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				<description><![CDATA[ <a href="http://montgomerycountypolicereporter.com/sexual-relationship-puts-brother-and-sister-in-jail" target="_new" rel="nofollow">SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP PUTS BROTHER AND SISTER IN JAIL</a><br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Friday afternoon  Montgomery County Precinct 4 Deputy Constables were dispatched to the Porter Wal-Mart in reference to a shoplifter.  When they arrived Loss Prevention officers directed them to their office where they had Charlene Marie Ellet detained for shoplifting. Ellet told deputies her brother Cameron Beck, age 26, had driven her to Wal-Mart along with her two 2-year-old twins.  A short time later Beck appeared at the Loss Prevention Office looking for his sister.<br /> <br /> Deputies then went to the vehicle and after getting consent searched it. Inside they found a backpack with a bag inside it, Inside the bag were a light bulb with burn marks and  a cut pen with a crystal substance on it. That material tested positive for Methamphetamine. Ellet admitted she and Beck had smoked the meth approximately two weeks prior.<br /> <br /> Both were places in custody for possession of a controlled substance. It was at that point Beck asked if they could just charge his sister as she had a clean record.<br /> <br /> In addition Ellet was issued a citation for shoplifting under $50.<br /> <br /> When they arrived back at the office both were placed in adjoining cells. As deputies worked on the booking reports they witnessed Beck and Ellet kissing each other on the lips through the bars. One of the deputies questioned what they had told them earlier about being brother and sister and Ellet admitted they were.<br /> <br /> Ellet was then removed and taken back to another office and questioned about the strange relationship. She told them she was adopted and had the same biological mother but a different father. She stated that Beck had been in prison and they had been writing each other. He was released in November of last year.<br /> <br /> She also stated that they had been staying in a motel and her, Beck and the twin girls were sleeping in the same bed. She admitted to being involved in a sexual relationship with her brother since his release.<br /> <br /> She explained that the room had a partition and the children would stay on  the other side of the partition when she and her brother had sex.  Other times she and her brother would just go to the bathroom.<br /> <br /> The children were released to Ellet’s sister.<br /> <br /> Ellet and Beck were both placed in the Montgomery County Jail for possession of controlled substance and prohibited sexual conduct.<br /> <br /> <img src="http://montgomerycountypolicereporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/beck.jpg" border="0" /> <img src="http://montgomerycountypolicereporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/ellet.jpg" border="0" /><br /> <br /> </div></blockquote>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I... Well...<br /> <br /> Yeah, I'm not sure how to react to this. Just seems dumb.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You could say they're... <br /> <br /> *puts on sunglasses*<br /> <br /> Paying their debts.]]></description>
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				<title>Re:And Jaime Lannister shrugged, and asked: &quot;Was that wrong? Should they not have done that?&quot;</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I like how both of these degenerates look like they have no idea why they're under arrest.   <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">   No shame whatsoever.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/dced7f76f550c255c81daad8b7737b41.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6595154.page"><b>LordofHats wrote:</b></a><br/>You could say they're... <br /> <br /> *puts on subglasses*<br /> <br /> Paying their debts.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well played, sir.  <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Why would you consent to a search if you had meth?<br /> <br /> And then kissing each other in a police station?<br /> <br /> Clearly not the first relatives having sex in the family shrub.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ strange...  why on earth would kissing your relative be illegal?<br /> <br /> OBS its gross, disgusting, breaches biblical codes and so on, but if other sexual preferences that some consider "too much" are ok, why not that?<br /> <br /> <br /> sick sick couple though, glad they are finally caught and the kids taken away to a safer home hopefully.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>strange... why on earth would kissing your relative be illegal? <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Incest is illegal in a lot of US states I think, but like sodomey laws not regularly enforced.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e38fc245cda24ddf971cefa95472e77c.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6595388.page"><b>easysauce wrote:</b></a><br/>strange...  why on earth would kissing your relative be illegal?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I think the issue is where she admitted that he would kiss her vagina with his penis. <br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7315d838ce07cbd7aeef23c64148aeaf.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6595302.page"><b>SilverMK2 wrote:</b></a><br/>Why would you consent to a search if you had meth?.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Out of all the messed up stuff in this article, that one was the weirdest right?  :mindblown:  I literally cannot fathom the chain of thoughts that led to that OK. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e38fc245cda24ddf971cefa95472e77c.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6595388.page"><b>easysauce wrote:</b></a><br/>strange...  why on earth would kissing your relative be illegal?<br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(325);'>TBH</span>, i think it is mre then likely they where arrested for having sex possibly infront of minors. Atleast I got the impression]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ With modern genetic screening there is far less of an issue with intra-family breeding. A lot of the problem with them is it is very difficult to seperate the genuine relationships from very harmful abuse. Many laws against sexual acts with step family are to give greater sentencing options to non-genetically related family members (ie step parent) engaging in sexual activity with a step child of example.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 3 Mar 2014 17:05:05]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e38fc245cda24ddf971cefa95472e77c.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6595388.page"><b>easysauce wrote:</b></a><br/>strange...  why on earth would kissing your relative be illegal?<br /> <br /> OBS its gross, disgusting, breaches biblical codes and so on, but if other sexual preferences that some consider "too much" are ok, why not that?<br /> <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Because the people with this particular sexual preference have yet to organize and start a social movement to change the publics opinions... Yet.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c192b8239e4d8c43c72e37c7628b3ee2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6595421.page"><b>SlaveToDorkness wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> Because the people with this particular sexual preference have yet to organize and start a social movement to change the publics opinions... Yet.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Indeed, not too long ago people were openly saying the same about gays.<br /> There have even been moves to change perceptions on underage sex.<br /> We are in an <i>almost</i> anything goes society, incest is not illogical if it is not used for breeding, just socially uncomfortable.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ A different lover is nota sin <br /> Believe capital H-I-M<br /> I love my life, I love this record and <br /> Mi amore vole <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(413);'>fe</span> yah<br /> <br /> I'm beautiful in my way,<br /> 'Cause God makes no mistake<br /> I'm on the right track,baby<br /> I was born this way<br /> <br /> Don't hide yourself in regret,<br /> Just love yourself and you're set<br /> I'm on the right track, baby<br /> I was born this way<br /> <br /> Ooh, there ain't no other way, baby, I was born this way<br /> Baby, I was born this way<br /> Ooh, there ain't no other way, baby, I was born this way<br /> I'm on the right track, baby,<br /> I was born this way<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I understand why they were sentenced for taking drugs. I do not understand why they were sentenced for making love to each other. As long as it is consensual (and it really looks like it is) and both have reached the age of consent, they can do what they want !]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7f4b37634798952bc94303cc37671d90.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6595809.page"><b>Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:</b></a><br/>I understand why they were sentenced for taking drugs. I do not understand why they were sentenced for making love to each other. As long as it is consensual (and it really looks like it is) and both have reached the age of consent, they can do what they want !</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Except that incest in illegal in many states]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Same sex marriage battle...its two consenting adults<br /> More then one wife/husband battle..its well all adults<br /> Incest battle..its two consenting adults.<br /> <br /> Republicans going to be at fault when these battle rages<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ There are fairly valid reasons for disallowing incest though- inbreeding is bad for the children of those couples. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Edit: Nevermind Da Boss said it.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It's also been noted by psychologists and sociologists that incest relationships have a tendency to be abusive relationships. Yeah, the same thing was said about homosexual relationships not too long ago, but there are good studies backing up the accusations direct at incest behavior (A significant % of rapes committed in the US are committed by close family members).<br /> <br /> EDIT: However its also been noted that initial sexual fantasies and experimentation at times are directed at siblings, suggesting that in itself brief incest may not be uncommon, but that long term relationships quickly become unhealthy. Appropriate to the thread, substance abuse is often associated with such relationships.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think the laws are only really strictly enforced in Appalachia, where there are actually serious social/economic issues resulting from largish inbred populations in some areas...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Vasectomy or tube ligation.<br /> Problem solve. two consenting adults<br /> Yep I went outside the box of thinking on this.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I would have less of a problem with it if the couples were voluntarily sterilised, but I do feel there is a fair scope for abuse in these sorts of situations. There is scope for abuse in any intimate relationship though. <br /> <br /> I'd be dead against forced sterilisation though.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ In the end, it wouldn't shock me to see society throw its hands up and say "we don't care" and you know the world's hardly going to end because of it. Life goes on, mutated or otherwise.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ And people will still keep shouting "slippery slope!" like it didn't actually happen. <br /> <br /> Actually I'd proffer this does not develop.  Very few societies permitted this among the peasant folk, and its riddled with abuse/differential power relationships. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You can find about as many instances of slippery slope in history that ring true as you can find instances where it didn't. Saying we shouldn't do something because it might lead to something else later is still logically fallacious. Of course, more people carry logical fallacies to absurd places. You can make an argument based almost entirely on logical fallacies and still be right. Your reasoning might suck, but you could still be right XD]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/dced7f76f550c255c81daad8b7737b41.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6596219.page"><b>LordofHats wrote:</b></a><br/>You can find about as many instances of slippery slope in history that ring true as you can find instances where it didn't. Saying we shouldn't do something because it might lead to something else later is still logically fallacious. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> WHy because it says that in a textbook.  History can indeed be a guide.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/dced7f76f550c255c81daad8b7737b41.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6596219.page"><b>LordofHats wrote:</b></a><br/>You can find about as many instances of slippery slope in history that ring true as you can find instances where it didn't. Saying we shouldn't do something because it might lead to something else later is still logically fallacious. Of course, more people carry logical fallacies to absurd places. You can make an argument based almost entirely on logical fallacies and still be right. Your reasoning might suck, but you could still be right XD</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> As a brief aside, I keep hearing that 'slippery slope' arguments are inherently fallacious.  Unfortunately, I didn't have any electives to spare in college, so I couldn't afford to take a philosophy course.  I'm afraid I don't understand WHY they are inherently fallacious.  <br /> <br /> "If I let my toddler play with packets of restaurant condiments, he might splatter them all over."<br /> <br /> "If condiments are splattered in my living room, I might get ants."<br /> <br /> "I'm not going to let my toddler play with restaurant honey packets because it might lead to us getting ants."<br /> <br /> Seems like a pretty reasonable slippery slope argument to me.  Have I missed a step here?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Those aren't really slippery slope arguments as the lack taking things to the extremes needed to make a point using a slipper slope argument.  Slippery Slope isn't just a statement of cause and effect, which is more or less what you are presenting.  It must be an argument in which "some event must inevitably follow from another without any rational argument or demonstrable mechanism for the inevitability of the event in question".  What you said is a rational expectation and not a wild leap in analysis.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div> I'm afraid I don't understand WHY they are inherently fallacious</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Because they assume that if we do B then C will happen, even though there's no reason to believe C will happen just because B did happen. Rhetorically, it is fallacious because it assumes C <i>must</i> happen.<br /> <br /> For your example you said;  I might get ants. 'Might' keeps the statement from being fallacious because you've acknowledged (more or less) that its possible you won't get ants.<br /> <br /> Marriage laws have become the rallying cry for some people in the US who oppose anti-slippery slope arguments. They happily ignore that the legalization of gay marriage probably has a lot more to do with the growing acceptance of homosexuality in society and is only marginally related to allow blacks and whites to marry (i.e. the two are really only related in being civil rights issues and otherwise are connected by much). So, C didn't happen because of B. Rather B happened then a few decades, and some social changes in perspective later, C happened which was helped along by B happening but also because D and E happened. <br /> <br /> Not so much evidence that a slippery slope actually occurred but rather, that people don't bother reading into how events unfold much and would rather just decry the moral decay of American society.<br /> <br /> EDIT: A good quote on this came from Bill Maher;<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>"Gay marriage will not lead to dog marriage! When we gave women the vote we did not also have to give it to parakeets. When we freed the slaves we were not obligated to free the gerbils."</div></blockquote><br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Isn't the human race the product of a metric gak ton of incest? <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/70fce3e3683b3a861091dcdbee731e77.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6596459.page"><b>Medium of Death wrote:</b></a><br/>Isn't the human race the product of a metric gak ton of incest? <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> yep, adam and eve had 2 boys.  think on that for a while.  <br /> <br /> you'd think with all the rampant incest in the bible, christians would be ok with it.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Adam and Eve had many more children than Kane and Abel.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6596714.page"><b>sirlynchmob wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <br /> you'd think with all the rampant incest in the bible, christians would be ok with it.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Actually incest in the Bible is heavily censured.  Example Lot and his daughters.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Predict that be the next fight say 40 years down the road after the same sex marriage issue is done. More then one spouse..which if you think about it in today economy sounds good when buying a house..3-4 income..three wives though.or husbands..then same family marriage..tubal ligation is reversible 80 years down the road....]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I have a wager with my gaming group that within 20 years either incest, pedophilia, or beastiality will be at least a protected class if not perfectly legal.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c192b8239e4d8c43c72e37c7628b3ee2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6596832.page"><b>SlaveToDorkness wrote:</b></a><br/>I have a wager with my gaming group that within 20 years either incest, pedophilia, or beastiality will be at least a protected class if not perfectly legal.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> 20 years, no not that soon.  It takes a full generation for major attitudes to change, for something as big as peadophilia a new generation would have to be born and grow up thinking it ok, and no I am not talking about groomed victims.<br /> <br /> However saying that multiculturalism will force changes, some cultures marry at very young ages, often ages considered illegal in western society and ages of consent vary enormously.  In the battle between what gives between the right of an entitled minority to live by its standards of the standards of western nation states more ground is given by the latter than the former of late.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I doubt pedophilia will ever be on the list of things human beings allow at this stage, seeing as even parts of the world that used to marry at young ages have gradually been moving away from the practice as they modernize. Even countries where Pedophiles can even hold public office (Poland) can't get it legalized as a matter of law.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c192b8239e4d8c43c72e37c7628b3ee2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6596832.page"><b>SlaveToDorkness wrote:</b></a><br/>I have a wager with my gaming group that within 20 years either incest, pedophilia, or beastiality will be at least a protected class if not perfectly legal.</div></blockquote><br /> Incest can involve two adults. Pedophilia necessarily involve children without legal responsibility and maturity enough to give informed consent and all that. Bestiality is even worse in that matter.<br /> So, yeah, I guess it will be incest <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"> .]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7f4b37634798952bc94303cc37671d90.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6596966.page"><b>Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c192b8239e4d8c43c72e37c7628b3ee2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6596832.page"><b>SlaveToDorkness wrote:</b></a><br/>I have a wager with my gaming group that within 20 years either incest, pedophilia, or beastiality will be at least a protected class if not perfectly legal.</div></blockquote><br /> Incest can involve two adults. Pedophilia necessarily involve children without legal responsibility and maturity enough to give informed consent and all that. Bestiality is even worse in that matter.<br /> So, yeah, I guess it will be incest <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"> .</div></blockquote> Especially now that Game of Thrones has really brought it (twincest <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"> ) into popular culture.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Game of Thrones' depiction is pretty far from flattering <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well, it is, as the popular saying goes : <i>still a better love story than twillight</i>.<br /> And not to spoil anything, but good love story have bad, tragic endings, do they not <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"> ?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well yeah, but that's like saying someone is a better singer than Rebecca Black. In the end it might as well be an insult in itself <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> EDIT: Mind you. Circe and Jamie are <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>imo</span>, excellently written characters. But that series does not portray their relationship as a positive one, and it seems to really push the whole incest is bad thing between Jeoffry and the Mad King.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Are you talking about the books or the series ?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Both (I assume, the TV show hasn't gotten to the parts I'm really thinking of just yet).]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Reading about it and seeing about it are two different perspective. Then add in the "justification" part of the story...so starts the "influence" of a generation.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/dced7f76f550c255c81daad8b7737b41.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6597135.page"><b>LordofHats wrote:</b></a><br/>Both (I assume, the TV show hasn't gotten to the parts I'm really thinking of just yet).</div></blockquote><br /> Oh. Well, it depends. Trying not to spoil anyone here, but I do not think it has to do with incest, or that it is in any way meant to denounce it.<br /> (Note : I have not yet finished last tome, I have still about 150 pages to read)]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Oh yeah. The story isn't really about incest, but reading between the lines Martin has portrayed their relationship as subtly destructive for both of them as people, probably more for Jamie than Cercei. You might see the part I'm thinking up when you finish. The issue for the TV series is that it skipped over a lot of the back story and tiny details that bring that relationship together, so I'm unsure how it'll be handled 2-3 seasons from now.<br /> <br /> This is <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(415);'>OT</span> though. my basic point is that the twincest in Game of Thrones isn't really flattering to the concept but is portrayed very destructively. Just in the first book/season alone we see it start a massive war twice (The Mad King was also the product of Incest) so while the series might have brought the idea out into the public mainstream in recent years, its not really pushing a positive image for anyone to rally behind.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Regarding the Targaryens :<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Probably due to their incestuous practices, the Targaryens are prone to madness; King Jaehaerys II said that with the birth of a new Targaryen, the gods tossed a coin to decide whether the child would be a genius or a lunatic.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> If incest leads to more ladies as lovely as Daenerys then I am in full support of it being legalized.  (semi serious)<br /> <br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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				<description><![CDATA[ There are a lot of lovely ladies on that show, and I too think Daenerys probably tops the list. <br /> <br /> Although Rose Leslie is a strong, strong contender. <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I love 2D incest, but the real thing is just disgusting. When you think about the normal relationships that siblings develop from growing up together, it seems perverse for the relationship to become sexual. Whether you share blood or not, there's something "wrong" about it to me.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hey now.back in the day being homosexual was a no no.<br /> <br /> Films starting in 1962 about being gay started influencing the generation then. Media is a powerful tool.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 4 Mar 2014 21:52:23]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c192b8239e4d8c43c72e37c7628b3ee2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6596832.page"><b>SlaveToDorkness wrote:</b></a><br/>I have a wager with my gaming group that within 20 years either incest, pedophilia, or beastiality will be at least a protected class if not perfectly legal.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I am... doubtful of your prediction.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 4 Mar 2014 21:59:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/eeee8d7ff579d17d26134a6d05334a17.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6600370.page"><b>kronk wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c192b8239e4d8c43c72e37c7628b3ee2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6596832.page"><b>SlaveToDorkness wrote:</b></a><br/>I have a wager with my gaming group that within 20 years either incest, pedophilia, or beastiality will be at least a protected class if not perfectly legal.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I am... doubtful of your prediction.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It only works if you reasonably think that giving gay people equal rights is the same as letting someone marry a turtle.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Thankfully, we're too much of a soccer mom "Won't someone think of the children" nation to suddenly start letting people feth them.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c658660cfb8680ff4e93f8a1223cc33e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6600387.page"><b>Ouze wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/eeee8d7ff579d17d26134a6d05334a17.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6600370.page"><b>kronk wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c192b8239e4d8c43c72e37c7628b3ee2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6596832.page"><b>SlaveToDorkness wrote:</b></a><br/>I have a wager with my gaming group that within 20 years either incest, pedophilia, or beastiality will be at least a protected class if not perfectly legal.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I am... doubtful of your prediction.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It only works if you reasonably think that giving gay people equal rights is the same as letting someone marry a turtle.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I have been advised by Team Wienie that should anyone even blink in a wiener dog's direction, there will be blood. So speaketh the Great Wienie. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'm more curious about the logistics of fething a turtle, especially in America. Don't you have the snappy ones?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ We do; they get fairly large and incredible mean. <br /> <br /> <img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Alligator_Snapping_Turtle2.jpg" border="0" /><br /> <i>If I wasn't at work, I'd photoshop a Brazzers logo on this</i><br /> <br /> Presumably, the danger is what makes it exciting. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 4 Mar 2014 22:21:29]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Eunachs (whatever) not much in demand job wise though.so be very selective of the turtle]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/183aaa35ec9562adf43460491c8d83ca.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6600309.page"><b>Captain Fantastic wrote:</b></a><br/>I love 2D incest</div></blockquote><br /> Do you mean the cartoon ones ?<br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/183aaa35ec9562adf43460491c8d83ca.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6600309.page"><b>Captain Fantastic wrote:</b></a><br/>but the real thing is just disgusting. When you think about the normal relationships that siblings develop from growing up together, it seems perverse for the relationship to become sexual.</div></blockquote><br /> What about some Œdipe-like situation, where the people fall in love before learning they are actually related ?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ There's a fair amount of porn related to incest and Pedo fantasy out there. Not to mention the horrible horrible animal porn (and Bronies, duh).<br /> <br /> It is laughed at in the media, which is the first step to acceptance. The next would be organization. I think we've all seen enough "Catch a Predator" to understand the shocking prevalence of pedos. There's got to be more of the other two catagories out there. All they need to do is have a way of communicating, organizing, then pushing for change. The internet provides them with a way to do that.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c192b8239e4d8c43c72e37c7628b3ee2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6601586.page"><b>SlaveToDorkness wrote:</b></a><br/>The internet provides them with a way to do that.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The Internet couldn't even make Snakes on a Plane a box office hit, so I'm a little dubious of it's ability to make an enormous, sweeping social change of the type you describe.<br /> <br /> The obvious analogy you are trying to draw here is the slippery slope gay marriage has introduced. The state has no compelling interest in legislating the private sexual and romantic behaviors of consenting adults, but it so very obviously does have a compelling interest in regulating them between adults and those who cannot legally consent. <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7f4b37634798952bc94303cc37671d90.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6600593.page"><b>Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/183aaa35ec9562adf43460491c8d83ca.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6600309.page"><b>Captain Fantastic wrote:</b></a><br/>I love 2D incest</div></blockquote><br /> Do you mean the cartoon ones ?<br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/183aaa35ec9562adf43460491c8d83ca.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6600309.page"><b>Captain Fantastic wrote:</b></a><br/>but the real thing is just disgusting. When you think about the normal relationships that siblings develop from growing up together, it seems perverse for the relationship to become sexual.</div></blockquote><br /> What about some Œdipe-like situation, where the people fall in love before learning they are actually related ?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> uh...<br /> <br /> That's okay. Unwitting incest isn't incest at all]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ What if they do continue after discovering it is incest ? Does it become bad ?<br /> Also, what about people that actually do not share any ancestor, but got raised together as siblings because the father of one remarried with the mother of the other ?<br /> I am asking those because the first one pushes the boundaries of a “blood-link” rejection of incest, and the second one pushes the boundaries of a “social relation” rejection of incest. <br /> <br /> If I understood correctly, you believe in the second. But remarriage can lead to people being raised as sibling only once they have reached 10, 14 or even 18 ! When does it start being bad ?<br /> <br /> Also still not sure what 2D incest is.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7f4b37634798952bc94303cc37671d90.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6602562.page"><b>Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <br /> Also still not sure what 2D incest is.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm pretty sure it's just graphic (as in animation/comics) depiction of incest.<br /> <br /> There was a discussion a while back about Kiddie Porn in comic form being ok because there wasn't any actual child involved. Sort of a "fantasy" version of sick things instead of real. I think this might be part of that. A depiction of incest instead of full-blown bro/sis intercourse. Similar to fantasy porn involving "schoolgirls".]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ That is why I proposed “cartoon incest”, but not sure that was it.<br /> Also the big difference between child pornography and incest pornography is that it is so extremely easy to “fake” incest : just get the two actors to pretend they are siblings at the beginning of the movie, and done !]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Lots of incestophobic bigotry in this thread. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/183aaa35ec9562adf43460491c8d83ca.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6602380.page"><b>Captain Fantastic wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <br /> uh...<br /> <br /> That's okay. Unwitting incest isn't incest at all</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It is though, isn't it?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/64d307be7d8bf1b9b462e6d0c44e7278.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6618420.page"><b>Monster Rain wrote:</b></a><br/>Lots of incestophobic bigotry in this thread. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> To be fair incest does increase chance of fluctuating facial asymmetry, lower birth rate, higher infant mortality, slower growth rate, smaller adult size and loss of immune system function but other than that I don't know why it's so taboo maybe it screws around with the family dynamic too <br /> <br /> much.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ If anything, incest makes the family more dynamic. Which can only be a good thing.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e0acbcbaa13e65670455eb3ca75379d1.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6619272.page"><b>Cheesecat wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/64d307be7d8bf1b9b462e6d0c44e7278.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6618420.page"><b>Monster Rain wrote:</b></a><br/>Lots of incestophobic bigotry in this thread. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> To be fair incest does increase chance of fluctuating facial asymmetry, lower birth rate, higher infant mortality, slower growth rate, smaller adult size and loss of immune system function but other than that I don't know why it's so taboo maybe it screws around with the family dynamic too <br /> <br /> much.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Reproduction shouldn't have any bearing on the social tolerance for others' lifestyle choices. <br /> <br /> #everythreadonsamesexmarriageever<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/70fce3e3683b3a861091dcdbee731e77.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6619936.page"><b>Medium of Death wrote:</b></a><br/>If anything, incest makes the family more dynamic. Which can only be a good thing.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The family that lays together stays together?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e0acbcbaa13e65670455eb3ca75379d1.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6619272.page"><b>Cheesecat wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/64d307be7d8bf1b9b462e6d0c44e7278.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6618420.page"><b>Monster Rain wrote:</b></a><br/>Lots of incestophobic bigotry in this thread. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> To be fair incest does increase chance of fluctuating facial asymmetry, lower birth rate, higher infant mortality, slower growth rate, smaller adult size and loss of immune system function but other than that I don't know why it's so taboo maybe it screws around with the family dynamic too <br /> <br /> much.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well duh, that's what abortion's for.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/64d307be7d8bf1b9b462e6d0c44e7278.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6620066.page"><b>Monster Rain wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e0acbcbaa13e65670455eb3ca75379d1.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6619272.page"><b>Cheesecat wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/64d307be7d8bf1b9b462e6d0c44e7278.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6618420.page"><b>Monster Rain wrote:</b></a><br/>Lots of incestophobic bigotry in this thread. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> To be fair incest does increase chance of fluctuating facial asymmetry, lower birth rate, higher infant mortality, slower growth rate, smaller adult size and loss of immune system function but other than that I don't know why it's so taboo maybe it screws around with the family dynamic too <br /> <br /> much.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Reproduction shouldn't have any bearing on the social tolerance for others' lifestyle choices. <br /> <br /> #everythreadonsamesexmarriageever</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm pretty sure gay rights has more to do with sexuality than reproduction.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c192b8239e4d8c43c72e37c7628b3ee2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6620073.page"><b>SlaveToDorkness wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e0acbcbaa13e65670455eb3ca75379d1.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6619272.page"><b>Cheesecat wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/64d307be7d8bf1b9b462e6d0c44e7278.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6618420.page"><b>Monster Rain wrote:</b></a><br/>Lots of incestophobic bigotry in this thread. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> To be fair incest does increase chance of fluctuating facial asymmetry, lower birth rate, higher infant mortality, slower growth rate, smaller adult size and loss of immune system function but other than that I don't know why it's so taboo maybe it screws around with the family dynamic too <br /> <br /> much.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well duh, that's what abortion's for.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Can be, if that's what the pregnant woman is concerned about or it could be for a bunch of other reasons such as she doesn't want a child, isn't financially capable of having a child, etc.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c192b8239e4d8c43c72e37c7628b3ee2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6601586.page"><b>SlaveToDorkness wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> It is laughed at in the media, which is the first step to acceptance. The next would be organization. I think we've all seen enough "Catch a Predator" to understand the shocking prevalence of pedos. There's got to be more of the other two catagories out there. All they need to do is have a way of communicating, organizing, then pushing for change. The internet provides them with a way to do that.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> How successful was NAMBLA?  I mean, it was an organization that pushed for controversial change, so clearly pedophilia is legal, right?<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c658660cfb8680ff4e93f8a1223cc33e.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6597861.page"><b>Ouze wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> Although Rose Leslie is a strong, strong contender. <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I always liked Gemma Whelan.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yes, because the first gay-rights organization succeeded the first time out as well.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e0acbcbaa13e65670455eb3ca75379d1.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6620778.page"><b>Cheesecat wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/64d307be7d8bf1b9b462e6d0c44e7278.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6620066.page"><b>Monster Rain wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e0acbcbaa13e65670455eb3ca75379d1.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6619272.page"><b>Cheesecat wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/64d307be7d8bf1b9b462e6d0c44e7278.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6618420.page"><b>Monster Rain wrote:</b></a><br/>Lots of incestophobic bigotry in this thread. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> To be fair incest does increase chance of fluctuating facial asymmetry, lower birth rate, higher infant mortality, slower growth rate, smaller adult size and loss of immune system function but other than that I don't know why it's so taboo maybe it screws around with the family dynamic too <br /> <br /> much.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Reproduction shouldn't have any bearing on the social tolerance for others' lifestyle choices. <br /> <br /> #everythreadonsamesexmarriageever</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm pretty sure gay rights has more to do with sexuality than reproduction.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> An irrelevant distinction. <br /> <br /> Your contention seemed to be that incest is bad because of its effect on reproduction. As has been repeated ad infinitum, reproduction doesn't matter when deciding what consenting adults should be allowed to be together. Furthermore, who's to say that some people aren't born with a predisposition to bone their siblings? Why discriminate against these people?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Because you're an Incestophobe and should feel bad.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The inter-family relationship isn't really a big deal to me. Being a meth user and taking care of children is the problem I see here.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/64d307be7d8bf1b9b462e6d0c44e7278.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6621671.page"><b>Monster Rain wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e0acbcbaa13e65670455eb3ca75379d1.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6620778.page"><b>Cheesecat wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/64d307be7d8bf1b9b462e6d0c44e7278.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6620066.page"><b>Monster Rain wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e0acbcbaa13e65670455eb3ca75379d1.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6619272.page"><b>Cheesecat wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/64d307be7d8bf1b9b462e6d0c44e7278.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6618420.page"><b>Monster Rain wrote:</b></a><br/>Lots of incestophobic bigotry in this thread. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> To be fair incest does increase chance of fluctuating facial asymmetry, lower birth rate, higher infant mortality, slower growth rate, smaller adult size and loss of immune system function but other than that I don't know why it's so taboo maybe it screws around with the family dynamic too <br /> <br /> much.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Reproduction shouldn't have any bearing on the social tolerance for others' lifestyle choices. <br /> <br /> #everythreadonsamesexmarriageever</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm pretty sure gay rights has more to do with sexuality than reproduction.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> An irrelevant distinction. <br /> <br /> Your contention seemed to be that incest is bad because of its effect on reproduction. As has been repeated ad infinitum, reproduction doesn't matter when deciding what consenting adults should be allowed to be together. Furthermore, who's to say that some people aren't born with a predisposition to bone their siblings? Why discriminate against these people?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well, most relationships aren't incestuous so the concern for defects probably isn't as high therefore reproduction wouldn't be such an issue, but even if you're not bothered by the idea incestuous relationships increasing the risks of defects (or can at least tolerate it) I still have to wonder <br /> <br /> about such relationships such as a father having sex with his daughter, having sex with other siblings, etc and whether that is healthy psychologically.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ However you claim to justify it, having a problem with the sexuality of consenting adults is bigotry. The internet has spoken. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/64d307be7d8bf1b9b462e6d0c44e7278.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6624264.page"><b>Monster Rain wrote:</b></a><br/>However you claim to justify it, having a problem with the sexuality of consenting adults is bigotry. The internet has spoken. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I find the idea of a father-daughter relationship as consensual to be somewhat dubious.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I saw a few of them on maury/ Jerry Springer , and Jerry was real  I tell you.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I guess two consenting cousins wouldn't be so bad as there wouldn't be as much abuse of power as there would be with having a physical relationship with a mother or father.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e0acbcbaa13e65670455eb3ca75379d1.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6624274.page"><b>Cheesecat wrote:</b></a><br/>I find the idea of a father-daughter relationship as consensual to be somewhat dubious.</div></blockquote><br /> Even if the daughter is 30, has a job, financially independence, and everything ?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/64d307be7d8bf1b9b462e6d0c44e7278.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6624264.page"><b>Monster Rain wrote:</b></a><br/>However you claim to justify it, having a problem with the sexuality of consenting adults is bigotry. The internet has spoken. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And if the internet were to be taken as gospel, 90% of the world should be lined up against a wall and shot for being absolute monsters.<br /> <br /> feth the internet.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/64d307be7d8bf1b9b462e6d0c44e7278.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6621671.page"><b>Monster Rain wrote:</b></a><br/>An irrelevant distinction. <br /> <br /> Your contention seemed to be that incest is bad because of its effect on reproduction. As has been repeated ad infinitum, reproduction doesn't matter when deciding what consenting adults should be allowed to be together. Furthermore, who's to say that some people aren't born with a predisposition to bone their siblings? Why discriminate against these people?</div></blockquote><br /> This is awesome, but I wish more were taking the bait.  Exalted either way.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The incestophobes are hiding in shame. As they should be. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/64d307be7d8bf1b9b462e6d0c44e7278.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6625845.page"><b>Monster Rain wrote:</b></a><br/>The incestophobes are hiding in shame. As they should be. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I don't know whether I should applause your epic sarcasm or punch you in the face.  Could I send someone over to do both? <br /> <br /> <br /> (in his will Frazzled wants to be cremated and formed into buckshot pellets which will then be shot into a handy  list of people that have ticked me off. "Hold still! Its in his will!")]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Just exploring where the line is drawn as to what is acceptable to transpire between consenting adults.  Well, outside of West Virginia anyway. <br /> <br /> In the customary fashion. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/558ea710f8e9d9ec21b39a6b2a94371f.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6624764.page"><b>Seaward wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/64d307be7d8bf1b9b462e6d0c44e7278.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6621671.page"><b>Monster Rain wrote:</b></a><br/>An irrelevant distinction. <br /> <br /> Your contention seemed to be that incest is bad because of its effect on reproduction. As has been repeated ad infinitum, reproduction doesn't matter when deciding what consenting adults should be allowed to be together. Furthermore, who's to say that some people aren't born with a predisposition to bone their siblings? Why discriminate against these people?</div></blockquote><br /> This is awesome, but I wish more were taking the bait.  Exalted either way.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I know it's a bait but I still think it's an interesting discussion to have.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Truly, Monster Rain is a master.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6625876.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/64d307be7d8bf1b9b462e6d0c44e7278.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6625845.page"><b>Monster Rain wrote:</b></a><br/>The incestophobes are hiding in shame. As they should be. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I don't know whether I should applause your epic sarcasm or punch you in the face.</div></blockquote><br /> Sarcasm ? I think he is 100% serious.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think it's great that Monster Rain is so happy with his daughter that he defends it on the interwebs.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7f4b37634798952bc94303cc37671d90.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6626992.page"><b>Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6625876.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/64d307be7d8bf1b9b462e6d0c44e7278.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6625845.page"><b>Monster Rain wrote:</b></a><br/>The incestophobes are hiding in shame. As they should be. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I don't know whether I should applause your epic sarcasm or punch you in the face.</div></blockquote><br /> Sarcasm ? I think he is 100% serious.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Just curious what the actual argument against this particular behavior is, when engaged in by consenting adults for non-reproductive purposes. <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6627035.page"><b>Bullockist wrote:</b></a><br/>A poor attempt.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You're bad at this. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6627035.page"><b>Bullockist wrote:</b></a><br/>I think it's great that Monster Rain is so happy with his daughter that he defends it on the interwebs.</div></blockquote><br /> That was uncalled for, stereotypical, prejudiced and unfair.<br /> <span style="font-size: 7px; line-height: normal;"><i>Can you not see it is his mother he is having a romance with ?</i></span><br /> <br /> <br /> (Sorry, could not resist the temptation)]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/64d307be7d8bf1b9b462e6d0c44e7278.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6627166.page"><b>Monster Rain wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7f4b37634798952bc94303cc37671d90.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6626992.page"><b>Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6625876.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/64d307be7d8bf1b9b462e6d0c44e7278.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6625845.page"><b>Monster Rain wrote:</b></a><br/>The incestophobes are hiding in shame. As they should be. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I don't know whether I should applause your epic sarcasm or punch you in the face.</div></blockquote><br /> Sarcasm ? I think he is 100% serious.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Just curious what the actual argument against this particular behavior is, when engaged in by consenting adults for non-reproductive purposes.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah, the only argument I can think of is concern for birth defects and maybe abuse of power by certain family members but then we allow people with all sorts of negative medical conditions reproduce all the time so I don't know how well that argument holds up.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well once the pro-incest groups come forward to affect social change, then we should have that discussion. To my limited knowledge, not many people are coming forward demanding that change.<br /> <br /> Anything prior that is simply sensationalism trying to discredit the pro-gay marriage argument.<br /> <br /> As to this case, the problem lies more in the fact of fething in front of children, not the fact there was blood shared by the participants. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well gay rights is about sexuality where with incest it would be about a combination of sexuality and reproduction.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Unless it was gay incest.<br /> <br /> My point is when pro-incest groups start the conversation, then we should have it.  Anything else is pure hypothetical speculation with no merit. Especially coupled with incest's long history of rape and sexual assault,  Incest is rarely about 2 consenting, knowledgeable adults getting into it. It's more normally predicated on power over another, again often when one is underage,]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/e0acbcbaa13e65670455eb3ca75379d1.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6627225.page"><b>Cheesecat wrote:</b></a><br/>Yeah, the only argument I can think of is concern for birth defects and maybe abuse of power by certain family members but then we allow people with all sorts of negative medical conditions reproduce all the time so I don't know how well that argument holds up.</div></blockquote><br /> The “birth defects” argument does not hold at all, since we know have very good contraceptive methods, and even something called abortion that will succeed where contraceptive have failed.<br /> And even then, nobody prevented Michel Petrucciani from getting a son, no ?<br /> <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6627311.page"><b>DutchWinsAll wrote:</b></a><br/>Incest is rarely about 2 consenting, knowledgeable adults getting into it. It's more normally predicated on power over another, again often when one is underage,</div></blockquote><br /> Is that not some prejudiced opinion ? I mean, a few decades back, homosexuality was conflated with pederasty, and pederasty was in turn conflated with pedophilia.<br />  <img src="/s/i/a/c3ec5125cd363906ba203808086b703d.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7f4b37634798952bc94303cc37671d90.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6627325.page"><b>Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> Is that not some prejudiced opinion ? I mean, a few decades back, homosexuality was conflated with pederasty, and pederasty was in turn conflated with pedophilia.<br />  <img src="/s/i/a/c3ec5125cd363906ba203808086b703d.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I can show you millions of examples of consenting adults engaging in homosexuality.  I can scarcely think of half a dozen incest examples that don't involve one partner having control over the other in the relationship. It's part of power dynamic in families.<br /> <br /> Father and child? That's obvious.<br /> Mother and child? That's obvious. Last episode of True Detective notwithstanding.<br /> <br /> That pretty much leaves siblings.  And it's not hard at all to imagine an older sibling using that to their advantage to gain incestual sex.<br /> <br />   So again, instead of talking in the hypothetical, show me the groups of consensual, equal adults engaging in incest, and them asking for acceptance.  I have no real moral qualms against that particular group other than I wouldn't participate myself. But if they presented their case, and nobody is being victimized, then yes I would support them.<br /> <br /> Trouble is I don't see these people. This thread itself is about 2 half-siblings fething each other in front of children while high on meth. Not exactly the best case for the pro-incest defense.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ A lot of people on the internet appear to be really buttsore about being on the losing side of the gay marriage debate.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7c9b1f23c698e9434a766f2a131f3818.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6596207.page"><b>Frazzled wrote:</b></a><br/>And people will still keep shouting "slippery slope!" like it didn't actually happen.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> In this case, the problem with the slippery slope argument was not that there would never be flow on effects - the problem with the slippery slope argument was that those flow on effects was each dependant on choices made by that future society.<br /> <br /> If in the wake of gay marriage, people end up deciding that incest between adult, consenting siblings is fine - well that's a choice that society made.  This idea that we can't make a decision we know to be right, because it might open the door for some future society to make some other decision to allow something we don't currently like... well fething let them make their own choice.  That's how it is supposed to work.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/c192b8239e4d8c43c72e37c7628b3ee2.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6596832.page"><b>SlaveToDorkness wrote:</b></a><br/>I have a wager with my gaming group that within 20 years either incest, pedophilia, or beastiality will be at least a protected class if not perfectly legal.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You think paedophilia or bestiality have a chance of being legalised in the next 20 years?  Holy crap you have not been paying attention to society.  Every trend we have right now is towards focusing on personal choice... with a heavy emphasis on who can and cannot make that choice.  With children increasingly seen as fragile and in need of protection, and animals seen increasingly as if they were child substitutes... the idea of that trend reversing and going so far the other way that we would think it acceptable for someone to have sex with either of them is just ludicrous.<br /> <br /> Incest, I can see maybe, though polygamy seems more likely - and either of those will probably need twenty years of ground work just for the question to be taken seriously.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/bda35c1ff80e5f6b4e8927ffccf15d1b.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6597739.page"><b>trexmeyer wrote:</b></a><br/>If incest leads to more ladies as lovely as Daenerys then I am in full support of it being legalized.  (semi serious)<br /> <br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/72eab7a7ce61b7d7e07cfd696c3e9130.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6627446.page"><b>sebster wrote:</b></a><br/>A lot of people on the internet appear to be really buttsore about being on the losing side of the gay marriage debate.</div></blockquote><br /> Yeah, the dogs bark, but the caravan goes on <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> .<br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/72eab7a7ce61b7d7e07cfd696c3e9130.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6627446.page"><b>sebster wrote:</b></a><br/>With children increasingly seen as fragile and in need of protection, and animals seen increasingly as if they were child substitutes...</div></blockquote><br /> Except for the killing them to eat the corpse part. Oh, and the experimenting drugs and cosmetics on them. Those do not seem like they are going away anytime soon.<br /> <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/72eab7a7ce61b7d7e07cfd696c3e9130.jpg" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6627446.page"><b>sebster wrote:</b></a><br/>Incest, I can see maybe, though polygamy seems more likely - and either of those will probably need twenty years of ground work just for the question to be taken seriously.</div></blockquote><br /> Actually, I think polygamy is way less likely. Why ?<br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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</div><br /> So, progressives do not want polygamy because it is very strongly linked, and mostly argued for, by <i>extremely conservative</i> muslims, and conservatives do not want polygamy because it is very strongly linked, and mostly argued for, by extremely conservative <i>muslims</i> <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> .]]></description>
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</div><br /> So, progressives do not want polygamy because it is very strongly linked, and mostly argued for, by <i>extremely conservative</i> muslims, and conservatives do not want polygamy because it is very strongly linked, and mostly argued for, by extremely conservative <i>muslims</i> <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> .</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I think you're stretching there with the Muslim connection. Bigamy has a large history in all the Abrahamic faiths.  In America at least, you can look to the history of the Mormons to judge the nation's reactions to bigamy.<br /> <br /> At first in the early 1830's, Joseph Smith hid his bigamy from all but his closest followers, as he knew the reaction most would have. Then it gained acceptance amongst the Mormons until 1890, when the "Prophet,Seer, and Revelator" (their President) had a mysterious message from God to ban the polygamy. I say mysterious as it just so happened in the face of overwhelming political and social pressure (similar to the "revelation" in 1978 that Black's weren't actually marked by Cain and were allowed into the church).  Thus we have the FLDS, who still practice polygamy to this day.  And the court reports showing the rampant sexual abuse of young girls in these towns discredits their movement immensely.<br /> <br /> And as to my knowledge, they are the only group in America with any money or real political power pushing for polygamy.  And if the regular Mormon church decides to back them in the future at some point when polygamy is more acceptable to society, you'll see it legal again.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6628797.page"><b>DutchWinsAll wrote:</b></a><br/>I think you're stretching there with the Muslim connection.</div></blockquote><br /> Maybe in the US. Certainly not in France. Or, I guess, anywhere in western Europe, but I my be wrong on that.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><img src="https://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/7f4b37634798952bc94303cc37671d90.png" height="20" border="0">&nbsp;<a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6628268.page"><b>Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:</b></a><br/>Except for the killing them to eat the corpse part. Oh, and the experimenting drugs and cosmetics on them. Those do not seem like they are going away anytime soon.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yes, very true <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> I should have said 'pets'.  People are increasingly treating household pets like little children that never grow up.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Actually, I think polygamy is way less likely. Why ?<br /> <div style="margin-top:5px; margin-bottom:10px;">
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</div><br /> So, progressives do not want polygamy because it is very strongly linked, and mostly argued for, by <i>extremely conservative</i> muslims, and conservatives do not want polygamy because it is very strongly linked, and mostly argued for, by extremely conservative <i>muslims</i> <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> .</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> That might depend on the country in question.  In the US its more of a Mormon issue, in Europe perhaps its more of a Muslim thing?<br /> <br /> Anyhow, I think the biggest stumbling on the left is the issue of patriarchy - there are reasons it's mostly one man and lots of women.  On the right I think it'll be opposed because it's yet chip at the image of the nuclear family.  And more than the issues either side have, I think the biggest problem is that it is such a minor issue - there aren't that many people wanting multiple partners.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6627348.page"><b>DutchWinsAll wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <br /> I can show you millions of examples of consenting adults engaging in homosexuality.  I can scarcely think of half a dozen incest examples that don't involve one partner having control over the other in the relationship. It's part of power dynamic in families.<br /> <br /> Father and child? That's obvious.<br /> Mother and child? That's obvious. Last episode of True Detective notwithstanding.<br /> <br /> That pretty much leaves siblings.  And it's not hard at all to imagine an older sibling using that to their advantage to gain incestual sex.<br /> <br />   So again, instead of talking in the hypothetical, show me the groups of consensual, equal adults engaging in incest, and them asking for acceptance.  I have no real moral qualms against that particular group other than I wouldn't participate myself. But if they presented their case, and nobody is being victimized, then yes I would support them.<br /> <br /> Trouble is I don't see these people. This thread itself is about 2 half-siblings fething each other in front of children while high on meth. Not exactly the best case for the pro-incest defense.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You've summed up my feelings pretty well.  From a strictly hypothetical setup, I would have no problem with incest between two consenting adults.  After all, they are adults, and they are consenting.  Nothing wrong with that.<br /> But the power dynamics inherent in a familial relationship screw the whole thing up.  Mother/child or Father/child relationships would be based on some pretty twisted power dynamics.  Even if the child was an adult, there is a very real possibility that there were emotional pressures used by one party (the parent) to influence the other party.  Can the child truly be said to consent?  The only time you ever see a dominant, sexually aggressive child in a parent/child incest relationship is in bad Japanese porn cartoons.  Even in a sibling/sibling relationship, there could be lingering emotional pressures in play.  We don't know what the kids' family lives were like prior to turning 18.  There could have been emotional abuse inflicted on one of them by the other that made them feel pressured into submitting to a sexual relationship once they turned 18.  Turning 18 doesn't erase several years of subtle or blatant emotional abuse.<br /> So yeah, in practice I'd have to say I'm against it.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6632895.page"><b>squidhills wrote:</b></a><br/><blockquote><div><a href="/dakkaforum/posts/preList/582855/6627348.page"><b>DutchWinsAll wrote:</b></a><br/><br /> <br /> I can show you millions of examples of consenting adults engaging in homosexuality.  I can scarcely think of half a dozen incest examples that don't involve one partner having control over the other in the relationship. It's part of power dynamic in families.<br /> <br /> Father and child? That's obvious.<br /> Mother and child? That's obvious. Last episode of True Detective notwithstanding.<br /> <br /> That pretty much leaves siblings.  And it's not hard at all to imagine an older sibling using that to their advantage to gain incestual sex.<br /> <br />   So again, instead of talking in the hypothetical, show me the groups of consensual, equal adults engaging in incest, and them asking for acceptance.  I have no real moral qualms against that particular group other than I wouldn't participate myself. But if they presented their case, and nobody is being victimized, then yes I would support them.<br /> <br /> Trouble is I don't see these people. This thread itself is about 2 half-siblings fething each other in front of children while high on meth. Not exactly the best case for the pro-incest defense.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You've summed up my feelings pretty well.  From a strictly hypothetical setup, I would have no problem with incest between two consenting adults.  After all, they are adults, and they are consenting.  Nothing wrong with that.<br /> But the power dynamics inherent in a familial relationship screw the whole thing up.  Mother/child or Father/child relationships would be based on some pretty twisted power dynamics.  Even if the child was an adult, there is a very real possibility that there were emotional pressures used by one party (the parent) to influence the other party.  Can the child truly be said to consent?  The only time you ever see a dominant, sexually aggressive child in a parent/child incest relationship is in bad Japanese porn cartoons.  Even in a sibling/sibling relationship, there could be lingering emotional pressures in play.  We don't know what the kids' family lives were like prior to turning 18.  There could have been emotional abuse inflicted on one of them by the other that made them feel pressured into submitting to a sexual relationship once they turned 18.  Turning 18 doesn't erase several years of subtle or blatant emotional abuse.<br /> So yeah, in practice I'd have to say I'm against it.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Honestly. off the top of my head, the best example I can think of is Lucrezia Borgia. And even that case is rife with rape, murder, and "Roman Popery"  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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