Being involved in a major court case seemed to sideline us recently. I won't go into detail, but much of the stress has definitely been lessened lately.

We had numerous projects in the works, and we have quite a few kits done and waiting for release. I have made a rule to not show products until I have painted pictures of them. This is the first one for the year (one of many).

The "Spartan Heads compatible with Space Marines" consist of a sprue of 5 pewter heads. Each head is different and this set sells for $5.50.



I have a few more products I will be showing next week as soon as the paint jobs are done. Some parts compatible with Space Marine troop and vehicle models, Imperial Guard weapons and conversion kits as well a stand alone proxy for an Eldar unit.

I love the second and 5th heads. The others are pretty good too. If they fit with the fluff of my army, I'd snap them up in short order.

Vary nice.

Very nice sculpts and paint there nick!

Thanks everyone.

Tomas (the sculptor) is also and excellent painter, but I would rather him sculpt then spend time painting. Between accounting, customer support, shipping and packing and now metal casting I dont have time to paint either. Hopefully Ill get some nibbles on the painting position.

I'd offer to help, but I'm too busy with my own stuff, let alone even getting around to it.

Fafnir wrote:I'd offer to help, but I'm too busy with my own stuff, let alone even getting around to it.

Maybe that is every painters problem I only tend to touch a paintbrush when I am in emergency mode for a tournament that needs painted models... (last thing I painted was 2 lashwhips and 4 boneswords for my Swarm Lord and his Guard)

Chapterhouse wrote:Being involved in a major court case seemed to sideline us recently...

But has done nothing to deter you from using the names of another company's products in the names of your own products.

Methinks that would be unwise at this time.

Those helmets looks slick!

Would Chapterhouse consider sculpting Kukri knives that might fit on IG troopers? I have been looking all over for suitable 28mm Kukri bits without any luck.

Anyway, awesome helmets keep up the great work!

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:Being involved in a major court case seemed to sideline us recently...

But has done nothing to deter you from using the names of another company's products in the names of your own products.

Methinks that would be unwise at this time.

Oh God.....Here we go....yet another news thread devolving into a 'are you guys really legal?' one?

Please prove me wrong and don't go down that route Dakkaites.

Ketara wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:Being involved in a major court case seemed to sideline us recently...

But has done nothing to deter you from using the names of another company's products in the names of your own products.

Methinks that would be unwise at this time.

Oh God.....Here we go....yet another news thread devolving into a 'are you guys really legal?' one?

Please prove me wrong and don't go down that route Dakkaites.

Like it or not Ketara, he has a solid point.

jp400 wrote:

Ketara wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:Being involved in a major court case seemed to sideline us recently...

But has done nothing to deter you from using the names of another company's products in the names of your own products.

Methinks that would be unwise at this time.

Oh God.....Here we go....yet another news thread devolving into a 'are you guys really legal?' one?

Please prove me wrong and don't go down that route Dakkaites.

Like it or not Ketara, he has a solid point.

Yes. He does. In one of the umpteen dozen other threads that have been devoted to that precise topic so far.

I think its been discussed to death so very many times that its almost like popping into a litko thread and making the meme reference by this stage of the game: everyone knows it, everyone's done it to death, and everyone wishes everyone who goes into it would move on and talk about something different.

I really like those heads, make for some neat conversions I think, possibly sternguard.

With regards to the legal stuff, why dont we just leave them to sort it out, nothing we say will make any difference. Just enjoy the product

jp400 wrote:

Ketara wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:Being involved in a major court case seemed to sideline us recently...

But has done nothing to deter you from using the names of another company's products in the names of your own products.

Methinks that would be unwise at this time.

Oh God.....Here we go....yet another news thread devolving into a 'are you guys really legal?' one?

Please prove me wrong and don't go down that route Dakkaites.

Like it or not Ketara, he has a solid point.

GW owns Spartan now too!? **** someone should tell the Greeks, maybe they'll take to the streets and riot again...

Love them, keep up the good work.

Those are really nice "Spartan Heads compatible with 28mm armored models."

I´ll post side view pics of the heads tomorrow if I cant find time to do so later today.
There are LOTS and details being omitted by frontal pics only.

Ketara wrote:Oh God.....Here we go....yet another news thread devolving into a 'are you guys really legal?' one?

Please prove me wrong and don't go down that route Dakkaites.

No, nothing like that. I make no assumptions nor judgements about the 'legality' of what they make. I just question the wisdom of even mentioning GW products given their current predicament.


Other than that I think they're nice heads.

nkelsch wrote:Those are really nice "Spartan Heads compatible with 28mm armored models."

This

They look very nice. I already have a project in mind where these would look perfectly. Can't wait to see what else you have coming.

First thing you've produced that I'm really, really interested in. I think those would look great on my soon to be added to my DIY chapter GK's. I'm going to wait to see what the plastic GK heads look like but I might be placing an order.

Any chance of seeing them on a space marine? That would help my decision tremendously.

The_Minsk wrote:I really like those heads, make for some neat conversions I think, possibly sternguard.

Heads for Sternguard sound good... might have to dig deep and grab me some sternguard

And the heads... obviously

Really like those heads

Hulksmash wrote:First thing you've produced that I'm really, really interested in. I think those would look great on my soon to be added to my DIY chapter GK's. I'm going to wait to see what the plastic GK heads look like but I might be placing an order.

Any chance of seeing them on a space marine? That would help my decision tremendously.

Ill see if Tomas can send me a picture for visual comparison purposes only.

I don't wanna get you in more trouble. I sent you a pm

Yesss... these look great! Also I'm looking forward to the IG bitz (I assume they are Hits_the_spot's autoguns?).

Kolath wrote:Yesss... these look great! Also I'm looking forward to the IG bitz (I assume they are Hits_the_spot's autoguns?).

Among other things...

Just in time for me to start my guard army... :-D

Will you be able to release some kind of statement about the case once it is resolved? Any idea what sort of time frame you're looking at?

Any chance of seeing them on a space marine? That would help my decision tremendously.

Ill see if Tomas can send me a picture for visual comparison purposes only.

The second I get some spare time this weekend or monday at worst I´ll take some comparison pics and send to Nick.

By the way, there is somewhere on dakka a thread with these heads in green on marine torsos so you can look armour some and you´ll find comparison pics if you´d like.


Here are some side pics of the 5 heads. (Nick, you could use these pics, just cut them out)

Well they look good. It'll be a nice 10-12 packs of them I'd be ordering for me assuming the regular GK helmets don't look as sweet. Thanks guys!

derek wrote:

jp400 wrote:

Ketara wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:Being involved in a major court case seemed to sideline us recently...

But has done nothing to deter you from using the names of another company's products in the names of your own products.

Methinks that would be unwise at this time.

Oh God.....Here we go....yet another news thread devolving into a 'are you guys really legal?' one?

Please prove me wrong and don't go down that route Dakkaites.

Like it or not Ketara, he has a solid point.

GW owns Spartan now too!? **** someone should tell the Greeks, maybe they'll take to the streets and riot again...

And the "I-Am-Completely-Missing-The-Point" Award goes too........

Interesting heads. Quick tip: say "Compatible with 28mm models" rather than "Compatible with Space Marines". Less trouble that way and it means the same thing anyway.

Would only suit personally-made chapters though.

Chapterhouse wrote:...and conversion kits as well a stand alone proxy for an Eldar unit.

I'm liking this, but I can't imagine what it could be. The only thing "missing" from the range would be Jetbike-HQ, and y'all already have those.

Naysayers be damned, I love Chapterhouse for supporting my beloved Eldar and Tyranids. With Forge World's release of new stuff as well, this will be a happy Year of the Eldar for me even with no Codex.

jp400 wrote:

derek wrote:

jp400 wrote:

Ketara wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:Being involved in a major court case seemed to sideline us recently...

But has done nothing to deter you from using the names of another company's products in the names of your own products.

Methinks that would be unwise at this time.

Oh God.....Here we go....yet another news thread devolving into a 'are you guys really legal?' one?

Please prove me wrong and don't go down that route Dakkaites.

Like it or not Ketara, he has a solid point.

GW owns Spartan now too!? **** someone should tell the Greeks, maybe they'll take to the streets and riot again...

And the "I-Am-Completely-Missing-The-Point" Award goes too........

You? It doubles as the "Failure to recognize facetiousness" award to save on costs...like when GW drops stores to single employees to save on payroll...to pay their legal fees.

Also, side pics look fantastic.

derek wrote:like when GW drops stores to single employees to save on payroll...to pay their legal fees.

And not because, say, their retail stores are doing so poorly they're having to close them left and right.

And on topic, for some reason I like the idea of using these heads with Noise Marines. I don't know why I do, but they just seem like they'd be great for them.

Yes, cause the internet works wonders for conveying sarcasm, no?

Lulz

You have a deal with the heads/ shoulder pads combination?

Great looking helmets.

jp400 wrote:Yes, cause the internet works wonders for conveying sarcasm, no?

Lulz

That's the tragedy of the internet. Too many entitled children being very, very serious about how horrible GW is that I just roll my eyes immediately and assume "oh boy, another entitled child".

But seriously, the last thing I'd do if a company was taking legal action against me over use of their IP would be to associate anything I did with any aspect of said IP, especially not the most popular and recognizable bit of intellectual property the company owns.

God I love Chapterhouse's work, I'm still looking forward to these and to their continued work regardless of whatever GW has to say.

ArmorOfContempt wrote:

jp400 wrote:Yes, cause the internet works wonders for conveying sarcasm, no?

Lulz

That's the tragedy of the internet. Too many entitled children being very, very serious about how horrible GW is that I just roll my eyes immediately and assume "oh boy, another entitled child".

But seriously, the last thing I'd do if a company was taking legal action against me over use of their IP would be to associate anything I did with any aspect of said IP, especially not the most popular and recognizable bit of intellectual property the company owns.

Indeed.

Can the wannabe-armchair-lawyers please leave the thread and stop cluttering it with their ill-informed opinions on the legal system?

Back on topic, your painting is great, but you can hire this guy to paint your stuff:
http://www.studiogiraldez.blogspot.com/
His resume includes Corvus Belli (Infinity), Fantasy Flight, Sphere Wars, and can even make Privateer Press's ugly cartoony sculpts look great.

Nice work, Chapterhouse.

Honestly I think they might look even better tho if one cuts the horsehair crests off, leaving th metal part of the crest. Would look pretty great on preheresy figs that way.

Absolutionis wrote: and can even make Privateer Press's ugly cartoony sculpts look great.

Was this troll really needed?

To be fair they're getting better but a lot of the line still suffers from being a bit ugly and cartoony. That said some of the newer sculpts have almost gotten me into WarmaHordes.

jp400 wrote:Yes, cause the internet works wonders for conveying sarcasm, no?

Lulz

Facetiousness and sarcasm are not the same thing. I'd say it was obvious but that's redundant.

Absolutionis wrote:Can the wannabe-armchair-lawyers please leave the thread and stop cluttering it with their ill-informed opinions on the legal system?

Back on topic, your painting is great, but you can hire this guy to paint your stuff:
http://www.studiogiraldez.blogspot.com/
His resume includes Corvus Belli (Infinity), Fantasy Flight, Sphere Wars, and can even make Privateer Press's ugly cartoony sculpts look great.

At what point has anyone made any comments about legality?

there have been people stating their opinions on the wisdom of associating the heads with SMs, given the aforementioned court case, and that is all.

On Topic: I quite like these, I reckon that they would work quite well in a pre-heresy UM army.

lookin gr8 !

Not bad a cool idea...... remind me of transformers for some reason.

Heads look great CHS, really nice work Thomas!

Whaty gets me about this thread is the breathe taking arrogence of some people. HELLO {raps forehead with knuckles} they have IP lawyers representing them. Don't you think they would have taken their advice before posting this in the middle of a potential company killer of a law suit. It is his livlihood after all. Might be indicative of how much they think they will win. To all of you who say "I would advise ....." your advice is worth squat and you look stupid offerring it

Anyhoo like the models not quite my thing, but I do like them.am getting quite tempted with a few things.

Wow, these are nice. I think I buy a couple sets for a small Ultramarine force.

My thoughts exactly Sersi, power armoured romans with big square storm shields and power gladii (and crests!)

fullheadofhair wrote:Whaty gets me about this thread is the breathe taking arrogence of some people. HELLO {raps forehead with knuckles} they have IP lawyers representing them. Don't you think they would have taken their advice before posting this in the middle of a potential company killer of a law suit. It is his livlihood after all. Might be indicative of how much they think they will win. To all of you who say "I would advise ....." your advice is worth squat and you look stupid offerring it

Anyhoo like the models not quite my thing, but I do like them.am getting quite tempted with a few things.

Yeah because the previous said they where fine and free from legal prosecution oh wait a mi......................

I'd take your own advice personally.

Earthbeard wrote:

fullheadofhair wrote:Whaty gets me about this thread is the breathe taking arrogence of some people. HELLO {raps forehead with knuckles} they have IP lawyers representing them. Don't you think they would have taken their advice before posting this in the middle of a potential company killer of a law suit. It is his livlihood after all. Might be indicative of how much they think they will win. To all of you who say "I would advise ....." your advice is worth squat and you look stupid offerring it

Anyhoo like the models not quite my thing, but I do like them.am getting quite tempted with a few things.

Yeah because the previous said they where fine and free from legal prosecution oh wait a mi......................

I'd take your own advice personally.

Agree.

Seriously... HELLO {raps forehead with knuckles} GW also has a world-class IP lawyer representing them too. So to all of you who say "Continue to poke the bear, they gonna win a lawyer said so..." your advice is also worth squat and you look <insert insult here> offering it.

Here's some additional advice, from Dakka Dakka to all potential posters in this thread:

LEAVE the legal discussion OUT of it.

really cool heads..

I like 'em - probably use them for a command squad or Sternguard squad, were I to do a marine army.

Amesome, news Nick.

I have been waiting on these for my deathwatch Sternguard.

Chapterhouse continues to amaze me with the quality of the sculpts that they produce. I have a feeling that this is going to be a great year for all kinds of new kits.

hm, i might have to get quite a few of these heads for certain projects

So... are you alllowed to reveal what Eldar project you have in the works?

Additionally, how are the TS Marine body/legs coming? I saw the Project log on here and wonder how production is going.

Im actually waiting for the all-clear on the TS set.

I want to unviel the Eldar stand-in model when its painted

Question regarding shipping: If I want to order from the UK will I get hit with huge customs charges?
I ask only because it's happened before, and it sucks...
Cheers

I dont know, I guess the best thing would be to call your local post office.

Would you be charged customs fees if you order anything from out of your country?

TS set? really? is it pre heresy?

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:TS set? really? is it pre heresy?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/306818.page

well then..... sweetness

Sandyman11 wrote:Question regarding shipping: If I want to order from the UK will I get hit with huge customs charges?
I ask only because it's happened before, and it sucks...
Cheers

Yes if the order is over £18.00.

I don't think they charge 100% of packages though - I recently ordered £35 worth of stuff from Reaper and got it without any customs hassle.

Bigger companys like that tend include the customs charges ( paying at their end) in their international p&p charges

I got a £11 pound bill with one of my chapterhouse orders

johnstewartjohn wrote:

Sandyman11 wrote:Question regarding shipping: If I want to order from the UK will I get hit with huge customs charges?
I ask only because it's happened before, and it sucks...
Cheers

Yes if the order is over £18.00.

Ah ok brilliant
Cheers

johnstewartjohn wrote:Bigger companys like that tend include the customs charges ( paying at their end) in their international p&p charges

I got a £11 pound bill with one of my chapterhouse orders

How is that though? Do they not note the value of the item on the customs form?

I dont think there is any way for me to pay another countries customs fess with using the US Postal system.

Chapterhouse wrote:

johnstewartjohn wrote:Bigger companys like that tend include the customs charges ( paying at their end) in their international p&p charges

I got a £11 pound bill with one of my chapterhouse orders

How is that though? Do they not note the value of the item on the customs form?

I dont think there is any way for me to pay another countries customs fess with using the US Postal system.

They charged me the due taxes which were around 30p. However they charge you another £10.00 for delivery.
Thing is it was my fault.the currency converter I used had a slightly off rate.

There isn't, as the custom fee is determined after shipping. Some delivery services like UPS bring the package though customs though and collect the fee at your doorstep.
Small packages have a high chance to get through without customs bothering to deal with them.

Ya I had that problem when I sent a fedex too a company in the UK. Even though I paid $64.00 on my end for shipping they still got stuck with a 17 pound bill. I offered too pay but they wouldn't accept.

I will say with these heads I am soooooo tempted. The first and the third are my favorites me thinks.

I was looking for something like this a few months ago but now. Now I just need to wait until payday...

I look forward to "compatible with 28mm models©" becoming the new industrial towers and space corridors.

Great sculpts. I don't dig the spartan thing personally, but they are certainly a good example of the theme.

You know what would be a cool theme you never see in the sci-fi setting? Aztec & Mayan styling.

Ouze wrote:

You know what would be a cool theme you never see in the sci-fi setting? Aztec & Mayan styling.

There's at least one "home-rolled" chapter on the Interwebs with an Aztec theme... And, FWIW, the old Space Slann had a distinct Aztec/Mayan styling... Now if someone just had enough of the old Slann figures to make an army...

Valete,

JohnS

A mix of these and the Pre Heresy Ultramarine heads previewed a while back should fit nicely in my army bored of the same 4/5 helmets throughout the whole army

Just added a new model to the website. This model is special for us in a few ways. Its our first full metal miniature, not just an accessory piece. We also have recently hired Angel Giraldez as a painter for many of our pieces.

If you have ever wanted a female HQ model for your army, this may be your lucky day. So with no more delays...




Doomseer Iyanar-Duanna is cursed with the ability to forsee the slow death of her race. She shares the ability of all seers to see the paths of her race, but is only able to see the deaths of her people and nothing else. She was psychically scarred when she witnessed the death of the people of an entire world-ship, she is now doomed to spend every moment of her life tracking down the creature responsible.[i]

This piece will be sold for $13.50, it is 28mm scale and comes with a 25mm base. Each model will come with a sword arm, spear arm, spell casting arm and pointing arm.

The miniature can be found here

Next month I hope to have another piece that players can integrate into their armies.

Nick - Chapterhousestudios.com

Very nice

... wow! That's really well done.

Hm. Very mediocre.

Nice effort, but I'm not a fan. I'm shure it will be a great seller for you guys.

The hands seem bigger than the feet, and the head looks huge when looking at the proportions of the rest of the body.

Great paint job! You chose your artist wisely.

midget_overlord wrote:

The hands seem bigger than the feet, and the head looks huge when looking at the proportions of the rest of the body.

Bud, have you -looked- at a GW miniature recently? Those are the "heroic" proportions that plague the entire industry. Yeah, the legs are indeed a bit short for the bullk of the hands/torso. But same could certianly be said of pretty much every Marine model out there.

The upper body and head are great, though. And the arms look easy to magnetize.

Great looking model, and if I still had eldar I would have one or several .

I bet she gives great helmet.

I like the female doomsayer, when are we gonna see the big brain bug that could be a doom of malanti proxy released for sale?

I don't think shes very feminine... If all the straight laced Eldar women look like that then I'm of to Kommoragh...

Pretty cool Farseer, if I played Eldar I'd definitely be interested. Maybe I'll buy it for a friend when his birthday rolls around.

As for the older stuff, the Spartan helmets would go great with BA nipple armour, yea?

And regarding customs, there is a way for US companies to pay for EU customs, Amazon does it. If you buy a Kindle from the Amazon US they charge you for customs up front and you get the Kindle direct to your doorstep without having to deal with the customs office.

The arms do appear to be bigger and longer than the legs.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:The arms do appear to be bigger and longer than the legs.

Yeah, she has a gorilla body.

Have to agree, doesn't look female at all and the proportions are off.

Really nice painting though!

ArmorOfContempt wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:The arms do appear to be bigger and longer than the legs.

Yeah, she has a gorilla body.

Well, I'm prepared to believe it's a trick of the light/photographic angle if the parts could be pictured to show that.

ArmorOfContempt wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:The arms do appear to be bigger and longer than the legs.

Yeah, she has a gorilla body.

scarletsquig wrote:Have to agree, doesn't look female at all and the proportions are off.

Really nice painting though!

Hmm, from what I have read, Eldar arms are much longer then human arms arent they?

Remember in the fluff, they appear similiar in appearance but there are details that are "off" about them.

Thanks for the critiques.

Nick

Chapterhouse wrote:

Hmm, from what I have read, Eldar arms are much longer then human arms arent they?

Their limbs are supposed to be lithe and slender, but in all proportioning on their bodies, they follow the human pattern of longer legs than arms.



Orks have longer arms than legs, at least the aesthetic has gone that way recently. Dwarves are also designed that way often as well, it reinforces the notions of stocky, well built and enduring, about the opposite of the fleet and slender look you'd want to be going for with a space elf.

I think its a good model. I may have to pick one up. I would really like to see more conversion packs or even a Chapter House version of Wraithguard.

Want a Teaser for next month?

Here you go...

Ah, female guard...so often wished for, so seldom delivered

Those female Guard are.....actually rather good looking. Whoever you got to do the female officer/commissar is actually pretty damn good.

Shame you didn't get them to do the doomseer.

Ketara wrote:Those female Guard are.....actually rather good looking. Whoever you got to do the female officer/commissar is actually pretty damn good.

Shame you didn't get them to do the doomseer.

Wow... the guy who did the Female IG, well , , its the same guy!

Really? In that case, advise him not to drink whilst doing the Eldar stuff then.

What would be the fun in that?

Want June...now.

Ketara be nice lol

Proportions are a bit wonkey on the arms, but since you mention they are seperate pieces, it's no problem to do a little trimming right? Were I to do it, I would snip off the forearms and then trim a bit and glue it back into the robe sleeves.

That being said, the helmet and chest are 100% win for me. And considering what most company's first minis look like, I would also be inclined to give kudos on that front too!

Advice, you need to get the breast armour right. It is way off right now. Take a look at Corvus Belli or Studio McVey for pointers

Hm. "Not" striking scorpions, and a completely horrible looking female commissar that has a super long neck and boobs on her stomach. The good times keep rollin.

Thanks, for the pointers, those are still pretty raw, and Ill have Tom fix anything that gets past the main sculptor.

ph34r wrote:Hm. Very mediocre.

For once, I agree with this man.

A lot of scaling issues with it, while the paintjob helps it, it can't help but cover up the base problems.
I do quite like the helmet though.

I like the not striking scorpion arms, I might have to change the gun parts for the chainsabres, as they fit with the older looking catapult with round ammo clip and I prefer the newer long clip versions, but just being available is great.

One thing, making the same weapon loadouts available to the non exarch is cool, but would it have been bad to change the pose? The 2 handed chainsword has the exact same pose as the one available now, maybe a different pose would have been better to add diversity? Like a backward or overhead swing?

Same for the claw and chainsword, they are well done, but a different pose would have really been great IMO.

doomseer Iyanar-Duanna is cursed with the ability to forsee the slow death of her race. She shares the ability of all farseers to see the paths of her race, but is only able to see the deaths of her people and nothing else. She was psychically scarred when she witnessed the death of the people of Malantai, she is now doomed to spend every moment of her life tracking down the creature responsible.

You're call it a farseer and now its looking for the Doom of Malantai... are you guys legal machosists?

also the head looks good but the body looks a bit too human and broad/squat. It should be stretched up a bit more.

Phototoxin wrote:something about legality

That didn't take long.

The Dreadnote wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:something about legality

That didn't take long.

Actually you'll see it at the start of the thread too but it bears mentioning again as I think they are really trying to push the boundaries here, which is bad for us as if any company can start making 'generic 28mm heroic scale Super Powered Armor Crusading Exponent Marines then 40k will die (quicker)

Also model sculpt critique wasn't about legality. Learn to read.

oh then let it die.....at least that will be an end to Codex creep.....

This piece would be truly beautiful if not for the weird proportion from following GW's heroic scale.

Wow, was planning an order next month, now I'll wait for some of those items! sweet!


Plus I may order one of those Tau titans if some deals come through for me!

Phototoxin wrote:Also model sculpt critique wasn't about legality. Learn to read.

But the question "are you guys legal masochists" and the entire post before that was. In fact the model critique was edited in after I'd pressed the quote button already. Don't be needlessly insulting.

Yeah, I admit I'm not a fan. The paint job's nice, but the proportions are off - even with the 'heroic scale' - and I believe the 'fins' on the helmet are far too big. I'm also unimpressed by the pose and apparent lack of anything to identify as female. It's also a bit bare for an Eldar character, particularly if you compare it to GW's farseers. IMO.

LunaHound wrote:This piece would be truly beautiful if not for the weird proportion from being a weak sculpt hidden behind excellent painting.

[plastictrees fixed this post.]

The Female Commisars look like shaved orangutan's in clothes.

plastictrees wrote:

LunaHound wrote:This piece would be truly beautiful if not for the weird proportion from being a weak sculpt hidden behind excellent painting.

[plastictrees fixed this post]
The Female Commisars look like shaved orangutan's in clothes.

Hey! dont do that! now it looks like i typed that

[I have fixed it. Quoting another user and changing the quotation is OK as long as it is identified.]

Ouch. Gotta agree with some of the others on here. Maybe it's just the skirt, but the legs on that "doomseer" look way too short. Also, for love of Jeebus, please change the description! I'm pretty sure half the terms in that paragraph are copyrighted by GW. The female guard I can't comment on, because the pictures are kinda crappy and the sculpts aren't finalized.

I like the helmet on the space elf, and the girl guards legs (so far).

The heads don’t look good at all for the female guard, and I would suggest perhaps an option with a beret and hair as well as facial features that don’t look like they have downs.

But good legs and space elf hat. Good painting too on the space elf.

Glad I am not the only one who thought the commissar on the right had grandma boobs. Was wondering if I wasn't just getting weird ideas on anatomy.

The IG are off to a really good start though. I am really looking forward to that! Though the last thing I need are more IG, I really want some females for the list.

i went ahead and ordered it as soon as i saw it

Wow, more garbage. I feel really sorry for the guys with the brushes who have to work so hard to hide the poor sculpting

C'mon, are you not talking to the monkeys that are using their elbows to make this muck? Jez must be laughing his arse off looking at the softseer monkey sculpt, it looks like it was done in the Gary Morley era

I thought they looked pretty good actually.

It would be interesting to see some of them mixed in with GW figures.

Sounds like EVERYONE can sculpt on here at the moment! lets see what you've got then?

nerdfest09 wrote:Sounds like EVERYONE can sculpt on here at the moment! lets see what you've got then?

I can sculpt well enough. The difference is that I'm not trying to peddle my wares to people who play GW games. Stay on topic, as this will devolve into another bun fight about CHS having no imagination. My comments are purely that the sculpter is either Gary Morley, or that CHS can only afford for them to use their elbows as the sculpts are horrible (though I love the paint job done to hide the fact!)

It says it was sculpted by Jai Chi Lee and Tomas Fiertek.

It's irrelevant whether someone can sculpt or not as relates to their perception and criticism of a model based on aesthetic rather than technical reasons.

It's a lovely miniature, and a nice concept, but it is out of proportion, which isn't helped by the helmet vanes. Too late to change it I guess?
I was going to order one (if not two), but the proportions put me off... possible conversion to lengthen the legs?

Bollocks Captain Jack. if you dont like it, fine. an insult is still an insult, not criticism.

I do like the model, and i'll order it just to see how they worked over the details. but i'm waiting for the marines deets as well.

I wanted to like it, really, I did but to me the doomseer just looks like a fantasy generic wizard/spellcaster with an added Eldar head from the bits box added onto it.

On a side note, I would like to see CHS produce more product that isn't GW lite. Just to see if they can.

nerdfest09 wrote:Sounds like EVERYONE can sculpt on here at the moment! lets see what you've got then?

Congratulations, you just used one of the oldest, most inane rhetorical fallacies known to man. Well played.

I, for one, love the head and the body. It's certainly female-looking without being oversexualized. Either the arms or the legs seem a bit off (hopefully just the arms), and without a reference it's difficult to discern which.

If the hands are awkward, it's a simple fix with the dozens of extra Guardian and Avenger bits I have lying around; plus, converting is fun especially when it's a one-of model such as a Farseer.

I'm happy that you ended up choosing Ángel Giráldez as a painter!

I think the arms are too long (not by much though, although the large hands are throwing it out too), and the shins too short.

With my astonishly weak willpower, I'll probably get one and see if I can shorten/lengthen the limbs...


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(and on a totally picky note, I'd swap her names around. Duanna Iyanar sounds better)

I really like the guard models. Female without falling into hyper-sexualisation (see Soda pop miniatures).
Any news on that Chimera conversion kit you guys were working on? News on it just seemed to disappear, and I can't find it on your website.

I think the big detraction for the Eldar piece is how static it looks. There's not real line of dynamic action going on. Hard to get excited about something that looks like it's having a stroll.

hm, i think this farseer looks alright though i can see what people are saying about the arms being too long but that might just be how they're positioned in the pic. might have to order one

Yeaaah, her proportions seem off. She also seems anorexic.

Melissia wrote:Yeaaah, her proportions seem off. She also seems anorexic.

agreed, but all of GW eldar seem anorexic so it might be a good thing

@ChapterHouseStudios

Here's an idea. You obviously want to stick it to GW, I understand....at the same time, you want to run a business.

You've posted your wares on here, and had a mixed response. You obviously care what the internet community has to say, so why not kill two birds with one stone.

Why not come to a place like Dakka and find out (with the use of polls) what people really want....I mean limit it to a few choices of course, but within those choices really do the market research that GW doesn't seem to do.

Once you have your base idea...for example, you may find that from Market research, people really want to be able to purchase alternative models for Orgyns....for example. Now you go to your designers, and once you have some sketches or 3D models, you can again post them up and see what people think....the design that gets the most love, goes to the printers or gets a sculpt (green).

Now there's one more step, before you committ the sculpt (if its a green) to mold making process, come back here and find out if it has really hit the nail on the head....if yes, then go for it, maybe take some pre-orders...whatever...

The point here is that you are a small business, you have time that GW doesn't have to fill in the spaces in their current product lists, but you don't have the money to waste on failed ventures like the Eldar Farseer, plus, who said there was a need for another Farseer?

CadianXV wrote:I really like the guard models. Female without falling into hyper-sexualisation (see Soda pop miniatures).
Any news on that Chimera conversion kit you guys were working on? News on it just seemed to disappear, and I can't find it on your website.

Model is in production, I have sold a few of the preliminary cast, but I had to modify the Right side track further to have it fit with the Chimera kit correctly (the parts I have on hand now would require a little cutting to get right). The Chimera Wheeled conversion kit will be $12.50.

Delephont wrote:@ChapterHouseStudios

Here's an idea. You obviously want to stick it to GW, I understand....at the same time, you want to run a business.

You've posted your wares on here, and had a mixed response. You obviously care what the internet community has to say, so why not kill two birds with one stone.

Why not come to a place like Dakka and find out (with the use of polls) what people really want....I mean limit it to a few choices of course, but within those choices really do the market research that GW doesn't seem to do.

Once you have your base idea...for example, you may find that from Market research, people really want to be able to purchase alternative models for Orgyns....for example. Now you go to your designers, and once you have some sketches or 3D models, you can again post them up and see what people think....the design that gets the most love, goes to the printers or gets a sculpt (green).

Now there's one more step, before you committ the sculpt (if its a green) to mold making process, come back here and find out if it has really hit the nail on the head....if yes, then go for it, maybe take some pre-orders...whatever...

The point here is that you are a small business, you have time that GW doesn't have to fill in the spaces in their current product lists, but you don't have the money to waste on failed ventures like the Eldar Farseer, plus, who said there was a need for another Farseer?

You are right, and I have always tried to get ideas from the public forums. I do my best to ignore the ex-GW employees and other web trolls, so I will most likely do as you suggest in the future.

Personally, I think the model looks great. If you have it on the table with GWs Eldar figures, I don't think you would get anything but praise for using something different on the table besides the GW offerings (which is why we do what we do, for players to have the options).

Seeing as Captain Jack is an ex-forge world employee, I take it as a compliment he is so threatened by our work and goes out of the way to heckle it.

All Eldar players demand female Farseers for 10+ years. Same with female Guard.
And a Dakka poll thread (even with a pumped up ignore filter for Nick ) can only give a vague idea, as buys depend on the final sculpt (some back off, some new join in).

Chapterhouse wrote:
You are right, and I have always tried to get ideas from the public forums. I do my best to ignore the ex-GW employees and other web trolls, so I will most likely do as you suggest in the future.

Personally, I think the model looks great. If you have it on the table with GWs Eldar figures, I don't think you would get anything but praise for using something different on the table besides the GW offerings (which is why we do what we do, for players to have the options).

Seeing as Captain Jack is an ex-forge world employee, I take it as a compliment he is so threatened by our work and goes out of the way to heckle it.

Oh yes, you would have to keep an eye on trolls, of course.....I mean, I'm not trying to tell you how to run your business, but market research almost always pays for itself, if done correctly.

The "poll" idea was a shot from the hip, but if you want there are more robust marketing research methods. Your current business model has some really good potential, and IMHO you are not tapping into it to gleen the most profit. I mean, what is your mission statement, do you have company objectives? what are your strategies for hitting those objectives? do you have a strategy for new product introduction?.....while all of these things seem tedious, once defined they will enable you to produce the right product at the right time.

The next point is quality, final product quality and quality of concept.....whats the point of Henry Ford saying he loves his newly designed car if nobody buys it? I appreciate that you may love the Farseer, but don't make the same mistake so many small business owners make, and that is to defend their product to the death. If the product has issues, simply learn from them....at the end of the day, it's just one product in a future filled with products. All the mistakes you make today will be rectified in future offerings.

You done some things right, you picked one hell of an artist to help advertise your products....thats deserves a pat on the back. But your sculpting staff don't appear to be up the job. Remember (like how could you forget?!) you've selected your enemies, and they are formidable....so you need to be better or at the very least....better! Look at what other companie are doing, what sculptors they are working with.....these are the guys you need. It won't be cheap, but that's the game of investment. If you get a good sculpt out there, it will pay for itself in no time.......so it's worth it.

Delephont wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:
You are right, and I have always tried to get ideas from the public forums. I do my best to ignore the ex-GW employees and other web trolls, so I will most likely do as you suggest in the future.

Personally, I think the model looks great. If you have it on the table with GWs Eldar figures, I don't think you would get anything but praise for using something different on the table besides the GW offerings (which is why we do what we do, for players to have the options).

Seeing as Captain Jack is an ex-forge world employee, I take it as a compliment he is so threatened by our work and goes out of the way to heckle it.

Oh yes, you would have to keep an eye on trolls, of course.....I mean, I'm not trying to tell you how to run your business, but market research almost always pays for itself, if done correctly.

The "poll" idea was a shot from the hip, but if you want there are more robust marketing research methods. Your current business model has some really good potential, and IMHO you are not tapping into it to gleen the most profit. I mean, what is your mission statement, do you have company objectives? what are your strategies for hitting those objectives? do you have a strategy for new product introduction?.....while all of these things seem tedious, once defined they will enable you to produce the right product at the right time.

The next point is quality, final product quality and quality of concept.....whats the point of Henry Ford saying he loves his newly designed car if nobody buys it? I appreciate that you may love the Farseer, but don't make the same mistake so many small business owners make, and that is to defend their product to the death. If the product has issues, simply learn from them....at the end of the day, it's just one product in a future filled with products. All the mistakes you make today will be rectified in future offerings.

You done some things right, you picked one hell of an artist to help advertise your products....thats deserves a pat on the back. But your sculpting staff don't appear to be up the job. Remember (like how could you forget?!) you've selected your enemies, and they are formidable....so you need to be better or at the very least....better! Look at what other companie are doing, what sculptors they are working with.....these are the guys you need. It won't be cheap, but that's the game of investment. If you get a good sculpt out there, it will pay for itself in no time.......so it's worth it.

I totally agree with you. Is this miniature perfect, no, but it is a good piece, Im sure if you drew parallels to many of the larger companies entry pieces you would see the same issues. We are still evolving as a company, that includes the artist we employ. When I started doing this as a business, one of my goals was to find budding sculptors who had great potential and help them get more experience while working on sculpts for us. It is working, and yes there are the "web-elite" who insist on nothing but perfection (who strangely enough never offer their elite talents for hire) but there are also many hobbyist who appreciate the attempts we make and support us.

I am sure some part of it comes from myself not having much sculpting skill at all, when I see this piece, I love it, though the legs threw me off a bit, till I found I could take that stance myself in real life with little issue. I will keep posting and asking for opinions. I will also keep working with the sculptors as well and help them progress as the company does.

I believe next month is our anniversary for the launch of our store. There will be quite a few things going on, some new pieces that have been in the works for a while, as well as a new webstore design. I appreciate the support and criticism (not the junk heckling some are happy to throw out, the real critiques) and will do my best to keep good pieces flowing (notice I did not say perfect!).

Nick
Chapterhouse Studios

I don't get the hate. The model looks pretty good.

Pointing out that its' arms look a tad long/out or proportion? Fine. Saying the sculptor did it with their elbows... now you're crossing the line.

Let's keep it civil, so that this thread doesn't suck, as it's threatening to.

RiTides, +1 on that sarr!

Kroothawk wrote:All Eldar players demand female Farseers for 10+ years. Same with female Guard.
And a Dakka poll thread (even with a pumped up ignore filter for Nick ) can only give a vague idea, as buys depend on the final sculpt (some back off, some new join in).

Yeah, it is rather funny; everyone wants something (in this case, I think people have wanted female farseers since at least DoW), until it comes out, then you realize what people really want is for the model maker to read their minds.

Chapterhouse wrote:I totally agree with you. Is this miniature perfect, no, but it is a good piece, Im sure if you drew parallels to many of the larger companies entry pieces you would see the same issues. We are still evolving as a company, that includes the artist we employ. When I started doing this as a business, one of my goals was to find budding sculptors who had great potential and help them get more experience while working on sculpts for us. It is working, and yes there are the "web-elite" who insist on nothing but perfection (who strangely enough never offer their elite talents for hire) but there are also many hobbyist who appreciate the attempts we make and support us.

I am sure some part of it comes from myself not having much sculpting skill at all, when I see this piece, I love it, though the legs threw me off a bit, till I found I could take that stance myself in real life with little issue. I will keep posting and asking for opinions. I will also keep working with the sculptors as well and help them progress as the company does.

To my eye, I think the biggest problem is the "antlers", as it were: because they create the impression of a very, very tall and long figure, the legs don't seem right. Personally, I think the boots could be a bit thicker, but that's small potatoes. Is the model a bit generic? Sure, but it's supposed to be, after all, it's meant for people to put their own spin on for their own armies.

Another problem that I think is tripping people up is that the corset style breastplate combined with the loincloth makes it difficult to see where exactly her hips are; if people are perceiving them to be lower then where the sculptor imagined them, it creates the impression of shortened legs.

As for new sculptors (meaning no slight to your own people, nor should any of the above be taken that way), if you could get this guy, I think you could do some really snazzy stuff.

RiTides wrote:I don't get the hate. The model looks pretty good.

Pointing out that its' arms look a tad long/out or proportion? Fine. Saying the sculptor did it with their elbows... now you're crossing the line.

Let's keep it civil, so that this thread doesn't suck, as it's threatening to.

I'm mystified myself: the model is a pretty good sculpt, all things considered. Is it Perry Brothers best? I would say no, but the complaints about anatomy are a bit... odd, considering GW has produced, maybe, 1 marine sculpt that bares even a passing resemblance to human anatomy.

Personally, I think it's the best sculpt they've put out. Not a fan of the rather plain head vanes, but that is a very simple fix for me with a bit of green stuff and plasticard.

I bought it the moment I saw it. Thanks CH!

Proportions: yes, I know it's not real. Yes I know that GW proportions are more than a little off too. Yes I know that the medium has its own intrinsic properties that sometimes don't help with that, but...

when drawing HUMAN figures, and remember, she's not human...
ignoring the helm itself and imagining the head within it, bodies are about 6 heads tall - she fits that pretty well, but she'd be pretty slender, which is okay for Eldar. But, add on the armour and she gets stockier and stockier. Everything is where it should be, but it's exaggerated/warped by the armour being put on top of that. To be honest, I think that 's the material working against this model here.

Taking the model with the helmet - but without the vanes - it's three heads tall. It's an optical illusion, and it just looks a bit odd. If you take the helm to be the 'head', the legs would have to be lengthened to balance out the height. This is kinda what the original Eldar sketches do - long helms, tiny chests and torsos, very long legs in comparison.

Add in the vanes on the helmet, she's only two and a quarter heads tall, and it looks very odd - again, optical illusion. While the paintjob is fatastic, what might help is if the faceplate were a contrasting colour to define it more and to tell our brains 'face'; it'd be another optical trick.

Like I've said, this is a great miniature, and a fantastic concept. You have to accept that by putting it up here, you'll get criticism of it (I suspect you'd get criticism even if it were *perfect* lol). But use that criticism, like you have with the female Guard greens to make changes; I don't know if you can change this particular model, but keep it in mind. As Delphont said, use thse forums and this very critical audience as a test for your products - do you see many other companies doing that and then actually giving their customers a hand in the design process? Think of the power and creativity you'd have at your fingertips, it'd be brilliant!

As I always say to students when we do this sort of exercise (and as I was always told when I was the student), we're criticising the work, not the person - a very hard seperation to make when you put so much of yourself in in your work, but it's an important point to remember.

i really like the scorpion arms.

Alright, so other than the farseer's proportions being whack, and the standing female commissar having all sorts of problems, I can say that the running commissar is pretty good, and the female torsos look promising.

I dislike the fact that people think "yeah, well what have you sculpted?" is a valid argument. Seriously people, we all graduated middle school here, we know what fallacies are.

Chapterhouse wrote:Once you have your base idea...for example, you may find that from Market research, people really want to be able to purchase alternative models for Orgyns....for example. Now you go to your designers, and once you have some sketches or 3D models, you can again post them up and see what people think....the design that gets the most love, goes to the printers or gets a sculpt (green).

The point here is that you are a small business, you have time that GW doesn't have to fill in the spaces in their current product lists, but you don't have the money to waste on failed ventures like the Eldar Farseer, plus, who said there was a need for another Farseer?

You are right, and I have always tried to get ideas from the public forums. I do my best to ignore the ex-GW employees and other web trolls, so I will most likely do as you suggest in the future.

Personally, I think the model looks great. If you have it on the table with GWs Eldar figures, I don't think you would get anything but praise for using something different on the table besides the GW offerings (which is why we do what we do, for players to have the options).

Seeing as Captain Jack is an ex-forge world employee, I take it as a compliment he is so threatened by our work and goes out of the way to heckle it.

Meh, knew that was coming . Just because you think I'm ex FW doesn't mean I'm threatened, I was never part of FW just manufacturing. I heckle because the sculpts are poor. I will stop making negative coments when the quality of sculpt is better than Gary Morleys . Hey, if you think it's complementary to put out garbage then go ahead

Better yet, go away and come back with some minis that are new and interesting and not apeing GW's. I see Kromlek, Maxmini and even Troll Forged have move away from directly using GW style imagery. Maybe that's why I post positively on their threads when they produce something I might have been interested in.

Meh, if you can't accept critisism then don't post. I am not the only one in this thread to mention that the model is lacking, I was not even the first. Continued insistance on posting poor minis will result in negative replies. Not all, but some. Live with it. Trying to pick me out will not prevent me from putting my opinion in these threads

@ph34r

You're right, the response to opinion in some cases has been less than appropriate, however, the same could be said about the way in which said opinions have been aired.

I think it would be a good use of all of our time to support and help companies like Chapterhouse rather then simply running their efforts into the ground.

@Chapterhouse

Here is an idea some friends and I were playing with (prior to my going back to Uni to study my Masters ) basically, we would have set up a website, and invited people to participate in custom designed miniatures.

The venture is quite simple, for example, if a miniature once designed and produced (probably in resin) needs say 40 versions to make it's costs back, and deliver a small profit, then the sculpt would only go to "production" if we ramped up 40 pre-orders, at say 40% final cost. Once the figures had been sold, and had the miniature had payed for itself, the miniature would go on general sale....at this stage, any further sales of the figure would be a simple profit for the company (-minus direct production costs).

For a company like Chapterhouse, this might be a way to reduce your risks of new product introduction and make maximum profit. Taking the Farseer as an example, my guess is that you have sunk a degree of investment in that sculpt with little or no promise of a payback (fingers crossed it does well), however, the above concept might help reduce risk, direct your development spending, and maximise on your product portfolio.....just an idea

Hello you lot at Chapterhouse!

If you'd like some of my money, would you do me a series of SM/Terminator-compatible heads with cigars in their mouths?

I must say that while many things looked alright at Chapterhouse I was saddened at the way the female heads for IG conversion looked. They looked very off, some had the eyes at odd angles and the best ones looked like claymation character heads. I would say that for female sculpts, I will stick to conversion of Reaper minis as they have sculptors who do lovely work on female minis,.

The female heads could have been done better.

OTOH a lot of people look at high resolution images on the internet that show game pieces at three or four times life size, and criticise the pieces on that account.

The impression when you have 60 finished figures on the table, surrounded by tanks, is completely different.

Killkrazy makes a good point. SoB heads look pretty bad up close and when you are painting them, but at 3 feet on the table they look fine.

Are you talking about the new greens of the heads we have with helmets or the first run of heads that are currently on the site?

I will agree that the currently being sold heads are not for everyone. There is something elfish about the features. The new heads though look different and I already see much improvement on them (especially when paired with the armor and legs we have).

The new site will have a forums in it, and I do intend to post ideas and concepts on there so we can flesh them out with the crowds.

You really should think about moving into fantasy conversion parts as there is no competition at all there. People at the moment tend to do whole models and not specific parts.

Sci fi is obviously intrinsically linked to 40k, being the biggest wargame in that genre, but it also makes it a lot harder to be both close and different in design.

The Farseer is nice but not USD16 nice.

Hello,
I dont even play Eldar and I like the look of this model.

Regards,
Carl

Captain Jack wrote:Wow, more garbage. I feel really sorry for the guys with the brushes who have to work so hard to hide the poor sculpting
C'mon, are you not talking to the monkeys that are using their elbows to make this muck? Jez must be laughing his arse off looking at the softseer monkey sculpt, it looks like it was done in the Gary Morley era

Captain Jack wrote:(...) The difference is that I'm not trying to peddle my wares to people who play GW games.(...) CHS having no imagination. (...) CHS can only afford for them to use their elbows as the sculpts are horrible

Captain Jack wrote: Hey, if you think it's complementary to put out garbage then go ahead
Better yet, go away and come back with some minis that are new and interesting and not apeing GW's.

Can a mod please stop this rude fellow from constantly breaching forum rules? Thank you!

Chapterhouse, my critique was of the female IG heads. That close of them made them look odd. I have seen other mini lines that look good up close, Reaper has great looking females and their faces look well,,,,female. I was saying the female heads for IG conversion presently up look mutated, or like claymation heads. And yeah, maybe on tabletop they won't look so bad from 3 ft away, but i know as I would be painting the faces as unpainted plastic or metal looks wrong to me.

Tabitha’s unsolicited advice to a small miniatures company:

Hi Chapterhouse! I thought I would give you some unsolicited modeling advice!

Anyway, here is some advice on making really good models and the like:

Design the model first!
What I do when I make a model is first make a sketch, concept drawing for it and then produce that in 3D on a computer. zBrush has all sorts of crazy add-ons and the like and I enjoy it. There is also a really cool open source project called Make Human (just google it) that allows you to make realistic bodies in 3D in minutes. You can export them as .obj files and import them into your 3D model program of choice. What this would do is help you keep your proportions correct. With zBrush you can actually design pieces of armor and the like for your character and use one of the brushes to fit it to your model. You can also easily change every aspect of the pose from arm position to the very knuckles on the fingers. This might help in making your plastics/resin mini’s fit other popular game company’s weapons more easily.

Another technique and I don’t know if you guys do this, is 3 ups which is basically a big version of what you’re making. If you design it as suggested above, what I would do to make a 3 up is use a rapid prototyping machine, which is basically a big printer that prints in 3D. These things can turn your 3D computer image into a real toy in a few hours. Rapid prototype machines that produce in 28mm scale accurately enough for a war gaming miniature are super expensive, one that could produce a 3up is fairly affordable, and would give your sculpting team nice large versions of the models you want them to produce.

But why cast your miniatures in the traditional way?!

You could produce models in 3D, break them into pieces (like legs/arms/bodies/heads) and place them on a sprue in 3D on your computer. Then use a CNC machine capable of fine detail and strong enough to engrave aluminum and produce resin mini’s on the sprue that are as versatile as anything GW makes. Best of all by designing your miniature on a 3D doll you can make one model which you could then pose in a variety of positions and add little bits of bling here and there to give people tons of options.




For instance you could do this: Design a set of space marine shoulder pads in 3D. Design emblems for the 30 most popular space marine chapters that GW doesn’t make parts for. Use zBrush (or your 3d Model making program of choice) to put the emblems on the shoulder pads and save them. Cut them all in aluminum and now you have a mold for each that, depending on how abrasive the resin you cast with is, can do 100,000 pulls or so. You could likely have 1 person do all this in about a month.
Anyway.

How much does all this cost you ask?

Well you can buy a CNC machine that can engrave aluminum for about $10K or build one yourself for about $2-3k (the router and drill are the most expensive parts, and you need a machine strong enough for aluminum, most only do wood/foam). Aluminum is about $1 a pound. You can build an injection mold machine thing for like a grand, or buy one for a good bit more.

So for about $10,000-$20,000 you can get some awesome mold making capabilities. Designing your models in 3D before making them in green stuff or resin lets you ensure proportions, and producing them with a computer is much much MUCH quicker then having one or two sculptor’s produce them, and you can change what you like and don’t like much more easily. Heck you could even submit 3D images on various forums for suggestions and fine tuning before cutting them. And you get molds that last pretty much as long as your company will.


The rapid prototyper is much more expensive, but perhaps you could get that later. You can also produce bad ass terrain with them.


Anyway the last piece of advice I will give you is quality control. Some of the stuff you have on your website looks really awesome. Its good quality stuff that I would expect from pretty much any of the big names in war gaming. And then some is…well not so much. When some of your releases blow people away, but others show poor quality workmanship then it leaves a questionable impression with your customers.

Anyway good luck with your business. If you want any information about building a CNC machine or plastic injection machine or about making aluminum molds just send me a PM.

-Tabitha.

This is my projected female commissar for conversion once I can afford to do so.

I like the female farseer but I dont really see what makes it a female.. Yeah okay I get that "boob armor" doesnt make any sense but when a lot of people think of female farseers they think of dawn of war.

That farseer was very very easily seen as being a woman.. this one not so much. Boob armor can serve a purpose if no other feature of the model is feminine

I love the female guard, I've been hoping you guys would do something of the sort can't wait for these!

If you are going to ride on the IP of another company, the sculpt should at least be of similar quality.

The figure is woefully two dimensional and thick-limbed. Completely inelegant. It should at least be as elegant and dynamic as GW's male farseers, if not more so.

Such as it is, its quite the failure.

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Praise

I really like the helmet.

This is an opinion which offers limited feedback on specific features of the model. The sculptor could read this and ask what people like about the helmet.

Criticism

The skirt is too short.

This is a considered opinion which people can easily consider and respond to, since it gives aesthetic reasons for the preference.

Insult

Wow, more garbage!

This is an opinion which offers no useful feedback and merely creates a negative atmosphere. The sculptor who reads this will probably mark the writer down as a h8tr and put him on Ignore.

The general principle on DakkaDakka is not to be totally negative about stuff. That policy isn’t motivated by political correctness, it comes from the fact that people take criticism on board more easily if the bitter pill is sweetened with some sugar.

Lots of people are interested in a company which produces stuff to fill in the gaps in the GW range. They would also like the products to be the highest quality possible.

I would ask people to contribute in a useful manner to the discussion.
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Kirasu wrote:I like the female farseer but I dont really see what makes it a female.. Yeah okay I get that "boob armor" doesnt make any sense but when a lot of people think of female farseers they think of dawn of war.

That farseer was very very easily seen as being a woman.. this one not so much. Boob armor can serve a purpose if no other feature of the model is feminine

To be fair, Dawn of War II's Farseer did not have boob armour, and even they managed to make it look like a woman, even if you put a helmet on her. It is all in the proportions at the end of the day. And I think that Chapterhouse dropped the ball when it came to this. I also do think that the chest piece does slightly mimic the male chest simply due to the design of the upper chest armour, which doesn't help at all.

The thing about doing anything with Female Imperial Guard:

No matter the head, no matter the boob armor, no matter the legs and curves.....


As long as you use the IG arms, they will have large large large man hands. Even painted black for gloves...they are too large!!!!!!

Kroothawk wrote:

Captain Jack wrote:Wow, more garbage. I feel really sorry for the guys with the brushes who have to work so hard to hide the poor sculpting
C'mon, are you not talking to the monkeys that are using their elbows to make this muck? Jez must be laughing his arse off looking at the softseer monkey sculpt, it looks like it was done in the Gary Morley era

Captain Jack wrote:(...) The difference is that I'm not trying to peddle my wares to people who play GW games.(...) CHS having no imagination. (...) CHS can only afford for them to use their elbows as the sculpts are horrible

Captain Jack wrote: Hey, if you think it's complementary to put out garbage then go ahead
Better yet, go away and come back with some minis that are new and interesting and not apeing GW's.

Can a mod please stop this rude fellow from constantly breaching forum rules? Thank you!

Seconded, and I am not referring to giving hiim and ph34r a polite reminder as to the difference between criticism and insult.

I have recently seen a poster censured for use of the word "jerks", and various other warnings etc. given out for far less than this level of trolling and rudeness.

Padre^.

[MOD] Please use the alert button to make complaints about users.

Remember that most action by moderators happens in private, so you will not know about the result.

These Boys wanna see a good 'ol fashion lychin y-ear.....nothing like a good bit of "Burn the Witch" on a Sunday afternoon

Chapterhouse wrote:
I am sure some part of it comes from myself not having much sculpting skill at all, when I see this piece, I love it, though the legs threw me off a bit, till I found I could take that stance myself in real life with little issue.

(Pictures Chapterhouse Studios 'Research Department' involving men with antlers attempting different stances while wearing those suits with all the little balls on them that athletes wear for sports video games)

Back on topic...

General Hobbs wrote:

The thing about doing anything with Female Imperial Guard:

No matter the head, no matter the boob armor, no matter the legs and curves.....


As long as you use the IG arms, they will have large large large man hands. Even painted black for gloves...they are too large!!!!!!

Very true.

The solution of course is to produce entire female Space Army soldiers, either as parts or completed models.

There is clearly a market for such figures, as well as the kind of variant parts that several companies make. GW apparently does not have the urge or perhaps capacity to produce models of this sort, so it is to our benefit that third party companies step in to fill the gap.

The only disadvantage to veteran players is that such models could not be taken to GW shops and official competitions.

unheilig wrote:If you are going to ride on the IP of another company, the sculpt should at least be of similar quality.

The figure is woefully two dimensional and thick-limbed. Completely inelegant. It should at least be as elegant and dynamic as GW's male farseers, if not more so.

Such as it is, its quite the failure.

Pretty much this. Especially inelegant for a lady seer as well.

This is their first lead figure. I think the quality will improve with practice. If you look at Infinity, some of the early figures are noticeably poorer than the new stuff.

Thanks for all the advice.

Tabitha, regarding your advice, all those steps are somewhat beyond even a medium size company. I talk to the reaper folks a lot and even they have not started using Zbrush and CnC technology fully yet. They also do not do 3-ups as that more then triples the cost of just the sculpting.

We do use concept art and trade ideas back and forth during the creation and sculpting phase. I admit part of the issue is I am no sculptor (though I did much of the clean up on the Tervigon Conversion kit), I can make suggestions on details, but not so much on physiology.

This was our first released full figure, I appreciate all the feedback (and Im sure the sculptors do as well). Be it negative or positive comments on the sculpt, it all helps the sculptors progress.

I was hesitant to do arms for the female soldiers (anyone want to help name these girls regiment?), mainly because I wanted the players to be able to use parts from GW to weaponize them. This would not lead to any confusion on the playing table regarding weapons. Honestly the arms and weapons look decent when shown on the models, which I will show later this week.

The plan is to release them in sets of 12 (6 different sculpts for each body part) sans arms. I am debating on having arm sets sculpted up that will be designed to hold our rifles that are soon to be release.. again that leaves out the special weapons and heavy weapons..

Since Im slightly buzzed from last nights birthday celebration, big 32, I'll head back to bed

Nick

terribletrygon wrote:

Kirasu wrote:I like the female farseer but I dont really see what makes it a female.. Yeah okay I get that "boob armor" doesnt make any sense but when a lot of people think of female farseers they think of dawn of war.

That farseer was very very easily seen as being a woman.. this one not so much. Boob armor can serve a purpose if no other feature of the model is feminine

To be fair, Dawn of War II's Farseer did not have boob armour, and even they managed to make it look like a woman, even if you put a helmet on her. It is all in the proportions at the end of the day. And I think that Chapterhouse dropped the ball when it came to this. I also do think that the chest piece does slightly mimic the male chest simply due to the design of the upper chest armour, which doesn't help at all.

No offense, but you guys seem to be viewing the past through the gauzy lens of nostalgia; Farseer Taldeer from DoW had some heavy duty "boob armor";


If anything, the sculpt at hand seems more subtle in that regard. Also, when people talk about how successfully they conveyed gender in DoW, it must be remembered that they had at least one advantage CHS will never have, Laara Sadiq doing the V.O. work.

I never was referring to DoW I's farseer.

I've been waiting on a female Farseer/Warlock fig for an age now, the cash in my wallet is waiting to leap at one. Sadly this one has not changed that position and the wallet shall remain closed.

Because I'm looking at it and thinking, 'where's any sign of it being a female'

Not saying it needs HH bweebs here, but some sort of shape, because at the moment without a female head, its looks male.
Either it needs some kind of breasts that stand out to some degree or a obvious this is a female head, with hair hanging down.

Here are three of the better examples of a female farseer I've seen drawn, one being a GW version. Even on the first where the breasts are not overdone, there is a shape to them. The Doomseer's look flat, so to me look like just an overstyled male chest.

Ok to sum up, the minature is poorly proportioned and awkwardly posed. The detail on the legs is lacking in both shape and form, and the failings of the sculpter with respect to the minatures arms only excentuates this. To continue, the basic shape of the helmet is pretty much a direct copy of a GW Eldar warrior which it most definately is not. The only somewhat original parts of the helmet are the 'bunny ears' which are strangely blocky considering the Eldar aesthetic to which the miniature aspires.

With reference to the Eldar race, which the miniature fails to ape, they were designed for the most part by Jez Goodwin. A lot of forum members probably respect Jez as a highly talented sculpter, and this pale shadow of an attempt at a Farseer is insulting, considering it is destined to be offered for sale. I would have been less visceral if the sculpter was just showing the mini as a skills demonstration. There would be less of a problem if the miniature was original in any way shape or form, but it is just an inferior attempt to use the complaint that GW don't so a female Farseer as justification. That justification is moot, as there is no requirement for GW to produce such a minature and indeed nothing preventing people producing such a minature for their own purposes, and not for profit.

Sooo, my position then. I find I am insulted that the minature is to be passed off as something which it is not, and by a company which has not demonstrated any ability to produce any original minatures that haven't come from the 40k universe (not going to go into the legality of it, and I would apreciate that we leave off on that issue as it will be dealt with in a court of law where it should be) which is undeniable. I also find that the manufacturers poor attitude to releases by other parties also further raises my ire and causes me to be more critical of their releases. The contension that it is ok to make money off anothers work (by direct use with no originality, to the untrained eye) is not something that others should aspire too, and indeed after early forays other manufacturers have managed to find their own sci fi setting that parallels the 40k universe without taking directly.

Finally there are many similar issues with previously offered sculpts that have been regularly commented on, and it would appear that nothing is being learned from those failings. This lack of progress in ability further shows a lack of ambition to get anywhere near the standards GW hold. Yes there are GW minatures that people will point to that from a personal aesthetic are not perfect, but that is a far cry from an entire range where the detail is soft, poorly aligned or out of proportion. Hence the use of the word garbage.

I would also like to point out that I no longer work for GW production and haven't for more than a few years, though I do hold companies that I spend my money with to the same standards. I spend my cash freely with Heresy/Hasslefree/Antenicities and many others because of their production values. I am sorry if my values offend anyone, but these offerings are unashamedly poor.

And here i thought it was a hobby...

xcasex wrote:And here i thought it was a hobby...

Yup, it is. Right upto the point that you start charging money for it

No doubt the true success or failure of this piece will only be shown in the sales figures.....I think it's safe to say Cpt. Jack et al. have made their points and opinions well known, perhaps it's time to stop scratching the itch and simply allow cold harsh economics tell the tale from here.

Those are nice pics of lady Farseers farther up the page.

No.1 doesn't have a female head, but her breasts are highlighted to make them appear more prominent, and she has nail varnish. She is wearing a long, double layered skirt.

No.2 is rather androgynous except for the way the gold pattern on the breastplate lifts, separates and emphasises the breasts. I sound like a bra advert. Her nails appear to be French polished. Her hips are accentuated by the two heavy belts she is wearing. She is posed with a hand on her left hip -- this is a feminine pose.

The other figure in the background seems to have a thicker waist, but this could be the effect of the heavier armour. The figure is side on and we can't get a good view of the waist and hips. I couldn’t say for sure he is a male elf. This reduces the contrast with the female Farseer.



No.3 has a fantasy female face with eyeliner and a small jaw. Her narrow waist is accentuated by the armour styling with a bare midriff, the breasts also benefit from armour styling which highlights them and partly bares them. She appears to be wearing a long skirt. Her hair is fairly long.

Overall, signs of female identity are in the clothing, styling and accoutrements, not just the body form.

The physical deportment or pose of the figure also has an effect.

All the pics are much larger than a 28mm figurine.

Number two is the one I'd actually like a fig of, also the GW pic of the three. Well sabertooth art if my notes are correct, but some kind of official GW art regardless.

I agree with what you are saying Kilkrazy, but sadly this fig hasn't got anything that marks it out as female. I have seen a few conversions that are miles better on whats offer here.

If I'm honest though,. I would have rather it was over the top, then completely underwhelming like this.

If I want to use a male fig and say its a female under the armour I might as well use Eldrad, not pay for one that doesn't live up to the sales pitch.


edit - here are some examples, the first two are ones I'd consider for myself if I could get a conversion together, but even the third which I think some would dislike heavily, I prefer over the one for sale.

I really like number one, thought the head isn't Elven enough for me. Number two doesn't really do it for me and number three would be good for the odd giggle game like I-munda where you can easily do something a bit looser than normal.

Great finds.

Delephont wrote:No doubt the true success or failure of this piece will only be shown in the sales figures.....I think it's safe to say Cpt. Jack et al. have made their points and opinions well known, perhaps it's time to stop scratching the itch and simply allow cold harsh economics tell the tale from here.

I have to agree with you, no matter how bad a sculpt is in our mind some people will still buy it, let's just see how many persons that is.

I do think the paintjob makes the mini look miles better though and would like a picture of the green to let people see how badly sculpted it is.

I like the posing, arms do seem a bit long but not overtly so. Helmet seems a bit big---and just as an aesthetic I think your character models should always have their helmets off. It will help differentiate the sex (and your brand) from other companies.

Would love to see some 'Not Wraithguard' that didn't cost 150 bucks a unit....

Couldn't you just convert a banshee?

And I actually like the CH version, but don't play space elves.

Not really. The head's totally unusable as Farseers can't take a Banshee mask, and the body doesn't really scream Rune Armor. At best a Banshee would be an expensive modelling blank.

You could make use of the Executioner arms, though - I could see those working pretty well in a Staff conversion.

unheilig wrote:If you are going to ride on the IP of another company, the sculpt should at least be of similar quality.

The figure is woefully two dimensional and thick-limbed. Completely inelegant. It should at least be as elegant and dynamic as GW's male farseers, if not more so.

Such as it is, its quite the failure.

I know it's not like GW would put out anything like that...

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440239a&prodId=prod1060055

Behold the Munchkin Farseer!

*sigh*
enough is enough.

With reference to the Eldar race, which the miniature fails to ape

I guess GW "aping" Tolkiens Eldar race is ok?

A free hint just for you:
If you now are trying to sound mature and constructive in order to mask your overly displayed hate and bias, pleeease, at least try to refrain from veiled insults ok, it helps a lot.

and this pale shadow of an attempt at a Farseer is insulting, considering it is destined to be offered for sale.

Its perfectly ok, if you dont like it then dont buy it instead of barging in with your own hate spewing insults in every single thread chapterhouse is mentioned.
The only time you actually manage to sound constructive is after the mods repeatedly tell you to stop spewing your biased crap and even then (now) you STILL cant help yourself when trying to give your unbiased and insult free so called "criticism".
If you really arent a bitter former FW employer who couldnt cut it then act accordingly.

Sooo, my position then. I find I am insulted that the minature is to be passed off as something which it is not

And I am insulted that someone is constantly trying to pass of his biased hate in almost every thread as something which it is not (constructive critique without personal insults).

I also find that the manufacturers poor attitude to releases by other parties also further raises my ire

Would you pretend to "care" about other companies poor attitude towards their competitors and customers as well or does you bias only go as far as to chapterhouse?
Here is a nice example taken from a company that also advertises on dakka: ramshackle games, and what kind of attitude they display towards others on other boards:

"
Dude, I wish I had a bunch of anonymous goons. Please note that I have called you a gakker and many other insults, here and on other forums, but always as Ramshackle_Curtis. Why would I use a sock puppet when I can just call you a witch straight out? (to bad dakka censors strong words or else his post quote here would be PG18)
"
Would you like to see what insults ramshackle games spews about hasslefree as well? About un-satisfied customers? No? Care to be a "concerned citizen" about that as well or are you just another simple hypocrite?
Had you even tried to display a resemblance of honestly and non bias I would have taken you seriously.

This lack of progress in ability further shows a lack of ambition to get anywhere near the standards GW hold. Yes there are GW minatures that people will point to that from a personal aesthetic are not perfect, but that is a far cry from an entire range where the detail is soft, poorly aligned or out of proportion.

A lack of ambition, hmm? Far cry compared to the nearly perfect GW miniatures? hmm...

You mean these flawless things for example?
http://www.fast-autos.net/diecast-cars-models/diecast-car-image-large/oop-grey-knight-terminator-gw-40k-space-marine-pewter_260733502261.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1910/img0944p.jpg

Please, by all means, I did not know even a gigant like GW started out with perfect minis from their old garage studio but you know what the good part is, you dont have to be bothered by irritating little things like facts when trolling, that´s the good thing about bias, you can just stop when it suits you.

I would also like to point out that I no longer work for GW production and haven't for more than a few years

I so wonder why. With that attitude you display in here I would not hire you even if someone paid me.

I know it's not like GW would put out anything like that...

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440239a&prodId=prod1060055

Sssh, dont confuse cpt jack here.

Pyriel-, couldnt even have written it better myself! next time work takes me to gothenburg, let's have beer at kings end. lots of it.

ph34r wrote:Hm. "Not" striking scorpions, and a completely horrible looking female commissar that has a super long neck and boobs on her stomach. The good times keep rollin.

Exactly!
All female miniatures should have super huge boobs with nipples that point at the sky and tiny little waists!
Don't make anything divergent from that. We don't want minis that might resemble real people with saggy boobs or long necks.

Way to call him out on his errors, ph34r!

Eric

I don't think the Doomseer is nearly as bad as you guys are trying to claim.

Taking all of its parts separately, I think it's actually quite good. The only problem is that that those parts don't assemble into a really compelling centerpiece model, which is what a farseer should be. I know they made it that way in order to let you swap different arms/weapons out, but I'd prefer my farseer to look like it was in a more naturalistic pose appropriate for it's weapons, rather just standing there the way it is. That's not enough to make it a bad sculpt, but I would probably only buy it if it was cheap and only to chop it up and make the farseer I really want.

as a Sidenote, will you guys be selling those IG 'eads separately? have an upcoming 20+ IG conversion coming and the specific model i'm using only has 1 head availible.

You know, I don't want to put any more "rounds down the range" at Chapterhouse, but there is something to consider in all this....the argument about start up miniature companies and how "bad" we should reasonably expect their products to be in the beginning.

Now, I'm not implying that Chapterhouses products are bad, I'm more aiming my comments at those examples of GW's original products etc.....

There is something called "development"....and I don't mean a company developing it's own products over time, I mean industry development. Just because companies like GW started out with some (by todays standards) really bad miniatures, does that then mean that any company starting out today can expect to sell miniatures of that same "starting out" quality? I think not.....

In todays miniature markets, with the abundance of talent on the ground offering their services, and with information sources as openly accessible as they are, there is no excuse for a company to produce a "bad" minature, in terms of proportion, pose and detail....yes, a company can produce a bad concept...but not a badly constructed miniature....

Imagine this, I want to start my own car company, so my first car resembles a Model T-Ford, has no airbags, no power steering, and most importantly....no I.C.E how many people would buy it out of sympathy for me being a start up company? or it being my "first" attempt at a car?

Having finally read the last 3 pages and caught up to speed, I've got to say that I find a lot of double-talk in it.

Every time CHS puts out something to accentuate a GW model, they get criticized for 'aping" GW's stuff. Now, they're putting out a model to be used as a farseer, and they're getting criticized that it isn't CLOSE ENOUGH to GW's models.

Geez, people. Come on. Pick an argument. Either you want their stuff to fit perfectly seamlessly with GW's stuff (so you can further claim IP breach) or you want it different (so you can complain that is doesn't mimic GW eough). You can't have it both ways, though. It just makes you a hypocrite... and an annoying one.

I don't care for the farseer. It's a decent model, but -FOR ME- the price is a bit off-putting. I have no use, really, for the female IG stuff, but I think they look really nice.
The Scorpio arms are really cool. As a non-Eldar player, I have no use for them, but I'm certain that there are a BUNCH of Eldar players out there who are foaming at the mouth, waiting to get their hands on them.
What would be excellent now is a Scorpio helmet, so GW Guardians could be converted to Scorpions with the add-ons.

(Note: "Scorpio" was used by choice and is not a typo)

Eric

Delephont wrote:You know, I don't want to put any more "rounds down the range" at Chapterhouse, but there is something to consider in all this....the argument about start up miniature companies and how "bad" we should reasonably expect their products to be in the beginning.

Now, I'm not implying that Chapterhouses products are bad, I'm more aiming my comments at those examples of GW's original products etc.....

There is something called "development"....and I don't mean a company developing it's own products over time, I mean industry development. Just because companies like GW started out with some (by todays standards) really bad miniatures, does that then mean that any company starting out today can expect to sell miniatures of that same "starting out" quality? I think not.....

In todays miniature markets, with the abundance of talent on the ground offering their services, and with information sources as openly accessible as they are, there is no excuse for a company to produce a "bad" minature, in terms of proportion, pose and detail....yes, a company can produce a bad concept...but not a badly constructed miniature....

Imagine this, I want to start my own car company, so my first car resembles a Model T-Ford, has no airbags, no power steering, and most importantly....no I.C.E how many people would buy it out of sympathy for me being a start up company? or it being my "first" attempt at a car?

My opinion:

Yeah, I think its fair to expect great quality thats on level with GW. Of all the aftermarket bitz companies that post their products on this site, CH is the least skilled. Hands down. Sure they make some decent stuff (I've purchased from them before, to be honest) but the majority of CH product is blown out of the water by what Paulson, Maxmini, Kromlech and most other GW-centric miniature and bitz makers can put out.

A quick perusal of the first page in news and rumours has about a half dozen aftermarket bits companies and none of them get the amount of vitriol that seems to be reserved for CH. Nor do any of them (aside from Paulson) have a lawsuit on their plate, and I think that in both cases, its because their quality is the worst, in terms of sculpting skills. I'm not saying that to demean CH, there's nothing wrong with being the worst team in the minor leagues, as long as it puts food on your plate, more power to you.

Maybe we should add this to all Chapterhouse Studio threads:

xcasex wrote:Pyriel-, couldnt even have written it better myself! next time work takes me to gothenburg, let's have beer at kings end. lots of it.

Great idea man, PM me when that happens, brewskies are on me!

The thread is getting ridiculous ( even for my standards )

We have one side overly rude and sensitive over the design

We have one side desperately covering the bad sculpts by linking GW's bad sculpt as comparison.

If it sells , great. If it doesnt , then im sure ChapterHouse will take that into consideration in the future.

Personal note, the reason im not buying it is due to the bad sculpt , NOT that i dont want a Farseer.

LunaHound wrote:The thread is getting ridiculous ( even for my standards )

We have one side overly rude and sensitive over the design

We have one side desperately covering the bad sculpts by linking GW's bad sculpt as comparison.

If it sells , great. If it doesnt , then im sure ChapterHouse will take that into consideration in the future.

Personal note, the reason im not buying it is due to the bad sculpt , NOT that i dont want a Farseer.

If I ever come across rude, I apologize. I will defend myself by saying that I have always been receptive to negative criticism that is about the products and does not reek of a personal attack. It is when insults and immature remarks arise that I take offense.

I will aspire to release the best products we can with the resources available.

Now I have to finish putting the finishing touches on the female commando models I want to take photos of tomorrow to show more previews of.

Eh no CH , i didnt mention you o_o

I still like your cosmic fox stuff :3

Ok, for naming the female regiment (if this will be heard over the noise):

Dahomey Amazons

Night Witches

Zelenko's Zuaves

Vaguely interesting side note: the Russians had a crap tonne of female pilots, including entire regiments. I had no idea.

MagickalMemories wrote:

ph34r wrote:Hm. "Not" striking scorpions, and a completely horrible looking female commissar that has a super long neck and boobs on her stomach. The good times keep rollin.

Exactly!
All female miniatures should have super huge boobs with nipples that point at the sky and tiny little waists!
Don't make anything divergent from that. We don't want minis that might resemble real people with saggy boobs or long necks.

Way to call him out on his errors, ph34r!

Eric

It's like you read my post, then fell asleep and dreamed up a different post entirely, and then responded angrily to it! Great stuff, top notch.

That model does not look like a human. Unless the human has an abnormally long neck and the largest, saggiest boobs that armor is form fitted for.

Eldar aren't human.

Eldar are just space elves which are compared *to* humans as being skinnier and more graceful.. Just like DnD and tolkein elves

All I was trying to say is the model does not look "female".. It just looks like someone in armor. Since the default is generally male I think there really should be more effort put into making something look feminine, if its billed as such

Given the slender frames of Eldar you cant just give them HUUUGE muscles like catachans. You add breasts or (Please pay attention to the 2nd option here, Im not saying just slap boob armor on her) a non-helmeted feminine head and you got a correct model, without those you have some dude model billed as being a woman

I think the model is *fine*, its just not any more female than the male farseers which in a problem to me. Reaper wouldnt even exist if people didnt want female models that looked female, so obviously it IS a desire among modelers. Personally Id like an actual female looking farseer in my eldar, but the current model has no place in my collection since its the same as every other farseer

Reaper wouldnt even exist if people didnt want female models that looked female

I find that claim a little dubious. Reaper makes good models and I highly doubt their female sculpts alone are the only reason they're successful.

Sidstyler wrote:

Reaper wouldnt even exist if people didnt want female models that looked female

I find that claim a little dubious. Reaper makes good models and I highly doubt their female sculpts alone are the only reason they're successful.

Yeah, reaper has some pretty nice models, even discarding any female ones.

If I ever come across rude, I apologize. I will defend myself by saying that I have always been receptive to negative criticism that is about the products and does not reek of a personal attack. It is when insults and immature remarks arise that I take offense.

I will aspire to release the best products we can with the resources available.

*sigh*

I have frequently seen you come across as rude (not to mention arrogant) and I have never seen you be receptive to negative criticism, ever. I have repeatedly called for you to apologise for the problems that you have inflicted on others due to your attitude and poor behaviour and I'm still waiting...

I have seen some of your products first hand and they are atrocious. 'Aspiring' to release good quality products is not the same as having good quality control. Charging money for resin that is dimpled is just insulting to your customers.

Another day, another terrible Chapterhouse release. At least the new painter is pretty good.

The teased at scorpion arms do look good though...

The farseer sucks, anyone can get a decent farseer by..
... Using the woodelves female Mage, replacing the head with a helmet & modelling on some armour
... Using Avatars of war dark elf sorceress, filling up the cloak to look like cloth as opposed to dinoskin, modelling on some armour, probably giving her a blank faceplate alá Shadowseer...

At least, that's what I did

archont wrote:
... Using the woodelves female Mage, replacing the head with a helmet & modelling on some armour
... Using Avatars of war dark elf sorceress, filling up the cloak to look like cloth as opposed to dinoskin, modelling on some armour, probably giving her a blank faceplate alá Shadowseer...

lovely ideas...

Except you keep the dinoskin for a Exodite Seer... yum!

Hey Chapterhouse, I have a request

Please make some Necron destroyer legs! They could look similar to the tomb spider's legs, or the tomb stalker.. where they just "plug in" where the 3 little jet / exhaust thingies are on each side of the destroyer body so you can make destroyer-scorpion-centaur looking things. Just sell em in a pack of 6 legs, maybe a couple different poses.. but give em the same look so left or right sides won't matter.

I'd buy that for a dollar (or more).

This thread needs to be toned down a notch as well. The miniature in question does have photos of it available, so people are free to make their own judgements. Don't take a product announcement thread as an opportunity to simply bash on a product; it really isn't relevant to the conversation. Talking about what you're not going to use it for (and why) is off-topic; it's like saying what a bad job this miniature would do if used as a sponge.

This is not to say that there can't be critiques, but they need to be kept objective and in check.

I'm not trying to defend the model in question, but the discussion needs to remain on-topic.

Thank you.

+1

Some people have been pointlessly harsh. You hate it and ch and want to really show your opinion? Don't buy it.

You don't like it and comment on how to improve it, you are helping. I don't see why people get so worked up everytime they release something... Its no skin off your teeth to just not buy and move along lol.

The market will support or squish them, rest assured that if everyone hated it, ch will not be putting out many more models, problem solved. If they are in fact acting illegally, problem solved.

If people do buy, and it turns out they are in the clear legally, maybe it's a sign we don't need to take a dump on the dakkaforum lawn everytime a thread is updated.

I like the female doomseer model. It looks like a "generic female space elf with magic powers" and if I played "space elves" I'd get it.

Aye, I'm personally adding the pics as hints to the guy who did the Doomseer, on what Doomseer 2 could look like.

I should take this moment to add the likelyhood of me purchasing said mini would skyrocket.

Sidstyler wrote:Eldar aren't human.

I'm not talking about the farseer? You should probably read the posts that you reply to.

Just wanted to add some information from the blog of Ángel Giráldez; there are a number of pictures there for better views. A question occurs though;



As we see, the arms are all separate (naturally), are they only available as a whole unit (that is, with the body)? Or could they be purchased separately for purposes of conversion? I'm just wondering, it's been a while since I tried to convert a seer council.

ph34r wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:Eldar aren't human.

I'm not talking about the farseer? You should probably read the posts that you reply to.

Easy now, he just made a little mistake, that's all.

Pyriel- wrote:Boring stuff

Hi there I see you are still biting. That sum up you gave applies to a completely different forum, where the values are completely different and the relationships are more complex than you give credit for. However while you're at it, I can take a bit of sniping but from what I have read this mini isn't being too well recieved. I love how my being ex something makes me bitter about it, I can now afford plenty of resin and plastic crak, ta. Also while we are on the subject of quotes, I quite like this little number:

Chapterhousestudios wrote:


Nu-uh, these are the old Eldar Farseers, theres not much resemblence to the head besides a general shape.




You know what, you're right, there is absolutely no resemblance between your and theirs. Its completey coincidence and there is no way that you're actually trying to knock off an eldar farseer. Doomseer. Farseer/Warlock, whatever.




It is also absolutely crazy of all of us to think that the fact that you had it painted with an Eldar rune on its head is anything other than happenstance. Given the myriad ways lines can be arranged into glyphs, it should give no more suprise when they randomly come together in a form that is completely in line stylisticly with an idiom that your sculpting also coincidentally lines up with, than it should suprise us when it doesn't. Thats how random chance works after all.

Chapterhousestudios wrote:

Also the name has NOTHING from the GW universe. I pulled her name from some ancient priestess names and changed a few letters up.


Its really childish of us to think that Iyanar has any similarity to the craftworld of Iyanden. It is so obviously a randomization of 'some thing I found on google and rearranged' that to note the congruence with the estableshed IP that it sails so close to would be just plain fatuous. Shame on us.

Chapterhousestudios wrote:


I dont mind critiques, but when you are making a gak storm over GW comparisons and then you have sculptors asking for video game characters, movie characters etc etc it gets hypocritical.


How can you expect us to not compare it when that is so clearly, with out any doubt, 100% what you are doing? You know, you might catch a lot less flack if you didn't try to masquerade as this innocent pariah who is just getting picked on due to coincidence. Stop trying to defend your sculpt on grounds that are so clearly false!

Saying that it doesn't look like an eldar character, doesn't sound like an eldar character, isn't painted like an eldar character, wasn't specifically sculpted to be as close to an eldar character as you can get away with when that is so clearly the case has a lot to do with WHY you get treated the way you do around here. There are plenty of people who will say that treading on someone elses IP is bad, no matter who they are. You have to accept that plenty of the people in the world actually believe in absolutes of right and wrong. You will never win them over, but you shouldn't be suprised. If that weren't the case, the world wouldn't function.

However, there are plenty of people who see grey areas, and say- well, if you want to do derivative work and ride on the coat tails of established idioms and IP and fill niches, or offer competing cheaper products for those that are comfortable using alternative figures, thats fine! Thats the free market, or thats the price of success, or whatever. Lots of people feel that way too.

You might come off as less of joke if you were straight forward and honest about it. It has been said around here before that the not-characters that folks like Crooked Dice, Heresy, HF, etc do are filling voids where no competing product by the IP holder exists. Do you not see how that is different? I'm not saying you have to agree philosophically, or that you can't say that you think what you're doing is just as legal/acceptable/moral, whatever. Your opinion is yours to have, but FACTUALLY, you're playing different games then they are.

Putting aside the above factual difference of filling a void, vs producing a knock off- Another big difference is that most of the above mentioned ranges make NO DENIALs about what they're doing. The similar names, the never-even-thinly-veiled allusions to the original source material. "MALCOLM ECCLESCAKE A time-bothering vagrant do-gooder. " , "Femdroid" vs Fembot, "Cobra" vs "Snake Plisken". Its all really clear whats going on.

On the contrary, you come in and say that you're NOT at all knocking off anything, and that any similarities between your blue dude up there and an eldar warlock or farseer are completely coincidental. You basically implicitly tell everyone that you think they are an ignorant donkey-cave if they think they see a similarity. How stupid do you really think people are?

I suppose you have to keep up the charade since you ARE in a different boat than the above people who are filling voids where no competeing product exists. Since you DO produce knock offs of your competitors products, I suppose it would be silly of you to openly say, "Yeah, I'm totally selling this not-farseer and cashing in on GW, check out how awesome I am!'.

Here's a suggestion: If you really don't think we're all as dumb as you seem to suggest we are, and you haven't drunk the kool-aid so much to actually believe your 'official line' about how original this all is, and you're really just having this on with a wink and nod to those in the know, how about rather than trotting out these pathetic tired old lines about 'random googling' and not having ANYTHING to do with GW source material, you just don't say anything at all, rather than insult our intelligence.

"Here's my new release. Hope you like it"

That's all you need to say. That'd suffice.

Captain Jack wrote:

Pyriel- wrote:Boring stuff

Hi there I see you are still biting. That sum up you gave applies to a completely different forum, where the values are completely different and the relationships are more complex than you give credit for. However while you're at it, I can take a bit of sniping but from what I have read this mini isn't being too well recieved. I love how my being ex something makes me bitter about it, I can now afford plenty of resin and plastic crak, ta. Also while we are on the subject of quotes, I quite like this little number:

Chapterhousestudios wrote:


Nu-uh, these are the old Eldar Farseers, theres not much resemblence to the head besides a general shape.




You know what, you're right, there is absolutely no resemblance between your and theirs. Its completey coincidence and there is no way that you're actually trying to knock off an eldar farseer. Doomseer. Farseer/Warlock, whatever.




It is also absolutely crazy of all of us to think that the fact that you had it painted with an Eldar rune on its head is anything other than happenstance. Given the myriad ways lines can be arranged into glyphs, it should give no more suprise when they randomly come together in a form that is completely in line stylisticly with an idiom that your sculpting also coincidentally lines up with, than it should suprise us when it doesn't. Thats how random chance works after all.

Chapterhousestudios wrote:

Also the name has NOTHING from the GW universe. I pulled her name from some ancient priestess names and changed a few letters up.


Its really childish of us to think that Iyanar has any similarity to the craftworld of Iyanden. It is so obviously a randomization of 'some thing I found on google and rearranged' that to note the congruence with the estableshed IP that it sails so close to would be just plain fatuous. Shame on us.

Chapterhousestudios wrote:


I dont mind critiques, but when you are making a gak storm over GW comparisons and then you have sculptors asking for video game characters, movie characters etc etc it gets hypocritical.


How can you expect us to not compare it when that is so clearly, with out any doubt, 100% what you are doing? You know, you might catch a lot less flack if you didn't try to masquerade as this innocent pariah who is just getting picked on due to coincidence. Stop trying to defend your sculpt on grounds that are so clearly false!

Saying that it doesn't look like an eldar character, doesn't sound like an eldar character, isn't painted like an eldar character, wasn't specifically sculpted to be as close to an eldar character as you can get away with when that is so clearly the case has a lot to do with WHY you get treated the way you do around here. There are plenty of people who will say that treading on someone elses IP is bad, no matter who they are. You have to accept that plenty of the people in the world actually believe in absolutes of right and wrong. You will never win them over, but you shouldn't be suprised. If that weren't the case, the world wouldn't function.

However, there are plenty of people who see grey areas, and say- well, if you want to do derivative work and ride on the coat tails of established idioms and IP and fill niches, or offer competing cheaper products for those that are comfortable using alternative figures, thats fine! Thats the free market, or thats the price of success, or whatever. Lots of people feel that way too.

You might come off as less of joke if you were straight forward and honest about it. It has been said around here before that the not-characters that folks like Crooked Dice, Heresy, HF, etc do are filling voids where no competing product by the IP holder exists. Do you not see how that is different? I'm not saying you have to agree philosophically, or that you can't say that you think what you're doing is just as legal/acceptable/moral, whatever. Your opinion is yours to have, but FACTUALLY, you're playing different games then they are.

Putting aside the above factual difference of filling a void, vs producing a knock off- Another big difference is that most of the above mentioned ranges make NO DENIALs about what they're doing. The similar names, the never-even-thinly-veiled allusions to the original source material. "MALCOLM ECCLESCAKE A time-bothering vagrant do-gooder. " , "Femdroid" vs Fembot, "Cobra" vs "Snake Plisken". Its all really clear whats going on.

On the contrary, you come in and say that you're NOT at all knocking off anything, and that any similarities between your blue dude up there and an eldar warlock or farseer are completely coincidental. You basically implicitly tell everyone that you think they are an ignorant donkey-cave if they think they see a similarity. How stupid do you really think people are?

I suppose you have to keep up the charade since you ARE in a different boat than the above people who are filling voids where no competeing product exists. Since you DO produce knock offs of your competitors products, I suppose it would be silly of you to openly say, "Yeah, I'm totally selling this not-farseer and cashing in on GW, check out how awesome I am!'.

Here's a suggestion: If you really don't think we're all as dumb as you seem to suggest we are, and you haven't drunk the kool-aid so much to actually believe your 'official line' about how original this all is, and you're really just having this on with a wink and nod to those in the know, how about rather than trotting out these pathetic tired old lines about 'random googling' and not having ANYTHING to do with GW source material, you just don't say anything at all, rather than insult our intelligence.

"Here's my new release. Hope you like it"

That's all you need to say. That'd suffice.

Very nice summation.

100% agree.

Captain Jack wrote:

Stuff most people are tired of reading...

I guess I should be grateful that CHS has such a loyal fan (lol stalker) that they jump forums to heckle us, without CHS what would you post about?!

I find it interesting that anyone thinks that we have said we are not trying to appeal to GW fans and fill in the blanks. We have always said we are catering to that player base and trying to expand what they can do with the models and their collections. This is what gets us negative attention, for some GW fans this is sacrilege that you can use other company’s items in 40K. Add to the fact we do not attempt to hide the fact our items are for 40k players (which is a big no-no according to GWs IP bible) and you get frothing posters jumping up to defend the innocent GW Company.

There is a difference between saying "this is a 40k product" and saying "this can be used by 40k players", it is in the legality of the action. I have always tried my best to label our products accurately and within the context of IP law. It does not matter to me if some find the act of making parts for 40K offensable, I am here for the players who want options, who don’t want to have to go underground and search for those options. If you Google search for Space Marine Shoulder Pads, our stuff comes up on the search, and they are meant to be used on those models. There is nothing wrong with this.

What no one needs to is the incessantly loud-mouth attention seekers who want to pound their narrow opinions down the mouth of the masses? There are a few posters here like that. Sure there are posters who comment they don’t like the company or the idea and stop at that. Then you have the posters who insist they know the laws, that their moral grounds are the only correct ones and that they are policeman of the GW IP. I do not think anyone around here appreciates those posters; they contribute nothing but vitriol to the discussions. Say your piece and let others make decisions for them.

From this point forward I will be ignoring those responses and users and hope everyone else can do the same, "please don't feed the trolls".

I admit that it is not pleasamt to read Chapterhouse threads while all those crazy stalkers are allowed to post their rude insults unhindered in here.

Bitspudlo just posted his Rhino conversion kit with a new dozer blade and guess what: Nobody cares about IP.

What on earth is a donkey-cave?

Ok, captain jack. who gives a frakk?

Captain Jack wrote something similar to:

Free Market Jives

So. Let. The. Market. Decide.

note to self: stop feeding the trolls.

Wehrkind wrote:Ok, for naming the female regiment (if this will be heard over the noise):

Dahomey Amazons

Night Witches

Zelenko's Zuaves

Vaguely interesting side note: the Russians had a crap tonne of female pilots, including entire regiments. I had no idea.

Not only that, but alot of those pilots were hot. I think some of the military history magazines just did some stories on them with pics.


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Chapterhouse wrote:I was hesitant to do arms for the female soldiers (anyone want to help name these girls regiment?), mainly because I wanted the players to be able to use parts from GW to weaponize them. This would not lead to any confusion on the playing table regarding weapons. Honestly the arms and weapons look decent when shown on the models, which I will show later this week.

The plan is to release them in sets of 12 (6 different sculpts for each body part) sans arms. I am debating on having arm sets sculpted up that will be designed to hold our rifles that are soon to be release.. again that leaves out the special weapons and heavy weapons..

Since Im slightly buzzed from last nights birthday celebration, big 32, I'll head back to bed

Nick

Totally understand that.

I've been trying to find a good way to convert female guard for a couple of years now...even had those huge resin figures that Doc Thunder was selling.

In the end, women in full armor look like short men. It's the hands that really stick out.....

dunno, but man hands really bug me.

Keep up the great work CHS!

Kroothawk wrote:I admit that it is not pleasamt to read Chapterhouse threads while all those crazy stalkers are allowed to post their rude insults unhindered in here.

Its no more severe then when GW or any other bits/mini maker releases a substandard mini/kit. The difference is CH, and its more vocal fans, feel the need to feed and be fed off of trolls, thereby detracting from any sensible discussion/critique of their product.

Question : Does my stated opinion that CH is consistently the worst of the bitz companies that showcase their product here make me a "crazy stalker" and is my assessment a "rude insult"? I ask because its genuinely not my intention to be rude, but to state my opinion as a consumer. Am I not entitled to my opinion? Are not others, even if they are rude? And again, the "rudeness" in this thread is no worse then the stormraven, dreadknight, <insert other polarizing mini releases>. Why should they get special treatment?

Kroothawk wrote:Bitspudlo just posted his Rhino conversion kit with a new dozer blade and guess what: Nobody cares about IP.

Yep, no one cares.. Because their stuff is by and large, great quality, while CH is pretty questionable (again, my opinion). Also, notice the posting "tone", if you will, of Tomash and Matus, the sculptors/owners of Bitspudlo and compare that to the CH poster. No troll baiting, no responding to blunt and rather rude critics with subtly written insults, just down to business "here's what I got, thanks for your patronage!" posts and answering questions/concerns from customers.

NELS1031 wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:I admit that it is not pleasamt to read Chapterhouse threads while all those crazy stalkers are allowed to post their rude insults unhindered in here.

Its no more severe then when GW or any other bits/mini maker releases a substandard mini/kit. The difference is CH, and its more vocal fans, feel the need to feed and be fed off of trolls, thereby detracting from any sensible discussion/critique of their product.

Question : Does my stated opinion that CH is consistently the worst of the bitz companies that showcase their product here make me a "crazy stalker" and is my assessment a "rude insult"? I ask because its genuinely not my intention to be rude, but to state my opinion as a consumer. Am I not entitled to my opinion? Are not others, even if they are rude? And again, the "rudeness" in this thread is no worse then the stormraven, dreadknight, <insert other polarizing mini releases>. Why should they get special treatment?

Kroothawk wrote:Bitspudlo just posted his Rhino conversion kit with a new dozer blade and guess what: Nobody cares about IP.

Yep, no one cares.. Because their stuff is by and large, great quality, while CH is pretty questionable (again, my opinion). Also, notice the posting "tone", if you will, of Tomash and Matus, the sculptors/owners of Bitspudlo and compare that to the CH poster. No troll baiting, no responding to blunt and rather rude critics with subtly written insults, just down to business "here's what I got, thanks for your patronage!" posts and answering questions/concerns from customers.

I do not think what you posted is rude or inflamatory. I dont think I have ever responded negatively to one of your post either. There is a big difference between stating a negative criticism vs rude opinions and trying to force those into everyones mind.

Just for comparison sake.. how is this quality any better then this?

Bit Studios

Chapterhouse


Or better yet these (forget the paint jobs)?
Bitstudio

Chapterhouse


Besides the difference in CAD design and free sculpt, they both have strengths and weaknesses, but again you do not have the angst in those other threads regarding IP, quality ETC.

If someone has a picture of a bad quality item that I have shipped them, please let me know, I have heard nothing but praise from my customers and would like to believe that all the "bad quality" post are from non-customers as evidence has seemed to suggest. I have had to ship out replacement resin pieces that had a bubble or other casting mishaps, but those go off without a hitch (defective merchandise exchange as normal).

Fortunately, we have happy customers that vote with their wallets and keep us solvent vs. the harsh criticism we face at times.

Its funny that 2 of the 4 photos you posted are of products that I own: Your Combi-weapons (which are ace, I admit) and the Thunderwolf from the other bitz guy will be pulling a chariot in my beastmen army as a "counts as" razorgor. To me, that t-wolf is superior to the GW T-wolf and GW's razorgor(not much isn't, I gotta admit despite owning 3 of those ugly things).

When I look at(and judge) your products, I compare like versus like products. Those space wolf doors, no offence intended, don't hold a candle to what Forgeworld has available and would look out of place if you placed a FW upgraded kit next to a rhino using your upgrade kit. There is just a separate level of sculpting ability/technology involved. I feel the same about maxmini, paulsons 40k centric weapons when placed next to yours. They just look better to be perfectly blunt. Again, thats just my opinion, take from it what you will.

Chapterhouse wrote:I dont think I have ever responded negatively to one of your post either.

No you haven't, nor was I ever fishing for a reponse, but you have lowered yourself to the level of some of the more vitriolic and vocal critics and responded in kind, which as I state, is a completely different "tone" to what most of these other bitz companies have on this forum. And it probably costs you some business.

As a non-biased individual that owns a "Space Elves" collection, and happily purchases third-party bits, and feels that CH is free to make "Melter Gunz" or "Stabbing Arachnid Powergloves" or whatever they feel like selling, I would like to state my completely unbiased opinion that the Doomseer's arms are too long, and that makes it look bad, and saying "Yeah, but they're aliens though!" isn't a freebie excuse to make things that look awkward - there is a difference between "rule of cool" and something that just looks ''off''. For example, the sword arm (is it a "Ghost Sword" or is a "Song Sword" or is it a "Shrieking Spearsword?") should barely have any forearm sticking out from the arm robes. If that was done people would probablly be able to overlook the fact that the hand would have nearly as much volume as her skull. Proportions don't have to be 100% accurate, but they have to be convincing, and those arms are out of place enough to make the model look off. You fix that, maybe throw in a couple more evil-looking bits, and you've gone from me not liking the mini to buying 3 to turn into a haemonculi coven, at a time when there aren't many new models for that sort of thing. That's useful information to CH.

And really, all the hand-wringing about people complaining (read:potential consumers giving feedback) is just as bad, if not worse, than the people complaining in the first place. A thread that consists of two pages of "OH YEAH! ILL BUY ONE!" "LOL CH STOP TAKING MY MONEY" "SWEET I CAN'T WAIT TO ORDER THIS" would be a stale echochamber, and would deprive CH of any sort of understanding as to why this model might sell less than another given kit they would produce. I suppose it's unfortunate that every thread can't be people sitting around talking about how awesome everything you like is, but other people get to display their opinions too.

And really, if someone has a problem, the onus isn't necessarily on them to write a 4-page art critique about the model. If it looks bad, and they indicate it looks bad, then CH can decide if it wants to try to find out why these people think it looks bad so that CH can try to get their money. This isn't a church suggestion box, it's a forum where businesses are showcasing their products to potential consumers.

NELS1031 wrote:Its funny that 2 of the 4 photos you posted are of products that I own: Your Combi-weapons (which are ace, I admit) and the Thunderwolf from the other bitz guy will be pulling a chariot in my beastmen army as a "counts as" razorgor. To me, that t-wolf is superior to the GW T-wolf and GW's razorgor(not much isn't, I gotta admit despite owning 3 of those ugly things).

When I look at(and judge) your products, I compare like versus like products. Those space wolf doors, no offence intended, don't hold a candle to what Forgeworld has available and would look out of place if you placed a FW upgraded kit next to a rhino using your upgrade kit. There is just a separate level of sculpting ability/technology involved. I feel the same about maxmini, paulsons 40k centric weapons when placed next to yours. They just look better to be perfectly blunt. Again, thats just my opinion, take from it what you will.

Chapterhouse wrote:I dont think I have ever responded negatively to one of your post either.

No you haven't, nor was I ever fishing for a reponse, but you have lowered yourself to the level of some of the more vitriolic and vocal critics and responded in kind, which as I state, is a completely different "tone" to what most of these other bitz companies have on this forum. And it probably costs you some business.

True, we dont have the luxury of using 3-ups like some companies nor do we have a dedicated 3D artist. I do not think I have ever compared ourselves to FW in quality of sculpt (though I do think our materials are superior), my company is still in its infancy and exploring different techs and using new artist. I prefer to find artist as they are developing and seeing how that turns out. Will our stuff be perfect? Probably not, but it will be another option for the player base if they choose to use it.

Honestly I don't think the FW doors were even sculpted at the 28mm size, I think these were 3D designed (just from looking at the sharp and uniform angles) or 3-upped. Still I think our doors are good quality and I hear that from the customers as well.

Forgeworld Space Wolf Rhino Doors - $17.00


Chapterhouse Wolf Doors for GW Rhino Kit - $15.00


Chapterhouse Wolf Doors and Armor kit for GW Rhino kit - $16.50


To me (and I hope others) their is value in many different options. Id rather have 3 different rhino kits on the field vs 1 on all my rhinos. I also try to give a bit more value for the money vs FW when I can.

I think an important distinction should be made in presentation. This is our fault, as we have a cheap web design working for us at the moment as well as many old bad photos (done by myself). We are working on this, and in fact have a new design in the process and 3 new painters on board. I will also be using a much better photo presentation with the new website as well.

MikeMcSomething wrote:As a non-biased individual that owns a "Space Elves" collection, and happily purchases third-party bits, and feels that CH is free to make "Melter Gunz" or "Stabbing Arachnid Powergloves" or whatever they feel like selling, I would like to state my completely unbiased opinion that the Doomseer's arms are too long, and that makes it look bad, and saying "Yeah, but they're aliens though!" isn't a freebie excuse to make things that look awkward - there is a difference between "rule of cool" and something that just looks ''off''. For example, the sword arm (is it a "Ghost Sword" or is a "Song Sword" or is it a "Shrieking Spearsword?") should barely have any forearm sticking out from the arm robes. If that was done people would probablly be able to overlook the fact that the hand would have nearly as much volume as her skull. Proportions don't have to be 100% accurate, but they have to be convincing, and those arms are out of place enough to make the model look off.

And really, all the hand-wringing about people complaining (read:potential consumers giving feedback) is just as bad, if not worse, than the people complaining in the first place. A thread that consists of two pages of "OH YEAH! ILL BUY ONE!" "LOL CH STOP TAKING MY MONEY" "SWEET I CAN'T WAIT TO ORDER THIS" would be a stale echochamber, and would deprive CH of any sort of understanding as to why this model might sell less than another given kit they would produce. I suppose it's unfortunate that every thread can't be people sitting around talking about how awesome everything you like is, but other people get to display their opinions too.

And really, if someone has a problem, the onus isn't necessarily on them to write a 4-page art critique about the model. If it looks bad, and they indicate it looks bad, then CH can decide if it wants to try to find out why these people think it looks bad so that CH can try to get their money. This isn't a church suggestion box, it's a forum where businesses are showcasing their products to potential consumers.

I agree with you on all accounts. I look for criticism and utilize it when its constructive (such as yours and many others), but there is a distinct line between giving upfront critiques and being an ass (and people are intelligent enough to know they are doing this). Thanks for the feedback, I hope the next mini does it more for you.

Dear CH , i think most of the arguments can be prevented if something like this was the response.

Dear valued customer we appreciate and welcome all feed back to further improve Chapter House's product quality so we may continue to serve you well into the future and beyond.

LunaHound wrote:Dear CH , i think most of the arguments can be prevented if something like this was the response.

Dear valued customer we appreciate and welcome all feed back to further improve Chapter House's product quality so we may continue to serve you well into the future and beyond.

Dear Lunahound we appreciate and welcome all feed back to further improve Chapter House's product quality so we may continue to serve you well into the future and beyond.

Chapterhouse wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Dear CH , i think most of the arguments can be prevented if something like this was the response.

Dear valued customer we appreciate and welcome all feed back to further improve Chapter House's product quality so we may continue to serve you well into the future and beyond.

Dear Lunahound we appreciate and welcome all feed back to further improve Chapter House's product quality so we may continue to serve you well into the future and beyond.

I love you T-T

LunaHound wrote:Dear CH , i think most of the arguments can be prevented if something like this was the response.

Dear valued customer we appreciate and welcome all feed back to further improve Chapter House's product quality so we may continue to serve you well into the future and beyond.

Professionalism is indeed a good thing.

Wow.
That's a LOT of boobage for an elf.

Eric

Two things to Chapterhouse. First, I like that Elf Arachnid Queen. Just a little bit wide in the face I think, but other then that, no complaints. Gonna have to get one for my shelf, since I don't play Elves, space or otherwise.

Second, have you guys givin' any thought to to making compatible pieces for some of GWs evil super soldiers?

this is pure win, I will have to buy one >< hopefully she comes with different arm options. though I would love to see a squad of all females like this, just with different poses and helmet options. if you guys made a full 10 wo(man) squad, and sold it for about 10bucks more than the 5 man squad GW makes I'd be all over that, lol I'd more than likely buy more than I had a use for ><.

IMHO one of your best items to date, keep up the good work CH.
G.A.

Wow... I dont even play not-Space Elves anymore and I wanna buy the Space Elf Boobage Queen for my next diorama.

Ok, I'm done. If you think my opinion is meer trolling then there is no point in posting. I will also leave this thought, if one company with no original ideas is allowed to poach ideas from another then what is stopping that company from cherry picking big sellers from others? I really don't like the look of that wedge. Scibor and the others have found a good balance, and are bringing out high quality products, why are we not seeing that here?

Ta ta

Now see thats a lot better, I agree its probably a little too much, but, and this is the key thing at least at a first glance from a few feet away anyone looking can tell 'yep its a girl'

You've probably got your first sale from me when that Arachnid girl comes up CH.

It's hilarious that people were complaining that the Female Farseer didn't have large enough breasts whereas people comment on the large breasts of the female "Stinging Arachnid" warrior.

Regardless, I love the sculpt. I am a huge fan of all Chapterhouse Eldar and Tyranid releases. They're both my armies and untapped potential for third party bits.

My only complaint is a personal one. I'm not a fan of armored units without helmets - human or elf. I even modeled my Rangers to not have unhelmeted heads.

Either way, it's good to have an auxillary model to augment my squads with wargear options that don't exist in the Codex.

Actually my complaint about the female farseer was I couldn't tell it was female, and already noted, I'd rather it was slighty over the top like this and obviously female, than unable to tell.

edit - in fact after a couple of checks, its not that bad anyways, its on par with the GW Banshees.

I really, really wish I could say the farseer was an awesome model but thats just not the case for me. If I cut it into 3 pieces... the head, the torso and the legs, each bit is averagely good. But not as female, seperately or as one piece. The proportions are almost painful to look at, when I look to buy a female model, especially a HQ choice, I want to go 'wow' thats incredible: not see that the legs are to short, the shoulders are completely too wide and even taking into consideration for shoulderpads and armour haven't been counter balanced with a wider hip area. Female models are all about hips and pose, to a lesser degree breasts (okay not that much lesser ): the farseer just doesn't tick all those boxes.

As for the scorpion; couldn't the farseer have those proportions at least? Its a much better model and I like it enough to say if I had an Eldar army she might just have a place in it.

MagickalMemories wrote:That's a LOT of boobage for an elf.

This is called "Heroic Scale", just wait for the human females
BTW nice new miniature!

Captain Jack wrote:Ok, I'm done. If you think my opinion is meer trolling then there is no point in posting. I will also leave this thought, if one company with no original ideas is allowed to poach ideas from another then what is stopping that company from cherry picking big sellers from others?

Just out of interest: Have you ever made a post not insulting others and thereby breaching forum rules?
Come on: Make a post without any insult! It doesn't hurt, really! Defeat the internet tourette syndrome!

these eldar items i would really buy, you posted other scorpion arms earlier, will it me a full configurable striking scorpion squad?(or another scorpion generic space elf name)

Tmonster

Kroothawk wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:That's a LOT of boobage for an elf.

This is called "Heroic Scale", just wait for the human females
BTW nice new miniature!

Captain Jack wrote:Ok, I'm done. If you think my opinion is meer trolling then there is no point in posting. I will also leave this thought, if one company with no original ideas is allowed to poach ideas from another then what is stopping that company from cherry picking big sellers from others?

Just out of interest: Have you ever made a post not insulting others and thereby breaching forum rules?
Come on: Make a post without any insult! It doesn't hurt, really! Defeat the internet tourette syndrome!

How about the post you've quoted?

ArbeitsSchu wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:That's a LOT of boobage for an elf.

This is called "Heroic Scale", just wait for the human females
BTW nice new miniature!

Captain Jack wrote:Ok, I'm done. If you think my opinion is meer trolling then there is no point in posting. I will also leave this thought, if one company with no original ideas is allowed to poach ideas from another then what is stopping that company from cherry picking big sellers from others?

Just out of interest: Have you ever made a post not insulting others and thereby breaching forum rules?
Come on: Make a post without any insult! It doesn't hurt, really! Defeat the internet tourette syndrome!

How about the post you've quoted?

IMHO, claiming that a company has "no original ideas" when it's patently not the case could be deemed to be insulting...particularly with sunshine's track record of posts. Probably what Kroot was getting at.

Oh, and on topic...love the female space elf - brilliant pose, good execution, and nicely over-the-top.

Padre^.

Padre wrote:

ArbeitsSchu wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:That's a LOT of boobage for an elf.

This is called "Heroic Scale", just wait for the human females
BTW nice new miniature!

Captain Jack wrote:Ok, I'm done. If you think my opinion is meer trolling then there is no point in posting. I will also leave this thought, if one company with no original ideas is allowed to poach ideas from another then what is stopping that company from cherry picking big sellers from others?

Just out of interest: Have you ever made a post not insulting others and thereby breaching forum rules?
Come on: Make a post without any insult! It doesn't hurt, really! Defeat the internet tourette syndrome!

How about the post you've quoted?

IMHO, claiming that a company has "no original ideas" when it's patently not the case could be deemed to be insulting...particularly with sunshine's track record of posts. Probably what Kroot was getting at.

Oh, and on topic...love the female space elf - brilliant pose, good execution, and nicely over-the-top.

Padre^.

Far from "Not the case", surely? Giving a Striking Scorpion breasts isn't exactly original as an idea. Making a Farseer that is a girl isn't either...even more so because such a beast already exists, and was posted earlier. It seems more insulting to expect that people take the knowing wink that is "slightly adjusting the name" as evidence that something is original and not just copying. calling something a "Not-Shuriken Pistol" does not make it any less a Shuriken Pistol.

I think I recognize the style of that sculpt. Was the sculptor by any chance a Brit?

R.

Good Lord...why couldn't the "not-Farseer" look awesome like the "not-Scorpion"?

terribletrygon wrote:I never was referring to DoW I's farseer.

I might be late to the thread, but terribletrygon was referring to this farseer, from DoW 2. Definitely much better than Taldeer.

Dear fans we appreciate and welcome all feed back to further improve Chapter House's product quality so we may continue to serve you well into the future and beyond.

Saying that, we have two different sculptors for the two minis. This is the first offering (impressive as it is) from Michio who frequents the site.

I also has this model looked at by another sculptor upon initial receipt, and he was able to point out some things I had not noticed and we were able to have Michio fix those as well. The end product is very nice and interesting.

If you do have any critiques on the model I am sure Michio will be reading them (so do be not-insulting).

This model will come with the multiple options I showed earlier. It will probably run in the 15-16$ price range due to the 6 different arms it comes with (and are great for conversion pieces as well).

Painted photos should be up soon. I dont know if this model will be on the site before I head out for vacation this saturday, if not then it will be soon after.

I appreciate the intelligent post and thank everyone for their contributions.

Nick - Chapterhouse Studios

Captain Jack wrote:one company with no original ideas

But enough about Games Workshop!

so this scorpion is someone's first offering !?... congrats on getting a fine sculptor.

okay that scorpion chick is awesome. the doomseer thing, well, couldnt they have made her/it more female looking?

I love the "Stining Arachnid", that's pretty awesome.

But are they going to be 16$ each for a single model?

if so, that's a bit much, even with the extra bits in each package.

I believe its supposed to be a chracter, ie exarch or autarch or summit, not a grunt.

Or at least i think thats the intention!!

Wow, the scorpionchick is in a whole other league than the crappy farseer!

Legs & arms are awesome,
Head is okay, I'll just model on a faceplate
Only the torso looks slightly off...

Not perfect, imho helmets are better for miniatures in 99% of cases, for faces are hit or miss. This one was almost good... Just slightly off (too small? Dunno).
The torso, dunno

I think I'll be getting one of those, if only for conversionbits (legs&arms are superb!)



Far better than the (really crappy) farseer, good job!


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Wow, the scorpionchick is in a whole other league than the crappy farseer!

Legs & arms are awesome,
Head is okay, I'll just model on a faceplate
Only the torso looks slightly off...

Not perfect, imho helmets are better for miniatures in 99% of cases, for faces are hit or miss. This one was almost good... Just slightly off (too small? Dunno).
The torso, dunno

I think I'll be getting one of those, if only for conversionbits (legs&arms are superb!)



Far better than the (really crappy) farseer, good job!

I feel vindicated now in wanting boobs for the farseer!

could you show us the scorpion with the not-biting blade and other arm options?

Here you go (wish me luck I just spent the last 2 hours trying my hand at the production mold, its my first time making a mold).

Captain Jack wrote:Biased stuff

I cant stress enough how fun it is to see your hypocracy fail in the serious CH lawsuit thread where real lawyers reside.
You see, your "opinion" on what is right or wrong is completely irrelevant. Now of and troll elsewhere with you.

Actually, it's just as relevant as anything else. You may not agree with Captain Jack but he wasn't trolling.

Hmm, insults in 9 posts out of 10 is not trolling?
Ok, I did not know that, you humbled me there.

I'm liking the stinging arachnid dominarch. I might have to get me one of those.

Chapterhouse wrote:Here you go (wish me luck I just spent the last 2 hours trying my hand at the production mold, its my first time making a mold).

Take my money
Shut up, take my money, chain that sculptor to his desk, make HIM do the female farseer, then make him do loads of other stuff

Considering the use of other scorpions and different torsi (guardians with filed off airvents?), this can make some awesome scorpions.


Thematically I adore how the sculpt manages to mesh both the "powerrangers/ninja-esque"style of the 2nd Generation Scorpions, with the Samurai-feel of the current ones.


Is there hope for other aspects being covered? Like Reapers, or: Firedragons, who imho had a lot of character in their last incarnation, while the current ones look very... Vanilla?

archont wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:Here you go (wish me luck I just spent the last 2 hours trying my hand at the production mold, its my first time making a mold).

Take my money
Shut up, take my money, chain that sculptor to his desk, make HIM do the female farseer, then make him do loads of other stuff

Considering the use of other scorpions and different torsi (guardians with filed off airvents?), this can make some awesome scorpions.


Thematically I adore how the sculpt manages to mesh both the "powerrangers/ninja-esque"style of the 2nd Generation Scorpions, with the Samurai-feel of the current ones.


Is there hope for other aspects being covered? Like Reapers, or: Firedragons, who imho had a lot of character in their last incarnation, while the current ones look very... Vanilla?

There is some quiet talk of a Manshee...

Yowza, that new mini looks awesome! The options are looking good too. I have no...elf armies, of any kind really, but I may just pick that up for funzies.

Chapterhouse wrote:There is some quiet talk of a Manshee...

Oh, I'm in for a Manshee (as long as he doesn't have too much of a girl's haircut!). Yep, I'll sign up for one of those to go with the Girling Scorpion or whatever you're calling her! Who's the sculptor?

I wasn't sure about the doomseer or the commissar, but the female elf warrior is a nice piece of work. It's a nice pose and really good detail.

I approve of the move away from GW IP by making the model without a helmet and therefore categorically not suitable for use as an aspect warrior.

Holdenstein wrote:I wasn't sure about the doomseer or the commissar, but the female elf warrior is a nice piece of work. It's a nice pose and really good detail.

I approve of the move away from GW IP by making the model without a helmet and therefore categorically not suitable for use as an aspect warrior.

I agree with this sentiment.

I wasn't a fan of the 'Doomseer' or Female Commisar's tbh, however I really like the look of the 'Arachnid' lady, it's a great pose with good details, options and feel to it. That's a quality piece IMHO.

I also approve of how you appear to be making it less obvious that they're from GW's IP/Universe. I accept and like that's what you're doing in your work, I'd just rather you didn't make it so obvious. Thats my opinion anyway. Great looking 'arachnid' however, I may invest in her if I ever kickstart my Eldar.

Chapterhouse wrote:Here you go (wish me luck I just spent the last 2 hours trying my hand at the production mold, its my first time making a mold).

Ok, I'm officially going to dust off my 3rd edition Eldar army and update the hell out of my striking scorpions. Keep this artist on Eldar and you'll take all of my money.

Oh, and about you taking my money, how's the Stormraven conversion coming along?

Garuss Acine wrote:

this is pure win, I will have to buy one >< hopefully she comes with different arm options. though I would love to see a squad of all females like this, just with different poses and helmet options. if you guys made a full 10 wo(man) squad, and sold it for about 10bucks more than the 5 man squad GW makes I'd be all over that, lol I'd more than likely buy more than I had a use for ><.

IMHO one of your best items to date, keep up the good work CH.
G.A.

That's a great pose. The head, while not perfect, is nonetheless one of the best you've done yet to date. I like the boob armor and I'm not afraid to admit it.

That lobster claw thing though is horrible and you should remove or change it.

ruyn wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:Here you go (wish me luck I just spent the last 2 hours trying my hand at the production mold, its my first time making a mold).

Ok, I'm officially going to dust off my 3rd edition Eldar army and update the hell out of my striking scorpions. Keep this artist on Eldar and you'll take all of my money.

Oh, and about you taking my money, how's the Stormraven conversion coming along?

It is in the molding companies hands, im hoping its ready for sales by the time I get back from vacation.

Just Dave wrote:

Holdenstein wrote:I wasn't sure about the doomseer or the commissar, but the female elf warrior is a nice piece of work. It's a nice pose and really good detail.

I approve of the move away from GW IP by making the model without a helmet and therefore categorically not suitable for use as an aspect warrior.

I agree with this sentiment.

I wasn't a fan of the 'Doomseer' or Female Commisar's tbh, however I really like the look of the 'Arachnid' lady, it's a great pose with good details, options and feel to it. That's a quality piece IMHO.

I also approve of how you appear to be making it less obvious that they're from GW's IP/Universe. I accept and like that's what you're doing in your work, I'd just rather you didn't make it so obvious. Thats my opinion anyway. Great looking 'arachnid' however, I may invest in her if I ever kickstart my Eldar.

Honestly I believe we shouldnt have to beat around the bush about what our customer base is and what we are selling, of course that is what the current issue for debate is and the professionals are on it.

Thanks for the kind words and Im sure Michio appreciates the comments.