Apologies, if this has been posted before. But the section in bold made me chuckle...

Assistant Games Developer

Are you an enthusiastic, passionate and knowledgeable hobbyist? Do you have an encyclopaedic knowledge of our background, games systems and rules?

Can you write exciting, evocative background that adds depth and breadth to the worlds of Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000? Can you translate your passion and enthusiasm into clear, consistent rules that encourage people to have fun with their Citadel miniatures? Games Workshop is looking for a hard-working, writer who can work within our established style and wants to learn the art of being a great Games Workshop Games Developer.

The successful candidate will have a high standard of written English ('A' level standard or equivalent) and ideally be educated to degree level. Excellent communication and team working skills are essential. Fully conversant with Microsoft office.

Closing Date: Friday 12th February 2010

If you would like more information then call Catherine Hamilton, HR Advisor, on 0115 900 4060.

Should you wish to apply for this role please email your C.V. and covering letter explaining why you would like to be considered for this role to: hr.recruitment@games-workshop.co.uk quoting ref number 54

So come on then all you would be games developers, who's going to man up and introduce clear and consistent rules into GW's games? I would, but kind of settled in my transport planning career at the moment...

Surely that is some kind of heresy.

I like the way it infers that the assistants are the ones who are responsible for clarity and consistency. Explains a lot...

Either that or they've just realised they are in urgent need of somebody who can write properly.

Sounds like a ponced up Play Tester position?

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Sounds like a ponced up Play Tester position?

I take it you're not applying then

Not qualified. Got my clutch of GCSE's, got bored, left school!

Otherwise I'd give it a crack.

H.B.M.C. should apply. I'm sure he'd just love to meet Jervis in person.

Can you translate your passion and enthusiasm into clear, consistent rules that encourage people to have fun with their Citadel miniatures?

Why is that a requirement? Half the designers now how problems translating their enthusiasm into clear consistent rules judging by YMTC forum questions.

Flashman wrote:I like the way it infers that the assistants are the ones who are responsible for clarity and consistency. Explains a lot...

Either that or they've just realised they are in urgent need of somebody who can write properly.

They should recruit a trained sub-editor or technical writer.

So how much does an "assistant" games developer make anyway? For that matter how much do "lead" developers make?

If I had to guess I would guess the assistant makes between $30 and $40K a year. The lead makes $60K? Then throw in extra for for fiction novel writing.

Am I close?

GG

40K a year would be funny!

Wow if I did not Work for the Navy I would Apply this very instant!

I wish they could afford me. I think I'd enjoy a job like this.

H.B.M.C. wrote:40K a year would be funny!

Why?

GG

generalgrog wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:40K a year would be funny!

Why?

GG

Oh, I don't know... Warhammer 40,000?

Dexy wrote:

generalgrog wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:40K a year would be funny!

Why?

GG

Oh, I don't know... Warhammer 40,000?

A HA!!

GG

So I take it they fired jervis then?

generalgrog wrote:So how much does an "assistant" games developer make anyway? For that matter how much do "lead" developers make?

If I had to guess I would guess the assistant makes between $30 and $40K a year. The lead makes $60K? Then throw in extra for for fiction novel writing.

Am I close?

GG

I'd take a guess at around £25-27k for senior games devs, JJ on about £40k, RP and JG on about £50k. Juniors on about £20k.

I would so apply if i didn't have 1 more semester of school to complete. Besides they would surely neglect my 3 years of Volunteer and Event Coordination experience.

Well, I am a technical writer. But I'm pretty sure that GW wouldn't enjoy my particular style of writing (i.e., referring to their core market as basement-dwelling fatty hamfarts, etc.)

But...I AM a basement-dwelling fatty hamfart!

er...wait....

Kind of tragic that they need English to at least advanced. I got double A at gcse and hence can string a sentence or two together, wouldn't have ever dreamed of becoming further qualified in this area though.

Think of all the talent that could be overlooked because they don't have written proof that they can distinguish a clause from a conjugate. I'd bet my smaller testicle that Graham McNiel can't (or maybe he can - i doubt he got the job based on writing talent).

Maybe this is the beginning of a new age of clearly written codices...

Maybe this mean 6th edition 40k will be out in a year or two w/ consistent and concise rules!

Rymafyr wrote:Maybe this mean 6th edition 40k will be out in a year or two w/ consistent and concise rules!

Seriously. Stop! I almost died from the fits of laughter. Are you trying to kill me?



I am going to be chuckling about this for days.

Triggerbaby wrote:Well, I am a technical writer. But I'm pretty sure that GW wouldn't enjoy my particular style of writing (i.e., referring to their core market as basement-dwelling fatty hamfarts, etc.)

So why exactly are you here again? Oh yea, because you're one of the mongrel trolls that's friends with the Mods. My bad.

Cue the roar of a thousand cheese stained keyboards as nerds desperately try to make their employment at the local retail store seem like pertinent job experience.

What does it pay? If I wouldn't suffer a pay cut, I'd give it some consideration.

generalgrog wrote:Why?

GG

I really do hope you were being facetious there, for your own sake.

Damn! I'm in the market for a creative writing job at any level anywhere in the U.K. right now. I've got a 1st class degree in English Literature and I've got previously published material on my CV. I'd love to apply for this but I'm due to leave my present job at the end of June and if I break contract and quit before that I won't get my plane ticket out of the country.

I can only hope the position isn't filled or that they try hiring again closer to June.

I'd apply. But I'm notoriously stupid.

It could be worth applying. I know I have had worse jobs before.

They only put this out for legal reasons - the vacancy will already be filled internally or through someone who knows someone, but they have to advertise.

Games Developers don't really write rules. They write background and story.

Howlingmoon wrote:

Triggerbaby wrote:Well, I am a technical writer. But I'm pretty sure that GW wouldn't enjoy my particular style of writing (i.e., referring to their core market as basement-dwelling fatty hamfarts, etc.)

So why exactly are you here again? Oh yea, because you're one of the mongrel trolls that's friends with the Mods. My bad.

Show me on this doll where the bad man touched you.

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:Damn! I'm in the market for a creative writing job at any level anywhere in the U.K. right now. I've got a 1st class degree in English Literature and I've got previously published material on my CV. I'd love to apply for this but I'm due to leave my present job at the end of June and if I break contract and quit before that I won't get my plane ticket out of the country.

I can only hope the position isn't filled or that they try hiring again closer to June.

Apply now anyway.

Just don't tell them you have four months to go on your contract. Once they have decided they really want you and make you an offer, they can either buy out your contract or wait until you are free.

Most big companies take a few months to recruit a new person.

Janthkin wrote:I wish they could afford me. I think I'd enjoy a job like this.

I think alot of us are on that boat.

Triggerbaby wrote:Well, I am a technical writer. But I'm pretty sure that GW wouldn't enjoy my particular style of writing (i.e., referring to their core market as basement-dwelling fatty hamfarts, etc.)

What do you write? Maybe someone else can hire you, or we can band together and technically write our own game!

Howlingmoon wrote:

Triggerbaby wrote:Well, I am a technical writer. But I'm pretty sure that GW wouldn't enjoy my particular style of writing (i.e., referring to their core market as basement-dwelling fatty hamfarts, etc.)

So why exactly are you here again? Oh yea, because you're one of the mongrel trolls that's friends with the Mods. My bad.

Uhm...why are you here then?

Jazz is for Losers wrote:

Howlingmoon wrote:

Triggerbaby wrote:Well, I am a technical writer. But I'm pretty sure that GW wouldn't enjoy my particular style of writing (i.e., referring to their core market as basement-dwelling fatty hamfarts, etc.)

So why exactly are you here again? Oh yea, because you're one of the mongrel trolls that's friends with the Mods. My bad.

Show me on this doll where the bad man touched you.

Modquisition on.
Enough of that. His post is being dealt with. Move on.

@ torgorch why do you have to advertise a job thats already filled.. seems redundant even for bureaucracy..

There's no law that requires companies to advertise externally.

Many companies try to fill vacancies by internal promotion. Naturally, if successful it leads to a vacancy lower down the ladder, which needs to be advertised.

Once upon a time I would have loved a GW studio job.

But I'm not sure I could work with the people who sculpt the razorgor, or write rules like those for Dark Angels or WHFB daemons because this button-down, Oxford-cloth psycho might just snap, and then stalk from office to office with an Armalite AR-10 carbine gas-powered semi-automatic weapon, pumping round after round into colleagues and co-workers.

Also looks like you no longer have to be best friends with a head designer to get a job in the studio.

Shaman wrote:@ torgorch why do you have to advertise a job thats already filled.. seems redundant even for bureaucracy..

Beats me, although GW aren't the only place that does it. As I have no understanding of the whys or wherefores, I'll blame the lawyers.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:... because this button-down, Oxford-cloth psycho might just snap, and then stalk from office to office with an Armalite AR-10 carbine gas-powered semi-automatic weapon, pumping round after round into colleagues and co-workers.

Excellent.

They should harvest Phil Kelly's geneseed and clone him. An entire chapter of creative game designers....

On a serious note, someone guesstimated it at 30k/year? I thought the living costs there were rather prohibitive, 30k/year doesn't seem like much.

30K a year there is just enough to be able to live in a van down by the river.

torgoch wrote:They only put this out for legal reasons - the vacancy will already be filled internally or through someone who knows someone, but they have to advertise.

Maybe for government jobs, yeah. But as a company they can do what they like.

30k a year is higher then the average working class wage I belive, even more so since it's not London and living costs are much cheaper for the rest of the country.
I get about 22 a year and am maintaing a two bed flat to myself just outside london so 30k would get significantly more then a van down by the river.

Of course that depends on whether you meant it as dollars or pounds, I'm thinking in the latter of course.

Sounds cool, but I wouldn't want to move to the U.K.

I was meaning USD. 30K in USD is 19,252.32 GBP. After taxes all I think I could afford then is a van down by the river.

In dollars, yeah a lot less but still enough money to live on as long as you don't have extravagant tastes.

Gargskull wrote:In dollars, yeah a lot less but still enough money to live on as long as you don't have extravagant tastes.

Like...playing 40k?

This 30k pounds, right?

Edited for stupid

He's saying government vacancies may have to be publicly advertised, whereas private jobs don't.

Janthkin wrote:

Gargskull wrote:In dollars, yeah a lot less but still enough money to live on as long as you don't have extravagant tastes.

Like...playing 40k?

Hah, nicely played. That is one aspect we haven't figured in; Benefits. I'm sure 45% off GW products could equate into an additional 5k a year for some .

AgeOfEgos wrote:

Janthkin wrote:

Gargskull wrote:In dollars, yeah a lot less but still enough money to live on as long as you don't have extravagant tastes.

Like...playing 40k?

Hah, nicely played. That is one aspect we haven't figured in; Benefits. I'm sure 45% off GW products could equate into an additional 5k a year for some .

I'm not so sure - if I had access to that sort of discount, I would probably end up spending even more, rather perversely.

Games Workshop is looking for a hard-working, writer who can work within our established style...

Well, they certainly need someone with a high standard of written English. They can't even get a job description gramatically correct.

ArbitorIan:

You are aware of the difference between grammar and style, right?

Nurglitch wrote:ArbitorIan:

You are aware of the difference between grammar and style, right?

GWAdvert wrote:Games Workshop is looking for a hard-working, writer who can work within our established style and wants to learn the art of being a great Games Workshop Games Developer.

I'd say that was gramatically incorrect right there. The poor, abused common or garden comma.

Would this require that I move to the UK? If so I can't really apply.

filbert wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:

Janthkin wrote:

Gargskull wrote:In dollars, yeah a lot less but still enough money to live on as long as you don't have extravagant tastes.

Like...playing 40k?

Hah, nicely played. That is one aspect we haven't figured in; Benefits. I'm sure 45% off GW products could equate into an additional 5k a year for some .

I'm not so sure - if I had access to that sort of discount, I would probably end up spending even more, rather perversely.

I would buy more too, then sell it for 25% off retail, thus making profit from my job.

Probably get fired for the very same reason.

filbert wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:ArbitorIan:

You are aware of the difference between grammar and style, right?

GWAdvert wrote:Games Workshop is looking for a hard-working, writer who can work within our established style and wants to learn the art of being a great Games Workshop Games Developer.

I'd say that was gramatically incorrect right there. The poor, abused common or garden comma.

I find this, ironic.

Nurglitch wrote:

filbert wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:ArbitorIan:

You are aware of the difference between grammar and style, right?

GWAdvert wrote:Games Workshop is looking for a hard-working, writer who can work within our established style and wants to learn the art of being a great Games Workshop Games Developer.

I'd say that was gramatically incorrect right there. The poor, abused common or garden comma.

I find this, ironic.

A wise man once said, "Do as I say, not as I do."

Wait... I think I'm doing it wrong.

malfred wrote:

torgoch wrote:They only put this out for legal reasons - the vacancy will already be filled internally or through someone who knows someone, but they have to advertise.

Maybe for government jobs, yeah. But as a company they can do what they like.

Not even for government jobs really. In our department (I work for a Local Authority btw) a couple of years ago, there were about 5 vacancies which were all filled by internal staff members. The resulting gaps were filled by people already working as temps in the department who applied and got those jobs. I confess I did quite well out of this "reshuffle" and am currently earning 5K more than I was.

I vote Gwar should do this job, you'd be damn sure there would be no chance for rules debate.

Flashman wrote:

malfred wrote:

torgoch wrote:They only put this out for legal reasons - the vacancy will already be filled internally or through someone who knows someone, but they have to advertise.

Maybe for government jobs, yeah. But as a company they can do what they like.

Not even for government jobs really. In our department (I work for a Local Authority btw) a couple of years ago, there were about 5 vacancies which were all filled by internal staff members. The resulting gaps were filled by people already working as temps in the department who applied and got those jobs. I confess I did quite well out of this "reshuffle" and am currently earning 5K more than I was.

The hospital I worked at always advertised internally before going into the community. Usually the position was essentially filled before it ever hit the paper.

I think it is more of an expected formality rather than a legal requirement. My agency does the same thing, though they are 99% sure who they want to fill that position before they even advertise the opening.

Sirius42 wrote:I vote Gwar should do this job, you'd be damn sure there would be no chance for rules debate.

+1

Yes, come on Gwar. We'll write your reference for you

AgeOfEgos wrote:

Janthkin wrote:

Gargskull wrote:In dollars, yeah a lot less but still enough money to live on as long as you don't have extravagant tastes.

Like...playing 40k?

Hah, nicely played. That is one aspect we haven't figured in; Benefits. I'm sure 45% off GW products could equate into an additional 5k a year for some .

all GW staff get at least 50% staff discount even the redshirts.

Howlingmoon wrote:

Triggerbaby wrote:Well, I am a technical writer. But I'm pretty sure that GW wouldn't enjoy my particular style of writing (i.e., referring to their core market as basement-dwelling fatty hamfarts, etc.)

So why exactly are you here again? Oh yea, because you're one of the mongrel trolls that's friends with the Mods. My bad.

Well, Mr. SmartyPants, I'm actually here because I'm one of the mongrel trolls who's friends... oh.

Nurglitch wrote:

filbert wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:ArbitorIan:

You are aware of the difference between grammar and style, right?

GWAdvert wrote:Games Workshop is looking for a hard-working, writer who can work within our established style and wants to learn the art of being a great Games Workshop Games Developer.

I'd say that was gramatically incorrect right there. The poor, abused common or garden comma.

I find this, ironic.

how? that comma was correctly used. "the poor,abused..." is a list (which calls for a comma)

I am currently a jobless bum... However I don't want to move, so I think that leaves me out.

twistinthunder wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:

filbert wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:ArbitorIan:

You are aware of the difference between grammar and style, right?

GWAdvert wrote:Games Workshop is looking for a hard-working, writer who can work within our established style and wants to learn the art of being a great Games Workshop Games Developer.

I'd say that was gramatically incorrect right there. The poor, abused common or garden comma.

I find this, ironic.

how? that comma was correctly used. "the poor,abused..." is a list (which calls for a comma)

Indeed. And, not meaning to derail the thread, this is what I was getting at.

"hard-working, writer..." does not need the comma, but "poor, abused..." does.

And excuse my dodgy forum grammar...

Average salary in the UK is something around £26K per year, which is about $39,000.

However, taxes are higher here so you could expect to lose 20-25% giving you a take-home pay of about £20,000. (On the plus side, you get free health, etc.)

The big problem in the UK, especially the south-east, is housing costs.

Huh. I qualify and I live close enough to Nottingham that I could do it. I might as well take a shot. If nothing else, the staff discount will help when my wife sees the card statements for the month and chooses to beat me for it...

How difficult is it to get hired for a UK job if you are not an EU citizen? All EU applicants have to be refused first (or the job qualifications only suit you), correct?

Savnock wrote:How difficult is it to get hired for a UK job if you are not an EU citizen? All EU applicants have to be refused first (or the job qualifications only suit you), correct?

You're American - they aren't looking for ESL I am afraid.

It has been about 7 hours since Triggerbaby made my life worth living.

Kilkrazy wrote:The big problem in the UK, especially the south-east, is housing costs.

Fortunately the job's in Nottingham, gun crime capital of the north.

Sweet. You mean I'd have targets for my own collection?

Err wait....I'd have to go through lots of red tape and paperwork to prove I needed more than a single gun. Feth that.

While it'd be a fun job I'm not willing to relocate to a country I can be shot at and not do anything about. That and it'd take money to relocate 1/2 way across the globe.

Were I older I would jump at this like a starving jackal at meat.

50% discount? Bleeding Nora, whan I worked in Dixons we got 10%, misers.

I'd buy shed loads of stuff with that kind of discount, what's that you say, new deff dred is £30, not for me bitches!

No wonder store staff are always so blase about the high prices...

fullheadofhair wrote:

Savnock wrote:How difficult is it to get hired for a UK job if you are not an EU citizen? All EU applicants have to be refused first (or the job qualifications only suit you), correct?

You're American - they aren't looking for ESL I am afraid.

Ha!

Good one!

Though really, at this point, how well has having a command of "England's English" really worked out for the rest of us?

George Spiggott wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:The big problem in the UK, especially the south-east, is housing costs.

Fortunately the job's in Nottingham, gun crime capital of the north.

And also burglary capital of the UK too. Your house might be cheaper, but don't buy any expensive plasma screens.

Robin hood running amok again?

George Spiggott wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:The big problem in the UK, especially the south-east, is housing costs.

Fortunately the job's in Nottingham, gun crime capital of the north.

East Midlands, I would have said, if we ignore the Watford Gap rule.

Hellfury wrote:Robin hood running amok again?

He he, yes the place has been synonymous with crime for almost a thousand years.

@ Kilkrazy: You do so at your own peril. Although I could never accept the notion of Birmingham being 'the north'.

Flashman wrote:Apologies, if this has been posted before. But the section in bold made me chuckle...

Assistant Games Developer

Are you an enthusiastic, passionate and knowledgeable hobbyist? Do you have an encyclopaedic knowledge of our background, games systems and rules?

Can you write exciting, evocative background that adds depth and breadth to the worlds of Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000? Can you translate your passion and enthusiasm into clear, consistent rules that encourage people to have fun with their Citadel miniatures? Games Workshop is looking for a hard-working, writer who can work within our established style and wants to learn the art of being a great Games Workshop Games Developer.

The successful candidate will have a high standard of written English ('A' level standard or equivalent) and ideally be educated to degree level. Excellent communication and team working skills are essential. Fully conversant with Microsoft office.

Closing Date: Friday 12th February 2010

If you would like more information then call Catherine Hamilton, HR Advisor, on 0115 900 4060.

Should you wish to apply for this role please email your C.V. and covering letter explaining why you would like to be considered for this role to: hr.recruitment@games-workshop.co.uk quoting ref number 54

So come on then all you would be games developers, who's going to man up and introduce clear and consistent rules into GW's games? I would, but kind of settled in my transport planning career at the moment...

I don't think you could pay me for the amount of grief that this company puts it's employees through. Especially writers.

They treat thier writers like outright dog crap.

Ask some of the countless ex "Employees" of this company that they basicly get on board with a powderpuff, and then commence to treat like garbage while they dictate the party line.

Seriously, they need to just Put the book through a technical company that has nothing to do with the company at all. This company has too many issues with its so called "Writers" falling in love with the army and pulling crap out of thier fourth point of contact and shoving us all the preverbial "Be All End All" armies of Codex Creep fame.

Like CSM 3.5 codex.

I would weep had I been forced to print that load of gak.

I really didn't want to go there, but Chaos is only just the tip of the iceburg.

In my opinions, they just need to outsource the rulebooks and codexs to a company that specializes in this type of writing, and reference types of books. They have shown outright favoritism in the codex's, the background material, and lack of respect for the product in general.

I mean honestly, they know well and good that people in the company are too wrapped up in the armies to write an effective, balenced product that works for the whole game and doesn't leave loopholes, bodging, and stupid courtroom antics to play a 30 minute game of a miniatures game.


Seriously? They just need to pass the writing over to FF, like we've been saying since they started working together.

Either that or give Black Library an enima and get some specificly differet types of writers.

Get a team together to continue keeping the specialist games relevent, a couple of writers that write for the white dawrf, a couple for the novels. Heck, you could even give the writing to FF and outsource fluff books, or Get a technical writing section together for specific projects such as the model directions, codex's, rules, updates to rules, etc.etc.

...just heard today that I'm past thefirst selection stage and now must deal with stage two. Fun.

Jon Garrett wrote:...just heard today that I'm past thefirst selection stage and now must deal with stage two. Fun.

grats hope it works out for you.

Jon Garrett:

Congratulations! My application was rejected a week ago: apparently there's so many UK and European applicants that they're not taking any from North America! So kudos for breaking away from the pack.

The only question in this matter that seems relevant is whether we can persuade the person who gets this job to be willing to share inside information and rumours...

If it's a Dakka-poster Im sure he/she is aware of the moral obligation to share with the community ;-)

Cilithan

if I get the job I'll gladly accept donations of $100 or more to make your favorite house rules get added to the next codex or army book!

And promptly be fired your first week of work.

Triggerbaby wrote:Well, I am a technical writer. But I'm pretty sure that GW wouldn't enjoy my particular style of writing (i.e., referring to their core market as basement-dwelling fatty hamfarts, etc.)

The door, dear fellow is over there. Please ensure it hits your arse on the way out.

I vote for gwar!

George Spiggott wrote:Maybe this is the beginning of a new age of clearly written codices...

Haha, I just snorted coffee out of my nose when I read that.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

generalgrog wrote:So how much does an "assistant" games developer make anyway? For that matter how much do "lead" developers make?

If I had to guess I would guess the assistant makes between $30 and $40K a year. The lead makes $60K? Then throw in extra for for fiction novel writing.

Am I close?

GG

I'd take a guess at around £25-27k for senior games devs, JJ on about £40k, RP and JG on about £50k. Juniors on about £20k.

So lets see:

Minimum wage ($7 USD) at around 40 hours a week earns approx 14,560 dollars (USD)

what you are stating ($20K GBP) is equal to 30K USD

Thats an ok pay raise, but does it seem a little low for someone who is actually DESIGNING the PRODUCT?