Peregrine wrote:
Flyers are broken in so many ways, and a strong reason not to play 8th.

Anon052 wrote:
What do people think about flyers in 8ed now that all rules are leaked? I have seen the Ork, Eldar und Dark Eldar flyers.

When getting shoot at a -1 to hit modifier. So they will be easier to hit for most units.

Minimal movement of all flyers I have seen is 20, a little bit more as in 7th. Max movement varies. Apart from the craftworld flyers who can pivot 90° a second time after movement all flyers can only pivot one time 90° before movement. Leaving the table is not an option because if you do the flyer is destroyed.

You have to see the target you shoot at, you can't shoot behind you or sideways.

Flyer seem to be the only unit where manoevering/facing is extremly important now but at the same time it is more difficult to line up to shoot at viable targets even moreso without the ability to come back at an better position after leaving the table. I am not shure if they are worth to take.
What are your thoughts?

 Trickstick wrote:
Fickle is the path of optimal meta...

Seriously though, that is a shame. I wouldn't be too quick to judge. I haven't read the Tyranid rules, but is it possible the units went from outstandin to mid-level, instead of trash-tier? It is hard to tell what changes mean when everything else in the game has also moved around. Just because something got worse, if everything else got _more_ worse, then it really went up.

 ross-128 wrote:
Do Flyrants even have a minimum move? I would have expected them to get the same treatment as the Heldrake, where it's basically a skimmer with 30" or so of movement.

 Peregrine wrote:
Flyers are broken in so many ways, and a strong reason not to play 8th.

 Crablezworth wrote:

 son_of_osiris wrote:
On the topic of flyers, it seems like even jet fighters are deployed on the board with the rest of your army? Is it just me, or does that seem insanely dumb??

It's not just you, it is incredibly ill conceived. Like after seeing the heldrake I'm just sorta shaking my head. I do feel flyers should have to start in reserve.

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 Crablezworth wrote:

 son_of_osiris wrote:
I think the other ill conceived aspect is being able to take a detachmet of 3 flyers that have nothing in common with your faction. IE whichever flyers turn out to be the winners IE best efficacy for point cost, just become auto take for every other faction.

In Matched play, your army need to have a cohesive Faction Keyword in all of your detachments. So you can't have Tau with Eldar, or Tyranids with Imperium, etc...

If you have a Imperium army you can only take Detachments with at minimun the imperium keyword.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/727122/9398747.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/727122/9398747.page GMT

 son_of_osiris wrote:
On the topic of flyers, it seems like even jet fighters are deployed on the board with the rest of your army? Is it just me, or does that seem insanely dumb??

 Trickstick wrote:

 ross-128 wrote:
Vendettas seeming to get squatted...

There are two missing pages just after the valkyrie. So there is hope. Otherwise, FW will definitely release rules.

 Marmatag wrote:
I think it's a good thing fliers are hittable by shooting. it's frustrating both (a) going up against someone who brings fliers when you don't have a solid answer and (b) having flying units you don't want to use, because no one has a good answer.

 Charistoph wrote:

Crablezworth wrote:It's not just you, it is incredibly ill conceived. Like after seeing the heldrake I'm just sorta shaking my head. I do feel flyers should have to start in reserve.

It's not like Reserves isn't the random thing that it used to be, anyway. You choose when the come on to the table, so requiring them to be in Reserves isn't as much a balancing as it used to be. In fact any unit with a minimum Movement would probably want to start in Reserves so that it doesn't put itself in a position to be isolated.

 lolman1c wrote:
Few things I'm confused about... How are flyers easier to hit if you now need to add one to your BS skill to hit it? (Orks would need a 6 to hit it). It is annoying we can no loner us the going off the table rule but now twin link is gone and other stuff that helps my Ork bommers, I'm pretty happy. Finally, I see the shooting faze as happen during tge movement faze. So even though you role after you move, you have to imagine you were shooting while moving like a strave run. Any unit behind you, thus, was in range of your guns while you shot.