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Straight up gunline. Trollslayers for interference Gyrocopters because of awesome!

Grim Burlocksson 165
Runesmith: rune of stone, 2 runes of spell breaking, great weapon 116
Runesmith: rune of spell breaking, shield 88
Thane: BsB: shield, Rune of Grugni 158

21 Quarrellers: great weapons, full command 326
21 Quarrellers: great weapons, full command 326

10 Slayers: standard, rune of slowness 165
Cannon 120
Cannon 120
Gyrocopter: Vanguard 100
Gyrocopter: Vanguard 100
Gyrocopter: 80

29 Iron drakes: full command, troll hammer, cindreblast, Rune of Slowness 535

Irondrakes + Grim Burlocksson = stupid good. 2 units of 30" range Thunderers with great weapons (because they've got armour piercing from the Runesmiths). Gyrocopter and slayers cause havoc. I just think redirectors that make people fail charge sounds brilliant. Though mainly Slayers because they may actually be viable in this book.

In regards to your quarrellers the armour peircing rule doesn't confer to shooting attacks, only close combat attacks. I don't have my book yet but from what i've heard

No you just gain the armour piercing rule. Nothing in the Army Book states it only applies to close combat.


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Though checking the rulebook it looks like you're right and it may only work on CC attacks. That doesn't massively change the list though. They're still S5 armour piercing in combat .

What was the rationale for all cannons and no organ guns?

No Rare points after taking Iron drakes. Simple as that. I could drop 10 irondrakes for an organ gun. But then Grimm buffs one or the other this way he buffs the entire rare selection. I just feel 10 Irondrakes hitting on 5s with rerolls will do more for me than 1 organ gun.

The change I was thinking was Strollaz rune on the Iron drakes so they are definitely in range turn 1. They can then back up 2" a turn as the enemy advances.

Thanks. I just picked up the book and am thinking of reviving my dwarf army that hasn't seen the light of day since 3rd ed and am trying to come up to speed on the current ed.

Curious on how the Iron Drakes will play.

Short change means 1, maybe 2 rounds of shooting before being charged.

Can rune of slowness (not 100% on the new rules yet) be used on their banner to delay the enemy advance while also getting the benefit of stand and shoot vs said failed charges?

EDIT: My question, I suppose, is can you take multiple runes of slowness on the unit rather than just one?

you can take up to 3 runes of slowness. The way I understand, the enemy declares the charge, you get to stand and shoot, then you work out the Rune's modifier to the charge distance.

You can take multiple runes of slowness but they have different effects. Remember Grimm can up their range by 2d6 in the early game too. The basic one is -d6" from any unit charging the Iron drakes (2 runes is -2d6 pick the highest). As stand and shoots are resolved long before charge distances are rolled I certainly do get to stand and shoot and can still make them fail charge.

In 2 rounds of shooting I should kill on average 4 Skullcrushers (not counting stand and shoot) so they are pretty brutal.

Very nice, in theory.

Wondering if small units are worth their points (with the slowness rune)

Move up, shoot. Move up into charge lanes, shoot. Stand and shoot, hopefully stop a medium- long charge. Shoot again.

30 seems like a steep investment, even for the firepower you have stated.

As said above, AP won't work on the shooting attacks
BRB says that AP only works in CC unless the shooting weapon specifically has AP in its profile

Smaller units of Iron drakes have the following downsides:

No rerolls to hit so less effective shooting.
Only 18" range so likely a turn less of firing (no way to be in range turn 1).
Extra points spent on multiple slowness runes.
Can't fight in combat.

A big unit overcomes all these downsides. Hence why I went for it. The smaller units gain the advantage of more Troll hammer Torpedoes.

TanKoL wrote:
As said above, AP won't work on the shooting attacks
BRB says that AP only works in CC unless the shooting weapon specifically has AP in its profile

I'm confused here, in the rules section, each weapon has AP in the special rules. For example the brace of dwarf pistols:

Range 12"
Strength 4
Special rules: Armour piercing

Same weapon combat rules
the only special rules it has is, extra attack and requies 2 hands. So surely armour piercing will be in the shooting?

Let's take a crossbow
Range 30
Str 4
SR: Move or Fire
it doesn't have AP as a special rule
If you stick a runesmith in a unit of quarrelers, he will give them AP, the crossbows will NOT benefit from it though, as their profile doesn't state that they are AP

TanKoL wrote:
Let's take a crossbow
Range 30
Str 4
SR: Move or Fire
it doesn't have AP as a special rule
If you stick a runesmith in a unit of quarrelers, he will give them AP, the crossbows will NOT benefit from it though, as their profile doesn't state that they are AP

Ah yes, i overlooked the fact that the crossbow is the only ranged weapon without AP!

In the stunties book yes
Most non-black powder missile weapons aren't AP at all

Just realised I have two units with a rune of slowness I'll drop an Irondrake for a 2nd Rune of Slowness on their banner.

Personally i'd put Strollaz rune on the irondrakes, get them into range alot quicker

Yeah I could go strollaz. I was considering that. I've realised I can't up their range with Grim which makes strollaz more attractive. I'm a little worried about putting them that far out there particularly with no slowness to protect them.


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Grim Burlocksson 165
Runesmith: Rune of Stone, Rune of Spellbreaking, Rune of Furnace, shield 98
Runesmith: Rune of Stone, Rune of Spellbreaking, shield 93
Thane: BsB: shield, Rune of Grugni, 2 Runes of Slowness 208

21 Quarrellers: great weapons, standard, musician 314
21 Quarrellers: great weapons, standard, musician 314

10 Slayers: standard, rune of slowness 165
Cannon 120
Cannon 120
Gyrocopter: Vanguard 100
Gyrocopter: Vanguard 100
Gyrocopter: 80

28 Iron drakes: full command, troll hammer, cindreblast, Strollaz Rune 520

How about that? Gets strollaz in the Irondrakes but they still have charge protection with 2 slowness runes making it better and they can just walk backwards 2" a turn shooting.

I like that revised list, the gyrocopters could escort the irondrakes upfield and deal with any flankers. Looking at the irondrakes stats I think they can hold their own fairly well against most in combat

Yeah they're pretty solid in combat basically longbeards with shields. But they are brutal at range and won't beat a serious combat unit (unless its got flaming attacks). But 2 runes of slowness should keep them out of too much harms way. Gets rerolling shooting from turn 1 so thank you for the suggestions. I'll have slayers for a flank too remember.

28 Iron drakes: full command, troll hammer, cindreblast, Strollaz Rune 520

Am i missing something here, i thought the cinderblast was taken by the unit champ, can he take them AND the trollhammer?

Yeah champ can take both. Trollhammer is slow to fire so you can't stand and shoot with it. Cindreblast you can, so you get a stand and shoot with a mini-stone thrower and as its 8" range you count as short range for your drakeguns. Thus you hit on 4+ with your stand and shoot instead of 5+.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Yeah champ can take both. Trollhammer is slow to fire so you can't stand and shoot with it. Cindreblast you can, so you get a stand and shoot with a mini-stone thrower and as its 8" range you count as short range for your drakeguns. Thus you hit on 4+ with your stand and shoot instead of 5+.

Thats a bit naughty for an otherwise "balanced" unit.

if you could only take 1 due to points, which would you take?

Trollhammer probably. Its tough though. Troll hammer is the better gun but as the bombs basically give the whole unit +1 to hit in stand and shoot for 15 points they are a little bit good.

 FlingitNow wrote:
Trollhammer probably. Its tough though. Troll hammer is the better gun but as the bombs basically give the whole unit +1 to hit in stand and shoot for 15 points they are a little bit good.

I'll say, may well have to drop a drake for that.

And there was me thinking i wouldn't find anything i was willing to drop a drake for.

You'll still have 19.

 FlingitNow wrote:
You'll still have 19.

19 isn't 20 though is it.

plus 19 is such an unsymmetrical number.

It would drive me spare for 2 reasons. 1. its 19 2. its leaving a pretty model i have brought on the permanent sidelines.

But it makes the unit fill out perfectly with a character in there. Or drop to 18 if you're taking 2 characters and want that Symmetry.

 FlingitNow wrote:
But it makes the unit fill out perfectly with a character in there. Or drop to 18 if you're taking 2 characters and want that Symmetry.

i guess, shall we carry on this discussion in my thread rather than hijacking yours mate?