1-10 Auxiliaries: Retallion Cadre - 1 Commander - 3 units of Crisis - 1 Broadside unit - 1 Riptide unit Rules: Relentless +1 BS when Deep striking May choose to enter from reserves in turn 2 via Deep Strike. This includes Broadsides.
Heavy Retribution Cadre - 2 Stormsurges - 3 Ghostkeels Rules: If target is at 12" or less from the Ghostkeel, reroll to hit. It two units of the formation, shoot at the same target, target unit cannot run or move flat out next turn, and assault distance is halved (rounded down)
Infiltration Cadre - 3 Pathfinder units - 2 Stealth battlesuit units - 1 Piranha unit Rules: If one unit of the formation is destroyed, rest of the formation enters from reserve next turn automatically. If an enemy unit gets hit by 3 or more markerights from this formation, you get a free Seeker missile hit to this unit.
Optimised Stealth Cadre - 1 Ghostkeel - 2 Stealth Suit units Rules: Ghostkeels and any Stealth Battlesuit unit in the formation at 6" of the Ghostkeel ignore cover, add +1 to BS and hit vehicles in the rear
Firebase Support Cadre - 2 units of battlesuits - 1 unit Riptides Note that they do not have to be max size like before Rules: They formation can combine their shooting attacks and shoot as a single unit. When doing so, they get Tank and monster hunter SR.
Armored Interdiction Cadre - 3 Units of Hammerheads - 1 Unit of Sky Rays Rules: Choose a point in the battlefield. When shooting to a unit at 6" or less from this point, reroll to hit. Air Support Cadre - 1 Sun Shark Bomber - 1 Razorshark Strike Fighter Rules: Ignore shaken and stunned with 2+. Beginning of the turn, roll a D6 for each lost hull point. If you roll a 6, recover 1 HP.
Allied Advanced Cadre - 4 units of Kroot - 2 units of Vespids Rules: Vespids get Infiltration and Stealth (Forests) Kroot at 12" from Vespid units, get Obscured (Forests) instead of Stealth (Forests), and get +1 BS They all get supporting fire with other units of the formation.
Rules for Hunter Cadre: - Supporting Fire at 12" - Can run and the shoot. In this order.
Rules for Hunter Contingent: - Reroll Warlord trait - Units can combine their shooting attacks, and shoot as if they were a single unit. So they can get benefit from special rules and the same markerlight, for example. This is really, really powerful.
Other Changes: - Fire Team SR - +1 BS when 3 or more models in the same unit fire at the same target (or is it maximum squad size?) - Sky Rays/Hammerheads can now be taken in Squadrons of 1-3 - Riptides can be taken in units of 1-3 - Destroyer Missiles count as Strength D with the expenditure of a Markerlight
Summary ‘Fire Team’ Special Rule: Unit gains +1BS if unit size is 3 models during Shooting Phase. Applies only to Riptides, Ghostkeels, Hammerheads, and Skyrays.
Signature Systems: Appear to be the same as before.
Experimental Weapons: No longer a thing, Cyclic Ion Blaster and Air-Frag Launcher now standard weapons
Crisis Bodyguards: Now an Elites choice (?)
Crisis Team: Gain ‘Fire Team’ Special Rule
Stealth Team: Still an Elites choice, no apparent changes.
Kroot Carnivore Squad: No apparent changes.
Hammerhead Gunship: Available in Squadrons of 1-3, gain ‘Fire Team’ Special Rule
Skyray Gunship: Available in Squadrons of 1-3, gain ‘Fire Team’ Special Rule
Crisis Battlesuit Commander: Coldstar Battlesuit loses access to Signature Systems, can take two Support Systems in addition to fixed wargear.
Riptide: Now available in Squadrons (Teams?) of 1-3, gain ‘Fire Team’ Special Rule. Nova Reactor works as before, each Riptide in the unit rolls separately and may choose different effects if they want.
Broadside Team: Gain the ‘Fire Team’ Special Rule, Heavy Rail Rifle remains the same.
Stormsurge: 1 Markerlight token upgrades 1 Destroyer Missile from S8 to SD
Wulfson_40K wrote: Hi and pleased to join you during these Tau releases.
Following info was posted on Warseer by Archibald_TK. So before one of the mods there goes berserk and burns everything because there are points displayed I'm copying it in a safe place, namely here:
- Commander (apparently with a drone) - 40€, 30£, 50$ - Crisis Battelsuits (3 suits + 6 drones) - 60€, 45£, 75$ - Drones (2 drones) - 9€, 7.7£, 12$ - Warzone Damocles: Kauyon (campaign book) - 60€, 45£, 74$ - Codex Tau (128p) - 39€, 30£, 49.5$ - Tau cards, Raven Guard! cards, also White Scars cards!! for some reason - each 10.5€, 8£, 13.5$
- Commander is 85pts base. Coldstar has no particular rules compared to a Crisis so no +1T sorry. The high yield canon is crap (or should I say crap for that model), 18" S5 AP5 Assault6 TL. - Crisis suits kit contain 4 of each weapon (except only 3 missiles). Iridium armor is still in the Codex, you can build one of such suits per kit (it the red one we saw in the pictures). - Kauyon's pictures show two formations: the awesome Shadowstrike Kill Team (2-4 Scouts + 1-5 Vanguards, you chose to fail or succeed reserve rolls for the Vanguards, they don't scatter within 9" of the scouts, they can charge the turn they DS) and Pinion Battle Demi-Company (like a demi company but with scouts that help reserves by accompanying other units to allow them to do a flank attack and can give ignore cover to an unit with 9") - Codex pictures show 80pts Devilfish and 44pts Pathfinders (minimum unit size of 4)
He's not a rumour guy but a WD guy, acceptable accuracy I'd say. But it's hard to mess up when you're reading a book in front of you I suppose :p
From Lords of Wargaming: PENDING Tau Rumors - June 2015 Here are some parting truths about Tau: They will have a new Fire Warrior box. Two types of units can be made. New Crisis Suits More commander suits New Riptide sized Suit that has large missiles Looks like a Tau Aegis Defense line with circular weapon platforms. Don't know about the rules, so don't ask.
From Warhound on ATT: PENDING Tau Rumors - June 2015 EDIT# Sorry dude... I mixed my wires/ threads up...
Basically Blake Spence and Daren Parrwood are the ringleaders of the Tau sculptors for FW.... Last year i managed to bend the ears of them both and Alan Bligh (rules writer and fluff meister) about the next evolution... They basically believe that their commonly held strategies ( Mont'ka and Kauyon) are not the only ones to exist/ explore... They wish to shift our paradigm...
The Devilfish chassis they believe to be lacking ( hence the TL turrets being pulled) and so are considering a few concepts of which i was excited to hear...
ALSO and bigger news is that they believe the XV-109 to be only the first of a wave of evolution.... Behold! The Tau Knight class titan!:-D The XV-109 is the half way house to meeting the threat of the knights ( hence generally needing 2 to take 1 knight down)... We are getting bigger toys!
After the sporadic chats we have had, i am looking to a more SWAT/SAS Element to them... Rapid drop insertion with some techy punch... And with a possible GW twin purpose box set coming, would tie in nicely...
Hope this explains more...?
Cheers Warhound
PENDING Tau Rumors - July 2015 So.. lots of talk... but here is the down low...
I managed to bend Mr.Hayes (Will- the designer) ear for the 1st 45 mins of the event, and as always he was kind enough to go through some of their design thought processes as well as the rational behind the "Supremacy" Suit...
As mentioned before.. Alan Bligh, alongside Daren Parrwood and Blake Spence are all keen to develope the Tau War Paradigm beyond that of just the Kauyon and Mont'au strategies... this is leading to not just this suit, but also a likely Superheavy Skimmer/ Tank that is a more suitable heavy platform, but on a scale for the long lost Orca. *We can expect a new IA book in the first (hopeful) part of next year, which will make our suits non-experimental rules also!
The KX is the Tau's answer to the increasing number of Gargantuan Creature and Knight/ titans that they are encountering across their borders. The rational is that the likes of the Tigershark, whilst dominating the skies, do not have the capability to take these foe down, due to 'time on target'... they needed something that could go toe to toe with a knight and win. The success of the Y'varha and R'varnha units has given them the proof and belief in their own ability to develop their strength in the mobile suit arena and therefore decided to bring this to the fore.
In regards to rules- There are none written as yet... however I can confirm this...
The tracked mounting on the back does indeed house 3 "Rail" type weapons.. all independantly poseable. The current thinking is that while it is a Rail weapon for all intents and purposes, it will have a multi role purpose: D- shot: had to happen.. they need something to take the knights down. Armour spiltter: Multi shot mode which is designed to rip SP/HP's off their target. Bombardment style: allowing the KX to literally carpet bomb from afar
The brace of triple Ion-cannons on each arm, they are unsure of whether it will be x3 shots or perhaps rapid fire...
This WILL be a Super Heavy walker. It is commanded by 3 crewmen (note the 3 vision slits on the chest). As such it will be able to fire ALL its weapons, and at seperate targets. Special abilities: it will be able to Snap fire/ overwatch unlike other super heavies, due to a pumped up CDS system. No flight- but as it is a SHW, will have 12" move as standard. No NOVA: as Alan described, due to the size of it, their would be adequate shielding to in essence, "be constantly on Nova"... therefore keeping the rules set simpler.
In addition to the current load out, Will is already working on a brace of triple barrelled Fusion style weapons and also some ideas to replace the back mounted Rail weapons.... Missile racks, comms pods etc.......
One final note is that Mark Bedford is keen to work on an official Earthcaste Pilot model.. I suggested that he does it as the "event only" model, which he seemed to like (and would mean it would be more likely to get released).... there were 2 pages of sketches which were similar to the Longstrike style suit, but cooler helmets;-)
I think that covers all....
As I say, they have not even started the rules writing yet, and so other sites reporting scuttlebutt of Gargantuan creatures stats and specific rules are making it up..... the above was described by all 3 designers and the rules designer himself.
oh- and it is complete, and off to the mould makers, so I would imagine we will see this in the next 2-3 months (not got a release slot yet)... price will be some where in the region of £225 as it is between the size of a knight and a Warhound titan...
Well, scenery that isn't IoM is always good! Though this doesn't seem to be a likely June release since vanilla astartes and Dark Angels are up this month. As well as a rumoured WHFB revamp soon after that.
Maybe they saw a dramatic uptick in sales after the 6th Tau book was released. They won't equate the rules being strong with that though. People just like Tau more than the weaker books narrative wise...
Very interesting, thanks for pointing that out, Pretre
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angelofvengeance wrote: Well, scenery that isn't IoM is always good! Though this doesn't seem to be a likely June release since vanilla astartes and Dark Angels are up this month. As well as a rumoured WHFB revamp soon after that.
June is not the date of the relase but Pretre's tracker info when this was posted
Eldarain wrote: Maybe they saw a dramatic uptick in sales after the 6th Tau book was released. They won't equate the rules being strong with that though. People just like Tau more than the weaker books narrative wise...
Nothing to do with the decades since the last book and model release either.
These mentioned are mostly old models (pre-2005), the list makes a lot of sense The release wouldn't be much bigger than the Ork one last year - which had more character models but no terrain. I don't see much BS possibility here after checking the Ork release list from 2014
Skinnereal wrote: Aren't most 2-type kits 5-man boxes?
Hope it's link the Tactical Squad box, not Dire Avengers.
Skitarii infantry are 10-men, two-build boxes, although they suffer from Ye Olde lack of special weapons problem(one of each in a unit that can take three of any one type, *sigh*). Same bodies, different arms & heads - given Tau basic units don't get special weapons(right?), they could easily do a 10-man Fire Warrior/Pathfinder-style box with different heads & weapon arms and a few gubbinz to help differentiate the two.
Eldarain wrote: Maybe they saw a dramatic uptick in sales after the 6th Tau book was released. They won't equate the rules being strong with that though. People just like Tau more than the weaker books narrative wise...
Well, they are the shootiest army. If you want to build a good gunline, I could see picking Tau even if they were just average overall.
A new threepack crisis suits with commander options would be spectacular, especially if they convert the finecast commander with waist into plastic.
Firewarriors need a new kit. The one they have is ancient and barren. putting in a second troop style would also help with the troop slot problem if Kroot get pulled out to make a Kroot merc book.
Aegis line for Tau? Quick temporary defenses is totally their thing. Hope it comes with a drone turret with a Heavy Rail rifle or HYMP option.
New Riptide sized suit? I could see this. I would prefer a heavy tank, but a fire support Riptide (like the broadside compared to the crisis suit) would make a lot of sense.
If true, I would pick up an average of two of all of these kits. Hope it is not til late fall, after I have the Warlord Titan paid off and built.
MajorWesJanson wrote: A new threepack crisis suits with commander options would be spectacular, especially if they convert the finecast commander with waist into plastic.
Firewarriors need a new kit. The one they have is ancient and barren. putting in a second troop style would also help with the troop slot problem if Kroot get pulled out to make a Kroot merc book.
Aegis line for Tau? Quick temporary defenses is totally their thing. Hope it comes with a drone turret with a Heavy Rail rifle or HYMP option.
New Riptide sized suit? I could see this. I would prefer a heavy tank, but a fire support Riptide (like the broadside compared to the crisis suit) would make a lot of sense.
If true, I would pick up an average of two of all of these kits. Hope it is not til late fall, after I have the Warlord Titan paid off and built.
Lol- you bought the beast then? Look forward to seeing a project log for that!
Lol- you bought the beast then? Look forward to seeing a project log for that!
Not yet, got the money ducks in a row for when it comes up on the website. As a mere yank, I don't have access to nice things like warhammer world and their exclusive models or events, so I am in a holding pattern.
I do plan a project log though. But that is off topic.
I wonder for Tau if there will be any clampacks in addition to these rumored kits. An Ethereal would really help.
So Tau are already in the pipeline for a renewed codex ? I'm still struggling to finish my Astra Militarum and Tyranid armies. Then my still unused V6 Tau codex seems to get obsolete before I will have the time to begin this army. Is there a foreseeable time frame to get this codex redone ? Do you recommend me to resell it before its values drops next to zero ?
Good... good. I've crushed so many people with the current dex. I'm looking forward to the new one. Hope we get some awesome formations and see firebase support cadre implemented into the codex.
pretre wrote: PENDING Tau Rumors - June 2015
Here are some parting truths about Tau:
They will have a new Fire Warrior box. Two types of units can be made.
New Crisis Suits
More commander suits
New Riptide sized Suit that has large missiles
Looks like a Tau Aegis Defense line with circular weapon platforms.
Don't know about the rules, so don't ask.
Yeah, I don't see all that happening. The fire warrior kit is fine but I could possibly see them making some veteran FW variant dual kit as they're wont to do nowadays. New crisis suit kit? That one is very plausible. More commander suits? Doubtful... the resin one is only 2 years old. I don't recall exactly how old the Eldar finecast kits they replaced were but IIRC they might have been from the 4th edition release days originally in metal (but finecast since the bungled 2012 switch). New Riptide sized suit with large missiles? Unlikely (for a completely new kit). I could possibly see them pulling an Imperial Knight and adding a sprue for a price bump of $10-15 to make a second codex entry but I'd be very surprised to see a completely new set. As for the terrain, I'd probably put that one dead last in the list of likelihood unless it is one of those chinese one shot and done kits like the big plasma turret or the void shield. None of this is from any shred of insider info but rather just my gut feeling so YMMV, season with salt as needed.
And admittedly my gut is certainly not infallible but those were just my thoughts. Regardign the LOW rumors below from your tracking thread:
-DELETED Skitarii > Ad Mech > Eldar > SM > Tau. Correct. FALSE
-DELETED Lords of War Gaming Raven guard vs Tau and should be out before Tau release.
Why was the first one marked false? Because admech came after eldar? Also why was the second deleted? Does that mean they deleted those rumors themselves and disavowed them?
The first was false because it was the incorrect order.
Ah, thanks. As for the order, they were off by a couple of weeks so far. Depending on when exactly they made that prediction (especially if prior to the skitarri release), they deserve at least a cookie or partial credit if the tau are indeed next and not Dark Angels. If they made it after the skitarri release or the dark angels sneak in between SM and Tau, I agree no soup for them as there would be multiple inconsistencies despite them getting half or more correct. Again, that depends on the timing of their prediction as well.
The first was false because it was the incorrect order.
Ah, thanks. As for the order, they were off by a couple of weeks. Depending on when exactly they made that prediction (like prior to the skitarri release), they deserve at least a cookie or partial credit if the tau are indeed next and not Dark Angels. If they made it after the skitarri release, I agree no soup for them.
If they have serious legitimate plans to make a kroot codex and are spinning the kroot out of the book then we would need another option to give us two troop choices.
pretre wrote: PENDING Tau Rumors - June 2015
Here are some parting truths about Tau:
They will have a new Fire Warrior box. Two types of units can be made.
New Crisis Suits
More commander suits
New Riptide sized Suit that has large missiles
Looks like a Tau Aegis Defense line with circular weapon platforms.
Don't know about the rules, so don't ask.
-New Fire Warrior Box: Happy to hear this as I haven't bought any Fire Warriors yet, will be interesting to see.
-New Crisis Suits: I am really torn on this one, mainly because I am still barely finishing up my awesome magnetized old ones. Granted they are already customized pose wise thanks to some knife work but I will be to tempted to get the new ones! What are your guys thoughts on them giving them a bigger base or even making them taller then the current ones?
-More Commander Suits: I could maybe see this, also would not completely affect my army as I could just sell one of my x2 Commander Suits for this guy so they all look unique.
-New Riptide sized Suit that has Large Missiles: YES YES YES!!! If this is rue I am adding x2 of them hands down to my army, I love me some giant suits.
-Tau Aegis Defense Line: Cool, but I don't use it but still cool.
I remember the rumors leading up to so many GW releases that had people going "nah.. they don't do that..they'd never do that" but then GW drops the bomb and everyone goes "what..wait..WHAT?" trying to figure out how they could have possibly been so wrong about what the old geedub will and won't do.
It was not long ago that people were saying GW would never mix Fantasy and 40, never release Ad-Mech, never release a plastic titan kit, never repackage something and mark it up to almost double it's original price.. oh wait.. that last one was never said.. but still..
New fire warriors dual kits
- Kroot will probably be out the door
- Firewarrior 's that are probably going to be of two types - one type will be long range focus, one will be 18" or less focused that hits harder.
- Or Pathfinders will be Firewarrior variants and become troops. Will share fire warrior statline but use pathfinder weapons and rules.
New Crisis Suits
- Tau Elite slot is the least crowded of all slots so we could see a new CS team move into here
- Or -
- Could see a Hazard Suit type team be moved into the Fast Attack slot
More commander suits
- I've mentioned this in other forums but I've always thought that if they change how Signature systems can be bought and put limits on commanders, essentially doing away with the buffmander, that they would come out with more commander units.
If they make those changes then it makes sense to have 2 or 3 commander models that have specific role types. Examples would be:
An attack/close combat/assault/ 12" or less oriented.
A distance based commander that buffs shooting.
A commander that buffs units or gives army wide buffs, basically a strategic commander.
New Riptide sized Suit that has large missiles
- Most likely a LOW with str D attacks
Looks like a Tau Aegis Defense line with circular weapon platforms.
- Awesome and makes sense that Tau would set up a line for FW to get behind.
These sound a awful lot like the rumors that came out before the current Tau book. The giant robot one was correct (riptide) but the plastic commander, new firewarrior box, and new crisis suits did not happen. And here they are again. Hmmm. I believe the old rumors even talked about Tau scenery as well. I'm getting major de ja vu from these. I would really like them to be true of course, but seeing as how they break the current release MO AND are eerily similar to previous rumors I'm going to not get too excited about these.
That being said... Firewarriors desperately need a new kit. I like the look of them as is, but updated molds would be nice here. The legs and arms are so bad they can be a little hard to paint as you don't know where the cloth ends and the armor begins on some of them.
I would support both a midsize suit like the hazard suits moving into the fast attack slot or even a dual crisis kit where you make the xv-8 as elite and the xv-9 revamp as a fast attack. I don't think that the Riptide will move into LOW though as it is in the end only T6. They'd have to come out with an even bigger khornemower/stompa/cheddarknight sized kit at $120+ to fill that.
What I think we'll get is instead like the Blood Angels and Space Wolves an HQIC moved into lord of war. I sincerely hope it turns out to be farsight buffed out significantly with an irridium suit and eternal warrior plus IWND (due to the life sucking sword) but there is an equal chance that the craptacular space pope will instead move over. The above though is just opinion (not rumor or fact) so YMMV.
Well, I think 3 kits + 1 fortification is certainly within the realm of possibility.
- Space marines got 3 kits (including command tanks) and 4 upgrade sprues.
- Imperium already got 2 fortifications this year
- Harlequins got a full reboot with many kits
- Blood Angels got 2 kits plus Karlaen
- Lords of War have an almost perfect batting average, much higher than anyone else!
So anyhow, I'm excited. But even more so that maybe, just maybe, there will be plastic raven guard bits!
Talys wrote: Well, I think 3 kits + 1 fortification is certainly within the realm of possibility.
- Space marines got 3 kits (including command tanks) and 4 upgrade sprues.
- Imperium already got 2 fortifications this year
- Harlequins got a full reboot with many kits
- Blood Angels got 2 kits plus Karlaen
- Lords of War have an almost perfect batting average, much higher than anyone else!
So anyhow, I'm excited. But even more so that maybe, just maybe, there will be plastic raven guard bits!
I didn't look at the actual sprue pics closely but weren't the space marine tanks a single (but large) upgrade sprue for both?
- Tau Elite slot is the least crowded of all slots so we could see a new CS team move into here
What are you on about? I cry for more elite slots
Mmm more MORE MORRREE battlesuits!
One can NEVER have enough. Except perhaps needing the Railguns to be more effective again. I want XV88's at least up to STR 9. Give us a little bit more choice to take them. Make our Hammerhead twin linked.
There should be some finecast replacement for sure. I think it's the XV8 Battlesuit Commander model that I've seen come in just completely unfixable by being dropped a few times, so I wouldn't be suprised to see that model get a plastic replacement.
- Tau Elite slot is the least crowded of all slots so we could see a new CS team move into here
What are you on about? I cry for more elite slots
I am just saying, that in comparison to pretty much every other faction, Tau only have 3 elite choices. Every other faction has probably at least 5. So I could see them slot this supposed new type of CS team into the Elite slot. I could also see them move a new CS type team into the Fast Attack Slot, which is overcrowded and has too many underutilized units.
I don't get the Fire Warrior hate. The models are good. Marines show you don't need Eldar-like choices of troops. In fact, I switched to Tau because Eldar look like a Carnevale parade. I'd like to see some special and heavy weapons in squads, but I realize GW isn't into actually modelling armies in a functional way.
Now, new battle suits could be interesting. More curves and less angles, would seriously threaten my bank account. If they are just cutting up and adding to spues then I'm good thank you.
Can you point out the "hate"? I'm not that word means what you think it does.
FW models are in need of new moulds. They could use better definition.
I'd like to see Fire Warriors get those haywire grenades as standard for a minor points increase. Also giving them access to the pathfinder drones and weapons would be interesting (perhaps only pathfinders can get a recon drones, would be interesting to see them field 2 in a squad). Lastly, a flamer for the unit would be nice. Meltas should stay with CS suits though.
Perhaps GW's plan will be to move out Kroot and shift Pathfinders into the troops slot.
I'd love to see something like this:
Then make FW boxes dual model kits as suggested.
New Tau Troops are:
Fire Warriors - Supporting fire
Fire Warriors: WS:3 BS:3 S:3 T:3 W:1 I:2 A:1 Ld:8 Save:4+ - 10pts
Shas'ui: WS:3 BS:3 S:3 T:3 W:1 I:2 A:2 Ld:9 Save:4+ - 15pts
Standard issue wargear: Pulse Rifles, Defensive and Haywire grenades
Can take Bonding Knife for 1pt per model
Shas'ui can replace pulse rifle for an ion rife - +5pts, or rail rifle for +10pts or an assault flamer for +15pts (Str5, AP 5, Template, Assault 1)
Unit can take up to 2 Drones
Either Shield, Gun, Markerlight for 12pts each, Grav Inhibitor, pulse accel for 15pts each
Each model can choose to replace Pulse carbine with markerlight targeter and pulse pistol for 5pts each
Pulse pistol Str 5, Ap 5, 12" Pistol
Markerlight Targeter Str - , AP -, 36" Assault 1, Target Acquired
Can take Bonding Knife for 1pt per model
Shas'ui can replace pulse carbine for an ion rife - +5pts, or rail rifle for +10pts or an assault flamer for +15pts (Str5, AP 5, Template, Assault 1)
Unit can take up to 2 Drones
Either Shield, Gun, Markerlight for 12pts each, Grav Inhibitor, pulse accel for 15pts each or recon drone for 20pts.
- Tau Elite slot is the least crowded of all slots so we could see a new CS team move into here
What are you on about? I cry for more elite slots
I am just saying, that in comparison to pretty much every other faction, Tau only have 3 elite choices. Every other faction has probably at least 5. So I could see them slot this supposed new type of CS team into the Elite slot. I could also see them move a new CS type team into the Fast Attack Slot, which is overcrowded and has too many underutilized units.
It's probably just an updated sculpt, like Eldar jetbikes.
I hope one of the new commander suits is a generic XV-22, like the Dawn of War commander.
Basically Blake Spence and Daren Parrwood are the ringleaders of the Tau sculptors for FW....
Last year i managed to bend the ears of them both and Alan Bligh (rules writer and fluff meister) about the next evolution... They basically believe that their commonly held strategies ( Mont'ka and Kauyon) are not the only ones to exist/ explore... They wish to shift our paradigm...
The Devilfish chassis they believe to be lacking ( hence the TL turrets being pulled) and so are considering a few concepts of which i was excited to hear...
ALSO and bigger news is that they believe the XV-109 to be only the first of a wave of evolution....
Behold! The Tau Knight class titan!:-D
The XV-109 is the half way house to meeting the threat of the knights ( hence generally needing 2 to take 1 knight down)... We are getting bigger toys!
After the sporadic chats we have had, i am looking to a more SWAT/SAS Element to them... Rapid drop insertion with some techy punch... And with a possible GW twin purpose box set coming, would tie in nicely...
I can see the Warriors / Suits / Commander but not buildings. sorry
now I know for a fact some tau stuff was made between the first codex and the second but its never materialized.
i do think the " aliens " like stingwings and Kroot others are going to either vanish or be so bad that they will be gone in 2-3 books or become background like the Demiurg ( yeah nice going GWid like my space dwarfs please)
I'll take one of my earlier statements back for now: one of my birdies just nudged me concering the "weeks, not months" thing. According to him/her/it, we'll see Tau in October, and no 40K until then. So... months indeed.
This would be coherent with this summer being dedicated to Warhammer fantasy new edition.
Pretre, the name of the guy you're quoting on the first post isn't Shas'ui as that is just his forum ranking for that particular board (and a tau rank in the 40k fluff) just like your badass sister sin under your handle here on dakka. His actual name there is Warhound. Thanks for tracking it regardless and it looks like he'll get a postive from that Tau FW knight titan rumor.
warboss wrote: Pretre, the name of the guy you're quoting on the first post isn't Shas'ui as that is just his forum ranking for that particular board (and a tau rank in the 40k fluff) just like your badass sister sin under your handle here on dakka. His actual name there is Warhound. Thanks for tracking it regardless and it looks like he'll get a postive from that Tau FW knight titan rumor.
No worries. Vector strike posted a link above to some stats. I don't know if FW designer/sculptor conversations count as rumors but the first post might deserve some of that info regardless if this is the official tau rumor thread.
How big is this thing compared to a riptide? Or, how big is a Deredeo to a Riptide? I never saw one in reality, but it would give me a feeling for the scale of that...."suit". No way to still call this s SUIT, is it? More like a Gundam Mech, a Jaeger or...
That being said, AWESOME, i like it!
But i have a bad feeling about this "my c*** is much bigger than yours" mentality that has befallen 40k. I am not exactly sure what started this, but i think it was the riptide, no? Then, one month later, the wraith knight ("And you thought the riptide was big", you dont say White Dwarf), only to be followed by the Orc Gorkanaught (or Morkanaught?) and Escalation allowing LoW in regular 40k games...and then Imperial Knights....and everytime someone gets a new OP Mega sized Unit, the others need new toys, which need to be even MORE bigger....i mean, where will this end? Games with Warlord Titans as foot soldiers?
....will buy one nevertheless, if only for placing in my showcase. I like robots :>
How big is this thing compared to a riptide? Or, how big is a Deredeo to a Riptide? I never saw one in reality, but it would give me a feeling for the scale of that...."suit". No way to still call this s SUIT, is it? More like a Gundam Mech, a Jaeger or...
You'll have to do the visual/mental gymnastics but some size comparison pics are spoilered below.
Spoiler:
My guess is that it is about the same size as that dreamforge titan (is it the 28mm one?).
Tau basically control the Skies with all the Skyfire and D weapons in the air. The manta is more than enough for me, but a large battlesuit with possible D weapons is what we need... The Greater good need to start a crusade, maybe extend our reach... Maybe this new IA will give us a lot more new Apoc units to make tau very effective.
It also might help to have a model that costs less than $1,000 for the tau to fill that role that the two smaller fliers (or the discontinued orca) don't.
All of my yes. I need that suit, and if the rumours about the Devilfish chassis are true, I need that as well. Finally, a 40k release I can be excited about!
Frozen Ocean wrote: All of my yes. I need that suit, and if the rumours about the Devilfish chassis are true, I need that as well. Finally, a 40k release I can be excited about!
Cost and storage are the two reasons I would have preferred them making that at slightly above riptide size instead of full on superheavy size. YMMV. In any case, I found a pic of the same base (plus other stuff in the background like a titan) at roughly the same angle and through the magic of MSpaint (sorry, no fancy photoshop on this hard drive!) I tried to get them the same size to gauge the bulk of the xk139 model. I can't guarantee that it is 100% accurate nor the relative sizes on GW's own picture that looks photoshopped as well (the knight is further back) but you can see the onager base cut and pasted onto the tau titan to see that the widths are as equal as they can be (with the right edge covered by the titan's toe so I had to guess on that part).
Frozen Ocean wrote: All of my yes. I need that suit, and if the rumours about the Devilfish chassis are true, I need that as well. Finally, a 40k release I can be excited about!
From Warhound on ATT:
PENDING Tau Rumors - June 2015
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The Devilfish chassis they believe to be lacking ( hence the TL turrets being pulled) and so are considering a few concepts of which i was excited to hear...
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This mornings source on the Tau has an additional bit to it, that a new XV 8 Commander will be released alongside the two new larger "Riptide" sized suits. Whether the suits are a single box set, with this as single clam pack (what previous rumors have said were coming) is yet to be seen. It does seem though that September will be a huge return to Warhammer 40k.
These comes from very solid sources. These are still on the vague side of things, and I am hoping that over the next week we can get something a little more detailed.
via anonymous sources on Faeit 212 A new XV 8 Commander will be released as well.
From earlier The Tau Codex is coming, but no real ETA I can share at the moment. In it Tau will get 2 new suits, one larger than a riptide, another smaller than a riptide.
via another solid anonymous source on Faeit 212 XV8 Battlesuit Commander is unaviable for e to order for my store meaning there will be a new release in next 2 weeks
Because we all know that bigger suits mean more powerful units, right? And bigger price tags, since Riptides are cheaper than Wraithknights!
Maybe they get a Tauified Distortion weapon with 120" range, 6D6 damage, and Ignores cover. Or a Macross style S8AP2 chest-firing rockets that don't fly in a straight line, but can target up to 100 enemy models simultaneously.
So this is the "month of the tau" we were told of on ATT. GW likely releases Tau stuff in September and FW likely their Tau stuff will be heavily showcased during October.
A lot of these rumors are starting to seem more reliable.
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It depicts a 104 Riptide for the record. So it's existing art.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Not even Space Marines got 4+ kits, and they are the highest selling army. I wouldn't count on Tau getting a whole lot.
Perhaps you underestimate our growing popularity? We're quite quickly become one of the more popular races. We've got a hugely popular faction with almost no unit choices compared to other codices. Also you need to factor in FW a little. GW and FW look like they got something planned for Tau.
Fresh Rumor from BOLS:
Tau Empire Release
September 12th
A "big" release (unknown if related to Tau Empire, but could be)
September 19th
Codex Tau Empire
Tau Empire Datacards
Tau Empire Painting Guide
New Plastic Battlesuit Commander (in a new size of package)
I look forward to a new Tau codex.
My Tau army is already quite large and since day one mainly drone themed. But i will probably add one of each new suits if we get them, just to paint and have them.
I have one Riptide and a bigger suit would be nice as well.
But it all depends on the design.
Because I actually don't like the big FW model as it is.
It looks unbalanced IMO.
I would prefer big cannons on arms and smaller cannons on shoulders. I changed that on my old style broadsides as well and was not surprised the new/current one is build like that too.
It should look just like the Warhammer/Excalibur from Robotech/Battletech.
Thanks for chiming in Sad Panda. Have you also heard of a Raven Guard vs Tau campaign box set before the Tau release like Lords of War Gaming had rumored in summer?
I get that Battlesuits sell, that Tau's 'big guns' really bring in the money; but it's a little disappointing that Kroot aren't being focused on as rumoured a few months back.
Kroot for the win, GW. Let's see some Kroot or Vespid love.
Shadowstrife wrote: I get that Battlesuits sell, that Tau's 'big guns' really bring in the money; but it's a little disappointing that Kroot aren't being focused on as rumoured a few months back.
Kroot for the win, GW. Let's see some Kroot or Vespid love.
Frankly, I think that it's smart that GW would focus more on the actual Tau units rather than their auxiliaries. I own exactly one unit of Kroot, and they've only seen the table twice since I started playing back during 5th Ed. I'd much rather see the Kroot broken off from the Tau Empire and rolled into a Mercenaries codex and have their line expanded a bit. Now, if GW made a Gue'vesa unit entry into the Codex, you'd really have my attention.
All of that aside, however...I do like the fact that we might get a new plastic Commander and a possible riptide variant outside of FW (I still love those two they have, though!). Expansion of the Devilfish sounds great, too. Really, though, the biggest two things I feel should be addressed are the Fire Warrior and Crisis Suit models...they are tired...
Shadowstrife wrote: I get that Battlesuits sell, that Tau's 'big guns' really bring in the money; but it's a little disappointing that Kroot aren't being focused on as rumoured a few months back.
Kroot for the win, GW. Let's see some Kroot or Vespid love.
If you remember the only rumor was a they were considering spinning them off into a minidex that would see the light of day in Jan ish time frame. So there's easily time for that rumor to be true. If we get the new dex and the Kroot are gone and we have a new FW derived unit in its place then I think its a good bet we'll get that minidex. If on the other hand it's still there in the dex then it's pretty much dead in the water.
Jadenim wrote: Have to say I'm fully expecting Kroot to get the Harlequin / Stormtrooper treatment and disappear off into their own mini-dex.
While I have heard this might happen it could be a very generic 1-3 boxes possibly including a clampack thing.
It seems that it's very possible but considering that they would have to dedicate a month or at least 2-3 weeks to a side race I'm not extremely hopeful.
I've been told of at least 3 others that could happen but so far I'm sceptical because of the deluge of AoS and from what I'm hearing the 40k and other respite from it might be only a week or two at best.
Ill be very surprised if Vespid survive the next codex
Considering they have models, and that rough riders somehow survived into the latest IG codex despite no longer having models for sale makes them being squatted unlikely. The only units units that have been squatted recently are those that don't have (non-FW) models that are still in production.
Jadenim wrote: Have to say I'm fully expecting Kroot to get the Harlequin / Stormtrooper treatment and disappear off into their own mini-dex.
While I have heard this might happen it could be a very generic 1-3 boxes possibly including a clampack thing.
It seems that it's very possible but considering that they would have to dedicate a month or at least 2-3 weeks to a side race I'm not extremely hopeful.
I've been told of at least 3 others that could happen but so far I'm sceptical because of the deluge of AoS and from what I'm hearing the 40k and other respite from it might be only a week or two at best.
Jadenim wrote: Have to say I'm fully expecting Kroot to get the Harlequin / Stormtrooper treatment and disappear off into their own mini-dex.
Wonder if that is why they pulled the Kroot units from FW.
I wonder if they would throw Vespid in with them.
Ill be very surprised if Vespid survive the next codex
So far everything seems to be indicating a large release for the Tau and a spin off for the Kroot into their own dex. FW pulled all their models, we've heard of some Kroot model prototypes from GW being around in the back burner, and we've also got rumors of a new troop being made from the FW kit. All of this indicates that the Kroot are looking at a minidex release. Which is awesome by my books.
We'll know very soon if this is true or not. Way back when Harlequins were being rumored everyone said it was bull. They said ad mech was bull. They said skitarii was bull. So far in the recent time frame of minidex rumors almost every major one has been correct. Not only that but action taken by FW support the idea of a mini dex being on the way (pulling of all their Kroot range and when asked why they gave a very cryptic answer). Even the old rumor of a Tau Auxiliary minidex sort of turned out correct since it seems to be evolving into a Kroot minidex release. Everyone is screaming the apocalypse on the rumor since it didn't happen instantly even though it said at the earliest we could expect it would be the first months of 2016 or that time frame.
Not only that but an extremely reliable FW sculptor information guy on Tau stuff has said a 'time of Tau is coming'. It would seem really weird to hype it up that big for a small launch. Not to mention they've had a long time to prepare for this first 40k release after the AoS time. All the rumors point to the GW Tau stuff being shown Sept and the FW stuff in Oct.
If they did make a Kroot codex I would go out and grab it asap.
Everything is just lining up too well. I suppose they could have heard these rumors and made some to sound like them, so it is a factor. It just seems probable that the Tau are at least getting a moderate release as opposed to a small one. I personally look at this as almost a reworking of Tau Empire and see it as a larger release. It seems like they've planned for this along time in advance. We even had the sculptor saying 'a new Tau paradigm is approaching'. Why would FW be the ones making that new paradigm if it's that big? Sounds like something the big guys at GW would have to decide.
Kroot are also one of the few plastic kits that have gone direct only, which suggests something is happening to them. They have enough different units (knarloc variants, vulture kin etc) to be broken out.
Vespid have only the one unit and are much more "integrated" into the Tau empire in the fluff (I.e. Possibly enslaved), so they don't really have a place outside of the main dex.
Jadenim wrote: Have to say I'm fully expecting Kroot to get the Harlequin / Stormtrooper treatment and disappear off into their own mini-dex.
Wonder if that is why they pulled the Kroot units from FW.
I wonder if they would throw Vespid in with them.
Kroot went OOP because the sells were pretty abysmal. Kroot isn't a popular army (and the bad rules in IA3 didn't help, either), so I'm pretty skeptical regarding a Kroot mini-dex.
Jadenim wrote: Have to say I'm fully expecting Kroot to get the Harlequin / Stormtrooper treatment and disappear off into their own mini-dex.
Wonder if that is why they pulled the Kroot units from FW.
I wonder if they would throw Vespid in with them.
Kroot went OOP because the sells were pretty abysmal. Kroot isn't a popular army (and the bad rules in IA3 didn't help, either), so I'm pretty skeptical regarding a Kroot mini-dex.
You have no way to know that. Even then when a product stops selling or being supported they let it sell until its gone. Your telling me every last Kroot thing sold out at the exact same time? it seems a little unusual. Not only that but FW had a sale on them like they needed them gone tomorrow if I recall correctly. That doesn't seem to be slowly letting them phase out. it seems like they got an order to sell them out as fast as possible. It seems like someone had ideas of their own for them GW. Why not stop production and let them just sell out slowly over time at full price and not add them back? Like SOB or so many other models.
Jadenim wrote: Have to say I'm fully expecting Kroot to get the Harlequin / Stormtrooper treatment and disappear off into their own mini-dex.
While I have heard this might happen it could be a very generic 1-3 boxes possibly including a clampack thing.
It seems that it's very possible but considering that they would have to dedicate a month or at least 2-3 weeks to a side race I'm not extremely hopeful.
I've been told of at least 3 others that could happen but so far I'm sceptical because of the deluge of AoS and from what I'm hearing the 40k and other respite from it might be only a week or two at best.
Jadenim wrote: Have to say I'm fully expecting Kroot to get the Harlequin / Stormtrooper treatment and disappear off into their own mini-dex.
Wonder if that is why they pulled the Kroot units from FW.
I wonder if they would throw Vespid in with them.
Ill be very surprised if Vespid survive the next codex
So far everything seems to be indicating a large release for the Tau and a spin off for the Kroot into their own dex. FW pulled all their models, we've heard of some Kroot model prototypes from GW being around in the back burner, and we've also got rumors of a new troop being made from the FW kit. All of this indicates that the Kroot are looking at a minidex release. Which is awesome by my books.
We'll know very soon if this is true or not. Way back when Harlequins were being rumored everyone said it was bull. They said ad mech was bull. They said skitarii was bull. So far in the recent time frame of minidex rumors almost every major one has been correct. Not only that but action taken by FW support the idea of a mini dex being on the way (pulling of all their Kroot range and when asked why they gave a very cryptic answer). Even the old rumor of a Tau Auxiliary minidex sort of turned out correct since it seems to be evolving into a Kroot minidex release. Everyone is screaming the apocalypse on the rumor since it didn't happen instantly even though it said at the earliest we could expect it would be the first months of 2016 or that time frame.
Not only that but an extremely reliable FW sculptor information guy on Tau stuff has said a 'time of Tau is coming'. It would seem really weird to hype it up that big for a small launch. Not to mention they've had a long time to prepare for this first 40k release after the AoS time. All the rumors point to the GW Tau stuff being shown Sept and the FW stuff in Oct.
If they did make a Kroot codex I would go out and grab it asap.
Everything is just lining up too well. I suppose they could have heard these rumors and made some to sound like them, so it is a factor. It just seems probable that the Tau are at least getting a moderate release as opposed to a small one. I personally look at this as almost a reworking of Tau Empire and see it as a larger release. It seems like they've planned for this along time in advance. We even had the sculptor saying 'a new Tau paradigm is approaching'. Why would FW be the ones making that new paradigm if it's that big? Sounds like something the big guys at GW would have to decide.
You have more faith in GW than I do, Tau got a big release fairly recently with 3/4 kits and now 4 more?. The two kits that were in real need of replacement were not even though we had people basically go on about new ones.
I like Tau and if a new commander comes out ill probably buy it. but honestly i'd rather SoB or Demiurg or something new * cough genstealer cult cough*. Ad mech was a great first step in new stuff but what they did to fantasy has made me have very little trust in them.
FW remove kits all the time and now they are focusing mainly on HH so im not suprised Kroot were pulled. and its a shame because i did eventualy want to get some.
Tau are also the smallest faction with 25 kits. So yea. I do expect a lot. There's a huge growing fanbase for them and they have a lot of room to add new things since there is so little of them. Not to mention Tau are selling really good recently what with their increased popularity (one of the most popular in Tournaments).
Also assuming the Kroot are split into their own dex we'll be down a troop so yes we definitely would need a reworked FW box to make two troops from. Then the reworked Commander/Crisis team could use similar parts to cut down on costs. Finally that leaves one maybe two brand new "suits". If they count the XV8Crisis update as one of their new suits then it leaves us with only two brand new releases and a bunch of updates.
I would count that as a fairly large update in my books.
None of what you like is relevant to what GW is doing with that Tau. I'm not trying to be an donkey-cave, but seriously. I want more Tau Auxiliaries and vehicles. Probably never going to happen. It's irrelevant to what I think I know is going down.
I do think there is enough evidence to see this as a much larger release.
Also just because they release the Kroot doesn't mean they'll ever expand or update them as a mainline faction. I'm cool with this. I hope they do, but if they don't I just like the look of the models so its all good.
I don't need to have faith in GW when I have approximate evidence. Then again I have been wrong before. I just know something is up this time though. Don't know how to explain it well.
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Also the Kroot codex would give the Tau a brand new baby battle brother. Yay. Hahah.
Jadenim wrote: Have to say I'm fully expecting Kroot to get the Harlequin / Stormtrooper treatment and disappear off into their own mini-dex.
Wonder if that is why they pulled the Kroot units from FW.
I wonder if they would throw Vespid in with them.
Kroot went OOP because the sells were pretty abysmal. Kroot isn't a popular army (and the bad rules in IA3 didn't help, either), so I'm pretty skeptical regarding a Kroot mini-dex.
You have no way to know that. Even then when a product stops selling or being supported they let it sell until its gone. Your telling me every last Kroot thing sold out at the exact same time? it seems a little unusual. Not only that but FW had a sale on them like they needed them gone tomorrow if I recall correctly. That doesn't seem to be slowly letting them phase out. it seems like they got an order to sell them out as fast as possible. It seems like someone had ideas of their own for them GW. Why not stop production and let them just sell out slowly over time at full price and not add them back? Like SOB or so many other models.
Jadenim wrote: Have to say I'm fully expecting Kroot to get the Harlequin / Stormtrooper treatment and disappear off into their own mini-dex.
Wonder if that is why they pulled the Kroot units from FW.
I wonder if they would throw Vespid in with them.
Kroot went OOP because the sells were pretty abysmal. Kroot isn't a popular army (and the bad rules in IA3 didn't help, either), so I'm pretty skeptical regarding a Kroot mini-dex.
You have no way to know that. Even then when a product stops selling or being supported they let it sell until its gone. Your telling me every last Kroot thing sold out at the exact same time? it seems a little unusual. Not only that but FW had a sale on them like they needed them gone tomorrow if I recall correctly. That doesn't seem to be slowly letting them phase out. it seems like they got an order to sell them out as fast as possible. It seems like someone had ideas of their own for them GW. Why not stop production and let them just sell out slowly over time at full price and not add them back? Like SOB or so many other models.
Again, I doubt they'll drop Kroot. They are a common part of many Tau armies and I'm sure there would be a backlash if people could no longer use them without house-rules/proxying.
I doubt Kroot will get any love if there is a new codex in a few weeks but I suppose it's possible. I really doubt though that they'll get cut back any further. It would be nice to get another "allied" unit as that was one thing that drew me to Tau before the days fo "ally with anyone" or worse yet "unbound".
I have said this before but Kroot getting shifted to direct only probably means they are going to get reboxed. The current Kroot box is 16 models. I assume that will go down to 12 or 8 regular plus 2 special kroot, like was done with the ork boyz or eldar guardians.
As for Forgeworld removing stuff, ever since the redo of Taros stuff has quietly been dissapearing. i think the month after the 2nd ed version was released BFG was axed.
Mecha_buddha wrote: I have said this before but Kroot getting shifted to direct only probably means they are going to get reboxed. The current Kroot box is 16 models. I assume that will go down to 12 or 8 regular plus 2 special kroot, like was done with the ork boyz or eldar guardians.
As for Forgeworld removing stuff, ever since the redo of Taros stuff has quietly been dissapearing. i think the month after the 2nd ed version was released BFG was axed.
That would mean a new spruce or a recut but i doubt either will happen.
My guess based on what GW has done over the last few releases is we will see the farsight mini dex come out first then we will see Tau with a bunch of formations. Kroot will probably be in the Tau dex but eventually get a mini dex similar to the harlequins. I will also bet there is a riptide heavy formation and would not be surprised to see some type of alpha strike formation. Not betting on D unless it is something where hammerheads link up similar to the eldar tanks. Just my guess though.
FW is a resin company and unlike the molds for plastic and metal, the silicone molds have a limited lifespan of about 6 months. That means that a slow selling product requires the molds to be replaced on a regular basis and it makes sense that they would cycle their molds at roughly the same time. If they have slow sellers that aren't paying back the cost of the mold investment it would be an opportune to take those out of service for a time.
It's been a very long time since they released the Taros campaign books and that tends to curb interests quite a bit, they phased out quite a few of the Tau items like the hammerhead turrets and defensive turrets in addition to the kroot items. That'd indicate that they were fairly slow sellers over the last couple years.
paulson games wrote: FW is a resin company and unlike the molds for plastic and metal, the silicone molds have a limited lifespan of about 6 months. That means that a slow selling product requires the molds to be replaced on a regular basis and it makes sense that they would cycle their molds at roughly the same time. If they have slow sellers that aren't paying back the cost of the mold investment it would be an opportune to take those out of service for a time.
It's been a very long time since they released the Taros campaign books and that tends to curb interests quite a bit, they phased out quite a few of the Tau items like the hammerhead turrets and defensive turrets in addition to the kroot items. That'd indicate that they were fairly slow sellers over the last couple years.
Yeah thats basically what the form letter i got from FW said when i asked about kroot stuff going missing.
If they just let the taros book wither and all the units go away then I get it, but we got an update and release of a 2nd edition after the 6th ed tau codex came out. Then FW almost immediately started dropping model support. i feel like it was hey buy this updated book so we can turn that money into a new awesome 30k book.
Maybe they were considering doing it for a while since by that point it was a long time since both the Taros book and the 4e codex came out. It's possible they used the release of the new codex to see if it drove additional ancillary purchases of the older FW stuff. If by that indicator it didn't, they might have decided to just permanently retire it. Maybe they'll bring it out again for a limited time with the new rumored book.
I find it odd that there has never been a TAU unit that does repair? At least not that I know of. Seems all of the suits would benefit from some sort of instance of that and their technology would be more than capable of this.
Cult of My Boy Blue wrote: I find it odd that there has never been a TAU unit that does repair? At least not that I know of. Seems all of the suits would benefit from some sort of instance of that and their technology would be more than capable of this.
Cult of My Boy Blue wrote: I find it odd that there has never been a TAU unit that does repair? At least not that I know of. Seems all of the suits would benefit from some sort of instance of that and their technology would be more than capable of this.
And even if they did have rules they'd be in a FW-exclusive book that's almost $100, and are over $20 just for a pack of two drones, not including shipping costs. Kinda ridiculous for a couple of tiny drones.
That, and the existence of the FW warhound titan and FW Mechanicum didn't stop people from constantly demanding plastic titans and plastic Ad Mech from GW proper, and this would be far easier to convert into plastic and stick in the new crisis suit or fire warrior box that are supposed to be coming out.
I picked up a pair at a local store swap meet and plan on using them as the pathfinder grav whatever drones (can't recall the name at the moment). That seemed like a natural fit even if you have the Taros book.
The Tau Codex is coming, but no real ETA I can share at the moment. In it Tau will get 2 new suits, one larger than a riptide, another smaller than a riptide.
Oh good. A painting guide. It'd be nice to have one for Tau as I'm not entirely sure what paints they use for their skin (My friend plays Tau so I have killed a few in games- going to put heads on some of my Necron bases)
I'm still on the old colours, so I use codex grey with an asurmen blue wash when I have to do skin. Which I try to avoid as much as possible, Tau are the last army that should be running round without full armour.
Personally, as a very long time tau player my hope for a new book is the same for every codex: a strong book, which supports many different builds/play styles.
The current book, while having some very strong units - suffers greatly from internal balance and flexibility.
This is a result from a lack of many options limited to few units, some units exceptionally good, and many units not very good.
(many pieces of wargear or critical weapons are not available in more than a couple (or in some cases, only one) units).
This leads to tau players not having as much flexibility in their builds, and opponents of tau, becoming frustrated or annoyed in facing some of the same strong units.
(kind of like getting tired of grav weapons when you face marines....).
There are the obvious suspects - that need improvement to enhance the diversity of our lists, but even more so than buffing the terrible units - I just wish they would include the forgeworld units. The designs are amazing, and the models are just plain gorgeous.
(a plastic barracuda kit, would be like printing money for gw stockholders).
We will see how well gw knows their customers - sadly, their track record on this is not the best.
Here is hoping its as good as the marine codex (supports tons of builds) but not as good as the eldar (no commnet necessary).
The legs, well the "hips" aren't from the crisis suit.
Finecast Commander kit? Because they look complete different to me.
I'd love to see some proof that these are conversions, the one on the top left looks a bit like a broadside but has a different chest piece that maybe represents that 2+ armour upgrade that I can't remember the name of.
I think they are old conversions of the guy who designed the new suits - I think they were in an old blog, or a white dwarf etc.
He had collars on this crisis suits, and that later showed up in the broadside design. I remember the article where he talked about designing the broadsides, and the new riptide.
Yup, we'll find out if GW went through the expense and effort to make a core plastic kit for the iconic figure in a line that was getting a new codex for the first time in 10 years, decided to picture it in the supplement that came out a month later, and then proceeded to not make any money on it by not releasing it for the next 2-3 years. Yup, we'll see.
From ATT, posted by Mark Tait aka warhound who is friends with several of the GW studio crew including Matt Holland (who built the suits in that picture). Several of Matt's old conversions had influence on the revised designs for the Broadside and Fine cast Commander. Matt sculpted the newer finecast Commander Farsight model and the Riptide.
Hey guys
to nip this in the bud, these suits are the creation of Mr Matt Holland of Riptide, Farsight and Pathfinder fame.
I have actually held them in the flesh, and while nice conversions, are not the suits that you are looking for.
I would anticipate that MH will be working on (or would have worked on the suits when they were done months ago) in a similar vein to these,.... but they will look different to these!
Now, lets settle in and await the stomp of something heavier.
These were some of Matt's old conversions that were originally hosted on the GW website back in the day before he was brought on with the studio. You'll note that the missile launcher uses the exact same burst cannon bits in it's conversion but the shown ones below are 7-8 years old (at least). It's all his conversion work and not an official kit that's been hidden in plain site for 2 years...
Which is certainly the same models and the same photo, but it was cropped differently to cut out the models that showed up today on the far left. So the jury is still out as those models do look like either new models or absolutely top shelf conversions.
I think everyone in the community has an itchy trigger-finger these days regarding new 40K releases.
BOLS is too eager to pass on any possible rumors usually without doing much digging to verify facts, hence why I place very little faith in their posts. :/
It's not hard to make a functional waist on the stock kit, all you need is some plastic card and greenstuff. Some people use a fire warrior shoulder pad as a groin plate (or you grab one of the icon "cogs" from a stealth suit which I think is used on ones pictured in the farsight codex) You can also use a pair of shield generators for the hip connection, which is a conversion I've done to make several kits look like this:
That conversion is slick. Looks like it would be a "drone suit" imho. Completely AI controlled. Perhaps running in formation with a Tau piloted crisis suit.
I'm hopeful that the new Crisis suits will be based off of those conversions like the new Broadside clearly was.
DarknessEternal wrote: Can someone change the title of this thread to "definitely not new suits"
That would be an improvement from "Poaaiblw New Crisis Suits". Pretre, were you drinking and thread updating at the same time?
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paulson games wrote: BOLS is too eager to pass on any possible rumors usually without doing much digging to verify facts, hence why I place very little faith in their posts. :/
It's not hard to make a functional waist on the stock kit, all you need is some plastic card and greenstuff. Some people use a fire warrior shoulder pad as a groin plate (or you grab one of the icon "cogs" from a stealth suit which I think is used on ones pictured in the farsight codex) You can also use a pair of shield generators for the hip connection, which is a conversion I've done to make several kits look like this:
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Looks very cool. Did you start with the xv84 Forgeworld suit or make the various knee/shoulder pads from scratch?
BOLS has a purpose. It's a good place to catch up on day old news if you don't get the chance to follow online forums like Dakka on a daily basis (or hourly for fast evolving rumors). It's kind of like the difference between buying fresh baked bread at a bakery that is still fragrant and warm straight out of the oven (dakka) and buying manager's special bread at 50% off because it is about to expire the next day (BOLS) that you have to double check to make sure it isn't moldy already. They're the discount stale bread of tabletop gaming news and rumors.
agnosto wrote: Hard to believe they'd make new suits with the same, weak ankles...that's what made me think "fake".
I don't know. I actually think the new Broadsides have the absolute worst ankles so far so it wouldn't surprise me if they kept it up. I really wish they'd go away from the tip toe design because it is extremely annoying.
I have always figured September to be pie-in-the-sky hopes. I am hanging my hat on the October date, personally. Its been the most consistent of inconsistent Tau rumors :-D
Looks like the instructions for that Tau supremacy suit that was pictured a few months back. If its 280 euros ($312) thats not too bad. I was expecting it to be worse.
Are those sample instructions, or has forgeworld finally decided to try and show how to assemble the models without a vague grey scale set that looks like it was printed on a 1980's dot matrix printer?
Nocturus wrote: Are those sample instructions, or has forgeworld finally decided to try and show how to assemble the models without a vague grey scale set that looks like it was printed on a 1980's dot matrix printer?
Aww, where's the fun in that?!
Seriously, the amount of time I've spent poring over the pictures on the FW website, trying to figure out where this bit goes is just silly.
I think I might be starting Tau just because of that supremacy suit.
Nocturus wrote: Are those sample instructions, or has forgeworld finally decided to try and show how to assemble the models without a vague grey scale set that looks like it was printed on a 1980's dot matrix printer?
FW apparently now has someone new whose job is to just make instructions. This is part of that slow grinding push to make FW more accessible.
Nocturus wrote: Are those sample instructions, or has forgeworld finally decided to try and show how to assemble the models without a vague grey scale set that looks like it was printed on a 1980's dot matrix printer?
Aww, where's the fun in that?!
Seriously, the amount of time I've spent poring over the pictures on the FW website, trying to figure out where this bit goes is just silly.
LOL. Yeah, they could definitely give you a nice rotatable image like the GW ones Or at least a few different angles.
Actually on their new website I've noticed quite a few things have rotatable images now. But yeah I think there's a guy at FW whose whole job is to make the instructions so hopefully we'll start seeing more of them.
ImAGeek wrote: Actually on their new website I've noticed quite a few things have rotatable images now. But yeah I think there's a guy at FW whose whole job is to make the instructions so hopefully we'll start seeing more of them.
Yup! I guess it was that gal who took photos and did a Reddit AMA
The photos on the new site are generally much better than the old one.
Vector Strike wrote: That one resembles XV9's fusion cascade weapons. But yes, there's still another arm weapon we have yet to see
Isn't each barrel almost identical to the alternate hammerhead turret gun that practically no one uses? My guess would be that it is a souped up version of that as a base.
Vector Strike wrote: That one resembles XV9's fusion cascade weapons. But yes, there's still another arm weapon we have yet to see
Isn't each barrel almost identical to the alternate hammerhead turret gun that practically no one uses? My guess would be that it is a souped up version of that as a base.
What, Railguns?
From what I've seen people use Ion Cannons, if they actually field Hammerheads.
The Fusion Cascade weapons he mentioned are quite different.
So, since we have build pics of the new tau titan, two questions;
1 - does this mean someone has one? Or is that a fw employee's workdesk?
2 - what are the odds this bad boy might be in the new codex?
Yeah, yeah, I know they seem to have a new policy of not including units that don't have models - but speculatively, that would be an amazing way to launch the new FW/GW ordering integration - put a new FW unit in a new codex.
Vector Strike wrote: That one resembles XV9's fusion cascade weapons. But yes, there's still another arm weapon we have yet to see
Isn't each barrel almost identical to the alternate hammerhead turret gun that practically no one uses? My guess would be that it is a souped up version of that as a base.
What, Railguns?
From what I've seen people use Ion Cannons, if they actually field Hammerheads.
The Fusion Cascade weapons he mentioned are quite different.
You have an odd local meta if they use ion cannons much more than hammerheads... but yes I was referring to the Ion loadout.
Vector Strike wrote: That one resembles XV9's fusion cascade weapons. But yes, there's still another arm weapon we have yet to see
Isn't each barrel almost identical to the alternate hammerhead turret gun that practically no one uses? My guess would be that it is a souped up version of that as a base.
What, Railguns?
From what I've seen people use Ion Cannons, if they actually field Hammerheads.
The Fusion Cascade weapons he mentioned are quite different.
You have an odd local meta if they use ion cannons much more than hammerheads... but yes I was referring to the Ion loadout.
The keywords there were "if they actually field Hammerheads".
Vehicles, in general, aren't considered that great in 7th edition if they're not Superheavies.
I Just hope the unit is decent - too many times we see new units that do that jobs we don't have problems doing already (really, the bomb on the sunshark is S5AP5? Who had a lack of S5 weapons in their tau army?).
I don't need yet another platform with S5/6/7 weapons.
Regardless, the model is starting to grow on me (did not like it as much at first) so if the rules are good (or its in the codex, and the rules are good) I will be put this guy into my hobby budget.
davethepak wrote:So, since we have build pics of the new tau titan, two questions;
1 - does this mean someone has one? Or is that a fw employee's workdesk?
2 - what are the odds this bad boy might be in the new codex?
Yeah, yeah, I know they seem to have a new policy of not including units that don't have models - but speculatively, that would be an amazing way to launch the new FW/GW ordering integration - put a new FW unit in a new codex.
Thoughts?
1- Yes. The guys posting picks bought one at FW Open Day in Amsterdan.
2- Zero. It's FW, it'll come in IA14
Mr Morden wrote: don;t like it - it looks like what the Orks would do with Tau tech :(
Strap as many guns on the body as possible - then put a few more on................
Yeah, looks stupid as hell.
I think it looks awesome! Reminds me of certain Gundam models.
How much am I allowed to laugh manically if it turns out the only Tau release is Imperial Armour 14 with their new superheavy suit? Bonus popcorn for every time something massively differs from the current codex and/or is a sloppy oversight on their rules writing.
So far, we have confirmed that Tau are getting a new FW superheavy unit. There might be an Imperial Armour to go with it, there might not. It has also been confirmed that Bell of Lost Souls is useless clickbait, Larry Vela never fact-checks anything and relies on Faeit212 for speculation, and most previous Tau rumors appear to have been "leaked" from the GW janitorial section.
Hey, at least the Tau are confirmed to get something in the near future!
I think it looks awesome! Reminds me of certain Gundam models.
Indeed it does! If I end up ever getting one, I might shrink the nipple turrets a bit with a conversion but otherwise I think it looks great and gives the Tau an appropriate big robot to compete with the Imperium. I'm really glad that Forgeworld and GW are evolving the Tau as their fluff would dictate instead of keeping them stale like the fan fiction people made up over 10+ years would have it be.
Mr Morden wrote: don;t like it - it looks like what the Orks would do with Tau tech :(
Strap as many guns on the body as possible - then put a few more on................
Yeah, looks stupid as hell.
Thirded. This has been increasingly the trend with GW and FW, stick absurd amount of guns to the models. If Dreadnought was designed today, in addition to its arms weapons it would carry torso, knee and head guns.
TheNewBlood wrote: So far, we have confirmed that Tau are getting a new FW superheavy unit. There might be an Imperial Armour to go with it, there might not.
Dude, the own FW sculptors said that there will be an IA14 with Tau. That's not just rumour.
The design is kind of hit or miss with me but overall I like it. Reminds me of the Koenig Monster.
I do think the arms are a bit stubby for my taste. I definitely would prefer them to be just a bit longer.
My only real complaint is that the chest guns are just silly. They are on turrets but with the arms blocking much of their range, they may as well not be. It just looks silly to me the way it is.
Savageconvoy wrote: The design is kind of hit or miss with me but overall I like it. Reminds me of the Koenig Monster.
I do think the arms are a bit stubby for my taste. I definitely would prefer them to be just a bit longer.
My only real complaint is that the chest guns are just silly. They are on turrets but with the arms blocking much of their range, they may as well not be. It just looks silly to me the way it is.
Any word on how much this thing costs?
280 Euros, so cheaper than the body of a Warhound Titan.
TheNewBlood wrote: So far, we have confirmed that Tau are getting a new FW superheavy unit. There might be an Imperial Armour to go with it, there might not.
Dude, the own FW sculptors said that there will be an IA14 with Tau. That's not just rumour.
Awesome! So now we know what the Tau release will be: Imperial Armour 14 Macross Edition
TheNewBlood wrote: So far, we have confirmed that Tau are getting a new FW superheavy unit. There might be an Imperial Armour to go with it, there might not.
Dude, the own FW sculptors said that there will be an IA14 with Tau. That's not just rumour.
Did he mention what tau would be fighting? ( ad mech??)
Savageconvoy wrote: The three barreled cannon arm is basically just three ion cannons strapped together.
The arm of many barrels definitely looks like the fusion cascades because of the over/under barrel designs.
It's really like they tried to put every weapon available on this suit.
It's like half of the used crisis suits you'll find on ebay, where some new player who didn't read the codex yet glued every weapon in the box to the suit at the same time.
I really don't like that part of it. I thought the tau were more about bringing the right weapon for the job and switching loadouts between missions instead of bringing ALL the guns. At the very least they could have mounted those guns an missile in the chest a la Gundam Heavyarms.
Savageconvoy wrote: The three barreled cannon arm is basically just three ion cannons strapped together.
The arm of many barrels definitely looks like the fusion cascades because of the over/under barrel designs.
It's really like they tried to put every weapon available on this suit.
It's like half of the used crisis suits you'll find on ebay, where some new player who didn't read the codex yet glued every weapon in the box to the suit at the same time.
I really don't like that part of it. I thought the tau were more about bringing the right weapon for the job and switching loadouts between missions instead of bringing ALL the guns. At the very least they could have mounted those guns an missile in the chest a la Gundam Heavyarms.
The arms are not meant to have two separate loadouts.
They're showing an OPTIONAL arm loadout. Hence why it's greyed out.
Savageconvoy wrote: The three barreled cannon arm is basically just three ion cannons strapped together.
The arm of many barrels definitely looks like the fusion cascades because of the over/under barrel designs.
It's really like they tried to put every weapon available on this suit.
It's like half of the used crisis suits you'll find on ebay, where some new player who didn't read the codex yet glued every weapon in the box to the suit at the same time.
I really don't like that part of it. I thought the tau were more about bringing the right weapon for the job and switching loadouts between missions instead of bringing ALL the guns. At the very least they could have mounted those guns an missile in the chest a la Gundam Heavyarms.
The arms are not meant to have two separate loadouts.
They're showing an OPTIONAL arm loadout. Hence why it's greyed out.
He meant the chest mounted burst cannons and missile pods.
Which I really don't get the hatred for. Clearly, they're meant to be point-defense weapons. Yeah, they could have a better field of fire, but still, point-defense weapons and not something I get the general dislike for.
If that's true it means there's a new possibility that the Kroot are gone and we're getting a new type of troop (like an earlier rumor speculated).
I still want to hope the Kroot will get a minidex but it seems very unlikely.
Still it looks like many of the rumors are coming true. So I hope we get cool jet pack troops. If I am allowed to wish list here.
The new crisis suit was an easy one since its basically all but confirmed that and the crisis commander.
That leaves the new rumored troop choice made from the FW, the new suit smaller than a Riptide (could be the XV8 resculpt) and the new suit bigger than the Riptide. Also the hope we get tau Terrain/Fortification.
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For the record I think the KX-134 looks amazing. I fully intend to bring tears to all my foes faces with it.
angelofvengeance wrote:I'm going to laugh my arse off if those pics that got posted in here earlier, aren't actually conversions
Why so skeptical? The model is exactly the same seen in the Open Day, even with the boxes and instructions manual. No reason to think it's a fake.
Whole lot of people talking at cross purposes today.
What he meant is the Crisis suit pictures that were linked by BoLS, from the Farsight Enclaves book, which were converted.
Now, if there are new suits, there IS a good chance they'll have some resemblance to the converted suits from those pictures, since the guy who converted them used many of the design elements he put on the conversions into the Broadside and Riptide suits, such as the high collar.
Honestly I don't want to be in a position where Tau are on top again just to have everyone bemoaning every little issue. Like how suddenly in 6th the pulse rifle is automatically too good and the JSJ thing is overpowered, despite being terrible in the old codex and relatively unchanged.
Savageconvoy wrote: Honestly I don't want to be in a position where Tau are on top again just to have everyone bemoaning every little issue. Like how suddenly in 6th the pulse rifle is automatically too good and the JSJ thing is overpowered, despite being terrible in the old codex and relatively unchanged.
Believe me, I'm expecting a storm of epic proportions when the Tau codex is released. It'll make Eldar look like a mild breeze.
TheNewBlood wrote: So far, we have confirmed that Tau are getting a new FW superheavy unit. There might be an Imperial Armour to go with it, there might not.
Dude, the own FW sculptors said that there will be an IA14 with Tau. That's not just rumour.
Did he mention what tau would be fighting? ( ad mech??)
Sorry , don't mean to derail.
Ogryns in Sentinels, directed by Ad mech with kastelan Mk II robots. Late in the war, tyranids begin to develop power armor after all the marines they've digested.
It looks awesome. By far the highest quality and most modern design of any in the picture. It's also highly poseable, which is really a dream come true. It's debatable whether good designs and functional looking mechs actually look out of place in the 40K universe, considering the comical looking Dreadnoughts etc that would just flip over if they ever tried to walk, but nevertheless this new Tau model is awesome. To me, it completes the Tau range so that they too have a mega model available for collectors or those who like larger games.
It looks awesome. By far the highest quality and most modern design of any in the picture. It's also highly poseable, which is really a dream come true. It's debatable whether good designs and functional looking mechs actually look out of place in the 40K universe, considering the comical looking Dreadnoughts etc that would just flip over if they ever tried to walk, but nevertheless this new Tau model is awesome. To me, it completes the Tau range so that they too have a mega model available for collectors or those who like larger games.
Dawn of War for PC does actually give you good idea of how the Dreadnoughts walk around.
As for the Tau- they already had 2 mega sized models for 40K. The Orca drop ship (now OOP from the look of things) and the Manta. As well as a load of smaller flyers.
chaos0xomega wrote: YOu mean the Manta wasnt a mega model for collectors/those who like larger games?
Nah man, the Manta was a themed Tau army storage solution .
Right on the money. Flyers, especially super heavy ones, are impractical to the point of ridiculous on standard tabletops. Even more so than Titans and artillery.
I know a number of Tau players who felt they don't have a real super heavy vehicle, like Imperium, Chaos, Eldar, Orks and Nids do. Now they do.
I think it's super close to being amazing, but misses the mark by a little. It's chest sticks out a bit too much IMO, and it's head needs to be bigger.
Why does the head "Need to be bigger"? If you know anything about Tau battle suits you know that the head contain nothing more then a set of cameras and sensors letting the pilots that are compleately in the chest see whats going on, And the Tau do nothing that isent nececary. Does bigger head increase the capabilities of the suit? No? then it wont get a bigger head.
Merellin wrote: Why does the head "Need to be bigger"? If you know anything about Tau battle suits you know that the head contain nothing more then a set of cameras and sensors letting the pilots that are compleately in the chest see whats going on, And the Tau do nothing that isent nececary. Does bigger head increase the capabilities of the suit? No? then it wont get a bigger head.
Nope, old fluff about how the Tau don't make stupid edifices like the IOM don't work anymore, as evidenced by the shift "giant walkers are dumb, let's just shoot them from orbit" to "LOOK ATMA ION CANNON HANDS PEW PEW PEW!"
A smaller head not only looks better (your mileage may vary) but emphasises the bulk and size of the body. The head makes the suit look even bigger than it is in scale, and adds an impression of fine detail. Your eyes can't be sure of the scale.
Babies have large heads and small bodies. Bodybuilders have large bodies smaller heads by comparison. The Warhound in the picture is an example of the opposite design, where the head is about half the size of the torso.
Merellin wrote: Why does the head "Need to be bigger"? If you know anything about Tau battle suits you know that the head contain nothing more then a set of cameras and sensors letting the pilots that are compleately in the chest see whats going on, And the Tau do nothing that isent nececary. Does bigger head increase the capabilities of the suit? No? then it wont get a bigger head.
Nope, old fluff about how the Tau don't make stupid edifices like the IOM don't work anymore, as evidenced by the shift "giant walkers are dumb, let's just shoot them from orbit" to "LOOK ATMA ION CANNON HANDS PEW PEW PEW!"
Or the Tau have come to realize that in a galaxy where everyone else has massive robots and monsters, and air superiority is far from guaranteed, maybe the races that have been fighting for tens of thousands or millions of years have a point when it comes to giant walkers.
Merellin wrote: Why does the head "Need to be bigger"? If you know anything about Tau battle suits you know that the head contain nothing more then a set of cameras and sensors letting the pilots that are compleately in the chest see whats going on, And the Tau do nothing that isent nececary. Does bigger head increase the capabilities of the suit? No? then it wont get a bigger head.
Because it looks stupid, that's why. If we were going for maximum efficiency, it wouldn't even have head, but it's there for looks. I just think the size of the head relative to the rest of the model is stupidly small.
I always thought the large heads on units like the Warhound were partly psychological - many predators have large heads with big jaws and so helps with the intimidation factor.
This also fits in with the limited personality engrams that the Warhound has?
oh and rule of cool of course - that wins.
I like Ork stuff where they just weld loads guns together - I had hoped that the Tau would show their cleanness of design and efficiency and hence appear the opposite. Then again I am not a fan of the over the top anime designs it obviously modelled on.
If it was a Archer, Marauder or Warhammer lookalike then hell yeah.............
There's nothing efficient about a bipedal walker war machine with chicken ankles a ridiculously high centre of gravity anyway. This is also a game with scaled-down tanks that are too tall still, rifles fatter than your hip and swords taller than a man. Any practicality-based assessments are kinda moot.
Merellin wrote: Why does the head "Need to be bigger"? If you know anything about Tau battle suits you know that the head contain nothing more then a set of cameras and sensors letting the pilots that are compleately in the chest see whats going on, And the Tau do nothing that isent nececary. Does bigger head increase the capabilities of the suit? No? then it wont get a bigger head.
Because it looks stupid, that's why. If we were going for maximum efficiency, it wouldn't even have head, but it's there for looks. I just think the size of the head relative to the rest of the model is stupidly small.
The head is required so the Tau pilot doesn't get "simulator sickness". Battlesuits are linked directly to their nervous system and becomes their body, which is why they are more agile than Imperium walkers. If the cameras were located on the chest, it would make the pilot feel like their head is in their chest, as well as restrict instinctual/trained head movement, and the disconnect between what they are experiencing and what the brain expects will cause them to become sick, since the only logical explination for the brain is the pilot is poisoned and needs to vomit.
You can get the same effect from a poorly made Oculus Rift game. Have a bucket nearby.
Merellin wrote: Why does the head "Need to be bigger"? If you know anything about Tau battle suits you know that the head contain nothing more then a set of cameras and sensors letting the pilots that are compleately in the chest see whats going on, And the Tau do nothing that isent nececary. Does bigger head increase the capabilities of the suit? No? then it wont get a bigger head.
Nope, old fluff about how the Tau don't make stupid edifices like the IOM don't work anymore, as evidenced by the shift "giant walkers are dumb, let's just shoot them from orbit" to "LOOK ATMA ION CANNON HANDS PEW PEW PEW!"
Or the Tau have come to realize that in a galaxy where everyone else has massive robots and monsters, and air superiority is far from guaranteed, maybe the races that have been fighting for tens of thousands or millions of years have a point when it comes to giant walkers.
If you don't have air superiority than your giant walker is dead anyway since it's going to just get bombed back to the stone age by the other guy's air/space assets.
There is no in-universe situation where a giant bi-pedal robot would be more ideal than a mobile flyer/skimmer. Like Centurions, the only reason this unit exists is because it looks cool.
There's nothing wrong with that... but let's call a spade a spade.
Merellin wrote: Why does the head "Need to be bigger"? If you know anything about Tau battle suits you know that the head contain nothing more then a set of cameras and sensors letting the pilots that are compleately in the chest see whats going on, And the Tau do nothing that isent nececary. Does bigger head increase the capabilities of the suit? No? then it wont get a bigger head.
Nope, old fluff about how the Tau don't make stupid edifices like the IOM don't work anymore, as evidenced by the shift "giant walkers are dumb, let's just shoot them from orbit" to "LOOK ATMA ION CANNON HANDS PEW PEW PEW!"
Or the Tau have come to realize that in a galaxy where everyone else has massive robots and monsters, and air superiority is far from guaranteed, maybe the races that have been fighting for tens of thousands or millions of years have a point when it comes to giant walkers.
If you don't have air superiority than your giant walker is dead anyway since it's going to just get bombed back to the stone age by the other guy's air/space assets.
There is no in-universe situation where a giant bi-pedal robot would be more ideal than a mobile flyer/skimmer. Like Centurions, the only reason this unit exists is because it looks cool.
There's nothing wrong with that... but let's call a spade a spade.
Let's be honest, when you have mile-long starships that can virus-bomb, split apart or incinerate a planet, the pretext for launching a ground assault is pretty flimsy anyway.
Mr Morden wrote: I always thought the large heads on units like the Warhound were partly psychological - many predators have large heads with big jaws and so helps with the intimidation factor.
This also fits in with the limited personality engrams that the Warhound has?
oh and rule of cool of course - that wins.
I like Ork stuff where they just weld loads guns together - I had hoped that the Tau would show their cleanness of design and efficiency and hence appear the opposite. Then again I am not a fan of the over the top anime designs it obviously modelled on.
If it was a Archer, Marauder or Warhammer lookalike then hell yeah.............
Warhounds and other titans actually house the cockpit for the pilot to sit in, pilots for Tau suits sit in the chest area, think dreadnought but not filled with half-decayed dead guy.
I'm just saying it's a full blown ret-con of Tau, to then scale of Necrons going from faceless, emotionless, robot skeletons to colorful, personality based, undead robots. Tau are changing from clean, efficient, designs not based on being scary edifices to "STRAHP ON MOAR GUNZ!".
Tau previously didn't make giant walkers explicitly because they are inefficient. Then GW decided they could sell boatloads of giant robots, and Tau fluff started changing. I'm curious to read the new codex and see just how far they change it, and if they go full Necron it.
As for the head on the giant dumb walker, I think the small head looks great. Unlike the stupid Ion Cannon hands.
maceria wrote: I'm just saying it's a full blown ret-con of Tau, to then scale of Necrons going from faceless, emotionless, robot skeletons to colorful, personality based, undead robots. Tau are changing from clean, efficient, designs not based on being scary edifices to "STRAHP ON MOAR GUNZ!".
Tau previously didn't make giant walkers explicitly because they are inefficient. Then GW decided they could sell boatloads of giant robots, and Tau fluff started changing. I'm curious to read the new codex and see just how far they change it, and if they go full Necron it.
As for the head on the giant dumb walker, I think the small head looks great. Unlike the stupid Ion Cannon hands.
Yeah, I know but the fact is that fliers pretty much suck and one-shot Tau super-heavy fliers are pretty bad in the game anyway. Instead of fixing the rules, forgeworld continues the GW trend of "big stompies for everybody! derrr" producing a giant model with a commensurate price tag (I'm sure).
I see it like a big Broadside; really just a big artillery platform with legs. I agree that the gun hands just being guns strapped to guns look a bit silly on a Tau suit, though I really like the shoulder ones.
It's Tau. It's not like they're replacing their entire military and methods of warfare with giant robots. This suit could be a test, a proof-of-concept. It could find a niche (insert "battlesuits are otiose in a niche" comment), or it might not. If it does, they'll deploy them in ways that cater to the strengths and weaknesses of the suit. If they don't, then they'll stop making them (Tau, not Forge World).
Mr Morden wrote: I always thought the large heads on units like the Warhound were partly psychological - many predators have large heads with big jaws and so helps with the intimidation factor.
This also fits in with the limited personality engrams that the Warhound has?
oh and rule of cool of course - that wins.
I like Ork stuff where they just weld loads guns together - I had hoped that the Tau would show their cleanness of design and efficiency and hence appear the opposite. Then again I am not a fan of the over the top anime designs it obviously modelled on.
If it was a Archer, Marauder or Warhammer lookalike then hell yeah.............
Warhounds and other titans actually house the cockpit for the pilot to sit in, pilots for Tau suits sit in the chest area, think dreadnought but not filled with half-decayed dead guy.
Yeah I know but with that in mind making your head look like a giant menacing predators head seems a good thing
Merellin wrote: Why does the head "Need to be bigger"? If you know anything about Tau battle suits you know that the head contain nothing more then a set of cameras and sensors letting the pilots that are compleately in the chest see whats going on, And the Tau do nothing that isent nececary. Does bigger head increase the capabilities of the suit? No? then it wont get a bigger head.
Don't care, it looks dumb IMHO, so I swap them out with bigger, better looking heads.
Merellin wrote: Why does the head "Need to be bigger"? If you know anything about Tau battle suits you know that the head contain nothing more then a set of cameras and sensors letting the pilots that are compleately in the chest see whats going on, And the Tau do nothing that isent nececary. Does bigger head increase the capabilities of the suit? No? then it wont get a bigger head.
Because it looks stupid, that's why. If we were going for maximum efficiency, it wouldn't even have head, but it's there for looks. I just think the size of the head relative to the rest of the model is stupidly small.
If anyone at all in 40k was interested in maximum efficiency, there wouldn't be any mecha/titans/knights/dreadnoughts/battlesuits bigger than, say, stealth suits. Along with a whole host of other poorly designed vehicles and weapons of war.
I personally think a loadout that heavy would've looked better on a suit/hover tank hybrid a la Lord of Skulls but with grav-tech, like if the upper body were mounted on a giant devilfish sorta thing. All those guns look like it would knock it flat on its butt when fired.
Merellin wrote: Why does the head "Need to be bigger"? If you know anything about Tau battle suits you know that the head contain nothing more then a set of cameras and sensors letting the pilots that are compleately in the chest see whats going on, And the Tau do nothing that isent nececary. Does bigger head increase the capabilities of the suit? No? then it wont get a bigger head.
Don't care, it looks dumb IMHO, so I swap them out with bigger, better looking heads.
Merellin wrote: Why does the head "Need to be bigger"? If you know anything about Tau battle suits you know that the head contain nothing more then a set of cameras and sensors letting the pilots that are compleately in the chest see whats going on, And the Tau do nothing that isent nececary. Does bigger head increase the capabilities of the suit? No? then it wont get a bigger head.
Because it looks stupid, that's why. If we were going for maximum efficiency, it wouldn't even have head, but it's there for looks. I just think the size of the head relative to the rest of the model is stupidly small.
If anyone at all in 40k was interested in maximum efficiency, there wouldn't be any mecha/titans/knights/dreadnoughts/battlesuits bigger than, say, stealth suits. Along with a whole host of other poorly designed vehicles and weapons of war.
Exactly. If it's going to be there for looks, we might as well make it look cool.
pax macharia wrote: I personally think a loadout that heavy would've looked better on a suit/hover tank hybrid a la Lord of Skulls but with grav-tech, like if the upper body were mounted on a giant devilfish sorta thing. All those guns look like it would knock it flat on its butt when fired.
For some reason it's really difficult to find good pictures of the Hildolfr from the actual episode it's in. It's from Gundam: IGLOO.
One day the Tau will have a suit so big it rivals the Emperor Class Titan. And Forgeworld will take your money and laugh.
Also relax guys. Some fairly reliable rumors have the Tau getting a super heavy skimmer tank of some kind. Not for some time, but it is being considered.
I think the titan suit looks fantastic, it's a nice throwback to the days when the Railside was good. But I'll stick with my Heavy RailgunTigershark for the foreseeable future I think... That suit is a fire-sponge, and Tau shouldn't function like that IMHO
The tigershark has D weapons, 2 structure points and I bet will be a fraction of the cost of that thing... It also carries 8 seeker missiles.
While it's speculation I also think our new troop choice will use carbines and jetpacks. It would be cool to have more mobile troops to work with our mobile style of warfare.
So a big huge ass missile suit Tau bigger than a Riptide.
Possible new XV8 kit options (again I can hope).
New Crisis Commander Kit.
Finally a new suit smaller than a Riptide. Well that's too broad for me to figure out.
I hope those Kroot rumors pan out as well and we get them in their own codex. I know it's been explained why this is not likely but I can hope dammit.
Also since so many of the Tau rumors are bearing fruit from way earlier this year a reliable rumor put us at getting a fortification.
The on the FW side of things we got the Supremacy Armor. Also someone read the rule book of the model and says "The first in a series of new Tau war machines..." but this is fluff maybe? I mean if its referencing things we haven't seen yet or are about to in Oct. then yes. Then further in the future possibly a SH skimmer tank.
"Time of the Tau" indeed. Looks like we're in for a gigantic update.
XV107 R'VARNA wrote:I think the titan suit looks fantastic, it's a nice throwback to the days when the Railside was good. But I'll stick with my Heavy RailgunTigershark for the foreseeable future I think... That suit is a fire-sponge, and Tau shouldn't function like that IMHO
The tigershark has D weapons, 2 structure points and I bet will be a fraction of the cost of that thing... It also carries 8 seeker missiles.
The KX-139 was made to counter Imperial Knights and smaller titans. It won't cost 2 or 3 times a Tiger Shark - in fact, I'd believe it'll cost similarly, if not a bit cheaper. 600ish points are ok for it.
This thing will have more than 6 HPs and D weapons as well. It's easier to hit, I agree - but can fire from turn 1.
pax macharia wrote: All those guns look like it would knock it flat on its butt when fired.
If the shoulder guns are railguns, there won't be any recoil (IIRC).
Yea newsflash. In real life railguns produce so much recoil if you fired a rail rifle we make today it will rip your arm off.
The only thing that's large enough to fire a railgun and not be torn to shreds is a freaking battleship and a lot of that has to do with the water. Even then there have been reports of quick consecutive shots nearly tipping them over at a few points and they almost took on water. So let that sink into your head a single railgun was enough to almost tip over a gigantic ship with its recoil. This is only a prototype railgun by the way. Also for the record it can fire 220 miles away or soon will be able to. It's enough to outdistance quite a few missiles.
I assume in the Tau lore they have some way to reduce recoil by a huge margin otherwise any sort of railgun short of on a huge spaceship would be impractical even dangerous.
There are some prototype missiles that are being developed that can outrange the railgun but they are just in development.
pax macharia wrote: All those guns look like it would knock it flat on its butt when fired.
If the shoulder guns are railguns, there won't be any recoil (IIRC).
Yea newsflash. In real life railguns produce so much recoil if you fired a rail rifle we make today it will rip your arm off.
The only thing that's large enough to fire a railgun and not be torn to shreds is a freaking battleship and a lot of that has to do with the water. Even then there have been reports of quick consecutive shots nearly tipping them over at a few points and they almost took on water. So let that sink into your head a single railgun was enough to almost tip over a gigantic ship with its recoil. This is only a prototype railgun by the way. Also for the record it can fire 220 miles away or soon will be able to. It's enough to outdistance quite a few missiles.
I assume in the Tau lore they have some way to reduce recoil by a huge margin otherwise any sort of railgun short of on a huge spaceship would be impractical even dangerous.
There are some prototype missiles that are being developed that can outrange the railgun but they are just in development.
Well as railguns do have equal recoil to the force put on the round, the recoil is prolongued and less sudden than a gunshot as the force is being distributed between many magnets. This means that even though the gun is receiving equal force in the opposite direction(experienced as recoil) it is less dramatic and sudden than that of a gunshot. This means that compensators and inertial dampeners are easier to implement because the force can be more evenly and steadily distributed. This also means that since the idea of the rail rifle is a smaller caliber round, which then of course requires less force and energy to propel, which means less recoil.
The guns being mounted on battleships actually has less to do with the recoil of the gun, more the power storage required to fire a round at the speed and caliber the military is looking for. They are less interested in infantry rifles and more interested in anti-tank/ship/plane/missile weapons for the railgun.
Obviously it is easier to imagine that the tau have developed some advanced way to stabilize the weapon, etc, etc or it wouldnt be used as you say.
pax macharia wrote: All those guns look like it would knock it flat on its butt when fired.
If the shoulder guns are railguns, there won't be any recoil (IIRC).
Yea newsflash. In real life railguns produce so much recoil if you fired a rail rifle we make today it will rip your arm off.
The only thing that's large enough to fire a railgun and not be torn to shreds is a freaking battleship and a lot of that has to do with the water. Even then there have been reports of quick consecutive shots nearly tipping them over at a few points and they almost took on water. So let that sink into your head a single railgun was enough to almost tip over a gigantic ship with its recoil. This is only a prototype railgun by the way. Also for the record it can fire 220 miles away or soon will be able to. It's enough to outdistance quite a few missiles.
I assume in the Tau lore they have some way to reduce recoil by a huge margin otherwise any sort of railgun short of on a huge spaceship would be impractical even dangerous.
There are some prototype missiles that are being developed that can outrange the railgun but they are just in development.
I'm not really sure where you're getting your info from, but to date, no railgun has been affixed to any sort of naval vessel. Additionally, current railguns are nowhere near capable of "quick, consecutive shots." Also while the railguns being tested do indeed have the capability of reaching over 200 nm, they still fall far short in terms of standoff cruise missiles which can have ranges of over 1000 nm. Where the benefit of utilizing a railgun is realized is in terms of the cost per round, which is extremely low for a projectile vice a missile.
Now, the recoil of a railgun is no different than any other sort of projectile weapon at a given power level (read: Newton's Third Law of Motion). It is entirely possible to create a railgun that is capable of being fired by a person; you just have to get the power level right. The reason why railguns are perceived as being so powerful is because they are capable of accelerating a projectile far faster than chemical propellants, which are limited by their burn rates. So, yes, a railgun can indeed be extremely powerful, but it doesn't necessarily have to be, since a railgun is simply a form of linear induction motor where the amount of power input determines the acceleration of the projectile which in turn determines the recoil.
pax macharia wrote: All those guns look like it would knock it flat on its butt when fired.
If the shoulder guns are railguns, there won't be any recoil (IIRC).
Yea newsflash. In real life railguns produce so much recoil if you fired a rail rifle we make today it will rip your arm off.
The only thing that's large enough to fire a railgun and not be torn to shreds is a freaking battleship and a lot of that has to do with the water. Even then there have been reports of quick consecutive shots nearly tipping them over at a few points and they almost took on water. So let that sink into your head a single railgun was enough to almost tip over a gigantic ship with its recoil. This is only a prototype railgun by the way. Also for the record it can fire 220 miles away or soon will be able to. It's enough to outdistance quite a few missiles.
I assume in the Tau lore they have some way to reduce recoil by a huge margin otherwise any sort of railgun short of on a huge spaceship would be impractical even dangerous.
I'm going to disagree with you here, to a degree. First a note, note the recoil when it's fired at the 14 second mark.
Yes, there is recoil but it will be in proportion to the length of the pulse used to launch the payload rather than like what you see with explosive-fire weapons which have a breech of some sort and contain the explosion causing larger recoil. An example would be a Barrett sniper rifle (closed breech) vs. a should-fired rocket (open breech) the rocket has much less recoil even though it's launched with much greater force as the opposite force applied is vented out the rear of the weapon.
For a coil or rail weapon, the longer the pulse, the more opposite force will be applied. The good news is that you don't need long pulses to fire a several kilogram payload 60 miles or more with sufficient force to penetrate/destroy a target.
Here's a picture of one being fired from a wheeled platform:
The Tau can mount extremely powerful railguns on skimmers and aircraft. It is safe to assume that they have technological mastery of redirecting kinetic energy. Hammerheads are not heavy vehicles and they float, yet they are not thrown back by the recoil of each shot. This is not because there is no recoil or less recoil than a cannon (actually the opposite), but because they have the technology to make the recoil such a minor concern that they'd put it on a skimmer.
I think it looks cool. Isn't that enough? -It doesn't legitamise anything any more just because it looks more realistic. I like my fantasy fantastical and that means departing from reality in a consistent way even if it isn't a realistic one.
XV107 R'VARNA wrote:I think the titan suit looks fantastic, it's a nice throwback to the days when the Railside was good. But I'll stick with my Heavy RailgunTigershark for the foreseeable future I think... That suit is a fire-sponge, and Tau shouldn't function like that IMHO
The tigershark has D weapons, 2 structure points and I bet will be a fraction of the cost of that thing... It also carries 8 seeker missiles.
The KX-139 was made to counter Imperial Knights and smaller titans. It won't cost 2 or 3 times a Tiger Shark - in fact, I'd believe it'll cost similarly, if not a bit cheaper. 600ish points are ok for it.
This thing will have more than 6 HPs and D weapons as well. It's easier to hit, I agree - but can fire from turn 1.
That may be the case, and if it is, fantastic. However a titan doesn't fit in with the Tau Philosophy towards war. The Heavy flyers do though, they strike from a distance, are cheap to manufacture and hit hard and fast (whilst being much harder to hit)
A titan is a fire sponge and whilst that might mean in big games my Riptides live until turn 3 or 4, I'd rather hold air superiority and nuke Knights and stuff from the air.
Each to their own I guess Do like the idea of a super-heavy skimmer though, I'd love to see a Tau equivalent to the Eldar Scorpion
The KX-139 fits just fine into the Tau philosophy of war.
Especially taking into consideration that when the thing was first shown off, the poster over at Advanced Tau Tactica who picked the FW guy's brains was told that they were looking to expand upon the various concepts of Tau warfare rather than just Killing Blow or Patient Hunter.
Kanluwen wrote: The KX-139 fits just fine into the Tau philosophy of war.
Especially taking into consideration that when the thing was first shown off, the poster over at Advanced Tau Tactica who picked the FW guy's brains was told that they were looking to expand upon the various concepts of Tau warfare rather than just Killing Blow or Patient Hunter.
It's also one of the most amazing looking super heavy kits that Forgeworld has ever made in my opinion, and I'm pretty sure it will sell very well. Giant mechs never make any sense from a realism point of view, since they can be destroyed with missiles from hundreds of kilometers away, while also remaining vulnerable to ground forces, but they still look damn cool and capture our imagination.
Of course not everybody will love this model in particular, just like some people think Imperial Titans and tanks look absolutely laughable, and some think Eldar vehicles and Titans are the most beautiful designs ever while others don't care for them at all. What's unarguable though is that this Tau Titan seems to be an extremely high quality kit with incredible amounts of detail and that the end model is highly posable. In short, I love it, and will get one, despite not even playing Tau.
Enlighten us, oh marked one!
