stand and shoot rules. You always count as being in range of the shortest ranged weapon in the unit. In this case 8" which is then short range for the drake guns so they hit on 4s.


Surely though because their weapons are dwarf created, they don't receive the -1 modifier in stand and shoot?


they don't suffer -1 for stand and shoot, but if the enemy charges from more than 9" away they would still suffer the long range -1.

at least i think thats what Flingitnow is getting at?


Ahh I see, i've got back into fantasy, so i'm just trying to get my head around the rules again]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6556125.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6556125.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6556165.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6556165.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline
 FlingitNow wrote:
Mixer86 has it. You take a -1 to hit if your opponent is charging from more than 9" away (which will be almost every charge you ever face) so counting as being within 8" means that you never suffer that penalty even if your opponent is charging from 22" away.


I got a ruling right! YAY!

not to mention the fact that makes irondrakes even more filthy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6556232.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6556232.page GMT Re:2400 Dwarf Gunline

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It follows the rules for Stone Throwers.
After the BRB errata page 109 now states:

"Unless specified otherwise, all weapons in this section (and all other weapons mounted on war machines) have the Move or Fire and Slow to Fire special rules."

In the case of "Move or Fire" it is specified otherwise. But it looks like CInderblast must follow the rules for Slow to Fire.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6567565.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6567565.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline FaQ that the Ironblaster couldn't stand and shoot. Where as the entire function of this weapon appears to be as a stand and shoot. Iron Breakers are going to charge if within 8" and Irondrakes can take it alongside the Troll hammer (which can't stand and shoot). So to me the entire function of this weapon is as a stand and shoot reaction.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6567616.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6567616.page GMT 2400 Dwarf Gunline
So not being a warmachine is irrelevant, using the rules for Stone Throwers is what makes it Slow to Fire. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6567633.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/580103/6567633.page GMT