Hi Peeps

Well, it's been a fair few weeks since the Great GW Heresy. Amid all the teeth neashing, hair pulling, and general "nerd" rage, certain Dakka members swore to walk away and never look back. I was one of them. Since deciding that I wasn't going to invest in GW anymore as a source for my gaming hobby (in any way shape or form!) I feel myself getting less and less embroiled in GW chat, and generally don't even think about or follow their, somewhat shrouded, product releases.....in short, it's great!

I was wondering what has become of the other "ragers" , what are you guys doing now? Have you turned back to the dark side, or have you, like me, found solace in other products?

So come on, tell us the truth.....where are you now?

I've been true to my word. The investment in the Dark Eldar Army has not happened. Instead I've looked into different games systems.

I've now bought a Core Rulebook, Templates and Cards for Spartan Games Firestorm Armarda along with 2 different starter fleets, additional ship classes and some scenary. 4 of my gaming buddies have followed suit and bought their own fleets.

Another mate is looking into a starfield felt mat to play on. Once we've done collecting our fleets, we are looking into something completely different, Sodapops Super Dungeon Explore or Infinity.

True to my word, I'm done buying new armies from GW. I bought my Entire Ork Army 2 years ago which I'm still putting together now. I'll keep them up to date along with my 3 other armies, but I won't be starting a new Army.

I'd say my 1,500 GBP spend a year on GW (average) will now be down to around 250 GBP. All my friends are following my lead.

Cancelled plans for new dark eldar army.

Gaming budget and painting time is instead being spent on on mantic orcs and more mantic undead, their two best-looking model ranges.

Will buy the new GW necromancer and sorceress as they are plastic and the price is okay if I pick it up from a 25% off webstore.

Will still play fantasy using hordes and hordes of mantic models. Eagerly awaiting their goblin army, I want 500 of the little buggers.

I'm quite a positive person, so for me it's been less a case of being driven away from GW and more a case of "omg mantic are awesome". The GW price rises and things only cemented the feeling that I made the right choice.

For instance, £25 buys you either 10 GW grave guard or 40 mantic grave guard.. this makes me very very happy with my mantic ones.

Am painting some BoSP dwarves
Had considered getting some more dwarves possibly using GW units but that it not gonna happen

Will continue to complete the Fantasy stuff over time
my Space Wolves will probably never get finished though. May just keep some for converting.

There are just too many really good sculpts out there that will get my pennies. GW won't tempt me until the current management bugger off and someone sensible is in charge.

50 points of Blindwater
80ish points of Cygnar
Working on a theme board for my gators

Malifaux. I have a couple guild crews, a Ramos crew, a large Som'er/Ophelia crew, and a huge Leviticus crew.
I'm loving the game and the models! Thank you GW for providing the impetus to pick up this game!

Delephont wrote:Amid all the teeth neashing, hair pulling, and general "nerd" rage... I was wondering what has become of the other "ragers" ...

Wow. Such respect for those with differing opinions.

Guess all of us who decided to walk away from buying GW products are just filled with "nerd rage" and don't have legitimate complaints, right? Or am I missing your meaning?



But in answer to your question:

Still on target. Not bought a GW thing since the embargo hit, just as I said I would. Have bought a number of products from other companies though - even got back into BattleTech.

I've stayed right where I was, playing Warhammer and Warhammer 40k.

I wasn't that ragey, just ticked off..

I'm still playing 40k, as i never said i'd quit, but have cancelled plans for me new Dark Eldar amy.

I'm finishing out my Orks and Necrons, collecting-wise, and then painting all of them That'll keep me busy enough.

I'm also getting into Warmachine, and digging out my old Necromunda books..

Havent bougth a singel model since they raised their price, I intend to never give GW another penny either, I will be uning other moddels for my Beastmen army. There plenty of other firms that will be getting my money instead

Me to i stayed right here, the time when i start playing another game is when warpath is officially realesed. otherwise i still need more rhinos, i have 30+ guys 1 hq choice and 1 rhino, though i do have deffy and 2 havoc squads which i have found quite effective

Bought one GW item since the last wave of problems started - a Citadel Battlemat (I was suprised, since the last time I saw it in the back of my local FLGS, it was $30. I expected it to be $40-$60, but lo and behold, it hadn't increased in price!).

Basically have put my GW stuff away, focusing more now on Flames of War. Also picked up some more Khador.

I'm even considering going fully historic. Polemos Napoleonic rules look nice, and so does Warmaster Ancients/Field of Glory. I'm having trouble deciding on what scale I'll want to play, though - 15mm and Field of Glory, or 6mm and Warmaster Ancients.

Sorry for being off-topic, but I've been away for a few weeks. What is this great exodus about? Prices? Finecast? A combination?

micahaphone wrote:Sorry for being off-topic, but I've been away for a few weeks. What is this great exodus about? Prices? Finecast? A combination?

A combination.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Delephont wrote:Amid all the teeth neashing, hair pulling, and general "nerd" rage... I was wondering what has become of the other "ragers" ...

Wow. Such respect for those with differing opinions.

Guess all of us who decided to walk away from buying GW products are just filled with "nerd rage" and don't have legitimate complaints, right? Or am I missing your meaning?

Yep, you're missing the meaning, which should have been clear from reading my whole post......anyways.....I clumped myself in with the "nerd-ragers" as I was certainly one of them. I was curious what my FELLOW ragers have gone on to enjoy.....hence this thread.

I was trying to inject a little humour into the situation by using the term "nerd-rager". I'm fully aware of the whole story and reasons why WE all moved on.

Waiting on the new house, painting Cutlass guys.

Playing Pulp City, Malfaux, Secrets of the Third Reich, finishing off a couple of other projects.


!@$$ off GW.


Could care less about them now. I'd like to see them self destruct in a great big train wreck like NewsCorps, or something equally more sinister.


Thanks for nothing GW.

I haven't had time for anything recently GW or not

Doing exactly what I said I would do, completing my Praetorians via 2nd hand purchases and seeking out various zombie mini's ( been looking at hassle free) for use in various games.

While I can't include myself with the nerd raging exodus I have however started looking at other games since the price hike. I've always had a soft sport for M:TG and they're getting ready to release a new core set and start a new cycle. It would be very easy for me to sell off all but one army and jump back in.

Bought some Hasslefree models and am painting using my vallejo paints (and using up some of the GW paints I had).

Sold off a large amount of my GW stuff (~30-40%?), and plan to sell off about 60% of my GW stuff in total once I have painted some of it up a bit more.

No plans to buy any more GW stuff.

Basically stopped following GW and its happenings. Despite loving their IP for many years I've just suddenly become disinterested.

Instead I've turned to PP and warmachine/hordes. Great company, great models, great fluff. Also have my eye on Inifinity. Looks good plus the rules are great and free too!

Gone away from GW almost entirely. Haven't set foot in my local (with the exeception of a swift extraction mission for my Necron army) in about a month, not bought anything since the price rise and I do not intend to at all. I'm now playing games round my friend's house and planning to build my own board.

With all this i've decided to pick up Warmachine again, I forgot how nice a company PP is compared to GW...

I'm right where I always was. I'll keep playing as long as my friends are too and I know I can get to play with em anytime. they show no signs of quitting, and it's not like I buy all that much new stuff anymore anyway, so .. meh.

Completely removed myself from the GW newsletter and website. I've rekindled my interest in BattleTech and purchased the new Introductory Starter set to go along w/ my 60+ metal mechs. Currently looking at pre-ordering Super Dungeon Explorer, hoping to start it w/ my little girl. Been going through my GW models and organizing them to sell by lots on Ebay.

Still keeping the three complete armies I have from GW in case any of the guys I played 40k here want to get a game going. Will not be buying a new edition of 40k. Ultimately, it's been par for the course the past 5 or 6 years.

I don't buy much(and I haven't bought much for awhile), unless I actually see something I want for my existing armies or it's something I want to paint as a one-off project.

All the price raise has done is just reinforced my normal spending habits. I've never been one to buy the newest shiny thing, and having to be conscious of how much money I have available for college classes, etc means it's not difficult to restrict my spending easily.

Last thing I bought was Theodore Bruckner on Reaper from Forge World last week, as a centerpiece for my Empire army and birthday present to myself for my 24th this coming Friday.

Before that it was some paints at my LGS in May.

I've gone from spending all my spare money on impulse buys from GW to just getting the occasional paint. Dropped from over £100 a month on GW to about £5. Moved on to song of blades and heroes, kings of war, Firestorm armada and soon warpath. I've now got the chance to finish my secrets of the third reich brits.

Heys guys.

I still play warhammer 40k, but canceled Dark Eldars army plan, and decided to not buy anything GW related.

Im planing a demiurg army in future, using space marines codexes, just waiting for Mantic.

Its strange how you can keep playing warhammer 40k, even without buying nothing from GW...

Meanwhyle, im goying for a dwarf army for Kings of War (and WHFB, to play with lovers).

I still continue to buy second hand and only the odd purchase from the local stores that are not to blame for the evil GW empire.

I've invested too much time and money into 40k. To be honest, I've spent very little directly to GW. I've acquired majority of my armies through Bazaar Bazaar, Ebay, and thewarstore. The only time where I do spend through GW is metal blisters (now replaced by finecast and paints.

I'm fortunate to live in the U.S., which isn't drastically affected like Australia, countries in the southern hemisphere, and Japan. The GW store I frequent to boasts being one of the top 10 stores in the U.S. that has sold most core sets. I find it hard to believe seeing there aren't many gamers on week days and weekends. There are however, a lot of hobbyist who just come in to model and paint. There are other non-GW gaming stores in my area that attracts competitive gamers.

Haven't bought a thing (though I hadn't for a long time before either really, paint aside). Still painting my Ogre Kingdom army though - almost done!

I don't plan on branching out until the Super Dungeon Explore set comes out - really looking forward to that. And the Freebooter Amazons, looking forward to those too.

I'm holding off on PP until their awesome starter set comes out too (and I get my Super Dungeon Explore set painted).

And as always following Mantic closely. Still waiting to pull the trigger though.

just 1 pot of chainmail paint. other than that, its been a new infinity force, Firestorm Armarda fleet and painting up loads of stuff for Warhammer Quest and Necromunda.

the players in my group are selling of excess models that they dont use in their current forces and one is totally done with the hobby in general (although I'm sure we will be getting him back soon)

Made some new connections in my FLGS and not stepped foot in a GW for months (even before this madness)

I don't want GW to go away, but the only way I feel I can make any impression is by moving away

Lot of Super Dungeon Explore being mentioned.
If I got to do more gaming that would be in the list.

Am going to get some Tor Gaming Relics
Freebooters Fate is a possible amd already loving Songs of Blades and Heroes and some others from Ganesha.
(Making some of my own sculpts, using what I have and may be getting some lovely Red Box models)

Haven't played Anima Tactics in a while, but still is a fave.

Just need to wean the kids at the library off GW games (mwhahahaha)

Warhammer nights at the FLGS have pretty much completely died. So much so they moved them to another night to try and get new/different/more people. Some of my most strigent GW players have switched over to Warmachine due to that being where all the players are. The current Warmachine league boasts more than 30 people signed up and playing. Don't get a full 30 in every Wednesday, but we did have ten games going on simultaneously this past game night and the week before.

Myself, I've played one game of 40k in the last couple months. I think I'm going to try and get in to play a game of Fantasy tomorrow (the new GW day) to try out Storm of Magic maybe. I've only purchased one thing from GW in the past several months, a Talos, and that was to use at Bitz for various Warmachine conversions. I would like to buy a couple boxes of Wracks for my Cryx as well, but my Cryx is going on hiatus so that will probably be awhile now.

They just had a 40k tournament for charity today at the FLGS. I did not go due to my work schedule (my current days off are already spoken for to go to warmachine tournaments) so I do not know how many made it. I'll have to get the numbers for it.

I quit em two years ago when they raised prices last time. Started Warmachine and i havent bought a single model from gw since. Only a couple of washes(around 4). I also sold all of collection(16 years worth) and won't play the fundementaly flawed game that is 40k.

Waiting for the PP starter set as well.

I've also kept my $20.00 per month at my local GW store.

40k is dead to me.

GW doesnt care about Specialist Games so that is that.

I still play fantasy, but already have all I need.

I play Warmachine as my main now, with Malifaux as my alt.

My sig pretty much says it all as it encapsulated my spending since deciding that the $400+ I had saved up for GW and grey knights wasn't the message I wanted to send. The only thing I've bought since was the codex I preordered 2 months earlier (since its not fair to stiff my FLGS when GW is the culprit) and the new FW dreadnought. I did break my personal boycott for that last bit simply because its the final perfect addition to my Deathwing army (and goes well with the preheresy LR there thematically). They lost out on sales for 4 Grey Knight termi boxes, 2 stormravens, 2 dreadknights, 2 tactical squad boxes, and a landraider as that was my planned army that I had 100% of the funds saved up for (I separate my gaming expenses from others after realising on Dakka of all places that I used to spend $2000 on WOTC stuff a year!!). Do I think they care? No, but I do. I'd rather give my money to manufacturers who value it.

On a side note, the lack of spending on GW has also encouraged me to make my second NOT-GW 40k army... my almost 1500pt clonetrooper Star Wars IG force with valkyries (LAATs), a Leman Russ tanks (AT-TEs), carapace armor veterans (clonetroopers), scout sentinels (AT-RTs), stormtroopers (clone commandos), sly marbo (arc trooper), ogryn (wookies), and Straken command squad (Jedi and more clonetroopers). The army only cost me an additional $10 to get a few more troopers to round out the squads as I already had most of the figs from my star wars minis days collecting them for my old RPG campaign. In case someone things I'm making this up, here's my other NOT-GW 1850pt "nid" army.



Genestealers, mycetic spores, hive tyrants, trygon, lictor, zoanthrope, and spore mines... all without giving GW a single dollar. If only I could find some sort of IG count-as to use the BARC speeders I have in my not-IG clonetrooper army....



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As a disappointing side note, I have noticed that I find dakka a bit less interesting now as I completely avoid certain subforums that I used to spend alot of time in like YMDC, tournies, and 40k battle reports. I still play 40k occasionally but faq's, rules arguments, and tourny drama just doesn't interest me as much any more. Even the gallery (which I've voted in over 6000 times in) doesn't interest me as much since its 60% 40k / 30% WHFB / 10% other.

Nobody in my area has any interest in anything other than warhammer (or flames of war, which I have no interest in). So, apparently it's just GW for me. However, I refuse to pay full price-I'm only buying at discount (20% discount at a store last week, which was worth it, specially since boxes weren't marked up yet). Only way I still buy.

Delephont wrote:Hi Peeps

Well, it's been a fair few weeks since the Great GW Heresy. Amid all the teeth neashing, hair pulling, and general "nerd" rage, certain Dakka members swore to walk away and never look back. I was one of them. Since deciding that I wasn't going to invest in GW anymore as a source for my gaming hobby (in any way shape or form!) I feel myself getting less and less embroiled in GW chat, and generally don't even think about or follow their, somewhat shrouded, product releases.....in short, it's great!

I was wondering what has become of the other "ragers" , what are you guys doing now? Have you turned back to the dark side, or have you, like me, found solace in other products?

So come on, tell us the truth.....where are you now?

i am only going to gamesday as well as going to comic con. Only because the free stuff lure. not only that but I have yet to play a 40k game and buy a gw product since 2 months ago since i swore it.
I am doing well.

I've started to explore other paint brands than GW to get more for my money. Second hand refurbishing is how I plan to get the rest of my army done.

I just got one of each of all of the Storm of Magic models. And the book. And the cards. And the Templates.

At full retail from my local Games Workshop store.

Edit: I also got three other terrain pieces, another Wave Serpent and a couple Finecast Chaos Champions.

Worglock wrote:I just got one of each of all of the Storm of Magic models. And the book. And the cards. And the Templates.

At full retail from my local Games Workshop store.

Edit: I also got three other terrain pieces, another Wave Serpent and a couple Finecast Chaos Champions.

So is that any different than if GW hadn't started their perfect storm in april/may? Did it actually affect your spending?

I'm looking into Infinity, Urban War, and I will certainly get Warpath when it becomes available.

I'll be sorely tempted to buy any new Sisters of Battle, even 'Finecast' though.

warboss wrote:

Worglock wrote:I just got one of each of all of the Storm of Magic models. And the book. And the cards. And the Templates.

At full retail from my local Games Workshop store.

Edit: I also got three other terrain pieces, another Wave Serpent and a couple Finecast Chaos Champions.

So is that any different than if GW hadn't started their perfect storm in april/may? Did it actually affect your spending?

Nope. Because unlike the howling screaming kiddies, I still get value from GW.

I do not agree with everything they do, but even showing sympathy to the nerd ragers just gets you barked at. So whatever, I got mine.

So if someone disagrees with you they are howling screaming kiddies?

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:So if someone disagrees with you they are howling screaming kiddies?

Agreed
not all of us are immature i just don't want to buy their products because i find it overpriced.

I haven't bought any GW products since a while before they started really going nuts. Now I never will. I started Warmachine about a month before the price hike/embargo/etc, and I plan on expanding my Cygnar. I also started Dystopian Wars and will expand that at some point as well. Also looking into a couple other games, but they're probably going to wait until I've got my other two armies to decent levels.

Specifically I'm torn between starting another Spartan game, Mantic, Infinity, or Malifaux.

Hm ... I'm putting money and barter into Flames of War and Warmachine. I still plan to buy the 40k RPG books though. Really looking forward to Black Crusade.

Just seen Dark Ages quickstart rules are now available for downloading
Looks like another interesting skirmish game with some good minis.
http://www.dark-age.com/downQSRules.php

So many tempting things around, I need to remain focused!

Oooh.... that does look cool...

Well, I didn't really rage or threaten to quit. I said I'd probably reduce spending and look at other options, but like scarletsquig my new spending habits have more to do with other companines making the models I want to buy for a better price than GW does.
Since the price rise I've bought the new necromancer. I plan to buy another box of boar boyz and some marauder horsemen at some point (GW plastic cav is still reasonably good value), but I'm happy to move to KoW full time now.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Just seen Dark Ages quickstart rules are now available for downloading
Looks like another interesting skirmish game with some good minis.
http://www.dark-age.com/downQSRules.php

So many tempting things around, I need to remain focused!

Ooh I like the Skaard and the Brood.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Just seen Dark Ages quickstart rules are now available for downloading
Looks like another interesting skirmish game with some good minis.
http://www.dark-age.com/downQSRules.php

So many tempting things around, I need to remain focused!

Thanks Chibi, just been reading about their stuff and I think this looks awesome

Not that I was out to boycott GW, I have not bought anything GW since the price hike more out of disappointment in how the company is being run.

Been looking for something new, Incoming orders for Dark Age.

Playing warmachine, enjoying myself and not looking back

I still dig 40K and don't plan to stop. However, I did decide to not get into WHFB. I should add, I don't want to see GW go under like some haters on here.

Not sure how many people really do want to see GW go under, Byte.

As mentioned elsewhere the kids at our library club still want to play GW games and so I still have some involvement albeit reluctantly.

But I ain't gonna beat up on a bunch of kids about it.
What I see is a lot of pleasure that they derive from the gaming. It is great to see.
For most of us it is the way the business is run and the attitude of being THE Hobby which is getting the two fingers.

Just look at the list of systems mentioned already that are every bit as enjoyable to get involved with.
GW games and minis are not the be all and end all of gaming. They are just another option.

Oh, I don't want to see GW go under, because I love 40K and WHFB (and Specialist Games even if GW doesn't). But I'm not going to support a company that seems to show active contempt for its customers. I want them to thrive, but I want it to be because they've realized the error of their ways and stop jacking prices up beyond inflation, embrace the internet, and start treating their customers like customers instead of burdensome adversaries.


I find it hilarious that Warglok calls us kiddies when GW's target demographic actually is children.

Who is this "Warglok" you speak of? Sounds like a real jerk.

Delephont wrote:Hi Peeps

Well, it's been a fair few weeks since the Great GW Heresy. Amid all the teeth neashing, hair pulling, and general "nerd" rage, certain Dakka members swore to walk away and never look back. I was one of them. Since deciding that I wasn't going to invest in GW anymore as a source for my gaming hobby (in any way shape or form!) I feel myself getting less and less embroiled in GW chat, and generally don't even think about or follow their, somewhat shrouded, product releases.....in short, it's great!

I was wondering what has become of the other "ragers" , what are you guys doing now? Have you turned back to the dark side, or have you, like me, found solace in other products?

So come on, tell us the truth.....where are you now?

Since about 2 months ago, after I realized what a really terrible company GW was, I have gotten into Infinity and never looked back.

I have my local gamers hooked on infinity, and 40k games in my area have decreased a bit.

In my area, I am what you would consider that "Lynchpin" player that everyone emulates or follows, and since I have left GW, other have followed suit.

Now, I still own my armies, and if a friend wants to play 40k, I will no problem, but I don't tell people to buy GW anymore, I don't discuss the game anymore, and I don't buy GW anymore myself.

After the terrible reception I got on here concerning my 45 games of dark eldar, coupled with the general state of the game, I just decided the GW fanbase is just too immature for me. I haven't visited a 40k forum in weeks, and I mainly just hang out in the Dakka Discussions, Rumors, Video Games and Off Topic forums.

Moved on, and loving it!!

I actually haven't bought anything directly from GW since GW left Concord Mills in Charlotte. I'd still go and play at GW if they had one nearby, but alas, 95% of what I have now was either bought from ebay or an independent retailer or Hobbytown since I worked there back in 06'. Still might get a Stormraven for my birthday since that's next month.

Also I don't want to see GW die, just go back to the way it was, when 25 bucks could get 20 models at the GW store.

As far as what I'm doing...playing 3.5 and 4th D&D when I can, and Pathfinder, while writeing a novel about a Gnoll Paladin.

I haven't put more than a few dollars into the coffers of GW since 1999 in protest of 3rd Ed. Does that count me in as one of the cool kids?

I got back into the hobby in 2010 because a friend of mine plays and he knew I still had all my old stuff. I updated the Codices and models via used eBay items. I buy GW paints and washes (I haven't found an alt. replacement for Bolgun Metal or Tin Bitz yet, and I like the washes) at my FLGS.

My local FLGS is a huge Warmachine outpost and the community there outweighs 40K by at least 4-1 per their estimates. M:TG is still running strong and Flames of War is also very popular. They have declined to carry any of the Finecast range. They kept their metal blisters and did not raise the price on them.

I don't usually get involved in this stuff because normally I don't care. Recently I've been feeling it a bit more for a variety of reasons and have started to voice opinions I generally keep to myself.

I will keep playing GW games because I enjoy them to the extent that I do and if the whole thing went under tomorrow I would still be playing and painting on my own. But I don't bring new people to the game, and I don't spend money that GW gets. GW lost me a long time ago and I don't expect I'll ever be back.

The last GW purchase was a thing of plastic glue and the DE Codex, which was then returned for the Warmachine MKII rules. Haven't touched anything GW since in terms of buying, and been doing whatever gaming I've had with the things I have left, which is more than enough. Spend a good $150 on Warmachine already, and I think it's money well spent. I'm not a nerd-rager, but I just don't feel like supporting GW when they don't really give me a decent reason to keep supporting them. I'm not picky about what I play or build, as long as I've got something that interests me. And Warmachine has picked up that lost interest.

Well, my foray into 40K and the Dark Eldar has been postponed indefinitely... if not eternally.

I've put a good chunk of money (for me, anyway) into starting a Dwarf army using Manic minis. I might include some Reaper models as well, but above all, there will be no GW minis. For that matter, any future expansions of my existing armies (Brettonia, Skaven, and Dark Elves) will be done with figures from alternate companies, unless GW undertakes some serious mending of their business practices.

I would personally be delighted to see them be busted back to just doing rules because no one wants their minis anymore*. Maybe then they would actually profread the darn things. Or maybe I'll just try and get Kings of War going in the local group. The game is basically a stripped-down version of Warhammer, with a lot less possibilty for bad rules interactions because there are a lot less rules.

(*Yes, I know this is never going to happen. It's just a silly wish of mine. )

I would prrofread your own post and duly edit it first Vulcan ;}

I'm not banning GW models, I'm just not going to buy directly from them any more.

Too overpriced for a long time now anyway.

Skalk Bloodaxe wrote:I haven't put more than a few dollars into the coffers of GW since 1999 in protest of 3rd Ed. Does that count me in as one of the cool kids?

The problem is, you were doing it before it was cool to do it.

Oh, man. You're a wargaming hipster. I... I'm so sorry. I don't think there's a cure.

I've been a PP player almost as long as a GW player. So not a lot has changed, just dropped my small amount of GW purchases and pumped it all into PP, Wyrd Games and boardgames.

Might try out some other war games as well.

Privateer Press, started up Cygnar.
Playing FoW and looking hard at Malifaux.

Most I have done is converted 54 old skinks with shortbows into monkeys.

yamgrenade wrote:I'm not banning GW models, I'm just not going to buy directly from them any more.

Too overpriced for a long time now anyway.

you do know that they still get their money right?

Troll harder kid.

I actually think that's a valid point.

coolyo294 wrote:I actually think that's a valid point.

It is... which is why I tell people to simply stop buying and not just switching their particular dealer. Whether you buy from Tyrone on 26th street or Mikey on 14th avenue, the Columbians get their cut regardless. It honestly didn't work too well with my local crowd as they did what HBMC did and just bought a crapload before the price raise.

infinite_array wrote:Oh, man. You're a wargaming hipster. I... I'm so sorry. I don't think there's a cure.

Does that mean I have to drink PBR thinking that I'm being ironic?

Ahem, I'm afraid I have spent £17.50 in store

I thought I should give Finecast a try in order to form my own opinion (better than metal, not as good as plastic), so bought the Vampire Countess.

I also had to own the new Necromancer.

That is all, I promise.

I have not purchased anything new from GW and will continue not too. I looked at some boxes at my FLGS while in between games today and was shocked by the prices. A box of 5 Eldar Rangers for $35. Same price for other aspect warrior boxes. The plastic prices aren't all that bad but the finecast is terrible.

I continue to play with the armies I have on hand, and am open to buying/trading here or on ebay.

I also got into Malifaux. I have yet to play a game but purchased a box for myself and a friend, and have been working on modeling and painting the figures. I'm also going to begin playing WHFB again, with an army purchased second hand.

As promised I havent bought anything new from GW @ ALL!
All that malarky was just to much not to walk away from!

I still pick up the odd bit second hand on ebay if I see it going cheap for one of my existing armies though.


Play Warmachine alot more, but still need to get into the other games I originally said I would to expand my horizons.


Regarding am I more content now than when I played soley GW? I would say yes. I really enjoy playing Warmachine as it has a much more tactical feel to it. I only hope the other games I intend to try are as much fun!

I will continue to play GW games as I have to big a collection not to but I can imagine the amount of time I spend playing them will only diminish as I play different things!

To those that have visited this thread to state that they have made no change to their spending habits at GW, and have no intention to do so...please be aware that your comments are not welcomed here.

Let me explain. This thread was not intended to be a GW bashing thread, at the same time, it wasn't intended to be a face off between those who have happily moved on and those who have found it in their hearts (and pockets) to stay.

My only curiosity was aimed at those (like me) who have decided to leave GW in one form or another to seek enjoyment elsewhere....as the OP, I want to hear their stories and experiences, what they have moved on to, and most importantly, are they happier now than before.

If you have decided to stay with GW, and continue as if nothing has happened, then to be quite honest, I'm not really interested.....and for what it's worth, any post about the greatness of GW can really only be considered as trolling.

my decision to quit GW came over a year and a half ago. I had been on and off the 4 years previous, not really having any time at all while at school to devote a fair enough amount of time, i still built up some minis for a space marine army using the create your own chapter rules in one of the SM codex(who knows which one, i think if i look through my stack i have 3 or 4 of them, ridiculous). when i came back for the last time 2 years ago, i got the new codex, realized that they ruined my vision for my chapter(and also ruined the whole Lysander's Wing, that soured me to GW even though i didn't own IF marines, GW said 'hey, go out and buy 300 bucks worth of Termies, it'll be great!' and then came back next edition and said, 'hey have fun playing those termies regularly'). during this whole time i built up, and almost never played, a metric ton of cygnar for WM. just noone to play with.

anyways, instead i decided to just keep playing with my SoB force i'd put together a year or so before instead of investing more into an army that would have to be changed and rebought to be effective in a year or two's time(so 3 ish years ago? i'm swapping it now haha) but right before it was time to leave school for good i typed in 'fantasy naval game' just for kicks into google, and up pops an entry from thewarstore by the name of 'Uncharted Seas.' Spartan Games has gotten the lion's share of my money since, having sworn off the constant price hikes and (IMO, YMMV of course) a weak ruleset prone to superabuse. since then i've gotten fleets for US and DW(love steampunk and VSF) and am looking into HGB!(hard scifi 12mm combined arms combat centered on 15 foot tall mecha called 'gears') by the end of the year.

it made me more than a little upset when i saw all the stuff that GW pulled a little earlier in the year that pissed off so many, not that it directly affected me but i'm big on empathy and really didn't like how poorly treated anyone from the southern hemisphere was getting treated by GW. plus i like to laugh at finecast. having seen them in my LGS and looking at other products like Spartan's resin 1/1200 ships from DW, there is a noticeable difference in quality, and its not in finecast's favor(look for the doors on a Federated States of America Carrier if you don't believe me). And i think there are some models out there that are even better than Spartan's resin(not many, but some). Plus, resin is CHEAPER. NOT MORE EXPENSIVE.

But yes, I'm currently enjoying my ships/game systems that promote actual maneuver, and waiting on some Gears, while my WM/H stuff sits on the shelves and yells at me to get played. Maybe i should pick up the MKII rules...i've heard/seen good things at the LGS

CPTPromotable. out.

Was already switching to Kow from WHF (not because I don't like the 8th Ed changes, I do, but because trying to play the game with that much documentation was just not fun).

The only thing Ill be spending money on at GW is finishing off my BFG fleets if I can't find bits on ebay rtc.

Like the models for Infinity, Hell Dorado, Dystopian Wars and Uncharted Seas, so will be looking hard at those. And ofc Warpath when it arrives.

I have kept on track. I used my months gaming budget to get a new airbrush and compressor instead of GW minis and I am switching over to vallejo paints.

The airbrush is one of the best things I've bought in ages.

I still buy GW models, however, I don't buy them as often as I
once did. Nowadays, I try to paint what I have before starting a
new GW project.

I save the overbuying for Privateer Press.

Am also trying to finish painting/making models before buying new one but it is soo hard to resist!

My last purchase was for a couple of minis based on the work of Arthur Rackham from Mannikin Studios
http://mannikinstudios.com/?page_id=71
but they are for pressies for others so I relented.

Self edited due to an unseemly outburst on my part. I know it can still be read in quotes further down, but call it a symbolic gesture

I think you misunderstand, Flash.

For example the thread about Actual Finecast Flaws has similarly asked for specific content and imho is fair enough.
Otherwise there is a tendency for certain people to derail the threads.

I don't wish to speak for Delephont but I doubt if his request was made in the light of your post nor the sort of comments made by Malfred.

Well apologies if there was a misunderstanding, but the post was very strongly worded and appeared soon after mine.

I still maintain that the topic apears to be asking whether or not you are spending money at GW and therefore people should be free to say either way.

For the sake of the keeping the peace, I withdraw the use of the word, "arrogant".

I was going to start a GK army, I purchased 1 set of termies before the price hike. They are still sitting unbuilt while I work on my new Skorne and Menoth armies.

Flashman wrote:Careful Malfred...

Delephont wrote:To those that have visited this thread to state that they have made no change to their spending habits at GW, and have no intention to do so...please be aware that your comments are not welcomed here.

If you have decided to stay with GW, and continue as if nothing has happened, then to be quite honest, I'm not really interested.....and for what it's worth, any post about the greatness of GW can really only be considered as trolling.

You know, I'm normally a passive Dakka poster and not one for arguments, but this is possibly the most arrogant thing I've ever read on these boards. So anybody buying stuff at GW is now officially evil and you don't want to hear their viewpoint? Is my confession to spending £17.50 at GW over the last couple of months considered trolling? If you ask a question, don't be a grump just because you don't get the answer you want to hear.

It's a long winded statement to say "stay on topic and if your not the topic, don't post". Still kinda strange to post in a public forum however. Like the thread is his "little club".

Guess I'm a troll now btw...

I think Chibi's right, Flashman, there are some very hostile pro-GW posts in this thread that aren't relevant to the discussing but are rather little more than trolling. I would not include your post in that, as your posts I always find to be worth reading.

Flashman wrote:

You know, I'm normally a passive Dakka poster and not one for arguments, but this is possibly the most arrogant thing I've ever read on these boards. So anybody buying stuff at GW is now officially evil and you don't want to hear their viewpoint? Is my confession to spending £17.50 at GW over the last couple of months considered trolling? If you ask a question, don't be a grump just because you don't get the answer you want to hear.

If I ask you what car do you drive? and you start telling me about the colour of your socks......I would be equally uninterested

This thread was aimed a specific group of people, those who took offense to GW recent activities and swore to walk away and not return. I'm equiring as to how these people are getting on in their hobby! It's a specific question to a specific group of hobbyists.

People have been contributing to the thread who don't fit into that catagory, and as such are contributing statements that have no bearing on the original question.

I apologise if my statement came across as arrogant, that wasn't the intention. However, I will admit to a certain degree of consternation / frustration, at those who feel a need to preach about how they admire GW no matter what the occassion. Well, all I'm saying, is that this isn't the venue for that frame of discussion.

Responding specifically to your post. You're spending £17.50 at GW has bearing if you swore never to shop there again, and were upset by their latest actions.....if however, that was the usual £17.50 spend you would always make, then I'll leave it to you to decide whether that statement is relevant to the thread or not

Fair enough, I apologise for my strong use of words. To be honest I haven't read the entire thread and perhaps I read your post out of context.

Peace and goodwill

Byte wrote: It's a long winded statement to say "stay on topic and if your not the topic, don't post". Still kinda strange to post in a public forum however. Like the thread is his "little club".

Guess I'm a troll now btw...

so because this is a public forum, it's unreasonable to expect to engage in a discussion about a particular subject?

I find your reference to this thread as my "little club" a bit childish actually, and goes to show that even though my statement may have been "long winded" you still fail to grasp the point......I think that says more about you than it does me.

Worglock wrote:

yamgrenade wrote:I'm not banning GW models, I'm just not going to buy directly from them any more.

Too overpriced for a long time now anyway.

you do know that they still get their money right?

They get money, but they get less money

warboss wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:I actually think that's a valid point.

It is... which is why I tell people to simply stop buying and not just switching their particular dealer. Whether you buy from Tyrone on 26th street or Mikey on 14th avenue, the Columbians get their cut regardless. It honestly didn't work too well with my local crowd as they did what HBMC did and just bought a crapload before the price raise.

... But, If one is purchasing miniutures second hand (via ebay/swap/bartertown ,etc) and not through GW/FLGS...then how does that money find it's way to GW?
For example, as I said, I have an OOP Praetorian army...for which I purchased ( second hand) OOP minis for...since GW hasn't produced these minis in years, and I'm buying them from " Bob the Guy"...how is this putting money in GW's pockets?
...I suppose a case could be made that " Bob the Guy" might turn around and spend the money he get's from my purchasing his OOP minis on "New" GW products.....but then again he might also spend it on booze...or stick it all into a strippers G-string.

On the way home I bought gas
The local store owner took the small profit I made by my gas purchase and gave his kid an allowance
His kid bought 2nd hand GW off Ebay with his allowance
The kid that sold that 2nd hand GW off Ebay gave it to his buddy on a trade for WM stuff
The kid that sold his WM stuff to his buddy that sold 2nd hand GW stuff on Ebay went directly into a GW and bought a Finecast model at full retail


*Laments to the sky*
Curse you GW!

AgeOfEgos wrote:On the way home I bought gas
The local store owner took the small profit I made by my gas purchase and gave his kid an allowance
His kid bought 2nd hand GW off Ebay with his allowance
The kid that sold that 2nd hand GW off Ebay gave it to his buddy on a trade for WM stuff
The kid that sold his WM stuff to his buddy that sold 2nd hand GW stuff on Ebay went directly into a GW and bought a Finecast model at full retail


*Laments to the sky*
Curse you GW!

...Sooner or later...GW will get all your money.

FITZZ wrote:
...I suppose a case could be made that " Bob the Guy" might turn around and spend the money he get's from my purchasing his OOP minis on "New" GW products.....but then again he might also spend it on booze...or stick it all into a strippers G-string.

Pretty much that and I was a good example of it. When I got back into 40k in 5th edition, I eventually got two new armies which were almost wholey financed (as well as other gaming purchases) by selling 3 old armies. While not everyone sells 40k stuff and then uses that money to buy more, there are a good percentage of people that do. A completely unscientific way of taking a peek at how many might is to take a look in the swap shop and see how many people have 40k in both their wants and there haves lists. Are there people that are only selling GW and not looking for anything from them? Sure, but less than half.

warboss wrote:

FITZZ wrote:
...I suppose a case could be made that " Bob the Guy" might turn around and spend the money he get's from my purchasing his OOP minis on "New" GW products.....but then again he might also spend it on booze...or stick it all into a strippers G-string.

Pretty much that and I was a good example of it. When I got back into 40k in 5th edition, I eventually got two new armies which were almost wholey financed (as well as other gaming purchases) by selling 3 old armies. While not everyone sells 40k stuff and then uses that money to buy more, there are a good percentage of people that do. A completely unscientific way of taking a peek at how many might is to take a look in the swap shop and see how many people have 40k in both their wants and there haves lists. Are there people that are only selling GW and not looking for anything from them? Sure, but less than half.

I agree overall, I'm sure that indirectly moneys I have spent towards second hand minis has eventually found it's way back to GW ( at least a certian percentage of it.), though I myself have made the conscience effort not to purchase directly from GW ( up to and including scrapping plans to start a DE army).
I buy second hand to complete the Praetorians I started as I invested a great deal in beginning them, but as I said before upon their completion, I plan to leave GW altogether ( I'll play with the armies I have/ but not purchase anything new from them).

Delephont wrote:Hi Peeps

Well, it's been a fair few weeks since the Great GW Heresy. Amid all the teeth neashing, hair pulling, and general "nerd" rage, certain Dakka members swore to walk away and never look back. I was one of them. Since deciding that I wasn't going to invest in GW anymore as a source for my gaming hobby (in any way shape or form!) I feel myself getting less and less embroiled in GW chat, and generally don't even think about or follow their, somewhat shrouded, product releases.....in short, it's great!

I was wondering what has become of the other "ragers" , what are you guys doing now? Have you turned back to the dark side, or have you, like me, found solace in other products?

So come on, tell us the truth.....where are you now?

Wow a whole two weeks or so? What a Martyr!!!

Check back with us in six months to a year, I bet most will be back sucking at the GW teet...

Wouldn't wanna put money on that.
Some of us are rather averse to sucking up and such taunts only serve to stregthen one's resolve to be distanced from GW

Delephont wrote:

Byte wrote: It's a long winded statement to say "stay on topic and if your not the topic, don't post". Still kinda strange to post in a public forum however. Like the thread is his "little club".

Guess I'm a troll now btw...

so because this is a public forum, it's unreasonable to expect to engage in a discussion about a particular subject?

I find your reference to this thread as my "little club" a bit childish actually, and goes to show that even though my statement may have been "long winded" you still fail to grasp the point......I think that says more about you than it does me.

Strange, you attack me for trying to clarify your lack of attack on another member. Classy.

CT GAMER wrote:

Delephont wrote:Hi Peeps

Well, it's been a fair few weeks since the Great GW Heresy. Amid all the teeth neashing, hair pulling, and general "nerd" rage, certain Dakka members swore to walk away and never look back. I was one of them. Since deciding that I wasn't going to invest in GW anymore as a source for my gaming hobby (in any way shape or form!) I feel myself getting less and less embroiled in GW chat, and generally don't even think about or follow their, somewhat shrouded, product releases.....in short, it's great!

I was wondering what has become of the other "ragers" , what are you guys doing now? Have you turned back to the dark side, or have you, like me, found solace in other products?

So come on, tell us the truth.....where are you now?

Wow a whole two weeks or so? What a Martyr!!!

Check back with us in six months to a year, I bet most will be back sucking at the GW teet...

...And your reasoning behind this would be...?

Honestly, I find it somewhat amusing that people have such a hard time believing that people could actually get fed up with something and walk away from it...
GW isn't a wife...or a family...or a job ( for most)....and people walk away from those all the time...is it honestly so difficult to belive that folks would reach a point in which they would say..."Ok ..I'm done.." and go elsewhere for their entertainment?

FITZZ wrote:is it honestly so difficult to belive that folks would reach a point in which they would say..."Ok ..I'm done.." and go elsewhere for their entertainment?

I believe there was mention of a strip club earlier in the thread??

SilverMK2 wrote:

FITZZ wrote:is it honestly so difficult to belive that folks would reach a point in which they would say..."Ok ..I'm done.." and go elsewhere for their entertainment?

I believe there was mention of a strip club earlier in the thread??

...Exactly...do you know how many lap dances you can get for the cost of a tactical squad these days..

I'll stay with GW, but cancelled plans to build a DE army quickly.
A Kan wall is waiting to be completed and this will happen during summer.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Wouldn't wanna put money on that.
Some of us are rather averse to sucking up and such taunts only serve to stregthen one's resolve to be distanced from GW

Its not a taunt its an observation based upon what I have seen again and again over the years.

Lots of bluster and talk until just the right "new shiny thing" comes along and then people go right back to the crack pipe that is GW...

FITZZ wrote: ...Exactly...do you know how many lap dances you can get for the cost of a tactical squad these days..

Just so long as you don't use Creed to outflank back to your place

Pine Green
Dettol
Sump oil
Tesco's universal cleaner
fairy pow....

oh.
I have misunderstood haven't I

FITZZ wrote:

...And your reasoning behind this would be...?

Nothing other then I have seen it over and over again since the early ninties...

Yes a few stoic individuals might just walk away, but most eventually return.

CT GAMER wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Wouldn't wanna put money on that.
Some of us are rather averse to sucking up and such taunts only serve to stregthen one's resolve to be distanced from GW

Its not a taunt its an observation based upon what I have seen again and again over the years.

Lots of bluster and talk until just the right "new shiny thing" comes along and then people go right back to the crack pipe that is GW...

...That's making the assumption that people will even be paying attention when " New shinny things" come out...
Sure, some will...some will have moved on and won't care less.

FITZZ wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Wouldn't wanna put money on that.
Some of us are rather averse to sucking up and such taunts only serve to stregthen one's resolve to be distanced from GW

Its not a taunt its an observation based upon what I have seen again and again over the years.

Lots of bluster and talk until just the right "new shiny thing" comes along and then people go right back to the crack pipe that is GW...

...That's making the assumption that people will even be paying attention when " New shinny things" come out...
Sure, some will...some will have moved on and won't care less.

So you and Chibi are now living in a hobby-free bubble? Weird you both seem to be haunting Dakka rather regularly...

I have purchased a copy of Heavy Gear Blitz and am contemplating some Infinity stuff amongst other things.

I think that GW realizes they are losing vets. Maybe that is one reason they are rereleasing the Lamassu.

CT GAMER wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

...And your reasoning behind this would be...?

Nothing other then I have seen it over and over again since the early ninties...

Yes a few stoic individuals might just walk away, but most eventually return.

Perhaps...
I know in my case I didn't "discover" GW until I was almost 30, I got on just fine with out it for all those years prior and, while I enjoy a good game and doing a bit of painting and modeling...I certianly don't " need' GW in my life to be happy...in fact I'm rather convinced I'll be happier spending the money elsewhere...


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CT GAMER wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Wouldn't wanna put money on that.
Some of us are rather averse to sucking up and such taunts only serve to stregthen one's resolve to be distanced from GW

Its not a taunt its an observation based upon what I have seen again and again over the years.

Lots of bluster and talk until just the right "new shiny thing" comes along and then people go right back to the crack pipe that is GW...

...That's making the assumption that people will even be paying attention when " New shinny things" come out...
Sure, some will...some will have moved on and won't care less.

So you and Chibi are now living in a hobby-free bubble? Weird you both seem to be haunting Dakka rather regularly...

Funny...I wasn't aware that Dakka had a "purchase limit" required in order to post here....

Still spend the same amount of money on GW stuff that i have for the past 20+ years. Love all thier games and will continue to support them for years to come. It the best mimi gaming system out there for me. How you all enjoy the games you are all playing. Have fun!

So you and Chibi are now living in a hobby-free bubble? Weird you both seem to be haunting Dakka rather regularly...

Hey, FITZZ and Chibi, if you ever want to play me in one of my non-hobby game systems, such as Warmachine or Dystopian Wars, I'd welcome it. Bear in mind, though, these miniature based wargames are not a hobby.

That seems a fair assessment Fitzz.

Can't say that I have noticed any withdrawal symptoms from going cold turkey
I do need some new paints but my LFGS stocks Vallejo which is supposedly very good.

My only dilemma is Citadel metal paints which I do like.
but if I needs must forgo their delights so be it.

FITZZ wrote:

Funny...I wasn't aware that Dakka had a "purchase limit" required in order to post here....

That wasn't my point. You implied that people that had walked away wouldn't could be tempted by "new shiny" becasue they wouldn't be paying attention to notice them. That is fairly hard to do given the nature of this site...

htj wrote:

So you and Chibi are now living in a hobby-free bubble? Weird you both seem to be haunting Dakka rather regularly...

Hey, FITZZ and Chibi, if you ever want to play me in one of my non-hobby game systems, such as Warmachine or Dystopian Wars, I'd welcome it. Bear in mind, though, these miniature based wargames are not a hobby.

I think due to Chibi's location ,he'd be much more able to take you up on that...as me playing you would involve a plane trip...but..if I'm ever on your side of the pond.

Wow
got ninja'd by plenty of sweet stuff

Thanks HTJ
not hobby works for me!

Amazing I didn't realise one wasn't even supposed to discuss something unless actively engaged in it
That'll keep me unprecendently quiet as I will have bugger all to talk about!

edit: of course there is always my long term illness
the aches the pains! Am sure Dakka would be very interested

no?

no one?


*chirrup*

htj wrote:

So you and Chibi are now living in a hobby-free bubble? Weird you both seem to be haunting Dakka rather regularly...

Hey, FITZZ and Chibi, if you ever want to play me in one of my non-hobby game systems, such as Warmachine or Dystopian Wars, I'd welcome it. Bear in mind, though, these miniature based wargames are not a hobby.

Your attempt at being clever aside, wargaming is a hobby, and Warmachine and any other such games are part of said hobby.

I play Warmachine regularly, and have done so since before Original Prime was even on the shelves. I also have a fairly large list of complaints concerning GW and it's various buisness decisions, pricing, treatment of fanbase, game design, etc.


None of that changes the facts as evidenced over and over again since I have been involved.

i have seen scores walk away/boycott in disgust in the past 20+ years, and most are back playing today. It is an observation that history has shown me is sound.

Chibi and Fitzz MAY be part of the small percentage that don't, but that does nothing to change my observation...


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Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
Amazing I didn't realise one wasn't even supposed to discuss something unless actively engaged in it
That'll keep me unprecendently quiet as I will have bugger all to talk about!

I didnt say that as I already pointed put, lets try to keep the discussion on the facts:

Fittz suggested that those that walkaway would not be tempted back becuse they would have no exposure to the new shiny. I think that is laughable if one spends any amount of time here or on similar sites...

CT GAMER wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Funny...I wasn't aware that Dakka had a "purchase limit" required in order to post here....

That wasn't my point. You implied that people that had walked away wouldn't could be tempted by "new shiny" becasue they wouldn't be paying attention to notice them. That is fairly hard to do given the nature of this site...

I get what your saying, but by "walked away" I meant no longer purchased GW products....and while one may see the " New toys" one can always resist the desire to purchase them..or see them and not care.
For example, I wanted to start a Dark Elder army ( had one in 3rd ed and liked it and like the look of the new minis) however, due to my dislike of GW...I opted not to...
It's a simple matter of conviction, I don't like the racist owner of the guitar shop down the street...I don't buy from him...I don't like how GW runs their business...I don't buy from them...

htj wrote:

So you and Chibi are now living in a hobby-free bubble? Weird you both seem to be haunting Dakka rather regularly...

Hey, FITZZ and Chibi, if you ever want to play me in one of my non-hobby game systems, such as Warmachine or Dystopian Wars, I'd welcome it. Bear in mind, though, these miniature based wargames are not a hobby.

I've purchased a Chaplain terminator for 15 bucks. That's been the only thing I've got so far. The rest of my money is going towards Comic-Con and school. I don't really hate Gee-Dubya as much as other people and I don't recall saying that I was quitting so I think I'm good.

That being said, I plan on purchasing any further 40k products from eBay because the normal stuff is so danged expensive now.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
Can't say that I have noticed any withdrawal symptoms from going cold turkey.

Me neither. I've found that another scifi universe with nice minis makes for a great hobby and pretty much cures any cravings too!



This is what my grey knights army became in April when I decided to not start one (unfortunately decided AFTER spending a dozen hours scouring the web saving any pics/tutorials on true-scale marines I could find...). Anyone else got pics of what they've bought INSTEAD of spending their money on GW?

Your attempt at being clever aside, wargaming is a hobby, and Warmachine and any other such games are part of said hobby.

Not according to GW and some blinkered fans
GW IS THE Hobby

Implying that GW has exclusive rights, all others being fakes and frauds.
And while they continue to think this they will get a two fingered gesture from myself and others.

CT GAMER wrote:Your attempt at being clever aside, wargaming is a hobby, and Warmachine and any other such games are part of said hobby.

Yes indeed, I just have an allergic reaction to GW being portrayed as the only hobby. The Hobby, if you will. Since I now know that's not what you intended, I have a better understanding of what you're trying to say. However, the way you put it there implied that one would only visit this site to discuss The Hobby, i.e. GW games and miniatures. I took umbrage at this, hence my attempt to be clever.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

Your attempt at being clever aside, wargaming is a hobby, and Warmachine and any other such games are part of said hobby.

Not according to GW and some blinkered fans
GW IS THE Hobby

Implying that GW has exclusive rights, all others being fakes and frauds.
And while they continue to think this they will get a two fingered gesture from myself and others.

I think the confusion is that Hobby was not capitalized. In web-sarcasm, the GW Hobby should be delineated from lesser Voldemort predecessors by making it a proper noun starting with a capital H, as befitting for a company as esteemed as GW who lay claim to inventing the arrow symbol and Romans.

I've just bought 12 of these



to use for Broadsides when the Tau Federation codex gets updated.

They cost me only £4 each shipped to the UK. Obviously there is some adaptation needed so I've test assembled one to figure out what to do on a production line basis.

I'll probably sculpt and cast some kind of a Smart Missile System for them.

There's also my pile of 1/48th scale seaplanes to be worked on.

I sold my Marine army over a year ago to pay for a vacation with my now fiancé, and it was just too expensive to get back in. I have no hatred or disgust towards GW, they just cost way too much to even buy second-hand for me. The last GW product I'll be buying for the foreseeable future is the Kampgruppe Normandy rulebook, and some paints.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

Your attempt at being clever aside, wargaming is a hobby, and Warmachine and any other such games are part of said hobby.

Not according to GW and some blinkered fans
GW IS THE Hobby

Implying that GW has exclusive rights, all others being fakes and frauds.
And while they continue to think this they will get a two fingered gesture from myself and others.

...And that's just it...

GW is not the "Be all..end all" to the "Hobby"...they're are lot's of other games out there to play and plenty other minis to paint
No one is "chained" to GW....nor should anyone feel the "need" to fork their cash over to GW if they don't wish to simply because GW postures as " THE HOBBY"...it's nonsense.

Just walk away....

Grot 6 wrote:Just walk away....

* Dear Sir,

...Due to your obvious infringement upon our established IP, we have no choice but to issue this warning to cease and desist from said usage...

.." Friday the 13th part XIII...Jason goes to GW"...

CT GAMER wrote:

Delephont wrote:Hi Peeps

Well, it's been a fair few weeks since the Great GW Heresy. Amid all the teeth neashing, hair pulling, and general "nerd" rage, certain Dakka members swore to walk away and never look back. I was one of them. Since deciding that I wasn't going to invest in GW anymore as a source for my gaming hobby (in any way shape or form!) I feel myself getting less and less embroiled in GW chat, and generally don't even think about or follow their, somewhat shrouded, product releases.....in short, it's great!

I was wondering what has become of the other "ragers" , what are you guys doing now? Have you turned back to the dark side, or have you, like me, found solace in other products?

So come on, tell us the truth.....where are you now?

Wow a whole two weeks or so? What a Martyr!!!

Check back with us in six months to a year, I bet most will be back sucking at the GW teet...

Ok, not sure how or why I qualify for Martyr status, but I guess this is the internet, so anything is possible.

Reading all the ensuing posts related to this statement, I think, for myself and many others, once you stop focusing on the great GW and their line of products, any new shiny thing that comes out will kinda lose it's relevance in terms of your gaming needs......and going out and purchasing single minis just for painting is no longer an option for me anyway.

Since leaving GW, while I still have my IG army, I have no real reason to purchase anything more for it, let alone from GW. I've recently invested in Malifaux (awesome game!) and Infinity, and I know there are some great games on the horizon, like Studio McVeys coming Sci Fi game, the new PP Sci Fi game and loads more.....for my painting and display needs, I'm going exclusive 54mm from the likes of Draconia, Enigma, Andrea and other companies.

With all of this, remind me why I need to go suck at GW's teet?

Delephont wrote:

With all of this, remind me why I need to go suck at GW's teet?

My point was that 2-3 weeks of boycotting/walking away means nothing. In fact i would hope those that have declared self-exodus could last that long or conviction was dubious to begin with.

Short term anyone can make all manner of claims in the heat of the moment.

My point was that the true test will be to check with people in six months, a year, two years five years, or to see if GW experiencing any noticable reduction in the player base over these same spans.

Very few that I have seen walk away in the past couple decades have stayed away for good.

Very few that I have seen walk away in the past couple decades have stayed away for good.

GW's marketing strategy is based on kids walking away for good


Not sure that permanent self imposed exile was mentioned by everyone.
If all things remain equal then yes it will be for good for me.
Others just have had enough and it will be permanent and some will drift back into GW's welcoming embrace.
(aka squeezing the last drop of blood )

Anecdotal evidence suggests that peer groups are perhaps the important issue for some.
If there are sufficient numbers willing to play Warmahordes etc then they will be more likely take up other games rather than not have someone to play against,
or conversley stick with GW games if no one else in their group switches.

I think a lot of people are more like me.

I gave up full price GW stuff after the 2010 price hikes. Since then I've picked up a fair bit of secondhand Tyranid stuff off eBay, and a couple of kits I needed in a hurry, to finish the army for a tournament.

If and when the Tau Federation codex is updated, I'll certainly buy that, because I have a Tau army. I would buy an awesome model like the Orca gunship from Summer of Fliers.

On the whole, though, I will substitute alternatives for models in my IG and SM armies, and I won't start any new armies.

I won't by any means have walked away from 40K, but my spending on GW will remain low.

I think one of the most positive things to come of all of this, is peoples willingness to explore alternatives, and in some cases even go as far as "actively advertising" alternative games systems and companies.....in short, things are good.

As far as going back is concerned....lets not forget affordability. I may fancy picking a few gaming pieces up from GW, but with the prices as they are, it's far to simple to second guess your decision to purchase....which means no impulse buying. Let's not also forget, GW can only really ever raise their prices....theres no real going back for them, I think even a price freeze would be difficult.

Well Warhammer Fantasy is gone and mostly sold, still getting 40K, but cheaper where I can, trades and ebay 2nd hand.
Aurelia needs more Dark Eldar occasionally, and I'll still be buying my eldest lad some Necons if they appear.

Got into Infinity as well, really liking the models, considering a second faction soon.
Also considering going after some Specialist Games stuff off ebay and other sites. More Mordheim, restarting Necromunda, possibly restarting Warhammer Quest again.

Oddly my GW spending is up this year, but only as for the past three previous its been nigh on non existant and of course nearly of that is via discount stores.

I haven't bought anything from GWS so far this year, I'd guess, and maybe a bit before that. Maybe 9 months. I got a boxed Stormraven off ebay in November, pretty sure that's the last kit I bought*.

The only things I have bought in the last year would be a few bitz to complete projects I started, like I got 3 Deffguns on Ebay to convert into Lootas and finish my squad. A few little things like that.

It's not so much I "quit GWS" as I felt I had everything I needed, and was so turned off by them that I didn't get things I wanted (ex Grey Knights - I had planned to get these, but didn't like the lore).

I do plan to buy into Necrons when they are released, depending on how they look lorewise when they come out, and if Finecast has been worked out yet.

Then again, like I said, I had planned to get GK. So, we'll see.


Edit: OK, I got one kit this year - a Forge World Boarding Marine that a friend picked up at Adepticon or something like that. So if FW counts, I bought one kit this year.

Same as KK for me - I gave up buying GW stuff after the price rises of 2010 and I haven't bought anything since. Anything I have needed has come via Ebay or second hand so the recent price increases and Finecast debacle haven't really meant much other than a vindication of my own decision to stop buying their stuff.

CT Gamer, to an extent I agree with you. When I see people going "I QUIT THE HOBBY BAWWW!" I always smile a little. But what those people really mean (most of the time), is "I am currently really angry with GW and this is going to stop me making purchases for a while. They might bring out a kit I really like thouh, and by golly I'll feel sheepish when I buy it!"

My drop in spending comes because other people are producing stuff I want at a better price. If 8th edition was a little bit more balanced, I'd probably feel less inclined to jump ship, but it's mostly better value being provided by competitors.

Pretty sure no one that has posted on this thread has reacted like a spoiled four year old here or on the other threads started since the fans hit the gakk back in May (or whenever it was)

There are plenty of very positive posts, as Delphont mentioned, about other sytems and models. Of people adapting very healthily and in a well balanced way to gaming life post THE Hobby
There are plenty of posts from people who are quite happy to buy the odd bit of kit without embarrassment.

The only people going boo hoo are either misunderstanding the nature of the thread or just plain trolling.
Personally I find the propensity to try and undermine someone else's opinion by labelling someone or making baby cry noises rather tiresome and rude. Above all it is a method adopted, paradoxically, in the playground.

Da Boss wrote:CT Gamer, to an extent I agree with you. When I see people going "I QUIT THE HOBBY BAWWW!" I always smile a little. But what those people really mean (most of the time), is "I am currently really angry with GW and this is going to stop me making purchases for a while. They might bring out a kit I really like thouh, and by golly I'll feel sheepish when I buy it!"

My drop in spending comes because other people are producing stuff I want at a better price. If 8th edition was a little bit more balanced, I'd probably feel less inclined to jump ship, but it's mostly better value being provided by competitors.

I don't agree.

I left GW with a smile on my face. !@#$ them.

NOT coming back means just that. There is no, "oh, I miss the beatings, because you love me..." here.

DONE means done. PP, skermish games, other games companies selling for fractions of the cost of a game company that feels the need to @#$% you in the !@# and call it "The Hobby".


FREE is an operative word as well. With as many choices for gaming out there? GW... a fond memory.

What I do have now is a metric s!#$ ton in GW stuff that needs a new home, and I don't want to take a dump on selling it for too low a price, but I don't feel the need to rape you over it.

Call it a "Crisis of Concious", or trying to sell it at a reasonable price, so I can get out with my shirt, and get what I put into it.

THAT is my only issue now.

There is no coming back after the shafting that I felt after that last go around with GW's gak.

They lost a consumer that paid into sometimes 1 to 2,000 to sometimes 5,000 bucks a month on stuff, from paint, to miniatures, to games.

Along with others of the same crowd? They've easily lost 1-20 of the same types of buyers. who have moved on to Flames of War, PP, Boardgames, historicals, etc.

Each month, a few more step away from the table, and move out to new games.

Malfaux, now... In a few more months, Infinity.


My Infinity stuff will be paid for by GW's product...along with a few other game systems and some smaller companies FULL ranges for the prices of one GW army.


There is nothing that they can do to get me back as a customer now. It's too late.

Chibi, you misunderstand me. I am not claiming anyone in this thread has been unreasonable. But you've got to have seen the people making strong statements, using words like "disgusting" to describe the price rise- strong emotive language. It's amusing to some of us because we've seen it all before, and we've seen some of those same people post later on about things they have bought or want to buy from GW. Better if they left the emotive, dramatic language out of it altogether. Apologies though if my joke (BAAAAWW) has offended you. My girlfriend uses it on me every time I whinge about something, and it's perhaps lost it's impact on me .

People saying they are disgusted by price rises does not sound the same as a baby bawling

It is human nature to complain about price rises. It would be more baffling if people said whoopeee a price rise! How delightful, I will get even less for my pennies and the bairns will have to starve.

If prices rise for legitimate reasons it is a pain but that is the way the bee bumbles. As per metal costs.
When prices rise, because that is what we do regardless of economic factors; or switching to a cheaper material and charging more than the material you switched out of because that is such a volotile commodity...

Well I can see why people get pissed off. To denegrate and mock them for it, whilst hypocritically behaving like a child, is disrespectful, and actually now I think of it, against Rule #1

I am not offended, just rather tired of these cheap adhominem tactics. If someone disagrees they are inevitably whinging or whining or a hater, white knighting or an apologist or whatever is a la mode. So everything they say must of course be wrong mustn't it?.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:People saying they are disgusted by price rises does not sound the same as a baby bawling

It is human nature to complain about price rises. It would be more baffling if people said whoopeee a price rise! How delightful, I will get even less for my pennies and the bairns will have to starve.

If prices rise for legitimate reasons it is a pain but that is the way the bee bumbles. As per metal costs.
When prices rise, because that is what we do regardless of economic factors; or switching to a cheaper material and charging more than the material you switched out of because that is such a volotile commodity...

Well I can see why people get pissed off. To denegrate and mock them for it, whilst hypocritically behaving like a child, is disrespectful, and actually now I think of it, against Rule #1

I am not offended, just rather tired of these cheap adhominem tactics. If someone disagrees they are inevitably whinging or whining or a hater, white knighting or an apologist or whatever is a la mode. So everything they say must of course be wrong mustn't it?.

Well said Chibi..

We are not "bawling" or pitching a fit...our complaints are quite valid.

It was a joke Chibi. I've seen you make your share of jokes, and it isn't a childish thing to do.

It is human nature to complain about price rises, true. But some posts cast them as some sort of deep ethical affront.

The flip side of you being tired of ad hominens, is that many are tired of the same old outrage every time the prices go up. I don't like GW corporate at all, but I don't see what they are doing as any more than poor business.
My comment was directed at a minority of posters who go too far with their griping and into drama llama territory.

I don't think my post fell into the boring as hell GW Cynics vs. GW Apologist territory, if you did, alright.

@ Da Boss

I understand your point. I actually saw the inverse a few weeks back on here. There was this one kid who swore he would carry on supporting GW no matter what, and blah blah blah...he had his reasons etc.....I actually called him out for being a troll (you had to be there) anyway, people jumped to his defense and backed him up.....THE SAME DAY, this dude posts on another thread that he's through with GW because of the price hikes.....what a prick?!

Yep, these people are out there, and in both camps. Still, we have to take what people say at face value until they prove themselves to be less than they say.

I got my gaming group at my university into 40k last year.

And now because of the recent price rises and the 6th edition rumors, a lot of us switched over to Warmahordes.

I'm personally enjoying every single game I play with the system, in addition to the fact that I don't feel ripped off when buying GW models.

I've not bought any GW products since the most recent price hike, but have picked up an Infinity starter set.

I'm still playing 40K, but am seriously considering selling my Tyranids -- they were always pretty weak, and the last 2 army releases have made them weaker still. I'll stick with my Dark Angels, and my "Grey Knights" (most of which are actually Inquisitorial minis, and none of which are GKs from the new range).

I've spent roughly $400/month on Warmahordes.

It really is a great gaming system, and far more rewarding (as in, I feel more personal satisfaction, personally, based on my personal opinion) than 40k ever was.

Other GW players are jumping ship now and switching over, and they also get kinda mindblown on how good a game system it is.

The closest I've come to playing a GW game in the last few months was helping the store owner run a 40k tournament and telling a guy I'd loan him an army for 'Ard Boyz.

Correction Boss
Jokes are not necessarily childish
but am guilty of schoolboy humour

all too frequently

Where I am now is enjoying the wider world of the Hobby

Having an existing Grey Knights heavy Daemonhunters army , not having purchased anything GW for a year or so I broke my 'Embargo' in the week of the Grey Knights release buying the Codex and a box of Termies at a 20% discount from my local independent .
The recent price rise has wiped that discount out .

I had already reached the decision some years ago in one of the previous price rises that I would never start another new GW army - the expense was just too much - so its not quite a total embargo .

On an aside - I walked into a GW store today in passing - and my jaw metaphorically dropped lower and lower as I scanned across the shelves at the incredible rise in prices , it doesnt seem that long ago I was buying Hammerheads for £20 - now they are £31 !

Edit : Oh , and Codeci @ £20 !

That is another thing I no longer need to worry my pretty little head over

Army book updates
It's like a weight has been lifted from my shoulders
and jumped into my wallet

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:That is another thing I no longer need to worry my pretty little head over

Army book updates
It's like a weight has been lifted from my shoulders
and jumped into my wallet

We gave up on GW’s rules a long time ago, so that is one thing that’s quite nice. Last rulebook I actually gave a damn about was the Guard Codex, but more to see what they screwed up than how ‘good’ it was going to be. The only thing that worries me nower days with army books is just how much of a raping the fluff is going to get (and I think the Grey Knights was critical mass, I can’t imagine it getting any worse than that... then again Ward is writing the Necron book... so anything’s possible I ‘spose).

H.B.M.C. wrote:We gave up on GW’s rules a long time ago, so that is one thing that’s quite nice. Last rulebook I actually gave a damn about was the Guard Codex, but more to see what they screwed up than how ‘good’ it was going to be. The only thing that worries me nower days with army books is just how much of a raping the fluff is going to get (and I think the Grey Knights was critical mass, I can’t imagine it getting any worse than that... then again Ward is writing the Necron book... so anything’s possible I ‘spose).

So you're basically completely bitter and unable to accept that any new fluff or units are good by this point, right?

Yep. That's exactly it. Got it in one ph34r.

x 1000

About to start a Nomad force, painting lots and lots of Trollbloods and pondering about Cygnar. Not looking back.

As it says in my sig, I’ve jumped ship due PP due to the current state of GW. I’ve never been happier personally as PP remind me of how GW used to operate during third edition (when I first joined the hobby).

One of the things I was sick of when I was collecting during fifth edition was making excuses to myself why I was still collecting GW when I had so many issues with the company. I’ve yet to encounter any negatives with PP so far. Even price hasn’t been an issue for me as I’ve been able to get all my PP stuff for cheap including the Bane Thralls resculpt for £31.49.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yep. That's exactly it. Got it in one ph34r.

x 1000

Thanks, I had a strong feeling that you were just irredeemably bitter as think it logical to consider yourself somehow worthy of judging the fluff in C:GK, C:BA, etc. to be blatantly worse than old fluff, is pretty damn crazy.


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candy.man wrote:As it says in my sig, I’ve jumped ship due PP due to the current state of GW. I’ve never been happier personally as PP remind me of how GW used to operate during third edition (when I first joined the hobby).

One of the things I was sick of when I was collecting during fifth edition was making excuses to myself why I was still collecting GW when I had so many issues with the company. I’ve yet to encounter any negatives with PP so far. Even price hasn’t been an issue for me as I’ve been able to get all my PP stuff for cheap including the Bane Thralls resculpt for £31.49.

How do you feel about paying $20 for single pose metal cavalry and $6-$10 for single pose metal infantry? $50+ for metal bricks of 'jack models?

While even in the worst throes of GW's price terribleness, most (not all, looking at you blood knights, and hey even still blood knights are significantly better sculpts than PP) cavalry is still $5-$10 for plastic with many bits options, infantry is $3-$5 for plastic models with a huge array of bits options, and ~$50 models like the talos and wraithlord are of comparable size to warjacks but with a vastly superior range of convertability, posability, and wargear options?


I have no comment on the Warmahordes rules as I don't play it, but hear the rules are well made and competitive.

But for models? If you are quitting GW for price related reasons as likely most people who quit are, isn't it a sort of madness to switch to PP where prices are higher?

its not just price. its price per army. sure, the heavy warjacks are expensive, but you don't need 8 of them for a regular army, you need one, MAYBE two. GW's editions of 40k and WHFB have been steadily increasing the size for a regular battle for years and years so that people will want to buy more product(apocalypse anyone?)

$6-$10 for single pose metal infantry?

Explain how this is worse than $15-20 for a single pose Finecast figure.

Sidstyler wrote:

$6-$10 for single pose metal infantry?

Explain how this is worse than $15-20 for a single pose Finecast figure.

So you think it is valid to compare character model prices from GW to basic infantry prices for PP? Just trying to make sure before I laugh at you.

Alright then, what the feth are you talking about, because I assumed we were comparing the prices of single, infantry-sized models. I don't see why it matters if it's a "character" or not, it's the same size model.

GW and PP character models are both very expensive, in the $15-$20 range.

GW and PP metal infantry models are comparable, but PP is generally slightly more expensive.

PP doesn't much plastic infantry, so you can get $2.5 models from GW with extensive options where the best you can get from PP is $5 with zero options and zero poseability.

ph34r wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:

$6-$10 for single pose metal infantry?

Explain how this is worse than $15-20 for a single pose Finecast figure.

So you think it is valid to compare character model prices from GW to basic infantry prices for PP? Just trying to make sure before I laugh at you.

Warcaster small based PP models range from 10-20 dollars, if you want to compare.

Upper range stuff seems to be based on models that come with sculpted bases,
like the Testament and Epic Kreoss. Epic Severius, the model that comes with
"people shoes" is 23.99. Target average seems to be 14.99.

It depends, some of the character models can get that high but they're usually the larger ones. I've seen quite a few characters/solos in the $10-15 range. When comparing just the troop models then yeah, I think GW is slightly cheaper because most troop choices are in plastic, but it's offset by the fact that with GW you have to buy so damn many of them. For Warmachine you might need maybe two boxes, for any GW game you'll need at least 6-8 for anything that's not a Marine army.

Sorry though, I thought for a minute you were comparing single figure blisters and saying PP was more expensive, I was like "wat".

My issue has not ever really been cost per blister/box, but overall cost of a full army. Comparison time.

I don't have it here, but if I remember correctly, my 2000 point Space Marine army consisted of something like:
Chapter Master - $20
Chaplain with Plasma Pistol - $15
5 Assault Terminators - $50
10 Sternguard - $90
Tac Squad w/Flamer and Missile Launcher - $37.25
Tac Squad w/Plasma Gun and Lascannon (I don't know if the most recent plastic kit includes a Plasma Gun, it didn't when I bought it, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt) - $51.25
3 Rhinos - $99
10 Assault Marines - $66
Predator - $49.50
Land Raider - $66

Grand total: $544 USD

Now, my (planned) 50 points Cyngar for Warmachine. I'll even be generous to GW and list the cost of each Battlebox item seperately:

Commander Coleman Stryker - $8
Charger - $15
Lancer - $17
Ironclad - $35
2 Hunters - $34
Centurion - $35
Journeyman Warcaster - $9
Black 13th Gun Mages - $17
Reinholdt, Gobber Speculator - $6
Squire - $10
Box of Sword Knights $40
2 Blisters of Sword Knights - $26
Sword Knight Command - $22

$274, and that's for 50pts. If I'm not mistaken, most tournaments are 35pts, so it'd cost even less.

Now, if you're just buying minis for the sake of buying minis, then yeah, they're roughly the same, but if you're actually playing the game, you will spend less on the average Warmahordes army than you will on a Warhammer army of either flavor.

I shudder to think of the cost of my 2000 points of Skaven.

Also the cost of getting started is widely disproportionate. About $55 will get you a 15 point Warmahordes Army, which is an excellent starting point, and you get quick-start rules. If you want to start 40K with an army that isn't Orks or Space Marines, well... Let's use Dark Eldar as an example. The Battleforce comes with 10 Dark Eldar Warriors, 10 Wyches, a Raider, and 3 Jetbikes. That's $95. You'll need an HQ, say an Archon, for $15.25. Ah, but this starter set doesn't include the rules, so you'll need the Codex at $33. You'll need the rules, too, so that's $57.75, though you could try to get the AoBR book off eBay. A cursory glance seems to reveal the average price at $20. so there's $160-200 just to get started. But no, Warhammer is a perfectly reasonably priced tabletop wargame.

RatBot wrote:My issue has not ever really been cost per blister/box, but overall cost of a full army. Comparison time.

I don't have it here, but if I remember correctly, my 2000 point Space Marine army consisted of something like:
Chapter Master - $20
Chaplain with Plasma Pistol - $15
5 Assault Terminators - $50
10 Sternguard - $90
Tac Squad w/Flamer and Missile Launcher - $37.25
Tac Squad w/Plasma Gun and Lascannon (I don't know if the most recent plastic kit includes a Plasma Gun, it didn't when I bought it, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt) - $51.25
3 Rhinos - $99
10 Assault Marines - $66
Predator - $49.50
Land Raider - $66

Grand total: $544 USD

Now, my (planned) 50 points Cyngar for Warmachine. I'll even be generous to GW and list the cost of each Battlebox item seperately:

Commander Coleman Stryker - $8
Charger - $15
Lancer - $17
Ironclad - $35
2 Hunters - $34
Centurion - $35
Journeyman Warcaster - $9
Black 13th Gun Mages - $17
Reinholdt, Gobber Speculator - $6
Squire - $10
Box of Sword Knights $40
2 Blisters of Sword Knights - $26
Sword Knight Command - $22

$274, and that's for 50pts. If I'm not mistaken, most tournaments are 35pts, so it'd cost even less.

Now, if you're just buying minis for the sake of buying minis, then yeah, they're roughly the same, but if you're actually playing the game, you will spend less on the average Warmahordes army than you will on a Warhammer army of either flavor.

...And that's purchasing a SM army from GW, prices can get much higher if your going Guard,Nids...Orks.

And I wouldn't call that Space Marine army the "average", either, it's not using nearly enough vehicles and seems to be more of a "one of everything" type army. A more competitive MSU-style army would cost a lot more than that with all the extra troops/vehicles added in.

Yeah, my army isn't even really all that competitive. I think I threw together a mechanized Dark Eldar list once with an eye on competitiveness. I think it came out to $650 or so, and I nearly had a stroke.

The averages on metal to "metal" I've done in the past have put PP slightly cheaper actually on troop units. GW's plastic however does give them an edge.

RatBot wrote:Yeah, my army isn't even really all that competitive. I think I threw together a mechanized Dark Eldar list once with an eye on competitiveness. I think it came out to $650 or so, and I nearly had a stroke.

I was thinking about getting 9 each of the venoms and raiders so I'd be able to spam either one of them if I wanted. It's almost $600 just for that alone.

If you want to have a good army, or at least be able to field more than one build, it costs a fething fortune.

ph34r brings up a few good points. I am a warmachine player and I'll be the first to admit heavy infantry and character models can get quite expensive. PP are in no way perfect, and some models certainly do fall into that "too expensive for what they are" category. I do think he is overstating the facts though.

Most normal jacks run you about $35, not cheap by a longshot, but a touch better than $50 each. Character jacks do cost about $45-50 usually and tend to have good enough rules for you to want them, heck, drago is even $60 and he isn't even very expensive pointswise.
Single pose metal models for $10-15 seems to be the industry standard these days, sadly. You can look at Corvus Beli, Cipher Studios, Wyrd miniatures, and even citadel finecast, which replaced a metal range, and see prices mostly in that range. This doesn't justify the prices of any of those companies, but it dose make singling any one of them out for prices in that range unfair.
Why do PP only make them in a single pose? because you usually only buy one. Sometimes you'll want 2 or 3 of a solo or weapon attachment, but you should never see a whole unit of one pose.
In regards to customization and wargear, it just isn't in the game. You don't pay points for anything except models in warmachine. The plastic warjack kits are more like the skyray/devilfish than they are weapons options for one model, you get options for two very similar options that don't overlap enough to quite be called weapon options. There are no grenades, gun replacements, special scanners, magic scrolls, etc.

I just mostly wanted to clarify those facts since it seemed like a harsher light was being shed on the models than they deserved, at least for the reasons they were judged by. I try not to be a PP fanboy and I know they have done things I am not happy with -like releasing dawnguard destors in metal rather than plastic and making them a $100 unit. I do enjoy the game though, and I find more value from a 6 man unit of stormblades than I did from 20 kroot or 12 fire warriors back when I played 40k, and that is just from the fact that the one unit is all I'll ever need of them (ok, and game performance too).

Oh, and as for the exodus, I jumped ship just after 4ed hit so my continued ignoring of GW's offerings doesn't really affect them.

CT GAMER wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

...And your reasoning behind this would be...?

Nothing other then I have seen it over and over again since the early ninties...

Yes a few stoic individuals might just walk away, but most eventually return.

I would have agreed with you in the past, but I feel this time things have changed a little, at least for myself

- The price increases, inconvenient for some, have become irreconcilable for me living in RoW territory. I'm simply not willing to pay that much, and I'm DINK with a reasonable amount of disposable income. It has 'crossed the line' so to speak (even if I had a will to buy the models). I wonder if the stores closing in Japan are an indication of what is to come with RoW territory and the hobby. Certainly, I can't imagine that it can grow now.
- WD no longer being available in general newsagents and Smiths, less chance I will randomly see a mag on a shelf and pick it up. Almost zero internet presence or marketing.
- Perhaps this is my own fault for delving too deeply into the business practice of the company, but just completely losing faith with them. I think in some cases 'ignorance is bliss' and I had I not been aware of the recent policies of the company - of attempting to generate short term profit for dividend payments (with a large chunk of money going to the person who instigated them), while cutting down store staff, and slashing development budgets for new product, then I might well be willing to start another army again. But I see nothing remaining of the company which existed when I was a teenager. The company and all game, model and rule decisions are being made by money men who have no interest in the hobby, and their opinion of the customer (I used to work for the company, and speak to some people who still do occasionally) is just awful. I think that has been shown by the content of their decisions over the last couple of years.

But I think other than this the price will be the biggest issue. It is possible to play other games far, far more cheaply than GW's own. These other options did not have a significant presence even 10 years ago, but now they present a viable alternative. Most gamers don't come to forums such as these, but they will still make up their own mind about how much money they will be able to spend on the hobby.

I still haven't quit 40k, and I'm still buying at Australian retail prices. Hell, I even started a Vampire Counts army to go with my Tyranids. Two horde armies! Basically, my friends play GW games, and not other games. So if I moved on to other games, well, I'd not be playing them. So I'm sticking with GW games.

I have, however, slowed down in my purchases. Where in the past, when say Tyranid elites were about $30au, I'd have bought them in pairs every week until I had what I wanted. Now that they're $42au? One every couple of weeks. The price increase wasn't enough to make me give up, but it slowed me down.

Luckily my LGS sells stuff cheaper. $70au Grave Guard? He's got them for $50au still. Even new stuff is - $83au Storm of Magic book? $75au. That guy is getting my business, which gets him extra business because he stocks a lot of non GW hobby supplies, resin bases, etc. I also seek alternate models now. Reapers Wraiths, for example, are great, and $40us for 9.

Well, I got curious and added my Skaven up. Total at current retail price is "only" $525.50, but that's spending nearly 1000 points on lords and heroes.


On a more positive note, while I'm not sure what the standard point value for games of Dystopian Wars is, a 1500pt fleet costs well under $200.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:I would prrofread your own post and duly edit it first Vulcan ;}

Eh. I'm not producing a game and then organizing tournaments with some fairly expensive prizes using those quite inconsistent and poorly worded rules. I'm just a slacker with a computer.

Just to add further to the discussion personally regarding price comparisons between GW and PP, I’ve found it easier to find good deals on PP products than it is for GW products. In my personal experience GW products tend to hover at RRP no matter where you buy them from (online or offline baring a few places like Maelstrom and Wayland) whereas PP products can differ quite a bit depending on where you buy. A couple of months ago, Maelstrom had Bane Thralls priced at £50ish whereas Wayland had them priced at £31.49. The Combat Company had Wrath priced at $35AUD whereas Defiant Gaming had it priced at $30AUD.

Pacific wrote:'ignorance is bliss'

Yeah, I agree with you there, I was definitely a lot happier when I didn't know the more intimate details about how GW runs their business. Things were much more exciting when I was just starting out and buying my first few models.

Which, by the way, were still priced too high even back then. I remember telling my dad about 40k after buying Dark Crusade and I couldn't stop saying "God they're expensive...but look at those Tau tanks, those are awesome." Eventually the models won over common sense and I've hated myself ever since.

ph34r wrote:
While even in the worst throes of GW's price terribleness, most (not all, looking at you blood knights, and hey even still blood knights are significantly better sculpts than PP)

My real life reaction, as detailed below:


This is ridiculous and while I acknowledge the old adage of "to each their own", it's still pretty ridiculous

cavalry is still $5-$10 for plastic with many bits options, infantry is $3-$5 for plastic models with a huge array of bits options, and ~$50 models like the talos and wraithlord are of comparable size to warjacks but with a vastly superior range of convertability, posability, and wargear options?

I have no comment on the Warmahordes rules as I don't play it, but hear the rules are well made and competitive.

Then you obviously don't understand anything. I can get a unit of Catachans or Cadians, which are some the fething most gak-tacular models I have ever seen, for 30 bucks. A single 10 man unit of moronic looking monkey-hand infantry that will have little impact on the game versus paying more per model for models that will have impact on the game?

Or paying 50 bucks for a warjack which is the lynchpin of your army or for something that will support your army? PP stuff is similar in price but the price in-game gives much better value than GW.

But for models? If you are quitting GW for price related reasons as likely most people who quit are, isn't it a sort of madness to switch to PP where prices are higher?

The only thing I would agree is that the prices are individually on par, but the in-game value that PP offers is MUCH, much better than GW and even you should realize this.

Sidstyler wrote:I was thinking about getting 9 each of the venoms and raiders so I'd be able to spam either one of them if I wanted. It's almost $600 just for that alone.

If you want to have a good army, or at least be able to field more than one build, it costs a fething fortune.

My Mech DE army, 1850p, cost me $450, plus another $30 for two characters that I added when I changed the list. I got the codex from a friend but that would have been another $25 or so.

ph34r wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:I was thinking about getting 9 each of the venoms and raiders so I'd be able to spam either one of them if I wanted. It's almost $600 just for that alone.

If you want to have a good army, or at least be able to field more than one build, it costs a fething fortune.

My Mech DE army, 1850p, cost me $450, plus another $30 for two characters that I added when I changed the list. I got the codex from a friend but that would have been another $33or so.

Fixed that for you. When did you buy that DE army? Are you including the current price hikes, and is that at retail price?

Still, the average Warmachine army is less than 2/3s that price, and other games like Infinity and Malifaux are even cheaper.

Vladsimpaler wrote:This is ridiculous and while I acknowledge the old adage of "to each their own", it's still pretty ridiculous

I would call you a troll but I don't think you actually are, I think you just have zero artistic skills. I mean really, PP's cavalry look like they were sculpted by a 10 year old. They have zero fine detail and the models are blobby as all hell.

Vladsimpaler wrote:Then you obviously don't understand anything. I can get a unit of Catachans or Cadians, which are some the fething most gak-tacular models I have ever seen, for 30 bucks. A single 10 man unit of moronic looking monkey-hand infantry that will have little impact on the game versus paying more per model for models that will have impact on the game?

Mod Edit: Language.

Vladsimpaler wrote:The only thing I would agree is that the prices are individually on par, but the in-game value that PP offers is MUCH, much better than GW and even you should realize this.

Ahh, so by artificially inflating the in game worth of every model in an entire range, it excuses the cost of the $10 basic infantry model with zero posing options.

Your logic is like me saying "GW models should cost twice as much as they do now because you can use them in Necromunda, and in Necromunda you need less than a dozen models, so each one is more valuable".

Your argument sucks so hard.


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RatBot wrote:Fixed that for you. When did you buy that DE army? Are you including the current price hikes, and is that at retail price?

Still, the average Warmachine army is less than 2/3s that price, and other games like Infinity and Malifaux are even cheaper.

I bought it right when the battleforces and venoms came out, so a couple weeks ago. And no, I got it at a standard store discount.

If you want an "average" 40k army, you can just pick up a 1000 point army. Sure, the "average" WM army is probably still half as expensive, but you get much less than half the models, and about 10% as many unit options, posing options, etc.

What's with the argument? Even after the OP has said he would like the subject on topic, there is still the abject retardation of the "gw vs PP price/value" argument. I was enjoying all the people posting that they were diversifying the games they played and enjoying new miniatures from new companies. It was very positive, then some people seem to think that other people have to justify their arguments for buying miniatures to them, and things degenerated into internet pillow( biter?) fights. If you can't handle people saying they enjoy a new system or a new range of models, go buy a few kilos of GW sand, put it in a bucket, stick your head in it, and slowly asphyxiate yourself (probably whilst telling yourself you were getting great value for money).

ph34r wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:This is ridiculous and while I acknowledge the old adage of "to each their own", it's still pretty ridiculous

I would call you a troll but I don't think you actually are, I think you just have zero artistic skills. I mean really, PP's cavalry look like they were sculpted by a 10 year old. They have zero fine detail and the models are blobby as all hell.

Mod Edit: No.

Vladsimpaler wrote:Then you obviously don't understand anything. I can get a unit of Catachans or Cadians, which are some the fething most gak-tacular models I have ever seen, for 30 bucks. A single 10 man unit of moronic looking monkey-hand infantry that will have little impact on the game versus paying more per model for models that will have impact on the game?

You just went full slow.

I don't think you fully comprehend how not mad I am

Vladsimpaler wrote:The only thing I would agree is that the prices are individually on par, but the in-game value that PP offers is MUCH, much better than GW and even you should realize this.

Ahh, so by artificially inflating the in game worth of every model in an entire range, it excuses the cost of the $10 basic infantry model with zero posing options.

Your logic is like me saying "GW models should cost twice as much as they do now because you can use them in Necromunda, and in Necromunda you need less than a dozen models, so each one is more valuable".

Your argument sucks so hard.

Mod Edit: No.

In Warmahordes and Necromunda, each model is more valuable (in-game). I even said above that the prices for the companies are on-par but the in-game value is different and for a lot of people, this actually influences their purchases. You might've read over that as you went to personally attack me. Or you're just being intentionally obtuse, which I assume you aren't. (Out of my good-will)

ITT: A try-hard troll fights back his nerd tears and tells me that I "went full-slow".

I don't think I will ever understand the kind of rabid, vitriolic, hate games sometimes get.
This thread has degraded into irrational argments and an illustration of what holds us back as a wargamer community rather than how individuals have grown and expanded.
I plea to you guys to please keep it civil so this positive thread about growth doesn't get locked. It's way too cool to see go.

semi on topic: anyone know how much an effective medium/elite infinity force costs? I've been thinking of getting in, but those low points grunts don't really appeal to me as much as the more characterful sculpts. If my army is only 10 models I want to love all of their sculpts.

How about Mantic, then? They make some really great multi-part plastic kits and you get 20 plastic infantry for $25.Well, their elves are fairly mediocre, but their other ranges are quite excellent.

2000 point armies tend to cost slightly to significantly less than GW armies, and you get gakloads of miniatures.

The Dwarf Iron Legion deal is $270 and comes with 2000 points, 180 minis, and the rules.


EDIT: Lawl, more posts while I was researching this one because I don't play Mantic games (yet!). People really should calm down. I will certainly concede that Warmahorde armies consist of fewer minis that a less customizable than GW minis. If that's important to you then that's something you'll have to factor in. But, as I said above, Mantic provides a massive number of customizable multi-part plastic minis for significantly less than GW's prices. The Orcs and Abyssal Dwarfs are admittedly not quite as good a deal, but it looks like a lot of them are hybrid models.

Mod Edit: No.

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Please chaps
am assuming the Mods are all tucked up in their beds dreaming of electric sheep

Bullockist wrote: I was enjoying all the people posting that they were diversifying the games they played and enjoying new miniatures from new companies. It was very positive, then some people seem to think that other people have to justify their arguments for buying miniatures to them

may we return to positive musings and leave the tit for tat aside
thanks

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Please chaps
am assuming the Mods are all tucked up in their beds dreaming of electric sheep

Bullockist wrote: I was enjoying all the people posting that they were diversifying the games they played and enjoying new miniatures from new companies. It was very positive, then some people seem to think that other people have to justify their arguments for buying miniatures to them

may we return to positive musings and leave the tit for tat aside
thanks

On the flip side, while to one person it may seem like fresh happy declarations of freedom from the evil GW overlords, another person may in fact not be jive with the constant complaining about prices while switching over to a not less expensive game.

Dais wrote:I don't think I will ever understand the kind of rabid, vitriolic, hate games sometimes get.
This thread has degraded into irrational argments and an illustration of what holds us back as a wargamer community rather than how individuals have grown and expanded.
I plea to you guys to please keep it civil so this positive thread about growth doesn't get locked. It's way too cool to see go.

semi on topic: anyone know how much an effective medium/elite infinity force costs? I've been thinking of getting in, but those low points grunts don't really appeal to me as much as the more characterful sculpts. If my army is only 10 models I want to love all of their sculpts.

To your first point, well, that's what the anonymity of the internet gets you. I noticed ph34r hadn't posted anything in these discussion before now. Oh well. The next thing you know, we'll all be getting lectures on how those dirty Australians should just pay full retail price for their GW products, since they make so much more than everyone else.

To your second point, I'm not that knowledgeable on the rules themselves, but if I think I know of the game is correct, it might work. Grunts are always good for generating orders, and for dying before you cool elites/medium troops do. And, since the mediums/elites cost more in-game, you may be outnumbered by the other players who favor grunts in their forces.

Oh! And how could I forget. I went to Historicon last weekend for a day. I had a blast, and I plan on buying the 4-day pass next year as soon as it's available. I picked up a pair of mechs for Battletech - a Rifleman and a Warhammer. The plastic injected mechs in the intro set are nice (especially after a bit of cleanup work), but nothing beats the feeling of nice, solid metal. I also got a couple of sprues in my complimentary bag - a Mahdist Command sprue from Perry Miniatures, and a Roman Praetorian Guard spure from Warlord Games. Now, when I get further into historical games, I'll definitely favor 15/6mm figures for actual play. But basing a painting these models will be awesome!

Historicon also inspired me to get my Flames of War British and Germans painted, as well as making me take the first steps toward a couple of Field of Glory armies (again, there's that darned 15mm vs. 6mm arguement!)

I continue to play 40k, but mainly am building and painting the stuff I already have, and buying up used pieces from people when the price is right and I have a couple extra bucks.

Being summertime, I have about a million other things to do, fish, hunt for gold, garden, yard work, etc.

Will I buy new stuff from GW? nope.

Will I support my local game store? Absolutely, they sell dice, and snacks, and all kinds of non GW product that is useful.

This argument was thrashed out elsewhere not so long ago as I recall
It would be a better arena for the gladiatoral combat than this thread.
I don't wish to start yet another disagreement and derail the thread further.

So again will ask politely
please may we get back to discussing what we are now playing/collecting

Edit: apologies to the posts above that are back on track
ya ninj'd me

ph34r wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Please chaps
am assuming the Mods are all tucked up in their beds dreaming of electric sheep

Bullockist wrote: I was enjoying all the people posting that they were diversifying the games they played and enjoying new miniatures from new companies. It was very positive, then some people seem to think that other people have to justify their arguments for buying miniatures to them

may we return to positive musings and leave the tit for tat aside
thanks

On the flip side, while to one person it may seem like fresh happy declarations of freedom from the evil GW overlords, another person may in fact not be jive with the constant complaining about prices while switching over to a not less expensive game.

Original post is about people who thought they would not buy GW
anymore. The question is open to people saying whether or not they are
continuing to avoid GW or whatnot. While some of the responses have to do
with prices, the thread is not about that. Please stay on topic.

Yes, back on track. In addition to Warmahordes and Dystopian Wars, I think I'd like to add one or two more games to my repertoire. The hard part is picking which one, as there's like 14 that interest me.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:This argument was thrashed out elsewhere not so long ago as I recall
It would be a better arena for the gladiatoral combat than this thread.
I don't wish to start yet another disagreement and derail the thread further.

So again will ask politely
please may we get back to discussing what we are now playing/collecting

I've been collecting children with handles welded to them...easier to carry.

In all serious though, I believe I'm going to just stick to painting for a bit ( after Praetorians are done)...just paint up a huge zombie horde for the fun of it.

I've been away from GW since the Trygon release as those were my last purchased models. I doubt I'll go back any time soon since WHFB has dried up almost completely and my 40k army (Tyranids) are hilariously bad overall.

I've recently picked up Warmachine alongside a few of my friends. I wouldn't say one game is leagues better than the other, but so far I'm enjoying myself and I like painting the models so it works out. One of these days I'll check out Malifaux as well.

ph34r wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Please chaps
am assuming the Mods are all tucked up in their beds dreaming of electric sheep

Bullockist wrote: I was enjoying all the people posting that they were diversifying the games they played and enjoying new miniatures from new companies. It was very positive, then some people seem to think that other people have to justify their arguments for buying miniatures to them

may we return to positive musings and leave the tit for tat aside
thanks

On the flip side, while to one person it may seem like fresh happy declarations of freedom from the evil GW overlords, another person may in fact not be jive with the constant complaining about prices while switching over to a not less expensive game.

Some people just want a valid army to play and to them it is because they don't need to collect as many models. Others who buy just to collect or paint see the prices from a price/model point of view and so it is more or less equal. People need to understand that both points of view are valid. Neither is wrong or better than the other. It all depends on your needs that's all.

OT: Basically before the GW fiasco, I never even looked at other alternatives because I thought their background and fluff was not as good or thought out as warhammer etc. But after getting into Infinity and Warmachine I realised how wrong I was. Definitely in no rush to go back to GW now. I'm happy where I am with other gaming systems.

RatBot wrote:Yes, back on track. In addition to Warmahordes and Dystopian Wars, I think I'd like to add one or two more games to my repertoire. The hard part is picking which one, as there's like 14 that interest me.

Tell me about it.

Right now my playable games are -

Warhammer 40k
Warmachine
Flames of War

What I want to play:
Infinity
Dystopian Wars
Malifaux (although I think I'm switching Warmachine for Malifaux in the near future)
Some sort of Ancients Historical Wargame (FoG/WMA)
Polemos Napoleonics
Epic Armageddon
Battlefleet Gothic

So many games, so little money

Infinity shouldn't cost so much. Where it gets you is getting the
right amount of terrain set up.

Very true. I think paper terrain would be my best bet - there's plenty of free stuff all over the internet. I would just need to find a nice color printer that I could suck dry.

I also think Malifaux is in the exact same vein. I dunno, but I feel as if my attitude towards 28mm games is changing - I'd much rather leave the 'big battle' games to smaller scales, and use 28mm for skirmish sized games.

I've been collecting children with handles welded to them...easier to carry.

Yeah but don't leave them squashed in a foam lined box in the trunk of the car or on the dashboard just to see if they melt!

I am also trying to finish things before buying new
inevitably end up getting distracted

Like Ratbot said there are so many interesting systems
I don't really play that much so I can discipline my spending but being more of a modeller it is harder to resist the minis
Could quite easily buy the entire Red Box range if I wasn't careful

Heh, the ones I'm looking at are:

Anima Tactics
Kings of War
Warpath
Brushfire
Relics
Cutlass
Malifaux
Infinity
BattleTech
Uncharted Seas
Firestorm Armada
Dark Age
Hell Dorado
Wargods of Aegyptus


And historicals. So many historicals. I might even be willing to play Warhammer Historicals because historical miniatures are plentiful and cheap.

Hell, I'm even mulling over perhaps designing my own rule set, but really, I'm sure most long-time wargamers have thought about doing this at some point.

Could always scratch some Infinity terrain Infinite

Know exactly how you feel about the games/time cash ratio btw

Well, slap me silly and call me Shirely !*

I completely forgot that I had picked up the Battletech 25th Anniversary Edition boxset. So I guess that puts Battletech in my 'ready to play' category. The boxset really is great, though. Enough mechs for plenty of variety in games and some fantastic Map boards. Really, all you need is Skunkwerks and you'll have everything you'll ever need.

As for 'historicals' and 'cheap', I'd recommend Warmaster Ancients and Baccus 6mm.

*Please, don't.

I think at some point, you have to decide to merely collect
some miniatures and play with others. I just can't imagine having
the time for much of that list.

Oh yea, and I play Malifaux. Awesome skirmish game, lots of fun.

I'm somewhat ambivalent toward 6mm gaming, dunno why. I guess I feel a lot of 6mm minis don't have a lot of character. I'd play a 6mm game that included some larger elements. I had always been interested in Epic since it includes lots of vehicles and a few Titans, but, well, now...

I'm always open to suggestions. And I'd certainly be willing to play a 6mm game, I just don't think there are any I'd go out of my way to start unprompted.


EDIT: I actually have the BattleTech boxed set from yeeeears ago (I actually got it before I started playing 40K, which was a bit after 3rd edition came out), but I don't have it here (recently moved). I even have a few pewter mechs. Might pick up the new 25th anniversary set when they make and distribute more.

I'm also a glacially slow painter, usually because I find it daunting, but then when I do it I enjoy it. I'm not really one to buy minis just to paint them. I'm a gamer first, modeller/painter second, I suppose, but I do love well-painted miniatures.

May we slap Shirley and call you silly then?

I like the Ganesha Games Songs of Blades and Heroes rule sets as you can use the minis you already have or adapt rules for a nice sculpt if you want. Have even seen Lego figures used

Have the Napoleonics version Songs of Drums and Shakos as well which I forgot to mention earlier. Not yet tried it out.

Also have Mutants and Death Ray guns

https://www.baccus6mm.com/

Take a look around. The models Peter makes are absolutely fantastic - just look at those Romans! - and he sells army packs for games like DBA, FoG, and WMA.

As for Epic, well, I know how you feel. I suppose the fact that GW ignores its specialist games could give us some leeway. And, of course, picking up a full sized army on eBay for dirt cheap is always a plus!

Ah, Specialist Games. I've played all of 'em except Epic, Warmaster and War of the Ring, actually. So, so good. Necromunda is probably my favorite, followed very closely by BFG. It's a shame GW hates them almost as much as they hate their customers.

Happily, Infinity looks like a fine substitute for Necromunda, albeit without the semi-RPG elements Necromunda had, and Firestorm Armada would do nicely in place of BFG.

Browsing over Baccus now, I recall that the owner of one of the FLGS from back home recommended DBA.


EDIT: Hmm, these are actually quite nice. The thought of painting them terrifies me, but they're pretty interesting.

Hail Caesar by Warlord Games. Fun, flexible mass-battle system. It's written for Ancients, but might work well for Fantasy battles also. Been busy giving my money to Architects of War (Musketeer Miniatures, Perry Miniatures, Warlord Games), Miniature Design Studio and Warweb (Crusader).

Im going for a tournament at the end of summer then im finishing my dark elves and if by then i have found a new game and a place to play it then i will move on.

I walked away from Fantasy right after 8th edition came out. The only GW game that interests me at all is War of the Ring, and they haven't done anything with it for a while.

I have returned to historicals. Black Powder is fun and flexible and doesn't involve points. Many manufacturers are making nice plastic 28mm historicals- and their prices, well, let me just say that as much as I like WotR, I can't imagine paying the retail price for a GW miniature ever again.

Thats an interesting side topic for the thread, and I wish I had put it directly into the original question: What systems / games are people "thinking" of jumping into.

Coming away from GW, I did look at Privateer Press, but something about it just didn't stick. But the systems that really have my eye right now:

Malifaux
Urban War
Darkage
Warpath (I guess)

That's in addition to actively collecting for:

Anima Tactics
Infinity
Sedition Wars

Add to that all the special "one off" buys while slipping through Coolminiornot and sites similar, it all adds up.

In the end, I guess I'll need to make a decision to fix on one or two main games, and in terms of collecting, shop pretty and only purchase the minis that are really pressing my buttons.

That's one thing I'd say for GW and THE Hobby, although the costs are bizarre, it gave your spending some focus....my current "stance" is in fact costing me more than if I stayed with GW.....

Well, currently playing:
Hordes
40K
Fantasy
Want to start playing:
KoW
Historicals (Of some description, maybe WAB)
Warpath? (maybe)
Infinity (maybe)
Uncharted Seas

Well, the great thing about GW is that I learned assembly
line painting from...dakka users. I never learned it from GW
directly, but I learned it in order to play their games.

Well not much of my spending has hit the GW coffers since they invoked the insanity. I spent a chunk of money to buy a nice airbrush and will probably be spending more in the upcoming weeks to buy support materials for said airbrush. Will be using the brush to get all fancy on my very old Eldar crescent tanks, as well as starting 2D airbrush art and some old anime resin pieces I’ve got. I bought a Finecast Lelith, that’s it, although I do want a FW Avatar and almost-so f’ning close-bought one.

I want to get back into HeavyGear, I think blitz is the most recent incarnation. I really loved the HG world as presented in the 1rst edition books. Blitz is a smaller scale than the old minis I currently have so it’s gonna be a rebuy. I pretty much have to buy 2 armies too because none of my friends, and no one I know in my area plays. But whatever, I like the little guys.

Also talked with some friends about Infinity. I’ve always been a PanOceanic fanguy. Loved their big Cutters and a lot of their models appeal to me. Right now the guys have the rules and are proxying the models. Buying will ensue sometime soon.

Some Anima Tactics models and a couple of Cryx Bane Knights have made their way onto the painting table. AT minis have such character and life, I like about 5 out of every 6 in their line. Bane Knights are just badass from head to toe, I’d proxy them for necron warriors if I had like 30 more.

That’s it on my front.

-MightyG

Have

Anima Tactics
Mostly Church and Samael with a fair few to finish.
Need to get my Sammies a leader and there is a weird summoner dude I fancy

Ganesha Games:
Songs of Blades and Heroes
Songs of Drums and Shakos (not played no models )
Fear and Faith
Kooky Teenage Monster Hunters (Not played yet)
Mutants and Death Ray Guns

Am making some Steampunky figures for Fear and Faith and some Mutants
All other figures are being proxied from what we got.
Anima Tactics as Vamps for example
I love the fact we can use whatever to play and can generate our own stats if needs be.

Am seriously thinking of getting
Relics
cos we love stitchpunk soldiers and the scawwy faeries!
Freebooters Fate
Pirates and a totally different game play

Would like to get but will never have the time/money
Malifaux
Infinity
Super Dungeon Explore
Dark Ages
Cutlass
the list goes on

Back playing board games for a while (Memoir44 especially). Painting some Everblight. Basically stopped playing GW games for the time being - just a bad taste in my mouth after all the recent policy changes. Stopped buy GW except for models to paint and may get some of their scenery pieces.

I plan on going away to start malifaux but i cant find anyone/anywhere to play it.

haloreach4ever wrote:I plan on going away to start malifaux but i cant find anyone/anywhere to play it.

Where's here? We have a group starting in the Midlands....I'm Arcanist, and we have a confirmed Neverborn!

Manchester, i have rasputina and a few other guys.

Ouch, Manchester is a long drive for a Game of Malifaux....tempted though

I should probably contribute something apropos to the original post.

Well, I've not jumped ship. I still love the 40K universe, and still love a lot of the models GW produce, but I feel like my buying from them is drawing to a close, or at least coming to a greatly slowed rate.

In the last few months I have started playing Warmachine and Dystopian Wars. I'll probably not branch out much further, as the gameplay is actually less important to me. I'm all about the miniatures. I imagine that, soon, the majority of my purchasing will be one off miniatures for use in roleplaying games.

I've bought $40 of stuff. The magic deck and templates for storm of magic. That's been it for my GW purchases. Bought lots of Menoth, a little Skorne and going to be getting more Menoth soon. Also been digging through ebay for old chainmail miniatures, god I love those. Played 1 game of Fantasy and a ton of Warmahordes.

Still playin. I didn't really "buy" a ton, just splurge every few months. The price hike was steep, but I feel everyone else is doing the work for me So I still buy once in a while, but play heavily

There will always be the baby's about prices and quitters, I'm 16 (2 months shy of 17), And I can still afford 40k. I'm a die hard. I won't simply quit because of a price hike...pfft. thats just really idiotic if you ask me. (You dont need to buy more models, just stick with the ones you got and keep playing fantasy or 40k) dont go and have a huge sike because of prices being raised....


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There is such a thing called 2nd hand...and Ebay..and for us Kiwi's TRADME!

Rogueyopants wrote:There will always be the baby's about prices and quitters, I'm 16 (2 months shy of 17), And I can still afford 40k. I'm a die hard. I won't simply quit because of a price hike...pfft. thats just really idiotic if you ask me. (You dont need to buy more models, just stick with the ones you got and keep playing fantasy or 40k) dont go and have a huge sike because of prices being raised....

People didn't change or try new game systems just because of
prices. Price, gameplay, business decisions, and product quality were
all concerns. People weren't getting value for their minis or they saw
value in other companies. Walking into a thread to call everyone
"babies" isn't really a good way to get along, especially when you
don't understand what's happening.

I've put my money and time into Kings of War, loving every minute of it!

I keep looking at my GW stuff and thinking 'I ought to sell this', rather than 'I ought to get of my fat @55 and finish this'

If I can get a better job then I'm thinking seriously about Malifaux too...

Rogueyopants wrote:There will always be the baby's about prices and quitters, I'm 16 (2 months shy of 17), And I can still afford 40k. I'm a die hard. I won't simply quit because of a price hike...pfft. thats just really idiotic if you ask me. (You dont need to buy more models, just stick with the ones you got and keep playing fantasy or 40k) dont go and have a huge sike because of prices being raised....


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You're 16 (2 months shy of 17), sorry "mate", but you have no concept of the "real world". I'm glad you can still afford 40K, but you will soon learn that indulgence in a fantasy world is exactly that....an indulgence. When you grow up, and have bills to pay, a relationship with a real woman, and are maybe....maybe....able to father children, you'll realise just how much of an indulgence spending on a fantasy world is.

Don't get me wrong, we all have the choice to partake of a hobby or not.....but those "babies" as you call them, need to weigh up wether buying that Landraider is more important then buying one of the other million things that pull at an adults finances. People are complaining, amongst other things, about GW not seeming to realise that the product it sells isn't a necessity, and people are amazed at the audacity of GW to demand a year on year increase in prices in spite of where their product will fall in many peoples list of priorities.

You sir, are the target audience for GW, so it's no surprise you feel the way you do. The only thing you probably have to worry about is what colour to paint your next Forge-World tank.....awesome! I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that you do pay for your own hobby, if you don't you have even less right to make the statements you have made....

Like I said, when you grow up, you may change your tune.....on the flip side, you might be one of "those" people for whom WH40K is "reality" and you may forego a relationship with a woman (or man, depending on your frame of mind), ignore paying the bills, and continue to be a "die hard" and give GW all your....wealth.....either way, good luck with that!

Rogueyopants-

Being unable to to buy the models is a very small reason peope leave. I'm sure the majority of people on Dakka (they have a pc and electricity after all) could buy a GW army if they really desired. The point is while we could pay their over the top prices we don't feel we should. GW aren't the only company out there and they aren't even the best.

Personally the cost is irelevant. If 40k was my favourite game (wargaming being my main hobby) I would pay double what they charge (or higher) if it was the only way I could play. However GWs bad treatment of it's customers and obvious lack of interest in maintaining the game at a decent level have really lowered my interests. I just don't enjoy it as much.

I have taken a two teared approach.

First off I STARTED a new army. Pre Heresy Thousands Sons. I just couldn't resist the call of a new hobby challenge. I did buy many parts from supporting companies such as Scibor, Kromlech, and Chapterhouse. Looking back I think these other companies may have gotten the bulk of my hobby dollars.

What the price increse did do is make me look else where. I actually started hobbying with various space ship models. That is where I cut my teeth. So I have just ordered the rule book for Firestorm Armada and some starter fleets are in my future. Besides the obvious appeal of friggin space combat with gigantic ships the low cost and quick game length drew me in. Now if I can find a tournament scene to get into, or make one up myself then I will be golden.

Future plans for me will be to take a look at the Necrons when they come out. If the still appeal then maybe I'll bite. I can tell you I already sold my Daemon army, Sisters of Battle and Tyranids. It looks like Dark Eldar are going that way too.

It looks like I will be straying away from GW more then I would have but they still will be in the back of my mind like that girl who was great in bed but just impossible to live with. But you bet I still remember her number!

I haven't touched a GW model since I vowed I wouldn't. I now have two 50 point Warmachine armies that I didn't at the start of the summer, and I couldn't be happier.

4M2A wrote:Rogueyopants-

Being unable to to buy the models is a very small reason peope leave. I'm sure the majority of people on Dakka (they have a pc and electricity after all) could buy a GW army if they really desired.

Not strictly true. The new 'RoW trade embargo' will have effectively killed the hobby for any ex-pats living in Asia who don't have an official GW store in their country (anywhere other than Japan or China effectively). IMO it's snuffed out any chance of the hobby growing in these regions, as before a lot of locals have been brought into the game through gaming with ex-pats (who used the likes of Wayland and Maelstrom for their orders).

You can still buy from GW I suppose via mail order, but again it's the whole "200% more expensive than anywhere else" problem, far beyond the cut off price for most people, currently being experienced by Australians and New Zealanders.

4M2A is spot on. I'm quite sure most of us could afford to buy GW armies even with their price increase (well, maybe not Aussies). But it's a matter of principle. GW clearly does not respect its customers.

There's a saying "you attract more flies with honey than vinegar." In this case that means communication with customers, letting us know what's coming, offering deals, and listening to feedback. GW does none of these things. Damn near every other company does. Corvus Belli, Mantic, and other companies all give the impression that they care about their games, appreciate their customers, and want to create excellent games. GW has made it clear that all they want is money and don't care about any of those things.

GW has made it quite clear that to them, customers are walking wallets, to be drained of cash and discarded. Other companies are actually interested in repeat business and customer loyalty.

And even if price was the only issue, look at it this way; a competitive army from GW will run you $600 USD or more. Other companies? A full Infinity force is $100 or so. Warmachine and Hordes run 200 to 300. Dystopian Wars is, what, $150 or so? These may contain less models than a GW army, but what about an an army from Mantic which will have around as many? $300.

And consider that Australians pay something like 60% more for GW products... So now a full GW army is more than $950 AUD, but they're going to pay roughly US prices for any other system.

I have not bought another GW model or rule book. Looked into Malifaux and got the rule book and some test games in. I am liking it. Gw gave me a little mahogany with the Sisters codex, then Lorania Bobit'd me with the White Dwarf Been happily spening my gaming cash on non GW.

Ratbot, it's the fact that GW does not acknowledge any competition in the market that leads them to go on as they do though. If you look at other companies who have enjoyed a monopoly then it's possible to draw comparisons to their behaviour.

Rick Priestly said this during that radio interview he gave when he left GW, and it's the reason the customer base is just being fed regurgitated rules and background on a 3 or 4 yearly cycle (for the most part), with the odd new model or piece of artwork thrown in. And if we honestly look at 40k, fans have been essentially playing the same game for the past 15 years, with a few tweaks of the rules which make the game play slightly differently. I think it's the reason that so many veterans, when playing outside of GW's games for the first time, have had such a positive reaction to the likes of Infinity and Warmachines - it offers something new and dynamic, a new experience, rather than the stagnation of you and your mate setting up 24" apart and rolling to see who goes first. When I played Infinity for the first few times it felt like such a wonderfully fresh experience - it reminded me of the times when I was a child and first picked up GW's own games, but repetition of the same thing had made me slightly listless even without fully realising why, and my gaming hobby had suffered because of it.

Although GW are still the biggest company in the field, the situation is changing and while I can't see anyone eclipsing them, they will at least be eating into the companies profits. More and more FLGS are featuring other games as their premier system, and the effect will act like an epidemic as more and more gamers play other system and in turn pass on their experiences to other players.

At the moment I think GW don't feel the need to break any new ground because financially such a thing would be expensive. Even the R&D department of the company has been reduced, and we are left with a slow dribble of material that just writes the same thing in a different way (with a good bit of copy of copy and paste), and with the exception of DE a handful of new kits with each release. Maybe the encroaching battle with other companies will force GW to get its ass into gear - start making use of their wonderful IP and years of experience, and give us some new challenges and experiences. I read that Mantic's Dwarf King's Hold sold out of it's initial run of 100,000 copies. There is still a massive market for board games, so why not make use of some of their previous releases? Let the games designers exercise their talent and make something new out of the IP?

I think all in all it can only be a good thing for the wargaming and modelling hobby, and maybe finally the company that did so much to introduce people to this pastime can come back to it's old stomping ground and help pull back some of the customers they have lost.

Rogueyopants wrote:There will always be the baby's about prices and quitters, I'm 16 (2 months shy of 17), And I can still afford 40k. I'm a die hard. I won't simply quit because of a price hike...pfft. thats just really idiotic if you ask me. (You dont need to buy more models, just stick with the ones you got and keep playing fantasy or 40k) dont go and have a huge sike because of prices being raised....

The only "baby" thus far is you. Many of the folks in this thread have been playing LONGER then you have been alive, including myself. Prices are only one component of the whole package. PP's prices arent cheap for example, but I get much more value for my dollars then GW.....A warjack/warbeast or unit is still useful, with just changing the caster......

There is such a thing called 2nd hand...and Ebay..and for us Kiwi's TRADME!

Yes yes, some of use ARE aware of the various options. In fact some of us have been doing so over half your age....


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Pacific wrote: And if we honestly look at 40k, fans have been essentially playing the same game for the past 15 years, with a few tweaks of the rules which make the game play slightly differently.

Small quibble-More like 10 years. Rogue trader and 2nd edition were very different from each other, and 2nd ed was different in many ways from 3rd on folward. From 3rd to 5th current is more like the same game with different tweeks. 2nd was more different- in fact more like necromunda.

Well, since I only swore off "Finecast" I've been true to my word. I found a metal Ikit Claw at my FLGS, and I'll stick to plastic models (and converting out of plastics) for my Ogre Kingdoms army, as I'll have to buy more stuff for them when the new book comes out (stupid G.W., dropping point costs and releasing amazing new minis).

...But since I'm a big fan of metal I've been plunking my few hobby dollars into Infinity and Anima: Tactics lately. Gotta love skirmish games. You can totally shake the game up for $10-20!

As far as playing games goes, however, I've been playing a ton of Warmachine. In fact, I've only played a single game of WHFB in the last few months. I'm looking at Infinity (just finished 300 points of Yu-Jing, and my friend is starting Haqqislam soonish) to fill the sci-fi void 40k has left. I just haven't been enjoying the game this edition. It's pretty easy to swear off a game you don't enjoy, I guess.

Since I stopped purchasing miniatures from GW I started scratch building and buying from small miniature companies such as MaxMini and Blight Wheel. The quality of their products are far above those of GW and so far nothing on my buy list is from GW. I will be buying a Dust Tactics game soon and will expand the axis army into a large Dust Warfare force (although like WH40k I do not intend to play Dust Warfare much if I do at all) and will probably purchase an army from Mantic's new Sci-Fi game if they produce a faction the interests me any time soon.

I will probably buy from GW again in the future, I still look at the Valdor Tank Hunter from FW and think it would so much fun to paint, but aside from the odd FW tank I do not plan to buy anything, never mind any new army they try to push.

So far I picked up the Battletech new box. The models aren't as great as the metal one, but the OK and the price and maps are great.

But most my money gone to Infinity, couldn't decide on one frce so I got 3. As soon, as my Lizard get here they all be 300+ point to choose from. Plus I been slowly adding to my Anima Tactics and Dust Tactics. Here hoping Andy Chambers dose a good jobwith Dust Warfare, I really like Tactic but TT rules.....

just started playing 40k... put in some more money for my army last week... will buy more this week (paints etc)

Crusher050 wrote:just started playing 40k... put in some more money for my army last week... will buy more this week (paints etc)

The great GW non-Exodus thread is that a way ---------------------------->



Two weeks ago I picked up the Cryx Battlebox and pSkarre so I have something to use until I send for my Cygnar from back home. Played three 15 point games on Sunday proxying Deneghra as a Warwitch Siren. Beat two Ret armies in a close fight, got demolished by a Skorne. Quite a blast. Unfortunately the store only has an official Warmachine day once a month, but people manage to arrange a game or two during the week, it seems. Looking forward to expanding my Warmachine forces. I still really want to try Malifaux so once I've finished my Warmachine stuff, I'm going to ask around the shop and see how many people, if any, play it.

I've been playing Infinity every game night (Tuesday) for the past couple of months, and have been loving it. Really enjoying the depth of the game and the tactics. I am a little ambivalent about my piles of 40K minis that I've barely looked at since Finecast was released though... not sure whether to sell them or just box them up and see if my enthusiasm comes back.

Ha! Did someone ressurect this thread?

Let's see... Battletech figures are waiting to get painted, as well are my Flames of War Brits and Germans.

I picked up a copy of Black Powder, and I'm currently wrestling with my interests - 6mm for sure, but dare I pick up Napoleonics or ACW first?

And I'm inching ever closer to getting my two 1000 point Epic: Armageddon armies done, without a single penny in GW's coffers.

Since this thread has not been banished to the Void yet, I'll contribute. Been getting into Hordes alot and massing several casters and armies for Skorne. Overall really enjoying the feel of the game more so than 40k. When Domination releases, that is when my bank is really going to get a good kick. Greatly so if the Necron update turns into another money grab concept from GW.

Whilst not being a *nerd ragequit* guy essentially, I have actually greatly reduced my GW spending, only buying stuff I need.

The result.

Lets see, around 500 dollars this month alone extra cash. I've been painting my prior purchases and aiming to get my forgeworld medusa, sentinal powerlifter and thunderbolt together.

I had to explain why I left to one of my friends who I led into GW. He is quite upset, just simply because he feels that I've sold out.

"Sold out"?

I would say to your friend: "You keep using that word. But I do not think it means what you think it means."

My exodus continues to go well. I bought a PS3 rather than heaps of new models, and I'm loving it.

I've moved to Afghanistan where there are no stores carrying GW products.

niceguyteddy wrote:I've moved to Afghanistan where there are no stores carrying GW products.

Ah c'mon! GW isn't bad enough to force you to move to Afghanistan.

Bit of an extreme reaction IMO, even for me!

Greatly reduced my GW spending. In fact...I can't remember the last time I perrrr-chased some GW.

All my latest purchases have been on Infinity and Malifaux...oh and Flames of War.

To be honest, I've brought more since stopping GW but with other companies...and also not painting as much :(

Greatly reduced my GW spending.

I've discovered Vallejo paints.
I've bought some more Infinity.

I learned that it is possible to get the rules online (eventually).

About the time the price hike and other nonsense went into effect a few of the guys in my gaming group also expanded into WarmaHordes and I'm siting at about 32-33 points worth of stuff that I'm in the midst of preparing to paint.
Yes, I still play 40K and I have enough GW product in the form of Guard and Orks (with a handful of Marines) to get through that I can probably paint for another 6-12 months without ever needing to buy from them again. As for paints I long since expanded into other ranges so it's no loss there either. Could GW win me back, sure but they're not likely to because I don't see them changing their marketing strategy.

As far as the price difference between individual models in the PP vs GW range, sure, they're almost the same in terms of cost although PP comes in a bit cheaper. More importantly the overall cost of an army is way lower. I've spent around $200 on my Hordes stuff and don't ever need to buy another model if I don't want to. In contrast I've probably spent at least $600 on my incomplete IG force - which will probably never get finished the way I'd planned. As an added bonus the ruleset for warmahordes is better written, considerably so. Right now PP is doing more to earn my money so that's what I go with.

I haven't purchaced anything in a GW store since I quit working there a few years ago. Then they closed the store one of the oldest GW stores in North America (Vancouver BC) and closed down most of the other stores except for one on the Island and one on West Vancouver ( The VERY rich part of town, some of the most expensive realestate in the world).


I sold all my GW stuff when I quit the store, but decided I wanted to play with a few friends so I picked up a Sister of Battle army in bits and pieces off of ebay and website trade forms. If I had bought it all retail at GW I would of been looking in the meighbourhood of $1500-$1600 for all of it. I payed around $500-$600 for it all.

I then decided that with all the crap that has gone on I decided I didn't want to support the company anymore (2nd hand or anything) so I sold all my Sisters off on here and bought a 20mm USMC army and a Saddam Fedayeen army from Elhiem miniatures to use with 'Force on Force".

All I have to say is that if you want a real 'wargame' check out force on force. The game supports real world small unit tatics, if you just move foward and shoot you will get the crap kicked out of you. Plus there are no army lists or points, the whole game is secinero driven so you just pick a period, make up your own mission or use a historical fight to recreate then go from there. The greatest thing is the game is scale indifferent, so if I want lots of tanks use 6mm, if I want a small skirmish game use 28mm, if you want a blend of the two use 15mm-20mm. The great thing about 20mm is its 1/72 scale so I can find most of the model kits around here. The absolute best thing though is that they will be releasing a rule set called 'Tommorows War' which should include such stuff as power armour, hover tanks, laser guns..... Sounds like a great rule set for 40k figgies.

No new GW purchases in the last 2 years. Including WD and codexes.
Most of my Gw bits and bobs have been sold off and I have bought 2nd hand via ebay the metal guard models I need to create my pseudo Soviet /Tsarist force.

Any remaining minis I have will be painted or converted.

I have also tried my hand at making my own scratchbuilt and sculpted minis to represent vehicles and counts as units.

I have also been playing a lot more quick skirmish level games since time has become a lot more precious.

last purchase, Cockatrice, 3 dreadnought bases. Thats last purchase from GW.

Ever was yesterday, 77 bucks for a bunch of deep ones, a cthuluion worm, a yithian and a night gaunt.

On the first day of solstice, cthulhu gave to MEEEEE!

Well...

A year and a half since my last game of 40k and I've got a few games/projects going...

Song of Blades and Heroes. (Warband size 28mm fantasy Skirmish)
After playing using rebased D&D preapaints, I just finshed my first warband of woodlanders. (see the gallery)

Full Thrust (starship combat)
Rarely play this so I have a small fleet of scratchbuilt starships about 1/3 of the way painted

Warstelands (Warband size Post Apoc 28mm)
Scavenger, Trooper and Cultist warbands finshed, along with a couple of post apoc vehicles. I have Salvage crew and biker warbands waiting for paint

Mech Attack and Future War Commander (10mm Sci-Fi. MA for skirmish and FWC for larger battles)
I've got about 80 Mechwarrior clix units (mechs, vehicles and infantry) that I've rebased for the two rulesets above.

WarEngine and 5150 (Platoon level 28mm skirmish games)
-Junker (greco-roman sci-fi raiders) army finished to a playing size, but will expand it.
-Halfway through painting a 26 figure force made of Ventauran and Khiff miniatures from Denizen

Red Asphalt (matchbox/HotWheels car combat)
Am working on a fast-play, rules-lite automobile combat ruleset on the side. Rules are mostly done and I've bought and disassembled a ton of toy cars, but the project is on hold.

I've also finished 3 desert hills/cliff and a couple of buildings of terrain.

I'm loving life post GW-focus. I'm spending less, buying more and with my new gaming group I'm playing alot!

I think the exodus is funny, I went on mine 7 years ago, and the only things I have bought since are some paints and brushes.
Anything GW bought from me now is on eBay.
I'd like to start of a long term GorkaMorka group, as well as get back into playing with what I have (Chaos and SM)

I haven't bought anything GW in quite a while now. I intend to buy 1 finecast Astorath and 1 finceast Sanguinor (whenever it comes out) to convert into Mephiston and Dante respectively in order to complete my BA army (all the rest of which I have)... Other than that... I think I am more or less done except for the occasional 1 off...

Oddly, I am still ok with Forgeworld... I suppose it's always been expensive, but at least they put out previews lol...

I wasn't that mad, and still play 40k.

Pulp City.

RAFM USX Heros, plus a fair amount of Deep Ones.

Superfigs.

Reaper superheros, plus a bunch of stuff for a new game I'm looking into called Golgo Island. Their figures and game are LOL funny, and I need to find somewhere to get the guys here in the states.

AND the PP stuff that I forgot I had. 1 army each of Cryx, Cygnar, Khodor, and Mercs, and a bunch of unpainted Hordes Trollkin guys that I want to get up and running. These guys are like pringles- you can't just leave it at one.

Looked over that Dust tactics game, but those guys really do look flimsy for thier cost.

I've been unpacking some of the stuff from moving, and I didn't realize how much stuff I really had for GW.

Still painting, stopped buying, stopped playing, but that damn Warhammer Quest is looking interesting, even if I'm still as hot as ever.

Think it's because its OP, so they really can't screw it up so much.

I have mixed emotions looking over this pile of stuff.

On one hand, its just a bunch of ...stuff. On the other is a endless supply of memories, Necromunda, Gorkamorka, and all sorts of stuff that I miss all because GW wants to be !@##$ing stupid.

I have enough GW stuff, and as I unpack it, I'm trying to figure out how to sell it.

I just got a Khador Battlegroup on Ebay.

well thanks to my hobby store GW will never go out of business they have everything you can get on the site its not even funny its like 2 GW stores had a "Good nite" and thus was born this store

Not going to buy for a while; the army i wanted to do would just be too expensive. Even to start.

Still doing what I do: support where I play at and buying GW product.