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There's a fair amount of porn related to incest and Pedo fantasy out there. Not to mention the horrible horrible animal porn (and Bronies, duh).

It is laughed at in the media, which is the first step to acceptance. The next would be organization. I think we've all seen enough "Catch a Predator" to understand the shocking prevalence of pedos. There's got to be more of the other two catagories out there. All they need to do is have a way of communicating, organizing, then pushing for change. The internet provides them with a way to do that.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
The internet provides them with a way to do that.

The Internet couldn't even make Snakes on a Plane a box office hit, so I'm a little dubious of it's ability to make an enormous, sweeping social change of the type you describe.

The obvious analogy you are trying to draw here is the slippery slope gay marriage has introduced. The state has no compelling interest in legislating the private sexual and romantic behaviors of consenting adults, but it so very obviously does have a compelling interest in regulating them between adults and those who cannot legally consent.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Captain Fantastic wrote:
I love 2D incest

Do you mean the cartoon ones ?

 Captain Fantastic wrote:
but the real thing is just disgusting. When you think about the normal relationships that siblings develop from growing up together, it seems perverse for the relationship to become sexual.

What about some Œdipe-like situation, where the people fall in love before learning they are actually related ?

uh...

That's okay. Unwitting incest isn't incest at all

What if they do continue after discovering it is incest ? Does it become bad ?
Also, what about people that actually do not share any ancestor, but got raised together as siblings because the father of one remarried with the mother of the other ?
I am asking those because the first one pushes the boundaries of a “blood-link” rejection of incest, and the second one pushes the boundaries of a “social relation” rejection of incest.

If I understood correctly, you believe in the second. But remarriage can lead to people being raised as sibling only once they have reached 10, 14 or even 18 ! When does it start being bad ?

Also still not sure what 2D incest is.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:


Also still not sure what 2D incest is.

I'm pretty sure it's just graphic (as in animation/comics) depiction of incest.

There was a discussion a while back about Kiddie Porn in comic form being ok because there wasn't any actual child involved. Sort of a "fantasy" version of sick things instead of real. I think this might be part of that. A depiction of incest instead of full-blown bro/sis intercourse. Similar to fantasy porn involving "schoolgirls".

That is why I proposed “cartoon incest”, but not sure that was it.
Also the big difference between child pornography and incest pornography is that it is so extremely easy to “fake” incest : just get the two actors to pretend they are siblings at the beginning of the movie, and done !

Lots of incestophobic bigotry in this thread.

 Captain Fantastic wrote:


uh...

That's okay. Unwitting incest isn't incest at all

It is though, isn't it?

 Monster Rain wrote:
Lots of incestophobic bigotry in this thread.

To be fair incest does increase chance of fluctuating facial asymmetry, lower birth rate, higher infant mortality, slower growth rate, smaller adult size and loss of immune system function but other than that I don't know why it's so taboo maybe it screws around with the family dynamic too

much.

If anything, incest makes the family more dynamic. Which can only be a good thing.

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
Lots of incestophobic bigotry in this thread.

To be fair incest does increase chance of fluctuating facial asymmetry, lower birth rate, higher infant mortality, slower growth rate, smaller adult size and loss of immune system function but other than that I don't know why it's so taboo maybe it screws around with the family dynamic too

much.

Reproduction shouldn't have any bearing on the social tolerance for others' lifestyle choices.

#everythreadonsamesexmarriageever


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 Medium of Death wrote:
If anything, incest makes the family more dynamic. Which can only be a good thing.

The family that lays together stays together?

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
Lots of incestophobic bigotry in this thread.

To be fair incest does increase chance of fluctuating facial asymmetry, lower birth rate, higher infant mortality, slower growth rate, smaller adult size and loss of immune system function but other than that I don't know why it's so taboo maybe it screws around with the family dynamic too

much.

Well duh, that's what abortion's for.

 Monster Rain wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
Lots of incestophobic bigotry in this thread.

To be fair incest does increase chance of fluctuating facial asymmetry, lower birth rate, higher infant mortality, slower growth rate, smaller adult size and loss of immune system function but other than that I don't know why it's so taboo maybe it screws around with the family dynamic too

much.

Reproduction shouldn't have any bearing on the social tolerance for others' lifestyle choices.

#everythreadonsamesexmarriageever

I'm pretty sure gay rights has more to do with sexuality than reproduction.


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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
Lots of incestophobic bigotry in this thread.

To be fair incest does increase chance of fluctuating facial asymmetry, lower birth rate, higher infant mortality, slower growth rate, smaller adult size and loss of immune system function but other than that I don't know why it's so taboo maybe it screws around with the family dynamic too

much.

Well duh, that's what abortion's for.

Can be, if that's what the pregnant woman is concerned about or it could be for a bunch of other reasons such as she doesn't want a child, isn't financially capable of having a child, etc.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

It is laughed at in the media, which is the first step to acceptance. The next would be organization. I think we've all seen enough "Catch a Predator" to understand the shocking prevalence of pedos. There's got to be more of the other two catagories out there. All they need to do is have a way of communicating, organizing, then pushing for change. The internet provides them with a way to do that.

How successful was NAMBLA? I mean, it was an organization that pushed for controversial change, so clearly pedophilia is legal, right?

 Ouze wrote:

Although Rose Leslie is a strong, strong contender.

I always liked Gemma Whelan.

Yes, because the first gay-rights organization succeeded the first time out as well.

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
Lots of incestophobic bigotry in this thread.

To be fair incest does increase chance of fluctuating facial asymmetry, lower birth rate, higher infant mortality, slower growth rate, smaller adult size and loss of immune system function but other than that I don't know why it's so taboo maybe it screws around with the family dynamic too

much.

Reproduction shouldn't have any bearing on the social tolerance for others' lifestyle choices.

#everythreadonsamesexmarriageever

I'm pretty sure gay rights has more to do with sexuality than reproduction.

An irrelevant distinction.

Your contention seemed to be that incest is bad because of its effect on reproduction. As has been repeated ad infinitum, reproduction doesn't matter when deciding what consenting adults should be allowed to be together. Furthermore, who's to say that some people aren't born with a predisposition to bone their siblings? Why discriminate against these people?

Because you're an Incestophobe and should feel bad.

The inter-family relationship isn't really a big deal to me. Being a meth user and taking care of children is the problem I see here.

 Monster Rain wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
Lots of incestophobic bigotry in this thread.

To be fair incest does increase chance of fluctuating facial asymmetry, lower birth rate, higher infant mortality, slower growth rate, smaller adult size and loss of immune system function but other than that I don't know why it's so taboo maybe it screws around with the family dynamic too

much.

Reproduction shouldn't have any bearing on the social tolerance for others' lifestyle choices.

#everythreadonsamesexmarriageever

I'm pretty sure gay rights has more to do with sexuality than reproduction.

An irrelevant distinction.

Your contention seemed to be that incest is bad because of its effect on reproduction. As has been repeated ad infinitum, reproduction doesn't matter when deciding what consenting adults should be allowed to be together. Furthermore, who's to say that some people aren't born with a predisposition to bone their siblings? Why discriminate against these people?

Well, most relationships aren't incestuous so the concern for defects probably isn't as high therefore reproduction wouldn't be such an issue, but even if you're not bothered by the idea incestuous relationships increasing the risks of defects (or can at least tolerate it) I still have to wonder

about such relationships such as a father having sex with his daughter, having sex with other siblings, etc and whether that is healthy psychologically.

However you claim to justify it, having a problem with the sexuality of consenting adults is bigotry. The internet has spoken.

 Monster Rain wrote:
However you claim to justify it, having a problem with the sexuality of consenting adults is bigotry. The internet has spoken.

I find the idea of a father-daughter relationship as consensual to be somewhat dubious.

I saw a few of them on maury/ Jerry Springer , and Jerry was real I tell you.

I guess two consenting cousins wouldn't be so bad as there wouldn't be as much abuse of power as there would be with having a physical relationship with a mother or father.

 Cheesecat wrote:
I find the idea of a father-daughter relationship as consensual to be somewhat dubious.

Even if the daughter is 30, has a job, financially independence, and everything ?

 Monster Rain wrote:
However you claim to justify it, having a problem with the sexuality of consenting adults is bigotry. The internet has spoken.

And if the internet were to be taken as gospel, 90% of the world should be lined up against a wall and shot for being absolute monsters.

feth the internet.

 Monster Rain wrote:
An irrelevant distinction.

Your contention seemed to be that incest is bad because of its effect on reproduction. As has been repeated ad infinitum, reproduction doesn't matter when deciding what consenting adults should be allowed to be together. Furthermore, who's to say that some people aren't born with a predisposition to bone their siblings? Why discriminate against these people?

This is awesome, but I wish more were taking the bait. Exalted either way.

The incestophobes are hiding in shame. As they should be.

 Monster Rain wrote:
The incestophobes are hiding in shame. As they should be.

I don't know whether I should applause your epic sarcasm or punch you in the face. Could I send someone over to do both?


(in his will Frazzled wants to be cremated and formed into buckshot pellets which will then be shot into a handy list of people that have ticked me off. "Hold still! Its in his will!")

Just exploring where the line is drawn as to what is acceptable to transpire between consenting adults. Well, outside of West Virginia anyway.

In the customary fashion.

 Seaward wrote:

 Monster Rain wrote:
An irrelevant distinction.

Your contention seemed to be that incest is bad because of its effect on reproduction. As has been repeated ad infinitum, reproduction doesn't matter when deciding what consenting adults should be allowed to be together. Furthermore, who's to say that some people aren't born with a predisposition to bone their siblings? Why discriminate against these people?

This is awesome, but I wish more were taking the bait. Exalted either way.

I know it's a bait but I still think it's an interesting discussion to have.