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Post by: Mythal
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/landingArmy.jsp?catId=cat660002a&rootCatGameStyle=
Here it is - looks like we can finally have a chat about new information!
HQ: Canoness, Celestine, Command Squads (Sisters, "Blessed Banner", "Simulacrum Imperialis", Hospitaller, Dialogus), Kyrinov, Uriah, Battle Conclaves ( DCAs, Crusaders, Arco-Flagellants)
Elites: Preachers in here, along with Repentia (Mistress, Repentia) and Celestians from the models available (Superiors, Sisters, "Simulacrum Imperialis", Specials and Heavies)
Troops: Just SoB squads, from the look of it (Superiors, Sisters, "Simulacrum Imperialis", Specials, Heavies)
Fast Attack: Dominions (Superiors, "Simulacrum Imperialis", Sisters, Specials), Seraphim (Superiors, Seraphim, Seraphim w/ Hand-Flamers)
Heavies: Exorcists, Retributors (Superiors, Sisters, "Simulacrum Imperialis", Heavies) and Penitent Engines
Dedicated Transports: Rhinos and Immolators
Looks like Conclaves are HQ-linked, rather than Elites in their own right. Also, 'Imagifiers/Imaginifiers' are gone, with the two models divided into "Simulacrum Imperialis" (the one with the bones), and "Blessed Banner" (the one with the scroll).
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Post by: Revarien
Finally... lol.
It looks as though the Conclave squad may be an add-on HQ purchase, because I doubt they'd let you get one just solo, unless the whole squad counted as a single HQ choice, which would raise questions (IMO) about some mission parameters.
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Post by: Shotgun
Nice to know where each little pile of suck will fit into.
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Post by: Creeping Dementia
No real force org changes, unless there is some shuffling done by special characters.
Biggest things of note are Penitents are still staying Heavy, so they and Retributors probably still lose out to Exorcists, and that Conclaves aren't under the Elite slot. The few decent rumors are all compacted into the Fast attack slot still. No variety in Troops (apparently).
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Post by: Mythal
I really hope this isn't the way things have been assigned in the FOC :S But with the inclusion of the new model descriptions on a lot of models (even if their numbers are still old, their description text looks to have been taken from the new WD article), it looks like all of the 'hopes' folks had for the shape of the new army (Celestians in Troops, Penitent Engines in Elites), have been dashed...
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Post by: pretre
Shotgun wrote:Nice to know where each little pile of suck will fit into.
Troll harder, I don't think we quite got what you were trying to say.
@Mythal: Nice Catch! Sucks that I was wrong about Penitent Engines. They still won't be fielded now. Now we wait.
This page is perfect to outline the changes:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/listProducts.jsp?catId=cat660002a
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Post by: andrewm9
pretre wrote:Shotgun wrote:Nice to know where each little pile of suck will fit into.
Troll harder, I don't think we quite got what you were trying to say.
@Mythal: Nice Catch! Sucks that I was wrong about Penitent Engines. They still won't be fielded now. Now we wait.
This page is perfect to outline the changes:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/listProducts.jsp?catId=cat660002a
To be fair it might be the mistake of a web guy who doesn't know any better. Perhaps I'm just being overlly hopeful in that regard.
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Post by: Mythal
That's a much better link, aye. Like you say, all we can do now is wait for Wargear - but at least it looks like we'll know the shape of the FOC.
andrewm9 wrote:To be fair it might be the mistake of a web guy who doesn't know any better. Perhaps I'm just being overlly hopeful in that regard.
Part of me is hoping that - but the addition of the new descriptions for units like the Sister with Blessed Banner makes it look like this was more than just a random webmonkey swapping "Witch Hunters" for "Sisters of Battle".
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Post by: Archroy
Maybe it's just me knowing next to nothing about Sisters, but is it right the Battle Sisters appear in HQ, Elites, Troops, Fast Attack and Heavy Support?
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Post by: BrookM
To be used as models to bulk out certain squad options.
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Post by: Lord_Astaroth
Looking at the prices, I saw that the Immolator is only $2 more than the Rhino. Even if I played only Space Marines, I'd get the Immolator EVERY time for $2 more. It would give you some great extra bitz.
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Post by: Dr Mathias
Im happy to see Missionaries available for sale- they're not in the bestiary list though are they?
I'm kind of disappointed in the allocations as they appear to be- I was hoping for something other than basic sisters in the Troops category.
Reading through the "Getting Started" info also yields so insight into options... Dominions get two special weapons per five :(
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Post by: Revarien
Lord_Astaroth wrote:Looking at the prices, I saw that the Immolator is only $2 more than the Rhino. Even if I played only Space Marines, I'd get the Immolator EVERY time for $2 more. It would give you some great extra bitz.
Yup... a lot of folks do this. When I flesh-out my deathwatch army, I'll be snagging immolators for the bits.
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Post by: Creeping Dementia
Lord_Astaroth wrote:Looking at the prices, I saw that the Immolator is only $2 more than the Rhino. Even if I played only Space Marines, I'd get the Immolator EVERY time for $2 more. It would give you some great extra bitz.
Thats what most of us did, used to be a $5 difference though, Rhino price got raised. You get pieces with the Fleur and Inquisitorial stuff in with the Immolator. The turret only comes with MM/ HF/ HB options though, not a great kit for Space Marines, except maybe Grey Knights running psybolt razorbacks.
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Post by: Lizar7
Did the immolator's price drop, or am I seeing things? I'm pretty sure I'm seeing things, but can someone confirm for me?
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Post by: streamdragon
Strangely, some of the entries don't appear to be updated at all. The Penitent Engine, for instance, still lists Holy Rage and doesn't list Shield of Faith.
Basically I'm not sure I'd take this "redesign" as fact just yet. There's a decent chance it's still a WIP.
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Post by: Buzzsaw
So, it seems GW is determined to crush the hopes of the irrationally optimistic, only at with one pice of bad news* at a time instead of all at once?
Looking back at the previous Sisters thread, the primary hopes seemed to be: 1) Penitent Engines in elite, 2) dramatically lower point costs, 3)Miracle weapons in the wargear section.
Was there anything else?
So, so far one of the hopes is crushed, we're now just waiting to see that Sisters aren't 8 points and... something, is in the wargear?
*We can never, of course, completely discount the possibility that GW's web-team is wrong about all this.
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Post by: SabrX
I'm guessing the normal Rhino is for the Conclave. Not like Sisters of Battle need a normal SM Rhino when the Immolator kit already provides bits for it.
Many of us were hopping PE would be moved to Elite. It seems that's not happening. No point in taking it when the Exorcist is a lot better.
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Post by: streamdragon
Normal SM don't need a Rhino when the Razorback kit already provides bits for it, but you can still buy the SM Rhino...
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Post by: streamdragon
Really, reading through it explains a lot. It smacks of "I really love this model I did so I made rules for it!" in regards to the Kyrinov and Jacobs.
The rest is just bland, so it matches the new 'book' well I suppose.
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Post by: Buzzsaw
 I dunno why, but it just amused the heck out of me that the picture in the article has a primed white Saint in it...
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Post by: BrookM
Most devs suffer from that problem.
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Post by: Mythal
Interestingly, his Command Squad is 10 models, and includes a heavy and a special.
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Post by: andrewm9
Well the new "Gettign Started" article lists the Exorcist launcher as a d6 STR 8 rockets again. Bleh. Thats really lame to have one of your few long range weapons be totally random.
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Post by: streamdragon
Mythal wrote:
Interestingly, his Command Squad is 10 models, and includes a heavy and a special.
9 if you ignore Celestine (the prime white model). And the "heavy" is a Heavy Flamer so I'm not sure if it really counts as a "heavy". (They're Assault 1, and in the previous dex were basically a "If you don't take a second special weapon (flamer/melta) you can take a Heavy Flamer".)
Edited to add quote.
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Post by: SabrX
Why is the "Enforcer", a novel about Arbites, posted under the Sisters of Battle novel section?
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Post by: Mythal
streamdragon wrote:9 if you ignore Celestine (the prime white model). And the "heavy" is a Heavy Flamer so I'm not sure if it really counts as a "heavy". (They're Assault 1, and in the previous dex were basically a "If you don't take a second special weapon (flamer/melta) you can take a Heavy Flamer".)
That only applied to Battle Sisters squads, though. Celestians had the option of any heavy - and the Command Squad, according to the new Codex, is made up of Celestians w/ Hospitaller & Dialogus.
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Post by: SabrX
Ha ha, Commissar Yarrick statue objective. Now we know where Cruddace's true allegiance lies, and why the new SoB codex is so terrible.
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Post by: Mythal
SabrX wrote:Ha ha, Commissar Yarrick statue objective. Now we know where Cruddace's true allegiance lies, and why the new SoB codex is so terrible.
We'll find a way to make it work. I've been loyal to my Sisters of Battle for fourteen years - I won't abandon them just because a few nonsensical nerfs and reduced options have hit the army.
On which subject, according to the new Getting Started section, Dominions can only take two specials per five models now, down from four specials whatever the squad size. You now have to choose between an Immolator and two Meltaguns 
Let's just keep hoping the points costs drop through the floor 
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Post by: streamdragon
Mythal wrote:On which subject, according to the new Getting Started section, Dominions can only take two specials per five models now, down from four specials whatever the squad size. You now have to choose between an Immolator and two Meltaguns
Let's just keep hoping the points costs drop through the floor
Meh, I always used to run my dominions at 10 Sisters anyway... Of course, that was before we had the option of Scouting Immolators. So much for the 4x TL Meltas + Multimelta Immolator I suppose.
Edit: Just read back over the "Getting Started" page for Sisters. It's so unbelievably bad... Automatically Appended Next Post: At least Heavy Flamers are confirmed for Retributors.
But I notice that Seraphim no longer mention Inferno Pistols...
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Post by: Sarigar
Kind of disappointed the Sisters boxset is $17.25 for 3 basic models. I thought it was per the picture showing 7, but read the description. Kinda pricey to build a basic 10 strong squad.
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Post by: Mythal
streamdragon wrote:But I notice that Seraphim no longer mention Inferno Pistols...
They can't have removed Inferno Pistols as an option for Seraphim - we had them before they gave them to every Blood Angel and his uncle's dog. Probably just haven't mentioned them because there are no Seraphim models that have the Inferno Pistols as an option.
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Post by: BrookM
SabrX wrote:Why is the "Enforcer", a novel about Arbites, posted under the Sisters of Battle novel section?
The second story featured there involves the Sisters of Battle and a rather greedy priest who want something of a Rogue Trader family.
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Post by: andrewm9
Sarigar wrote:Kind of disappointed the Sisters boxset is $17.25 for 3 basic models. I thought it was per the picture showing 7, but read the description. Kinda pricey to build a basic 10 strong squad.
Many players have been saying this all along. If you get a special and heavy weapon to go along with the Imperialis you will likely want to buy along with the vet superior and their Rhino you are looking at around 120 dollars US. Thats the buy in for a single squad of Sisters with a lousy 11 models. Consdierign that they are the only troop unti available and probably require 10 models its quite a stiff fee for playing Sisters.
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Post by: streamdragon
Mythal wrote:streamdragon wrote:But I notice that Seraphim no longer mention Inferno Pistols...
They can't have removed Inferno Pistols as an option for Seraphim - we had them before they gave them to every Blood Angel and his uncle's dog. Probably just haven't mentioned them because there are no Seraphim models that have the Inferno Pistols as an option.
Would it surprise you? Honestly? To see Inferno Pistols removed from Sister of Battle? Because it wouldn't surprise me at all, honestly. We might get them back when we get a real codex and new models, but I get the impression that the temp dex was done exactly to existing models, nothing more.
In other words I think the lack of model with Inferno Pistol is exactly why we might have lost access to them on Seraphim.
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Post by: Mythal
streamdragon wrote:In other words I think the lack of model with Inferno Pistol is exactly why we might have lost access to them on Seraphim.
I have difficulty believing even Games Workshop could be that pathetically petty - especially given the efforts the folks who've converted their Seraphim to carry Inferno Pistols will have gone to over the 8 years since our last Codex.
Edit: Nah, I'd still keep my Sisters army as Sisters, even if their only purpose is to make fourteen-year-olds with geological acne feel better about their MEQs.
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Post by: Ascalam
They've been jacking cool stuff from non-marines and giving it to marines for years.
Why would this surprise you.
It would shock me if they get to keep them to be honest..
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Post by: Dr Mathias
Ascalam wrote:They've been jacking cool stuff from non-marines and giving it to marines for years.
Why would this surprise you.
It would shock me if they get to keep them to be honest..
I have a creeping feeling that you might be right.
I haven't played vanilla marines since 1993, so I don't know the answer to this: have generic Marines ever had anything taken out of their list or squatted, besides the RT stuff like jetbikes and Rapiers etc. ? Maybe 3rd ed. and on?
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Post by: streamdragon
Fraid I'm with Ascalam on this one. As much as I'd love to believe they'll let us keep the option, I'm heavily doubting it.
@Dr Mathias - I can't think of anything they've lost, no.
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Post by: pretre
My unrelenting optimism is starting to shake. Dominions with 1 every 5 is doing it.
Repeat after me, pretre. "Wait for the 2nd part. Wait for the 2nd part. "
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Post by: col. krazy kenny
Sorry I think this is a big dissappointment.No new models, WTF GW?I was hoping for some new sculps and some plasitc Storm Troopers.
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Post by: Mythal
pretre wrote:My unrelenting optimism is starting to shake. Dominions with 1 every 5 is doing it.
Repeat after me, pretre. "Wait for the 2nd part. Wait for the 2nd part. "
Wait for the second part, Pretre. And if it helps, it's Dominions with 2 every 5, down from 4 whatever the squad size was. It just means you can no longer field Dominions with 4 Meltaguns out of an Immolator - you'll have to use a Rhino instead.
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Post by: streamdragon
pretre wrote:My unrelenting optimism is starting to shake. Dominions with 1 every 5 is doing it.
Repeat after me, pretre. "Wait for the 2nd part. Wait for the 2nd part. "
It's 2 every 5 for Dominions, if that makes you feel better.
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Post by: Orinoco
in the the aforementioned article the cannoness has an inferno pistol.
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Post by: streamdragon
Yes, the model for the Canoness comes with one as an option.
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Post by: morgendonner
Not sure if anybody else noticed this under the Battle Sisters listing:
"Unit Composition: Sister Superior and 9-19 Battle Sisters.
Transport: If the squad numbers ten models or less, it may be mounted in a Rhino."
It does also included the updated stat profile. So I'd say it looks like Immos will be staying for non-troops.
Another curious thing of note though is that under the Troops models it contains the heavy weapon carrying sisters...
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Post by: Corbett
I haven't played vanilla marines since 1993, so I don't know the answer to this: have generic Marines ever had anything taken out of their list or squatted, besides the RT stuff like jetbikes and Rapiers etc. ? Maybe 3rd ed. and on?
Nid hunters came out that's the first I can think of off the top of my head.
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Post by: Eumerin
pretre wrote:My unrelenting optimism is starting to shake. Dominions with 1 every 5 is doing it.
Repeat after me, pretre. "Wait for the 2nd part. Wait for the 2nd part. "
Welcome to the dark side. Have a Cynicism Cookie. The secret ingredient is tears from GW fans.
It's been dipped in chocolate to take the edge off of the bitterness.
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Post by: andrewm9
morgendonner wrote:Not sure if anybody else noticed this under the Battle Sisters listing:
"Unit Composition: Sister Superior and 9-19 Battle Sisters.
Transport: If the squad numbers ten models or less, it may be mounted in a Rhino."
It does also included the updated stat profile. So I'd say it looks like Immos will be staying for non-troops.
Another curious thing of note though is that under the Troops models it contains the heavy weapon carrying sisters...
Thats not an updated stat profile as it lacks grenades, and bolt pistols. The stat profile is exactly as it was in the 3rd edition WH listing. They just haven't changed that yet. They may stay that way with 9-19 models and a superior, but it may also change.
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Post by: Tabitha
Just write Games Workshop a letter with your concerns and idea's for the sisters. Whats in the White Dwarf articles does not mirror what will be in the codex. I think if a few hundred people sent them well thought out letters that were not full of what some might call nerd rage or ranting then there is a good chance they might take some of your suggestions to heart.
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Post by: Zefig
The wording on the Dialogus's bit from the getting started article has me thinking that the laud hailer is still a leadership debuff, rather than any of the more creative speculation from the last thread.
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Post by: Lynata
SabrX wrote:Why is the "Enforcer", a novel about Arbites, posted under the Sisters of Battle novel section?
Well, they have to put something in there. 
Waiting for December. About time that Faith & Fire is getting its sequel.
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Post by: pretre
col. krazy kenny wrote:Sorry I think this is a big dissappointment.No new models, WTF GW?I was hoping for some new sculps and some plasitc Storm Troopers.
Storm troopers will not be part of the Sisters Codex by all reports and no one was expecting new models with the WD. Sorry that you didn't hear sooner. Automatically Appended Next Post: Mythal wrote:
Wait for the second part, Pretre. And if it helps, it's Dominions with 2 every 5, down from 4 whatever the squad size was. It just means you can no longer field Dominions with 4 Meltaguns out of an Immolator - you'll have to use a Rhino instead.
/hug Mythal
Phew. Reading comprehension for the fail.
My optimism is restored!
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Post by: Mythal
Tabitha wrote:The stuff in the WD codex is to play test many sisters units before the release of the real codex.
Tabitha wrote:Whats in the White Dwarf articles does not mirror what will be in the codex.
So, from these two quotes, we can assume the purpose of the White Dwarf Codex is to playtest units that won't be in the new Codex?
Zefig wrote:The wording on the Dialogus's bit from the getting started article has me thinking that the laud hailer is still a leadership debuff, rather than any of the more creative speculation from the last thread.
Games Workshop Website wrote:a Sister Dialogus to spread the word of the Emperor and make his foes quake with fear.
Games Workshop Website wrote:these powerful speakers can embolden the spirits of nearby troops and galvanise them into action against the enemy
I don't think either interpretation is any more creative than the other, based on the evidence as presented. They either give a penalty to enemy Leadership (dubiously utilitarian with the prevalence of Stubborn/Fearless/Morale-Ignoring Special Rules in modern Codices) or some form of bonus to Sisters (most likely more useful, given Sisters' apparent new weaknesses). Given what we've seen today, I suspect you're right - if only because the one is less useful than the other.
pretre wrote:
/hug Mythal
Phew. Reading comprehension for the fail.
My optimism is restored!
Glad I could help - we'll make the army work, somehow.
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Post by: Revarien
No infernus pistol seraphim...
What....
the...
FRACKING HELL IS THIS BULLSH----calm calm 
They've had them.... always... hell... even FFG has them in their fluff for the seraphim to use... APPROVED by GW... and now they get rid of them?!
Cruddace... if you like this army so much, you wouldn't have forgotten this .
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Post by: pretre
Where does it say no Inferno pistols?
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Post by: Revarien
"Upon winged jump packs the Seraphim descend onto the enemy with bolt pistols and hand flamers blazing. Seraphim are found in the Fast Attack section as they epitomise this style of warfare, able to land anywhere upon the battlefield, and shred the enemy with lots of withering close-range bolter and flamer fire, wiping out the enemy or target or reducing it to such an extent it is no longer a threat should they try to counter-attack in the Assault phase."
Ref - http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=cat660002a&pIndex=2&aId=17700001a&multiPageMode=true&start=3
Not a single word about the army that epitomized the damned things... I mean... they 'MAY' be in, but they don't list the one of their claims to fame?! That doesn't make a single bit of sense.
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Post by: pretre
It is a blurb. Inferno pistols weren't mentioned in the blurb in C:WH either, just the wargear.
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Post by: Erasoketa
Revarien wrote:No infernus pistol seraphim...
What....
the...
FRACKING HELL IS THIS BULLSH----calm calm
They've had them.... always... hell... even FFG has them in their fluff for the seraphim to use... APPROVED by GW... and now they get rid of them?!
Cruddace... if you like this army so much, you wouldn't have forgotten this .
The "bestiary" doesn't include the options of the units. They will be included in the Army List next month. It doesn't mention Flamer Pistols either, but the Seraphim in pic has them. Just wait for the next month.
In the Spanish WD there is an errata, they have only included one troop profile in the Repentia Sisters section. I hope they'll fix it next month.
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Post by: Revarien
I hope so Pretre... It's not a deal-breaker for me, but it severely drops our tank killing power... in an edition dominated by them... and if this is a 'stop-gap' codex for this edition, then they need to gear it as such.
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Post by: pretre
I never took Inferno Pistols for Seraphim before (and rarely took Seraphim), but was looking forward to 4 Inferno shots per squad. I guess we'll see.
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Post by: Zhrukal
Hello all. I've been lurking for a while but joined up to make this observation. I don't think GW built their Sisters section based on the new codex. If you look at the statline for Seraphim they are listed as I4 whereas the new WD codex drops them to I3. I think the web team may have had this stuff coded some time ago and never put it up because Sisters had nothing going on. This may still mean Sisters might get better wargear, infernus pistols, etc. next month.
I know, dump me in the optimist bucket. I just thought I would mention it.
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Post by: andrewm9
Zhrukal wrote:Hello all. I've been lurking for a while but joined up to make this observation. I don't think GW built their Sisters section based on the new codex. If you look at the statline for Seraphim they are listed as I4 whereas the new WD codex drops them to I3. I think the web team may have had this stuff coded some time ago and never put it up because Sisters had nothing going on. This may still mean Sisters might get better wargear, infernus pistols, etc. next month.
I know, dump me in the optimist bucket. I just thought I would mention it.
Its quite common to leave old descriptors until the new stuff is finally out. In this case the new stuff being the new codex. I believe the old Death Company listed their WS as 4 (its now 5) until the kit and codex was released despite having the new models/codex being advertised in pre-release. This is a little different becuase the old models are still in place, but they wen tout of thier wayt o put models where there were none before. Priests were never elites in the old dex and there are heavy weapons everywhere ( FOC wise) where there were none before. There was no dedicated transport section either. Deliberate changes were made here, but I hold out hope that some are mistakes. Not sure why I am but I have it nonetheless.
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Post by: streamdragon
Zhrukal wrote:Hello all. I've been lurking for a while but joined up to make this observation. I don't think GW built their Sisters section based on the new codex. If you look at the statline for Seraphim they are listed as I4 whereas the new WD codex drops them to I3. I think the web team may have had this stuff coded some time ago and never put it up because Sisters had nothing going on. This may still mean Sisters might get better wargear, infernus pistols, etc. next month.
I know, dump me in the optimist bucket. I just thought I would mention it.
The unit descriptions will probably be updated when the second half of the codex is released, but the Getting Started section definitely describes this WD Codex.
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Post by: Slackermagee
Looking at the Cruddance army I get a huge feeling of deja vu. This white dwarf army is going to be Tyranids mkII. The models you had? Nerfed. The four new models they make (out of the ten new units in the codex)? Incredibly useful and expensive pewter/resin. Even if it would make perfect sense to include a sprue of conversion in some other similar plastic kit. Painting job? Unfinished. Kind of like those really out of place non-metal metallic tyranids they through in as space wasters. Special rules? Non-sensical given the stat lines/unit purpose/etc. Kinda like giving warriors three wounds, toughness of a space marine, and removing the immunity to instant death. And then carrying that through to all the medium sized creatures to make us Codex: Ogryns.
General feel from the articles: no one in the office gives a damn enough to put anything original together. Have fun with the codex they felt obligated to put out but couldn't get any feeling into.
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Post by: ChaosxVoid
I remember when i first started sister, they were my first full army i wish they kept the inquisition now its all for the grey knights, i see they want it all women but the inquisitor was a nice look.
And are they getting an update in models at all or just a shift around the FOC and the subtraction of other models?
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Post by: Grenat
streamdragon wrote:Zhrukal wrote:Hello all. I've been lurking for a while but joined up to make this observation. I don't think GW built their Sisters section based on the new codex. If you look at the statline for Seraphim they are listed as I4 whereas the new WD codex drops them to I3. I think the web team may have had this stuff coded some time ago and never put it up because Sisters had nothing going on. This may still mean Sisters might get better wargear, infernus pistols, etc. next month.
I know, dump me in the optimist bucket. I just thought I would mention it.
The unit descriptions will probably be updated when the second half of the codex is released, but the Getting Started section definitely describes this WD Codex.
Are you sure ? :p Get started : "The key to wielding the Battle Sisters effectively is managing the Acts of Faith; using the limited Faith Points wisely to boost the squads' abilities at the right moment will ensure victory" I remember to have read some comments on the other thread about faith becoming an small accessory in the WD codex, in favor of more strategy More seriously I found it sad to have PE still in heavy choice. And I don't enjoy much these news about new dominion's composition. I don't know what to expect next !
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Post by: pretre
Slackermagee wrote:Looking at the Cruddance army I get a huge feeling of deja vu. This white dwarf army is going to be Tyranids mkII.
Umm. I'm fairly certain that we would be a lot happier if it was. After all, Tyranids got a Codex and miniature releases.
The models you had? Nerfed. The four new models they make (out of the ten new units in the codex)? Incredibly useful and expensive pewter/resin.
Oh yeah, I forgot about the four new models they produced for Sisters. Ummm.... Yeah, so about that.
Even if it would make perfect sense to include a sprue of conversion in some other similar plastic kit. Painting job? Unfinished. Kind of like those really out of place non-metal metallic tyranids they through in as space wasters. Special rules? Non-sensical given the stat lines/unit purpose/etc. Kinda like giving warriors three wounds, toughness of a space marine, and removing the immunity to instant death. And then carrying that through to all the medium sized creatures to make us Codex: Ogryns.
Why don't you take the Tyranid nerdrage to a Tyranid thread? It is misplaced here.
General feel from the articles: no one in the office gives a damn enough to put anything original together. Have fun with the codex they felt obligated to put out but couldn't get any feeling into.
General feel from your post: Still angry about Codex: Tyranids and didn't give a damn enough to put anything original together. We had fun with your insightful Tyranids post that you felt obligated to post in a Sisters thread.
kthxbai
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Post by: Ixquic
I love White Dwarf armies. The one penitent engine he included is really cute!
Also the three arco flagellants he's going to stick god knows where.
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Post by: Creeping Dementia
I'm used to example armies in various Codex, WD articles, and on GW online to being rather sad when it comes to actually using it in game, its just a reason to showcase models. But really? In the Sisters 'Getting Started' they're not even going to bother painting all the models??? Really?
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Post by: Dysartes
Mythal wrote:streamdragon wrote:But I notice that Seraphim no longer mention Inferno Pistols...
They can't have removed Inferno Pistols as an option for Seraphim - we had them before they gave them to every Blood Angel and his uncle's dog. Probably just haven't mentioned them because there are no Seraphim models that have the Inferno Pistols as an option.
Errm - I hate to break it to you, but Blood Angels had the Inferno Pistol way before the SoB did. Codex: Angels of Death had Commander Dante introduce the Inferno Pistol to the game (as an exclusive wargear card, IIRC), and it didn't feature in the original Codex: Sisters of Battle.
If anything, BA players can bitch about the SoB stealing it, not the other way around.
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Post by: pretre
Creeping Dementia wrote:I'm used to example armies in various Codex, WD articles, and on GW online to being rather sad when it comes to actually using it in game, its just a reason to showcase models. But really? In the Sisters 'Getting Started' they're not even going to bother painting all the models??? Really?
That was the 'What's New' article, not the getting started. What's new often shows people's in progress armies. All of the Getting Started minis are painted. Really.
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Post by: Mythal
Dysartes wrote:Errm - I hate to break it to you, but Blood Angels had the Inferno Pistol way before the SoB did. Codex: Angels of Death had Commander Dante introduce the Inferno Pistol to the game (as an exclusive wargear card, IIRC), and it didn't feature in the original Codex: Sisters of Battle.
If anything, BA players can bitch about the SoB stealing it, not the other way around.
Edit: Bah, y'know what? It's not worth it. If that's how you feel a non-sensical nerf to someone else's army can be made justifiable, good luck to you May you always roll sixes.
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Post by: Tails9095
pretre wrote:Creeping Dementia wrote:I'm used to example armies in various Codex, WD articles, and on GW online to being rather sad when it comes to actually using it in game, its just a reason to showcase models. But really? In the Sisters 'Getting Started' they're not even going to bother painting all the models??? Really?
That was the 'What's New' article, not the getting started. What's new often shows people's in progress armies. All of the Getting Started minis are painted. Really.
'What's new', shows old models, I feel like i'm being trolled...
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Post by: Creeping Dementia
pretre wrote:Creeping Dementia wrote:I'm used to example armies in various Codex, WD articles, and on GW online to being rather sad when it comes to actually using it in game, its just a reason to showcase models. But really? In the Sisters 'Getting Started' they're not even going to bother painting all the models??? Really?
That was the 'What's New' article, not the getting started. What's new often shows people's in progress armies. All of the Getting Started minis are painted. Really.
Whoops, you're right, got the links mixed up. It does seem odd to have a 'What's New' article showcasing unpainted really really old models, but whatever.
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Post by: Mythal
Tails9095 wrote:'What's new', shows old models, I feel like i'm being trolled...
Thing is, I look at that army, and it makes little to no sense to me. A solitary Penitent Engine? Seriously? And I have no idea what he's planning on doing with the Redemptionist Club he's got going on around Kyrinov.
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Post by: Melissia
Oh look we still ahve to buy battle sisters in $17.25 packs of three.
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So yeah.
Nothing new.
No plastics.
No finecasts.
No new units.
No new weapons.
Just the same ones we had before, copy-pasted confusingly everywhere else. It's like they built the list using WFB basics (IE Hero / Common / Special / Rare) instead of 40k (HQ / Elite / Troops / Fast Attack / Heavy Support). Good going Games Workshop. You still suck.
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Post by: Zefig
So it's looking like Celestians might have access to all the heavies now, right? What about the command squads? They don't have the heavies (or specials for that matter) under HQ, but it would make some sense of them getting relentless.
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Post by: Mythal
Zefig wrote:So it's looking like Celestians might have access to all the heavies now, right? What about the command squads? They don't have the heavies (or specials for that matter) under HQ, but it would make some sense of them getting relentless.
Celestian Squads always had access to all of the Heavies and Specials. The Command Squads are an open question - both photos of a Command Squad shown in the Codex suggest that special weapons of some sort are allowed, and one includes a heavy, and the photo shown of Cruddace's Command Squad has a special and a heavy, although the heavy in question is a heavy flamer.
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Post by: pretre
Creeping Dementia wrote:
Whoops, you're right, got the links mixed up. It does seem odd to have a 'What's New' article showcasing unpainted really really old models, but whatever.
What's new has always showcased hobby stuff, new/old/whatever. Last Thursday were Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists armies which certainly weren't because of a new release. Automatically Appended Next Post: Melissia wrote:So yeah. Nothing new. No plastics. No finecasts. No new units. No new weapons.
Just the same ones we had before, copy-pasted confusingly everywhere else. It's like they built the list using WFB basics (IE Hero / Common / Special / Rare) instead of 40k (HQ / Elite / Troops / Fast Attack / Heavy Support). Good going Games Workshop. You still suck.
It's a web 'getting started' article before the second half of the codex is released. I don't think anyone was expecting any revelations and certainly not an announcement of new product by their web guys.
But you keep raging anyways!
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Post by: Dysartes
Mythal wrote:Dysartes wrote:Errm - I hate to break it to you, but Blood Angels had the Inferno Pistol way before the SoB did. Codex: Angels of Death had Commander Dante introduce the Inferno Pistol to the game (as an exclusive wargear card, IIRC), and it didn't feature in the original Codex: Sisters of Battle.
If anything, BA players can bitch about the SoB stealing it, not the other way around.
Edit: Bah, y'know what? It's not worth it. If that's how you feel a non-sensical nerf to someone else's army can be made justifiable, good luck to you May you always roll sixes.
Do I agree with Seraphim losing Inferno Pistols, if it is what has happened? No - but that wasn't what I was responding to. Claiming that SoB's should have them because the BAs was equally nonsensical, as was the implication that the SoBs had them first.
For the record, I have a small SoB allied contingent knocking around somewhere, though I'd never gotten around to picking up the Seraphim.
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Post by: Melissia
pretre wrote:[snip]
Actually I'm being smug and self-righteous in an "I told you so" way.
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Post by: Mythal
Dysartes wrote:Do I agree with Seraphim losing Inferno Pistols, if it is what has happened? No - but that wasn't what I was responding to. Claiming that SoB's should have them because the BAs was equally nonsensical, as was the implication that the SoBs had them first.
Seraphim were the first squad to be given access to the weapon. Dante was the first unit to be given access to the weapon. Blood Angels squads did not gain access to it until after the fact. My point was that jump-pack squads dotted with inferno pistols could not be considered game-breaking, and thus not a justifiable nerf, given that Codex: Blood Angels provides just such a recourse and has not been errata'd to remove it. I was also attempting to avoid the thread dissolving into pointless tit-for-tat conflict - when its purpose is for players who actively run Witch Hunters/Sisters of Battle armies to discuss the potential implications of the new material published today on Games Workshop's website
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Post by: Kaffis
Ascalam wrote:They've been jacking cool stuff from non-marines and giving it to marines for years.
I fully expect 6th edition Marines to get Lance weapons, just because it's a special rule they don't have.
morgendonner wrote:Another curious thing of note though is that under the Troops models it contains the heavy weapon carrying sisters...
It's curious, but not surprising. My guess is BSS gets one heavy weapon, and one special weapon. Just like baby Tactical Marines. Only, without combat squads to make one heavy weapon in a 10 body squad useful.
Zefig wrote:The wording on the Dialogus's bit from the getting started article has me thinking that the laud hailer is still a leadership debuff, rather than any of the more creative speculation from the last thread.
I noticed that, too. As to the poster who suggested this is patently less useful, I disagree. Sisters are very good at forcing morale checks in shooting from 25% casualties. What we're not doing is receiving the charge after the unit invariably passes the morale check because every army in the grimdark future is well disciplined enough that only modifiers make leadership interesting, and shooting casualties don't incur modifiers. Thus, I'll take a leadership modifier, if it means I've got a better chance of my shooting making my enemy flee instead of charging and chopping my T3/I3 nuns to pieces.
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Post by: warboss
Melissia wrote:So yeah.
Nothing new.
No plastics.
No finecasts.
No new units.
No new weapons.
Look on the bright side... no finecasts! You won't have to do this if you buy any figs in the near future...
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/372070.page
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Post by: pretre
From the dates on that thread, that was one of the first batch. Isn't it known that the first batch was faulty and since then things have improved? Or are you just trying to get a Finecast hate session going in this SoB thread?
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Post by: Byte
please excuse my ignorance... wheres the codex or whats the plan for release...
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Post by: Lynata
Byte wrote:please excuse my ignorance... wheres the codex or whats the plan for release...
Were it not for the apology, I would have taken it for sarcarm.
The 1st part of the Codex is in the August issue of White Dwarf.
2nd part will be in the September issue.
Presumably GW will also put a PDF version of their rules online some time later.
This concludes the release.
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Post by: warboss
pretre wrote:From the dates on that thread, that was one of the first batch. Isn't it known that the first batch was faulty and since then things have improved? Or are you just trying to get a Finecast hate session going in this SoB thread?
The pic is actually from the SIXTH model the poster picked up (and eventually had to go through 9 over the course of two months from various sources so the problem was NOT limited to the first batch). Locally, I still see problems with finecast (including on an emperor's champion that arrived sometime last week at my FLGS). Either way, it was a simple attempt at humor to cheer up Melissia before she joins the Sisters Repentia. Chill out.
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Post by: Mythal
Kaffis wrote:As to the poster who suggested this is patently less useful, I disagree.
That was me My reasoning is that bubble effects are unlikely to reach beyond a 6" radius. If the Command Squad of Celestians the bubble is part of has closed to 6" in order to force that effect on the opponent, then killed 2-3 of their number with rapid-fire bolter shots, then I would rather have something that made the subsequent charge (remember, the Command Squads have the Relentless act of faith) more likely to rout the enemy (such as a Furious Charge bubble, allowing the Celestians to strike at MEQ I and S), rather than something that would make the enemy backpedal 6-8 inches and auto-regroup. But that's personal preference, I guess - I really, really dislike any of my Sisters squads getting within 6" of the enemy, period, unless it's with the intention to bind that enemy in assault in some way.
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Post by: Kaffis
Cruddace, on the What's New article wrote:I've also painted six Cherub models to use as Faith Point tokens. I can be pretty absent minded during games, and by placing the Cherubs next to my Sisters of Battle units when they use Acts of Faith, it reminds me of any extra bonuses they might have, as well as how many Faith Points I have left for the turn.
Well, that explains everything. Translation: "I have a horrible memory, and can't use a die to keep track of my Faith point total. So I decided to make sure you never have to count high, so I can make counters. Also, I have a hard time remembering what Faith powers I've used, so I made sure each unit only has one power to use, so I can just stick my counter next to the unit and know which power they have used."
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Post by: Mythal
Kaffis wrote:Cruddace, on the What's New article wrote:I've also painted six Cherub models to use as Faith Point tokens. I can be pretty absent minded during games, and by placing the Cherubs next to my Sisters of Battle units when they use Acts of Faith, it reminds me of any extra bonuses they might have, as well as how many Faith Points I have left for the turn.
Well, that explains everything. Translation: "I have a horrible memory, and can't use a die to keep track of my Faith point total. So I decided to make sure you never have to count high, so I can make counters. Also, I have a hard time remembering what Faith powers I've used, so I made sure each unit only has one power to use, so I can just stick my counter next to the unit and know which power they have used."
Heh. Not to mention, "And now you have a use for all those now-unfieldable Inquisitorial Familiars you collected over the years! See? Here at Games Workshop, we think of everything!"
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Post by: Zefig
Mythal wrote:Zefig wrote:So it's looking like Celestians might have access to all the heavies now, right? What about the command squads? They don't have the heavies (or specials for that matter) under HQ, but it would make some sense of them getting relentless.
Celestian Squads always had access to all of the Heavies and Specials. The Command Squads are an open question - both photos of a Command Squad shown in the Codex suggest that special weapons of some sort are allowed, and one includes a heavy, and the photo shown of Cruddace's Command Squad has a special and a heavy, although the heavy in question is a heavy flamer.
Derp, completely forgot about that. Please excuse me on the defense that no one ever takes them.
Or maybe next you'll be trying to tell me that repentia and arco-flagellants have been available this whole time
Anyway, based on the aforementioned relentless I'd HOPE they'd have the same access to heavies, but I could see GW justifying it on the "merits" of relentless bolters alone.
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Post by: Kaffis
Mythal wrote:Kaffis wrote:As to the poster who suggested this is patently less useful, I disagree.
That was me My reasoning is that bubble effects are unlikely to reach beyond a 6" radius. If the Command Squad of Celestians the bubble is part of has closed to 6" in order to force that effect on the opponent, then killed 2-3 of their number with rapid-fire bolter shots, then I would rather have something that made the subsequent charge (remember, the Command Squads have the Relentless act of faith) more likely to rout the enemy (such as a Furious Charge bubble, allowing the Celestians to strike at MEQ I and S), rather than something that would make the enemy backpedal 6-8 inches and auto-regroup. But that's personal preference, I guess - I really, really dislike any of my Sisters squads getting within 6" of the enemy, period, unless it's with the intention to bind that enemy in assault in some way.
This is a good point. A simple -1 certainly would be underwhelming. If it told us that the unit takes a penalty to their check equal to the number of models lost, though... that could be something!
Also, I don't think a 12" bubble is unreasonable, since that's the outside edge of our optimal range. Heck, a 9" bubble would cover anything we could reach with a flamer.
It also might not be a bubble at all. It might be "the target of this unit's attacks" or somesuch.
Which could be really nifty, if you found a way to attach a laud hailer to a heavy bolter retributor squad. 36" leadership penalties! Not that I expect that to be an option.
Also, there's nothing to say the laud hailer might not have both a debuff and a buff. Especially if they're not phase-specific.
Finally, the two locations of laud hailers we know about (command squads, which can be relentless, and whichever special character priest has one) are certainly assaulty by nature. So I wouldn't have any qualms about getting within 6" even if they're not assault-related.
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Post by: Byte
Lynata wrote:Byte wrote:please excuse my ignorance... wheres the codex or whats the plan for release...
Were it not for the apology, I would have taken it for sarcarm.
The 1st part of the Codex is in the August issue of White Dwarf.
2nd part will be in the September issue.
Presumably GW will also put a PDF version of their rules online some time later.
This concludes the release.
Got it, thanks!
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Post by: Mythal
Zefig wrote:Derp, completely forgot about that. Please excuse me on the defense that no one ever takes them.
Or maybe next you'll be trying to tell me that repentia and arco-flagellants have been available this whole time
For my sins, I've had a 20-model Repentia Squad for years, just for the fluff factor - but they only ever see the light of day during Apocalypse. Or Planetstrike. Have to say, the look on someone's face when you trigger the Escape Hatch strategem and they find they just dropped 19 hostile chainfists out of their own backside is quite rewarding...
Edit:
Kaffis wrote:This is a good point. A simple -1 certainly would be underwhelming. If it told us that the unit takes a penalty to their check equal to the number of models lost, though... that could be something!
Also, I don't think a 12" bubble is unreasonable, since that's the outside edge of our optimal range. Heck, a 9" bubble would cover anything we could reach with a flamer.
It also might not be a bubble at all. It might be "the target of this unit's attacks" or somesuch.
Which could be really nifty, if you found a way to attach a laud hailer to a heavy bolter retributor squad. 36" leadership penalties! Not that I expect that to be an option.
Also, there's nothing to say the laud hailer might not have both a debuff and a buff. Especially if they're not phase-specific.
Finally, the two locations of laud hailers we know about (command squads, which can be relentless, and whichever special character priest has one) are certainly assaulty by nature. So I wouldn't have any qualms about getting within 6" even if they're not assault-related.
These are all good points. I suppose my main fear is that so far, nothing in this new Codex has had a real 'Wow' factor - which means all I can think of in terms of special effects is " USR Bubble" or "-1 Ld Bubble". Thanks for reminding me that optimism isn't dead
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Post by: Kaffis
Whoa, whoa. Hold up. I wouldn't claim to be an optimist, by any means. I perfectly expect to get screwed, here.
The laud hailer change is just one I've been wishlisting for years. Seeing it pop up as unit wargear just gives me an opportunity to share.
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Post by: AdeptSister
*sigh*...I hope we keep inferno pistols...
On the bright side, did anyone else notice that Multimeltas and Heavy bolters are now in Troops?
That is a nice bonus (even if it makes us closer to SM)
EDIT: Oh wow...I forgot how expensive Sisters are now (I have an OLD army) ...How do they expect to get people to buy them for these prices?!? Jeepers!
EDIT 2: Just did the math...It would cost $64 for a min Battle Squad without special weapons 17.25 *3 [3 packs of 3 Sisters] + 12.25 [Sister Superior]...Is that a record?
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Post by: Lynata
I just noticed they don't offer the 10 girl squad pack anymore.
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Post by: Ascalam
So they can shaft you into buying them one by one in finecast for double the price, of course
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Post by: Tomb King
At the current prices how much would an average competitive 2500 point sisters army cost?
I now know my army for winning the second round ard boyz will be.
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Post by: Nuclear_Bomb
I wish they still had the Vindicare......
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Post by: Melissia
Tomb King wrote:At the current prices how much would an average competitive 2500 point sisters army cost?
I now know my army for winning the second round ard boyz will be.
That depends on points costs.
Keep the following in mind: 17.25 USD for three bolter wielding sisters, no bitz. 12.25 for one squad leader, no bitz. 14.00 for one heavy weapons model, no bitz. 9.90 for one special weapon model, no bitz.
12.25 for one seraphim, no bitz. Same for its squad leader.
35 for one immolator, 57.75 for one exorcist, 35.00 for one Penitent Engine,
15.00 for three repentia, no bitz. 13.25 for one mistress repentia, no bitz.
15.00 for a canoness, no bitz. 17.00 for Kyrinov or Jacobus, no bitz. 20.00 for Celestine, no bitz.
15.00 for two assassins, no bitz, 12.25 for two arco-flagellants, no bitz, 10.00 for one crusader, no bitz, 13.00 for one banner/simulacrum imperialis, no bitz, 9.90 for the horrendously ugly Dialogous, no bitz, 12.25 for the Hospitaller, also with no bitz.
You might notice a "with no bitz" theme here. Because you won't get any extra bitz for your army like you would if it was plastic.
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Post by: Eeps
Based on some of the stuff people are suggesting here (which sounds sensible to me) that they may be forming into something like a tactical squad, I just did some quick sums on what that would cost in a transport in Oz:
3* Packs of 3 basic sisters = 3x29
Heavy Bolter Sister = 23
Melta Sister =17
Sister Superior = 21
Rhino = 55
= 203 AUD!
May have to reconsider getting a squad and transport for display :/
Don't worry though, once youve bought 5 lots of 3 sisters, you'll have enough spare to outfit a 6th "tactical squad"
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Post by: Melissia
So, cost analysis... assuming equal or lower points costs (I marked off roughly ten percent of the poitns cost of all squads, for simplification purposes). This is roughly estimated for a 2500 point army:
HQ: 380 Pts
Celestine (20 USD)
Canoness (15 USD)
-- 2 Celestians
-- Blessed Banner (13.75 USD)
-- Dialogous (9.90 USD)
-- Hospitaller (12.25 USD))
Elites: 380 Pts
Celestian Squad
-- 7 Celestians
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior w/Eviscerator (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Celestian Squad
-- 7 Celestians
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior w/Eviscerator (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Troops: 930 Pts
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Fast Attack: 440 Pts
Seraphim Squad (122.5 USD)
-- 7 Seraphim
-- 2 Seraphim w/Hand Flamers
-- 1 Seraphim Superior
Dominion Squad
-- 4 Meltaguns (39.60 USD)
-- Sister Superior w/Combimelta (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator (35 USD)
Dominion Squad
-- 4 Meltaguns (39.60 USD)
-- Sister Superior w/Combimelta (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator (35 USD)
Heavy Support: 360 Pts
Exorcist (57.75 USD)
Exorcist (57.75 USD)
Exorcist (57.75 USD)
58 Bolter Sisters = 20 packs of 3 (for a total of 60), 345 USD.
Total cost not including SnH comes to roughly 1450 USD.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Since they're resissuing the confessor with the plasma gun, I wonder if priests will be allowed to take flamers, meltas and plasma? there were Necro models for all of these.
Sure would be nice to know SOMEONE in the Imperium thought about taking a gun to a gun fight.
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Post by: RatBot
Total cost not including SnH comes to roughly 1450 USD.
I was gonna say "on the upside, does this mean we might see plastic Sisters soon?" but then I remembered this is just in preparation for the WD Codex, which is a bummer. Even if I'm not gonna buy 'em, I do want to see plastic Sisters.
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Post by: Melissia
For our friends in the UK and across the pond, that's about ~890 GBP, or 1010 EUR, not including GW's natural tendencies to have price discrepancies. I'd hate to try to figure out how much it costs in AUD.
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Post by: MadCowCrazy
Melissia wrote:For our friends in the UK and across the pond, that's about ~890 GBP, or 1010 EUR, not including GW's natural tendencies to have price discrepancies. I'd hate to try to figure out how much it costs in AUD.
That's easy, just add 70% and you are good to go, so rougly €1700 or £1500
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Post by: RatBot
Ooh, ooh, I'll figure it out! ...I must be a masochist.
HQ: 380 Pts
Celestine (33 AUD)
Canoness (22 AUD)
-- 2 Celestians
-- Blessed Banner (22 AUD)
-- Dialogous (17 AUD)
-- Hospitaller 21 AUD)
Elites: 380 Pts
Celestian Squad
-- 7 Celestians
-- Meltagun (17 AUD)
-- Heavy Flamer (23 AUD)
-- Sister Superior w/Eviscerator (21 AUD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (55 AUD)
Celestian Squad
-- 7 Celestians
-- Meltagun (17 AUD)
-- Heavy Flamer (23 AUD)
-- Sister Superior w/Eviscerator (21 AUD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (55 AUD)
Troops: 930 Pts
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (17 AUD)
-- Heavy Flamer (23 AUD)
-- Sister Superior (21 AUD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (55 AUD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (17 AUD)
-- Heavy Flamer (23 AUD)
-- Sister Superior (21 AUD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (55 AUD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (17 AUD)
-- Heavy Flamer (23 AUD)
-- Sister Superior (21 AUD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (55 AUD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (17 AUD)
-- Heavy Flamer (23 AUD)
-- Sister Superior (21 AUD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (55 AUD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (17 AUD)
-- Heavy Flamer (23 AUD)
-- Sister Superior (21 AUD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (55 AUD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (17 AUD)
-- Heavy Flamer (23 AUD)
-- Sister Superior (21 AUD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (55 AUD)
Fast Attack: 440 Pts
Seraphim Squad (214 AUD)
-- 7 Seraphim
-- 2 Seraphim w/Hand Flamers
-- 1 Seraphim Superior
Dominion Squad
-- 4 Meltaguns (68 AUD)
-- Sister Superior w/Combimelta (21 AUD)
-- Immolator (55 AUD)
Dominion Squad
-- 4 Meltaguns (68 AUD)
-- Sister Superior w/Combimelta (21 AUD)
-- Immolator (55 AUD)
Heavy Support: 360 Pts
Exorcist (100 AUD)
Exorcist (100 AUD)
Exorcist (100 AUD)
58 Bolter Sisters = 20 packs of 3 (for a total of 60), 580 AUD.
total: $2425 AUD.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha oh god just had a stroke BRB
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For those playing at home, that's 1816 Euro, 1538 GBP, 2606 USD, or 908,447 Zimbabwe Dollars (at the moment, anyway).
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Post by: Lynata
RatBot wrote:total: $2425 AUD.
Which is about 2.500 USD.
Heresy?
That +70% was surprisingly accurate.
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Post by: Melissia
Zimbabwe abolished their currency two years ago, hehe. It's now used for toilet paper.
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Post by: RatBot
Melissia wrote:Zimbabwe abolished their currency two years ago, hehe. It's now used for toilet paper.
Yeah, I think that 900 grand is with the last form they used. I think with the original form we'd be talking quadrillions of dollars. That's xxx,000,000,000,000,000.
But the point stands that a Sisters army in Australia would cost something like 2500 bucks, which is insane. Even in the EU, UK, and US, I can't foresee many people starting SoB armies with the White Dwarf Codex. It's clearly meant for people who already have Sisters armies.
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Post by: abaddonsdrummer
£10.75 for 3 Battle Sisters?! 3?! To get a basic squad you would have to spend over £30... Thankfully I don't play SoB, though the new update looks decent.
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Post by: SabrX
Huzzah! Sisters of Battle remains to be the most expensive army out there! Yet another hurdle, deterring sales and popularity. GW will probably invest less time and effort after seeing sales for Sisters plunge any further. Sisters of Battle demise all points to GW's inability to give them the proper treatment they deserve. Good job GW, the way you do business ceases to amaze me.
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Post by: Lynata
- release new rules as a magazine minidex
- make rules suitably crappy
- turn army into a horde, forcing people to buy more miniatures
- raise price on miniatures to preposterous levels
It almost looks like a plan. I can't believe why they would just add to the pile. :(
It's the same logic that was presumably behind combining the switch to cheaper finecast with the annual price increase, making people forget about the latter and just see cheaper production cost for higher prices.
Seriously, shouldn't they have .. like .. people who notice such things?
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Post by: abaddonsdrummer
There are people who notice these things, but they are quickly silenced by a shadowy man who breaks into their home and cuts their internet cable...
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Post by: Savnock
On the upside, Finecast means that efficient sprue placement etc has already been worked out for those who think casting your own is fine once you've paid a respectable amount to the company (say $500 for 2500 points). It's also convenient that telling home resin from GW models will be harder for tournament organizers etc.
Not that I'm advocating casting your own in the face of recent terrible pricing decisions on GW's part. Just sayin'.
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Post by: abaddonsdrummer
Meh, the company has made a lot of bad decisions. This is just another one. Mantic Games all the way!
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Post by: rumanchu
Corbett wrote:
I haven't played vanilla marines since 1993, so I don't know the answer to this: have generic Marines ever had anything taken out of their list or squatted, besides the RT stuff like jetbikes and Rapiers etc. ? Maybe 3rd ed. and on?
Nid hunters came out that's the first I can think of off the top of my head.
Rapid Fire was exclusive to Space Marines in 2nd Edition, IIRC.
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Post by: Yggdrasil
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Since they're resissuing the confessor with the plasma gun, I wonder if priests will be allowed to take flamers, meltas and plasma? there were Necro models for all of these.
Sure would be nice to know SOMEONE in the Imperium thought about taking a gun to a gun fight.
Great! Hadn't seen that one...
Oh, and yeah... I hear people tend to listen more carefully when the priests puts his plasmagun on the altar before the prayers begin...
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Post by: SagesStone
I was kind of hoping for the return of the box of 10 SoB when I saw this... You know to capitalise on the slight interest the WD would create for at least half of this month, could even have as much effort put into it as the Exorcist box (for non-SoB players it is just a plain brown box and doesn't even come with instructions).
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Post by: ceorron
Yggdrasil wrote:
Oh, and yeah... I hear people tend to listen more carefully when the priests puts his plasmagun on the altar before the prayers begin...
Ha classic. Yeah the cost of Sisters means the chance of seeing anyone go for a new army and expect to see it at a reasonable size is about ~0%.
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Post by: streamdragon
Savnock wrote:On the upside, Finecast means that efficient sprue placement etc has already been worked out for those who think casting your own is fine once you've paid a respectable amount to the company (say $500 for 2500 points). It's also convenient that telling home resin from GW models will be harder for tournament organizers etc.
Not that I'm advocating casting your own in the face of recent terrible pricing decisions on GW's part. Just sayin'.
If we were actually going to see Finecast any time soon, that might "work".
But we're not. We're stuck with metal until the actual codex and model release, which should be just this side of the apocalypse.
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Post by: ceorron
streamdragon wrote:...which should be just this side of the apocalypse.
I'm guessing your not talking about the due apocalypse in 2012 because that wouldn't be so bad tbh.
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Post by: Ixquic
The problem with this is that it's way too expensive ($2k for an army hahaha) for people unfamiliar with Sisters to start and WD Codexhas surpassed being merely a boring holdover and actively and unnecessarily nerfs several critical aspects of the list (the 2 special for 5 dominions tips it for me) so most players with a current army and power gamers with money are going to pan it. It's a serious waste and would have more more cost efficient and beneficial just to issue an errata that said "units, a, b, c and d are no longer legal thanks bye."
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Post by: Kirasu
This seems to eclipse even the Beastmen in "bad releases".. At least white dwarf blood angels had plastic models to buy from the normal SM range
All metal + relatively boring book = profit??? Looks like one of GW's bean counters is confused
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Post by: Asuron
abaddonsdrummer wrote:Meh, the company has made a lot of bad decisions. This is just another one. Mantic Games all the way!
Speaking of bad decisions made by GW.
I know, I know, its beating a dead horse, can you blame me though? What possessed them to use this as the picture for the model..... and keep it after all this time instead of painting a new one. Then post it in the updated WD codex. Couldnt even make the effort to paint another one, to make it somewhat easy on the eyes and actually make someone want to buy it.
You know the best part of it though? It costs me $17 dollars to buy it if I want it
Bargain!
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Post by: SagesStone
On the plus side it's a reaction picture for itself.
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Post by: Ixquic
I'm not sure how much a good paint job could polish that turd.
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Post by: JoeyHeadwounds
"That model always reminds me of blowup dolls". a friend of mine once said to me. Now whenever I see it, I can't help but think that, even though I have never seen one myself.
Now, all of you will probably have that come to mind when you see it too.
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Post by: Ixquic
That model actually reminds me of Goo from old Gumby cartoons
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Post by: derek
Asuron wrote:
You know the best part of it though? It costs me $17 dollars to buy it if I want it
Bargain!
$17.00! Why, you could get 3 whole sisters with bolters for that! Then you only need to shell out another $1483 for the rest of the army!
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Post by: Kaffis
You know, the back-of-the-envelope army pricing in this thread has made me realize something:
There's a reason that Faith doesn't scale. The authors figured nobody would possibly be rich enough to have an army too big for d6 Faith points a turn.
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Post by: streamdragon
Well, except people that had a large Sisters army from when you could still buy the 10 Sister box set...
I'd estimate I have only about 3,000 points of Sisters under C:WH. I'm positive there are people out there with more.
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Post by: Lynata
n0t_u wrote:On the plus side it's a reaction picture for itself.
+1 to that. Thanks for making me grin in the face of trying times.
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Post by: Puscifer
If I was to do another SoB army, I would have to do it through Ebay for the actual Soritas models.
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Post by: Melissia
By the way, according to GW....
"It's never been easier to buy Sisters"
Either they're lying out of their ass or they're utterly delusional.
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Post by: olympia
What, all metal no finecast? 
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Post by: ceorron
Melissia wrote:
"It's never been easier to buy Sisters"
It has never been easier to buy a Sisters army, all those power players now ebaying thier armies.
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Post by: Brother Ramses
I make more then enough money to pick up a SoB army right now, but for fuckssake! This is beyond just an annual price increase. This is completely and utterly unacceptable as a pricing structure.
The piecemeal pricing structure is what pisses me off the most. Are they trying to prove a point on how expensive it is to use metal and then will release them in Finecast for $.35 cheaper and expect us to fall to our knees in gratitude?
Unless there is some huge revelation at GW regarding this shitheaded pricing model, my plans for a Sisters of Battle army is 100% completely shelved unless there is a MEGAGONGASUPER deal on Ebay, which is also now fethed because sellers are already using the new prices as their benchmark to auction.
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Post by: Kaffis
Melissia wrote:By the way, according to GW....
"It's never been easier to buy Sisters"
Either they're lying out of their ass or they're utterly delusional.
Nah. That's a true statement. They spread the special and heavy weapons out over all the slots that could take some in their squads. Also, they said "the whole range of Sisters products!" or something like that -- and by removing inquisitors, several henchmen, and assassins, this reduces the number of models in the "whole range."
What they *didn't* say was "It's never been easier to afford a Sisters army."
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Post by: SagesStone
ceorron wrote:Melissia wrote:
"It's never been easier to buy Sisters"
It has never been easier to buy a Sisters army, all those power players now ebaying thier armies.
Power players never would have touched the codex to begin with.
I think they mean it's easier because little target audience Timmy can bring the WD up to the counter and point at them and go "I want these marines/scouts", whereas before there was no option to do that as they were not in the WD.
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Post by: RandomSauce19
I actually got White Dwarf this month and yes they are bringing out most of the sisters models in Plastic
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Post by: Brother Ramses
RandomSauce19 wrote:I actually got White Dwarf this month and yes they are bringing out most of the sisters models in Plastic
Then one of my requirements to build a SoB force is fulfilled, just not if these prices remain.
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Post by: SabrX
RandomSauce19 wrote:I actually got White Dwarf this month and yes they are bringing out most of the sisters models in Plastic
I'll believe it when I see it.
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Post by: SagesStone
Until you realise that that was a pretty bad attempt at trolling this thread. SoB will very likely not see new models until an actual codex.
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Post by: Griever
Such a fail release. All that "hype" about shelving metal and moving into finecast and they re-release all those old metal models.
GW really is run by a bunch of idiots.
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Post by: andrewm9
Brother Ramses wrote:I make more then enough money to pick up a SoB army right now, but for fuckssake! This is beyond just an annual price increase. This is completely and utterly unacceptable as a pricing structure.
The piecemeal pricing structure is what pisses me off the most. Are they trying to prove a point on how expensive it is to use metal and then will release them in Finecast for $.35 cheaper and expect us to fall to our knees in gratitude?
Unless there is some huge revelation at GW regarding this shitheaded pricing model, my plans for a Sisters of Battle army is 100% completely shelved unless there is a MEGAGONGASUPER deal on Ebay, which is also now fethed because sellers are already using the new prices as their benchmark to auction.
There has been no price increase on Sisters. I believe they have been this price for the last two years. No one has noticed until the article and email brought attention to them. The real problem is that that you can only get them at GW stores. No Indies can order them period. The GW stores don't stock them so you must order them.
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Post by: Brother Ramses
andrewm9 wrote:Brother Ramses wrote:I make more then enough money to pick up a SoB army right now, but for fuckssake! This is beyond just an annual price increase. This is completely and utterly unacceptable as a pricing structure.
The piecemeal pricing structure is what pisses me off the most. Are they trying to prove a point on how expensive it is to use metal and then will release them in Finecast for $.35 cheaper and expect us to fall to our knees in gratitude?
Unless there is some huge revelation at GW regarding this shitheaded pricing model, my plans for a Sisters of Battle army is 100% completely shelved unless there is a MEGAGONGASUPER deal on Ebay, which is also now fethed because sellers are already using the new prices as their benchmark to auction.
There has been no price increase on Sisters. I believe they have been this price for the last two years. No one has noticed until the article and email brought attention to them. The real problem is that that you can only get them at GW stores. No Indies can order them period. The GW stores don't stock them so you must order them.
So a box of 9 basic Sisters and Sister Superior were always $69? I don't think so. At least when I use to have my very old Sisters army, it was not that at all.
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Post by: andrewm9
Brother Ramses wrote:andrewm9 wrote:Brother Ramses wrote:I make more then enough money to pick up a SoB army right now, but for fuckssake! This is beyond just an annual price increase. This is completely and utterly unacceptable as a pricing structure.
The piecemeal pricing structure is what pisses me off the most. Are they trying to prove a point on how expensive it is to use metal and then will release them in Finecast for $.35 cheaper and expect us to fall to our knees in gratitude?
Unless there is some huge revelation at GW regarding this shitheaded pricing model, my plans for a Sisters of Battle army is 100% completely shelved unless there is a MEGAGONGASUPER deal on Ebay, which is also now fethed because sellers are already using the new prices as their benchmark to auction.
There has been no price increase on Sisters. I believe they have been this price for the last two years. No one has noticed until the article and email brought attention to them. The real problem is that that you can only get them at GW stores. No Indies can order them period. The GW stores don't stock them so you must order them.
So a box of 9 basic Sisters and Sister Superior were always $69? I don't think so. At least when I use to have my very old Sisters army, it was not that at all.
No it was like 40 something dollars US but its been gone for quite awhile now. The individual prices were about that when the box was still out perhaps slightly cheaper. One of the biggest hurdles to collecting Sisters was their expensive metal models. With the dissappearance of the box they became even more so. When the box disappaered and all the models were not available Sister players began to speculate about a new release only to be disappointed when they were put back up for sale without the box and just blisters.
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Post by: SabrX
If I recall correctly, a box of 1 Sister Superior, 1 Flamer Sister, 1 Storm Bolter Sister, and 7 Bolters was $41.25 before they discontinued box sets. Still expensive compared to 10 troop box sets in other armies.
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Post by: SagesStone
They were $69 at some point in Australia though, if I recall correctly they got one last rise to $72 before they vanished.
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Post by: Brother Ramses
Considering that for $74.50 (pre-tax) I can make two 10man Grey Hunters with special weapons AND a ton of bits leftover, the Sisters pricing is fething slowed.
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Post by: Revarien
When I started 40k about 2.5 years ago, I was coming in at the tail end of the sisters' boxes being available... luckily I had snagged a few...
At the time, it was the army I wanted to play, but couldn't afford... but since then I had fallen into a few massively good deals on people getting rid of sisters and I've got 120 basic troops and around 40 seraphim and the rest of the 'normal sister's player cavalcade'...
If I were to quantify this army with the current pricing standard... I think my current self would kill my past self for even contemplating buying them at MSRP.
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Post by: Brother Ramses
The equivalent would be;
3 Sisters x2 34.50
Sister with Simulacrum 13.25
Sister Superior 12.25
Sister with Melta x2 19.80
Total $79.80
So my basic Sisters squad is more expensive then 2x my basic Grey Hunter packs, while giving absolute zero bitz. Yea, GW can take a flying feth at a rolling donut.
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Post by: Lynata
Griever wrote:Such a fail release. All that "hype" about shelving metal and moving into finecast and they re-release all those old metal models.
At this point, actually re-releasing the old 10 Sisters squad for the old price would be a big step forward.
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Post by: SagesStone
Although the Simulacrum wasn't really used meaning it would be an additional 3 pack to get that last bolter, the plus side being it would cover another 2 squads like that. 3 Sisters x3 $87 Superior $21 Heavy Flamer $23 Flamer $17 or 2x melta $34 $148 or $142, with the next 2 squads only $119 or $113. Essentially the removal of the 10 box leading to a 108% price increase at once. Although you did have to buy extra special weapons for it as the box only had a storm bolter and a flamer in it. The extra fun being when they were cheaper and I started I was making them full mech, meaning unless I want to spend about $200 per squad (Rhinos $50, Immo $55) it's time to let them sit for a bit..
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Post by: evilsponge
Robin Cruddance wrote it, no wonder. I could see his terrible rules writing when their stats were released. Cruddace have you ever considered mixing concrete for a living? I think it would be a better fit for you mate
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Post by: Ixquic
I bought my army on ebay for $250 about four years ago which would probably cost at least a grand now and probably closer to two since I got a lot of stuff that I never ended up using. I feel no guilt in not supporting absurd pricing of that nature and they can go pound sand if they think their decade old models are worth that much.
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Post by: Melissia
andrewm9 wrote:There has been no price increase on Sisters. I believe they have been this price for the last two years. No one has noticed until the article and email brought attention to them.
I noticed. I pointed it out many times over the past months.
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Post by: Ixquic
I hadn't noticed until I looked up the price of a special weapon sister a while ago and it was $10.
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Post by: andrewm9
Melissia wrote:andrewm9 wrote:There has been no price increase on Sisters. I believe they have been this price for the last two years. No one has noticed until the article and email brought attention to them.
I noticed. I pointed it out many times over the past months.
I know you did. So have I many times.
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Post by: Brother Ramses
You guys sound like indie rock fans,
"Yea, I use to listen to these guys way before they ever got on Itunes!"
It doesn't change the fact that the pricing structure puts them pretty much at twice the amount of other armies.
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Post by: andrewm9
Brother Ramses wrote:You guys sound like indie rock fans,
"Yea, I use to listen to these guys way before they ever got on Itunes!"
It doesn't change the fact that the pricing structure puts them pretty much at twice the amount of other armies.
Thats sort of our point. Its just been that way for about 2 years. With a new codex we were hoping for some relief with cheaper, newer, better models along with new players to liven up the base a bit. Its not happening. Some of us fail to see the point of this codex. A simple FAQ/errata coudl have updated point costs/profiles and made some models and allies illegal. That could have taken a page or two. They coudl have waited for a real release. This one is not going to push Sisters models much if at all.
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Post by: JustPlainJim
All this is making me think it's time to trade the scant few SoB models I picked up over the last couple years. 10 Sisters for the low low price of $70!
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Melissia wrote:Zimbabwe abolished their currency two years ago, hehe. It's now used for toilet paper.
Ninja'd
Yeah the days of trillions of Zimbabwe dollars to the USD are gone, they use US dollars now. I wonder what the most worthless money in the world is these days...
North Korean Won? Automatically Appended Next Post: At these prices I'm surprised they didn't bring back the old redemptionists and Fraternis Militia at just $100 for a squad of 20.
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Post by: Lux_Lucis
I suppose... You could hope that they haven't put the 10 Sister squad up because they intend to release it in plastic around/after the second part of the WD codex is released...
Not that I think GW would actually be nice to its customers, but it's hope for another month
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Post by: Kaffis
Lux_Lucis wrote:I suppose... You could hope that they haven't put the 10 Sister squad up because they intend to release it in plastic around/after the second part of the WD codex is released...
Not that I think GW would actually be nice to its customers, but it's hope for another month
Nah. If that were the case, they wouldn't have bothered to do the website re-org with all the metal.
Also, the 10 sister box has been gone for almost 2 years or so, now.
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Post by: Lux_Lucis
I was working on what others have said about the re-organisation not being complete, with stat lines not being changed. And they did start releasing old WHFB miniatures left right and centre... But yeah, I don't hold out much hope for SoB players being treated well. I just don't get why they would do a release that seems so financially ridiculous. Even for GW. Either Squat them or make them affordable... But hey, I'm hoping for business sense from a company which has failed to show much in the last few years
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Post by: androcles138
So if the models aren't going to come down in price, are their any other model companies that make sisters-appropriate models?
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Post by: Zefig
Lux_Lucis wrote: But yeah, I don't hold out much hope for SoB players being treated well. I just don't get why they would do a release that seems so financially ridiculous. Even for GW. Either Squat them or make them affordable...
As someone who already owns a ton of sisters, I'd rather my army not be squatted, thank you very much. The current codex may be insulting, but at least it keeps the army legally playable years down the road, presumably. Although I do fully hope we get a new codex by then.
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Post by: Cerebrium
Kid_Kyoto wrote:Melissia wrote:Zimbabwe abolished their currency two years ago, hehe. It's now used for toilet paper.
Ninja'd
Yeah the days of trillions of Zimbabwe dollars to the USD are gone, they use US dollars now. I wonder what the most worthless money in the world is these days...
North Korean Won?
Automatically Appended Next Post:
At these prices I'm surprised they didn't bring back the old redemptionists and Fraternis Militia at just $100 for a squad of 20.
Unrelated, but to answer your question, the Cambodian Riel. 4035 Riel to the dollar.
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Post by: Daston
The website showed a group of 7 sisters for £17 or there abouts yesterday.
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Post by: Zefig
Daston wrote:The website showed a group of 7 sisters for £17 or there abouts yesterday.
That was just the picture, which incidentally is still one of the pictures if you go into the item description. I'm pretty sure the blurb then was the same as it is now though: "This pack contains three Battle Sisters - finely detailed metal miniatures that come in six components, and are supplied with three 25mm round bases."
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Post by: Kaffis
Yeah, the 7 models are just the 7 poses (the same ones that are one each in the old 10-model box) that the 3 in the blister are randomly drawn from.
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Post by: RatBot
Cerebrium wrote:Kid_Kyoto wrote:Melissia wrote:Zimbabwe abolished their currency two years ago, hehe. It's now used for toilet paper.
Ninja'd
Yeah the days of trillions of Zimbabwe dollars to the USD are gone, they use US dollars now. I wonder what the most worthless money in the world is these days...
North Korean Won?
Automatically Appended Next Post:
At these prices I'm surprised they didn't bring back the old redemptionists and Fraternis Militia at just $100 for a squad of 20.
Unrelated, but to answer your question, the Cambodian Riel. 4035 Riel to the dollar.
Actually, the Vietnamese Dong (LOLOLOLOLOLOL DUR HUR) is worth less than the Riel. 20,760 Dong to one USD.
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
Asuron wrote:I know, I know, its beating a dead horse, can you blame me though? What possessed them to use this as the picture for the model..... and keep it after all this time instead of painting a new one. Then post it in the updated WD codex. Couldnt even make the effort to paint another one, to make it somewhat easy on the eyes and actually make someone want to buy it.
You know the best part of it though? It costs me $17 dollars to buy it if I want it
Bargain!
WTF!?! It came in a packet with two others and a couple of servo skulls all for £6 when I had it a few years ago, now it's £6.15 on it's own.
LOLz, you jest GW.
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Post by: MadCowCrazy
1. Somalia shilling SOS 33,300[2] 44,600 None in use 1,000 (3¢) Official rate: 1 USD = 1,625.62 SOS (as of 6/11/2011) [3]
2. Vietnam đồng VND 19,487.70 26,093.06 5,000 (26¢) 500,000 ($25.66)
3. São Tomé and Príncipe dobra STD 18,260.00 24,449.23 2,000 (11¢) 100,000 ($5.48)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Least_valued_currency_unit
Back on topic, we should probably get the first information sometime next week
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Post by: Lord of Caliban
Yes, that is pretty cool. Now the next phase will be the "SOB phase".
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
Daston wrote:The website showed a group of 7 sisters for £17 or there abouts yesterday.
Are we looking at the same site? I see a page showing just three sisters, and they are three for £10.75
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Post by: Rinkydink
Yup, three for £10.75.
If you want those 10 seraphim though, well, that'll be £77.
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Post by: MadCowCrazy
Daston wrote:The website showed a group of 7 sisters for £17 or there abouts yesterday.
They showed 7 Battle Sisters on the 3 sister blister picture just the other day. They have no changed the first picture to one of just 3 Battle Sisters. They still have the 7 sister pic in the picture section of the product page though.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat660014a&prodId=prod1300021a
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Post by: AdeptSister
Ok...sorry for bringing up the price... Its just been awhile since I looked at Sister prices since my army has been finished (at least all purchased) for nearly 4 years.
My other point of my post is that Heavy weapons (heavy bolters and multimeltas) may be an option for Troop squads! Yay!
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Post by: Tomb King
Asuron wrote:abaddonsdrummer wrote:Meh, the company has made a lot of bad decisions. This is just another one. Mantic Games all the way!
Speaking of bad decisions made by GW.
I know, I know, its beating a dead horse, can you blame me though? What possessed them to use this as the picture for the model..... and keep it after all this time instead of painting a new one. Then post it in the updated WD codex. Couldnt even make the effort to paint another one, to make it somewhat easy on the eyes and actually make someone want to buy it.
You know the best part of it though? It costs me $17 dollars to buy it if I want it
Bargain!
holy S**T its Velma from Scooby Doo and gang!
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Post by: Lynata
They could've at least filed the Inquisition logo away.
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Post by: streamdragon
Don't you dare insult Velma like that. 
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Post by: Dr Mathias
Funny, I was looking at that mini a couple hours ago, and thinking of the best way to grind her head off.
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Post by: vash1223
... It's a dude
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Post by: Asuron
JoeyHeadwounds wrote:"That model always reminds me of blowup dolls". a friend of mine once said to me. Now whenever I see it, I can't help but think that, even though I have never seen one myself.
Now, all of you will probably have that come to mind when you see it too.
Why would you do that.
I was already laughing whenever I saw it, now I'm going into hysterics.
Personally it reminds me of that scene in the Jonahs Brothers episode of South park where all the girls opened their mouths simultaenously when they entered the room.
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Post by: Ixe
morgendonner wrote:Not sure if anybody else noticed this under the Battle Sisters listing:
"Unit Composition: Sister Superior and 9-19 Battle Sisters.
Transport: If the squad numbers ten models or less, it may be mounted in a Rhino."
It does also included the updated stat profile. So I'd say it looks like Immos will be staying for non-troops.
Another curious thing of note though is that under the Troops models it contains the heavy weapon carrying sisters...
It also lists them as being led by a Veteran Superior, doesn't list their new special rules, doesn't list their frag and krak grenades. Compare the stats listed on the website to those printed in the 4th edition codex, and you will see that NONE of the units have had their stat profiles updated. They list the old stats, which we know have been changed. So do not take this as a hint of what will be in the full book. GW's web guy is drunk or lazy or has been instructed not to complete the website overhaul until the whole book is out.
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
vash1223 wrote:... It's a dude
It's definitely a woman,
It mine any more attractive than the GW one?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/howardtreesong/Picture006.jpg
I quite liked the figure. 
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I like all the Inquisitorial Retinue models... except the Cherubs. They've always bugged me. But you can't buy them (or Servo-Skulls) any more... so who cares.
And yeah, it's a woman.
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Post by: Leo_the_Rat
Is that a picture of a panda on the scroll she's holding? Maybe she lost her pet.
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Post by: Daston
Kaffis wrote:Yeah, the 7 models are just the 7 poses (the same ones that are one each in the old 10-model box) that the 3 in the blister are randomly drawn from.
Ah my bad I didn't read the blurb
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Post by: Lynata
Designwise, I actually like her. Quite "steampunky", in a fitting 40k way. On the actual miniature the gaping mouth looks a bit ... weird, though. Maybe it's the missing lips, dunno.
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Post by: Zefig
Leo_the_Rat wrote:Is that a picture of a panda on the scroll she's holding? Maybe she lost her pet.
"HELLO MR. KROOT HAVE YOU SEEN MY PANDA?"
(Caps because she's always yelling, obviously.)
I actually like the model more now because of this. And now I know what I'm going to paint on their scrolls.
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Post by: Melissia
H.B.M.C. wrote:I like all the Inquisitorial Retinue models... except the Cherubs. They've always bugged me. But you can't buy them (or Servo-Skulls) any more... so who cares.
And yeah, it's a woman.
That's how they intended it, but they failed... miserably.... Frankly that's the worst sculpt GW ever made.
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Post by: pretre
Melissia wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:And yeah, it's a woman.
That's how they intended it, but they failed... miserably....
Frankly that's the worst sculpt GW ever made.
I'm an SHOCKED that you would exaggerate your case in a discussion. SHOCKED.
Nagash and Razorgore say hi.
Can we get this shutdown until real news comes out? As fun as the 'flog a dead horse' threads are...
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Post by: Melissia
pretre wrote:you would exaggerate your case in a discussion.
I'm not exaggerating. I think the razergor and nagash are both better models.
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Post by: pretre
Melissia wrote:pretre wrote:you would exaggerate your case in a discussion.
I'm not exaggerating. I think the razergor and nagash are both better models.
And I wasn't really shocked or surprised at the position you took either. It isn't a good day unless you've made some outlandish claim exalting SOBs in some way. Even if it is that they have the worst X in the world.
Let's avoid flamebaiting one another please! Thanks, Manchu
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Post by: DAaddict
andrewm9 wrote:Brother Ramses wrote:You guys sound like indie rock fans,
"Yea, I use to listen to these guys way before they ever got on Itunes!"
It doesn't change the fact that the pricing structure puts them pretty much at twice the amount of other armies.
Thats sort of our point. Its just been that way for about 2 years. With a new codex we were hoping for some relief with cheaper, newer, better models along with new players to liven up the base a bit. Its not happening. Some of us fail to see the point of this codex. A simple FAQ/errata coudl have updated point costs/profiles and made some models and allies illegal. That could have taken a page or two. They coudl have waited for a real release. This one is not going to push Sisters models much if at all.
Make plastic sisters and I will consider them. I don't want to get a hernia or declare bankruptcy buying a metal army!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
pretre wrote:And I wasn't really shocked or surprised at the position you took either. It isn't a good day unless you've made some outlandish claim exalting SOBs in some way. Even if it is that they have the worst X in the world.
You took the words right out of my... keyboard.
Please remember that flamebaiting is against Dakka Rule Number One. Thanks, Manchu
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Post by: Buzzsaw
pretre wrote:Melissia wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:And yeah, it's a woman.
That's how they intended it, but they failed... miserably....
Frankly that's the worst sculpt GW ever made.
I'm an SHOCKED that you would exaggerate your case in a discussion. SHOCKED.
Nagash and Razorgore say hi.
Can we get this shutdown until real news comes out? As fun as the 'flog a dead horse' threads are...
Uhhh... it's an exaggeration, is it?
Nagash
Razorgore
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying these are good, but the sculpt in question is offensively bad: if for no other reason then the Nagash and gore minis have loads and loads of (useless) detail, while other is so smooth it looks like it got squeezed out of.. uh, a tube of toothpaste.
p-man mate, reading your posts in these threads is like watching a meth-head cut pieces off themself to feed their dog: equal parts horror and hilarity, but are you seriously going to argue with Melissia that that the sex-doll isn't at least a contender for worst model they ever made?
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Post by: Manchu
By all means, quickly review the DakkaDakka site rules regarding being polite. This involves not flamebaiting and otherwise deriding other users. If you think someone has a chip on their shoulder, be a sport and don't antagonize them about it. Further: Not violating Rule Number One also involves engaging in discussion with civility and courtesy. Being matter-of-fact is one thing, being a douchebag is another -- the moderation team can tell the difference and we expect all of you to be able to do the same.
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Post by: pretre
Buzzsaw wrote: you seriously going to argue with Melissia that that the sex-doll isn't at least a contender for worst model they ever made?
Not anymore, I'm not.
Personally, I think that that is exaggeration, however.
Oh and I repeat my request, can we get this thread shutdown since neither news or rumors are being discussed?
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Post by: streamdragon
Considering the Nagash model is apparently older than the Dakka boards (it was sculpted in 1994!), I think it isn't really fair to compare it to Sister Blowup-doll and the Methgore.
Between those two, I can't really say which is worse. The Razorgore on the other side doesn't look quite as terrible (barring the stupid mace tail thing), but there really isn't a good view of the Sister at all...
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Post by: shoggoth
why would anyone buy a sisters army when its so expensive, is GW just trying their luck and selling as much metal as possible before the plastic sisters?
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Post by: pretre
shoggoth wrote:why would anyone buy a sisters army when its so expensive, is GW just trying their luck and selling as much metal as possible before the plastic sisters?
Although unlikely, someone could conceivably start a sisters army right now (at the height of prices) because of rarity. It's like buying bling, when you walk into a store/tournament with a brand new sisters army, people know you are loaded.
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Post by: Manchu
Loaded with what? is the question. I've tried to steer clear of this business but the fact that my WD hasn't even arrived in the post yet is the proverbial straw. Sisters are my very favorite thing about 40k and this ... well, I'm glad I already have all (well, most) of these models and bought them when they were slightly less outrageously priced and slightly less outdated.
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Post by: pretre
Manchu wrote:Loaded with what?
Cash.
I'll roll up to the GT in my Escalade with gold spinners and pull out my 2000 point, brand-spankin' new sisters army. People will know that I've 'made it' then.
Sisters are my very favorite thing about 40k and this ... well, I'm glad I already have all (well, most) of these models and bought them when they were slightly less outrageously priced and slightly less outdated.
Definitely. I also got most of my redemptionists and all the swooping hawk wings for my seraphim through bits service. Ahh, the 90's.
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Post by: SabrX
pretre wrote:Manchu wrote:Loaded with what?
Cash.
I'll roll up to the GT in my Escalade with gold spinners and pull out my 2000 point, brand-spankin' new sisters army. People will know that I've 'made it' then.
ROFL!
So Sisters of Battle has become the new status symbol amongst the 40k community?
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Post by: Lynata
And you paint the ornamentation on their armour using this, of course.
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Post by: Augustus
I am a member of the GW mailing lists and when I got the email for this "NEW" sisters section I was incredibly non plussed.
There's nothing new about it!
It costs a fortune to build, it has a published codes that's going to span 2 white dwarfs, it has massively expensive predominately metal models outside of tanks and they preserved the supremely irritating faith points mechanism, except made it not scale to army size at all in a dumbed down version.
The upside to all this? There won't be any sisters armies to play anymore! Surely no one will play the stupid army, because it's to expensive, now has crummy rules with a codex in 2 WDs. and is an all metal nightmare.
I suppose the only way to make it worse would be to make it all finecast...
NINE DOLLARS? I wonder what it will cost when it's in low quality resin...
Absurd.
Probably coming...
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Post by: streamdragon
Like many people, I expect when/if (big if) we get an actual book that we will see new plastic models for the Sisters of Battle. Sure, characters like Celestine and units like the Canoness might end up in Finecast, but I highly doubt the entire line will be.
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Post by: pretre
Augustus wrote:I am a member of the GW mailing lists and when I got the email for this "NEW" sisters section I was incredibly non plussed.
There's nothing new about it!
It costs a fortune to build, it has a published codes that's going to span 2 white dwarfs, it has massively expensive predominately metal models outside of tanks and they preserved the supremely irritating faith points mechanism, except made it not scale to army size at all in a dumbed down version.
The upside to all this? There won't be any sisters armies to play anymore! Surely no one will play the stupid army, because it's to expensive, now has crummy rules with a codex in 2 WDs. and is an all metal nightmare.
I suppose the only way to make it worse would be to make it all finecast...
NINE DOLLARS? I wonder what it will cost when it's in low quality resin...
Absurd.
Probably coming...
Way to summarize an 8 page thread.
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Post by: Augustus
Ya, you got me, I guess I got to the party late...
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Post by: Tails9095
Anyone think it's a big 'feth you' to Sisters players when, in the armies tab, the four advertised pieces are the ones we've had for years? Oh yea? The immolator, I'll be sure to buy one of those when I'm making me 2k$ SoB army.
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Post by: pretre
Tails9095 wrote:Anyone think it's a big 'feth you' to Sisters players when, in the armies tab, the four advertised pieces are the ones we've had for years? Oh yea? The immolator, I'll be sure to buy one of those when I'm making me 2k$ SoB army.
No, because the armies tab randomly generates which four products it displays. The featured product is the only constant. Keep refreshing it.
Also, EVERY piece of the sisters army is years old. Some of them 10-15 years old.
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Post by: Tails9095
I was using the immolator as an example, they should just release the new models instead of pretending that starting an army now would be a good idea.
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Post by: Augustus
Sad to send out an 'announcement' when there weren't even any new models, kind of pointless.
Next months letter mightl be:
'OMG 40K PLAYERS WE STILL SELL TAU ALSO!'
'NEW' web section with 'SAME' images!
LOL
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Post by: Grimtuff
Please don't spam the forum by posting videos without actually making any comments. Oftentimes, posting an image macro or video with no comments is a sign that one is simply being rude. In that case, please also remember that DakkaDakka Rule Number One is "Be Polite." Spamming the forum and/or being rude are grounds for suspension of your account.
Thanks,
Manchu
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Post by: shoggoth
To me it just seems to be some sort of scheme to get rid of old stock.
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Post by: RatBot
shoggoth wrote:To me it just seems to be some sort of scheme to get rid of old stock.
At $70+ USD per squad... it's not a very good scheme.
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Post by: Kanluwen
I'm just glad they finally got rid of that stupid Witchhunters tab and made it a Sisters of Battle section.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Augustus wrote:Sad to send out an 'announcement' when there weren't even any new models, kind of pointless.
You've missed the best part: They have sent out the newsletter with the central "buy the latest WD because you need it to build up this excellent army" message, days after it sold out in USA and Germany.
And yes, SoB armies are a status symbol now: Who else owns an army whose Codex is OOP after 2 weeks
Mark my words: The next 40k rulebook and starter set will be limited to 5000 exemplars WORLDWIDE, and GW will call it a tremendous success if they sell out in a week!
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Post by: Kanluwen
"Out of Stock" does not mean "Out of Print", Kroothawk.
Especially not when it will be made available online.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Kanluwen wrote:"Out of Stock" does not mean "Out of Print", Kroothawk.
Especially not when it will be made available online.
I think the expression "No Longer Available" is pretty clear
And GW Germany denied that every rule in a WD will become freely available as a pdf. Not saying that there will be no Codex-pdf in the near or far future, but printing out a pdf is something different than showing a WD, given today's possibilities to manipulate pdfs.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Kroothawk wrote:Kanluwen wrote:"Out of Stock" does not mean "Out of Print", Kroothawk.
Especially not when it will be made available online.
I think the expression "No Longer Available" is pretty clear
And GW Germany denied that every rule in a WD will become freely available as a pdf. Not saying that there will be no Codex-pdf in the near or far future, but printing out a pdf is something different than showing a WD, given today's possibilities to manipulate pdfs.
I find it hard to believe that an army book from a White Dwarf will not be republished in its "entirety". It probably will be a few months and be missing the fluff, but isn't that how they did the Blood Angels PDF?
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Post by: Augustus
Well, I guess at least then the codex would be effectively free, maybe to offset the cost of the army, heh.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Kanluwen wrote:I find it hard to believe that an army book from a White Dwarf will not be republished in its "entirety". It probably will be a few months and be missing the fluff, but isn't that how they did the Blood Angels PDF?
I find it hard to believe that GW makes the WD the center of all marketing and information and then let it sell out. But there you are!
"Here is the new Terrorgheist. Want to buy it?"
"What rules does it have?"
"They are in the new WD."
"Okay, let me see."
"It is sold out"
"???"
"Erm ... well, maybe GW will rerelease the rules in the future, but I can't guarantee that. Wanna buy the Terrorghest now?"
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Post by: Kroothawk
Anyway, here an official response, Inquisitor_Eljer over at Warseer got from GW Customer Service:
"Thanks for writing in to us and expressing your support and concerns for the Sisters of Battle. As a Sisters player myself (I collect The Order of the Bloody Rose) I understand how passionate you can get about your favorite army.
The article in the magazine is part one of the Sisters article. The next issue of White Dwarf will have all the details for the army list itself with all the points costs and weapons options etc. While these articles can in no way compare to a full blown codex, I feel that they will provide an adequate stop gap so that Sisters players such as us can play their army in the 5th edition of Warhammer 40,000 until a new codex can be written (along with new plastic miniatures being made ). As you mentioned, the Witch Hunters codex was originally published in early 2004 for the 3rd edition of the game and doesn’t play or handle as well two editions on. We did exactly the same thing with the Blood Angels army which got an army list published in White Dwarf across two issues back in 2006. This allowed existing players to play with their army in the game until the new codex was published in February 2010.
I hope this gives you a little insight into why the new codex article has been written, and what the future may hold for the Sisters. I’m not too sure when a full codex will be written for them, but keep the faith that they haven’t been forgotten about."
At least it confirms that this is a stop-gap Codex until Sororitas get a full Codex with new plastic miniatures. And that GW is aware that it can't be compared to a full blown codex.
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Post by: AdeptSister
I am glad that GW gave sisters some new rules and reorganized the webpage. But, I just hope that GW was not expecting an increase of SoB sales...I don't want them to think Sisters are unpopular just because people are not crazy enough to buy them at the current price point.
Lets hope that GW has realistic expectations!
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Post by: The Dwarf Wolf
This make me remember some time ago (last year), when there was 1 month to the release of battleforce Blood Angels, Storm Raven and Furioso Dreadnought, and they just send a similar e-mail, talking about all the "new BA stuff" they have (that was just old things, from the wave before, that they where trying to sell "in the mood").
Its exactly the same, only the products are far more old, and the new products will come in some years...
Guys, it GW pis****g in your faces again, they are laughing and calling you b****s, will you open your mouths again? Will you apologize another time? C`mon, will people continue to "Mantic this" "PP" that, whyle GW do that AGAIN?!?
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Post by: IdentifyZero
We haven't been able to get WD in since the first week. According to the rep, it sold out in the first 5 days this month. Never seen that happen in years.
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
RatBot wrote:shoggoth wrote:To me it just seems to be some sort of scheme to get rid of old stock.
At $70+ USD per squad... it's not a very good scheme.
Funny thing is waaaay back when GW actually did sales they dumped a fair bit of the range cheap. I had my Kyrinov and Jacobus cheap, £2 each I think, now they are £10.25!! Wish I'd got the frateris militia too but I didn't see the point at the time, now they have been OOP for ages and are seemingly quite expensive on eBay.
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Post by: Lynata
Kroothawk wrote:Anyway, here an official response, Inquisitor_Eljer over at Warseer got from GW Customer Service:
"Thanks for writing in to us and expressing your support and concerns for the Sisters of Battle. As a Sisters player myself (I collect The Order of the Bloody Rose) I understand how passionate you can get about your favorite army.
The article in the magazine is part one of the Sisters article. The next issue of White Dwarf will have all the details for the army list itself with all the points costs and weapons options etc. While these articles can in no way compare to a full blown codex, I feel that they will provide an adequate stop gap so that Sisters players such as us can play their army in the 5th edition of Warhammer 40,000 until a new codex can be written (along with new plastic miniatures being made ). As you mentioned, the Witch Hunters codex was originally published in early 2004 for the 3rd edition of the game and doesn’t play or handle as well two editions on. We did exactly the same thing with the Blood Angels army which got an army list published in White Dwarf across two issues back in 2006. This allowed existing players to play with their army in the game until the new codex was published in February 2010.
I hope this gives you a little insight into why the new codex article has been written, and what the future may hold for the Sisters. I’m not too sure when a full codex will be written for them, but keep the faith that they haven’t been forgotten about."
At least it confirms that this is a stop-gap Codex until Sororitas get a full Codex with new plastic miniatures. And that GW is aware that it can't be compared to a full blown codex.
Thanks for posting that, Kroothawk. It is something. 
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Post by: Evil Lamp 6
Melissia wrote:So, cost analysis... assuming equal or lower points costs (I marked off roughly ten percent of the poitns cost of all squads, for simplification purposes). This is roughly estimated for a 2500 point army:
HQ: 380 Pts
Celestine (20 USD)
Canoness (15 USD)
-- 2 Celestians
-- Blessed Banner (13.75 USD)
-- Dialogous (9.90 USD)
-- Hospitaller (12.25 USD))
Elites: 380 Pts
Celestian Squad
-- 7 Celestians
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior w/Eviscerator (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Celestian Squad
-- 7 Celestians
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior w/Eviscerator (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Troops: 930 Pts
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Battle Sister Squad
-- 7 Battle Sisters
-- Meltagun (9.90 USD)
-- Heavy Flamer (14 USD)
-- Sister Superior (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator converted to Rhino (35 USD)
Fast Attack: 440 Pts
Seraphim Squad (122.5 USD)
-- 7 Seraphim
-- 2 Seraphim w/Hand Flamers
-- 1 Seraphim Superior
Dominion Squad
-- 4 Meltaguns (39.60 USD)
-- Sister Superior w/Combimelta (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator (35 USD)
Dominion Squad
-- 4 Meltaguns (39.60 USD)
-- Sister Superior w/Combimelta (12.25 USD)
-- Immolator (35 USD)
Heavy Support: 360 Pts
Exorcist (57.75 USD)
Exorcist (57.75 USD)
Exorcist (57.75 USD)
58 Bolter Sisters = 20 packs of 3 (for a total of 60), 345 USD.
Total cost not including SnH comes to roughly 1450 USD.
That seems about right for what I paid for that amount. I just started my SoB army at the end of last year/beginning of this year. Fortunately, my FLGS had a fair amount of SoB stuff in stock cause apparently no one else bought it. I've spent probably closer to $2500 on my SoB because when I get an army, I buy it to fill out the full FoC regardless of points. I bought 33 packs of the 3 blister Sisters order through my FLGS in one sitting. Took a few months to get (our FLGS previous GW supplier was a challenge in his own right). Through ebay and other Faustian deals and other bargaining, I was able to acquire several of the 10 woman squad boxes of which I still have 7 unopened with 1 of those never being opened for posterity. Well I'm not exactly thrilled about the amount of money I've dumped into the army, especially given the WD 'dex, it has helped my FLGS stay in business and that's good for something.
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Post by: N'Ferno
Kanluwen wrote:I'm just glad they finally got rid of that stupid Witchhunters tab and made it a Sisters of Battle section.
This.
If anything, it means GW will probably introduce new units with the future codex. Right now the entire army list is made of the same 5 or so models for everything. IN DROVES. Nowhere near enough to make up a decent army line... I just hope it's not other old metal stuff from what can be now considered the Dark Ages? It is after all GW we're talking about
I'm still waiting for the 2nd codex part in order to decide whether I'll continue hunting Ebay for models. I have quite a few sisters now but special/heavy weapons are hard to come by (at decent prices at least heh). At least I know I won't have trouble getting my WD, it's one of the few the GW shop orders in english separately (although I did get the current issue a few days after the french ones were delivered).
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Post by: Lynata
I'm just lucky I still managed to get a Banner Bearer back then. Strange that they did not at least put her up again, she seems to have been out of production for years now. :/
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Post by: Augustus
Total cost not including SnH comes to roughly 1450 USD.
BWa ha ha, 1500 dollars, who would do that, that's crazy, like what a car could cost, or a European plane ticket, or a mortgage payment?
For little men?
Sheesh.
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Post by: SabrX
Wow.. I think I have enough Sisters of Battle models to field Melissia's list! 
And that's using real Sisters of Battle Rhinos, not the converted SM ones.
*Checks again*
Drats! Short by 1 ugly Dialogous model.
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Post by: N'Ferno
Augustus wrote:
For little men?
Sheesh.
Little women! (well, mostly women)
SabrX wrote:
ugly Dialogous
She's not ugly, she's just sculpted that way!
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Post by: Holy_doctrine
And now I play the waiting game for a real codex.
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Post by: RandomSauce19
I don't know if you know but I recently got White Dwarf and it stated that Plastic Sisters were coming out and getting an update
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Post by: Holy_doctrine
RandomSauce19 wrote:I don't know if you know but I recently got White Dwarf and it stated that Plastic Sisters were coming out and getting an update
Plastic Sisters, sure. I'll place this right up there with the plastic Titan.
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Post by: Ratius
If the official GW publication states that they will be getting new models and an update why would you doubt it?
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Post by: UltraPrime
Holy_doctrine wrote:And now I play the waiting game for a real codex.
I'm tired of the waiting game - let's play Hungry Hungry Hippos...
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Post by: Holy_doctrine
UltraPrime wrote:Holy_doctrine wrote:And now I play the waiting game for a real codex.
I'm tired of the waiting game - let's play Hungry Hungry Hippos...
Thank you for the Simpsons quote
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Post by: andrewm9
RandomSauce19 wrote:I don't know if you know but I recently got White Dwarf and it stated that Plastic Sisters were coming out and getting an update
Care to quote that or were you just being sarcastic. I don't recall that being present in the article.
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Post by: mendrak
I just think of that, what if exorcist would be in squad of 1-3 that would suddenly gives us more option for the heavy slots no? I know I want mine to shoot different target but it could if use properly be interesting let say one squad of 2 than 3x PE then a 10 strong retributor squad.
That be cool!!!
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Post by: Melissia
Kroothawk wrote:Kanluwen wrote:I find it hard to believe that an army book from a White Dwarf will not be republished in its "entirety". It probably will be a few months and be missing the fluff, but isn't that how they did the Blood Angels PDF?
I find it hard to believe that GW makes the WD the center of all marketing and information and then let it sell out. But there you are!
"Here is the new Terrorgheist. Want to buy it?"
"What rules does it have?"
"They are in the new WD."
"Okay, let me see."
"It is sold out"
"???"
"Erm ... well, maybe GW will rerelease the rules in the future, but I can't guarantee that. Wanna buy the Terrorghest now?"
And this is why I think it's not all taht bad (still illegal, but not immoral) to upload screenshots of WD rules
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Post by: Tomb King
Melissia wrote:Kroothawk wrote:Kanluwen wrote:I find it hard to believe that an army book from a White Dwarf will not be republished in its "entirety". It probably will be a few months and be missing the fluff, but isn't that how they did the Blood Angels PDF?
I find it hard to believe that GW makes the WD the center of all marketing and information and then let it sell out. But there you are!
"Here is the new Terrorgheist. Want to buy it?"
"What rules does it have?"
"They are in the new WD."
"Okay, let me see."
"It is sold out"
"???"
"Erm ... well, maybe GW will rerelease the rules in the future, but I can't guarantee that. Wanna buy the Terrorghest now?"
And this is why I think it's not all taht bad (still illegal, but not immoral) to upload screenshots of WD rules
I got lucky and bought the last WD the LGS had. I was surprised they still had one as late as 8 august!
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Post by: Eumerin
Ratius wrote:If the official GW publication states that they will be getting new models and an update why would you doubt it?
Perhaps due to the fact that everyone else (including me) who's seen the most recent White Dwarf has failed to see anything in the magazine whatsoever indicating that there would be new Sisters miniatures (plastic or otherwise) on the way?
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Post by: terranarc
Oh hey, there weren't unique boxes of sisters for every FOC after all. Well now we know who's full of BS don't we
Also, very surprised that they're still metal. No plastic? Or perhaps that's a mistake as they just copy pasted the sister description from the old entries.
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Post by: SabrX
Wow... I should buy all the August WD in my store, wait for a couple of months, and auction them off on ebay. I won't make a difference for Sisters of Battle players, who'll by then had the online pdf, but it will matter to any VC players.
BRILLIANT! 
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Post by: Tomb King
SabrX wrote:Wow... I should buy all the August WD in my store, wait for a couple of months, and auction them off on ebay. I won't make a difference for Sisters of Battle players, who'll by then had the online pdf, but it will matter to any VC players.
BRILLIANT!
Why not just redo the vampire counts book and add them in and make them a little more durable in the character area. Vampires can wear armor you know.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Eumerin wrote:Perhaps due to the fact that everyone else (including me) who's seen the most recent White Dwarf has failed to see anything in the magazine whatsoever indicating that there would be new Sisters miniatures (plastic or otherwise) on the way?
GW Custome Service wrote:While these articles can in no way compare to a full blown codex, I feel that they will provide an adequate stop gap so that Sisters players such as us can play their army in the 5th edition of Warhammer 40,000 until a new codex can be written (along with new plastic miniatures being made ).
Read the previous page: GW customer service made an official statement that plastic sisters will come (don't think that this was mentioned in the WD though).
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Post by: Buzzsaw
Kroothawk wrote:Eumerin wrote:Perhaps due to the fact that everyone else (including me) who's seen the most recent White Dwarf has failed to see anything in the magazine whatsoever indicating that there would be new Sisters miniatures (plastic or otherwise) on the way?
GW Custome Service wrote:While these articles can in no way compare to a full blown codex, I feel that they will provide an adequate stop gap so that Sisters players such as us can play their army in the 5th edition of Warhammer 40,000 until a new codex can be written (along with new plastic miniatures being made ).
Read the previous page: GW customer service made an official statement that plastic sisters will come (don't think that this was mentioned in the WD though).
I'm not sure I would call that an "official" statement (unless you would apply such a label to the statements of, say, a regional manager as well). That said, I don't think anyone is doubting that there are plans to make plastic sisters, but that's like pointing out that at some point in the future the sun will consume the Earth.
Edit: by the by, the person who originally posted that response from GW (at least, as near as I can tell, from here), also said;
Inq_Eljer wrote:My 'reading between the lines' and conspiracy theories lead me to suspect that our beloved Sisters will need to get used to this WD whack-job codex for 2 to 4 years while they update the usual suspects following a 6th edition release. I'd get used to being underpowered now.
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Post by: DAaddict
Kroothawk wrote:Eumerin wrote:Perhaps due to the fact that everyone else (including me) who's seen the most recent White Dwarf has failed to see anything in the magazine whatsoever indicating that there would be new Sisters miniatures (plastic or otherwise) on the way?
GW Custome Service wrote:While these articles can in no way compare to a full blown codex, I feel that they will provide an adequate stop gap so that Sisters players such as us can play their army in the 5th edition of Warhammer 40,000 until a new codex can be written (along with new plastic miniatures being made ).
Read the previous page: GW customer service made an official statement that plastic sisters will come (don't think that this was mentioned in the WD though).
So file this promise next to the "Dark Eldar codex to be coming out soon... " promise that I believe was first made about 5 years ago.
Stand by my previous statement. They can make codexes until they are blue in the face, I will not start a sisters army until the sisters are plastic. I am not investing a fortune or hauling around a ton of lead.
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Post by: SabrX
Tomb King wrote:SabrX wrote:Wow... I should buy all the August WD in my store, wait for a couple of months, and auction them off on ebay. I won't make a difference for Sisters of Battle players, who'll by then had the online pdf, but it will matter to any VC players.
BRILLIANT!
Why not just redo the vampire counts book and add them in and make them a little more durable in the character area. Vampires can wear armor you know.
Because of a little thing called copy rights.
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Post by: Mythal
RandomSauce19 wrote:I don't know if you know but I recently got White Dwarf and it stated that Plastic Sisters were coming out and getting an update
Yes, of course. And I hear it announced the un-Squatting of Squats, too.
Can someone lock the thread, to avoid further trolling? The new information on the website has been pretty thoroughly discussed and there's not much else can be said until information from next month's White Dwarf reaches us.
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Post by: Dysartes
DAaddict wrote:I am not investing a fortune or hauling around a ton of lead.
How about a tonne of white metal?
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Post by: Kingsley
Dr Mathias wrote:I haven't played vanilla marines since 1993, so I don't know the answer to this: have generic Marines ever had anything taken out of their list or squatted, besides the RT stuff like jetbikes and Rapiers etc. ? Maybe 3rd ed. and on?
Yep. Veteran Skills, Apothecary Sergeants, Iron-Fathers, Terminator Command Squads, Reclusiarchs, Rites of Battle, cheap "Leader" HQs, various special characters, Tactical Squads with two special weapons, special and heavy weapons available in squads below ten guys, True Grit, bolt pistol and CCW Tacs, etc.
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Post by: Melissia
Five (monopoly) bucks says that in Cruddace's attempt to make Sisters more marinelike (IE, this WD codex), Sisters squads must have one heavy and one special weapon, no more two special weapons.
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And why the hell does the novel section list Enforcer instead of Faith and Fire?
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Post by: Lynata
Melissia wrote:And why the hell does the novel section list Enforcer instead of Faith and Fire?
Faith & Fire is currently out of stock. "Enforcer" was their next best thing, I guess. Which says a lot. 
I reckon (read: hope) this will change in a few months when Faith & Fire gets a reprint and Black & Red as well as Hammer & Anvil get released.
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
I saw a small clue in Robin Cruddace's SoB army they just posted.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=17700021a#
Since he wrote the darn thing it's interesting that one priest still has his flamer but the other lost his melta.
Maybe they will have some access to real guns?
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Post by: Dr Mathias
I honestly think that the bulk of Cruddace's army is quite old, and that he made few changes to it at all for the new WD codex- except the Command Squad which is unpainted. Even looking at that doesn't really give a lot of specifics.
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Post by: Melissia
It's the same army as on C:WH, page 61-62.
You know, the images they used to try to get C:WH players to buy more Space Marines.
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Post by: temprus
Sigh, it is not the same army. They both just used a white base and have red and black accent colors, not in same spots (reverse for the most part) and Crud's has metal/sliver trim, the WH codex has golden trim for the most part.
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Post by: Lord Harrab
Wow, i really want a sisters army, and have since i started this hobby, but at metal prices its just not feasible.
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Post by: Eumerin
Kroothawk wrote:Eumerin wrote:Perhaps due to the fact that everyone else (including me) who's seen the most recent White Dwarf has failed to see anything in the magazine whatsoever indicating that there would be new Sisters miniatures (plastic or otherwise) on the way?
Read the previous page: GW customer service made an official statement that plastic sisters will come (don't think that this was mentioned in the WD though).
Everyone knows that plastic Sisters are being worked on. Remember the rumor-quip that the ladies were being held up because of their clothes and hair (referring to the fact that the modelers were having trouble with their veils and hair)? But we've never seen a time-table for plastics, so we have no idea what their status is. And my above quote is a specific reference to White Dwarf. The individual who started that specific reply chain stated that White Dwarf says something about plastic Sisters when there's not one mention of them within the article.
In short, yes plastic Sisters are something that GW is apparently planning to release. But they've never given us a time table, it doesn't look like they're going to come out for this WD codex, and there's no mention of them whatsoever within this month's issue of White Dwarf.
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Post by: streamdragon
They'll probably come out alongside the tyranid second wave.
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Post by: Iggyrocksall
Wow I didnt notice!
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Post by: MightyGodzilla
streamdragon wrote:They'll probably come out alongside the tyranid second wave.
Tyranid second wave. That's a good one!
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Post by: Kreedos
They may be waiting to release new models and show them off in the battle report in the second half of white dwarf. I doubt they'd leave the army with no way to gather a troop choice except spend a crazy amount of money for blisters of 3, esp when they took the time to make a new codex in the first place, why wouldn't they want to profit more off of it? They could have just left the old box set of 10 on the site, I'm sure they have a ton sitting in a warehouse, there's not that many sisters players out there.
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Post by: Melissia
Kreedos wrote:I doubt they'd leave the army with no way to gather a troop choice except spend a crazy amount of money for blisters of 3
Why not? This is par for the course for GW's treatment of Sisters. Hell, it's already been this way for quite a few months now. No new models for this half-assed placeholder PDF/ WD ruleset. They're saving their new models for the REAL codex.
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Post by: Kreedos
Melissia wrote:Kreedos wrote:I doubt they'd leave the army with no way to gather a troop choice except spend a crazy amount of money for blisters of 3
Why not? This is par for the course for GW's treatment of Sisters. Hell, it's already been this way for quite a few months now.
No new models for this half-assed placeholder PDF/ WD ruleset. They're saving their new models for the REAL codex.
I honestly don't think this codex is half bad, the loss of rending and +3 nonsense is a bit of a hit, but we've gained more tools and utility over pure raw damage, and if the point totals are where I think they're going to be, I think the ruleset is going to be pretty decent, and I'm excited for a lot of the new changes, like not paying 58 points a Rhino.
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Post by: Melissia
And we've lost a lot of tools and utility too. Acts of Faith can only be used on your turn, and only one per unit, for example.
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Post by: pretre
@kreedos: Yay, way to drag this back to the surface!
Unless you want to drag us back through the whole thing again the best idea is just to wait and see.
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Post by: Eumerin
Kreedos wrote:They may be waiting to release new models and show them off in the battle report in the second half of white dwarf.
I could post at length on the issue and go into a decent level of analysis, but I've already learned from doing so elsewhere that there's not much point in trying when someone's entire argument boils down to, "Yeah, but they could put new Sisters models in the magazine next month," repeated ad infinitum. Suffice to say that if GW intended to sell new models, at bare minimum they wouldn't be showing off the models that were going to get replaced. That's not how GW does things.
Further, what little we know regarding the eventual plastic sisters suggests dynamically poseable plastic figures with flowing clothes (veils) and hair. Would *you* be wasting space playing up static metal figures with bobcuts if you were about to release something along the lines of what's mentioned in the previous sentence?
This codex isn't designed to sell models. It's designed to allow GW to claim with a straight face that they put out a new Sisters release in 5th edition, and remove a couple of troublesome elements that appeared when GW released the GK codex.
Also, next issue's focus is going to be on new Ogres stuff (we know this because this month's issue says so). This month's issue does *not* advertise a bunch of new Sisters models. Given the usual quantities of "Buy this new army!" stuff that always turn up, I'm surprised that there's going to be enough space for the already announced Sisters vs. Orks battle report.
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Post by: bean007
2 metlaguns are better, but for my side, i hope to know the SoB come in plastic kit and finecast! probably be a must.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Small speculation by Harry over at Warseer:
I can't remember exactly what I said but I don't think I ever knew when they were being released. I only knew for sure when they were started. (Which was soon after Grey Knights).
Given that I was expecting them any time now ... but then I didn't think too much about it ... maybe they were always planned as a longer project. (They are, after all, an army with no plastic kits).
What I know for sure is that both Codex and plastic kits have been worked on for a good while now.
I can only think of two reasons SOB are not being released ... and both of them are good news for SOB fans.
Either they were always a longer project because they are working on more plastic kits.
(So a bigger release than Grey Knights or both projects would have been a similar length)
OR
They were always part of a longer project ... like the 6th Edition release.
So in much the same way I heard and wrote in the Watchman rumours articles about the Skaven Clan rats and Storm vermin being done but they didn't appear for a couple more years as they were part of the Fantasy starter set ... when you know a plastic sisters kit exists but is not released experience would suggest this has to be a possibility worth considering.
So if they have not appeared yet either because they have a much wider range of plastics being done as OR because they will be included in the next starter set for a great kick start to a new army ... either way it is worth waiting a bit longer.
I wonder if it would kill GW to just tell us...
LOL
Apparently ... it would.
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Post by: TBD
OR maybe the kits simply weren't finished and GW isn't confident in their selling potential.
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Post by: SagesStone
Then they would simply hold them until the codex would be released to make more money that way. Rather than waste the new kits on a WD codex.
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Post by: TBD
n0t_u wrote:Then they would simply hold them until the codex would be released to make more money that way. Rather than waste the new kits on a WD codex.
Who says there will be new kits with this WD codex?
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Post by: SagesStone
No one clearly.
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Post by: TBD
So what exactly did you intend to say?
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Post by: streamdragon
Final piece of the "codex" comes out this Saturday. I expect we'll see scans/translations sometime this week before that. At least we'll be able to see exactly how bad the damage is finally.
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Post by: Melissia
Five internets says we'll not find as much improvement as people want in this, either.
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Post by: Pouncey
Melissia wrote:Five internets says we'll not find as much improvement as people want in this, either.
Yeah, you're probably right. But it may be best to let people like me cling to the hope that it won't be too bad, and let GW crush our dreams for us.
Oh, and I already don't have enough Sisters with bolters for my all-infantry 1,500 points list. I'm hoping points costs don't get lowered too badly for the bulk of the Sisters - though I wouldn't mind if Repentia points costs were lowered - cause I'm already plotting to start a Daemons army, and I don't need to have to go out and get more Battle Sisters, or use even MORE proxies.
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Post by: Kaime
I hope they drop the costs alot, I have 200 sisters models lying around that dont fit in my current force
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Post by: Marthike
200? Why?
What made you buy them? They look all the same anyway so why waste your army to buy that many if it's for hard boys then ok but for fun?
I don't see why it's fun to buy expensive single pose models.
Unless you want to have a huge sister force because you think it looks amazing.
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Post by: Kaime
Hehe I dont play hard boys (im not american), and I ended up buying a bunch second hand on a whim. Its the same reason you buy a titan or something isnt it?
I do want to field them all one day in apocalypse
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Post by: Pouncey
Kaime wrote:I hope they drop the costs alot, I have 200 sisters models lying around that dont fit in my current force
Mmm, can you imagine having more Sisters on the table than your horde opponent has Orks? :: drools :: So many boobs...
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Post by: Alkasyn
Dr Mathias wrote:I honestly think that the bulk of Cruddace's army is quite old, and that he made few changes to it at all for the new WD codex- except the Command Squad which is unpainted. Even looking at that doesn't really give a lot of specifics.
Well I think the specific piece of info we get is that they were too lazy to even paint a SHOWCASE army for their official website.
Imo, it desn't bode well for the Sisters.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Let me rephrase what Harry said:
1.) He knows of several plastic kits made for Sororitas.
2.) They are not released for the WD Codex
3.) They will come with the real Codex later.
4.) Reasons for the delay can be the amount of new plastic kits or them being included in the next starter box.
I am not interested in the WD Codex but wait for the real release.
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