After what seems like a crazy few years of releases, we are at a unique moment of GW history.

All the major codicies except for sisters have been re-released in hardback, 7th edition is less than a year old, WHFB is coming to an end as we know it, and it seems that for the first time we will be seeing a full AdMech release very soon. This leads me to consider what is left for GW to update/release and what the future holds. Without any obvious armies in need of an updated codex/units this is as good a time for wish-listing as any.

My question to you is: What kind of release would it take for you to make a major purchase of brand new GW releases?

I see a few obvious items that could generate a lot of excitement and profit for GW:

1) AdMech: It's almost officially confirmed at this point and I can't help feeling like a whole lot of people will be excited about this army! If they produce a big enough model range with a nice aesthetic, this could be one of their biggest hits so far.

2) Plastic Sisters: That most desired and sought after dream of many a wargamer, it seems to me a no-brainer that this release would make GW a whole lot of money. With a few troop boxes and a few characters these are high on my list of wants.

3) A new plastic Imperial Guard Force: (Vostroyans, Tallarn, or something new) When you consider that the only kits needed to build IG infantry are a troops box, a command squad box, and a heavy weapons box it seems very easy for GW to launch a whole new force. Add a supplement and fluff, maybe a special vehicle and with 4 boxes of new product yo will be selling Leman Russes, Chimeras, Vendettas, Sentinels and all the rest of the range as well. If there were ever a Vostroyan troop box I would not be able to hold myslef back from building a full plastic army if them.



Well that's my preference anyways, what are your most desired releases?

New resculpts and plastics of models that have existed for over 15 years a la bloodthirster

Eldar aspect warriors in plastic. All there is now is fine(oh the irony) cast of the old figs and not shelling out a penny for that.

1500 points of a combined-arms detachment legal army for under 300 bucks.

Anything more costly and I'll just stick to Dawn of War and playing the TT online.

Like I'm doing now.

New CSM stuff: new cult marines, new plastic clam packs, new codex and legion books, multi-part cultist box, etc etc etc

DA marines box like the new blood angels one. New DA codex more in line with the other 7th edition codecies.

New crisis suits. I'm on the verge of starting a tau army but I can't get over how these look. If they were to come out with better looking suits I'd start the army.

I think for people in general, seeing more non-Imperial terrain and creating xenos-specific buildings would be great. It also helps diversify the very bland Realm of Battleboard that is often plastered with sub-par Citadel scenery.

Another good one would be creating a proper alternative to the fugly Cadian and Catachan models with an IG greatcoat kit that can make Armaggedon Steel Legion with all the options that come to a guard squad (i.e. grenade launcher, flamer, sniper, plasma gun, etc.) so we don't have to scrounge other kits to just get special weapons.

Also a Black Templar supplement, if guys like Imperial Fists and Iron Hands get them then Black Templars out of anyone in the SM codex deserve it. I want my Holy Orbs of Antioch back dammit!

With regards to Orks, probably a Bad Moonz or Deff Skullz supplement, with the Bad Moonz release giving rules and a model (at long last) for Nazdreg. while the Deff Skullz release gives us a looted wagon sprue where we can use the bitz to add onto any existing vehicle to make it Orkified and count as looted. Also obviously update the actual Looted wagons rules to be useful in the supplement and provide its different variants.

For me, Imperial Knights are like that. Once I saw the model I knew I had to have any army of them.

Possibly for plastic Valhallans? Rebooted Necromunda with plastic figs?

Honestly, I have five full armies already, and don't plan to get into any others any time soon.

So I guess lower the price significantly, lol.

Or launch a new game.

New DA codex that actually stands up in terms of competitiveness and some new Daemon units.

A chaos space marines codex that is competitive.

Honestly I think it would come down to more than simple individual releases, though that would certainly be a solid start.

If they really wanna see me drop a lot of cash on them, I wanna see a major restructuring of their business model. Don't get me wrong, I collect and paint and play, and frankly I love the universe they've created. What they lack however is what keeps me from ever going "all in."

1. I'd need them to change the view of the company from that of a "collectors" company, over to that of a true "games" company.

2. I'd need to see a reinvestment of purpose towards communications and sales between themselves and third party retailers.

3. I'd need to see prices drop across the board. People say business can't be run this way. I can easily point out companies who have, such as Sony when they dropped the PS3 prices below that of their actual production costs. It took some years, but with a really intelligent business model, they not only succeeded in covering their costs, they walked away years later with hard profit and a fanbase firmly in love with them. While I am personally not the man to come up with or set in motion how this would be done, I have complete faith that "someone" could. There are plenty of people smarter than me.

4. I'd need to see the company take a firm look at the communities that love the games, take constructive feedback, and redevelop the ruleset to something that is somewhat more balanced, and somewhat more streamlined.

5. I'd need to see an honest set of timelines set up for the goals of bringing rules sets, armies and new fluff to the table. Right now, the company as a whole seems to be spread extremely thin in this regard. A rebalance of rules and armies would allow the company to focus more on special events and timeline in game moving forward, so getting the rebalance and armies on a set schedule would be extremely important.

6. I'd need to see a streamline of overall armies. Right now one of the major problems is also that there's so much out there for them to work on, that mainstream units don't get focused on at all for years at a time. What's been happening with the Sisters for instance, could easily happen to "any" army if it simply wasn't selling well enough. It's been shoved aside for years. There is no excuse for this. If certain groups were all placed in one codex instead of releasing continual small codex's for each separate small fluffy group, not only would customers not feel as "nickeled and dimed" it would also spread the rules for various small units around more to people who aren't likely to buy it as a separate item. Then more people might be open to picking up models they otherwise wouldn't have.

7. The rules themselves need to be available in cheaper ways. Softback copy is one way to go, but also, many other games groups simply make the rules sets free. Making players pay separate costs for rules to play with inhibits buying models. You want me to pay extra, make me buy "fluff" extra. If rules aren't available, I can't even begin to design the army I want to play with and hence, I'm certainly not buying models for it.

8. Reverse policy on the sales of specific models using your website only. I'm more than happy to support companies I like. Many customers are. Models have been removed from shelves locally to sell only on the website, and while this certainly prevents the shipping costs of keeping shelves fully stocked the world over, it also inhibits the sales you would make with customers who are impulse buyers. Also, while keeping shelves fully stocked is expensive when you have so many stores to supply, were the armies more streamlined, the products would take up less of an overall physical footprint.

I don't actually expect GW to do any of these things to be perfectly honest. But their business model now has been in a perpetual downward spiral for years. More an more customers go elsewhere as they get fed up, and fewer new customers enter the market. When the new model was announced of more collectible sets coming out in future, I actually feel this was a good way to get people buying new models, but at the speed GW does business, I'm not expecting you'll see true results quickly. I continue to buy their models, their games, their fluff, and their peripherals. This is partially because I am a sucker, and i continue to love their universe. In that regard though, I buy only a little bit every now and again.

If they truly wanted me to drop wads of cash on them though... these are the things I would want to see. It won't happen though. I don't actually mean for this to come across as nothing but "beef," but again my point is really that I want the company to change some even if not in every way. Then my wallet would open real fast.

For me its-
Plastic Valhallans
Astra Militarum Regiments supplements (Catachan, Steel Legion, Valhallan, etc.)
Adeptus Mechanicus stuff (as was mentioned)

A plastic harlequin release as a full army.

Whoops that just already happened.

I know some 2nd edition Harlequin players are happy they can use all their old models.

Cheaper models and some proof that they're not just money sucking everybody who wants to buy from them.

Seriously, I've been wanting to start Dark Eldar since January and haven't solely because I can't afford to drop several hundred dollars for the 1500 point list I want. Forget buying grots or court models, I'd rather make them from scratch.

 Phyrekzhogos wrote:
I don't actually expect GW to do any of these things to be perfectly honest. But their business model now has been in a perpetual downward spiral for years. More an more customers go elsewhere as they get fed up, and fewer new customers enter the market.

Continually bad decision making is usually the fault of entrenched managment. On the positive side though, the worse things become, the more likely they will eventually be unable to stand behind poor decision making.

Great post BTW. GW's community engagement is very poor as well, I think this is another failure on their part. They could learn a lot from a company like Blizzard or Riot Games about trying to keep their fans invested in the product -- online games are far more fickle and difficult to keep around than tabletop gamers.

 Phyrekzhogos wrote:


3. I'd need to see prices drop across the board. People say business can't be run this way. I can easily point out companies who have, such as Sony when they dropped the PS3 prices below that of their actual production costs. It took some years, but with a really intelligent business model, they not only succeeded in covering their costs, they walked away years later with hard profit and a fanbase firmly in love with them. While I am personally not the man to come up with or set in motion how this would be done, I have complete faith that "someone" could. There are plenty of people smarter than me.

All gaming consoles are typically sold as a loss leader. it's common, the thing is that they did this and made their money on the games. so the question is... what exactly would you sell cheap and where would you expect them to make the money back from? especially as you mention making the rules for free elsewhere.

BrianDavion wrote:

All gaming consoles are typically sold as a loss leader. it's common, the thing is that they did this and made their money on the games. so the question is... what exactly would you sell cheap and where would you expect them to make the money back from? especially as you mention making the rules for free elsewhere.

Core troops choices and DTs.

You can make it back on the HQs and flashy support units people want once they become more invested in the game,

Ebay crashing and going out of business. Even then...

Lower the MSRP of all their models by 30%. That way I actually feel like I'm getting some value for my hard earned money.

Plastic Warhound Titan.

Not that it would make sense or be practical, but i'd have to buy two irrespective of cost.

I know it's not technically GW, but FW are doing this for me with the 'Ordinatus' and Imperial Knights.

BrianDavion wrote:


All gaming consoles are typically sold as a loss leader. it's common, the thing is that they did this and made their money on the games. so the question is... what exactly would you sell cheap and where would you expect them to make the money back from? especially as you mention making the rules for free elsewhere.

While I realize the two mediums are very different, I mention it more to illustrate that other companies find ways to manage their products in imaginative ways. I mention making rules free because it directly leads to my purchasing decisions regarding models. I'm collecting models right now for instance, some DA in fact. Given that I don't have the codex yet, I'm not about to simply go buy expensive units without knowing what they all do yet. I can make some few assumptions based on previous experience, but what if I was a new player? What if I'm a player who doesn't look things up on the internet? With access to the rules prior to purchase, then I can see which units I like best, or how I want to build my army. Now I'm getting excited to buy. Next I'm getting invested. Next I'm spending money. I certainly cannot vouch for others, but when I am invested in something, I also like having extras. At that point I'm buying extras in the form of fluff as well. If I was new, knew nothing of the rules, but see those large price tags, those are barriers to entry, and may make me turn away. I don't really think anyone wants that honestly. More people interested in entering into the hobby is important. The fewer barriers to entry there are, the more welcoming the hobby seems as well.

I also mention I am not the guy who is genius enough to come up with their marketing strategy however. In fact I very much doubt anyone without insider knowledge of their company could begin to be. That does not change my belief however that there must be someone out there who actually could come up with a working formula for them. I think discourse and the spread of ideas is a good start at least, but like I said, there are other more qualified people who could probably come up with better ideas than I ever could. And even then, they'd have to be managed into a plan that upper management in GW could be convinced would work. That's probably a hard sell.

In any event, I'd love seeing some change. I'll keep buying their products too. I want them to succeed. My wallet just won't magically spring open.

 Januine wrote:
Eldar aspect warriors in plastic. All there is now is fine(oh the irony) cast of the old figs and not shelling out a penny for that.

This, especially the warp spiders.

 Grey Templar wrote:
For me, Imperial Knights are like that. Once I saw the model I knew I had to have any army of them.

Same here. And then after I had an army of them, Forge World released theirs...

A customizable Inquisitor kit like the Space Marine commander box.

To be honest. Nothing. At best GW can get me to buy new rules and start playing again if they improve the game. But nothing is going to get me to dump a lot of money on models because I already have armies and am not motivated to start another 40k army when there's other games I could collect instead.

At least in the context of 40k.

They could get me to dump money on them if they released Epic, GorkaMorka, Warmaster and Aeronautica Imperialis again.

Yeah, getting me to spend money on GW stuff again would require a new edition with functional, complete rules, and a return to more reasonably priced, softcover codexes.

There are plenty of models that I would love to buy, but without the lure of the game to make buying those models worthwhile, my hobby budget currently goes to all those other companies that are also making models that I want to buy.

AdMech.
Deathwatch.
Genestealer Cults.

Three things that have been rumoured.

It's not fair...




That said, a new lease on life for Necromunda or Warhammer Quest would also do.

If they did something similar to Steam's "Steam Sales"...
Not a price complaint or anything, but I just feel I'd end up spending way more if they did that....

I'm sure a few of you know what I mean.


I'm not saying as often, just once or twice a year. A lot more people would probably start up into the hobby that way, too.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
A customizable Inquisitor kit like the Space Marine commander box.

Why have I never heard this perfect and amazing suggestion before?

Well, I'd never give money direct to GW, not when I can get it cheaper from Wayland, Darksphere or Element.

However, the things that would get me to buy a bunch of GW products (as opposed to splitting limited funds between GW, Malifaux, Infinity, Deadzone and misc stuff). All of this is assuming that the kits are quality and the prices post-discount aren't insane:

30K plastic kits. Just a Tactical Squad or two, to bulk out my Anvil HH minis.

The Harlies did rather spectacularly leapfrog my to-buy queue. I only bought one box, but that's still more than I was planning on spending on GW over others.

Possibly some Ad Mech, depending on style and how much I'd need for a decent force.

Most of all, although least likely given the precendent: plastic, varied and reasonably priced The Hobbit minis. From the last film, we're still missing Iron Hills Dwarves, Mirkwood Elves, Gundabad Orcs and a handful of other stuff.

Kroot Mercenaries!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Deathwatch.

It's not fair...

This. This has my vote.

Additionally: Thousand Sons (both GW and Forgeworld)

A new starter/2 player set without featuring anything related to the IMPERIUM OF MAN at all

A full on Adepta Sororitas update with a new proper codex and new plastic models. A squad which can be made into battle sisters,dominions etc and new Seraphim. New Cannoness maybe even a new model for Saint Celestine i think they could make her look amazing now befitting her status as a saint.

Also would love a campaign supplement involving Asdrubael Vect with a new model for him and updated rules. Also including rule tweaks for other Dark Eldar units like Wyches to make them more useful again. Some tweaks to Vect partner in crime Lelith Hesperax would be good too in the fluff she's such a badass but her rules give her a lack of options and influence on the table. She's supposed to be this character everyone loves and fights over having her in their raid so maybe they could add some buffs to nearby units who can fight near her. Mostly I'd just like Vect back but they could pull off a really cool campaign too. Actually make the campaign opposites Adepta Sororitas and i will never have money again XD.

A working ruleset.

They can live up in their ivory tower for all I care, but give me a ruleset which isn't hot gak, or boxed cancer and I would be willing to buy GW product again.

Granted, that will likely only happen if they come down from their ivory tower, thus it will never happen with the current management.

As for models?

Truth be told there is little in the current GW model range which I really want, but some resculpted Cadians would be very nice. Sontarans are better proportioned.

1: Bring back other games in the universe. I already have seven 40k armies, I have no interest buying anything other than the occasional single purchase of a squad or vehicle. But I would love to be able to buy Epic or BFG again, or something similar that allows me to enjoy the universe.

2: A better business model when it comes to prices. This practice of ever increasing prices is absolutely ludicrous. 30 dollar monopose characters, Finecast costing more than other companies metal models, when the change to Finecast was supposed to be driven by high metal prices. More and more giant 70 dollar kits. Halving squad boxes but keeping the prices the same is a 100% price hike? What the hell is up with this company?

3: Stop giving me a patched-together dinosaur of a ruleset, bloated with tons of tacked on special rules for everything, if you want me to play with the 'best models on Earth'.

I want to feel like GW wants my business, but right now it feels like they think they deserve my business and I should be happy with what they throw at me.

I am a 20 year customer of GW, and right now they just make me sad and nostalgic for years past.

And yeah. Let me play my Kroot Mercs and 13th Company again. When I spend hundreds of dollars on an army, I don't want to hear that later I can't play with them any more. Yes, I will feel for the Warhammer players this summer. Sorry, guys....

As far as classic games I'd love for them to bring back Necromunda and Warhammer Quest. Necromunda especially was a cool idea and i liked the cyberpunk aesthetic collecting all the gangs. It was released with a bunch of gang squad boxes then an expansion and supplement came and it just vanished shortly after. I liked some of their skirmish and board game releases they were fun to play on a night where you didn't want to set up a huge game that takes forever just to get started. They did Space Hulk so i have hope they might do some special release of other games.

If I felt like warhammer was more supported with events, tournaments, and greater care in game balance similar to say, magic the gathering, I'd be a lot more in it as far as the wallet goes.

Give me back my beloved Battlefleet Gothic you heartless swines and Epic (Space Marine)...wait, Mordheim as well!

multi-kits and Horus heresy My wife would hate.
Sisters, Squats and deathwatch I'll Take 8!

 Hive City Dweller wrote:
Plastic Sisters: That most desired and sought after dream of many a wargamer, it seems to me a no-brainer that this release would make GW a whole lot of money. With a few troop boxes and a few characters these are high on my list of wants.

I couldn't agree more. :-)

Ork plastic kits.

Plastic sisters of battle.

A Black Templars supplement.

Re-done crisis suits would be great, the current models are really showing there age. I wouldn't mind them re-doing FWs as well.

Re-Release and keep supporting Epic and Gothic.

I would probably jump on a 6mm fantasy battle game. Warmaster with plastics would be okay.

The only money that I've dropped on models in the past year has been on Revell aircraft that I tried to convert for 40k and about $70 on Dreamforge/Wargames Factory.

There's no reason to shell out $35 for 10 guardsmen when I can get 30 Russian soldiers or 20 Eisenkern Stormtroopers for the same price and quality. No one in my gaming group has any problem with those stand-ins and I have more than enough bits to add some 40k flavor.

Same is true for paints, I'm getting 8x as much paint for the price buying store-brand acrylics. If I were hardcore I could still get a deal on model paints at 2x, but I'm fine with the stuff I've got.

As for books, they'd have to end the crazy rules bloat, get some decent internal balance, and slash the price by 30%. I've got some old 3rd edition codices and every page is interesting, exciting, or has paint/modelling tips. All in about 60 pages. Trying to read through the new codices, they're bloated with arcane rules and fluff that is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. They just kept cramming in more and more and no one bothered to edit out the trash.

I honestly think a lot of the new models look fantastic. The new Tyranids and Dark Eldar look amazing. The new Space Wolves look goofy, but whatever. A new look on some of the IG tanks would be welcome, but I've got enough tanks for now. So what would it take to make me say "shut up and take my money"? It would take an across the board 30% price cut. More than once I've convinced myself to buy something, gone to the store, held the box in my hand, looked at the price, and just couldn't bring myself to buy it. I've found great deals from stand-ins and old models, no amount of new releases could get me to shell out until their prices are competitive.

TLDR: 30% price cut.

/rant

Addendum: or a new Mordheim/Necromunda/BFG release.

Reboot of Necromunda or Warhammer Quest would have me throwing money at them.

A 28mm inquisitor style game would too.

Plastic Sisters would probably see me start 40K again.

Odds and ends miniatures:
Hab complex buildings.
General citizens miniatures.
Administration menial.
Arbites vehicles, troops.
An equivalent of a bus... hehe...
To flesh out engagements, innocent bystander stats and rules.
It would round out many possible scenarios people would want to play.

A good, solid, CSM book in the vein of the current Space Marine codex, with solid Legion traits and less of the "random because CHAOS" and WHFB importations would be one.

I second a Templars Supplement. That would kick start some other purchases too, no doubt.

I also second non-imperial terrain. There's so much of the 40k universe that hasn't been represented yet (ork war camps, eldar craft worlds, death worlds). A good battle mat would be great too. I'm not going to pay hundreds of pounds for that realm if battle stuff.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
1500 points of a combined-arms detachment legal army for under 300 bucks.

Anything more costly and I'll just stick to Dawn of War and playing the TT online.

Like I'm doing now.

Step 1: Buy Dark Vengeance box.

Step 2: Mix and match bitz so that the Dark Angels become "Fallen Angels".

Step 3: Add a few units to taste. You'll still be under $300.

Step 4: ???

Step 5: PROFIT.

There's several GW kits that I'd love to get my hands on. I have my hands in 9 armies (variant of Ultramarines, Grey Knights, Imperial Guard, Tyranids, Necrons, Eldar, Tau, Orks and Chaos Marines for my son). I've been collecting Space Marines since Rogue Trader, started picking the Tau up in 4th ed and the rest in 5th. The last thing I picked up was an Imperial Knight. But until they drop their prices 50-60% of the ludicrous hike they've sent them to, I won't be buying anything ever again.

The new Necron codex has already done that.


A Silent King Supplement and model would also have the same outcome.

#1. Lower prices, maybe have a high (current) price release period centered on paying for the molds, then lower it once they pay for the mold - maybe number each kit and give the customer a nice thankyou note for supporting the new range, that way the collectors get what they want, and the rest of us get a break.

#2. New plastic IG, seriously we (IG players) all thought we would get a new line of infantry this edition, not the Tonka special and a nerfed Hydra

#3. Plastic sisters - with allied detachments they go from being a cool army to a cool army most of us could afford to tack on for big games.

New DKoK Grenadiers? No reason to reboot the kit, but I'd get it in a heartbeat.

Black Templars Space Marine supplement. Bive me back my Holy Hand Grenade!

 kronk wrote:
Black Templars Space Marine supplement. Bive me back my Holy Hand Grenade!

Obviously you used it up. There is only 1 remember.

Terrain sets that are not imperial

Plastic Sslyth, and Grotesques. Which doesn't seem so outlandish, the Sslyth have been out of stock for months and an email to Geedubs has revealed they have no restock date. Maybe a sign of things to come whenever DE get a random model drop.

Yeah Imperial terrain is way overdone, and one of the reasons it should be outlawed to take things like the Aegis. Having other factions get terrain choices that fit their army would be big.

1. Hurd/ Space Skaven for 40K

2. Sisters getting an official dex and new kits

3. Chaos Space Marines getting a book that didn't suck.(Also drop the name Helbrute. It's a Chaos Dreadnought. Seriously.) But yeah, that 3.5 dex? And I have it with the cool chaos dinobots added in too?

4. Unlikely as the Browns winning a Super Bowl, but a furry/cat race a la Kilrathi or Kzinti for 40K. That I'd plop down every model I have in my GW collection to get.

More reboots than windows me.

Probably in the shape of sisters. then rebooting to 8th or 9th by then

they dont need to worry so much as long as there rules are gak so they can keep "balancing" them.

As I am primarily a player , rather than just a collector.
I would like lots more focus on clearly defined rules that deliver straightforward but tactically complex game play.
(Eg like the other game companies currently deliver.)

The cool models would be more appealing to players if they had more incentive to put them on a games table. rather than just collecting dust on a shelf.IMO.

gealgain wrote:
Terrain sets that are not imperial

Yes I agree! Why oh why don't they make more terrain? If they claim to be a model company there is the chance! I would love some more varied locations that are not your devastate Gothic city ruin.

Also with all the people looking for sister plastics, what on earth could be holding them back? Instead of the next gak release of offshoot supplement models, release 4 boxes of multibuild sisters stuff and watch your profits soar... I don't think I understand their business plan.

I'm pretty much done buying Models, but a new Chaos Flyer would take my money.

I still buy Codexes though, so any new Chaos Supplement would definitely be pre-ordered no hesitation.

At this point, I don't think there's anything that GW could produce that would get me to fork over large sums of money. I have zero faith, absolutely none, that their game will ever approach a state that could be called "balanced". It simply not in their design philosophy for the way most people play games.

They just got me with the Harlequins. Plastic Heresy minis would be troublesome.

Cheaper prices for codexes and plastic miniatures, i like the imperial knights but for that money i can get a high grade full posable multi colored plastic kit in Japan.

Reduce MSRP on all products by 50%. As someone who just got into this hobby ~2 years ago, I have to say the bar is set incredibly high for new players. I will not pay $35 for a single HQ model. I will be perfectly happy to spend that same $35 on second-hand minis on ebay, and get a lot more for my money. As for what models I would actually buy if they magically appeared: updated Mad Doc Grotsnik, Wierdboy, Deffkoptas, and Ork Buggies.

Adeptus Mechanicus Codex (HH doesn't count).
New Daemon lord of war rules so I can actually use them in non-Apoc games.
Bloodthirster updated so it doesn't take 3+ turns to get to combat.
The Warpflame rule to be FAQ'd out, burned, and buried forever.

New Dark Angels codex / campaign!

 The Internet is for Khorn wrote:
Adeptus Mechanicus Codex (HH doesn't count).
.

that's apparently coming... my poor poor wallet

BrianDavion wrote:

 The Internet is for Khorn wrote:
Adeptus Mechanicus Codex (HH doesn't count).
.

that's apparently coming... my poor poor wallet

as early as next week if some are to be believed

http://www.spikeybitsblog.com/2015/03/omnissiah-ad-mech-releasing-next-week.html



*The binary translates as "All Hail Mars"

 Januine wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 The Internet is for Khorn wrote:
Adeptus Mechanicus Codex (HH doesn't count).
.

that's apparently coming... my poor poor wallet

as early as next week if some are to be believed

http://www.spikeybitsblog.com/2015/03/omnissiah-ad-mech-releasing-next-week.html



*The binary translates as "All Hail Mars"

my local GW's holding a store birthday party on saturday so I was planning on swinging by saturday anyway so I'm eager to use the excuse to snag a white dwarf

1. Jervis et al to realise the majority of people don't play the way they do, and join the 21st Century instead of being stuck in 80's D&D rulesets

2. Release a 40k skirmish ruleset with tightly written rules. Engage with the player base on it.

3. Keep the current 40k for those that like it, and re-name it something else. Maybe "Apocalypse" ?

Release a new game?

An apology.

A new IG regiment would probably get me. Something that didn't look borderline absurd (Cadians are alright... Catachans are just outdated) or what I would really like to see would be a renegades box set.

I would say a Chaos Gunship, but I just dropped the $180 USD to order a Fire Raptor from FW...

For a long while I thought I'd buy plastic sisters if they ever came out. Now I could care less.
The rules would be frustratingly bad.
I'd be supporting a company that I don't believe deserves my support.

So, to answer the OP: nothing.

I'm going to second the "skirmish" 40k idea :-)

Specifically: I would like one with large amounts of cool character ideas/options and a focus on options throughout your turns.

Barring that: give us ways to deck out our existing HQ characters and add more "player designed" characters (wargear, ect) and you totally have all my monies!

Forge World sold stateside for American currency. Buying online with no possibility of hands on the product beforehand, getting inflated shipping costs and/or time, it's not an easy hurdle. Some heads end up costing as much as a box of Sanguinary Guard. I'm sorry, I'd rather have the Sanguinary Guard.

And if they brought back the old OOP product line, buying old stock or reprinted runs of classic models, I'd buy up a bunch of those in a heartbeat. They used to have a section of the online store for that. Priced very well too.

These guys being introduced to the setting as a new Xenos race! (Technically they are already here but, you know what I mean. I'd also just love a new Xenos race in general.) By that I mean, based on that art. Not Skaven in space...

Alternatively, if they shifted the spotlight from the UM to a newer chapter?

*See's the Blood Tithe rules for Chaos*

Start doing more of that! It's like they finally realize Chaos Marines aren't blander Space Marines.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
*See's the Blood Tithe rules for Chaos*

Start doing more of that! It's like they finally realize Chaos Marines aren't blander Space Marines.

crikey - last thing I'd ever associate with Chaos is blandness!! Some of the loyalist chapters.........sure!

 Januine wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
*See's the Blood Tithe rules for Chaos*

Start doing more of that! It's like they finally realize Chaos Marines aren't blander Space Marines.

crikey - last thing I'd ever associate with Chaos is blandness!! Some of the loyalist chapters.........sure!

4th/6th edition Chaos Marines says otherwise, the units are blander then SM with Chapter tactics!

I was meaning more fluff/'verse wise. I only paint, model and read. Never really been much into the playing

 Januine wrote:
I was meaning more fluff/'verse wise. I only paint, model and read. Never really been much into the playing

That certainly does explain that view.

If they come with a Tzeentch book that lets me field Tzeentch CSM and Daemons with better rules (Tzeentch Daemons are ok, CSM not).

I think I would die of happyness.

A reboot of Necromunda or Battlefleet Gothic.

The tie-in between Battlefleet Gothic and 40K is so painfully obvious it almost goes without saying. Anyone who wants to run a large-scale campaign probably aspires to have some kind of starfleet action as part of the game.

As far as Necromunda goes, it's a skirmish sized game requiring a limited number of models. The opportunities for new factions (gangs) are practically endless, and the amount of detail and model/unit development and customization you can get to at that scale appeals to me as a modeler/painter as well as a gamer.

For that matter I'd like to see a reboot of the kill team rules.

I'd pay cash money to field plastic AdMech and Sisters too.

My two teef.

The things that would make me go bonkers and buy multiple boxes of would be:

- New freaking Eldar models -- That would be a good way of getting me to blow a quick thousand bucks. Some of the models are so dated that it's not funny.

- Plastic Sisters!!
- Plastic Inquisition!!!
- More Imperial Knights -- convert some FW stuff to plastic kits, please.
- More Tau stuff
- Any Space Marine chapter release



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 Phyrekzhogos wrote:

3. I'd need to see prices drop across the board. People say business can't be run this way. I can easily point out companies who have, such as Sony when they dropped the PS3 prices below that of their actual production costs. It took some years, but with a really intelligent business model, they not only succeeded in covering their costs, they walked away years later with hard profit and a fanbase firmly in love with them. While I am personally not the man to come up with or set in motion how this would be done, I have complete faith that "someone" could. There are plenty of people smarter than me.

@Phyrekzhogos - I agree with a lot of things you say as things that would improve GW as a company, but I think Sony would be a terrible company for GW to model their business practices after. Sony has lost money on many recent fiscal quarters, is overpriced relative to competitors, and has few true standout products. The PS3 is also not a good comparison, as all of the profit is made on online services and the games afterwards (which are a huge markup). It would be like selling rules cheaply knowing that people will need to buy more models every month or two (or more frequently).

 Talys wrote:

@Phyrekzhogos - I agree with a lot of things you say as things that would improve GW as a company, but I think Sony would be a terrible company for GW to model their business practices after. Sony has lost money on many recent fiscal quarters, is overpriced relative to competitors, and has few true standout products. The PS3 is also not a good comparison, as all of the profit is made on online services and the games afterwards (which are a huge markup). It would be like selling rules cheaply knowing that people will need to buy more models every month or two (or more frequently).

I don't disagree with you at all. I only used them there as the first company I could think of off the top of my head in illustrating that many companies leverage sales of their products using imaginative and often far reaching business practices that serve as a balancing act to bring in their profits. Offsetting their costs for the consoles by using game sales and peripherals is exactly what Sony did, and while they did go through a period where the idea looked crazy back when they originally sold the PS3, they eventually made it up and steamrolled forward with a pretty staunch customer base. Not only that, they very specifically backed Blu-ray as the product more people had access to using their consoles, and helped defeat the HD player. I actually consider this very prudent on their part as their Blu-ray division stood to make plenty of money moving forward. Where they stand currently is definitely a little different at this point however.

While the two companies are very different mediums, and whether Sony is a reasonable comparison or not though, I basically feel like there has to be some method of thinking outside of the box that GW could utilize to profit and move forward. I'd love to see what a business guru, someone like Mark Cuban could do with their company, and what sorts of plans they could lay to reinvigorate their market. I am definitely not the guy to come up with anything, but I have to believe "someone" out there could. It's really interesting stuff for me to watch

A model of Tom Kirby with removalable head that can fit up it's ass.

I would spend money for that.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
An apology.

Have an exalt and a 'second'!

 Phyrekzhogos wrote:
I basically feel like there has to be some method of thinking outside of the box that GW could utilize to profit and move forward. I'd love to see what a business guru, someone like Mark Cuban could do with their company, and what sorts of plans they could lay to reinvigorate their market. I am definitely not the guy to come up with anything, but I have to believe "someone" out there could. It's really interesting stuff for me to watch

Aye This is why the right CEO is worth a ridiculous amount of money. The problem with companies is that they pay ridiculous amounts of money for the WRONG CEO too.

Heresy/crusade era plastics, rouboute guilliman, and maybe a plastic space marine supper heavy. Preferably a typhon or a felblade.

2/3 are already set to be real. So my wallet Is ready.

Plastic sisters.

 Talys wrote:

 Phyrekzhogos wrote:
I basically feel like there has to be some method of thinking outside of the box that GW could utilize to profit and move forward. I'd love to see what a business guru, someone like Mark Cuban could do with their company, and what sorts of plans they could lay to reinvigorate their market. I am definitely not the guy to come up with anything, but I have to believe "someone" out there could. It's really interesting stuff for me to watch

Aye This is why the right CEO is worth a ridiculous amount of money. The problem with companies is that they pay ridiculous amounts of money for the WRONG CEO too.

thing about outside the box thinking is...

I'm not sure GW can make much more money with table top minis. fact of the matter is wargames are simply a contracting market. honestly the best way to make GW lots of money would proably be "whore out the IP to everyone intreasted in it"

30k plastics, good Sisters plastics, a 9e WHFB that works well.

BrianDavion wrote:

I'm not sure GW can make much more money with table top minis. fact of the matter is wargames are simply a contracting market. honestly the best way to make GW lots of money would proably be "whore out the IP to everyone intreasted in it"

I've said this before, too, but some people vehemently disagreed, saying that tabletop wargames are a growing industry. From what I know through local independent stores in my area, wargames and miniature hobbies are not growing in terms of gross sales dollars or net profits. There are just too many other things to take money from the same target audience (console games, PC games, tabletop card games, etc.), and miniatures/wargames are not only one of the most expensive forms of entertainment for this audience, but also one of the least flexible on the gaming aspect.

I agree with you that licensing the IP is a great path, but I think the way GW had done it is not effective. I think that 40k has as much potential as the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but it's been squandered on relatively weak computer and tablet games, and a bad animated feature that just repeats, "And we shall know no fear!". If they could put together movies of the quality of Guardians of the Galaxy, and animated series the quality of Clone Wars, there would be no end to the potential revenue stream.

 Talys wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

I'm not sure GW can make much more money with table top minis. fact of the matter is wargames are simply a contracting market. honestly the best way to make GW lots of money would proably be "whore out the IP to everyone intreasted in it"

I've said this before, too, but some people vehemently disagreed, saying that tabletop wargames are a growing industry. From what I know through local independent stores in my area, wargames and miniature hobbies are not growing in terms of gross sales dollars or net profits. There are just too many other things to take money from the same target audience (console games, PC games, tabletop card games, etc.), and miniatures/wargames are not only one of the most expensive forms of entertainment for this audience, but also one of the least flexible on the gaming aspect.

I agree with you that licensing the IP is a great path, but I think the way GW had done it is not effective. I think that 40k has as much potential as the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but it's been squandered on relatively weak computer and tablet games, and a bad animated feature that just repeats, "And we shall know no fear!". If they could put together movies of the quality of Guardians of the Galaxy, and animated series the quality of Clone Wars, there would be no end to the potential revenue stream.

I have 3 local gaming stories in my city (1 of which is a GW store) only 2 (including the GW store) even carry any table top war games. one of them carries almost exclusivly RPGs and CCGs. and it's obvious the CCG is where the money is

One of the draws with CCGs, which GW could emulate if they wanted to, is the low buy-in price and ability to pick up and play quickly.

That requires a good ruleset with a particular emphasis on ease of stating a game, less rolling 10,000 things pre-game, and a pricing model which isn't pants-on-heads slowed. If they actually wanted to succeed as a game they could, and due to the power of economies of sale, they could massively undercut their growing competition, especially if they could start using their IP intelligently to draw in more people.

Dawn of War gets people excited, tablet reskins of mediocre games do not.

That, however, is all at odds with their current strategy of "collectible" products first and foremost; high prices, small production runs, all focused on reducing overheard and maximizing profit per product. That's not the action of a company which wants to expand or really compete, but is quite happy generating a nice little, if slowly decreasing revenue stream and funnel it into shareholders.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
1500 points of a combined-arms detachment legal army for under 300 bucks.

Anything more costly and I'll just stick to Dawn of War and playing the TT online.

Like I'm doing now.

How does one play 40k TT online?


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 Grey Templar wrote:
For me, Imperial Knights are like that. Once I saw the model I knew I had to have any army of them.

Same here. And then after I had an army of them, Forge World released theirs...

Don't feel bad - paladin is still the best knight on the TT and you paid 1/3 the cost. IMO you win.

BrianDavion wrote:

thing about outside the box thinking is...

I'm not sure GW can make much more money with table top minis. fact of the matter is wargames are simply a contracting market. honestly the best way to make GW lots of money would proably be "whore out the IP to everyone intreasted in it"

An entirely valid point. I do worry about them sharing their IP out though without actually watching what other companies do with it. A couple of months ago on the Co-Optional Podcast, Totalbiscuit mentioned something about GW recently opening up their IP for sale to over 30 different small video gaming companies. Many of those are currently unfinished products, but at least a few have come out for mobile devices and generally been absolutely abysmally terrible. I worry that that could actually hurt their IP more than help. I think they need to be much much more structurally involved when they do something like that. To be fair though, at least one strategy game came of that endeavor that's actually pretty good. (Warhammer 40k: Armageddon)


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BrianDavion wrote:



I have 3 local gaming stories in my city (1 of which is a GW store) only 2 (including the GW store) even carry any table top war games. one of them carries almost exclusivly RPGs and CCGs. and it's obvious the CCG is where the money is

Speaking of: That's not a bad idea. What would you think of GW releasing a card game based on their IP? They certainly have enough fluff, characters and background for it.

Speaking of: That's not a bad idea. What would you think of GW releasing a card game based on their IP? They certainly have enough fluff, characters and background for it.

I'd not play a 40k CCG, but I'd definatly support the idea.

that raises a differnt point altogether now that I think of it though.

I play the 40k RPGs. they're wonderful products and even if you don't wanna play em they're fun to read through for info about the setting. but.... I can't go to the local games workshop store and buy it. I have to go to the other gaming store in town (in my case conveniantly across the street.) thing is... this is proably bad for GW, as it reduces the cross over of these games. GW should proably start selling FFG's 40k products in their stores. doesn't have to be a whole loit, just carry the core books and allow the oppertunity to order more. it's a good way to get cross over support. hell How easy would it be to have someone come in to buy deathwatch, and leave the store with the RPG and a box of tatical marines to use with the RPG.

GW needs to work more closely with their lisencees.

 Xenomancers wrote:
How does one play 40k TT online?

Vassal.

BrianDavion wrote:

Speaking of: That's not a bad idea. What would you think of GW releasing a card game based on their IP? They certainly have enough fluff, characters and background for it.

I'd not play a 40k CCG, but I'd definatly support the idea.

that raises a differnt point altogether now that I think of it though.

I play the 40k RPGs. they're wonderful products and even if you don't wanna play em they're fun to read through for info about the setting. but.... I can't go to the local games workshop store and buy it. I have to go to the other gaming store in town (in my case conveniantly across the street.) thing is... this is proably bad for GW, as it reduces the cross over of these games. GW should proably start selling FFG's 40k products in their stores. doesn't have to be a whole loit, just carry the core books and allow the oppertunity to order more. it's a good way to get cross over support. hell How easy would it be to have someone come in to buy deathwatch, and leave the store with the RPG and a box of tatical marines to use with the RPG.

GW needs to work more closely with their lisencees.

Actually, there is a card game, made by FFG. They do that and all the RPGs.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:


Actually, there is a card game, made by FFG. They do that and all the RPGs.

That's kinda crazy. I've never even seen the card game anywhere. That's kinda sad, 'cause I'd probably have impulse bought it.

 Phyrekzhogos wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:


Actually, there is a card game, made by FFG. They do that and all the RPGs.

That's kinda crazy. I've never even seen the card game anywhere. That's kinda sad, 'cause I'd probably have impulse bought it.

I think it might only be available online.

You can find it here.

 Hive City Dweller wrote:
My question to you is: What kind of release would it take for you to make a major purchase of brand new GW releases?

Well that's my preference anyways, what are your most desired releases?

When I look at what I currently own, there really isn't much of anything GW can do to get me to buy any more stuff - I'm still working on finishing what I currently own. But good news, I am knocking down a Shadowsword, so that's progress.

At this point, I'm only buying games in a box (or boxes), which looks an awful lot like a Kickstarted miniatures board game of some sort. And wow, do I have a lot of that stuff inbound this year.

It's safe to say that I'm "post-GW" from a buying standpoint. I might pick up rules, Codex, maybe something interesting. But otherwise, I'm just as well to watch GW from the sidelines.

My main army for the past 7-8 years has been Sisters of Battle.

What do you think my answer's gonna be?

Orks lobbas so I can actually make renegade field artillery...

What would it take for you to hand GW a lot of your hard-earned cash?

An act of God.

Plastic SoB, Plastic Steel Legion

Space Skaven. I know it isn't a great idea but I'd buy the hell out of it anyway.

Don't really need anything from GW anymore.

Especially their lousy rules supplemented by more lousy rules supplanting the current set of lousy rules roller coaster of stupidity.

What would it take?

A time machine.

A way to get into a new army quicker and more options for assembling the ork models.

While I am still happily expanding my ork horde, I sometimes consider delving into other armies as a fun side project. However before investing in pretty models I want to be able to know whether they will deliver on the table top, and for that I would need to purchase a codex. If the rules for units were available for a small price, like in a pocket book form that I could pick up for a magazine price and flip through, I probably would have bought quite a collection.

The system of charging huge prices for a rulebook make it really difficult to play. I dropped playing for the entire sixth edition of the warhammer 40k rules because of the price of the rule books. To attract new players to their game, you don't tell them they will have to pay hundreds of kuai (a lot of money) in order to learn how to move your pieces, you give them a cheap hook so that they will go running back and tell their friends.

This is probably just me, but I would pay to see more customisation options on the ork vehicles. I only include have two trukks that I bought from GW in my speed freaks army because it would be a failure of an ork army if they were all identical. Instead I use toy trucks with ork bits glued to them. If GW could make trukk and other vehicle kits so that they can be assembled in interesting ways, that would be amazing.

 Talys wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

I'm not sure GW can make much more money with table top minis. fact of the matter is wargames are simply a contracting market. honestly the best way to make GW lots of money would proably be "whore out the IP to everyone intreasted in it"

I've said this before, too, but some people vehemently disagreed, saying that tabletop wargames are a growing industry. From what I know through local independent stores in my area, wargames and miniature hobbies are not growing in terms of gross sales dollars or net profits. There are just too many other things to take money from the same target audience (console games, PC games, tabletop card games, etc.), and miniatures/wargames are not only one of the most expensive forms of entertainment for this audience, but also one of the least flexible on the gaming aspect.

I agree with you that licensing the IP is a great path, but I think the way GW had done it is not effective. I think that 40k has as much potential as the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but it's been squandered on relatively weak computer and tablet games, and a bad animated feature that just repeats, "And we shall know no fear!". If they could put together movies of the quality of Guardians of the Galaxy, and animated series the quality of Clone Wars, there would be no end to the potential revenue stream.

The market may be shrinking in your area, but it certainly isn't shrinking nationwide. The TTWG market in North America has experienced 6 straight years of growth. Here's a link to some people that actually keep track of this kind of stuff rather than looking at the 3 mom and pop stores in their neighborhood in Canuckistan.

http://icv2.com/articles/news/view/30959/six-straight-growth-years-hobby-games


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Brian - Please link me to the "facts" where the market is shrinking, I've looked high and low, every fact I've found confirms the exact opposite.

Talys - Not only do the people disagree, every study that's been done on the TTWG market in North America over the last 6 years disagrees. My own personal experience going to 15-20 FLGS in 3 different states on a frequent basis also disagrees.

Discounts of 10-20% on web bundles.


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 Crimson Devil wrote:
A model of Tom Kirby with removalable head that can fit up it's ass.

I would spend money for that.

You made me laugh.


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 Pouncey wrote:
My main army for the past 7-8 years has been Sisters of Battle.

What do you think my answer's gonna be?

Plastic Sisters of Battle.

 KaptinBadrukk wrote:
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 Pouncey wrote:
My main army for the past 7-8 years has been Sisters of Battle.

What do you think my answer's gonna be?

Plastic Sisters of Battle.

Damned right.

Gonna make some scalies out of em with Skink parts. : D

The system of charging huge prices for a rulebook make it really difficult to play. I dropped playing for the entire sixth edition of the warhammer 40k rules because of the price of the rule books. To attract new players to their game, you don't tell them they will have to pay hundreds of kuai (a lot of money) in order to learn how to move your pieces, you give them a cheap hook so that they will go running back and tell their friends.

Exactly. Games like Dropzone Commander do it right. They give you the complete rules and all the army entries for all 4 forces in a softcover that costs less than a single 40k codex. If a company that small can do it, then the elephant on the room should be able to do it too. Then they expand the game for all 4 original forces and a completely new one with another single book.

The rules material from GW is godawful expensive, and overly bloated besides. You shouldn't price the first material new players have to buy at the price they do. It's stupid.

For me it would be bringing back old epic (titan legion space marine). Would spend a very sizeable chunk of my hard earned cash on it. Failing that dark elder stuff that get changed from fine cast to plastic nah it would have to be old epic.

Its the game I have waited for dzc and planet fall are just not up to the task by any means only game that came close was fow but don't like historical that much always loved my sci-fi

Plastic Thunderhawk, Genestealer cult codex, decently priced mega paint set.

They will already getting my money for the new Bloodthirster and Crusade case.

I'd buy plastic Sisters if they didn't price them at modern GW prices. A squad in plastic will probably cost nearly what one in metal does.

Battle Fleet Gothic

 AegisGrimm wrote:

The rules material from GW is godawful expensive, and overly bloated besides. You shouldn't price the first material new players have to buy at the price they do. It's stupid.

Maybe they could still release a "special edition" rulebook for the players that are fascinated by the intricate details of the organisational structure of the Imperial pencil pushers over the past 10,000 years, there are probably people willing to pay money for that. It would give the rich collectors something to put on display while leaving the rest of us poor players to play.