Thanks Guys!
Other than the base, I think I'll call him finished
Automatically Appended Next Post: ..BTW, While I painted this, I listened to the 40's on 4 on Sirius XM, I heard two songs from Fallout 3 during that time!
Great work on the skin tone, you got that perfectly right.
What's missing imo is some more actual shading, which you should apply exclusively to the recesses and not as a complete filter.
Damn you work fast. Some excellent work in the three or four days since I last posted. My absolute favorite piece has to be the shopping trolley though. Awesome. Just awesome.
The likeness to the original footage is spot on mate and the speed you're churning these out at, are you sure you have a job
The colour tone is a good likeness as well not something I would have wanted to attempt to be honest, the new Super Mutant Brute is a brilliant likeness the armour add ons look great
dsteingass wrote: I'm not happy with the barrels, I'll need to rework them yet, I just needed a lenght proxy when posing him with his clipped appendages
Yes LDD, I have a job..for now. I took yesterday afternoon off, figured I might as well make it worth it.
wow... the new gunner looks as if taken from the game graphics... really coolconversion work there... the barrels look a bit off for the thickness of the rods used and the lenght is a bit more than original...but i still like it immensly!!!
but what i really like about the behemoth and the other super mutie is the stained steel... that´s gotta be your best to date metal work you did... it really looks the spitting image... dunno how you did it... but that is now a must for everything you did... from now on
and about the new GW paint range... i meant to ask about those glazes...i think i have a bit of loose change that i would like to spend on paints... you think i should invest in glazes? that´s why i asked for descriptions...
The answer is always YES Vik, buy any and all glazes, inks, washes, shades, etc you find, from any manufacturer, you'll always find a use for them. You know what shades and washes do already, the pigment settles into the recesses, giving you shadow right? Well Glazes do not settle in, they are meant to tint or change the color below them, so they go on like a tinted clear coat. GW only sells the Glazes in primary colors, that is all you'll ever need is the 4 colors.
Automatically Appended Next Post: ..And Vik, thanks, but the Minigun is exactly the same length as the Brotherhood Minigun I made, so I don't know what you mean about being too long.
Automatically Appended Next Post: The BoS or any Human holds the trigger end back towards his/her body, where a Super Mutant is strong enough to wield it more forward.
Automatically Appended Next Post: But regardles, I am lucky to be able to make that pose in the first place with the static hammer-swinging pose of Brother Vinni's miniature. Yes, the Brute is converted from the same exact mini and pose as the other Super Mutant.
don´t get me wrong mister... the conversion work is extreme.... and totally something that gives me the joy for looking at... and seeing and instatly! recognizing what you had in mind... you know for an artist this is the hardest part... make people understand what you went for... and you executed that task brilliantly!
and... i gotta ask... how did you feel sawing the limbs apart and was it rather easy or more akward? i never did that level of chopping... yet...
and as for the glazes... understood... no further comment needed then
Believe it or not, resin limbs and heads clip off very nicely with a pair of sharp clippers! It was my first mad-dok experiment with this level of butchery too!
Automatically Appended Next Post: 5mm round..I've GOT to remember the FO minigun is a 5mm round...Ammunition is measured in circumference, right?
That is a very small bullet!
.>So the barrels can be smaller??
Right?
The previous barrels were the smallest tube I have, so I'll need to use rod..do I have a drill bit small enough to drill the barrels out?
dsteingass wrote: Believe it or not, resin limbs and heads clip off very nicely with a pair of sharp clippers! It was my first mad-dok experiment with this level of butchery too!
Automatically Appended Next Post: 5mm round..I've GOT to remember the FO minigun is a 5mm round...Ammunition is measured in circumference, right?
That is a very small bullet!
.>So the barrels can be smaller??
Right?
The previous barrels were the smallest tube I have, so I'll need to use rod..do I have a drill bit small enough to drill the barrels out?
see?! that was what made me think...5mm is really rather tiny in comparrision for other guns... but it figures if you think a moment... the amount of bullets you would need to stash for just a short burst is very high... so smaller bullets with maybe caseless even is not too far away... smaller barrels thus indeed...
and if you have a small enough drill...hmmm... maybe just make some small muzzles on the barrels ends? but i´ve just had a look... no real muzzlesbreaks on that mini gun... your first version is already very much to the real thing as it is...
That's one thing I'll change, I never understood why it has the ammo box attached, AND wearing it gives you a huge ammo hopper on your back? It should be one or the other eh?
hmmm... i dunno... could be that the smaller amo pack is for giving a certain flow... so that you never run short of bullets in mid burst... i expect some sort of engine for transporting the belt further? lots of reasons why you would have two storage means connected to each other...
That's one thing I'll change, I never understood why it has the ammo box attached, AND wearing it gives you a huge ammo hopper on your back? It should be one or the other eh?
Even a modern day minigun can put out 2000 - 6000 rounds a min', so you really need both...
And maybe it's a battery pack to power the barrel rotation
Yeah man! I'd recommend them for your Plastruct products like railings and pipe fittings and such, cheaper than most hobby stores, and free shipping if you spend enough or there is a sale
Automatically Appended Next Post: Speaking of railings..I have this bananas idea for Fallout terrain! ..I am sooo excited about this one....
The more I go through that site the more I go *gasp!* I so want that! And that! No way, they have THAT?
Time to keep things in perspective. I'm getting behind in my 'completed projects vs. material for new projects' initiative. Basically I need to finish some stuff before I get new stuff. And I need more storage for completed projects. I'm thinking a new set of shelves and a re-work of space I already have available are in my near future.
Skalk Bloodaxe wrote: Not on current topic but wanted to share this. Found this link today. It's amazing. I could spend an insane amount of money there.
Hope this helps someone out. There's so much amazing stuff there.
OMGURD! Skalk...... have MY BABIES....... NOW!
I am going to damn well join this league if it's the last thing i do in life ! and in preperation I shall be spending oodles of money I should be spending elsewhere on a large package of plastic ...stuff!..... what size are we using in comparison gents? do I but HO? or N or what? gets a bit confusing for the scale challenged
O scale is perfect, but sometimes HO things can be used, depending on the texture (as long as there are no scalebusters)- don't buy HO scale textured brick or anything like that, it won't look right. Stick with O or 1/35 model bitz.
Have a look around the googles and see if you cant find a bulk supplier of High impact polystyrene sheet (the trade name for plasticard). I bought 5 square metres for £30.
If you buy A4 plasticard sheets from hobby shops you pay a premium for it being a 'hobby' material.
In the US, I use www.iplasticsupply.com- (High-impact styrene) they even custom-cut and shipped me sheets of PVC foam (wasn't on the website, but I called, asked, and they delivered it). I save at least 300% over buying in Hobby Shops. I still get textured plasticard and shaped rods and tubes from Plastruct and Evergreen, but sheets are much cheaper.
It's called an Easter Egg, it's just a silly placement by the developers to make you smile
aaaaaaaaaaah makes sense now... I just stumbled on the pic while googling Fallout Toilets... I'll have to remember to move him when I find him... I was more bemused by why a Protectron would be on the loo lols
dsteingass wrote: lol, yeah there is scrap metal in the toilet. Laughing at potty humor will always keep you 12 years old at heart!
lol yeah... speaking of being 12... I still haven't gone on the game since the other night because of lamplight caverns... stupid kids... Oh and I got my dog killed as well as paladin star... whoops... stupid raiders...
dsteingass wrote: O scale is perfect, but sometimes HO things can be used, depending on the texture (as long as there are no scalebusters)- don't buy HO scale textured brick or anything like that, it won't look right. Stick with O or 1/35 model bitz.
1/48 scale works really well too. It's a bit harder to find (1/24 seem to rule the market) bit totally worth it. I have a 1/48 M113 APC that is only slightly (and I mean slightly) larger than the current GW Rhino.
There's been always been a scale disparity between countries regarding the 1/whatever and how O and N and HO are measured. Not sure why, but I've researched this and see the same information in each search I've done.
I've always found 1:48 scale to be the better scale for gaming with, having been bored one night and worked it out... but I guess its purely personal really
I have some HO on my tabletop, and so long as you remove the bits that put into scale perspective it works out really well. Here are some examples:
Tower is HO scale. I removed the ladder and a couple other gubbins and it looks just fine on my Heroic 28mm scale table.
HO scale fuel tank. Just noticed I left a bit of ladder on it. That'll get torn off next time I use it.
You can force a scale perspective with many things. I try to avoid 1/72 unless it's smashed up junk rubble. Same w/ 1/24 scale. 1/35 is close enough where I'd use it for most things (like the 1/35 Humvee I converted into a Gorkamorka trukk) but if I can get my hands on 1/48 I'm as close as I'll get to 28mm w/o it being a GW product.
The benefit of 1/72 scale gaming is it's affordability, any kind of model kit, railroad product (like that badass tank Skalk, se he removed or hid any scalebusters, rivets are ALWAYS in scale) can be used for whatever you'd like, it's just a matter of the scale.. The downside is a market flooded with crap-tastic,mass-produced figs...but they are cheap.
hey dave... today i went to the GW shop next to me when coming home from work...
well i let the guy there teach me (in german...) all about glazes and washes and inks... he said... the current range of glazes has much in common with the old citadel inks... what´s your opinion on that?
well i got three of the four glazes then and also i got me a drybrush gold paint... i think this will serve me nicely for my brass works on upcoming projects... and the new turquise equivalent... gotta get that verdigris effect right finally...
No, I don't agree, the old Inks were pure brilliance, far superior to the glazes because you could easily make a glaze from ink just by thinning it. Inks had dense pigments.
(/best Yes Man impression)
Thanks Guys!
I'm So Glad you asked!
the doors are from my good Friend Kit!
www.zinge.co.uk Stop by and tell him I sent you!
(/end best Yes Man impression)
Dave good work at making the mutants look Vault 87-esque
When you read the notes on supermutants in that vault you start realizing, the changes from human to supermutant sounds suspiciously like our favorite race of greenskins from the 41st millenia
@Zinge, once I have a money source, I likely will be ordering tank bits from you
Well, the mariposa ones from earlier FO were still physically like Orks, but mentally capable of still having a decent conversation. Now the Nightkin in New Vegas are a mixed bag as they are plain crazy! and blue like Tau
No dude. You're utterly nuts. But then they do say that genius is often confused with insanity..... or was it the other way around? Who cares? It's awe-inspiring regardless.
Sorry Dave, but to answer your question..yes, you are totally insane...there's nothing on the other side of that door dude!
And Dave's right vik, there is no way you can compare the old GW inks to glazes - the coverage on those old inks was insane, I still haven't found a really good substitute for the red and yellow now I've finished my last drips
Cheers vik, but I'll survive I have several different yellows floating about, and one of the Windsor & Newton ones is pretty close, just a tad less vibrant than the old GW - just getting in a touch of the 'not as good as it was back in the day' as is my wont
There is nothing on the other side of the door YET, monkey!
For now, this one room will be finished specifically as a set for photography (Vik's comment earlier has been burning in my brain). Am I insane??? We will see if I eventually expand it into a complete Rivet City board
Automatically Appended Next Post: Baiyuan, I will, I will, but I need some finished miniatures first
It was your idea Vik! It's been on my mind since you said it
Automatically Appended Next Post: ..Besides, if you play Fallout, you know that there are some locked rooms that don't have gak in them, we've all cussed at those rooms
by the way... is it me or is it really easy to get door open when you reroll the lockpicking due to quicksaves? my current char is going through the wastelands and is hardly ever loosing any clamps...
S/L magic Vik You never fully realise what a wonder it is until you get smashed by locked down RNG like in the new X-Com... sorry... to much pain on that one...
On topic - the marx cars look more in scale for me but I absolutely love the idea of a whole Rivet city! If anyone can pull this out it's Dave
Wow, it's looking absolutely fantastic. Love the Brother Vinni figs, gotta get some.
Unfortunately for me, I decided to go the 15mm route for my Fallout games. It does have it's benefits, like there's more scenery available, it's cheaper and it's quicker to paint. But, your 28mm version is pretty bad-ass I must say.
I haven't updated it in quite a while due to family emergencies, but I've got a lot of new stuff and more painted minis I need to post. Man, I really like the soda machines of yours. Can't find quite the same thing in 15mm. They're just not ..Fallouty.
you know dave... concering escapism... you are doing it wrong^^... you are locking yourself up in those cool lookinng steelpadded rooms ... very cool looking pipes...and lol... the outside world again is seen through the keyholes
and maxim... cool looking work you started there... and i see...the most benefit of going down the 15mm road is that you get lots of cool looking cars... i bet regular matchbox sized cars are quite into 15 scale?
Thanks a Lot Maxim! I really appreciate it man! That is a great-looking game though! The telephone poles and tire piles are the awesomesauce on top! And WHOA You paint 15mm that well!?! That is amazing sir!
Yep Vik, Matchbox can work, but those slightly larger ones that Maxim used look better IMHO.
Thanks for the link Maxim. Interesting stuff you've been working on. I made the switch to 15mm for everythig sci-fi but 40K and POst-Apoc about two years ago and haven't looked back. I'm even thinking about switching over to 15mm for my fantasy rpg stuff as well now.
dsteingass wrote:And it means that I should listen to you guys more...
Thanks to LDD, the ebay Marx cars arrived today, and guess what? My beloved Corvega is too big
Just turn it into a Nuka Cola truck! (You could even have a missing door )
HAHA, The Nuka Cola Truck will be my eventual masterpiece, or my doom
Automatically Appended Next Post: I use the "Flying Lead" rules for just about any type of skirmish game in 15mm myself. I built a Stalingrad table for Flying Lead, everything is played on a 2x2' board.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Meanwhile..these are becoming easier to build
And this is my stash
Yes sir! Those are it. I got 4 sets, and that is all the panels that I have. Like I did with the hatch doors, I am going to need to convert the doorframes from the set into more panels to fill it out like I want.
Awesome! that's good for me then! how big has it enabled you to build the diorama? I plan on making my kits into a hidden imperial xenos dissection lab! :-)
You see the last pic there, I'm hoping to complete that one last row of full panels on top, I may have to get creative, but I need those top few inches as a block for the photography.
If you are insane, I want your illness. That is incredible. Yeah, so a lot of it is prefab. Whatever. it takes the mind of a master to take all those bitz and put them together into something so well done. Can hardly wait to see how you 'ruin' it up w/ rust and corrosion and pools of toxic goo and scorch marks and impact divots and and and and... look, a squirrel!
Dave, I got another small drop myself today but am yet to open it up! but in it it is another little present for you when i send the tiny machining tools ;-) I got a few thinking I would need them all but it looks like i won't so woo hoo for you my friend! I can pm you a pic if you want to see if it's useful?
I almost typed, "Thanks Vik" but then I noticed the dreads and realized it was Monkey!
This is the kit door that I am sacrificing for the needed wall panels
While cool in itself...like Maxim said, it isn't "fallouty" enough IMHO
.>Now if one were to try to mimick an Enclave facility??.>Then yes, I think they could be used, but not this Robco/factory/Metro vibe I am generically going for But If you were doing Enclave terrain, then you'd have other problems to worry about with angles and shiit like that
Looking really very good Dave. that custom panel looks awesome. It also looks potentially castable, but I've got to get better at making molds before I would want to try. (would require a 2part mold...)
whoa! that was a huge leap in that project... where did all the right side come from all of a sudden? finally the walls seem to be closing in
also... where the boilers are standing... what do you intend to do to the floor there?
and will you show us the backside of your construction? would love to see how you got everything well supported so that working further on that piece doesn´t ruin something...
whoa... very risky... what would happen if your hand slips? or do you think it is sturdy enough? just asking as my own creations are never that thin and frail looking.... mine are alwayds able to take quite some punishment... tho i might be too cautious....
Yes, my secret is discovered!
no, the stairs are handcrafted by Plastruct There is nothing two pieces of 1/4" PVC foam cannot accomplish
It's all been primed now...
Automatically Appended Next Post: See?
..And yes..I used a rattle can..because the weather was right for it
If you keep going that way mate you just might open your own Daveland or something one day... A terrain mecca for the likes of us... I can sell tickets
I have ideas that need to transfer from my head to the table, if I let storage space be an excuse, I wouldn't build anything at all. It's only 1' cubed.
nope no cake, but I know I am getting old when 2-3 beers with my dinner just makes me want to go to sleep
Automatically Appended Next Post: 5 years ago, for my 30th, I had a big party, I drank myself pickled, and I was still the last one to be done that night/morning. I did that often, and I have no idea how I used to do that.
dsteingass wrote: I know I am getting old when 2-3 beers with my dinner just makes me want to go to sleep
Uhm... no. Have 4-5 beers, it gets you past that stage. I've got 10 years on you and I can still table most of the people I drink with.
Back on topic, PLEASE do a quick tut on those stairs! I am having a wicked bad time trying to figure that out. The steps I made for my 1st LoER entry was the hardest thing I did on the entire model, and they are still a bit wonky. W. the project I'm working right now stairs are *mandatory* and I'm failing that task miserably.
Yep, (and some Ibeam or U-channel) I've made lots and lots of stairs in my time, this is absolutely the best way to do it, unless you want minis to be able to stand on each step..but then it looks funny IMHO.
yes, i see that this waether calls for an outside priming job
very good looking start with the paintjob! the stained walls and the rusted floor... looks mighty promising...
and lol... you glued foamcore to the backsides!!! hehe! but for lighting issues this will be the ideal choice!
as for beer... well usually when i drink anything stronger than juice i get a really dumb grin and start embaresing myself... since i got kids around me i altogether quit drinking stronger stuff... the last bit where some alc is happening in my life is the tiramisu me and my wife make on our own there you definatly can´t go without (and for your record...its plain delicious art we craft then )
Viktor von Domm wrote:the tiramisu me and my wife make on our own there you definatly can´t go without (and for your record...its plain delicious art we craft then )
As long as you don't ruin it by using Espresso or Amaretto, like most Germans do. Bloody barbarians...
dsteingass wrote:
I'm a little surprised you didn't use salt weathering for a project of this size. Is there a reason?
Wow wow wow... This is just.. wow.
This is why I love this site! Please in future whenever you paint new minis put them in here to take pictures, so we can see more of this beauty =D
That green is a really good choice Don't just wanna sound like a fanboy, but just think this is soo pretty!
Viktor von Domm wrote:the tiramisu me and my wife make on our own there you definatly can´t go without (and for your record...its plain delicious art we craft then )
As long as you don't ruin it by using Espresso or Amaretto, like most Germans do. Bloody barbarians...
erm...er... well i use for my own take capuccino and in fact atm amaretto... i DO know you are supposed to use another drink... keep forgetting tho which one
dsteingass wrote:
I'm a little surprised you didn't use salt weathering for a project of this size. Is there a reason?
Automatically Appended Next Post: The weathering begins with an innocent sponge
Automatically Appended Next Post: Here's my salute to Mitt Romney
Airbrushing history
that is wicked looking... straight from the game graphics it seems... the weathering looks very good... atm i am sitting on the laptop of my wife... so later on i need to look at it again on my pc.. laptops are crappy...
the mitten joke escaped me slightly... is it about the gak on your finger on that pic or that you use rotten green
Yep, ol Mitt can't keep track of his own lies anymore, since he's told so many. He is absolutely guilty of trying to airbrush history, and the President called him on this in some hilarious ways.
Automatically Appended Next Post: my point was, leave that to me, since I can do a better job than he can.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Obama: “I think Governor Romney maybe hasn’t spent enough time looking at how our military works. You mention the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we had in 1916. Well Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets. Because the nature of the military has changed. … The question is not a game of battleship or counting ships, it’s what are our capabilities.”
How is it possible that I have more knowledge of modern 21st Century warfare than the Republican (pro-war) candidate?
dsteingass wrote: Yep, ol Mitt can't keep track of his own lies anymore, since he's told so many. He is absolutely guilty of trying to airbrush history, and the President called him on this in some hilarious ways.
Automatically Appended Next Post: my point was, leave that to me, since I can do a better job than he can.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Obama: “I think Governor Romney maybe hasn’t spent enough time looking at how our military works. You mention the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we had in 1916. Well Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets. Because the nature of the military has changed. … The question is not a game of battleship or counting ships, it’s what are our capabilities.”
How is it possible that I have more knowledge of modern 21st Century warfare than the Republican (pro-war) candidate?
brilliant!!! i think obama should win allready for trashing mittens sorry behind... how can someone waste all that (from other peeps) hard earned money, to get NOT-elected for president? if that can of worms is in fact getting elected... i fear for the rest of the world... romney will probably nuke europe because he can´t spell find asia on the globe...
on a totally unrelated note... had a look again at your recent pics... man... whatever you are taking to get this good with painting... don´t you dare ever stop... those pills sure make you gain extra prowess in painting!!!
Mitt has no idea of even middle-school geography:
ROMNEY: "Syria is Iran's only ally in the Arab world. It's their route to the sea."
THE FACTS: Iran has a large southern coastline with access to the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman. And it has no land border with Syria.
That is really the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about. These campaigns cost Billions of dollars that could be better spent in a billion better ways, but 11% of Americans actually believe Obama is a Muslim, and not a US Citizen despite plenty of empirical evidence to the contrary, they just keep making gak up. The more truthful facts you enlighten them with, the more craziness they make up.
Automatically Appended Next Post: The only thing I can guess is that the fact that he is black is not enough to hate him, it is the reason, but most Americans are too afraid to be honest about their bigotry, so I think they feel justified in hating him if they believe he is a Muslim..I dunno.
The only thing I can guess is that the fact that he is black is not enough to hate him, it is the reason, but most Americans are too afraid to be honest about their bigotry, so I think they feel justified in hating him if they believe he is a Muslim..I dunno.
yup.... in fact i still marvel at the long livity of obama.... when he got elected i silently counted the days when he would get killed by some weirdo... and i was proven wrong...??? well... the main question we have to ask ourself is... who will get in line after obama? and if romney then competes again... will the rebullicans win because there will be no obama then? that is quite frightening...!!!
Every 4 years it's the same dance, the same shifting of power, not just the President's seat, but the Congress and the Senate too. left , right, left, right
honestly? i think the US could do with a long term dictatorship that save money... stays warmongery the same way as ever and gives the rest of the world a face that doesn´t change so often.... look at france... italy or well for that matter germany... we all had our lil pocket tyranns for manny years... even the UK iron lady... you had back then something to rely on (even if it was something horribly )
Hey!! Enough politics!...Politics lead to war..and we all know
War......war never Changes.
Today is
International Fallout Day!!
October 23, 2077: "The Great War"
After decades of feuding over the world's resources, the breaking point is finally reached. No one knows who the first one was to press the button, but in the space of roughly two hours on October 23, 2077, nuclear arsenals across the world are emptied as nations effectively destroy one another in a single, collaborative action. The long years of needless death and destruction in a fight to control Earth's resources are made futile as society comes crashing down in less time than it takes to watch the average movie. The survivors refer to this man-made apocalypse as "The Great War."
http://www.ugo.com/games/fallout-retrospective-the-great-war
dsteingass wrote: It's a matter of efficiency. I feel I can better control the effect manually with a sponge and brush much quicker than with the salt method.
on a not really funy and not really related note.... my six year old son asked me today....:papa...what do you want us to put on your tombstone? (we´ve watched a movie where this guy placed a flower on a tombstone for someone...) that really brought a tear to my eye...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Chuck was just goofing on camera between takes for his Bowflex infomercials, he didn't expect it to be released to the public
Automatically Appended Next Post: no, seriously Baiyuan..WTF is what a lot of us are saying.
mates... you should do yourself a treat and watch a german dubbed something of chuck... really... if that is his original voice... how on eath could that guy ever get that famous? he sounds like kermit the frog... regardless of what he is saying....
I'd say reinstate Civics as a core subject myself.
i think that would be a good move... here in germany we also have a course that´s called "life skills" which also features different religions and wolrd views... always helpful to understand your neighbor... better always than shooting him
I'd say reinstate Civics as a core subject myself.
i think that would be a good move... here in germany we also have a course that´s called "life skills" which also features different religions and wolrd views... always helpful to understand your neighbor... better always than shooting him
that was called "Contemperary History" or "Social Studies" here. Civics was speciffically about how the govt and society was supposed to work. (how to be a good citizen, who was responsible for what issue, etc)
We are all required to take a US Government class in high-school, I didn't learn gak from it really.
You guys really have no clue, people are saying things like this today:
"Traditionally when the communist conquer a country one of the first groups they round up and shoot are the teachers, which means they will finally end the teachers union death hold on the DNC. So it isn't all bad."
So, somehow Unions are now all evil, teachers all deserve to die, and the typical uneducated "Pinko Commie" crap from the 1950s is being regurgitated. Is it simply because they are stupid? Or is it because they just grab onto whatever rhetoric that justifies their anger/hatred/bigotry and refuse to become more knowledgeable?
Automatically Appended Next Post: They have convinced Factory Workers that The Corporations are never going to take advantage of people ever again, so abolish all labor unions.
-That's leadership!
dsteingass wrote: We are all required to take a US Government class in high-school, I didn't learn gak from it really.
You guys really have no clue, people are saying things like this today:
"Traditionally when the communist conquer a country one of the first groups they round up and shoot are the teachers, which means they will finally end the teachers union death hold on the DNC. So it isn't all bad."
So, somehow Unions are now all evil, teachers all deserve to die, and the typical uneducated "Pinko Commie" crap from the 1950s is being regurgitated. Is it simply because they are stupid? Or is it because they just grab onto whatever rhetoric that justifies their anger/hatred/bigotry and refuse to become more knowledgeable?
Automatically Appended Next Post: They have convinced Factory Workers that The Corporations are never going to take advantage of people ever again, so abolish all labor unions.
-That's leadership!
ugh...we can fix that entire problem with mutual respect one person at a time. Perhaps replace 19th century ideas of loyalty to king and country with respect for other people and screwing another person over is punishable by death, and You've got the basis for the Dave empire!
Back to the thing that is frustrating me more than anything right now, How can people believe a lie when there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary?
Social Dominance Theory
Unlike theories that seek to explain conservatism with reference to affective differences arising from parenting styles or childhood socialization, social dominance theory emphasizes evolutionary and societal factors as determinants of politically conservative (or“hierarchy-enhancing”) orientations. According to social dominance theory, human societies strive to minimize group conflict by developing ideological belief systems that justify the hegemony of some groups over others (Pratto, 1999; Pratto et al., 1994; Sidanius,1993; Sidanius & Pratto, 1999; Sidanius et al., 1996). This is achieved through the promulgation of various “legitimizing myths” such as the following: (a) “paternalistic myths,” which assert that dominant groups are needed to lead and take care of subordinate groups, who are incapable of leading and taking care of themselves; (b) “reciprocal myths,” which claim that a symbiotic relationship exists between dominant and subordinate groups and that both groups help each other; and (c) “sacred myths,” which allege that positions of dominance and subordination are determined by God or some other divine right (see Sidanius, 1993, pp. 207–209). Ideological devices such as these are inherently conservative in content because they seek to preserve existing hierarchies of status, power, and wealth and to prevent qualitative social change (e.g., Sidanius & Pratto, 1999).
So now that I understand the reasons behind group-think, I'm really just more hopeless about the situation.
As empirical truths are my only goal in this quest, I also need to ensure that I'm not doing the same thing by seeking out justifications for my own beliefs.
This effectively puts me into the political category of "Anarchist" by the current right vs. left struggle, because I choose to think for myself.
"A strange game, the only winning move is not to play"
Dave, I personally prefer to stay out of politics a far as I can as this is obviously the dirtiest thing humanity created but all theories aside (for they are just attempts to give some shape and structure to what's already there) peoples tendency to follow might be humanities only salvation by a long shot. Don't know if I can explain myself correctly on such difficult topic in a foreign language but I'll try.
One of the first things they've been teaching me and other young psychologists is that whenever personality is involved there is no such thing as empirical truth. For each of us exist in a realty determined by many factors of it's own physiology and psyche and blah blah blah. As specialists we were supposed to know all the crowd control mechanisms used in our society and to be resistant, to think independently and out of the box.
Seemed like a good thing... But not until at the third year of study I was charged to lead the group of nearly 15 such "independents"... You can't imagine what a pain it was to make this lot do ANYTHING together... They just can't submit, can't be ordered, don't believe in any truth beyond their own... Especially women...
I leave it to you to imagine what our world would be if most of people where like that...
PS I absolutely love the boat! Any plans for a name?
I can see your point Storag, and I respect it, but the issues I am talking about can and do have empirical facts behind them, they aren't philosophical differences as much as provable facts, they are often assumed to be true or false based on one's group associations. Assuming people do not have the time and/or inclination to endlessly research and cross-reference these facts, they tend to ask "What does my group believe?" and then just endlessly regurgitate rhetoric. When you try to correct a mis-stated fact (already researched and cross-referenced), instead of enlightening or educating them like you would think, it just invokes a defense mechanism of backlash and anger because they feel you are attacking their belief system rather than trying to help them understand. It's motivated reasoning that to me, looks exactly like the motivated reasoning that took hold in Bavaria (my ancestral home-most people that settled the midwest part of the US were immigrants from Bavaria mid 1800s) in the 1920s. Considering the average education level of people of the time, I can certainly see why they would look to their leaders with trust in an uncertain time, but this is the 21st Century, the information age, It's not as if the truth is hidden deep in a Government underground bunker filing cabinet somewhere nowadays, facts can be instantly verified or denied by anyone from multiple sources at the speed of light. However, my "people" can't seem to break free from their ancestral tendencies to mob-up into the safety of groups and accept indoctrination openly.
Automatically Appended Next Post: ..And thanks, the Boat is The SeaView from the 1961 film Voyage to the bottom of the sea"
Automatically Appended Next Post: LOL..Apparently, 50 years ago, a privately-owned Nuclear-powered/Nuclear-armed submarine was a good idea LOL
There's an easy way to identify people who have accepted incorrect facts and incorporated them into their belief system.
Ask them "Why do you believe that?"
If they can give an explanation other than "Just because, so and so told me or I just do" then they've probably at least actually though about the issue. Even if I don't agree with their opinion, at least they've thought about it and aren't just regurgitating crap they heard from someone else.
the mere fact that you are tagged with an a starsprangled banner is for me a sign of hope...not everything is set for destruction then...as long as people like you... even if they are few still live in that country of yours hope is not for naught...
and... some people have the greatest fear to be responsible for themselves... thus they talk and act like strong and loud people that seem to be...in a certain light... to be able to be in charge...
humans are a sorry species... really... so we have to take pitty in ourselves... but it is like that fictional character baron münchhausen.... in one of his stories...he fell into a swamp... long story short... he pulled himself out of this sucking hole and his horse too by pulling on his own ponytail...yeah... right so if we take pitty in humanity we also need to commit a certain münchausen deed....because atm there is no one else here beside humanity that could help us out of that misery we build up on a daily basis...
(i hope this was fitting for the current discussion... the small paragraph was rather hard to follow )
Thanks Vik, I was rambling a bit there in that paragraph, I know. LL, you are right, but it goes beyond that in my conversations lately. I ask "Why do you believe that", and they already have 2 or 3 reasons prepared for the answer, but all 3 reasons are based off of some other untruth or rhetoric. For instance, the Constitution of the United States spells out clearly what the requirements are to be a US Citizen. not considering naturalization (where you study, take a test, and become a US Citizen legally). I won't copy and paste the whole thing here, but basically if you are Born in the US, you are a citizen. If you are born abroad to US Citizen Parents, you are a US Citizen. Plain and simple right?
The Authoritarians among us have been making what we call the "Birther" argument against President Obama, claiming that he is not a US Citizen, in a pathetic attempt to De-legitimize his presidency. The Empirical facts are: 1. The Constitution clearly explains both the requirements for Citizenship and Presidency. 2. Hawaii became a State in 1959 3. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.
This argument is so intellectually lazy, most educated people will just flat-out refuse to engage in conversation with people about it. But it's amazing how many people keep regurgitating it.
I think those are sides of one coin... Our better say prism? We are talking about very complex matter here, involving many aspects of group and individual psychology. And I think no single theory can hope to describe our explain it to it's fullest. One thing we should consider is internalization of information. When we are faced by some info, no matter how true it is, our brain need time to, as somesay "sleep" with it - time to process and find a place for that fact in the hierarchy and structure of personality. After that, if the fact is somewhat accepted, it becomes a part of ourselves much as parts of our body do. And the longer it's been there and the more important place it occupies - the bigger is the problem. So from the psychological perspective when you approach someone and say; "hey bro, what you knew is false, go read this and that and figure out how things really are" is like saying "your ass is too fat, go to the gym and lose some weight" and no matter how justified your comment is you'll face the reaction varying from suppressed uncomfort (if the person is intelligent and with stable self-concept) to fear, hatred and rage (if the person is ignorant or somehow unstable). Here we encounter the concept of the zone of comfort and it is a well known fact that to comprehend something new the person should be out of that personal zone. Sadly few can do it by choice :( what I'm trying to say that we can accuse people of being ignorant no more that staying out of physical shape.
hawaii joined in on the fun not before 1959? i never knew...wow... and well i don´t know if it is really that important who is leading a country... obama is not alone... but i guess that is me speaking as a german... here you don´t vote for candidate but for the party... and the party chooses the candidate... not that this is any way more fair than the other way round...
i think trying to get rid of obama this way is really a testemony of the oposing forces is a lack of almost everything.... if they need to rely on such tactics there are no clever people in with these "gangs"...
You are right again Storag, I see that too, no one wants to be wrong. At one time, I fell for the GOP Party line as well, too ignorant to see past my own nose, I truly believed I was justified in those beliefs simply because everyone around me agreed with it. What changed me was education, and you are right, I had to be ready to make that change myself. Is there any point in even having the discussion with those friends and family if anything I say is met with hostility?
Vik, do you think the irrational backlash and petty attempts at discrediting Obama is a sign that those opponents are desperate and have nothing left but propaganda to spew?
Vik, do you think the irrational backlash and petty attempts at discrediting Obama is a sign that those opponents are desperate and have nothing left but propaganda to spew?
that was the point i was trying to make... here we get a lot of news from your side of the ocean... there are fresher peeps waiting to have the old farts die out of action...(could go faster for my own opinion ) and this fact is making the old grunts desperate and afraid... thus they resort to cheating, lying and downright being embarrising donkey... maybe mitten is just the proverbial icing of a really smelly and brownish cake that has been baking in the sun the last two decades (just an estimated amount of time on my part...) as i remember the US to be a not so short sighted and ruled by old men country like it is today... so we have to hope for the ruling class of today to die out of old age... stands to reason... these old farts have to cease some day...
Yeah well, we call them the "Baby Boomers" here. The Generation that was born after WW2 when all the guys came back home, my parents generation, the same ones who were sent to Vietnam against their will, made the social changes of the 60s , and fought for the Civil Rights movement. I am proud of what those people did before I was born. The old farts in power, who want to stay in power also belong to that generation, Millionaire Spin Doctors like Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh (and new, incoherent ones like Donald Trump and now apparently Chuck Norris), are spewing hate like diarrhea.
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it´s actually rather sad that the promising peeps of the children of the revolution come from the same generation as the senile idiots of the puppet on a string regiment...
Honestly, I have a friend, back in Ohio, where I grew up. I think he honestly believes wholeheartedly that his right-wing-ness is going to get us back to some good-old-days not too different than this:
He is very intelligent, and capable of reasoning, but I'm not kidding you, he really believes in some mythical past that never really existed.
He believes Women should be at home, in the kitchen, he makes the money, and all the decisions, that is how God intended it to be in his mind.
Intellect is actually a set of very different brain + psyche functions and the most important of them are hardest to evaluate. The ability for critical or/and inductive thinking, for example, might lead to low scores at school. Happened to me actually, I barely made it out of school The amount of implicit knowledge one possess is also a bad criteria.
Facts tend to outdate faster than people can study and the only solution IMO is to learn to how to tie things up yourself which can never be done if you only study the linear version of deductive logic based on school math =/
Now we're getting into my field of expertise.
You're right, intelligence is a terribly wide term and it's not without reason that it's nowadays usually split into several more specific categories. My social intelligence for example is quite low, but I'm not exactly a dunce. While explicit knowledge is the average Joe's often deceptive indicator for intelligence, I wouldn't say that implicit knowledge is an indicator for intelligence at all.
Oh and IQ tests are a great tool...to waste your time.
Being a teacher of languages and martial arts and studying applied linguistics, the effects of inductive/deductive learning (in English the more descriptive casual terms bottom-up and top-down are more common afaik) and their transformation into implicit/explicit knowledge is what I concern myself with on a daily basis.
You're right, to predispose to the inductive learning approach is not a valued talent in modern day's schoolsystems. Babies and small children are the only ones who rely on the inductive approach... oh well and scientists of course. While it slightly depends on the type of information you're trying to learn, in the end a combination of both approaches will yield the best results, as it satisfies the average adult's mind's need for structure, rules and "fast" progress, with the deep understanding and quickly accessible knowledge, that takes time and lots of effort to obtain.
I could write books about the specific impact this has on learning martial arts, especially nowadays.
Most decisions in my work consist of simple logic strings like: it was working on monday, on tuesday it stopped working, so my course of action is to look at what happened between monday and tuesday that broke it, then go fix it. 20% technical, but 80% communication and documentation with other teams all around the world. Sometimes fixes that take ten minutes to execute can waste hours and days being implemented if things aren't clear and concise for people who do not speak English as their primary language. I'm a humble guy and all, but I'm really damn good at my job ... yet I cannot get a simple IF NOT THEN logical statement through to some of my family and friends. It is quite frustrating to me.
Automatically Appended Next Post: p.s. Baiyuan, what do you think of this "literature" for sale tonight at the Mitt Romney campaign/book burning rally in my dear hometown of Defiance, Ohio?
blatantly racist enough?
Or can they go farther?
@ Baiyuan
That's what I was basically trying to say while being sleepy the combination of thinking is of course best I do believe that those approaches have a significant impact on shaping of personality, for deductive thinking pattern sometimes leads to an outer-determined or narrow minded personality, while inductive is not simply sensitive but teaches to make choices in situation with lack of information and deal with probabilities placing responsibility on your own shoulders rather than on some prerequisites that determine the outcome. That imo might be one of the reasons behind the issue that we are discussing here
And pal, you're a martial arts teacher? Now that's cool!
PS On the right of joke - I find the Intellect scale of New Vegas character creator most entertaining and depictive I tend to see hundreds of "vegetables" at work every day.
@Dave: That's at least a mighty good attempt, but I think they can do even better/worse...
Your hometown's name really is Defiance? Now that explains a lot...
Also being smart is worth nothing in so many situations. I'm good with words and dedicate my life to making people understand things, but a couple of weeks ago I had a 45min arguement with my fiánce about whether her boiled egg was "hard" or not.
@Storag: Currently it's just a few hours a week, the rest of the time I teach German or Chinese, or attend the duties of the oldest guy at university (not really but my graduation overdue). Teaching martial arts is what I intend to make a living of, once my studies are finished. (in 2099 or something)
Fort Defiance, a fontier fort on 3 rivers, designed and founded for the purpose of defending the river traffic and famous for killing or removing all the native inhabitants that lived here back in the day.
I hope this is okay to ask here, but I have been following your thread for a while here and have started working on my own stuff. I'm about to try rivet making and was wondering if anyone has tried the method described in this blog post: http://privateerpress.com/hobby/hobby-blog/cryxian-bile-reservoir ? Seems simple and straight forward and maybe easier than cutting rod, but i'd like to know if anyone has experience with it. Thanks.
Yeah! The rotary tool thing! I've seen it, it looks great, but I've never found one of those tools. You are more than welcome to ask anything you'd like. The banter is free with every visit
Krangke wrote: I hope this is okay to ask here, but I have been following your thread for a while here and have started working on my own stuff. I'm about to try rivet making and was wondering if anyone has tried the method described in this blog post: http://privateerpress.com/hobby/hobby-blog/cryxian-bile-reservoir ? Seems simple and straight forward and maybe easier than cutting rod, but i'd like to know if anyone has experience with it. Thanks.
A question about rivets? I don't think there is a more okay place to ask I like that your first post on Dakka is one about rivets, though. You will go far, young Krangke
I haven't tried that method of rivetting, (and I can't say I fully understand what's going on there) but you can't argue with the results
Krangke wrote: I hope this is okay to ask here, but I have been following your thread for a while here and have started working on my own stuff. I'm about to try rivet making and was wondering if anyone has tried the method described in this blog post: http://privateerpress.com/hobby/hobby-blog/cryxian-bile-reservoir ? Seems simple and straight forward and maybe easier than cutting rod, but i'd like to know if anyone has experience with it. Thanks.
its a fine balancing act between making the divot and punching out a lump.
so you have to control how far you push down the divot? Still sounds so much easier to me than cutting hundreds of tiny pieces of Rod and gluing them all over the place. I just picture myself with little rivets super glued to all my fingers.
I have a feeling that there is a lot more going on than we think. This election feels like it is the most pivotal moment in my adult life. We either go forward or backwards from here. Desperate men will stop at nothing to be in power.
THe UK papers are usually more balanced than any of our media. Take it for what it's worth, but http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/26/democrats-gop-plot-obstruct-obama
was that sarcastic? I dunno what papers are what over there. It's all based on a book written by an eyewitness, but I suppose because of the nature of the event, we'll never have a corroborating eyewitness.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I guess ask yourself if men desperate for power would stoop so low to purposely damage an economy to return to power?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Perhaps it is a conspiracy theory, I dunno.
If it were true, it would have to be considered High Treason to gain personally a the expense of the American Public.
You Europeans may accept that some people are second-class citizens, but Americans should not, because doing so invalidates our Constitution.
Automatically Appended Next Post: ok, seriously, we need to get back to hobby stuff. TS is right, my apologies, I've hada lot on my mind.
Automatically Appended Next Post: LOOK!
A preshaded Big Boat!
Automatically Appended Next Post: I sketched rough lines in black ink where I pictured faint panel line suggestions at this scale
And then it's just a matter of going back and forth lightly with the lighter grey color on top, leaving elements of the lines
I just masked and did the same with the keel of the boat, but made it a lighter grey. I am debating whether to glaze the lighter grey with a bit of green.
Baiyuan wrote: a couple of weeks ago I had a 45min arguement with my fiánce about whether her boiled egg was "hard" or not.
Loriot moment?
You could say that, but as far as I remember there wasn't any torn out hair and bashed in heads in Loriot's version... just kidding. But it got intense and we even picked it up again when we went to the restaurant for her birthday, when she tried to make my sister take her side (which she did ). That time we were just doing it for the laughs though.
Memo to me: Got to stab sister anyway, zero tolerance for disloyalty
Verry nice looking sub there dave. If you wanted to take any "under sea" pics I believe the way they do that in Hollywierd is with a combination of fog effects and blue(ish) lighting.
Baiyuan wrote: a couple of weeks ago I had a 45min arguement with my fiánce about whether her boiled egg was "hard" or not.
Loriot moment?
You could say that, but as far as I remember there wasn't any torn out hair and bashed in heads in Loriot's version... just kidding. But it got intense and we even picked it up again when we went to the restaurant for her birthday, when she tried to make my sister take her side (which she did ). That time we were just doing it for the laughs though.
Memo to me: Got to stab sister anyway, zero tolerance for disloyalty
oh... and i always thought that mother in laws would be difficult to handle... is it too much to ask for some pepper spray for your dish?
When you break it down to the brass tacks, I think this is basically true:
I mean look, we change terms, use double-speak, and as Vik mentioned earlier, we call it being "politically correct"
Automatically Appended Next Post: Although, technically, in 2004 we were closer to this than we are today.
Automatically Appended Next Post: This new "catch up with Blog" button is messing with me.
If you eat, you are involved in agriculture, if you buy miniatures, you are involved with economics, and if you are involved in economics, politics is kind of important methinks.
If you press filter thread it just shows the threads owners posts
While we are talking about these updates the last one before this has caused no end of problems, for some reason every now and then when I click on the "skip to unread" it jumps to a white screen with some advert in the top left corner
The Seaview is all kinds of win.
Good paint job on the main body.
Lighting looks great.
Really love the rocket, very cool.
Good things come to those who...persevere.
The swirly random effect looks jus like the game, well done!
Skalk...... have MY BABIES....... NOW! 
Ing amazing! Might be my favorite you've done
(and for your record...its plain delicious art we craft then 
