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No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/09 18:39:24


Post by: Ahtman


Was talking to someone and they didn't like the word moist* and it got me to thinking and the only word that chafes my chaps is probably "furbaby". Are there any words you don't like?

Spoiler:
*This one is for you Amber: MOIST


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/09 19:35:05


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


More phrases for me,

Such as “back in the day”.

Which day? How far back are we going? Was I even there?

On-trend. What a meaningless phrase for fashion victims.

Influencer. Just….yuck.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/09 20:04:01


Post by: Olthannon


In the UK there's some annoying ones, furbaby is a manky one.

People say Gaff which does me right in.

There's a lot of Americanisms that are cropping up more and more.

And don't get me started on that TikTok crap.

Like Rizz.



No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/09 21:32:15


Post by: BrookM


Hacked.

It's a holdover from my IT days, but folks would claim to be hacked when an account would get taken over but nope, you were not hacked, you were phished. Might be getting terms wrong as well though haha!

And +1 for rizz, what now?


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/09 21:44:56


Post by: Overread


I'm joining the phrases group with

"I'm just saying...."

Oh and the over abundance of the word "like"


Like some people, like can't get a word out, without like, using like every like other like word!"


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/09 22:08:43


Post by: Nevelon


The over/misuse of “literally” literally kills me.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/09 22:25:06


Post by: BrookM


 Overread wrote:
Oh and the over abundance of the word "like"


Like some people, like can't get a word out, without like, using like every like other like word!"
You are quoting my brother right now and I hate it.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/09 22:30:32


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 BrookM wrote:
Hacked.

It's a holdover from my IT days, but folks would claim to be hacked when an account would get taken over but nope, you were not hacked, you were phished. Might be getting terms wrong as well though haha!

And +1 for rizz, what now?


Not as bad as “Life Hack”.

Now for a work related one. Well. Work related two.

“Obviously”. A fine word used in the correct context. But when you’re explaining something to me, and it’s new information, Do Not Use Obviously. If it was obvious, I wouldn’t have asked you, would I? Because if it was obvious, I’d know already. Pillock.

“For Some Strange Reason”. Now. Look here sonny jim. Part of my career is being able to spot lies. Another part is putting those lies into context. Sometimes people tell me fibs, because they don’t think the truth will aid them. That I can understand and tolerate. But the second I hear or read “for some strange reason” I know you’re a filthy little liar, and don’t even have the common decency to be a good liar. Because that means you flipping well do know, and you know because you’re up to your idiot neck in it, and are in fact just wasting my precious time by trying it on.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/09 22:52:32


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Unfortunately my friends have really gotten into “updog”.


 Ahtman wrote:


Spoiler:
*This one is for you Amber: MOIST


Amber Moist sounds like an underappreciated Bond girl.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/09 22:53:46


Post by: Olthannon


 Nevelon wrote:
The over/misuse of “literally” literally kills me.


Over here in the UK there is a faux posh student accent that people put on. It's not a regional accent it's seems to be a class thing and they say um, literally in such a way that it makes my bones catch fire with irritation. I think it must be Hapsburg jaw that twists their mouths in such a way as to make it mind numbing.

I think for Americans the closest similarity would be the Valley Girl accent.


PS: well done for creating a post in Off Topic that wasn't absurd enough to be immediately locked


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/09 22:56:16


Post by: insaniak


'Irregardless' is like fingernails on a blackboard.


I also struggle with the American 'I could care less'... It's 'couldn't'.


And not so much a 'don't like' as a 'what the...?' - I always have to remind myself that 'lucked out' is a good thing. Because it sounds bad.




No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/09 23:07:17


Post by: Snrub


Like
Y'all
Literally
Life Hack
Pro Tip
The reality is
I'm sorry, but...
In this Essay...
Any and all modern buzz words starting from "epic".


 Overread wrote:
Oh and the over abundance of the word "like"
This is my wife. I love her dearly, but good god woman, learn to start your sentences better.

I also know a teacher who does this. This is an intelligent, well raised woman with with a degree in teaching, who's planing her Masters and has genuine aspirations of sitting on the federal board of education. Yet EVERY. fething. SENTENCE starts with 'like'.
Drives me round the twist.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/09 23:13:39


Post by: lord_blackfang


 BrookM wrote:
Hacked.

It's a holdover from my IT days, but folks would claim to be hacked when an account would get taken over but nope, you were not hacked, you were phished. Might be getting terms wrong as well though haha!


Does it count as hacked if it was a keylogger?


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/09 23:16:31


Post by: insaniak


 BrookM wrote:
Hacked.

It's a holdover from my IT days, but folks would claim to be hacked when an account would get taken over but nope, you were not hacked, you were phished. Might be getting terms wrong as well though haha!

See also folk on Facebook complaining about being 'hacked' when it's a scammer setting up a duplicate account.



No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/09 23:24:56


Post by: Snrub


 insaniak wrote:
'Irregardless' is like fingernails on a blackboard.
Another good one.

I always have to remind myself that 'lucked out' is a good thing. Because it sounds bad.
Everyone I've known to ever use the term has said "lucked in" for good and "lucked out" for bad. It seems to only be the yanks who use it as a positive. And it really does make no sense.



More of a pronunciation issue and is therefore excusable, but another one that bugs me is people who say drug instead of dragged. "He was dragged off into the woods by a monster." Not drug off.
And pronouncing "says" as Say with an S on the end. Rather then Sezz.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/09 23:30:57


Post by: Pyroalchi


More something I'm guilty of myself: when writing a publication I have the tendency to at least once use the phrase "It is noteworthy that..." and when I later read it again a little voice says "is it, though?"

Maybe because I'm not a native speaker, but it just sounds weird, when I read it out loud.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 00:07:52


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Addicting.

Stop it. The word you want is addictive.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 00:24:47


Post by: Flinty


Considered. It is a meaningless word unless you give it a lot of context, but it's a lazy way to shorthand "here is a thing that sounds like it should be true".

When it turns up in reports I'm checking, it goes back to the author...

"It is considered that..." really means "I couldn't be arsed to do proper research"


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 00:33:01


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Quick caveat. I am slightly hypocritical posting in this thread.

Many is the time at work where I’ve drafted a letter, toddled off for a cuppa, come back, read through my draft and thought “what a load of senseless crap”.

I do however edit said letters.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 00:49:45


Post by: Vulcan


Business jargon is what really gets me.

When it comes up in a meeting, I know - I KNOW - that the person speaking has zero clue about what we do, how to help us get it done, and what they can do to help us accomplish it.

At best.

More likely we're about to get the short and smelly end of the stick and it's time to polish up the ol' resume and GET OUT NOW.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 00:53:17


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Jargon or buzzwords?

We use what “The Man In The Street” might reasonably call jargon in our meetings. But, it’s because we’re referencing legislation, rules, principles and that. To the casual observer one would be forgiven for thinking we’ve all suffered head injuries.

Buzzwords though can get in the bin. Then on fire. Then in a bit. In the sea.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 06:43:35


Post by: Crispy78


I see 'revert' being used to mean 'reply' a lot at work. I think it's an Indianism, but it bugs the gak out of me.

Also people saying itch when they mean scratch - the two things are not fething synonyms. The itch is the sensation and the scratch is the remediating activity.

Generally people butchering idioms - it's free REIN and derives from horse riding, not monarchy FFS.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 07:38:04


Post by: Snrub


Petting!

You're not petting an animal. You're patting it. You're giving it a pat, not a pet. Petting is light sexual contact (hopefully between two humans). If you're petting an animal then I am not only concerned, but have some serious questions for you.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 07:42:15


Post by: Cyel


In addition to some already mentioned, "based off of".

It doesn't even make sense. When you use something as a base you put another thing ON it, not away from it (like "off the coast"). The "off of" part also just sounds terrible.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 08:01:48


Post by: Ahtman


 Snrub wrote:
Petting!

You're not petting an animal. You're patting it. You're giving it a pat, not a pet. Petting is light sexual contact (hopefully between two humans). If you're petting an animal then I am not only concerned, but have some serious questions for you.


Petting also means "to stroke or pat (an animal) affectionately". Words can, and often do, have more than one meaning.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 08:23:57


Post by: Snrub


 Ahtman wrote:
Petting also means "to stroke or pat (an animal) affectionately". Words can, and often do, have more than one meaning.
Yes, thank you for telling me how the English language works, I've only spoken it my whole life.

How petting came to mean (non-sexual) touching of an animal, I'm not sure. But if you want to continue to imply that you fondle animals then so be it.
The correct word however is, and will remain, pat.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 08:30:51


Post by: Cyel


And yet, both Oxford and Cambridge dictionaries disagree with you, listing "pet" in its sexual context as informal and using the default definition of

pet somebody/something: to touch or move your hand gently over an animal or a child in a kind and loving way


I'm not surprised by this, I guess the word that normally describes caressing a pet found its way into the informal vocabulary of sexual activities like a lot of words seem to do.

Also patting for me means a very different kind of hand movement than petting (which is more like stroking).


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 08:51:26


Post by: Flinty


This will blow your mind then, up here in Scotland there is fairly common use of clap or clapping to mean petting of pets… it has never made sense to me.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 09:22:03


Post by: insaniak


Cyel wrote:
And yet, both Oxford and Cambridge dictionaries disagree with you, listing "pet" in its sexual context as informal and using the default definition of

Many dictionaries also list things like 'irregardless' as words these days. Common usage changes meanings. That's not really the point of the thread, though... something can be both commonly accepted usage and also really irritating to people who grew up with different usage.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 11:45:59


Post by: Aash


Itch really annoys me when it’s used instead of scratch.

“I really need to itch this mosquito bite” no, you need to scratch it, because it itches!! I annoys me more than is reasonable!!


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 11:48:32


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I’m oddly fond of “itch that scratch” meself.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 16:15:33


Post by: BertBert


What drives me mad as a non-native speaker is people not using the past participle:

"I had went home"
"The business was ran"

Is that a regional thing? I keep hearing this everywhere and it hurts because we had to learn 3rd forms by heart.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 16:38:30


Post by: Ensis Ferrae


 insaniak wrote:
Cyel wrote:
And yet, both Oxford and Cambridge dictionaries disagree with you, listing "pet" in its sexual context as informal and using the default definition of

Many dictionaries also list things like 'irregardless' as words these days. Common usage changes meanings. That's not really the point of the thread, though... something can be both commonly accepted usage and also really irritating to people who grew up with different usage.



While true, I think going straight to OED to illustrate that the oldest/most proper use of a word is different than how one is accustomed to it being used is good.


Earlier, someone mentioned "for some strange reason" . . . I use this one a few times a week at work. But, not because I'm lying, but rather, because the internal system that the company uses is hot garbage. so usually, in an email it will be "for some strange reason, [company system] did X thing, can you do Y to fix the situation?" because 1. I don't want to point fingers at anyone and suggest they can't do their job. 2. there are times where people who've been in this system since day 1 will go "that's weird. Why did it do that? It's supposed to do this when I do the thing"


For an addition to the thread: not so much words, but rather how they are used. . . In truck advertising, why does everything need to be BIGGER, BADDER, MOAR CAPABLE. . . when the vast, VAST majority of morons buying those trucks will never actually need big, bad, or capable, much less bigger, badder, or more capability.

Or. . . advertising in general. I hear the new iPhone ad. . . there hasn't been a single one on the current gen phone where they DON'T tack on "with Titanium" as if that's supposed to actually do something meaningful for the consumer


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 20:05:20


Post by: Ahtman


 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
Cyel wrote:
And yet, both Oxford and Cambridge dictionaries disagree with you, listing "pet" in its sexual context as informal and using the default definition of

Many dictionaries also list things like 'irregardless' as words these days. Common usage changes meanings. That's not really the point of the thread, though... something can be both commonly accepted usage and also really irritating to people who grew up with different usage.



While true, I think going straight to OED to illustrate that the oldest/most proper use of a word is different than how one is accustomed to it being used is good.


To "pet" an animal isn't some arcane use of the word but incredibly common and other dictionaries do list it so now we're devolving into "my dictionary can beat up your dictionary" foolishness.

But since were on the OED one of the fourteen definitions given was "To make a pet of, treat as a pet; to indulge; to fondle, to stroke" and originating about 1629. It also has "Originally U.S. To engage in sexually stimulating kissing, caressing, and touching." originating about 1921. I'm no chronoligist but I do believe 1629 is further back in time than 1921.


OED also lists one meaning of "pet" as "An act of breaking wind; a fart."


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 20:14:55


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Not so much words, but approach.

When hip young things use newspeak to try to insult you. The whole point of looking to insult someone is to…insult them. And let them know you’ve insulted them.

But when you use mindless TikTok drivel or what have you? I’m left entirely non-plussed, because I’ve absolutely no idea what you’re on about, and as a result, I don’t care.

I don’t know what a Mandem is. If you tell I’m Rizz, or Spackhandychoptubes? I’ll just revert to the classics. Including some largely banned ones. Because what we have here, is a failure, on your part, to communicate.


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Post by: Overread





No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 21:15:44


Post by: Olthannon


The company I work for now is full of awful corpo speak.

"Sense checking" is a loathsome phrase.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 21:59:40


Post by: Haighus


I am rarely bothered by different dialects and evolving slang, but that may be a product of my career as much as anything. I work in healthcare, which has a different and sometimes contradictory jargon for each specialty as well as being exposed to a wide manner of different ways of speaking expressed by patients. I've also worked in 3 distinct regions to add to that, and currently work in a clinic with national coverage. You kind of get used to people using all kinds of terms and switching between them.

I do get annoyed by incorrectly-used phrases though, some have already been mentioned in this thread.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 23:01:04


Post by: Da Boss


If you're not American, and you're not talking about your parents, I don't want to hear you saying "folks".

And unless you're quoting an American, there's no reason for you to be saying "y'all".

And as a high school teacher, "bro, bruh, bro, bro"
Please, stop.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 23:13:54


Post by: Crazy_Carnifex


 Da Boss wrote:

And unless you're quoting an American, there's no reason for you to be saying "y'all".


Other than the fact that English is a terrible language with no 2nd person plural pronoun?


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/10 23:19:57


Post by: Ensis Ferrae


 Ahtman wrote:


To "pet" an animal isn't some arcane use of the word but incredibly common and other dictionaries do list it so now we're devolving into "my dictionary can beat up your dictionary" foolishness.

But since were on the OED one of the fourteen definitions given was "To make a pet of, treat as a pet; to indulge; to fondle, to stroke" and originating about 1629. It also has "Originally U.S. To engage in sexually stimulating kissing, caressing, and touching." originating about 1921. I'm no chronoligist but I do believe 1629 is further back in time than 1921.


OED also lists one meaning of "pet" as "An act of breaking wind; a fart."


To note. . . I'm firmly on the side of "you pet a dog", being completely non-sexual, as it is the most common way of expressing that act. I'm fully in agreement that it isn't, as you say, some arcane use of the word. that someone SOLELY associates that word with the sexual act of petting, is telling on them, not on the thousands, if not millions of people who use the word in other contexts.

And, I only pointed out that OED is perhaps one of the best sources for what words and terms mean. It isn't exactly "hey google, what does this word mean?" I never intended to come across as "my dictionary can beat up yours".


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/11 02:53:40


Post by: Vulcan


 Snrub wrote:
Petting!

You're not petting an animal. You're patting it. You're giving it a pat, not a pet. Petting is light sexual contact (hopefully between two humans). If you're petting an animal then I am not only concerned, but have some serious questions for you.


So you pat a pet and pet a Pat?


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/11 05:51:43


Post by: Ahtman


 Vulcan wrote:
 Snrub wrote:
Petting!

You're not petting an animal. You're patting it. You're giving it a pat, not a pet. Petting is light sexual contact (hopefully between two humans). If you're petting an animal then I am not only concerned, but have some serious questions for you.


So you pat a pet and pet a Pat?


If you ask nicely, sure.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/11 08:25:22


Post by: Da Boss


 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:

And unless you're quoting an American, there's no reason for you to be saying "y'all".


Other than the fact that English is a terrible language with no 2nd person plural pronoun?


You can either use the plural "you", and pick it up from context (and it can work like that in plenty of languages) or do like they do in my hometown and say "ye".

I've been an English speaker my entire life and have never once been misunderstood and therefore required the use of "y'all". I mean if you're from the US where it's a natural part of speech, knock yourselves out, but I find it incredibly embarrassing when Irish or British people do it, or when non-native speakers living outside the US do it.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/11 11:05:47


Post by: Haighus


 Da Boss wrote:
If you're not American, and you're not talking about your parents, I don't want to hear you saying "folks".

And unless you're quoting an American, there's no reason for you to be saying "y'all".

And as a high school teacher, "bro, bruh, bro, bro"
Please, stop.

To some extent I get y'all, but folk/folks meaning people is pretty common in a UK context too. It's a word that goes back to before old English* and pops up in multiple contexts, like folk music or folk ways.

*Cognate with volk in German.


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Post by: Nevelon


 Olthannon wrote:
The company I work for now is full of awful corpo speak.

"Sense checking" is a loathsome phrase.


While(most) of my local branch is sane, every time we have a (mandatory) fireside chat, meet the leadership, quarterly update thing it flys thick and heavy.

Which is hilarious. It’s like they are speaking another language, on a few different levels. They are all synergistically fast-failing new paradigms to leverage innovation in the market space, and I’m just spinning like a little working cog, following the pathways and trying not to violate HIPPA laws. We’ve merged/been bought/been sold 3 times since I’ve been there, with different upper management. They all say the same things, tell us we are going to to do new things, with the latest buzzwords, but I still do my value-add one bit at a time at the bottom like I’ve been doing unchanged for years.

Most of the buzzwords actually make common sense if you think about them, but are so rizzed up (did I use that right?) that they become incomprehensible. Probably because someone paid a few million to a consultant and he needed to tell them something to justify his bill, and the “savings" get passed on to us...


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Post by: Aash


I’m worried I might be misunderstanding the purpose of a petting zoo….

As for y’all and a lack of a plural 2nd person in English, where I’m from “yous” is quite common, for example: “are any of yous going out tonight?”


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Post by: Kale


'Best life' as in 'living my best life'
Its your best life, worst life and only life and you can't ever tell if its the best it could be so stop it. Say you are enjoying you life - its what you actually mean.

I also hate the number of americanisms sipping in to the UK. I dont mind americans using them - its their dialect they can sound as odd as they want, but why copy when we have our own everchanging slang without theirs?

Business jargon/buzzwords in non business situations I work in a college and the amount of bussiness jargon comming out of senior management is horrific.

Unnessecary acronyms - I already have to code switch between science, education and managment do we need so many highly specific acronyms that get changed so often?
You get an email informing you of what we are to do half in randon letter groups like its only half de-encrypted, then you have to make an equiry a few months latter about it and half have changed meanings, some no longer exist and the rest no one bothered to let you know what they mean becaus everyone knows them right? No - I have a science back ground not social services, not degree level education or bussiness management. I explain my acronyms when I use them and they don't change (DNA is DNA, FISH is FISH etc) we gain more but I explain the first time i use them in an email/essay/anwser every time why can they?


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Post by: Vulcan


If 'y'all' bothers you, here in St. Louis it's semi-common to say 'youse' or 'youse guys'...


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/12 13:59:15


Post by: Bran Dawri


Irregardless drives me nuts.

So do management buzzwords and doublespeak.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/12 15:00:00


Post by: grahamdbailey


 Da Boss wrote:
 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:

And unless you're quoting an American, there's no reason for you to be saying "y'all".


Other than the fact that English is a terrible language with no 2nd person plural pronoun?


You can either use the plural "you", and pick it up from context (and it can work like that in plenty of languages) or do like they do in my hometown and say "ye".

I've been an English speaker my entire life and have never once been misunderstood and therefore required the use of "y'all". I mean if you're from the US where it's a natural part of speech, knock yourselves out, but I find it incredibly embarrassing when Irish or British people do it, or when non-native speakers living outside the US do it.


Y'all possibly has it's origin in Scots-Irish contraction. I'm an English-speaking Irish man, and it's a phrase I use, interchangeably with 'ye', depending on with whom I'm communicating.


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Post by: Olthannon


 Vulcan wrote:
If 'y'all' bothers you, here in St. Louis it's semi-common to say 'youse' or 'youse guys'...


We in Northumberland say yous.

But in the UK as a whole, y'all is a manky American thing that's become much more frequent thanks to youtube.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/02/12 20:03:40


Post by: insaniak


Similar here... 'y'all' appears here and there, but 'yous' is much more common. Potentially accompanied by a singular 'us'.

As in - 'If yous are garna the servo, pick us up a sanga'



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Post by: Da Boss


grahamdbailey wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:
 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:

And unless you're quoting an American, there's no reason for you to be saying "y'all".


Other than the fact that English is a terrible language with no 2nd person plural pronoun?


You can either use the plural "you", and pick it up from context (and it can work like that in plenty of languages) or do like they do in my hometown and say "ye".

I've been an English speaker my entire life and have never once been misunderstood and therefore required the use of "y'all". I mean if you're from the US where it's a natural part of speech, knock yourselves out, but I find it incredibly embarrassing when Irish or British people do it, or when non-native speakers living outside the US do it.


Y'all possibly has it's origin in Scots-Irish contraction. I'm an English-speaking Irish man, and it's a phrase I use, interchangeably with 'ye', depending on with whom I'm communicating.


Mad. Where in Ireland are you from? I'm from Wexford, lived in Dublin and the Midlands, never heard anyone say "y'all" unless they were imitating an american for a joke.


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Post by: gorgon


 Nevelon wrote:
 Olthannon wrote:
The company I work for now is full of awful corpo speak.

"Sense checking" is a loathsome phrase.


While(most) of my local branch is sane, every time we have a (mandatory) fireside chat, meet the leadership, quarterly update thing it flys thick and heavy.

Which is hilarious. It’s like they are speaking another language, on a few different levels. They are all synergistically fast-failing new paradigms to leverage innovation in the market space, and I’m just spinning like a little working cog, following the pathways and trying not to violate HIPPA laws. We’ve merged/been bought/been sold 3 times since I’ve been there, with different upper management. They all say the same things, tell us we are going to to do new things, with the latest buzzwords, but I still do my value-add one bit at a time at the bottom like I’ve been doing unchanged for years.

Most of the buzzwords actually make common sense if you think about them, but are so rizzed up (did I use that right?) that they become incomprehensible. Probably because someone paid a few million to a consultant and he needed to tell them something to justify his bill, and the “savings" get passed on to us...


"Thought leadership" is a phrase that gets used in place of "ideas" when said organization is out of ideas.


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Post by: Ahtman


We must leverage vertical synergy


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Post by: Overread


 Ahtman wrote:
We must leverage vertical synergy





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Post by: Vulcan


 Ahtman wrote:
We must leverage vertical synergy





I swear, as I was watching the video I was having PTSD flashbacks to meetings I've been stuck in...


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Post by: ZergSmasher


Enthused. That word really irks me. You can be enthusiastic about something, but enthused is a made-up word spoken by idiots if you ask me.

You know what else grinds my gears? People typing loose when they mean lose. You don't loose a game if you don't win, you lose it. I see it all the time on facebook and plenty of posters HERE ON DAKKA do it regularly like a bunch of monkeys (you know who you are). It drives me absolutely flying rodent gak crazy!


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Post by: Overread


 ZergSmasher wrote:

You know what else grinds my gears? People typing loose when they mean lose. You don't loose a game if you don't win, you lose it. I see it all the time on facebook and plenty of posters HERE ON DAKKA do it regularly like a bunch of monkeys (you know who you are). It drives me absolutely flying rodent gak crazy!


To be fair things like that are because English is honestly horribly messy - even half the "rules" we learn have so many exceptions that they aren't even rules.

Apparently the whole "i before e except after c" isn't even taught any more as there are so many exceptions it makes the rule almost pointless to learn in the first place.


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Post by: Ensis Ferrae


 Overread wrote:

Apparently the whole "i before e except after c" isn't even taught any more as there are so many exceptions it makes the rule almost pointless to learn in the first place.



Still not as bad as the one semester of French I took in high school. Teacher taught us all these rules in the French language, and the 2 times where the rule actually applied and how, beyond that. . . . they don't apply.


Another one that just cropped up in my mind. . . people who, despite education and age suggestion they *ought* to be able to say the actual word, can't.

What I'm referring to are people who want to get some "synonym rolls", or the guy who wants to "axe me a question". The lady who "brought some drinks at the store for the party", or having a nice dinner at Olive Garden and enjoying a plate of Biscetti. And truthfully, I've heard this sort of misuse of words across basically all income, age, and racial demographics, it isn't limited to any one in particular.

And no. . . I'm not referring to people who are learning English as a second language for whatever reason.


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Post by: Dysartes


Mostly forum things, but people who...
- type Calvary instead of cavalry
- type alot instead of a lot
- type allot instead of a lot

Especially if they then get indignant when you gently ridicule their choice of "words".


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Post by: Skinnereal


'Actually'. For a lot of interviewees, is seems to be a 'more formal' alternative to 'like'. It distracts from the point the person wants to get across.
 BertBert wrote:
"I had went home"
"The business was ran"
Is that a regional thing? I keep hearing this everywhere and it hurts because we had to learn 3rd forms by heart.
Yeah, pick one "I went home", or "I had gone home"
I noticed it more when I moved to the UK Midlands, but it may just be more common now.



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Post by: grahamdbailey


 Da Boss wrote:
grahamdbailey wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:
 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
 Da Boss wrote:

And unless you're quoting an American, there's no reason for you to be saying "y'all".


Other than the fact that English is a terrible language with no 2nd person plural pronoun?


You can either use the plural "you", and pick it up from context (and it can work like that in plenty of languages) or do like they do in my hometown and say "ye".

I've been an English speaker my entire life and have never once been misunderstood and therefore required the use of "y'all". I mean if you're from the US where it's a natural part of speech, knock yourselves out, but I find it incredibly embarrassing when Irish or British people do it, or when non-native speakers living outside the US do it.


Y'all possibly has it's origin in Scots-Irish contraction. I'm an English-speaking Irish man, and it's a phrase I use, interchangeably with 'ye', depending on with whom I'm communicating.




Mad. Where in Ireland are you from? I'm from Wexford, lived in Dublin and the Midlands, never heard anyone say "y'all" unless they were imitating an american for a joke.


I'm a Dub, but, to be fair, the phrasing is something I may have picked up rather than inherited...


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 gorgon wrote:
 Nevelon wrote:
 Olthannon wrote:
The company I work for now is full of awful corpo speak.

"Sense checking" is a loathsome phrase.


While(most) of my local branch is sane, every time we have a (mandatory) fireside chat, meet the leadership, quarterly update thing it flys thick and heavy.

Which is hilarious. It’s like they are speaking another language, on a few different levels. They are all synergistically fast-failing new paradigms to leverage innovation in the market space, and I’m just spinning like a little working cog, following the pathways and trying not to violate HIPPA laws. We’ve merged/been bought/been sold 3 times since I’ve been there, with different upper management. They all say the same things, tell us we are going to to do new things, with the latest buzzwords, but I still do my value-add one bit at a time at the bottom like I’ve been doing unchanged for years.

Most of the buzzwords actually make common sense if you think about them, but are so rizzed up (did I use that right?) that they become incomprehensible. Probably because someone paid a few million to a consultant and he needed to tell them something to justify his bill, and the “savings" get passed on to us...


"Thought leadership" is a phrase that gets used in place of "ideas" when said organization is out of ideas.




I had a manager say, in a meeting last week, "Let's double-click back on that". What the heck does that even mean?


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 Dysartes wrote:
Mostly forum things, but people who...
- type Calvary instead of cavalry
- type alot instead of a lot
- type allot instead of a lot

Especially if they then get indignant when you gently ridicule their choice of "words".


Could you be more pacific?

Anyways. Rage bait aside.

I can’t stand social media posts which use stuff like “it be like”. Or “it do be like”

Now I fully accept and have no problem with the fact that’s just how some people speak. Given my fondness for slang in my own vocabulary, I can hardly begrudge that. But in the written form it’s simply cringe inducing. And perhaps just a little bit racist. Like you’re adopting a certain speech pattern to appear down and cool and rap with the kids. The same extends to Scots type. Such as “where are you fae” and similar.


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Post by: MarkNorfolk


some of my younger (ie 20's) ask "can you borrow me that card" instead of "lend". The also say "I versed him at Magic" rather than "played against" or "played with".

So now I have to find their English teacher and burn them at the stake.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Oh god. Vs.

When did musical collaborations become X “Vs” Y.

Just stop it. Nobody is impressed.


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Post by: Nevelon


 Vulcan wrote:
 Ahtman wrote:
We must leverage vertical synergy





I swear, as I was watching the video I was having PTSD flashbacks to meetings I've been stuck in...


How have I not seen that before? Glorious! (and also twitching flashbacks) That 4 minute video could replace so many meetings.


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Post by: Crispy78


Piqued! It piqued your interest. It didn't peak it or peek it. Read books FFS!


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


General grumble?

When famous people are referred to by nicknames.

Granted, any appreciation of a celebrity is going to be some degree of parasocial relationship. But when gossip mags use for example “Tay Tay” instead of Taylor Swift, that’s just too much. Waaaay too far. Suggesting a familiarity that just doesn’t exist.

Use their first name if you must. But creating nicknames or pet names is just bloody creepy.


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Post by: Ahtman


So far a lot of really good bits here. Hopefully there we will continue critiquing when I get back from the ATM machine.


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Post by: ZergSmasher


 Ahtman wrote:
So far a lot of really good bits here. Hopefully there we will continue critiquing when I get back from the ATM machine.

I see what you did there, and I don't like it.

Some abbreviations kind of bother me too, or just confuse me. Like referring to Christmas as Xmas. I get it, it shortens it, but for some reason I don't like that abbreviation. And maybe someone who's British on here could explain why you folks sometimes refer to it as "Chrimbo"? That one has never made sense to me, but maybe that's because I'm an ignorant American or something.


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Post by: insaniak


 ZergSmasher wrote:
[And maybe someone who's British on here could explain why you folks sometimes refer to it as "Chrimbo"? That one has never made sense to me, but maybe that's because I'm an ignorant American or something.

Nobody seems to know for sure, but it's possibly just a children's mispronunciation that caught on with the masses back in the 1920s.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Just one of those slang terms. I’m sure somebody of a mind could track down its origin, but I for one can’t be bothered.

Xmas however was in use by at least 1973. This is evidenced by the title of Slade’s seasonal masterpiece “Merry Xmas Everybody”

Given that bands penchant for deliberate bad spelling “Mama We’re All Crazee Now”, “Gudbuy To Jane”, I wouldn’t say it’s beyond the realm of possibility Noddy and co first coined it.

Cursory google shows it significantly predates that though.

Well, I never!


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Post by: Crispy78


 insaniak wrote:
 ZergSmasher wrote:
[And maybe someone who's British on here could explain why you folks sometimes refer to it as "Chrimbo"? That one has never made sense to me, but maybe that's because I'm an ignorant American or something.

Nobody seems to know for sure, but it's possibly just a children's mispronunciation that caught on with the masses back in the 1920s.


I'm staggered it goes that far back. I don't recall ever really hearing it pre-millenium. It seemed to rear it's ugly head around the same time as things like nom and floofy.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


It was certainly popularised by the novelty Christmas record “Proper Chrimbo”.

And as such regional words and terms enter the wider national vocabulary.

For instance, the word for a poor, dirty kid when I was a nipper in Edinburgh was “scaff”, seemingly stemming from a nickname for bin Lorrie’s known as Scaffy Trucks.

But when I moved to south east England? That was a word beginning with P which is racist. But said racist P word spread in prominence thanks to Guy Ritchie’s “Snatch” where it’s used quite liberally.

Hence, whilst scaff remains regional (if it’s even still in use. Been 33 years since I lived in Edinburgh), the racist word beginning with P has unfortunately become more common place, thanks to media exposure.


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Post by: Crispy78


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


For instance, the word for a poor, dirty kid when I was a nipper in Edinburgh was “scaff”


Grew up in Surrey, didn't have them...


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Post by: Ensis Ferrae


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Just one of those slang terms. I’m sure somebody of a mind could track down its origin, but I for one can’t be bothered.

Xmas however was in use by at least 1973. This is evidenced by the title of Slade’s seasonal masterpiece “Merry Xmas Everybody”

Given that bands penchant for deliberate bad spelling “Mama We’re All Crazee Now”, “Gudbuy To Jane”, I wouldn’t say it’s beyond the realm of possibility Noddy and co first coined it.

Cursory google shows it significantly predates that though.

Well, I never!


Wouldn't surprise me if it originated in the US, and for the same reason we have neighbors instead of neighbours.


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Post by: insaniak


That was the common assumption when I was growing up, along with the idea that it was to de-emphasise the 'Christ' in 'Christmas'... but no, it actually dates back to 16th century England, and is an abbreviation of the old Greek word that 'Christ' is derived from.


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Post by: Haighus


 insaniak wrote:
That was the common assumption when I was growing up, along with the idea that it was to de-emphasise the 'Christ' in 'Christmas'... but no, it actually dates back to 16th century England, and is an abbreviation of the old Greek word that 'Christ' is derived from.

Makes sense. A lot of abbreviations date to that period IIRC because it was much easier to do on printing presses. The word would have been entering written use much more than in prior centuries.


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Post by: Easy E


One of my favorite things about my job as an efficiency expert is to just use made-up words for things!

Solutionizing- Create a solution
"This is not the meeting to be solutionizing"

Revericate - Go back and validate data
"We need to revericate these data points before we confirm the hypothesis"

Domission- Overcome an obstacle, typically technical in nature; to continue the project
"This is in Domission and is no longer a challenge for implementation"

The Needful - The act/action that needs to be done to move forward
"The engineer went back and did the Needful."

Red Button - Remove a step of a process that people can do, but causes issues because there is the opportunity to do it wrong.
"This process has a Red Button in step 7, Do the needful and domission it."

These are not real words or terms! Some aren't even trade or industry terms. Some I completely made up out of whole cloth! I just love using my role as an excuse to make up words and phrases, then get people to start using them! So funny to me!






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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
General grumble?

When famous people are referred to by nicknames.

Granted, any appreciation of a celebrity is going to be some degree of parasocial relationship. But when gossip mags use for example “Tay Tay” instead of Taylor Swift, that’s just too much. Waaaay too far. Suggesting a familiarity that just doesn’t exist.

Use their first name if you must. But creating nicknames or pet names is just bloody creepy.


Have you reformed or something? Who is this? Is this really MDG?

I seem to recall a similarly named user getting many a ban for using pet-names for famous folks and politicians, usually in a negative way!


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Post by: Ensis Ferrae


 Easy E wrote:

Red Button - Remove a step of a process that people can do, but causes issues because there is the opportunity to do it wrong.
"This process has a Red Button in step 7, Do the needful and domission it."



OK, this one is actually a good one though. . . I know my wife tells me stories of things that go on at her work, and if she had this term as vocab, it would be great for her.


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Post by: insaniak


 Easy E wrote:

The Needful - The act/action that needs to be done to move forward
"The engineer went back and did the Needful."

While most of your list made my head hurt, 'needful' is a word, and the above was very common usage when I was growing up, although seems less prevalent these days.


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Post by: Ahtman


"Red Button" always makes me think of the Space Madness episode of Ren & Stimpy.

I hadn't thought about it in a while but I hear people say "turret" as "turrent" semi regularly online. I don't know where the 'n' is coming from but I don't like it.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


EasyE wrote:Have you reformed or something? Who is this? Is this really MDG?

I seem to recall a similarly named user getting many a ban for using pet-names for famous folks and politicians, usually in a negative way!


Different scenario entirely. Mocking nicknames of the powerful to show disdain. Not to create the illusion that someone famous is a friend, and therefore the constant prying into their private life isn’t intensely creepy, bordering on organised stalking.


Anyways. All this Red Pill/Black Pill nonsense. You’re not seeing “past the veil”. Oh no, rather you’ve “drunk the Kool Aid*”

*I am aware that line is inaccurate, as the victims drank Flavor Aid.


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Post by: Skinnereal


 insaniak wrote:
 Easy E wrote:

The Needful - The act/action that needs to be done to move forward
"The engineer went back and did the Needful."
While most of your list made my head hurt, 'needful' is a word, and the above was very common usage when I was growing up, although seems less prevalent these days.
'Do the needful' is probably an old English phrase, which I have only heard used by teams I used to work with in India.


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Post by: Aash


 Skinnereal wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
 Easy E wrote:

The Needful - The act/action that needs to be done to move forward
"The engineer went back and did the Needful."
While most of your list made my head hurt, 'needful' is a word, and the above was very common usage when I was growing up, although seems less prevalent these days.
This is probably an old English phrase, which I have only heard used by teams I used to work with in India.


My Favourite usage of “needful” I’ve heard is as a euphemism for going to the toilet. Always makes me smirk now when I hear it used in other contexts.


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Post by: Ahtman


 Skinnereal wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
 Easy E wrote:

The Needful - The act/action that needs to be done to move forward
"The engineer went back and did the Needful."
While most of your list made my head hurt, 'needful' is a word, and the above was very common usage when I was growing up, although seems less prevalent these days.
'Do the needful' is probably an old English phrase, which I have only heard used by teams I used to work with in India.


"Do the needful" is an incredibly common phrase by scammers based in India. "I'm Bob Johnson from America Corp. sending you this message in regards to your CV. To confirm you're identity do the needful and respond with a code we've sent you" and it will be a password reset code or code to allow them to make a Google phone number from you email. Stuff like that. Obliviously context matters but it is frequent enough that seeing "kindly" and "do the needful" are giant red flags that something is not on the up and up.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Caveat addition to Ahtman’s correct observation. You may read a scam email and chuckle at poor grammar and misspelling. That’s entirely deliberate, as it quickly weeds out those the least likely to fall for whatever follows.


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Post by: Dysartes


I mean, I'm amused by the typo in Ahtman's response.


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Post by: Jadenim


Aash wrote:
 Skinnereal wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
 Easy E wrote:

The Needful - The act/action that needs to be done to move forward
"The engineer went back and did the Needful."
While most of your list made my head hurt, 'needful' is a word, and the above was very common usage when I was growing up, although seems less prevalent these days.
This is probably an old English phrase, which I have only heard used by teams I used to work with in India.


My Favourite usage of “needful” I’ve heard is as a euphemism for going to the toilet. Always makes me smirk now when I hear it used in other contexts.


That’s my experience too.


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Post by: Ahtman


 Dysartes wrote:
I mean, I'm amused by the typo in Ahtman's response.


There is no errer in my statment.


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Post by: Flinty


Last sentence starts with Obliviously, when one would normally expect Obviously. Unless it was deliberate. Which was not obvious.


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Post by: Easy E


Needs more strategery to straighten it out.

Ahtman, do the needful and make the edits.


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Post by: Ensis Ferrae


That reminds me. . . and unfortunately may trigger some of my fellow US veteran comrades: behoove.

As in, "it would behoove you to stay off the fething grass before sergeant major sticks a boot up your. . "


EDIT: on the subject of military. . . Any use of your service's "word" in anything other than the most ironic/sarcastic way possible. By "word" I mean the army's Hooah!, Marine's Oorah! and that sort of thing. Anyone who uses those terms unironically wears their dogtags on the weekends, and goes to the mall in their boots.


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Post by: Charax


"Addicting"

The. Word. Is. AddictIVE.

Add me to the list of old men shaking their fist at the use of literally as figuratively too


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Post by: Jaxmeister


My pet hate is one used repeatedly by media normally regarding a football player and it's "unplayable".
They think it means he/she played well. It doesn't. It means they could not play due to injury, poor form or whatever reason they can come up with.
I believe they mean unplayable against, which is completely different. It's another example of the butchery of language used frequently now.
It's just sheer laziness, bad enough when used by the public but inexcusable for an allegedly professional journalist.


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Post by: gorgon


 Ahtman wrote:
We must leverage vertical synergy


Had a meeting at work with reps from one of the big social media platforms. The one dude was a walking business jargon/buzzword generator (like this but in a dress shirt and pants: https://www.atrixnet.com/bs-generator.html). Best I've ever heard, and I'm no rookie with this gak. After a while, I wanted to start writing those gems down but couldn't keep up because of how rapid fire they were coming.

Off the top of my head, I recall a line about "balancing externalities and synergies" but literally every sentence was loaded, like something out of a comedy show skit.



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Post by: Easy E


Best thing is, that guy's jargon was probably intended to confuse more than enlighten.


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Post by: Olthannon


I find the more someone says phrases like that the more desperate they are to obfuscate the fact they don't really contribute anything useful and they earn a salary doing nowt.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Your not suggesting they just use big words for to sound moar clevererest?


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Post by: Easy E


They are just vociferizing!


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I find jargon and hip-lingo particularly annoying as professionally I have to communicate in plain English.

I can use acronyms in my correspondence, but only after I’ve explained them. For example in the first instance I might say “Young Man’s Christian Association (YMCA)”, then simply use “YMCA” after that.

It absolutely boils my piss when I get a business file and they’re using acronyms without telling me what the blinking flip they mean. It means I have to go back and ask, and I can be chasing that simple “you should have used this the first time you cretin” information for a fortnight or more. Even then they’ll miss a few.



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Post by: gorgon


 Easy E wrote:
Best thing is, that guy's jargon was probably intended to confuse more than enlighten.


I'm not going to get specific about anything, but I felt like the reps were sensitive to and maybe overcompensating for the nature of the platform in particular. And maybe for who we were. So they may have felt like they had to zhuzh it up a bit, I dunno.


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Post by: Dysartes


Yeah, we can add people who only speak in management and people who only communicate via buzzword bingo to the list of things that irk me.


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Post by: Vulcan


 Easy E wrote:
Best thing is, that guy's jargon was probably intended to confuse more than enlighten.


Every time I've heard it used, that's EXACTLY what it's intended to do. It's used to sound important and smart while saying very little or nothing of use.


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Post by: Ensis Ferrae


Jaxmeister wrote:
My pet hate is one used repeatedly by media normally regarding a football player and it's "unplayable".
They think it means he/she played well. It doesn't. It means they could not play due to injury, poor form or whatever reason they can come up with.
I believe they mean unplayable against, which is completely different. It's another example of the butchery of language used frequently now.
It's just sheer laziness, bad enough when used by the public but inexcusable for an allegedly professional journalist.



This reminds me of another, potentially uniquely American one. . . .

See, you Brits, Aussies, Kiwis, and general "commonwealth" types will know the term scrum. It's a specific action designed to put the ball back in play during a rugby match.

So, what could possibly be annoying about the term scrum??? Well, fine folks, I submit to you, the American sports commentator who, upon seeing any form of general pile of human bodies, particularly during an american football game, will declare "ohh the refs will have to dig the ball out of that scrum" . . . Or, "they blow the play dead amid that scrum of players" (when a better descriptor for that latter one would be a maul, but I digress). Like, are american football-isms and euphemisms not good enough, you have to butcher another, much better sport's words too!?


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Post by: Skinnereal


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I find jargon and hip-lingo particularly annoying as professionally I have to communicate in plain English.

I can use acronyms in my correspondence, but only after I’ve explained them. For example in the first instance I might say “Young Man’s Christian Association (YMCA)”, then simply use “YMCA” after that.

It absolutely boils my piss when I get a business file and they’re using acronyms without telling me what the blinking flip they mean. It means I have to go back and ask, and I can be chasing that simple “you should have used this the first time you cretin” information for a fortnight or more. Even then they’ll miss a few.
My bosses got called out for that in a meeting/info-dump yesterday. They asked for questions, and the first one was for them to stop using acronyms without telling us what they mean first.

I work in tech, and TLAs (three-letter acronyms) are so prevalent, we can't have a conversation of less than 5 minutes without using them throughout. But that is to a like-minded audience. But a lot of the same acronyms are used elsewhere, in other fields, and we all get confused when they overlap.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I’m currently mentoring newbies, and I regularly find myself having to stop, go back, and explain what the heck I just said! For instance, we have an internal database called Discovery, which is commonly referred to as Disco. Clear communication requires me to explain that to the mentees, at least the first couple of times.

It’s just….respectful as well. Professionally, I want people I’m communicating with to understand me, and be somewhat enlightened about whatever it is I’m wittering about. Piling on nu-speak, bingolingo and TLA just…don’t achieve that so well.

I can’t imagine paying a consultancy’s rates, only for them to come in and talk utter, incomprehensible bollocks at me.


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Post by: Overread


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Clear communication requires me to explain that to the mentees, at least the first couple of times.


The repeat of information is often where some fail when it comes to teaching acronyms or indeed anything, esp to other adults. People forget that a huge part of learning something new or familiarising yourself with a new approach is built on the foundation of repetition of information so it sticks. I hate when those tasked to teach/mentor/introduce will mention something once and consider that enough. Yes you've mentioned it, yes that information is out there; but you've mentioned it one time, the chances of it sticking along with all the other new information is - less.


Of course newbies also have to take notes and put effort into learning, so its not all one sided.


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Post by: Haighus


 Overread wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Clear communication requires me to explain that to the mentees, at least the first couple of times.


The repeat of information is often where some fail when it comes to teaching acronyms or indeed anything, esp to other adults. People forget that a huge part of learning something new or familiarising yourself with a new approach is built on the foundation of repetition of information so it sticks. I hate when those tasked to teach/mentor/introduce will mention something once and consider that enough. Yes you've mentioned it, yes that information is out there; but you've mentioned it one time, the chances of it sticking along with all the other new information is - less.


Of course newbies also have to take notes and put effort into learning, so its not all one sided.

This used to be expected in some fields. I know a lot of senior doctors today were expected to follow the adage "see one, do one, teach one" when it came to learning new procedures when they were juniors 20, 30, 40 years ago. Some carry that mentality forward, but most recognise it is pretty dangerous and leads to poor outcomes.


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Post by: Crispy78


 Skinnereal wrote:

I work in tech, and TLAs (three-letter acronyms) are so prevalent, we can't have a conversation of less than 5 minutes without using them throughout. But that is to a like-minded audience. But a lot of the same acronyms are used elsewhere, in other fields, and we all get confused when they overlap.


I work in IT in the cosmetics industry, if I refer to MAC I could be talking about 3 different things...


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Post by: Haighus


Crispy78 wrote:
 Skinnereal wrote:

I work in tech, and TLAs (three-letter acronyms) are so prevalent, we can't have a conversation of less than 5 minutes without using them throughout. But that is to a like-minded audience. But a lot of the same acronyms are used elsewhere, in other fields, and we all get confused when they overlap.


I work in IT in the cosmetics industry, if I refer to MAC I could be talking about 3 different things...

This reminds me of a hospital I have worked in that had signs pointing in one direction towards CCU and in another towards... CCU... One was the Coronary Care Unit and the other was the Critical Care Unit! Both involved different kinds of intensive care too...


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Post by: Jadenim


 Haighus wrote:
Crispy78 wrote:
 Skinnereal wrote:

I work in tech, and TLAs (three-letter acronyms) are so prevalent, we can't have a conversation of less than 5 minutes without using them throughout. But that is to a like-minded audience. But a lot of the same acronyms are used elsewhere, in other fields, and we all get confused when they overlap.


I work in IT in the cosmetics industry, if I refer to MAC I could be talking about 3 different things...

This reminds me of a hospital I have worked in that had signs pointing in one direction towards CCU and in another towards... CCU... One was the Coronary Care Unit and the other was the Critical Care Unit! Both involved different kinds of intensive care too...


I’ve just been into our local hospital and they transferred us from A&E to the “Minor Injuries and Minor Illness” department after triage; instructions were “follow the purple line and head to Miami”, which brightened my day a bit…


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Post by: Flinty


I’ve heard that TAHITI is a magical place to recover from injuries as well


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Post by: Ahtman


This feels appropriate here considering the discussion of jargon.




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Post by: Bran Dawri


 gorgon wrote:
 Ahtman wrote:
We must leverage vertical synergy


Had a meeting at work with reps from one of the big social media platforms. The one dude was a walking business jargon/buzzword generator (like this but in a dress shirt and pants: https://www.atrixnet.com/bs-generator.html). Best I've ever heard, and I'm no rookie with this gak. After a while, I wanted to start writing those gems down but couldn't keep up because of how rapid fire they were coming.

Off the top of my head, I recall a line about "balancing externalities and synergies" but literally every sentence was loaded, like something out of a comedy show skit.



Does anyone ever call out that stuff, for example after a 10minute monologue just go "so leaving out all the word soup, what was the actual point in all that?"


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Post by: Vulcan


Bran Dawri wrote:
 gorgon wrote:
 Ahtman wrote:
We must leverage vertical synergy


Had a meeting at work with reps from one of the big social media platforms. The one dude was a walking business jargon/buzzword generator (like this but in a dress shirt and pants: https://www.atrixnet.com/bs-generator.html). Best I've ever heard, and I'm no rookie with this gak. After a while, I wanted to start writing those gems down but couldn't keep up because of how rapid fire they were coming.

Off the top of my head, I recall a line about "balancing externalities and synergies" but literally every sentence was loaded, like something out of a comedy show skit.



Does anyone ever call out that stuff, for example after a 10minute monologue just go "so leaving out all the word soup, what was the actual point in all that?"


Generally, one does that once early in one's career. Then you are persona non grata in that company, get all the crummy jobs, no raise, no promotion, get dumped on by management... Afterward that, one learns to keep one's mouth shut in meetings unless one is the highest-ranked person there.

Bosses don't respond well to having their bovine excrement questioned.


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Post by: Easy E


One of my former bosses always used to ask, "Remind me, are we talking about real money here, or fake money?"

It is amazing how much money talk is fake money.


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Post by: gorgon


Bran Dawri wrote:
 gorgon wrote:
 Ahtman wrote:
We must leverage vertical synergy


Had a meeting at work with reps from one of the big social media platforms. The one dude was a walking business jargon/buzzword generator (like this but in a dress shirt and pants: https://www.atrixnet.com/bs-generator.html). Best I've ever heard, and I'm no rookie with this gak. After a while, I wanted to start writing those gems down but couldn't keep up because of how rapid fire they were coming.

Off the top of my head, I recall a line about "balancing externalities and synergies" but literally every sentence was loaded, like something out of a comedy show skit.



Does anyone ever call out that stuff, for example after a 10minute monologue just go "so leaving out all the word soup, what was the actual point in all that?"


In my example it was a vendor coming into the office, and he was just one of the presenters. No real point to dunking on the guy in front of everyone.


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Post by: Overread


I'd consider it less dunking and more "what the freaking heck is your presentation actually about and what are you selling us in plain English"


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Post by: Bran Dawri


 Vulcan wrote:

Generally, one does that once early in one's career. Then you are persona non grata in that company, get all the crummy jobs, no raise, no promotion, get dumped on by management... Afterward that, one learns to keep one's mouth shut in meetings unless one is the highest-ranked person there.

Bosses don't respond well to having their bovine excrement questioned.


Eh, I've not gotten a promotion or raise in a decade, despite most definitely having earned either or both for years.
So as a result, I've stopped pulling my punches when it comes to calling management on its bs.
In essence it's been the reverse for me.


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Post by: stonehorse


When people type 'alot' instead of 'a lot'.

A lot of modern lingo leaves me just confused, luckily I have very little interaction with anyone born after the millennium... which helps a lot.

Yes, I did purposely start and end that paragraph with 'a lot' deliberately, you can thank me later.


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Post by: Crispy78


That reminds me of another one that really fecks me off. Everyday instead of 'every day'.

If you want to say something happens every day, that's two words. Everyday is an adjective meaning commonplace, routine.

We have professionally printed signs at work saying "Quality. Own it everyday." They make my teeth itch.


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Post by: Dysartes


Routinely owning quality sort of makes sense for a business sign, but they could certainly word it better.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/03/14 09:07:29


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Crispy78 wrote:
That reminds me of another one that really fecks me off. Everyday instead of 'every day'.

If you want to say something happens every day, that's two words. Everyday is an adjective meaning commonplace, routine.

We have professionally printed signs at work saying "Quality. Own it everyday." They make my teeth itch.


Not quite the same, but something that wound me up at work a few years back. Well, I say a few it’s probably a decade ago. In short, our offices were being renovated on floor at a time. When we moved in? Vinyl on the fridges declaring “brrrr!”, and by the sinks? “Splish splash”.

I ask you. We’re an office, we’re professionals. And we’re there because we’re clever, mature and rational. So why the nursery style “decorations”. Utterly ludicrous. What idiot signed that off.


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Post by: Crispy78


We recently introduced a fething cartoon bird health and safety mascot...


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/03/14 09:40:45


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Oh, and anyone that is a professional “consultant” or “consultancy” should be kept away from all businesses forever.

You don’t know what we do. You don’t know how we go about it. You don’t know why we do things the way we do, or the approach we takes. You’ve absolutely no idea what is involved in being good at what I do. And it takes a good six months to get a new recruit signed off - and even then it takes years to get a rounded experience.

So some tosser in a suit who’s no more than a poke-nose git trying to suggest we do things differently can get squarely in the bin, then in the sea. I don’t care what your degree makes you reckon would work. Because you’ve never done this job, and you may not even be capable of doing it - because not everyone is.


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Post by: gorgon


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh, and anyone that is a professional “consultant” or “consultancy” should be kept away from all businesses forever.

You don’t know what we do. You don’t know how we go about it. You don’t know why we do things the way we do, or the approach we takes. You’ve absolutely no idea what is involved in being good at what I do. And it takes a good six months to get a new recruit signed off - and even then it takes years to get a rounded experience.

So some tosser in a suit who’s no more than a poke-nose git trying to suggest we do things differently can get squarely in the bin, then in the sea. I don’t care what your degree makes you reckon would work. Because you’ve never done this job, and you may not even be capable of doing it - because not everyone is.


Know you're just having a rant here, but this isn't universally true IME. I've seen every outcome when consultants were brought in. I've seen them bring some interesting insights. I've seen their advice completely screw up a business. And I've seen them assess situations accurately but not identify or suggest anything that internal folks haven't already offered. Two out of 3 of these results are solid outcomes. The third there may have been a waste of money, but it may also be a valuable confirmation of what you thought you knew.

But sure, I rant sometimes about putting so much value in the opinion of a 27 year old with an MBA from a fancy school. I took some MBA classwork too...there's no secret sauce there no matter how fancy the binders are. Still, the worst case I've experienced involved lots of more seasoned consultants...they just weren't very good.


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Post by: Easy E


That great thing about being a consultant, is you can charge the company a ton of money, deliver a recommendation, and then walk away and never see if they do or don't do it. You got paid whether they take the recommendations or not.



I actually love the fact that English is a constant and evolving language. Things that were a no-go in the past, can be acceptable today. Things that we use commonly today, will be gone next year. Keeps things interesting.



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Post by: Ahtman


I'm still bothered that Hoverboards did not hover in any way. What is marketed as AI isn't really AI so I wonder what we will call it when he have an actual AI break though.


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Post by: Jadenim


 Ahtman wrote:
I'm still bothered that Hoverboards did not hover in any way. What is marketed as AI isn't really AI so I wonder what we will call it when he have an actual AI break though.


Artificial Sentience, because that’s actually what we mean when we talk about artificial intelligence in a sci-fi context.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/03/16 09:52:15


Post by: Ahtman


 Jadenim wrote:
 Ahtman wrote:
I'm still bothered that Hoverboards did not hover in any way. What is marketed as AI isn't really AI so I wonder what we will call it when he have an actual AI break though.


Artificial Sentience, because that’s actually what we mean when we talk about artificial intelligence in a sci-fi context.


That is part of why it is so annoying. We used AI to mean sentient for decades and then in the last few years just switched it to describe something else. *shakes fist angrily at cloud*


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Post by: Crispy78


There's levels. Artificial General Intelligence is the next step, where the AI is not limited to a single specific function but operates more like a sentient mind, and can perform similarly to humans at a variety of cognitive tasks.

Beyond that is Artificial Super Intelligence, which is where the AI can vastly out-perform humans.


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Post by: Skinnereal


 Ahtman wrote:
 Jadenim wrote:
 Ahtman wrote:
I'm still bothered that Hoverboards did not hover in any way. What is marketed as AI isn't really AI so I wonder what we will call it when he have an actual AI break though.


Artificial Sentience, because that’s actually what we mean when we talk about artificial intelligence in a sci-fi context.


That is part of why it is so annoying. We used AI to mean sentient for decades and then in the last few years just switched it to describe something else. *shakes fist angrily at cloud*
Marketing and sloppy journalism. It is so annoying.


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Post by: JNAProductions


 Ahtman wrote:
I'm still bothered that Hoverboards did not hover in any way. What is marketed as AI isn't really AI so I wonder what we will call it when he have an actual AI break though.
Yeah, "Hover"boards tick me right the heck off.

They're just on wheels! They don't hover. At all.


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Post by: BobtheInquisitor


And they don’t work on water.

…unless you have power.


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Post by: Overread


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
And they don’t work on water.

…unless you have power.





No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/03/20 18:31:12


Post by: Flinty


this gem of horror has just cropped up on the film review thread:

"Interquel"

Good grief...


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/03/20 18:51:08


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 JNAProductions wrote:
 Ahtman wrote:
I'm still bothered that Hoverboards did not hover in any way. What is marketed as AI isn't really AI so I wonder what we will call it when he have an actual AI break though.
Yeah, "Hover"boards tick me right the heck off.

They're just on wheels! They don't hover. At all.


Technically they do make the rider hover when they inevitably explode?

Only time I’ve seen one in real life, it was being ridden by a Hipster down my road, holding up the traffic.

That’s not an advert any product can come back from.


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Post by: Haighus


 Flinty wrote:
this gem of horror has just cropped up on the film review thread:

"Interquel"

Good grief...

What is it supposed to mean..?


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/03/20 19:10:12


Post by: Flinty


Its a sequel that is positioned between two pre-existing films in the in-universe timeline...

Ghaz helpfully provided a link to an even bigger archive of hairsplittingness!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequel#Classifications


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/03/20 19:35:11


Post by: Haighus


 Flinty wrote:
Its a sequel that is positioned between two pre-existing films in the in-universe timeline...

Ghaz helpfully provided a link to an even bigger archive of hairsplittingness!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequel#Classifications

...so something like Rogue One?


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/03/21 13:53:25


Post by: nels1031


 Flinty wrote:
this gem of horror has just cropped up on the film review thread:

"Interquel"

Good grief...


Seriously. I looked up when the new Alien movie was set and I saw that word and thought I was having a stroke. Had to post it to make sure I wasn't the only one!


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Post by: Easy E


I mostly see children using Hoverboards.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/03/21 14:58:30


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Is there a term for a more or less acceptable film, such as Alien Resurrection, where general appreciation increases because what follow was utterly dreadful?


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/03/21 15:14:15


Post by: Vulcan


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is there a term for a more or less acceptable film, such as Alien Resurrection, where general appreciation increases because what follow was utterly dreadful?


"The end"?


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Post by: Ahtman


 Easy E wrote:
I mostly see children using Hoverboards.


Who is using it doesn't change that it is not hovering.


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Post by: Flinty


 Vulcan wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is there a term for a more or less acceptable film, such as Alien Resurrection, where general appreciation increases because what follow was utterly dreadful?


"The end"?


It’s called God Emperor of Dune…


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Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Heretics of Dune wasn’t that bad. It had chairdogs.


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Post by: Flinty


I last read it about 30 years ago, but just skimming the Wikipedia entry almost gave me PTSD. As a Bene Gesserit is invited to watch an Honoured Matre complete her sexual domination of Duncan Idaho, but ah-ha. She didn’t count on secret Tlielaxu implant training, so now who’s the dominated one!

Good grief.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/03/23 19:11:57


Post by: Ahtman


 Flinty wrote:
As a Bene Gesserit is invited to watch an Honoured Matre complete her sexual domination of Duncan Idaho, but ah-ha. She didn’t count on secret Tlielaxu implant training, so now who’s the dominated one!


I have to admit that was not a sentence I expected to see when I checked back in on this thread.


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Post by: Jaxmeister


Nor did I expect that sentence.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/03/24 12:04:17


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


There are two words which in conjunction drive me to apoplexy.

The first is James. On its own? Just a name. And a pretty common one.

But add Corden? And I’m livid.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/03/24 16:26:40


Post by: Olthannon


There's something about him and Ricky Gervais that really twist me. Smug little gits. They remind me of those fat kids who were desperate to avoid getting bullied at school so they hung about one step behind other bullies and picked on kids themselves.



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Post by: chromedog


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh, and anyone that is a professional “consultant” or “consultancy” should be kept away from all businesses forever.

You don’t know what we do. You don’t know how we go about it. You don’t know why we do things the way we do, or the approach we takes. You’ve absolutely no idea what is involved in being good at what I do. And it takes a good six months to get a new recruit signed off - and even then it takes years to get a rounded experience.

So some tosser in a suit who’s no more than a poke-nose git trying to suggest we do things differently can get squarely in the bin, then in the sea. I don’t care what your degree makes you reckon would work. Because you’ve never done this job, and you may not even be capable of doing it - because not everyone is.



Consultancy is the flipside to the old "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem" adage. I prefer "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.", myself.

Consultancy: There's money to be made prolonging the problem.


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Post by: insaniak


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is there a term for a more or less acceptable film, such as Alien Resurrection, where general appreciation increases because what follow was utterly dreadful?
.

Or a series with good bookend titles but best to ignore whatever is in the middle. See Blade, Riddick, or the Highlander movies.


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Post by: BobtheInquisitor


A valley franchise? If short enough, an odds-only franchise, or like Star Trek and Mad Max, an evens-only franchise.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/03/25 14:50:12


Post by: Easy E


Dang, I love how humans are SOOOOO desperate for patterns in their lives.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/03/25 15:14:33


Post by: Slipspace


 Flinty wrote:
Its a sequel that is positioned between two pre-existing films in the in-universe timeline...

Ghaz helpfully provided a link to an even bigger archive of hairsplittingness!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequel#Classifications

Gearbox (technically 2K Australia) have a better term for it: pre-sequel.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/03/25 15:29:19


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Easy E wrote:
Dang, I love how humans are SOOOOO desperate for patterns in their lives.


I’ve tried chaos and I don’t recommend it (for anyone over 30).


And naming things is how we gain power over them.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/03/25 20:31:49


Post by: Haighus


Slipspace wrote:
 Flinty wrote:
Its a sequel that is positioned between two pre-existing films in the in-universe timeline...

Ghaz helpfully provided a link to an even bigger archive of hairsplittingness!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequel#Classifications

Gearbox (technically 2K Australia) have a better term for it: pre-sequel.

Underrated game IMO. The low-G stuff is great.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/03/26 06:37:49


Post by: Dysartes


 insaniak wrote:
Or a series with good bookend titles but best to ignore whatever is in the middle. See Blade, Riddick, or the Highlander movies.

If we're talking the Snipes Blade films here, I have to ask... what the heck are they doing in that list?


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Post by: insaniak


I enjoyed the first and third movies, but not the 2nd.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/03/26 10:25:49


Post by: Haighus


My partner has just encountered "componentry element" as a great example of corporate bullgak.

We have spent ten minutes trying to figure out what it could mean...


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Post by: The Power Cosmic


I haven't read the rest of this thread, but I wanted to add my trigger words.

Foodie. It's mostly dead, but for a time was everywhere.

Elevate. I work in marketing (its own black box of sin), and it's used everywhere. Also every food show you watch uses it liberally.


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Post by: Jadenim


 Haighus wrote:
My partner has just encountered "componentry element" as a great example of corporate bullgak.

We have spent ten minutes trying to figure out what it could mean...


Component?


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Post by: Haighus


 Jadenim wrote:
 Haighus wrote:
My partner has just encountered "componentry element" as a great example of corporate bullgak.

We have spent ten minutes trying to figure out what it could mean...


Component?

That would make sense if talking about fridge parts or something. Instead it was part of the "rationale" for a big digital departmental structural change...


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Post by: Cyel


Oh, oh, I have another one!


People putting "I wish I knew..." on thumbnails of their YT videos, when they really want to say "I wish I had known..."


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


“I was today days old”.

Cards on the table? First couple of times, it was amusing in a twee way.

The of course it “trended” and became overused. Like Jim Carey playing Jim Carey in every Jim Carey comedy film until he showed he could do straight roles too.


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Post by: insaniak


Or any article of video entitled 'You've been doing [x] wrong!' ...


Also people giving their age as '... years young'.


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Post by: Ahtman


Since this is about words it sort of fits here. Today I heard an ad for a prescription medicine (ask your doctor about ect) and I only noticed it because at one point it said "over ninety percent of users don't suffer a stroke"...


Along the lines of "years young" I loathe "fur baby".


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Post by: Haighus


Similar to those is "life hack" which invariably takes four times as long as doing a task normally and with worse results, for clickbait.

A personal bugbear is "heart attack", which is supposed to mean a myocardial infarction (where the heart muscle hasn't got enough oxygen supply) but gets frequently used for cardiac arrests, a much more serious condition that can arise from lots of causes even in someone with a previously healthy heart. A heart attack can lead to a cardiac arrest, but with modern medicine rarely does.


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Post by: Flinty


I can definately see the annoyance on terminology, but as long as saying “heart attack” leads to urgent medical attention then it probably gets the point across



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Post by: Ensis Ferrae


 insaniak wrote:


Also people giving their age as '... years young'.



If the person using the phrase is north of 70, I'll allow it. But people roughly my age (lets just stick with under 40) using it for themselves is just dumb


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Life Hack can definitely get in the bin.

Especially cleaning ones, where the real tip is “don’t be a mucky child born out of wedlock in the first place, and do your washing up every evening, thus precluding any need for especially deep cleaning you clarity, dirty sod”


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/04/01 11:05:56


Post by: Henry


I have two contributions.
"It is what it is." A phrase so tautologically stupid I'm convinced the user must have had oxygen deprivation during their most recent sleep.

"...the actual ...itself". Bear with me on this one as it may be unique to the UK military experience. Usually only used by representatives of the more academically challenged trades when giving instruction. For example "...aim the actual fire extinguisher itself at the base of the fire", "...take hold of the actual rifle itself and load with the actual magazine itself", etc.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


It is what it is?

I use that a fair amount, to acknowledge there’s stuff I can’t really influence. Private or professional life, sometimes it doesn’t matter what you do, it’s just not gonna go as hoped.

It can be overused, and used inappropriately. But as a way to help manage my anxiety, it works for me because I genuinely mean it.


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Post by: Ahtman


Eh, se la vie.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/04/01 17:23:55


Post by: Jadenim


 Ahtman wrote:
Eh, se la vie.


Bravo sir.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/04/01 19:23:29


Post by: Nevelon


Que sera sera…


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/04/01 19:29:01


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Ah sh**e, to use the Scots equivalent.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/04/01 19:38:36


Post by: Jaxmeister


Or people saying scotch when they should be saying Scots in relation to people.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Or just using Scotch.

The word you want is Whisky. All other such liquors are best called “wee wee” 🤣🤣

Though I will accept it for Butterscotch. Spesh if it’s Butterscotch Angel Delight.


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Post by: Haighus


What about Scotch eggs? Or Scotch broth?


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/04/01 21:03:05


Post by: Henry


 Ahtman wrote:
Eh, se la vie.

I find it objectionable when people speak foreign when we're all speaking English. Those other languages all lack that certain je ne sais quoi.


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 Haighus wrote:
What about Scotch eggs? Or Scotch broth?


Scotch in Scotch Eggs doesn’t refer to a country of origin.

Broth is Broth. Scots will do.


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 Henry wrote:
 Ahtman wrote:
Eh, se la vie.

I find it objectionable when people speak foreign when we're all speaking English. Those other languages all lack that certain je ne sais quoi.


Also, it’s ç’est la vie.


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 Henry wrote:
 Ahtman wrote:
Eh, se la vie.

I find it objectionable when people speak foreign when we're all speaking English. Those other languages all lack that certain je ne sais quoi.


Also also? No foreign words = No English


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Post by: Flinty


I saw something recently that noted that scale (to climb), scale (balance for weight measurement) and scale (e.g. fish/lizard) all come from different language origins

Hooray for English


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Three different languages in a trench coat that can and will follow other languages down dark alleys to mug them for loose grammar and verbiage.


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Post by: insaniak


 Flinty wrote:
I saw something recently that noted that scale (to climb), scale (balance for weight measurement) and scale (e.g. fish/lizard) all come from different language origins

Hooray for English

Similar to the common assumption that 'female' is derived from 'male' when the two words actually come from different roots entirely.


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Post by: Haighus


 insaniak wrote:
 Flinty wrote:
I saw something recently that noted that scale (to climb), scale (balance for weight measurement) and scale (e.g. fish/lizard) all come from different language origins

Hooray for English

Similar to the common assumption that 'female' is derived from 'male' when the two words actually come from different roots entirely.

Also true for human and man and woman.


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Post by: Skinnereal


 Henry wrote:
"...the actual ...itself". Bear with me on this one as it may be unique to the UK military experience. Usually only used by representatives of the more academically challenged trades when giving instruction. For example "...aim the actual fire extinguisher itself at the base of the fire", "...take hold of the actual rifle itself and load with the actual magazine itself", etc.
'the actual" and 'actually' are slipping in as 'academical' version of 'like' in sentences. People relaying instructions and in documentaries seem to have picked them up recently, and it is annoying once you hear them. They probably think it makes them sound more authoritative.


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Post by: Cyel


 Flinty wrote:


Hooray for English


Yup




As a Polish person I can tell you that just the fact that you have the same letter standing in for different sounds (or no sound at all) is crazy OO


As for language pet peeves, It drives me slightly crazy when English (mostly native) speakers pronounce foreign words, or English words that are direct loanwords from foreign languages, as if they were English. For example I remember in one Warmachine battle report a player pronouncing Bjorn as if it was something akin to B-John...arrgh. For me it is kind of obvious that such words retain the prononciation of their language of origin - "junta" has Spanish pronounciation and "zeitgeist" has German, even when they are used as parts of an English or a Polish sentence.

But I guess it's what it's...


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Post by: Haighus


Cyel wrote:
 Flinty wrote:


Hooray for English


Yup




As a Polish person I can tell you that just the fact that you have the same letter standing in for different sounds (or no sound at all) is crazy OO


As for language pet peeves, It drives me slightly crazy when English (mostly native) speakers pronounce foreign words, or English words that are direct loanwords from foreign languages, as if they were English. For example I remember in one Warmachine battle report a player pronouncing Bjorn as if it was something akin to B-John...arrgh. For me it is kind of obvious that such words retain the prononciation of their language of origin - "junta" has Spanish pronounciation and "zeitgeist" has German, even when they are used as parts of an English or a Polish sentence.

But I guess it's what it's...

For the most part, I think this comes down to a lack of awareness amongst most native English speakers of differing Latin-based alphabets. I think there is an assumption that all alphabets based on Roman characters are pronounced the same.

It means a word like dziękuję looks absolutely horrific when viewed through an English lense but is really not bad to pronounce at all if you are aware of the different sounds in the Polish alphabet for the same or similar letters. Obviously some phonetics that are found in some languages are completely or commonly absent in others, so not all pronunciation crosses over easily. The classic example being Japanese and the R sound being rolled into L.

On top of this, lots of English keyboards and software routinely block or make it difficult to use characters outside the English alphabet. So for example ł becomes l which really messes with comprehension of the word as they are entirely separate, unrelated letters.


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Post by: gorgon


Cyel wrote:
 Flinty wrote:


Hooray for English


Yup

As a Polish person I can tell you that just the fact that you have the same letter standing in for different sounds (or no sound at all) is crazy OO


As for language pet peeves, It drives me slightly crazy when English (mostly native) speakers pronounce foreign words, or English words that are direct loanwords from foreign languages, as if they were English. For example I remember in one Warmachine battle report a player pronouncing Bjorn as if it was something akin to B-John...arrgh. For me it is kind of obvious that such words retain the prononciation of their language of origin - "junta" has Spanish pronounciation and "zeitgeist" has German, even when they are used as parts of an English or a Polish sentence.

But I guess it's what it's...


Eh. Trying to pronounce foreign words "authentically" often ends up with this kind of thing:




You can't really expect folks to pronounce loanwords like a native speaker. Sometimes the sounds themselves just don't translate. Years ago, a Turkish friend was coaching me on how to pronounce a certain word. My third try was correct, and I didn't have a clue what I did differently from the first two. But there was something subtle in there that she could hear and I couldn't. *shrug*


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Fun fact? It’s generally considered good customer service to pronounce someone’s name correctly. And to that end, there are websites out there which will give an audio pronunciation.

Takes me second to check it and get it into my head, and helps me get off on the best foot with a consumer, Spesh when I ask if I pronounced it correctly afterwards. After all, if I’m seen to be at least trying to get their name right, they’re more likely to accept I do give a damn about their complaint.


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Post by: Cyel


Exactly, any dictionary has audio nowadays and YT lets you check easily "how to pronounce X".

And note that I am mainly talking about actual English words here (present in Cambridge or Oxford dictionaries, like "schadenfreude" or "mojito") that are just directly loaned from other languages. You can immediately see it's not of English origin so pronouncing it as if it was is very much unwarranted.


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Also, you end up less like Zapp Brannigan, which is always good




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Post by: Vulcan


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Three different languages in a trench coat that can and will follow other languages down dark alleys to mug them for loose grammar and verbiage.


Can, will, and regularly DOES....


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Post by: Not Online!!!


 Vulcan wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Three different languages in a trench coat that can and will follow other languages down dark alleys to mug them for loose grammar and verbiage.


Can, will, and regularly DOES....


You stole our Putsch .-. TBF the rest of europe also stole it.

Get your own word for a small military coup! Also you are using it wrong aswell


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Oh. Here’s one.

Artisan.

Just because you made something by hand, doesn’t make you an Artisan, or the end product Artisnal.

Baking for instance isn’t that hard. Provided your measurements are accurate, and you know your oven? Anyone can bake a loaf of bread. To be Artisnal, it better induce some kind of dizzying high, you pretentious manbunned Hipster goon.


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Post by: Easy E


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh. Here’s one.

Artisan.

Just because you made something by hand, doesn’t make you an Artisan, or the end product Artisnal.

Baking for instance isn’t that hard. Provided your measurements are accurate, and you know your oven? Anyone can bake a loaf of bread. To be Artisnal, it better induce some kind of dizzying high, you pretentious manbunned Hipster goon.



As a former professional Bakery owner, I am about to be triggered.





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Post by: Not Online!!!


 Easy E wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh. Here’s one.

Artisan.

Just because you made something by hand, doesn’t make you an Artisan, or the end product Artisnal.

Baking for instance isn’t that hard. Provided your measurements are accurate, and you know your oven? Anyone can bake a loaf of bread. To be Artisnal, it better induce some kind of dizzying high, you pretentious manbunned Hipster goon.



As a former professional Bakery owner, I am about to be triggered.





He is factually wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradesperson

Trades like that count as artisanry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artisan



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Post by: JNAProductions


Dictionaries don’t define what we say, they record it.

And, without casting any aspersions on actual hard-working and well-qualified bakers, I think we can agree that artisanal is overused.
Your bakery, which makes each loaf with care? I don’t mind you taking that label. Panera Bread’s mass-manufactured bread bowl? I do mind.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/04/11 10:58:48


Post by: BertBert


Something I've noticed recently is the use of "right now" to emphazise a statement. Is that an American thing or just new like the use of "literally" in a similar context?


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Post by: Overread


 BertBert wrote:
Something I've noticed recently is the use of "right now" to emphazise a statement. Is that an American thing or just new like the use of "literally" in a similar context?


Like, right now, that's literally what's going on!!!


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Post by: Takanashi Kiwawa


Whenever I hear the word moist, I'm reminded of Tariq Nasheed trying to use it as a homophobic slur. Same with sweet, zesty and "having sugar in your tank".

Zoomer talk in general is annoying, especially the weird slang.


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Post by: Easy E


I love the weird slang! The stranger the better.

Fit - Your style choices in clothes
Rizz - Ability to flirt
Bag 'in - Create a relationship with

It is all so good. I especially love looking at slang from the past and present and intermixing them all together.



No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/04/19 18:23:15


Post by: Flinty


Really hope that “shire” is slang for something. Then you can rock up to people and say: Shire! Bag’ in!


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Post by: Just Tony


Non-words:

Irregardless
Unthaw
Unloosen
Orientate
Conversate
Annotate (Though that may be a legitimate word, but it doesn't feel right at all...)
Sposed

So now we move to redundant phrases:

The reason why - it's either "the reason" or "why", not both
ATM machine
PIN number

Then we have absolute grammar butchery:

Could of
I could care less

And a special category for Zillenial slang twattery:

Rizz
Sus
Stan

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Your not suggesting they just use big words for to sound moar clevererest?


I know you meant this in jest, but the first word ties into a MAJOR pet peeve I have dealing with adults either at work or online: If my daughter was able to nail homophones correctly at age 7, then adults have NO EXCUSE for screwing them up.




And a special note goes out to an anecdote regarding my nephew and sister-in-law. The exact exchange is as follows:

"Now lay down and go to sleep, dear."

"It's 'lie down', Mom."


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Post by: Dysartes


You might not like them, Tony, but both Orientate and Annotate are definitely real words.


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Post by: Haighus


"They annotated their map to better orientate themselves."


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 Easy E wrote:
I love the weird slang! The stranger the better.

Fit - Your style choices in clothes
Rizz - Ability to flirt
Bag 'in - Create a relationship with

It is all so good. I especially love looking at slang from the past and present and intermixing them all together.



I can’t link to any here, but Google “Raffles The Gentleman Thug”.

“I vouchsafed are you scrutinizing the aesthetic exteriority of my bird? You are, aren’t you? You’re observing her embonpoint, you dirty little fornicator”



No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/07 09:35:51


Post by: Crispy78


 Easy E wrote:
I love the weird slang! The stranger the better.

Fit - Your style choices in clothes
Rizz - Ability to flirt
Bag 'in - Create a relationship with

It is all so good. I especially love looking at slang from the past and present and intermixing them all together.



My understanding is that rizz is simply a contraction of charisma...


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/07 10:01:06


Post by: Da Boss


Because I read something that annoyed me today: Calling the Irish language "Gaelic" really annoys me. It's called Irish in English, and Gaelic is the name for the language family which includes Scots Gaelic and Manx. It's like calling English Germanic.

And it's incredible, if you ever correct someone on this, you will be told you are wrong and they will insist it's called Gaelic.

Similarly, Eire is not the name for Ireland in Irish, it's the Irish word for "burden". Éire is the correct spelling. Now, I know. Your keyboard can't do the accent! Okay, so just call it Ireland. Do you go around calling Germany Deutschland in English, or Poland Polska?



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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


No, but I’m often asked by Americans if I’m from Scotland, England.


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Post by: Skinnereal


The answer would probably be "yes, but no" (or "no, but yes").
The counter to that is worse. 'Americans' seem to hate it when you point out that everyone from The Americas are 'Americans', not just USians. Brazilians and Canadians are as American as 'Americans'.
It's the norm now, but for a long time...


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Post by: Just Tony


 Dysartes wrote:
You might not like them, Tony, but both Orientate and Annotate are definitely real words.


You don't "orientate" a weapon, you "orient" the weapon. The problem is that the suffix on the words orientation and conversation is -ation, and therein lies the problem. People can't differentiate between the end of "deflection" and "sensation", as two examples. Just because people use the word "orientate" doesn't mean it's an actual word.

If you want to get RIGHT DOWN TO IT, "irregardless" is in pretty much every dictionary as an improper form of "regardless". Doesn't make it an actual word, though.


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 Haighus wrote:
"They annotated their map to better orientate themselves."



"orient themselves."


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Post by: Cyel


Can anyone explain the new fad of using apostrophed 's for plural? I don't think it used to be a thing but now I see it everywhere.

For example "many wargame's" instead of "many wargames".


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/07 14:43:23


Post by: Haighus


So just decided to look orientated/oriented up. Its a British/US English divide, which explains it.

Two peoples divided by a common language...


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/07 16:01:55


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Annotate is a real word.

“The reason why” is grandfathered in by that song, “you’re gonna be the reason why, when they’re spitting in your eye, they’ll be spitting in your eye.”

Stan is a reference to that Eminem song, right? Anything that makes me thing of that Dido chorus is alright by me.


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Cyel wrote:
Can anyone explain the new fad of using apostrophed 's for plural? I don't think it used to be a thing but now I see it everywhere.

For example "many wargame's" instead of "many wargames".


I don’t know about anyone else, but for me it’s entirely an autocorrect thing, where autocorrect adds in the apostrophe to be “helpful” and sometimes I miss it before posting.


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Post by: Cyel




It even has its own name, awesome!

Btw, scrolling their page I found this:



No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/07 18:46:27


Post by: Just Tony


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Annotate is a real word.

“The reason why” is grandfathered in by that song, “you’re gonna be the reason why, when they’re spitting in your eye, they’ll be spitting in your eye.”

Stan is a reference to that Eminem song, right? Anything that makes me thing of that Dido chorus is alright by me.


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Cyel wrote:
Can anyone explain the new fad of using apostrophed 's for plural? I don't think it used to be a thing but now I see it everywhere.

For example "many wargame's" instead of "many wargames".


I don’t know about anyone else, but for me it’s entirely an autocorrect thing, where autocorrect adds in the apostrophe to be “helpful” and sometimes I miss it before posting.


I acknowledged annotate as a real word, I just said it feels like it shouldn't be as it's awkward and can easily be replaced with note or noted.


And apostrophes take second place only to the comma as the most abused/misused punctuation mark...


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Note and Annotate are different things to my mind.

Note is “this is the relevant bit of the text I intend to quote/rely on”

Annotate is “this isn’t quite correct, so here is my short hand clarification for future reference and update”


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/07 19:47:09


Post by: Manfred von Drakken


 Just Tony wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Annotate is a real word.

“The reason why” is grandfathered in by that song, “you’re gonna be the reason why, when they’re spitting in your eye, they’ll be spitting in your eye.”

Stan is a reference to that Eminem song, right? Anything that makes me thing of that Dido chorus is alright by me.


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Cyel wrote:
Can anyone explain the new fad of using apostrophed 's for plural? I don't think it used to be a thing but now I see it everywhere.

For example "many wargame's" instead of "many wargames".


I don’t know about anyone else, but for me it’s entirely an autocorrect thing, where autocorrect adds in the apostrophe to be “helpful” and sometimes I miss it before posting.


I acknowledged annotate as a real word, I just said it feels like it shouldn't be as it's awkward and can easily be replaced with note or noted.


And apostrophes take second place only to the comma as the most abused/misused punctuation mark...


The Oxford Comma: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_comma

And my favorite punctuation story: https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/09/us/dairy-drivers-oxford-comma-case-settlement-trnd/index.html


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Post by: Haighus


Big fan of the Oxford comma myself. Reduces ambiguity.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/07 20:51:58


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Oxford comma is solid for writing conversationally.

And is punctuation not at least partially there to offer tone?


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/07 23:01:40


Post by: insaniak


 Just Tony wrote:

If you want to get RIGHT DOWN TO IT, "irregardless" is in pretty much every dictionary as an improper form of "regardless". Doesn't make it an actual word, though.

I feel like this really comes down to how you're defining an 'actual word'... it's been in use since at least the 1920, is in the dictionary, and is widespread enough that everyone knows what it means even though it's not considered 'correct' usage, so it definitely seems like an 'actual word'... at worst, it puts it in the same category as any widely used slang or colloquialism.


Having said that, I hate it with a passion and the people who use it should watch their backs, come the revolution...


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/07 23:36:34


Post by: Manfred von Drakken


My biggest pet peeve is people who use the word 'literally' figuratively.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/08 03:51:52


Post by: Just Tony


Thanks to an internet interaction I now have another one to add to the list: neuro spicy.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/08 04:40:28


Post by: Ahtman


Does anyone else ever hear people call turrets "turrents"? On a few occasions from different sources and I don't know where the phantom 'n' is coming from. Maybe it is just an awkward pronunciation, but still, very odd to me.

I don't believe I've heard it irl, but online in gaming where a game has a turret of some sort I hear it being called that.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/08 04:47:30


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Ahtman wrote:
Does anyone else ever hear people call turrets "turrents"? On a few occasions from different sources and I don't know where the phantom 'n' is coming from. Maybe it is just an awkward pronunciation, but still, very odd to me.

I don't believe I've heard it irl, but online in gaming where a game has a turret of some sort I hear it being called that.


I know a couple of people who say “turrents” in real life. And one of them says “Bobba Fett” no matter how hard he tries to stop. It’s like the Simpsons “coffee? Beer?” meme.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/08 06:22:40


Post by: insaniak


Yeah, 'turrents' is a thing. I'm not sure if it's people genuinely not knowing the proper word, or just having difficulty pronouncing it.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/08 11:04:15


Post by: dracpanzer


"Military Grade"

That does not mean what you think it does.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/08 11:18:11


Post by: Overread


 dracpanzer wrote:
"Military Grade"

That does not mean what you think it does.


What people imagine *rugged, tough, durable, made to the highest quality suitable for any harsh outdoor evironment*

Reality *made as cheaply as we could with the cheapest most easily replaced parts. Probably works ok for a while, but will break.*


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/08 11:26:48


Post by: Dysartes


Can't remember if I mentioned it previously, but in a similar vein to the "turrents" thing, people using "tenants" when they meant "tenets"...


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/08 16:47:49


Post by: Bran Dawri


Have we gone over the entirety of Weird Al's "Word Crimes" lyrics' list of crimes against language yet?


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/08 17:23:14


Post by: Just Tony


"It's a mute point."


I cannot expressed the festering hatred.I feel when someone says this or types it.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/08 21:41:04


Post by: Flinty


 Just Tony wrote:


[Snipped]

Just because people use the word "orientate" doesn't mean it's an actual word.

"


I am pretty sure that is in fact how language works


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/08 22:10:59


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Young British Oiks referring to the Police as “The Feds”.

That’s enough hip hop for you young man. Go to your room, and don’t come out until you remember we’ve many, many, many of our own slang words for the Police. Some positive, but mostly negative. Even a few neutral (Rozzers, Peelers)


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/08 22:45:37


Post by: BertBert


"Calvary"


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/09 01:38:57


Post by: Just Tony


 Flinty wrote:
 Just Tony wrote:


[Snipped]

Just because people use the word "orientate" doesn't mean it's an actual word.

"


I am pretty sure that is in fact how language works


Bumbledeeflorp.



By your logic that's now a word.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/09 02:11:13


Post by: JNAProductions


People. Not person.
And there has to be shared understanding


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/09 07:43:59


Post by: Jadenim


 Flinty wrote:
 Just Tony wrote:


[Snipped]

Just because people use the word "orientate" doesn't mean it's an actual word.

"


I am pretty sure that is in fact how language works


Yep, language evolution in action. I’m a bit of a pedant when it comes to words and grammar, I know that the correct word is “orient”, but even I find myself using orientate quite often, because it flows better and fits with the pattern of other, similar words (annotate/annotation, vacate, placate, etc.). And of all the crimes against language that have been brought up in this thread, it’s definitely one of the lesser ones!


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/09 08:05:52


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Not the word, but a dictionary accepted pronounciation.

Drawring. As opposed to drawing.

Just stop it. Your superfluous are is superfluous.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/09 09:09:32


Post by: Haighus


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not the word, but a dictionary accepted pronounciation.

Drawring. As opposed to drawing.

Just stop it. Your superfluous are is superfluous.

Now we are goin' after accents? Next you'll be tellin' me I'm supposed to pronounce the 'g' on the end! Drawrin'.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/09 09:17:20


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Look, I’ve got socks, and half bricks. And I’m not afraid to use them.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/09 09:17:59


Post by: Haighus


 Just Tony wrote:
 Flinty wrote:
 Just Tony wrote:


[Snipped]

Just because people use the word "orientate" doesn't mean it's an actual word.

"


I am pretty sure that is in fact how language works


Bumbledeeflorp.



By your logic that's now a word.

Yes, but one that will probably die with the thread.

All words come from somewhere, and become the norm with enough use. The chief word for our canine friends in English was hound (cognate with hund etc in other Germanic languages). The origin of dog (docga) just randomly appears in late old English, and gradually supplants hound through middle English until it becomes the dominant word in modern English. It has no parallels in other languages at the time. Someone just made it up, and thats now what we call a dog.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/09 09:18:33


Post by: Manfred von Drakken


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not the word, but a dictionary accepted pronounciation.

Drawring. As opposed to drawing.

Just stop it. Your superfluous are is superfluous.


All word-ending 'r's are superfluous in New England.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/09 10:08:51


Post by: Overread





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Post by: Ensis Ferrae


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not the word, but a dictionary accepted pronounciation.

Drawring. As opposed to drawing.

Just stop it. Your superfluous are is superfluous.


My experience watching european broadcasts of sporting events would strong suggest that the people saying that also say things like "honder" instead of Honda, or Purr-geo for Puegeot (this one I'll grant cuz I haven't heard enough french folk saying it)


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/09 16:32:19


Post by: Skinnereal


 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
or Purr-geo for Peugeot
How would you pronounce it? As a Brit (living in a city where they made a lot of these vehicles), we tend to pronounce it roughly 'Pur-show', as the French owners might.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/09 17:24:28


Post by: Crispy78


Poo-goats. They're Poo-goats.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/09 21:17:47


Post by: Flinty


All I remember is that the lion goes from strength to strength, from an advert, in the 1980s, on my Star Wars recorded from telly tape… why has my brain not reallocated that storage lacuna to something more useful????


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/09 21:19:34


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 Flinty wrote:
All I remember is that the lion goes from strength to strength, from an advert, in the 1980s, on my Star Wars recorded from telly tape… why has my brain not reallocated that storage lacuna to something more useful????


Because re-record, not fade away, re-record, not fade away.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/10 06:22:04


Post by: Jadenim


 Flinty wrote:
All I remember is that the lion goes from strength to strength, from an advert, in the 1980s, on my Star Wars recorded from telly tape… why has my brain not reallocated that storage lacuna to something more useful????


Drink more absinthe?


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/10 22:32:07


Post by: Ensis Ferrae


 Skinnereal wrote:
 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
or Purr-geo for Peugeot
How would you pronounce it? As a Brit (living in a city where they made a lot of these vehicles), we tend to pronounce it roughly 'Pur-show', as the French owners might.


As an American, I would think it comes out something closer to "poo-Joe" or "poo-geo" ?? But, as I said, I can't recall hearing too many native French speakers saying it, it just sounds odd to my american ears to hear Brit commentators adding R's and whatnot into seemingly random words.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/11 00:32:04


Post by: insaniak


 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

As an American, I would think it comes out something closer to "poo-Joe" or "poo-geo" ?? But, as I said, I can't recall hearing too many native French speakers saying it, it just sounds odd to my american ears to hear Brit commentators adding R's and whatnot into seemingly random words.

Yeah, nah... that's not a British addition. The 'eu' there in French makes an 'ear' sound like in 'pearl'.



No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/11 02:07:36


Post by: Bran Dawri


But only the 'ea' part of the pearl sound. Not the 'r'. There's no 'r' in the French pronunciation of peugeot.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/11 05:24:15


Post by: insaniak


The nice French man I just listened to on YouTube disagrees...


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/11 09:38:19


Post by: Bran Dawri


And my French teacher and a bunch of Frenchmen I know from work disagree with him.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/11 09:56:11


Post by: princeyg




Because re-record, not fade away, re-record, not fade away.


Why am i not surprised its you of all people who brings up that advert for "Scotch" tapes (its a cool ad though).

My personal bugbear is, and always will be "hotting up"....Gahh, skin crawling just typing it.....


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/11 10:05:53


Post by: Haighus


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.facebook.com/peugeotme/videos/how-to-pronounce-peugeot/4917256431622346/&ved=2ahUKEwjo8eWno9OGAxUUV0EAHWEqDKcQwqsBegQIPBAF&usg=AOvVaw2uKIB3eaMMwlHlOncgpqKN

That is a link to Peugeot's on post on Facebook on the matter.

Puh-jo. Now, there isn't an 'r' in the strict sense, but puh and pur are said basically the same to most UK people because most of the country doesn't use a rhotic 'r' and therefore basically glosses over it in many circumstances. Some areas do (mainly Scotland) so they wouldn't pronounce it like the word contained an 'r'. North America also predominantly speaks rhotic English.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/26 22:42:55


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


“It was a good craic”.

Unless of course you yourself are Irish, in which case crack on.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/26 23:13:41


Post by: Flinty


Seems like the Irish stole it from Scotland/ northern England, Gaelicized it, and the. Scottish Gaelic nicked it back again. So I think it’s pretty fair game anywhere in the UK.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craic

If it’s good enough for Burns, it’s good enough for me.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/27 01:23:02


Post by: IronRose


two terms from the zoomer lexicon Gyatt and mewing turns my spine into a pretzel from cringe.


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Post by: ScarletRose


 IronRose wrote:
two terms from the zoomer lexicon Gyatt and mewing turns my spine into a pretzel from cringe.


So... what you're saying is you're cringemaxxing


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/27 07:41:04


Post by: Bran Dawri


My worst offenders are managementspeak, and (related) overly fancy job titles.
Examples: Barrista, vocalist, executive assistant.
You're a barkeep, singer, and secretary, respectively. There's nothing wrong with any of those, they're perfectly respectable - even honourable - occupations, but being as Dutch as they come, I have an aversion to pretention.

And the only reason to fancify the job title like that is to either be a pretentious gakker or to pretend you don't think those jobs are demeaning when you clearly do. Neither is acceptable to me.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/27 07:54:15


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 Flinty wrote:
Seems like the Irish stole it from Scotland/ northern England, Gaelicized it, and the. Scottish Gaelic nicked it back again. So I think it’s pretty fair game anywhere in the UK.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craic

If it’s good enough for Burns, it’s good enough for me.


Yet I only ever hear it uttered in Oirish Themed Pubs. Usually by braying chinless idiots. Who are most definitely unaware of the word’s origins.


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 IronRose wrote:
two terms from the zoomer lexicon Gyatt and mewing turns my spine into a pretzel from cringe.


I don’t think I’ve heard either.

Though I also cringe when someone has made their fondness for anime their entire personality.

I mean, anime is fine. Whilst I can’t get on with it, I can see the appeal and of course have no issues at all with folks who adore it.

Watch it all day every day? Still no problem.

But when it becomes your entire life, from speech to style to interactions with other people? Maybe get out a bit more.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/27 08:01:07


Post by: Ahtman


You talking about that kid who Naruto runs through the hallway between classes?


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/27 08:21:22


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


That’s the type.

I kind of feel sorry for them, but it doesn’t halt the cringe.


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Post by: Haighus


 Flinty wrote:
Seems like the Irish stole it from Scotland/ northern England, Gaelicized it, and the. Scottish Gaelic nicked it back again. So I think it’s pretty fair game anywhere in the UK.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craic

If it’s good enough for Burns, it’s good enough for me.

Unexpectedly, it comes from Scots and northern English, not Scottish Gaelic, so is actually a word of English origin (Scots being a language that derives from Old English with lowland Scotland being an Anglo-Saxon area historically).


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Yet I only ever hear it uttered in Oirish Themed Pubs. Usually by braying chinless idiots. Who are most definitely unaware of the word’s origins.

Well, you do live "daarn saaarf" so that probably explains it


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/27 13:29:18


Post by: Just Tony


Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Flinty wrote:
Seems like the Irish stole it from Scotland/ northern England, Gaelicized it, and the. Scottish Gaelic nicked it back again. So I think it’s pretty fair game anywhere in the UK.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craic

If it’s good enough for Burns, it’s good enough for me.


Yet I only ever hear it uttered in Oirish Themed Pubs. Usually by braying chinless idiots. Who are most definitely unaware of the word’s origins.


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 IronRose wrote:
two terms from the zoomer lexicon Gyatt and mewing turns my spine into a pretzel from cringe.


I don’t think I’ve heard either.

Though I also cringe when someone has made their fondness for anime their entire personality.

I mean, anime is fine. Whilst I can’t get on with it, I can see the appeal and of course have no issues at all with folks who adore it.

Watch it all day every day? Still no problem.

But when it becomes your entire life, from speech to style to interactions with other people? Maybe get out a bit more.


Ahtman wrote:You talking about that kid who Naruto runs through the hallway between classes?


Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:That’s the type.

I kind of feel sorry for them, but it doesn’t halt the cringe.


There's a word for them, but it's apparently a protected class and that word gets autocorrected by this forum...


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/27 22:15:58


Post by: insaniak


Bran Dawri wrote:
My worst offenders are managementspeak, and (related) overly fancy job titles.
Examples: Barrista, vocalist, executive assistant.
You're a barkeep, singer, and secretary, respectively. There's nothing wrong with any of those, they're perfectly respectable - even honourable - occupations, but being as Dutch as they come, I have an aversion to pretention.

And the only reason to fancify the job title like that is to either be a pretentious gakker or to pretend you don't think those jobs are demeaning when you clearly do. Neither is acceptable to me.

While they are admittedly often used incorrectly, none of those terms you have mentioned are actually interchangeable. It's not just 'management speak' - Singers and vocalists have different skillsets, secretaries and executive assistants have different levels of responsibility, and a barista and a bartender are completely different things.


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Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Ahtman wrote:
You talking about that kid who Naruto runs through the hallway between classes?


They all do that now.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/28 19:11:53


Post by: amanita


Ah. Just noticed this thread. How about words that are misused? I am sick to death of every other sportscaster and many others in the US saying 'myself; instead of 'me'.

THEY AREN'T INTERCHANGEABLE!

'She took myself to the store.'
That bad thing happened to myself.'

Arrrggh!

On a side not, I also hate the term 'price point'. Just say 'price', please.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/28 19:22:44


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Two words.

Human. Capital.

It just seems such an apocalyptic, late stage capitalism “you are not people you are my asset” term.

Like how the US originating software I book my holiday at work terms it as “Absence”.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/28 21:10:26


Post by: Kale


Thats right up there with 'human resources'
I am not a resource to be used up for their benefit


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/29 03:13:00


Post by: Just Tony


Normalcy


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/29 08:57:41


Post by: Flinty


Defined as - Anything you still can’t handle is your own problem.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/29 22:16:58


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Not exactly the word, but what it’s come to entail online.

“Reaction”.

Why….why would I want to watch other people watching something when I could always, y’know, go and watch that thing that they’re watching for myself, and put my own perfectly good mind to good use to figure out what I think of it.

It’s like a “live studio audience” whooping and cheering and laughing like trained chimps, in case the home audience isn’t able to spot when something was at least meant to be funny, or when someone walked into a room - but somehow worse.

Because unlike a live studio audience*, these “reactions” are always carefully rehearsed and scripted, not to mention overblown and over exaggerated.

This is incredibly annoying when I’m trying to find a trailer I want to watch, and Mighty Algorithmo vomits up a bunch of “reacts” first.

*though I have been part of a live studio audience for QI, including when Corey Taylor out of Slipknot turned up. But give that’s a panel show known for audience interaction it’s not as if the panel members are pretending we’re not there**

**unlike Chandler in Friends, the supposed “funny one”, except none of his fellow cast ever actually laugh at his jokes. Mostly because said jokes, like the show, aren’t in fact funny.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/30 02:27:47


Post by: Ahtman


There was a elementary school teacher talking about the kids using the word "chat" to refer to others when talking to each other because so many watch streamers and streamers refer to the viewers while playing.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/30 08:16:25


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


That’s a curious evolution of language, I’d say. Not sure it annoys me personally, but I’m not a teacher. And don’t have kids.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/30 08:22:39


Post by: Flinty


Kids are great for watching language evolve

Playing Fortnite with my son, and when we come across opponents, the call is “kids kids kids”. He’s 11. It’s adorable


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/30 13:19:20


Post by: Ensis Ferrae


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Because unlike a live studio audience*, these “reactions” are always carefully rehearsed and scripted, not to mention overblown and over exaggerated.


I find this to be so true. . . For some odd reason youtube has decided it's a good idea to put music "reaction" videos onto my randomly play next feature. You really, REAAAAAAALLLY expect me to believe that you, the silly youtuber has never ever heard any song by Slayer, much less 2 or 3 of their most famous works? You really expect me to believe you've never ever ever heard of Rage against the Machine? Give me a F-ing break.

Ohh, you're a vocal "coach" and this is your first time ever hearing Rob Halford sing his Judas Priest songs from *checks notes* 1979? What's next, you got a bridge ya want to sell me?


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/30 13:29:24


Post by: Dysartes


For reactions to music, I'd make an exception for The Charismatic Voice, as she's an opera singer generally analysing how the performance came out like that.

And her reaction to Phil Collins performing "In The Air Tonight" live is priceless.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/30 13:59:22


Post by: Cyel


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Two words.

Human. Capital.

It just seems such an apocalyptic, late stage capitalism “you are not people you are my asset” term.

Like how the US originating software I book my holiday at work terms it as “Absence”.


I remember Catbert from Dilbert comic greeting employees by saying "welcome, human resource"


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/30 16:49:15


Post by: IronRose


 ScarletRose wrote:
 IronRose wrote:
two terms from the zoomer lexicon Gyatt and mewing turns my spine into a pretzel from cringe.


So... what you're saying is you're cringemaxxing


crinegmaxxing pretzelcel fr fr ong


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/30 17:53:55


Post by: Just Tony


 Dysartes wrote:
For reactions to music, I'd make an exception for The Charismatic Voice, as she's an opera singer generally analysing how the performance came out like that.

And her reaction to Phil Collins performing "In The Air Tonight" live is priceless.


My personal favorite was her analysis of Ozzy's "Mr. Crowley" when it suddenly pivoted and became all about the guitar work rather than the singing.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/30 18:39:45


Post by: Crispy78


 Dysartes wrote:
For reactions to music, I'd make an exception for The Charismatic Voice, as she's an opera singer generally analysing how the performance came out like that.

And her reaction to Phil Collins performing "In The Air Tonight" live is priceless.


She's awesome, think I love her a little bit. Her metal reactions in particular are a great watch.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/06/30 21:18:28


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Sometimes I like to find reaction videos to really bizarre movies like House or Eraserhead that I didn’t get to watch with an audience just so I can have that communal WTF experience.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/07/03 18:07:01


Post by: Bran Dawri


 insaniak wrote:
Bran Dawri wrote:
My worst offenders are managementspeak, and (related) overly fancy job titles.
Examples: Barrista, vocalist, executive assistant.
You're a barkeep, singer, and secretary, respectively. There's nothing wrong with any of those, they're perfectly respectable - even honourable - occupations, but being as Dutch as they come, I have an aversion to pretention.

And the only reason to fancify the job title like that is to either be a pretentious gakker or to pretend you don't think those jobs are demeaning when you clearly do. Neither is acceptable to me.

While they are admittedly often used incorrectly, none of those terms you have mentioned are actually interchangeable. It's not just 'management speak' - Singers and vocalists have different skillsets, secretaries and executive assistants have different levels of responsibility, and a barista and a bartender are completely different things.


I'll take your word for it - though I don't particularly think making fancy or specific drinks makes you not a barkeep, nor does singing in a more difficult register not a singer, nor being a secretary to a higher level of manager not a secretary. At best these are functionally subsets of the categories I described being watered down.

Or conversely, if they are fundamentally different skillsets - which again I don't think they are - I object to the cheapening of the titles by applying them to people they shouldn't for the feel-good effect or so management can get away with paying people less because the term's become so diluted the title just doesn't command the pay it should.

Neither version's acceptable to me.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/07/03 18:38:30


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


“So to speak”

A hyper specific one, and one around 25 years old.

I once had a colleague who would add “so to speak” to what felt like every sentence. And it drove me completely potty.

I’m all for fancy words and mucking around with them. But that was always a case of him trying to sound more sophisticated.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/07/05 01:04:31


Post by: insaniak


Bran Dawri wrote:
I'll take your word for it - though I don't particularly think making fancy or specific drinks makes you not a barkeep, nor does singing in a more difficult register not a singer, nor being a secretary to a higher level of manager not a secretary. At best these are functionally subsets of the categories I described being watered down.

OK... but then how far do you take that? She's not a 'surgeon'... she's a doctor! He's not a 'biologist'... he's a scientist!

Having a specialist or advanced skill set is precisely why jobs are given different titles from the usual generic version.

I absolutely agree that applying them to positions that don't actually fall into those specific skillsets is a problem, because it's confusing. But that's not a reason for those titles to not exist, just a reason for people to stop inflating positions to make them sound more impressive.


No Sir, I Don't Like It: Words Edition @ 2024/07/05 18:45:02


Post by: Ensis Ferrae


Bran Dawri wrote:

I'll take your word for it - though I don't particularly think making fancy or specific drinks makes you not a barkeep, nor does singing in a more difficult register not a singer, nor being a secretary to a higher level of manager not a secretary. At best these are functionally subsets of the categories I described being watered down.

Or conversely, if they are fundamentally different skillsets - which again I don't think they are - I object to the cheapening of the titles by applying them to people they shouldn't for the feel-good effect or so management can get away with paying people less because the term's become so diluted the title just doesn't command the pay it should.

Neither version's acceptable to me.



On the one hand, I agree with you that using different titles to cheapen or improve job roles is something I dislike, I very much disagree with you that they would apply for your barista/barkeep, singer/vocalist, secretary/executive assistant roles.

Reading what you put down, one of the big ones I have an issue with is "automotive technician" instead of mechanic. Or really, any form of [job] technician: like my pest control company says "service technician" instead of exterminator, or bug hunter or whatever. To me, technician has sort of specific uses and connotations.

Or, at a friend of mine's company they use all kinds of weird, and slightly wrong terms for their jobs. At the lower end of the scale they have "Assembly technician" instead of welder, then "fabrication engineer" when really its "welder supervisor/team lead"


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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 insaniak wrote:
Bran Dawri wrote:
I'll take your word for it - though I don't particularly think making fancy or specific drinks makes you not a barkeep, nor does singing in a more difficult register not a singer, nor being a secretary to a higher level of manager not a secretary. At best these are functionally subsets of the categories I described being watered down.

OK... but then how far do you take that? She's not a 'surgeon'... she's a doctor! He's not a 'biologist'... he's a scientist!

Having a specialist or advanced skill set is precisely why jobs are given different titles from the usual generic version.

I absolutely agree that applying them to positions that don't actually fall into those specific skillsets is a problem, because it's confusing. But that's not a reason for those titles to not exist, just a reason for people to stop inflating positions to make them sound more impressive.


On Doctors and Surgeons?

It’s my genuine pleasure and privilege to have known Graham Haddock, OBE when I was proper tiny. He was part of Mum and Dad’s scouting friends and an all round great bloke.

Of course, being a surgeon, he’s referred to as ‘Mr’ rather than ‘Dr’. Which I know for a fact pisses him right off. And I can fully understand that. Whilst the origins of Dr/Mr are historical? In the modernish day, you can’t be a Surgeon without first getting your medical Doctorate* first and spending a long time getting really really good at being a proper genuine healer.

*unlike me, who just picked a username based on his favourite 40K army on Protent around maybe 1999?


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Post by: insaniak


 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Reading what you put down, one of the big ones I have an issue with is "automotive technician" instead of mechanic. Or really, any form of [job] technician: like my pest control company says "service technician" instead of exterminator, or bug hunter or whatever. To me, technician has sort of specific uses and connotations.

This, again, comes down to how the title is applied, rather than the existence of the title. A mechanic is primarily tasked with maintenance and repair. Automotive Technician is generally a more diagnostic role, which includes training in specialist equipment.

This is going to be more or less the case with any job that adds in that 'technician' title, as you say - it would generally denote more advanced or specialist skills, and is not generally actually interchangeable with the more generic role.

Having said that, if, say, an auto repair shop has all of its mechanics trained to use more advanced diagnostic equipment, then it would be well within its rights to refer to its employees as Automotive Technicians rather than Mechanics. Although in that case it would hopefully be also paying them accordingly... I suspect, for example, that there are a lot of 'Executive Assistants' out there being paid base Secretary salaries...


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Post by: Haighus


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 insaniak wrote:
Bran Dawri wrote:
I'll take your word for it - though I don't particularly think making fancy or specific drinks makes you not a barkeep, nor does singing in a more difficult register not a singer, nor being a secretary to a higher level of manager not a secretary. At best these are functionally subsets of the categories I described being watered down.

OK... but then how far do you take that? She's not a 'surgeon'... she's a doctor! He's not a 'biologist'... he's a scientist!

Having a specialist or advanced skill set is precisely why jobs are given different titles from the usual generic version.

I absolutely agree that applying them to positions that don't actually fall into those specific skillsets is a problem, because it's confusing. But that's not a reason for those titles to not exist, just a reason for people to stop inflating positions to make them sound more impressive.


On Doctors and Surgeons?

It’s my genuine pleasure and privilege to have known Graham Haddock, OBE when I was proper tiny. He was part of Mum and Dad’s scouting friends and an all round great bloke.

Of course, being a surgeon, he’s referred to as ‘Mr’ rather than ‘Dr’. Which I know for a fact pisses him right off. And I can fully understand that. Whilst the origins of Dr/Mr are historical? In the modernish day, you can’t be a Surgeon without first getting your medical Doctorate* first and spending a long time getting really really good at being a proper genuine healer.

*unlike me, who just picked a username based on his favourite 40K army on Protent around maybe 1999?

You can choose to retain Dr instead of going back to Miss/Mrs/Mr, but basically no one does. Some surgeons who trained abroad go by doctor.

But yeah, a surgeon is a medical subspecialty, it isn't a distinct entity these days. The common UK medical degree is Bachelor of Medicine/Bachelor of Surgery (MBBS) or Bachelor of Medicine/Bachelor of Chirurgery (MBChB), and these include medicine and surgery from the get go (all UK doctors should have basic surgery skills like scrubbing up or suturing). The Dr can be dropped again once a surgeon becomes a member of the relevant Royal college (such as Royal College of Surgeons or Royal College of Opthalmologists) which means they have passed the relevant exams on their specialty training program.

As the expression goes, "five years to earn Dr, seven years to lose it again".


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Post by: Ensis Ferrae


 insaniak wrote:
 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Reading what you put down, one of the big ones I have an issue with is "automotive technician" instead of mechanic. Or really, any form of [job] technician: like my pest control company says "service technician" instead of exterminator, or bug hunter or whatever. To me, technician has sort of specific uses and connotations.

This, again, comes down to how the title is applied, rather than the existence of the title. A mechanic is primarily tasked with maintenance and repair. Automotive Technician is generally a more diagnostic role, which includes training in specialist equipment.

This is going to be more or less the case with any job that adds in that 'technician' title, as you say - it would generally denote more advanced or specialist skills, and is not generally actually interchangeable with the more generic role.

Having said that, if, say, an auto repair shop has all of its mechanics trained to use more advanced diagnostic equipment, then it would be well within its rights to refer to its employees as Automotive Technicians rather than Mechanics. Although in that case it would hopefully be also paying them accordingly... I suspect, for example, that there are a lot of 'Executive Assistants' out there being paid base Secretary salaries...


But that's the thing though, the nature of the job of a mechanic has changed to where they basically have a computer diag for them. I worked at an auto dealer, everyone of the mechanics was called a "service technician" but they were mechanics. It's a thing where, at least around here, you can't do the job unless you've been to a school for it. To me, a technician is someone who does not do heavy mechanical repairs. So in this case, the mechanic uses specialized equipment to diagnose that the ECU needs to be replaced, so he does. A technician is on the other end of where that core is sent to, they diagnose the issue and solder a resistor. A technician could be the old school TV or VCR repair shop.

Another example, while I was at the dealership, we had an issue with plumbing, so naturally they go to me in the parts department to line up a plumber. Found a company in the area and their phone person said "ok, we'll send a technician out this afternoon" . . . They sent a plumber. And, it's not a matter of "ohh they are using more advanced skills or diagnostic equipment", because basically every plumber uses the same stuff, but some companies want to try to clean up the job and call them technicians?


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Post by: insaniak


...because basically every plumber uses the same stuff, but some companies want to try to clean up the job and call them technicians?


It's partly marketing, to make the company and their employees sound more professional than others, partly a reflection of the fact that many trades are becoming more technical in nature, but I think it also helps to shift the undeserved impression that many people have of certain trades as being relatively unskilled and uneducated. Changing the name of the job is easier than convincing people that plumbing involves more than just unclogging toilets and replacing sink traps.