... as posted on WarSeer

I don't think I was expecting a Defiler Variant for the "Daemon Engine".

While I'm sure it makes financial sense (using existing parts and all that), I'm still somewhat disappointed...

That link does have some other WFB model pics too, so of which are rather nice!

I LOVE IT!!!

That's like, halfway cool.
I mean, I see the daemon part and really like it, then my eye travels down to the Defiler chassis, and that big Defiler claw, and I feel sort of... meh. If this were a conversion by a gamer, I'd be very impressed. As an offering from the corporation, I am underwhelmed.

I think I just found an Iron Warrior Daemon Prince...

BYE

I must say that I'm underwhelmed by this one. I was expecting something with more guns than just an (apparent) pea-shooter on one arm.

Also, the fact that it's a normal defiler right up until the upright torso somewhat bugs me too.

i heard there were many weapon arms included in the box.
like a double handed sword and some gun hands.
personally i think it looks great lots of ideas just looking at this guy.
would make a kick ass deamon prince me thinks

I need 3 of these.

I like it!

Is it a metal model or a plastic one. My guess would be plastic, but if you notice there are a lot of subtle differences in the blades and the armor plates to be directly defiler sprues.

I like it better than the current defiler which can't quite decide if it's a tank, a centaur or a spider.

I like it, but it's not what I expected. More flesh than I thought.

I'm with Kyoto on it being better than the current defiler, which I think looks pants.Pity it doesn't look like the concept art, which was brilliant.

Another pic HERE with pics of the sprues HERE with the new Daemonette sprues.

I think it's great, reminds me of Doom. Techno-Daemons is way too cool to miss out, and this is the perfect centerpiece for one such army.

I might have to get it. :p

As of right now, that thread is about 6 pages long... and worth paging through.

There are more Daemonette images & a Herald of Slaanesh image and...

Well... It's worth paging through.

...and, does anyone know what the greenstuff sculpt is that's barely visible on the left side of this image?
http://i25.tinypic.com/2gufofq.jpg

It looks enormous!

Eric

MagickalMemories wrote:As of right now, that thread is about 6 pages long... and worth paging through.

There are more Daemonette images & a Herald of Slaanesh image and...

Well... It's worth paging through.

...and, does anyone know what the greenstuff sculpt is that's barely visible on the left side of this image?
http://i25.tinypic.com/2gufofq.jpg

It looks enormous!

Eric

As you said, it's worth paging through the thread on WarSeer

http://warseer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2363934&postcount=70

Cool, it looks like it takes the four legs and chassis of the defiler and uses this new sprue.

My guess is that it will be cheaper then the actual defiler, maybe 35-45?

Mahu wrote:Cool, it looks like it takes the four legs and chassis of the defiler and uses this new sprue.

My guess is that it will be cheaper then the actual defiler, maybe 35-45?

My guess is that it will be the same price, if not $5 more...

This would be an excellent defiler. It doesn't look like a demon though.

It's a Daemon-Engine, not a Daemon.

One has fleshy bits, claws and tentacles and teeth. One has fleshy bits, metal claws, tentecles and teeth. Subtle difference.

BYE

However, its my understanding the rest of the list is demons, hence a demon engine isn't as appropriate. On the positive my Shaggoths look like they'll work fine as stand in soulgrinders.

But this is an unbound Defiler, one that has escaped the shackles of its metal body, and headed back into the Warp to be away from the Marines that enslaved it.

But has probably kept it because it likes it. I mean, who wouldn't want to keep their spider-leg body and big claws?

BYE

bizarre - the bottom half is apparently just a slightly recut defiler with 6 legs and a few extra spikes.

the top half will certainly make a great demon prince conversion, if you can find some suitable legs. And I can see some people converting into into a standard defiler, although getting that big boy to hold a battlecannon might be a challenge

No Dr. Loveless joke? Seriously? You guys disappoint me.

Alpharius wrote:I don't think I was expecting a Defiler Variant for the "Daemon Engine".

While I'm sure it makes financial sense (using existing parts and all that), I'm still somewhat disappointed...

That link does have some other WFB model pics too, so of which are rather nice!

Every single rumor has mentioned it as an unbound defiler, why is that surprising?

I agree with HBMC, it also makes a really cool Daemon Prince.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Each half of that sculpt look good, but when you join the 2 of them without much transitional area, it just looks like a conversion someone did without much though.

It'll make a bangin' Iron Warriors prince with some modification (size reduction), though. I see one of these with just 2 legs (hacked to be digitigrade), or on 4 legs hacked to be more horselike for a centaur thingy, or on sentinel legs with Defiler pads.

Not into the subtle guns either, though.

MagickalMemories wrote:
...and, does anyone know what the greenstuff sculpt is that's barely visible on the left side of this image?
http://i25.tinypic.com/2gufofq.jpg

It looks enormous!

Eric

Probably the 3-up model of the Soulgrinder.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I like it better than the current defiler which can't quite decide if it's a tank, a centaur or a spider.

The current Defiler builds into a very nice Spider and a very decent Knight. It's a crappy Centaur, and a non-starter Tank.

Mahu wrote:My guess is that it will be cheaper then the actual defiler, maybe 35-45?

Haha. It will cost the same. Or more.

Clang wrote:bizarre - the bottom half is apparently just a slightly recut defiler with 6 legs and a few extra spikes.

the top half will certainly make a great demon prince conversion, if you can find some suitable legs. And I can see some people converting into into a standard defiler, although getting that big boy to hold a battlecannon might be a challenge

The Soulgrinder sprue is out, for the new forelegs and upper torso. The lower hull and rear 4 legs are carried over intact. There's no recut at all, just a sprue swap.

To Tragicnut, I think its mouth is suppose to be some sort of a cannon. Further down in the warseer thread (page3), Brimstone mentions the armaments that it has "two Dread close combat weapons, a harvester cannon and a Mawcannon that is upgradeable..."

Love it. If it had a bit more fleshiness down below and a bit more tech up above it would be perfect. If all the Chaos daemons looked this good I might actually play Chaos.

The new Khorne stuff looks awesome too, and major kudos for sculpting a Juggernaut that conveys a sense of motion. The new Daemonettes are still disappointing though.

I love that model, even thoughi ma be getting bored of m chaos arm, that will reinvigorate me

Agree with the Doom look; it appears as if the Cyberdemon and Spiderdemon had a baby. I'm still on the fence about it.

I am disappointeed. It looks pretty cool, but not nearly so neat as I had hoped.

I do foresee it being used in a mess of conversions though. It quite possibly will be used less for its intended function than it's numerous stand in possibilities.

<3

No idea where I'm fitting that in to an army, but my Khorne demons could surely deal with it? And its 2 brothers??

- Salvage

H.B.M.C. wrote:But this is an unbound Defiler, one that has escaped the shackles of its metal body, and headed back into the Warp to be away from the Marines that enslaved it.

But has probably kept it because it likes it. I mean, who wouldn't want to keep their spider-leg body and big claws?

BYE

I like it. i wouldn't mind seeing a choas space marine lord with those leg bitz too (ala sorpid from the Soul Drinkers..)

I'd say I was disappointed but I wasn't expecting anything. The plastic Bloodletters, on the other hand, look like they're worth a pack or two at a discounter.

I would love to see this thing converted to carry an Inquisitor scale bolter. That would look so great.

Well sculpted but uninspiring. Really pushes the mechanical centaur thing and doesn't bring anything new to the table. Not sure what I was hoping for, but this wasn't it.

It's not BAD, but it's not GREAT either.

Well I wonder how much it will cost. It might be cheaper for me to get a defiler and convert it, than buy one from GW.

I enjoy it. A very cool Iron Warriors daemon prince possibility. I think with some conversion work he could be much more awe inspiring than he actually is.

-GWP

Better than I expected, actually. I was expecting a defiler with some spawn tentacles sticking out of it. Makes me glad I sold my soul to chaos.

In my never ending quest to avoid getting anything done at work, here are all the various pics I've managed to find so far.

Shouts out to Mr. Baephomael for these : the Slaanesh "guy" is the Masque.


















Thanks to Captain Sanchez for some of these, and to all the other crazy guys and gals who went and snapped.

























Love the sword option on the Soulgrinder, bit "hmmm" about the font on the demon text/logo. Beast of Nurgle looks better there too.

and a few more random pics from the whole GD Spain event :





The "meet Juan Diaz" appears to be in someones garage or possibly an underground carpark it would seem.





oOOHH !!!! Display cabinets.

Jesus Mike, these pics are pretty poor so far, isn't there anything here tha might grab out attention ?




Ah, that'll do it. Bet they didn't travel by bus. . I like the absolute focus in the eyes of the guy on the right too ! One day he will hurt someone, and really enjoy doing it too.









GW are getting a bit out of control with their plastic kits perhaps ?








Nice conversion there.
The following took either Gold or Bronze..... the original post and Google Translation are are bit unclear.







Reassuring to see that wargamers all over the world : A pose crapply for piccies, and B : have appalling haircuts. Guy in the middle with THE fringe is my new hero. One day we will meet, and after I've killed him I shall dance in the moonlight wearing his skin as a cloak.




And one for the road I guess

Caption compettition here perhaps ?

You the man, Reds. Digging soulgrinder, beefy reptilian flesh hounds (minus the frills), new fiend, Harry, the look of the demon army all together in that spearhead, and the non-28mm demonette chicks. NOT digging the 28mm demonettes, any of the demon characters shown or that the soulgrinder is apparently not pose-able? That last one hurts, but Mr. GS could make my demon engine swarm a little less identical ...

- Salvage

More than anything I'd like alternate heads for the Soulgrinder, it doesn't look like any of the existing Defiler heads would fit there.

Agree with you there, was saying the same thing to my bro last night. Does GeeDub really not intend to sell 3 of these to every (one of the relatively few) new demon player out there? Or just assume demonic generals like their infinitely variable and endlessly transmutating troops to look the same?

For shame, though I keep in mind that FW has promised demon engines (likely based on the defiler kit as well), so we'll see.

- Salvage

The daemonettes are hilarious! Can you imagine the reaction they'd garner in the Puritan US of A?

Reminds me of a transvestite I saw one dressed like a Dark Eldar Wych, actually.

I assume the pics don't break forum rules then ? Did cross my mind how sensitive you oh-so-delicate septics can be.

The Daemonette costumes are pretty inspired, although you'd need an airbrush to get it right. Maybe if I start talking my girlfriends up to it now I'll have a treat for Hallowe'en...

reds8n wrote: I assume the pics don't break forum rules then ? Did cross my mind how sensitive you oh-so-delicate septics can be.

Well I for one assume I'll be fired any minute now ...

Though I note, upon fourth inspection, the big foamy crap claws they've got going on. Wonder how I completely missed those the first few times :S

- Salvage

Boss_Salvage wrote:
Well I for one assume I'll be fired any minute now ...

Oh, Mr. Yakface finally told you did he ?

Oh, thank god for looser european morals.

The daemonettes have claws?!?!

For the vision-impaired:

So Karanak = flesh hound hero? The one with all the spikes? Might have to invest in some new hounds, wonder if GeeDub would take my old unbuilt ones for trade?

And AGAIN liking the grinder, damn is it big.

- Salvage

reds8n wrote: I assume the pics don't break forum rules then ? Did cross my mind how sensitive you oh-so-delicate septics can be.

I figure since they're based off of GW miniatures it's fine.

Boss_Salvage wrote:

reds8n wrote: I assume the pics don't break forum rules then ? Did cross my mind how sensitive you oh-so-delicate septics can be.

Well I for one assume I'll be fired any minute now ...

Though I note, upon fourth inspection, the big foamy crap claws they've got going on. Wonder how I completely missed those the first few times :S

- Salvage

Maybe you missed it cause you weren't looking at their hands.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

So let's see, quick rundown.

The chaos daemon spearhead comes with

1 codex
1 big model
10 models of Khorne
10 models of Slaanesh
6 more models for Khorne
1 token Nurgle
1 more model for Slaanesh
1 more model for Khorne
"Karanak"
"The Masque"
1 more model for Nurgle

So,
1 big model
17 models for Khorne
11 models for Slaanesh
2 token models for Nurgle, and
2 models for a god to be named later

Once again, Tzeentch got Tzcrewed.

I think the Masque is the Slaaneshi Herald.

Platuan4th wrote:I think the Masque is the Slaaneshi Herald.

So,
1 big model
17 models for Khorne
12 models for Slaanesh
2 token models for Nurgle, and
1 model for a god to be named later (probably Khorne)

Again, Tzeentch gets Tzcrewed.

Indeed. And yet, I'll still buy it if I have the monies.

Boss_Salvage wrote:Agree with you there, was saying the same thing to my bro last night. Does GeeDub really not intend to sell 3 of these to every (one of the relatively few) new demon player out there? Or just assume demonic generals like their infinitely variable and endlessly transmutating troops to look the same?

Umm...just use GW's bitz service and convert it if that's what you want. Duh.

Oh, wait a minute...

aaaahhh....salt in the wound....

There's some more pics here

Some a bit touristy but hey-ho.

Think the Carnifex is what took the Slayer Sword at GDUK last year.

here also

300 Demonettes <- in response to the heavy airbrushing


So there aren't plans for a plastic demon prince, are there? Cause I can only think that would be a good move on GeeDub's part (as long as it had wings!), as well as a pretty fun kit.

- Salvage

Boss_Salvage wrote:

So there aren't plans for a plastic demon prince, are there?

Yes, quite advanced along from what I hear, but I've no idea of a release date.

The sketches in ^^ pics though look to me like old ones for the current DP. Isn't there a date on them somewhere that confirms this ?

Well then!

The DP sketch in that batch of pics is dated 01/28/02 it looks like. I was hoping for a plastic version of that, personally. I like the hulking ex-power armor prince myself, with big crushy hands of destruction, not something akin to the gangly metal princes that used to comprise the fantasy DP "kit."

- Salvage

I hate GW so much right now.

That Un-Defiler is....

I hate them so much for making me WANT to spend money I don't have.

I hate you GW!

*sob*

reds8n wrote: There's some more pics here

Some a bit touristy but hey-ho.

Think the Carnifex is what took the Slayer Sword at GDUK last year.

here also

some nice shots of barcalona in that lot , i went in december its a great city , i think i will try and go again if they have the next games day their.

I think the Soulgrinder is GW testing the waters for a possible Codex: Defiler Kingdoms.

Some rumoured fantasy stats

Bloodletters
M5 WS5 BS0 S6 T3 W1 I4 A1 Ld7
Daemonic, KB, MR 1, Hellblade

US 10+
They have 2 special banners.
If Khorne herald enters the unit, he gaves them hatred.

Herald of Khorne 115 pts
M5 WS7 BS0 S6 T4 W2 I6 A3 Ld8

Daemonic, MR 1, Hatred, KB, Locus of Khorne
may ride Juggernauth or Chariot of Khorne, and has access to 7 new gifts.

Seems alright...although I splutter at S6 for fantasy troops ! The Herald boosting the stats sounds plausible--look at the note next to the Nurgle Herald

Couple more snaps shouts out to Marx666 (... :? ?)

reds8n wrote:Some rumoured fantasy stats

Bloodletters
M5 WS5 BS0 S6 T3 W1 I4 A1 Ld7
Daemonic, KB, MR 1, Hellblade

US 10+
They have 2 special banners.
If Khorne herald enters the unit, he gaves them hatred.

Herald of Khorne 115 pts
M5 WS7 BS0 S6 T4 W2 I6 A3 Ld8

Daemonic, MR 1, Hatred, KB, Locus of Khorne
may ride Juggernauth or Chariot of Khorne, and has access to 7 new gifts.

Seems alright...although I splutter at S6 for fantasy troops ! The Herald boosting the stats sounds plausible--look at the note next to the Nurgle Herald

Wow, S6 KB with hatred

I can only assume these guys are gonna cost some serious points? Or if nothing else, they've got T3 and eat jezzail / ratling gun like every other naked 5+ demonic save combat nutter

- Salvage

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:I think the Soulgrinder is GW testing the waters for a possible Codex: Defiler Kingdoms.

QFT, and I'm so all over that

- Salvage

I'll be getting one for my nurgle marines... but Is it just me or does the new defiler look out of place in warhammer FB?

this Masque model are awesome !)

Damn, those Chaos Hounds are old-school!
I expected the next picture to be Arbaal the Undefeated (if thats is proper english name) to come around and go for a walk with them.

But all those models don't really thrill be at all. Are the Plaguebearers even different?

Greets
Schepp himself

No they're not different, and that's probably the point. They're not doing any Nurgle plastics, at least not for a while, so in the meantime they've released this new metal command group to fit with the new rules, and they've made sure that they look like the current Plague Bearers so that they fit in.

BYE

that soulgrinder is fantastic!

the flesh hounds are pretty crappy and they are super old school. I like the bloodletters a lot though, very cool.

Harry the Hammer has a nice sun-tan. That bit of flesh showing in his leg is just... bad.

I liked the model... :sob:

These models are looking great, i wonder if Forge world have anything planned to support this release ?

Would be nice to see a forgeworld lord of change !

Question: When are the Bloodletters getting released? Do we have a date for them yet?

It looks like the new Fleshhounds bear the Mark of Morley. Why does Gary Morley get to keep on making minis?

penek wrote:This Masque model is not awesome!

Fixed your typo.

Mr. Morley parted company with GW a while back actually, just before the High Elf book AFAIK.

this is his website.

The guy who had been sculpting the FW Greater Demons left to go and work for WETA, but according to the FW guys I spoke to at Games Day, he specifically askedto be allowed to finish the range so there is a Lord of Change a'comin'. Presumably an unproofread one that.... aaahh... you see where I'm going to go with that.

Somebody was asking about the green 3-up of the Soulgrinder.

Here it is;

"Would be nice to see a forgeworld lord of change ! "

I read that it is in the works and that the same artist that did the firs tthree will do the lord of change, which would be great!

Finally, GW has done the impossible and given Skulltaker the right amount of skulls as befits his status of a taker of skulls.

The Serious Sam Defiler is okay, I guess. I'll probably have to buy a different head, but what do you do?

Anyone know if the Slanni Trannie is carrying Malal's mask on his/her majorette baton?

Does anyone know of a list of the prices that correspond with the "band" letters on GW's sneak peak sheets (preferably in $ )?

I've been trying to guess at the prices listed for the daemons, but assuming they are labled alphabetically in ascending order, I am having a tough time making them make sense.

Of everything GW has released in the way of models in the last year, this one is the most beautiful. Lol. It is crazy. I love it. It makes sense too. And H.B.M.C im with you on that maiking a perfect Iron Warrior daemon prince.

Is it just me, or is one of those daemonettes missing a boob? So we go from 6 boobs to 1 or no boobs! What the hell, man.

Jester wrote:Anyone know if the Slanni Trannie is carrying Malal's mask on his/her majorette baton?

Slanni Trannie... ROFL. Please, let's all refuse to refer to that model by any other name.

The deamonette plastics aren't as bad as I thought they were, upon second glance. They just don't have the awesome dancing poses that the last (er, current) edition models do.

And on a side note, that Autarch bust is amazing. If FW want a big money-maker, they'd buy that puppy and cast it up pronto.

EDIT: Upon reviewing Gary Morley's site, I was surprised at how many minis that I _like_ were sculpted by his hand. I guess his record may be better than I had thought. And lest I seem too mushy, I am hoping that the current round of GW ship-jumping pulls the Morrisons along with it, too. A few decent sculpts do not make up for a vast swathe of terribly distorted proportions, buck-toothed daemons, and ridiculous poses.

yeah...
Couple of questions?
Why's he called a soul grinder? i see no grinding apparatus on him...
No tracks to grind you under etc... just lots of spiky stuff... Soul Stabby half deamon machine thing..?

Has anyone comfirmed if this codex stands alone... as in not compatable with the CSM codex...
Because with out marines about to have bound him to a defiler , and then he breaks out, I really don't see where all the machinery bits are coming from?

yeah...

Yes.
Teeth. File some down so he can chew.
Yes, stabby-stabby.
No.
Chaos. It's custard falling from the sky. It's a- an arm that turns into a sword. It's the ability to cut open your arm and mice pour out rather than blood.
Right.

Panic wrote:yeah...
Couple of questions?
Why's he called a soul grinder? i see no grinding apparatus on him...
No tracks to grind you under etc... just lots of spiky stuff... Soul Stabby half deamon machine thing..?

Wha...?!?

Did you just ask for a LOGICAL reason why:

1) A Daemon machine thingy could exist without the presence of Chaos Marines and
2) GW would put something out there that potentially might not make much sense?

Panic wrote:
Has anyone comfirmed if this codex stands alone... as in not compatable with the CSM codex...
Because with out marines about to have bound him to a defiler , and then he breaks out, I really don't see where all the machinery bits are coming from?

yeah...

I don't think there's been 100% confirmation that CSM CANNOT ally with Codex: Daemon forces, but I think we're at something like 95% confirmation that they can't...???

stonefox wrote:Chaos. It's custard falling from the sky. It's a- an arm that turns into a sword. It's the ability to cut open your arm and mice pour out rather than blood.

It's not taking a heavy weapon unless you have at least 10 men in your squad lest you violate the Chaos Codex Astartes (which is just like the regular Codex Astartes except it is renegade and stuff so it has horns but it doesn't have rending).

Panic wrote:Because with out marines about to have bound him to a defiler , and then he breaks out, I really don't see where all the machinery bits are coming from?

Me neither. I can think of a few explanations though.

One possibility is that GW plans to release an entire line of Possessed Vehicles Gone Wild. In future editions we may see new sprues for use with the Predator, Vindicator, Land Raider, and Rhino kits to create the entire menagerie of daemonic vehicles. By 7th edition you will be able to transport your titless daemonettes around the battlefield in style with unbound possessed Rhinos (a.k.a. Soul Guzzlers)!

Another possibility is that Codex: Chaos Daemons will include some new fluff to explain what the hell a Soul Grinder is doing in a daemon army. Like maybe, in the waning days of the 13th Black Crusade, Sarth Didious, King of the Defilers, betrays Abaddon and executes Order 666 which causes all the Defilers on Cadia to go apeshit and join the Chaos Daemons (which are a separate army from the Chaos Space Marines). Which ties in to...

...the last possibility - that they're releasing the Soul Grinder to test the waters in anticipation of Codex: Defiler Kingdoms (tentative 6th edition release). Much like how daemons were taken out of C:CSM and made into their own army, Defilers and Soul Grinders would be spun off to create Defiler Kingdoms. GW would then release more sprues for use with the Defiler kit, allowing us to create all the myriad types of Defiler. Expect sprues to make Khorne Defilers, Slaanesh Defilers, Nurgle Command Defilers on Palanquin, Fat Defilers, Female Defilers, Ninja Defilers (direct only), Pirate Defilers, Out-of-Gas Defilers, and Pegasus Defilers (Defilers riding Pegasuses). The LatD will also be re-imagined and will appear in altered form as the Gnob Gobblers, the diminutive mutant helpers of the Defiler Kingdom army. Sarth Didious will appear as a special character.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:It's not taking a heavy weapon unless you have at least 10 men in your squad lest you violate the Chaos Codex Astartes (which is just like the regular Codex Astartes except it is renegade and stuff so it has horns but it doesn't have rending).

Not so!

Chaos allows for the heretical numbers of 6, 7, 8, and even *9* marines to form a unit. Not just 5 or 10. Truly, this is amazing stuff!

Yeesh. They're Chaos Space Marines, not Munchkin Space Marines.

Well at least the Deomnette claws seem nice conversion material for Nids.

Thank you Abadabadoobuddy, you gave me a good laugh!

Kotrin wrote:Thank you Abadabadoobuddy, you gave me a good laugh!

Agreed!

I see the Soulgrinder, and while I think it's cool, I see the defiler legs and it makes me want to buy a deflier kit and make my own custom Soulgrinder.

Alpharius wrote:Did you just ask for a LOGICAL reason why:

1) A Daemon machine thingy could exist without the presence of Chaos Marines and

Back in the Good Old Days, the Chaos Squats made all of the Daemon Engines.