I was at warhammer world for the schools league, and Wayde Price was giving us a talk about the new Grey Knights. In this, he mentioned other parts of the inquisition, including the sisters of battle; who he said will be updated later this year!
I wonder if they have a schedule of releases, or if they just do things when they're done, no deadlines, release policy, nothing. A Hobby Business, run like a Hobby.
iproxtaco wrote:A release of Sisters of Battle/Witch Hunters without new plastic Sisters would be so unlikely, or very very stupid.
So your saying it is about 50./50 then given we are talking about GW?
I guess i should add that if the codex is Ecclessiarchy focused and allows you some way to field throngs of zealots, fanatics, redemptionists, priests, fraternis militia and other assorted robed religious crazies then that would be tempting as well (and give me an official way to use the butt loads of such models I have)
CT GAMER wrote:I guess i should add that if the codex is Ecclessiarchy focused and allows you some way to field throngs of zealots, fanatics, redemptionists, priests, fraternis militia and other assorted robed religious crazies then that would be tempting as well (and give me an official way to use the butt loads of such models I have)
But I just finished converting all my redemptionsits into guard. lol
That actually makes it pretty likely. A big cosmic 'ha-ha!' at me.
THE thing they HAVE to have is an amazing comical cannon fodder plastic kit like flagellants but in 40k, all whipped on by some crazy Ecclessiarch priest carried on an Ogryns back.
CT GAMER wrote:I guess i should add that if the codex is Ecclessiarchy focused and allows you some way to field throngs of zealots, fanatics, redemptionists, priests, fraternis militia and other assorted robed religious crazies then that would be tempting as well (and give me an official way to use the butt loads of such models I have)
But I just finished converting all my redemptionsits into guard. lol
That actually makes it pretty likely. A big cosmic 'ha-ha!' at me.
i thought about trading/selling off all my such figs (despite how much I love them), but I know as soon as i do they will release a codex that allows for them again and I'll be pissed...
Besides I hope to play some Necromunda again at some point: I could field about twelve full sized gangs of Cawdor/Redemptionists...
iproxtaco wrote:A release of Sisters of Battle/Witch Hunters without new plastic Sisters would be so unlikely, or very very stupid.
So your saying it is about 50./50 then given we are talking about GW?
I guess i should add that if the codex is Ecclesiarchy focused and allows you some way to field throngs of zealots, fanatics, redemptionists, priests, fraternis militia and other assorted robed religious crazies then that would be tempting as well (and give me an official way to use the butt loads of such models I have)
At the very least, it would shut up the people who complain that the force was being squatted
"Oh, you wanted it right now? But we don't have the plastics ready...so here's your book, instead. Enjoy?"
Kanluwen wrote:At the very least, it would shut up the people who complain that the force was being squatted
"Oh, you wanted it right now? But we don't have the plastics ready...so here's your book, instead. Enjoy?"
*point and laugh*
I would fully approve of them doing this once every 3 months until all the codexes are finished. We can call it the 'Kanluwen- Just Shut up Already' strategy. One codex every 3 months with releases as they finish them for new minis on any army they feel like. It would be CHAOS! Awesome chaos though.
iproxtaco wrote:A release of Sisters of Battle/Witch Hunters without new plastic Sisters would be so unlikely, or very very stupid.
So your saying it is about 50./50 then given we are talking about GW?
I guess i should add that if the codex is Ecclesiarchy focused and allows you some way to field throngs of zealots, fanatics, redemptionists, priests, fraternis militia and other assorted robed religious crazies then that would be tempting as well (and give me an official way to use the butt loads of such models I have)
At the very least, it would shut up the people who complain that the force was being squatted
"Oh, you wanted it right now? But we don't have the plastics ready...so here's your book, instead. Enjoy?"
*point and laugh*
Go ahead GW, Chapter House will have "Gothic Space Nuns" for pre-order within a week of release...
iproxtaco wrote:A release of Sisters of Battle/Witch Hunters without new plastic Sisters would be so unlikely, or very very stupid.
So your saying it is about 50./50 then given we are talking about GW?
I guess i should add that if the codex is Ecclesiarchy focused and allows you some way to field throngs of zealots, fanatics, redemptionists, priests, fraternis militia and other assorted robed religious crazies then that would be tempting as well (and give me an official way to use the butt loads of such models I have)
At the very least, it would shut up the people who complain that the force was being squatted
"Oh, you wanted it right now? But we don't have the plastics ready...so here's your book, instead. Enjoy?"
*point and laugh*
Actually I would take a balanced codex designed for 5th edition. The current one is terrible for dealing with certain armies especailly at low point levels. It has so many holes in it you can drive a Land Raider through them. Remember we only know that they were having trouble with the Sisters. Nothing says they couldn't release the book with the Ecclesiarchy models along with a new Exorcist kit and some other vehicle or two as currently the Ecclelsiarchy has 3 models (2 priests and an old special character) and 3 vehicles (Immolator, Rhino, and Exorcist). I'm not holding my breath though by any stretch.
This is GW's chance to create a core of really serious Inquisitors, backed by some amazing Sisters units, whilst injecting a bit of humor into the Imperium by creating a host of simply fantastical and crazy models.
If Matt Ward writes this, I swear to god, No matter the cost, I will fly the entirety of Dakka over there, supply us all with a hammer, and make sure he doesn't pick up a pen again.
Chowderhead wrote:If Matt Ward writes this, I swear to god, No matter the cost, I will fly the entirety of Dakka over there, supply us all with a hammer, and make sure he doesn't pick up a pen again.
Well at least we waited until the second page before the unreasoning Ward hate crept into a perfectly reasonable conversation. :(
iproxtaco wrote:This is GW's chance to create a core of really serious Inquisitors, backed by some amazing Sisters units, whilst injecting a bit of humor into the Imperium by creating a host of simply fantastical and crazy models.
Visions of mobs of religious rabble whipped into a burninating/eviscerating fenzy by priests and confessors all-the-while backed by arco-flagellants, penitent engines AND led by Uriah Jacobson (A.K.A. "Battle Pope")?
Chowderhead wrote:If Matt Ward writes this, I swear to god, No matter the cost, I will fly the entirety of Dakka over there, supply us all with a hammer, and make sure he doesn't pick up a pen again.
Well at least we waited until the second page before the unreasoning Ward hate crept into a perfectly reasonable conversation. :(
What better place to talk about a heretic like Ward then a SOB thread?
Kanluwen wrote:At the very least, it would shut up the people who complain that the force was being squatted
"Oh, you wanted it right now? But we don't have the plastics ready...so here's your book, instead. Enjoy?"
*point and laugh*
I would fully approve of them doing this once every 3 months until all the codexes are finished. We can call it the 'Kanluwen- Just Shut up Already' strategy. One codex every 3 months with releases as they finish them for new minis on any army they feel like. It would be CHAOS! Awesome chaos though.
Is that the "Just shut up Kanluwen!" strategy or "Kanluwen--Architect of the 'Just shut up already!' strategy"?
At the very least, it's a good idea if they're having issues with the full-scale production of the models. It shows that they haven't completely abandoned the product, and they can get rid of the excess stock too
iproxtaco wrote:This is GW's chance to create a core of really serious Inquisitors, backed by some amazing Sisters units, whilst injecting a bit of humor into the Imperium by creating a host of simply fantastical and crazy models.
Visions of mobs of religious rabble whipped into a burninating/eviscerating fenzy by priests and confessors all-the-while backed by arco-flagellants, penitent engines AND led by Uriah Jacobson (A.K.A. "Battle Pope")?
Kirov says: "KILL THE HERETIC, STORM THE REICHSTAG!"
pretre wrote:I would fully approve of them doing this once every 3 months until all the codexes are finished. We can call it the 'Kanluwen- Just Shut up Already' strategy. One codex every 3 months with releases as they finish them for new minis on any army they feel like. It would be CHAOS! Awesome chaos though.
Is that the "Just shut up Kanluwen!" strategy or "Kanluwen--Architect of the 'Just shut up already!' strategy"? At the very least, it's a good idea if they're having issues with the full-scale production of the models. It shows that they haven't completely abandoned the product, and they can get rid of the excess stock too
Either one will do as long as they strategy is implemented. I'm pretty sure that you get to choose, since it is your name.
It would be kind of brilliant, in its own way. I think they save up codex releases for when they hit a critical mass of models and such and then release them all at once. This way, they can get people buying new armies every 3 months, not just every 6-12.
iproxtaco wrote:This is GW's chance to create a core of really serious Inquisitors, backed by some amazing Sisters units, whilst injecting a bit of humor into the Imperium by creating a host of simply fantastical and crazy models.
Visions of mobs of religious rabble whipped into a burninating/eviscerating fenzy by priests and confessors all-the-while backed by arco-flagellants, penitent engines ANDled by Uriah Jacobson (A.K.A. "Battle Pope")?
I wholeheartedly agree. This army NEEDS to be crazy.
iproxtaco wrote:This is GW's chance to create a core of really serious Inquisitors, backed by some amazing Sisters units, whilst injecting a bit of humor into the Imperium by creating a host of simply fantastical and crazy models.
Visions of mobs of religious rabble whipped into a burninating/eviscerating fenzy by priests and confessors all-the-while backed by arco-flagellants, penitent engines ANDled by Uriah Jacobson (A.K.A. "Battle Pope")?
I wholeheartedly agree. This army NEEDS to be crazy.
We are getting ahead of ourselves, but have my Jacobson waiting in the wings:
And a bunch of these guys in various sttes of completion:
hanging with some friends;
For some reason I can't find a pic of all my other priests, confessors, redemptionsist and zealots. I have close to 80 heavily converted such figs that i used to use for zealot mobs using the Chapter Approved article for them.
i was gonna do a themed IG force ("Martyr Brethren") at some point, but i am keeping my fingers crossed that a new SOB codex will provide a more tempting option...
iproxtaco wrote:This is GW's chance to create a core of really serious Inquisitors, backed by some amazing Sisters units, whilst injecting a bit of humor into the Imperium by creating a host of simply fantastical and crazy models.
Visions of mobs of religious rabble whipped into a burninating/eviscerating fenzy by priests and confessors all-the-while backed by arco-flagellants, penitent engines AND led by Uriah Jacobson (A.K.A. "Battle Pope")?
Kirov says: "KILL THE HERETIC, STORM THE REICHSTAG!"
MY BRAIN! It's exactly as I imagined it, but it needs a LOT more flame themed weapons.
pretre wrote:I would fully approve of them doing this once every 3 months until all the codexes are finished. We can call it the 'Kanluwen- Just Shut up Already' strategy. One codex every 3 months with releases as they finish them for new minis on any army they feel like. It would be CHAOS! Awesome chaos though.
Is that the "Just shut up Kanluwen!" strategy or "Kanluwen--Architect of the 'Just shut up already!' strategy"? At the very least, it's a good idea if they're having issues with the full-scale production of the models. It shows that they haven't completely abandoned the product, and they can get rid of the excess stock too
Either one will do as long as they strategy is implemented. I'm pretty sure that you get to choose, since it is your name.
Then I'd like to call it Kanluwen's "Just shut up the whiners already!" strategy.
It would be kind of brilliant, in its own way. I think they save up codex releases for when they hit a critical mass of models and such and then release them all at once. This way, they can get people buying new armies every 3 months, not just every 6-12.
That's what I've always thought of it as, but I think it may just be that they like having something to 'theme' the releases around. It gives them a sense of order and lets them do silly things like they did with the Orcs & Goblin release where the "Black Gobbo took over the website"
Chowderhead wrote:If Matt Ward writes this, I swear to god, No matter the cost, I will fly the entirety of Dakka over there, supply us all with a hammer, and make sure he doesn't pick up a pen again.
Did you just 'swear to god' that you will hurt Matt Ward for doing his work? You know people have been prosecuted and fined for stuff like illegal threats via facebook etc?
Chowderhead wrote:If Matt Ward writes this, I swear to god, No matter the cost, I will fly the entirety of Dakka over there, supply us all with a hammer, and make sure he doesn't pick up a pen again.
Possibly unconnected but there's a quote in this month's WD from Mr Ward (talking about the GK codex):
' ... the inclusion of the Inquisition and other Imperial agents adds variation and brings in a very different flavour with some of the more exotic wargear. This, in turn, will hopefully follow through on some other projects I'm working on'.
Chowderhead wrote:If Matt Ward writes this, I swear to god, No matter the cost, I will fly the entirety of Dakka over there, supply us all with a hammer, and make sure he doesn't pick up a pen again.
Possibly unconnected but there's a quote in this month's WD from Mr Ward (talking about the GK codex):
' ... the inclusion of the Inquisition and other Imperial agents adds variation and brings in a very different flavour with some of the more exotic wargear. This, in turn, will hopefully follow through on some other projects I'm working on'.
Read into that what you will ...
Or you can read into it that he's working on the Tau codex, which would allow for similar 'exotic wargear' and 'agents' of a sort.
Read into that what you will, since he's supposedly the one doing it
iproxtaco wrote:This is GW's chance to create a core of really serious Inquisitors, backed by some amazing Sisters units, whilst injecting a bit of humor into the Imperium by creating a host of simply fantastical and crazy models.
It's also GW's chance to continue with the theming conventions established in the Space Wolves and Blood Angles codex, and give us a codex full of 'Sister Cannons', 'Sister Claws', 'Sister Strike Missiles', 'Sister Wings', and the 'Super Sister Psyker Attack of Sistery Doom'...
iproxtaco wrote:This is GW's chance to create a core of really serious Inquisitors, backed by some amazing Sisters units, whilst injecting a bit of humor into the Imperium by creating a host of simply fantastical and crazy models.
It's also GW's chance to continue with the theming conventions established in the Space Wolves and Blood Angles codex, and give us a codex full of 'Sister Cannons', 'Sister Claws', 'Sister Strike Missiles', 'Sister Wings', and the 'Super Sister Psyker Attack of Sistery Doom'...
iproxtaco wrote:This is GW's chance to create a core of really serious Inquisitors, backed by some amazing Sisters units, whilst injecting a bit of humor into the Imperium by creating a host of simply fantastical and crazy models.
It's also GW's chance to continue with the theming conventions established in the Space Wolves and Blood Angels codex, and give us a codex full of 'Sister Cannons', 'Sister Claws', 'Sister Strike Missiles', 'Sister Wings', and the 'Super Sister Psyker Attack of Sistery Doom'...
Phil Kelly is supposed to be the person who did it, so I'd expect more along the lines of the Dark Eldar/Space Wolves book(which really didn't have too much offensive in the theme of the naming conventions, aside from Canis Wolfborn and his equipment).
iproxtaco wrote:This is GW's chance to create a core of really serious Inquisitors, backed by some amazing Sisters units, whilst injecting a bit of humor into the Imperium by creating a host of simply fantastical and crazy models.
It's also GW's chance to continue with the theming conventions established in the Space Wolves and Blood Angles codex, and give us a codex full of 'Sister Cannons', 'Sister Claws', 'Sister Strike Missiles', 'Sister Wings', and the 'Super Sister Psyker Attack of Sistery Doom'...
Sister Battle bolters.
Dominator doom guns.
And don't forget the ever popular- Flying Fickle Sister of Fate (tm). [For those of you who are too young or not from the US. This is a reference to an award given out on the show Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In circa 1970. Where people like Goldie Hawn got her start in TV.]
Leo_the_Rat wrote:Sister Battle bolters.
Dominator doom guns.
And don't forget the ever popular- Flying Fickle Sister of Fate (tm). [For those of you who are too young or not from the US. This is a reference to an award given out on the show Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In circa 1970. Where people like Goldie Hawn got her start in TV.]
Leo_the_Rat wrote: And don't forget the ever popular- Flying Fickle Sister of Fate (tm). [For those of you who are too young or not from the US. This is a reference to an award given out on the show Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In circa 1970. Where people like Goldie Hawn got her start in TV.]
And here I thought it was a reference to the Flying Nun from 1967 starring Sally Field.
bloodaxegit: Hi, I was there too (the boston grammar team) ^^ what army were you using?
looking ford to SoBs. providing the kit looks good I'll be making a unit of sisters of slaanesh on principle and doing a full army if the codex is any good lol
Sounds cool. I'll believe it when I see it though.
Necrons and Tau have already been more or less confirmed, and certain information hints to CSM and Templrs getting updates sometime after that. SoB haven't fit into this equation until now...
insaniak wrote:It's also GW's chance to continue with the theming conventions established in the Space Wolves and Blood Angles codex, and give us a codex full of 'Sister Cannons', 'Sister Claws', 'Sister Strike Missiles', 'Sister Wings', and the 'Super Sister Psyker Attack of Sistery Doom'...
DPBellathrom wrote:looking ford to SoBs. providing the kit looks good I'll be making a unit of sisters of slaanesh on principle and doing a full army if the codex is any good lol
Wade Price: I totally did! I told some kids that we'd be putting out Sisters around the end of the year. I bet he's talking about it right now with his internet buddies and they all go like "Is this true? Is this a lie? Who is this Wade guy?"
Jervis Johnson: Compared to my monthly waste of ad space in the company rag, that's just nasty.
Would love for it to be true, but... due to previous rumors of 'soon to come- sister codex releases'... I have to remain skeptical... thank you for the info though
pretre wrote:Found him. Wade Price is part of the Design Studio?
Was. Until today
CT GAMER wrote:Go ahead GW, Chapter House will have "Gothic Space Nuns" for pre-order within a week of release...
No way. Warrior nuns are totally unique to the 40k universe ... and Warmachine ... and Helldorado ... and Rezolution ... and Dark Age ... and Infinity ...
And I am expecting plastic Sororitas for the first wave. Don't expect Scotty to give accurate times about when something will be ready
Wade Pryce is, according to White Dwarf, the guy who controls the rumours, so if anyone would know, it'd be this guy.
Source: a WD that's not on me ATM, but it's about the Chaos Mighty Empires campaign. Pryce plays a strong Khorne army, and it describes him as the design team ninja or something. Will quote it when I get home from school.
CT GAMER wrote:
pretre wrote:
Chowderhead wrote:If Matt Ward writes this, I swear to god, No matter the cost, I will fly the entirety of Dakka over there, supply us all with a hammer, and make sure he doesn't pick up a pen again.
Well at least we waited until the second page before the unreasoning Ward hate crept into a perfectly reasonable conversation. :(
What better place to talk about a heretic like Ward then a SOB thread?
By SOB did you mean Sisters, or......
But yeah, I agree. Kelly should get it. Cruddance better not. I enjoy his codexes, except for EVERYTHING BIG TO SQUADRONS!
Kroothawk wrote:
pretre wrote:Found him. Wade Price is part of the Design Studio?
Was. Until today
Wow, really? Sheesh, they're cutting loose the good ones, aren't they.
But yeah, I agree. Kelly should get it. Cruddance better not.
If this really is being released this year then there's no debate about who should get it because that decision is already in the past. Remember, book and accompanying models have to concur and the lead time on all that production is far ahead of scheduled release.
Confessor Kyrinov is the Battle Pope
You mean "battle poop". No one wants that model based on how it does on eBay. I saw a brand new unpainted one go for less than $10 on eBay last week.
bloodaxegit wrote:I was at warhammer world for the schools league, and Wayde Price was giving us a talk about the new Grey Knights. In this, he mentioned other parts of the inquisition, including the sisters of battle; who he said will be updated later this year!
Bit early for April Fool's.
What next some clown telling us the Jokero and the Ordo Xenos are coming back this year?
kenshin620 wrote:Hmm I remain skeptical. Already theres a boatload of releases for this year, seems to good to be true to pander to almost all the old stuff
Although I can't ever object to older books like the Grey Knights (DH) or Sisters (WH) being updated I think that the recent releases have been a bit too Imperium heavy (5th ed so far has 5 imperium codices and 2 xenos codices). We need a streak of xenos books (Necrons, then Tau, then Eldar and Chaos) to bring the rest of the stuff up to par, but it seems like some of that won't make it in before sixth edition.
kenshin620 wrote:Hmm I remain skeptical. Already theres a boatload of releases for this year, seems to good to be true to pander to almost all the old stuff
Although I can't ever object to older books like the Grey Knights (DH) or Sisters (WH) being updated I think that the recent releases have been a bit too Imperium heavy (5th ed so far has 5 imperium codices and 2 xenos codices). We need a streak of xenos books (Necrons, then Tau, then Eldar and Chaos) to bring the rest of the stuff up to par, but it seems like some of that won't make it in before sixth edition.
If rumors are true though, crons/tau may have this year. If sobs also got here then no pre 4th edition codex would be left and that seems a bit surreal for gw
Doop Dude wrote:Wade Pryce is, according to White Dwarf, the guy who controls the rumours, so if anyone would know, it'd be this guy.
Really? So there’s a person I can blame now as opposed to just blaming the nebulous entity that is GW? Imagine that – this guy’s job is to ensure that their customer base knows as little as possible about their upcoming releases. They actually pay someone to ensure that the people who are going to buy their products are kept in the dark about future releases.
I’m... at a loss for a word to describe this... ‘extraordinary’ isn’t enough... astonishing... mind boggling... ah! Wait! Got it:
cyrax777 wrote:Like I told the guy at gamestop when he started the preorder pitch about duke nukem forever. I will belive it when I have a copy in my hands.
Really? A preorder pitch for Duke Nukem Forever?!?! Dude's got a pair that would make the Taurox envious!
Oh wait... There's a rumor about a new Adepta Sororitas codex coming? Cool... Although to be honest, I'd (purely selfishly!) actually prefer just a .pdf update or, at most, a new 'Dex without a ton of new models. I think I'm done painting white armor for my OotSR and I'd hate to have GW add a ton of new goodies that would make the old stuff OBE.
The thing is they raked a load of the sisters stuff over into the grey knights to pad it out, so that would leave you with two army in one year that share half their models... it would be like the same army but with female heads - and possibly a nemesis dread-nun...
i could believe they are thinking about doing them and even starting to design them - but also that you will be waiting another five years to see them, if you want a sisters army just go buy the GK codex and us it as a counts-as.
arkapello wrote:The thing is they raked a load of the sisters stuff over into the grey knights to pad it out, so that would leave you with two army in one year that share half their models... it would be like the same army but with female heads - and possibly a nemesis dread-nun...
i could believe they are thinking about doing them and even starting to design them - but also that you will be waiting another five years to see them, if you want a sisters army just go buy the GK codex and us it as a counts-as.
Why do people keep saying this? We have a functional codex currently, but we want one without so many holes in it. We know that work was started on the codex and models some time ago so its not unrealistic to expect one "soon". I can't imagine one author being so lazy as to copy another author's work almost entirely (at least not within this current design phase). Maybe a unit or two like Dark Eldar though. Personally I don't want any Inqusition or Assassins at all despite how cool some of the rules are.
agnosto wrote:If that's true, my Tau are quietly crying in their box, in the closet, under a layer of dust. 10pts for a sister?
Pretty sure it's fake but still.... *sob*
Why not the current codex we pay 11 points for a Sister. You must buy a minimum of 10 sisters and buy a Veteran to have access to the faith special rules its about right.
arkapello wrote:The thing is they raked a load of the sisters stuff over into the grey knights to pad it out, so that would leave you with two army in one year that share half their models... it would be like the same army but with female heads - and possibly a nemesis dread-nun...
Although I was shocked when I found out Karamazov joined the Grey Knights, I had the slight hope that Sisters would be part of Codex: Imperial Exclesiarchy rather than Codex: SoB or Codex: Witchhunters.
Codex Witchhunters is not possible anymore, as I think that GW does not want to share units between codexes ( that are not Space Marines, duh!).
So no Inquisitors, but instead Priests + Zealot mobs.
The Screenshots are indeed... stunning I guess. Close Combat arbites, yay!
Edit: THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. I want my Necron update ASAP!
Damn it GW. . . I know they get raging game-ons for imperial forces & Sisters need an update but I'd like to see some more variety than the current <Marines> <Not Marines> <Marines>. I know SoB aren't marines but in terms of gameplay they are close enough for me, just IG vets in PA.
So, just checking, who here thinks the title for this thread, "Codex: Sisters of battle confirmed for 2011!" is accurate and who thinks that the "confirmed for 2011!" is a misnomer and premature hyperbole?
I'm going to call bull on the "codex" images for now.
I just find it unlikely that they'd follow GK with Sisters. Especially with the known issues they were having with the sculpts. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if they do hit in 2011 as the last release of the year.
I still think tau or necrons will pop in first.
As for BrassScorpion's quesiton, I'd say "confirmed for 2011" is a stretch. I wouldn't consider anything 'confirmed' definitively until rumors consistent with each other start coming out regularly and some pictures of minis leak out.
I don't think they meant Sisters were next. IF Tau/Necrons(whichever comes next) make it around July/August, with the rate GW's been pushing books out this half of the year, I could see a possible November/December release for SoB, with a Fantasy book in the October slot, which fits the suggestions some people have put forth of a 3rd Fantasy book this year and gives us 3 books for each system(when was the last time that happened?).
Same handwriting as appeared in the leaked GK codex.
Do we have a comparison? we could get some forensically minded people to have a look. Additionally where is the source material? Finally was the written on GK codex the actual prototype and how do we know?
Until GW announce 6 months before hand, giving melissa and about 100 other people here a nerdgasm, and then leave us hanging (like Tomb kings YES THEY'RE COMING!, NO YOU CANT HAVE INFOR OR PIX!) I won't believe it.
Yes doubting Thomas. But he was the scientist.
Same handwriting as appeared in the leaked GK codex.
Do we have a comparison? we could get some forensically minded people to have a look. Additionally where is the source material? Finally was the written on GK codex the actual prototype and how do we know?
Well, the fact that the actual Grey Knights Codex was almost identical to the leaked one convinced me that the "written on GK codex" was the actual prototype.
As for the writing, it does look the same. I just opened up two windows on my computer and looked at them side-to-side and looked for same letters to compare and they look the same.
Kanluwen wrote:Something bothers me about the handwriting.
It looks too much like a font.
Getting into the realms of paranoia there?
Maybe, but there's just something 'off' about it in my eyes.
I mean, if you look at the strike-through on the "Battle" part of the battle garb or the infiltration special rule--they look weirdly angled, like someone tried to simulate a pen strike-through and the text notes in Microsoft Paint.
Only if they add a jump pack option.. Thats the real reason GKs and BA are 5 for 33$.. They added some spiky bits to a backpack and called it a personal teleporter
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Why does anyone care about plastic sisters? They'll cost nearly as much as the pewter did
Seriously? For the same great reasons as always: faster to build, easier to convert, holds paint better, lighter to store, less easily paint chipped, and lots more bits in a set.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Why does anyone care about plastic sisters? They'll cost nearly as much as the pewter did
Seriously? For the same great reasons as always: faster to build, easier to convert, holds paint better, lighter to store, less easily paint chipped, and lots more bits in a set.
I love it how every rumor is called BS at first. I should go back and look at all the old threads and see how accurate the rumors were. Honestly when posts come up like this, how often do they prove to be false?
Writing doesn't look like a font. Too many differences yet it has the same characteristics. (a's not closed, looped d's, slight curvature of t crossbar etc)
Compare with GK?
How long when we seen the GK pix until GK released?
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Why does anyone care about plastic sisters? They'll cost nearly as much as the pewter did
Seriously? For the same great reasons as always: faster to build, easier to convert, holds paint better, lighter to store, less easily paint chipped, and lots more bits in a set.
Or in simpler terms... because pewter sucks
Because horrid mold lines/offset molds on any GW plastics I've bought in the past two years (which isn't very many, granted) don't completely ruin the model... Fact is, plastic minis should cost significantly less than pewter.
Well, no one has ever said THAT about the price of plastic vs. pewter here on Dakka before. What a startling revelation. GW models are expensive, we get it.
Now that someone is trying to turn this thread into another endless debate about the fairness of GW pricing I know this thread is dead, deceased and decayed.
Someone please chop the head off this thread (i.e., close it) and someone else start a new one about SoB when there is something more useful again to report down the road.
I have doubts but looking at the Power Armour Grey knight box its not beyond belief.
I mean one Sisters box could potentially cover two or three squad types. As much like the Grey knights the sisters themselves will look very similar in most of their unit types.
It would also have brought most of the Codex's desperate for an update (If Necrons gets done this year as well) up to some kind of standard.
Would be a nice move by GW if true, as I said though, hard not to doubt this. Doubt, with a slight hope it is true would be the best way to describe my feelings on the matter.
@Kurgash: Right, you disregard this after knowing it came from a member of the citadel design team. When the models come out, I'LL be the on laughing......
bloodaxegit wrote:@Kurgash: Right, you disregard this after knowing it came from a member of the citadel design team. When the models come out, I'LL be the on laughing......
Well he might be disregarding the "leaked playtest codex" part of this thread which has caused some stir. As a devoted Sisters player I'm hopeful but a bit skeptical.
bloodaxegit wrote:@Kurgash: Right, you disregard this after knowing it came from a member of the citadel design team. When the models come out, I'LL be the on laughing......
And when said hopes and beliefs are dashed on the rocks of reality what then? I've got my own sources of info, ones I put more stock into than internet musings and interpretations. As far as this whole thing goes, some claim to hear one thing, others heard another. We hear what we want to hear so by simply saying 'I heard him say this at such and such event' really draws not enough belief.
He could have said 'donkey rammus lightsaber fiddle cabob' and your mind would go 'OMG SQUATS ARE COMING!'
It's not an internet musing or interpretating; i was there, he gave a speech about the inquisition in which he stated, and I quote "Codex sisters of battle is coming out later in the year"
You can say it all you like till the end of the year but I still hold my skeptism. I'm not sure why you are getting so defensive over one guy not believing your words, that is how things in the rumor business go. Now if you are getting flustered as maybe I'm onto something then that is another ordeal.
I don't believe you. You believe what your heard. Trying to convince me with the same thing of 'I definitely heard what he said!' isn't getting anywhere. Unless you had a recording of him speaking, video footage and the like, MAYBE I'll lean your way but for now,
Somebody on the BoK network posted what seems a photo from a playtest version of the SoB codex... It shows the entries for sisters of battle squads and adeptus arbites with points and wargear options.
Ofc no description about the single items... I dunno if I can post it here or link it or whatever. If I can, tell me and I'll provide the link.
Sorry about getting a bit argumentative, but if you ask Lokirfellheart or dandan1350 they will confirm it. There were many people there, so if you know anyone who was in the schools league regional final ask them...
I wish the "leak" codex stuff is true - because not only do i want arbites... I want plastic arbites.
If those were made I predict those sets selling enough to give even space marines a run for thier money. people doing Arbite count-as armies, buying sets to jazz up thier pre-existing guard armies, using them as the basis for Inq henchmen from the GK codex (that would be my intended use), and of course buying them to use in the SOB codex, and assorted random projects (=I=munda, hobby painting, ect...)
GeckoOBac wrote:Somebody on the BoK network posted what seems a photo from a playtest version of the SoB codex... It shows the entries for sisters of battle squads and adeptus arbites with points and wargear options.
Ofc no description about the single items... I dunno if I can post it here or link it or whatever. If I can, tell me and I'll provide the link.
GeckoOBac wrote:Somebody on the BoK network posted what seems a photo from a playtest version of the SoB codex... It shows the entries for sisters of battle squads and adeptus arbites with points and wargear options.
Ofc no description about the single items... I dunno if I can post it here or link it or whatever. If I can, tell me and I'll provide the link.
Look back at page 5 of this very thread
All I see is people arguing over the truthness of the OPs claim...
GeckoOBac wrote:Somebody on the BoK network posted what seems a photo from a playtest version of the SoB codex... It shows the entries for sisters of battle squads and adeptus arbites with points and wargear options.
Ofc no description about the single items... I dunno if I can post it here or link it or whatever. If I can, tell me and I'll provide the link.
Look back at page 5 of this very thread
All I see is people arguing over the truthness of the OPs claim...
GeckoOBac wrote:Somebody on the BoK network posted what seems a photo from a playtest version of the SoB codex... It shows the entries for sisters of battle squads and adeptus arbites with points and wargear options.
Ofc no description about the single items... I dunno if I can post it here or link it or whatever. If I can, tell me and I'll provide the link.
Look back at page 5 of this very thread
All I see is people arguing over the truthness of the OPs claim...
Page counts on forums may differ. It's back a page or two for you, most likely.
GeckoOBac wrote:Somebody on the BoK network posted what seems a photo from a playtest version of the SoB codex... It shows the entries for sisters of battle squads and adeptus arbites with points and wargear options.
Ofc no description about the single items... I dunno if I can post it here or link it or whatever. If I can, tell me and I'll provide the link.
Look back at page 5 of this very thread
All I see is people arguing over the truthness of the OPs claim...
I'm with Blackfang and Kanluwen: this snapshot feels wrong. To summarize the problems, they range from font to justification to typos (I've rarely seen GW writers make the "it's"-possessive mistake before) to using "Hellgun". Heck, even the clauses feel wrong This one smells strongly of salt, sadly.
Not that a Sisters codex -wouldn't- fit smoothly after the next xeno release: they're at least as different from the Grey Knights as any two Marine flavors are from each other, and we all know that at least every other release has to be Imperial.
As for plastic multi-use Sisters, that would be inevitable. And if there's no Sisters equivalent of Terminators, they would be needing a second plastic basic set, so frateris or Arbites or something would make sense.
Lord Scythican wrote:I love it how every rumor is called BS at first. I should go back and look at all the old threads and see how accurate the rumors were. Honestly when posts come up like this, how often do they prove to be false?
Given the whole secrecy attitude GW currently has going on I find it very hard to believe that a member of the design (sculpting?) team would just flap out a "confirmation" like this.
Last we heard, and that wasn't that long ago, they were still having trouble sculpting, and now suddenly they are supposedly so far along that an actual release for this year could be guaranteed (by a sculptor). Very unlikely.
However, I never like to say never when it comes to these things, so If we get 3 releases this year then maybe, but more than likely his words were misinterpreted, or he was just talking out of his bunghole altogether to get some kids excited.
Secrecy? We knew up to the point of Dark Eldar and Grey Knights this time last year, I even predicted pretty much to the month when both would be released based off of the info we had. We have a decent idea what's coming next too.
As far as all the dorks who say "PDF", no. If any army deserved to have a PDF codex it would have been Space Wolves and Blood Angels, but they still got full books. I think GW is staying away from PDF codices.
Melissia wrote:
As far as all the dorks who say "PDF", no. If any army deserved to have a PDF codex it would have been Space Wolves and Blood Angels, but they still got full books. I think GW is staying away from PDF codices.
Yes, the once Poster boys (BA) of WH40K should have got a .pdf instead of a full book.
Blood Angels are nothing more than a sub-army of Space Marines, and yet they still got a full codex. Sisters are a full on unique army, something that Blood Angels will never be able to claim.
Blood Angels are nothing more than a sub-army of Space Marines, and yet they still got a full codex. Sisters are a full on unique army, something that Blood Angels will never be able to claim.
Lord Scythican wrote:I love it how every rumor is called BS at first. I should go back and look at all the old threads and see how accurate the rumors were. Honestly when posts come up like this, how often do they prove to be false?
Summer of flyers?
Why not use GW's official name "Wartorn Skies" when debunking that rumour?
Anyway: Stickmonkey's monthly rumour post:
I'm posting this in news and rumors only as it's relevant to upcoming releases. I received word yesterday my "blackout" clause of my NDA for 3 upcoming codex armies would go in to effect April 1. (ha, that's what I thought too.)
Those three armies are Tau, Necron, and SoB.
Now the earliest they've ever enacted this on me before has been 6 months out. And the shortest duration has been 2 months out. I have no info telling me A. What order any of these codexes will be released. B. That they will be consistent with that duration. Just thought it may serve as additional evidence for what's on the horizon.
BramGaunt wrote:
Sarevok wrote:hopefully Necrons first, then Sisters then Tau last
According to what I heard, that's it.
Harry wrote:Sisters were started just over six months after Grey Knights so it follows they would be finished just over six months after Grey Knights.
It also follows that whoever wrote Grey Knights was not the lead writer on Sisters.
(Because they were always separate projects)
StraightSilver wrote:As for Sisters, the plastics went Beta in February apparently (from a not so reliable source), and it's normally a long while before they get released after that, but it's possible it could be Q1 2012?
BramGaunt on the scans:
I don't buy this. looks like someone took his good time to produce it...
I hope they do put Arbites into the SoB codex, always loved the models, and when it comes out my current IG with SoB allies will have to be expanded into 2 separate armies, and some plastic Arbites would be super
Manchu wrote:IN ANY CASE, they will very likely get their own book. I'd like to know if there is any source to this PDFery.
I've never seen anything regarding a source for such. If I had to, I'd guess that it originated from the current state of the codex (i.e. a free PDF on GW's site - albeit one taken from an existing book).
Regarding this rumor, Warseer has someone who's just as adamant that they heard an official GW person state 2012. If I had to guess - and assuming that both sources are legit - then I'd guess that Sisters are tentatively slated for the end of the year, but could still easily slip into early 2012.
IN ANY CASE, they will very likely get their own book. I'd like to know if there is any source to this PDFery.
A sisters of battle pdf has been mentioned on Dice Like Thunder/Eternal Warriors podcast via their rumor source firemanguy. That is the only source of that rumor that I know of and that was some time ago. Other then that I think its been pure speculation based on the whole 'issues with sisters plastics' and the inclusion of witchhunter units in the grey knight codex.
I wouldn't be shocked if GW did a temporary pdf for sisters until they can get a full model revision completed but I doubt that is what they'll do.
H.B.M.C. wrote:But nice to see the (typical) Sisters player sense of entitlement is alive and well in you Melissia.
Have you met M before?
With nearly 7600 posts in less than a year, who hasn't?
On Topic, SoB will probably get pushed to January of 2012, Tyranid style.
GW likes to plan a grand scheme and pack the year full, then realizes about mid-summer that they left no room for all that fat holiday shopping from October to December and shuts down new releases.
I found this too. At last we know what an Arcabalista is.
edit:
This garbage come from a 4chan thread and this was posted hours after the other three, and yes it looks different than the others. Who can say what any of this means for credibility. To further add to the unsourcable mishmash of rumor. I'm a long time Sisters player and my local red shirt has assured me that I'll see plastics soon take that again, for whatever it's worth.
I would love to see a New Sisters Codex. They are much (and Ordos Hereticus too!) my favourite 40k force.
Be nice if it was this year or early 2012. I could deal with that.
And if it works in the same way as the GK plastics, Basic SoB could be used for Battle Sisters, Dominions, Celestians and Retributor squads. Would offer a lot of options.
Then Exorcist and Seraphim as the other plastic kits would be nice too.
The Arcaballista is the same thing as the Stake-Crossbow in the WH codex.
Stake Crossbow
Assault 2, 24" psykers wounded on 2+ and no Armour save.
S3 Ap5 for everything else
Arcaballista
Assault 1, Sniper, 24", psykers and daemons wounded on 2+
SX, Ap5
I dont really see the point in taking one though, the old one was better in all cases. New one is more of a gimmic, needing rending to be useful and Pinning isn't that reliable unless the Sisters get some new -Ld auras.
Why take the crossbow when a melta is better, you will want to be in 12" rapid fire range anyway.
Manchu wrote:Please refrain from turning Sisters threads into Melissia threads and/or cooperating in this venture.
Drop it already... just because you don't like Sisters is no reason to repeatedly troll every Sisters thread that pops up until they all get closed....
Sound reasoning. Should be applied to laying out comments concerning other Codex releases that have been ahead of the SoB.
Manchu wrote:Please refrain from turning Sisters threads into Melissia threads and/or cooperating in this venture.
Drop it already... just because you don't like Sisters is no reason to repeatedly troll every Sisters thread that pops up until they all get closed....
Sound reasoning. Should be applied to laying out comments concerning other Codex releases that have been ahead of the SoB.
If the feelings of any Blood Angels or Space wolves players have been hurt, I offer them an apology and hope they can now carry on with life...
CT GAMER wrote:
If the feelings of any Blood Angels or Space wolves players have been hurt, I offer them an apology and hope they can now carry on with life...
All better now?
I wasn't referring to you. Thanks anyway.
You should tone it down some as HMBC isn't the only one that can bring down a thread.
And I did, despite how obnoxious it is to see people willfully misinterpreting my posts.
So back on topic...
Based off of the leaked pages (if they are indeed real), Arbites look like an interesting close combat unit. The militia not so much (BS2? And stub weapons are actually generally inferior to las weapons, not superior... and redemptionists are a distinct sect of the Ecclesiarchy, these would be called Frateris Militia, not Redemptionists...).
Melissia wrote:And I did, despite how obnoxious it is to see people willfully misinterpreting my posts.
So back on topic...
Based off of the leaked pages (if they are indeed real), Arbites look like an interesting close combat unit. The militia not so much (BS2? And stub weapons are actually generally inferior to las weapons, not superior... and redemptionists are a distinct sect of the Ecclesiarchy, these would be called Frateris Militia, not Redemptionists...).
I play Orks so BS2 doesn't phase me. I just want to be able to field tons of them and be able to sprinkle in some flamers and eviscerators...
I think they should stick with something like "mob weapons" as it is vague enough to allow alot of creative modelling and converting
I don't like the "infiltration" thing, though I suppose they would justify it as the mobs having rushed forward "braveheart" style to engage the enemy driven by their zealous anger or similar, though I think a scout move would make more sense and could be justified with the same fluff concept...
I wonder if these guys will be limited? Will only be able to field one zealot mob per SOB squad fielded or a max like 0-3 or something? I hope not, unless they include a special character that unlocks them and allows greater numbers...
Doop Dude wrote:Wade Pryce is, according to White Dwarf, the guy who controls the rumours, so if anyone would know, it'd be this guy.
Really? So there’s a person I can blame now as opposed to just blaming the nebulous entity that is GW? Imagine that – this guy’s job is to ensure that their customer base knows as little as possible about their upcoming releases. They actually pay someone to ensure that the people who are going to buy their products are kept in the dark about future releases.
I’m... at a loss for a word to describe this... ‘extraordinary’ isn’t enough... astonishing... mind boggling... ah! Wait! Got it:
Stupid.
WD348, December 08, pg. 20 (Australian Edition) wrote:Wade Pryce - the word of Wade is law, so it is said, because he decides when we can tell you about all the cool new stuff. He refers to himself as the Studio's "communications ninja" - we reckon that means you can never find him when you need him.
sleezesteve wrote:
"Infiltration"? Hmm.... I'm taking salt with this, but those Arbite rules look awesome. And I can't wait to see models. Necromunda Enforcers/Grenadier IG Vets/Inq Henchmen, here we come...
H.B.M.C. wrote:Hold the phone - leaked pages?
What page of this thread were they on?
Haven't you been reading, or can't you see through all the needless flak you've been getting? 4 and 6, I believe.
But again, this, to me, requires every piece of salt in a pirates beard.
I assume it's to represent them "hiding in plain sight", not being distinguishable from civilians from a distance and thus not being treated as a high priority.
Doop Dude wrote:Haven't you been reading, or can't you see through all the needless flak you've been getting? 4 and 6, I believe.
But again, this, to me, requires every piece of salt in a pirates beard.
I tend not to read Sisters threads. They always tend to be the same. A whole lotta 'what about me!!!' going on...
And thankyou. I found the pics now. All I can say is:
Sisters - Ok. Arbites - The raping! The raping of the fluff! Shotcannons are not the same as Arbite Combat Shotguns guns! Where are my Executioner rounds! AHHH!! *deep breath*
Say it with me - [chant]The fluff is arbitrary. They will change what they want to sell a new kit. The fluff is arbitrary. They will change what the want to sell a new kit. [/chant]
And speaking of new kits:
Repressor - I don't think so. Hybrid-to-full plastic Exorcist? Yes. Full-plastic Penitent to replace the metal one? God I hope so. A slightly bulkier Rhino as the SoB's big 'draw card' release? I don't think so... Redemptionists - Mr. Handwriting is right. That doesn't fit the fluff.
Kirasu wrote:I fully expect sisters to get a codex and then 1-2 months later a new edition will come out just like every other time theyve gotten a new book
Why do you think they might be rushing to get the bottom of the barrel out quickly? I fully expect a new edition announcement sometime in between Necrons and Sisters, assuming we get an announcement at all and don't just have 6th ed boxes appear in stores thanks to the 'communications ninja'. I suppose he works for his money though, stomping on all those rumors and releases can't be easy.
AlexHolker wrote:I assume it's to represent them "hiding in plain sight", not being distinguishable from civilians from a distance and thus not being treated as a high priority.
There's nothing about a Redemptionist that involves 'hiding'. They're bright red psychopaths wielding flamers, chainswords and all manner of other very loud and obvious weapons.
You just couldn't leave it, could'ja? I mean I'm even discussing the rumours, and even then, ya had to cherry pick the one comment from the start and try and be cute about it. Well done.
I am a SoB player and fan. I am sick and tired of every thread about them dragged into being locked. I don't care who started it because I am finishing it. No more. At all. Suspensions to follow.
Although I think the 'leaked screenshots' are bollocks, I am a big fan of Redemptionists. I hope they make it back into the real book. Heck, they can either rebox the old Red models or just officially say they look more like the Flagellants now.
OT: I LOVE the flagellants box. It is a badass plastic kit.
I assume it's to represent them "hiding in plain sight", not being distinguishable from civilians from a distance and thus not being treated as a high priority.
Not what I meant by having that in quotation marks. Since when has Infiltrators been called Infiltration? This is what mainly makes me call this a fake.
I've got all the old Red models, the current Red models (which are great, if pricey), and about... oh... 60-ish Flagellant models converted over to 40K. Plus all the actual Priest/Missionary models GW has made. Even got the Mordheim Preacher. And the Ex-Illis Priests and converted them into Imperial Priests.
I have about 60 of the 'old' Red models. Bitz ordered them back in the day for when you could field the 20 man mobs with 4 eviscerators.
Unfortunately, I just converted them all to guardsmen, so it will be just my luck if they bring them back and I have to rip off meltaguns and such. lol
I do have Kyrinov and Jacobus, some mordheim models for priests (they make such good count-as) and all that. They're making good PCS, CCS, Commissars and sgts in my guard as well. My poor guard army will fair poorly with a sisters reboot.
Doop Dude wrote:Not what I meant by having that in quotation marks. Since when has Infiltrators been called Infiltration? This is what mainly makes me call this a fake.
Well, there are these things called 'editors', and they're paid to catch little inconsitencies like that. That mistake alone isn't enough to point this out as a fake.
That's not to say that you're wrong, or even wrong for suspecting that or pointing it out, only that I don't think it's 'enough' to mark these pages out asinstant fakes.
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pretre wrote:lol. Okay, I'm not that hardcore.
Heh! Yeah well my group and I are kinda nuts. I've done whole 'Armies of Faith' for Apoc games. Loads of screaming idiots with flamer and meltaguns all commanded by various Priests. Total waste of space and never kill anything, but loads of fun!
We also play a lot of the 40KRPG's, Dark Heresy especially, so having all those Priests comes in handy. Hell, my players are right now on a Cathedral/Shrine World, so it makes even more sense. I'm using Kyrinov as one of the major NPC's.
Oh! Thought of another one - got two of the Warhammer Empire Wizard boxes, made one into a Cardinal, two into his bodyguards, and the fourth into a Daemonhost. So yeah, kinda crazy-obsessed with the Ecclesiarchy. And yet I own not a single Sisters model. Weird...
Besides plastic Sisters, I am most excited at the idea of Adeptus Arbites coming back into the mix. I am pretty skeptical about this actually happening but I do love them and could see a place for them.
I'm now torn. On one hand I've always liked the SoB and wanted a whole army full of church-tanks. On the other hand I want me necrons. Personally I hope we see no Inquisitorial units in the SoB book, instead focusing on Ecclesiarchal units.
If I had to guess, I'd guess that you'll see new crons a good piece before you see new sisters. Now, I say that without any insider information to back me up. Just my reasoning given the amount of work that I personally feel each faction would need to bring them up to a Codex-level release.
They really shouldn't be. I think of Ordo Hereticus being much more actively involved in the wider Ecclesiarchy than the other Ordos are in the various departments of the Imperium.
Manchu wrote:They really shouldn't be. I think of Ordo Hereticus being much more actively involved in the wider Ecclesiarchy than the other Ordos are in the various departments of the Imperium.
It was my understanding that it was the other way around, that the Ecclesiarchy are involved in the Inquisition? There was that treaty, can't remember its name, that meant that SoB had to help out an Inquisitor if asked, which hinted that they were seperate bodies and the Ecclesiarchy were aiding the Ordo Hereticus, rather than visa versa (Not sure if that's the expression...)
Also, I don't suppose someone could explain to me the idea behind including Adeptus Arbites in 40K? As far as I can see, they're the police. Awesome police, but police nonetheless, and I don't see why they'd have a place in large-scale army games. I looked at them on Lexicanum and I still don't really get it... Not to say they SHOULDN'T be in, I just don't really get why they are. I thought they were reserved for offshoot games.
pretre wrote:@Doop: Wolf Scouts. There's precedent.
Wolf Scouts are down as Infiltrate.
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Doop Dude wrote:Not what I meant by having that in quotation marks. Since when has Infiltrators been called Infiltration? This is what mainly makes me call this a fake.
Well, there are these things called 'editors', and they're paid to catch little inconsitencies like that. That mistake alone isn't enough to point this out as a fake.
That's not to say that you're wrong, or even wrong for suspecting that or pointing it out, only that I don't think it's 'enough' to mark these pages out asinstant fakes.
Ok, maybe some other, obscure rule, like Vulnerable to Templates, would be mistyped, but..... Infiltrate? Really? It shows up like 3 times in every Codex....
But yeah, I've always been one of those people who argues against something until undeniable proof is put before them, then they follow along happily. So I'm doubting for now, but if proof comes in....
Say those pages are true, though. I wonder who gets the copies of them and circulates them? Surely it'd be illegal?
Scarey Nerd wrote:Also, I don't suppose someone could explain to me the idea behind including Adeptus Arbites in 40K? As far as I can see, they're the police. Awesome police, but police nonetheless, and I don't see why they'd have a place in large-scale army games. I looked at them on Lexicanum and I still don't really get it... Not to say they SHOULDN'T be in, I just don't really get why they are. I thought they were reserved for offshoot games.
They are police that enforce laws like "the Planetary Governor will remain loyal to the Imperium". If cult activity gets out of hand or the Planetary Governor tries to secede, they are the ones who will ensure reinforcements from the Imperial Guard or Space Marine reinforcements arrive to retake the planet, and may have to stand against the entire PDF in the meantime.
bigmek35 wrote:so i think after gathering what ive seen from various sources...
Which sources posted evidence that the DA or BT are even being worked on?
H.B.M.C. wrote:Arbites - The raping! The raping of the fluff! Shotcannons are not the same as Arbite Combat Shotguns guns! Where are my Executioner rounds! AHHH!! *deep breath*
Say it with me - [chant]The fluff is arbitrary. They will change what they want to sell a new kit. The fluff is arbitrary. They will change what the want to sell a new kit. [/chant]
Huh? What's the problem with the stats for the gun? It's a shotgun with an extra shot.
I have had the leaked GK codex since it first (very shortly) popped up here, which obviously turned out to be legit, and now looking at this supposed Battlesister leak has me convinced it is likely a home made mockup by some joker.
The handwriting is different. For example the letter "A" is written as A throughout in the GK leak while it is written as "a" in the page of the document we are seeing here. That is a very distinctive difference. Letters D & G differ too.
Also the format/letter type or whatever it's called is different. For example WARGEAR in this one as opposed to Wargear in the GK leak. And REDEMPTIONIST MILITIA is a completely different letter type than the entry names the GK have.
Of course this doesn't necessarily rule out or confirm anything (one document could be further along in the development process than the other, which however then raises questions about when exactly it leaked out), but what I'm seeing in this picture looks rather suspect while the GK leak looks exactly the same as a real (printed) codex.
TBD wrote:
I have had the leaked GK codex since it first (very shortly) popped up here, which obviously turned out to be legit, and now looking at this supposed Battlesister leak has me convinced it is likely a home made mockup by some joker.
The handwriting is different. For example the letter "A" is written as A throughout in the GK leak while it is written as "a" in the page of the document we are seeing here. That is a very distinctive difference. Letters D & G differ too.
Also the format/letter type or whatever it's called is different. For example WARGEAR in this one as opposed to Wargear in the GK leak. And REDEMPTIONIST MILITIA is a completely different letter type than the entry names the GK have.
I thought the underlining in the upper left looked suspiciously straight, as if it was added in an image editor...
glon52 wrote:Sisters Troops Choice + Immolator + Ability to take 2 special weapons in a unit under 10 models = super fantastic happy hour.
Dunno, that would just lead to troops choices being basically just TLHF immolator plus double melta sisters.... you know, a port of the old (And lame) lasplas plus razorback of previous Marine editions.
Sisters need reason to take larger troop squads, not smaller...
Sisters need reasons to do a variety of things. I suspect that when the real book comes out Sisters will be 1 every 5 for special weapons (like GK), in which case 20 sisters with 4 Specials will be pretty awesome.
But, flexibility in list building will be great. 5 Sisters with meltas in an Immo would be great. Of course, that will make Immo spam even worse since they'd be about 100-150 which gives you 6 immo/melta troops choices for 600-900 points. That would be pretty win though.
Im a longtime lurker. I dont post. I am posting now to ask an important question.
Has HMBC ever contributed to a thread in a positive way? I would post on here if i was not afraid of him trolling every thread. does he even play the game??
@Hammer: As a longtime lurker, you must know that personal attacks lead to temporary suspensions and creating sockpuppet accounts leads to permanent ones.
Actually I was thinking about Multi Melta Imos. Then possiblly flamers (combi flamer for Sis Superior) depending on what the rest of the codex looked like.
Actually I was thinking about Multi Melta Imos. Then possiblly flamers (combi flamer for Sis Superior) depending on what the rest of the codex looked like.
MM Immos (under current rules) are more expensive and less flexible than HF Immos. Unless things change significantly, it is usually easier to get your melta inside the Immo and keep the cheap/reliable/fire when moving 12 HF on the top.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm talking about the fluff. Wasn't that clear with my "The raping! The raping of the fluff!" comment? Was I being to subtle for you?
Ah, well then what's the problem there? No veiled attacks or anything, I'm just not familiar with Arbites fluff. I'd like to keep up the rapport we shared against pretre over the Codex: Grey Knight fluff.
Indeed. Two meltaguns inside an immolator that can fire after moving 12" is better than two flamers inside of an immolator that can fire only after moving 6".
H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm talking about the fluff. Wasn't that clear with my "The raping! The raping of the fluff!" comment? Was I being to subtle for you?
Ah, well then what's the problem there? No veiled attacks or anything, I'm just not familiar with Arbites fluff. I'd like to keep up the rapport we shared against pretre over the Codex: Grey Knight fluff.
Also, I just can't get over that redemptionist militia thing. It was like it was written by someone who had never actually READ any of the fluff. Even Matt Ward is better than that.
And I'd like to see one of the FW landers made into basically a flying rhino for Sisters to use (thus better justifying how they can get from space to the ground in a combat situation as well as giving the opportunity for a kickass model and awesome conversions)...
Yes MMImos will be more expensive than a TLHFImo, but I'm assuming Imos will be seeing a drop in price as well.
TLMM with 30"/18" threat range vs TLHF with shy of 20" threat range. Of course you have to get them our of the their cans first. I'd rather not be running my TLHFImo up to within 8" of the target, getting out of with my sisters and pumping my meltas into the transport inorder to get the yummy candy center out of the transport.
But at the same time, those meltas are better able to actually damage than a single multimelta. while the TLHF is certainly better than two regular flamers, even if the two normal flamers have potential for more wounds they would cause less on average (re-roll to wound and then higher strength and lower AP for the TLHF).
pretre wrote:I could really go for an upgrade to immolators so they can carry 10 models. I'm completely pulling that out of nowhere, but that would be great.
Melissia wrote:Shotcannons, IIRC, are in the Dark Heresy rules somewhere.
"Shotcannons" seem to be a variant shotgun or more of a "fletchette" launcher, firing casings filled with monofilament wire twisted within, and the only real mentions I recall of them were being used by Imperial Navy shipboard security teams. Just kind of puzzling that they'd change the name of the "Riot Shotgun" to the "Shotcannon", especially when in regards to the Arbites.
And I'd like to see one of the FW landers made into basically a flying rhino for Sisters to use (thus better justifying how they can get from space to the ground in a combat situation as well as giving the opportunity for a kickass model and awesome conversions)...
So, you want an unarmed, lightly armored tincan?
...Silly wish is silly!
I could see the Valkyrie making an appearance though.
If we're just going off of names, it would make sense for sisters to get an LR crusader and/or redeemer, or a paladin, or a chaplain, or a vindicator, and so on.
GW's naming scheme isn't that varied with Imperial stuff.
pretre wrote:Bring the GK / too many SM whining to another thread please.
This is wise advice.
I'm not sure that I like the idea of Sisters in Valkyries. I like the rolling forward preceded by a wall of flame image too much. Of course, there's room for more than one build in a codex.
pretre wrote:Bring the GK / too many SM whining to another thread please.
This is wise advice.
I'm not sure that I like the idea of Sisters in Valkyries. I like the rolling forward preceded by a wall of flame image too much. Of course, there's room for more than one build in a codex.
Every time I put forth that idea, people yell at me saying "No! They need to be fast!".
What about scorching the earth as your tracked vehicles and foot soldiers move forward, burning everything in their path and chanting admonitions at the foe doesn't scream "Sisters of Battle"?
Manchu wrote:I'm not sure that I like the idea of Sisters in Valkyries. I like the rolling forward preceded by a wall of flame image too much. Of course, there's room for more than one build in a codex.
Could be fun - and silly appropriate. Turn up the Wagner when you put the model on the table.
On a more serious/fluffy note - replacing the standard weapon loadout with napalm warheads would make sense.
pretre wrote:But think about Valkyries with Laud Hailers swooping over the battlefield and firing rockets as sisters disembark to "Flight of the Valkyries".
pretre wrote:But think about Valkyries with Laud Hailers swooping over the battlefield and firing rockets as sisters disembark to "Flight of the Valkyries".
fixed that for ya
Not at all what I'm going for. That would be great for Air Cav Guard, but Sisters with Valks should be playing Eccelsiarchal Hymns. Spooky church music does a better job of 'scaring the heck out of the mooks'.
pretre wrote:But think about Valkyries with Laud Hailers swooping over the battlefield and firing rockets as sisters disembark to "Flight of the Valkyries".
fixed that for ya
Not at all what I'm going for. That would be great for Air Cav Guard, but Sisters with Valks should be playing Eccelsiarchal Hymns. Spooky church music does a better job of 'scaring the heck out of the mooks'.
Manchu wrote:Sacred music is not really up-tempo enough for air raiding. Hence the "marching somberly across the scorched remains of hertics" image.
That's the spooky part of it. No one expects somber hymnals to be bellowing out of speakers on the sides of assault aircraft. Puts them off their game.
To which all I have to say is, "Thbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt!"
Ring of Nibelung > Francis Ford Coppola
On a more serious note, I can't really see any issues with them from a fluff standpoint. The Ecclesiarchy may give the impression of a force advancing stalwartly into the face of the enemy, but the simple fact of the matter is that the Sisters are an elite force and elite forces often need special methods of rapidly getting to where they're needed. Drop pods aren't usable, so that leaves teleporters and high speed air transport.
And I don't know about you, but teleporters strike me as highly unlikely.
pretre wrote:That's the spooky part of it. noooooooooooooobody expects somber hymnals to be bellowing out of speakers on the sides of assault aircraft. Puts them off their game.
pretre wrote:That's the spooky part of it. noooooooooooooobody expects somber hymnals to be bellowing out of speakers on the sides of assault aircraft. Puts them off their game.
Doop Dude wrote:Ok, maybe some other, obscure rule, like Vulnerable to Templates, would be mistyped, but..... Infiltrate? Really? It shows up like 3 times in every Codex....
Doop Dude wrote:Ok, maybe some other, obscure rule, like Vulnerable to Templates, would be mistyped, but..... Infiltrate? Really? It shows up like 3 times in every Codex....
Furious Charge, anyone?
My harlequin would like to have a talk with you about their "Furious Assault" rule D:
scuddman wrote:That pdf is fake. Those images are fake.
Citation needed.
We all think that, but we kind of need proof one way or the other.
Negatory. If I said what I knew, it would lead to better fakes, and I don't want that.
It's just like network engineering. I never say how I know stuff, because then the next time the guy hacking knows to cover that.
So you are claiming to know what's really going on with Sisters but telling us preemptively that you refuse to talk about it so that others won't use your accurate knowledge to create better fakes?
Makes sense to me. But then again, I moderate a website about toy soldiers.
Manchu wrote:So you are claiming to know what's really going on with Sisters but telling us preemptively that you refuse to talk about it so that others won't use your accurate knowledge to create better fakes?
Or he might know how the images were faked. I'm reasonably sure that someone with the drawing tablets that are used by many of the 'quality' webcomic's artists could do something like that using their equipment.
Makes sense to me. But then again, I moderate a website about toy soldiers.
I'm willing to give a modicum of belief to his statement, if he works at a publisher that does a lot of work with PDF formatting.
scuddman wrote:That pdf is fake. Those images are fake.
Citation needed.
We all think that, but we kind of need proof one way or the other.
Negatory. If I said what I knew, it would lead to better fakes, and I don't want that.
It's just like network engineering. I never say how I know stuff, because then the next time the guy hacking knows to cover that.
Yes, but that could just be you pretending.
Not to say I don't agree: the thing looks like it was typed up on Microsoft Word and thought out very poorly. Whether it was made by someone in GW or not, it is not in the format we can expect the codex to be in when it does come out.
No, I'm saying I know a fake when I see one. And if I did know something about the sister's codex I wouldn't say anything about a fake at all...because in that case I want more fakes out.
The easiest and most obvious one is that martyr is spelled wrong. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny for many reasons, but come on...spelling something wrong that a spellchecker would catch is just sad.
scuddman wrote:The easiest and most obvious one is that martyr is spelled wrong. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny for many reasons, but come on...spelling something wrong that a spellchecker would catch is just sad.
First thing every FW author learns is to turn off the spell checker
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