So, this time, little converting - and little different take on the painting.

I will paint my Terminators as Blood Angels, but have some little tricks and plans and a very very RED scheme in mind. There will be tons of saturation and color depth. You are invited to follow the progress here. I will now withdraw to secret location in the neighboring country and shall return with all the base colors and tricks done on the Terminators on tuesday and then paint them here one individual at a time as the true heros deserve.

Then I will counter that with a very GREEN scheme and also, surprise surprise a little different take on the Stealers.

I've been excited about this since the 1980s :lol, never had a chance to play the game as my friends big brother and his mates thought it was too good to show us pains in the ass - but 20 years later, having opened my box yesterday, I have one adjective about the models.

REVOLUTIONARY!

This marks the start of a totally new era in citadel miniature design - finally!. Alex Hedström being their most talented CAD scuptor and possible the most talented sculptor anyway (though Nelson and Diaz are right up there, and Jes is a LegenD) has finally been given a platform to showcase the benefits.

These models are testament to what computers can add to sculpting plastic miniatures that need to come out of the mold. The method of sculpting remains the same, human hand sculpting away or adding material to create in essence three dimensional pixels, and digitally "proof reading" that is comes out of the mold gives a totally unprecedented level of detail and sharpness!

A painters dream

I've also devoured all of the WD coverage and have a group of hobbyists all eager to get gaming, among them one true veteran who played all the original editions and loves to make a big deal about it and is awfully religious about it all.

I hope you find this blog useful and fun (not that fun isn't useful too), it will include painting tips and opinions as well as hopefully some of Hammer's Battle Reports, unless he is active and makes his own blog.

Great. I am as excited about another blog of yours as you are about the game and the figs hehe Im looking forward to it!

Well,well another blog by Migs,I am most sure they'll scramble my brains as the others did(That sounds bad,but they scramble 'em because your blogs are AWESOME!).

Seeing you go to town on detailed miniatures with your attention to detail and great painting skill will be a treat!Can't wait for the first pics!

I can't wait.

I've been wanting to get on my Space Hulk stuff, but so many other projects are holding me back, so it'll be nice to see someone with your level of talent tackle them first.

If they will be anywhere near as good as your Alpharius conversions then I'm sigging now ^^

I look forward to seeing the progress! Get started already!

On that note, I REALLY want to start mine as well (but I'm boring and will be painting them exactly how they are on the box), but I have to goto the girlfriends cottage with her family for the long weekend. Good thing I've plenty of WH40K related reading material!

I've spent the last few days cutting out and cleaning mine. The terminators are truly stunning and, as you say, a brilliant example of CAD work. I'm not so keen on some of the more road-kill stealer poses though, so I'll be interested to see if you can change my mind about them

Looking forward to this one - the studio models were technically flawlessly painted but they were missing a spark of something, and I found them a bit bland. I'm keen to see what you do with them

Ohh, can't wait for your take.

sA

Well, Space Hulk and Migsula in one thread.
You know I just couldn't stay away from this one...

I think a new rule should be in place for Migsula and that is:

You cannot start a blog unless you are at least 25% or more into the painting process!!!

I hate waiting for updates as I am a very impatient person!

I love your work and can hardly wait to see what you do with the Terminators and Genestealers.

can't wait... i'm getting my space hulk tomorrow but i am not sure if i wanna paint them as blood angels or flesh tearers.. just can't decide.. maybe migsulas excellent paintjob will make my choice easier =)

I'll be strapping myself in come Tuesday. I can't wait to see how you paint these guys Migs. I agree with all your comments re: Revolutionary!

Bring on Tuesday!

Cheers
Dave

This is one of those times I wish I owned a time machine.Damn I want an update .

Will you be doing some battle reports for your SH adventure?

cant wait to see it painted

I'm getting my copy of the game today; can't wait to see what you'll do with these models. Tuning in on tuesday!

tagsta wrote:can't wait... i'm getting my space hulk tomorrow but i am not sure if i wanna paint them as blood angels or flesh tearers.. just can't decide.. maybe migsulas excellent paintjob will make my choice easier =)

Personally, Id love to see them as Flesh Tearers. Great alternative.
You should definately go with it!!

How do you over saturate a mini?

Really looking forward to seeing how you do with these figs Mig. Always a pleasure to follow your work.

Flachzange wrote:

tagsta wrote:can't wait... i'm getting my space hulk tomorrow but i am not sure if i wanna paint them as blood angels or flesh tearers.. just can't decide.. maybe migsulas excellent paintjob will make my choice easier =)

Personally, Id love to see them as Flesh Tearers. Great alternative.
You should definately go with it!!

there's always Blood Ravens? they use librarians lots, and you get one in the box

Flachzange wrote:

tagsta wrote:can't wait... i'm getting my space hulk tomorrow but i am not sure if i wanna paint them as blood angels or flesh tearers.. just can't decide.. maybe migsulas excellent paintjob will make my choice easier =)

Personally, Id love to see them as Flesh Tearers. Great alternative.
You should definately go with it!!

did the one with the lightning claws in flesh tearers colors.. and will also do a regular one in BA colors and post a poll.. but i think i might go for flesh tearers....


anyways... didnt mean to hijack mig's thread, so sorry about that!
can't wait to see pictures

This is going to be good!!!

Can't wait to see! You should be as specific as possible when outlining your BA painting techniques!

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, i like the sound of this

I am defenately watching this thread! I need some inspiration for the paint jobs of my Space Hulk minis, I also agree, the terminators are awesome!

Subscribed

Gotta subscribe to this one!

Holy Grox guys - no pressure,

Well, the project is well on the way.

1. primed them German Grey with Tamiya
2. added careful Vallejo liquid mask for chipping
3. reprimed with a lovely, metallid dark red, called Tamiya Mica Red
and
4. follow with Tamiya Italian Red, super bright, "ferrari" red spray applied at about 45degree angle from 20cm above the models (front and back)
this is where I am currently, the figs looking like they had a bath in fresh blood - quite fitting I would say, then
5. revealing the chipping

and picking up the brush and vallejo paints I hope paint sticks nicely to this Tamiya spray, and the chipping comes off as well as on the test piece.

I will aim for a sinister, but super red look, with old skool GW core, but realistic toppings (chipping, rust, oil stains, blood spatter)

When I get home, I will rebuild the bases with detail work. I intend to keep the same shpaes, but just add a lot of detail - here GW really bailed out. Imagine how cool it would've been, if each mini actually had their own unique, separate part, finedetailed base.eh

Pics tomorrow evening my friends! (though nothing too exciting yet, I am afraid.)

Ah, you're trying out what I've been doing on a larger scale with the airbrush. The mask will give you much finer control over the chipping and quite a different look for fitting for agents of the Imperium, I'd guess. These should come out quite well.

Sounds like an interesting technique your using, interested to see how the metallic works with matt paint over the top.

Looking forward to pics!

Cheers,

Dante

I've never heard of Vallejo liquid mask, is that what it's designed for? Is it difficult to chip off?

Yep, its designed for pretty much this purpose. It peels off quite easily when rubbed with some poster tac or an eraser.

I'm looking forward to this, definitley subscribing.

Just a tip on those tamiya sprays, I experimented with them in the past and found that they weren't really ideal for painting over. The paint sort of slid off of them if that makes any sense, instead of having good tooth like painting over a primer. To remedy this however if you give them a light dusting of something like testors dull cote it will not only bring down their shine a bit but provide some more tooth for painting over. This was my experience, if you can get away without having to do that all the better but I know I personally found them a bit unfriendly to paint over in acrylics.

migsula wrote:

3. reprimed with a lovely, metallid dark red, called Tamiya Mica Red
and
4. follow with Tamiya Italian Red, super bright, "ferrari" red spray applied at about 45degree angle from 20cm above the models (front and back)
this is where I am currently, the figs looking like they had a bath in fresh blood - quite fitting I would say, then
and picking up the brush and vallejo paints I hope paint sticks nicely to this Tamiya spray, and the chipping comes off as well as on the test piece.

GumbaFish wrote:Just a tip on those tamiya sprays, I experimented with them in the past and found that they weren't really ideal for painting over. The paint sort of slid off of them if that makes any sense, instead of having good tooth like painting over a primer. To remedy this however if you give them a light dusting of something like testors dull cote it will not only bring down their shine a bit but provide some more tooth for painting over. This was my experience, if you can get away without having to do that all the better but I know I personally found them a bit unfriendly to paint over in acrylics.

Please let us know if this works. My experience matches Gumbafish's. Great colors from Tamiya, but hard to paint over.

btw -- nice thread. almost two pages and no pics

good luck and take care

A bit late to the thread, but have to say I completely agree on your assessment of the models there Migs, got my hands on them at a GW local store a couple of weeks back. They do indeed herald a new era in miniature CAD sculpting. So much so, I am going to be even MORE critical of GW models in future since we have seen now what they can really do.

Look forward to the results of your painting system and a more visceral terminator scheme. Don't cut yourself on the stealer claws, happening a lot among my hobby pals, I guess there is a price for great detail

best!
Tael.

GumbaFish wrote:Just a tip on those tamiya sprays, I experimented with them in the past and found that they weren't really ideal for painting over. The paint sort of slid off of them if that makes any sense, instead of having good tooth like painting over a primer. To remedy this however if you give them a light dusting of something like testors dull cote it will not only bring down their shine a bit but provide some more tooth for painting over. This was my experience, if you can get away without having to do that all the better but I know I personally found them a bit unfriendly to paint over in acrylics.

I was expecting something like this might be an issue based on how solid and slippery the finish feels. I even voiced my fears to a few experienced friends - so I am very thenkful for the tip. I'll keep you guys posted.

Migsula,
I'd like to make one small suggestion concerning rebuilding the bases.
Currently the models' shoulders, eyeline, direction of weapon and base edges are all over the place.
While this does give the models stacks of dynamism it actually makes playing the game somewhat harder.
Check the facings of the models and build the bases up to 'square' perpendicular to either the eyeline, shoulders, eyeline or direction of weapon (just be consistent).
What with the models' facing being rather important in Spacehulk it would make it a bit more instantly obvious where the model is looking.

I'm really looking forward to this keep us posted.

This sounds like its going to be amazing. Can't wait for the fist piccies!

Look forward to the results of your painting system and a more visceral terminator scheme. Don't cut yourself on the stealer claws, happening a lot among my hobby pals, I guess there is a price for great detail

QFT, those things freaking HURT!

Alex Kolodotschko wrote:Migsula,
I'd like to make one small suggestion concerning rebuilding the bases.
Currently the models' shoulders, eyeline, direction of weapon and base edges are all over the place.
While this does give the models stacks of dynamism it actually makes playing the game somewhat harder.
Check the facings of the models and build the bases up to 'square' perpendicular to either the eyeline, shoulders, eyeline or direction of weapon (just be consistent).
What with the models' facing being rather important in Spacehulk it would make it a bit more instantly obvious where the model is looking.

I'm really looking forward to this keep us posted.

Yes it's a good suggestion! I am considering adding a stylized "facing" shape on the bases.


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Ok - Baal, we have a problem - trying out new things is adventurous.

As discussed, Tamiya spray posing problems. Tried both washes and paints, both react adversely. Going to try thinned Johnson Clear layer, before moving to GW ard coat dusting...

But, the base color itself is nice, and the revealing chipped effect works nicely and will be an absolute pleasure to define with paint. I also need to start work on the bases soon. With facing indicators as discussed.

Few images - nothing exciting like I warned. But see on the image, how the models in the middle, under the spotlight appear more orange! The basecoat has a really nice reaction to light. I hope to maintain some of that through the process.

MOAR!!!!

great project Migsula and some really interesting ideas.

I can't wait to see how this progresses, I'm sure its going to be an absolute joy to watch grow!

Holy Horus's Balls that is a red the puts a ferrari to shame!

cant wait to see more

Lush. In fact, luscious. That combination of reds really is glorious. So deep, but really vibrant. I hope the suggested technique will give the coat enough "tooth" for the next stages of painting.

Yeah, that really is a spicy red. Should be a good base to start of with. How thick is the red really though? It kinda looks tremendously thick, but I think thats due to the shine. The reaction caused is also interesting.

this process of red has really interested me. Where did you get the ferrari red? Is it a model paint, or actual automotive paint. It seems very very shiny heheh. I dont want to be a pain but an actual layout, or step by step would be really awesome on a spare piece of plastic or what ever. Hope you are able to solve your problems.

Flachzange wrote:Yeah, that really is a spicy red. Should be a good base to start of with. How thick is the red really though? It kinda looks tremendously thick, but I think thats due to the shine. The reaction caused is also interesting.

It's the gloss, it's very thin actually, seems to cope very well with detail - more so than GW PRIMERS - but the shine really makes it look thick, as there is a reflection at the base of each detail! (When I'm done, it will be a matte shade at the base of each detail)

migsula wrote:... the shine really makes it look thick, as there is a reflection at the base of each detail! (When I'm done, it will be a matte shade at the base of each detail)

I was going to ask about that, it really looks like the model detail is obscured by thick paint.

Bummer. When I read the title I though you were going to build a gaming table, now it's only a painting blog

Looking forward to the finished version migs.

Very nice vibrant red.I will be very interested to see how this progresses,give us an update soon!

The red looks good so far. I also especially like the pimp cane the Librarian has.

SoG

Interesting technique. Now I know what you meant about the red being RED... Do you think you'll able to keep the shiny effect after highlighting and shading and stuff?

That red is so vibrant. Really good looking atm. I really hope that you can get the paint to work. Good luck!!

I am intrigued. I was kinda disappointed that you weren't building up a red using your usual techiques, as I wanted to steal them for my own figs But that red is so deep and vibrant at the same time, I can see why you are trying this route. Also looking forward to how you tackle the stealers.

I have used Tamiya sprays and ran into the same issue. I used testors dull coat and that added enough teeth to to allow paint to flow nomally. Have done the same with woodstained figs also. So basically seconding others experiences. Dunno if that would work with your planned washes but it is something to try.

That spray although nice in color looks like it would add to much extra work rather than saving you time as a spray on color should . I think I would rather work up my reds from a white or black primer than work with that stuff .

though I cant wait to see what you do with these models .

Those are very red indeed, I know I bought a can of that mica red not knowing it was sort of a candy metallic and boy was I glad I used a test piece first! I hope giving them a dusting of dull cote or something similar works for you, those look even shinier than the colors I experimented with. In the end as others pointed out I found the tamiya sprays to be more of a bother than a time saver, but I hope your experience is better as that is definately an interesting take on red I would like to see materialize into a finished product.

slann wrote:That spray although nice in color looks like it would add to much extra work rather than saving you time as a spray on color should .

Why? It took all of 2 sets of ten minutes to apply?

TODAY

I am torn between the testor and GW, as people have tried the first, but I would want to hold on to some of the sheen, and have manual control on how much want it to be seen...

hmmm...

and I haven't got the chance to screw up really.

migsula wrote:

Why? It took all of 2 sets of ten minutes to apply?

I am torn between the testor and GW, as people have tried the first, but I would want to hold on to some of the sheen, and have manual control on how much want it to be seen...

You could always hit it with the testors dull cote, work the models then come back with a ard coat or similar painted on for maximum control.

Your plan may also work -- why not take some sorta throwaway fig and try it out on that? Gotta have an extra space marine lying around, or really any model.

What did you do to that Librarian!!!! Why does he have a wiffle ball for an axe-head! Sacrilege!

He is Epistolary Pimp

Completely dont understand the painting method being used , but looking forward to the results.

That is a tricky problem them if you want to retain control over the contrast between shine and matte on the mini. I haven't bought a gw overcoat spray in probably 10 years so I can't comment as to how effective it would be. I haven't tried it for this application, nor am I sure if it is available where you live but I know krylon makes a product called crystal clear that is like an artist/craft overcoat that I believe may come in a satin finish which could be a compromise.

Or as suggested if you used a matte spray you could re work the shine by using something like ard coator the vallejo equivalent, or potentially even a clear polyurethane (though prone to potential long term ambering, given these are red this may not be a huge issue).

I'm interested in the use of the liquid mask for chipping. I think I get most of it, it goes on between the grey and red undercoats so when you "uncover"/pull it off it shows the grey underneath and provides the base for your chipped parts of the armor?

Do you just paint bits of it on where you want chipping to be and pick it off with something once you're ready to expose the grey and paint the chipped pieces? Sounds too easy. I can see your librarian already has some chipping on him. Was that a test or are you going to be removing all the liquid mask at this stage (where the red primers are done) or later on once the majority of the brushwork painting is on the models? Like everyone else...looking forward to watching this thread!

(sucks air through teeth)

I have to be honest, my heart jumped the moment that I saw the first shots!

I think you are taking a huge risk playing with such violent textures (matt vs gloss) and while the tone/ rich solid feel has been achieved here, I feel that it could have been achieved through different means.

Such as working with normal paint ranges, then applying mask and then spray varnishes (even the GW matt when applied right will get a gloss feel). The flair/ reflection of the gloss is 'too' much for the scale of model and will detract say from the libbies face, which should be the focal point of the model?

At this moment, while your intentions are pure and true, I do worry about how this will work out, and all on such purdy models!!

You know I love your work, and this could still pull off, but I will be watching with a wincing eye for the time being;-P

Then again, it will work out knowing you and then you will have single handedly created a brand new finishing process;-P

cheers
W

No, no, no! I cannot spend money on Space Hulk! You will not make me do it... I shall never return to this thread, never....nope.

DrunkenSamurai wrote:No, no, no! I cannot spend money on Space Hulk! You will not make me do it... I shall never return to this thread, never....nope.

LIES!!!
The call of Space Hulk is too enticing for a mere mortal to pass up.... like a Daemonette whispering in your ear.... "buy 14 copiessssss"

SargesSquad wrote:
The call of Space Hulk is too enticing for a mere mortal to pass up.... like a Daemonette whispering in your ear.... "buy 14 copiessssss"

word.^^

i'm not an expert painter, but what warhound123 said is true: the metallic effect looks weird at that scale. the only models i've seen pull off that highly glossy parts are nid MCs. it might really be easier to flat coat the whole model and then apply new shiny "highlights". also, it takes cojones to experimentally coat a limited edition set with a primer that won't come off easily.^^ (FYI, Army Painter primer didn't come off my test model even after a full night of brake fluid) then again, most likely you know what you're doing, right?^^

Hrm this is intriguing. I am always glad to see a much more experienced painter try out something drastic and new, as at least if it doesn't work out I know it isn't my incompetance

I was thinking abotu their bases too today. I believe I might make some resin square bases for them that socket into 40mm bases for 40k. It would go a LONG way towards making the facing easier to set.

Waiting eagerly for the results. Game is nice, my friend bought it and we tested it yesterday and ended up playing eight games...

and I haven't got the chance to screw up really.

This.

But, it is all the more reason that watching you develop this project is all the more intriguing and an education.

~ Tael.

Revolutionary is kinda a corny word to use for toy soldiers but they arent bad sculpts.

PanamaG wrote:Revolutionary is kinda a corny word to use for toy soldiers but they arent bad sculpts.

How so? Is them showing that it's entirely possible to introduce that much detail and dynamic posing into plastic models in Heroic 28mm, much less one with so few pieces, any less revolutionary than transforming toys out of Japan in the 1980s or the fact that Star Wars figures introduced an entire scale(figures smaller than 12") into the toy industry?

From small differences come the greatest changes. So far as I am concerned, any game that blends the line between board games and miniature war gaming is a good thing. Imagining the day when I can explain my hobby to non-wargamers as "Sort of like Space Hulk, but with more variety and detail" makes me grin in an odd way.

So, no, not revolutionary in the "overthrowing the government and chaos on the streets" kind of way, but the sheer mad quality of of the game peices really shows what can be accomplished, and could lead to great things, both for board gaming and table top gaming.

PanamaG wrote:Revolutionary is kinda a corny word to use for toy soldiers but they arent bad sculpts.

really? considering we all spend time here, talking passionately about, well toy soldiers


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warhound123 wrote:(sucks air through teeth)

I have to be honest, my heart jumped the moment that I saw the first shots!

...

At this moment, while your intentions are pure and true, I do worry about how this will work out, and all on such purdy models!!

You know I love your work, and this could still pull off, but I will be watching with a wincing eye for the time being;-P

Guys, I like you to bitz and it's fun to get this much of a response on fething under coat, but at the same time it's a little OTT. I got the same uber cautious and "drama" responses from a few friends and it's taking energy to handle them the right way and to think of response or suck in the pessimism. I can't believe we are so skeptic.

SO

for the time being, I'm going to work in silence, take my time and enjoy it without the drama.

Then put up the work when it's finished to save the worries You'll miss the step by step, but I miss the drama.

Please Migs, you should know by now that most people have little shrines of your work in their bedrooms. I mean, after SnapFish started offering free 8x10 glossies every second month it was really inevitable...

My personal debate is whether to spend the time hacking off all the BA bling or just paint them in my chapter colors and call them "foundling" marines. I don't know what these other nutter's problem is

Let the doubters do what they do best. I just want to learn and absorb whatever it is you can show us along the way to improve my painting! I'll keep watching and hoping for you to throw us a WIP or two

migsula wrote:Guys, I like you to bitz and it's fun to get this much of a response on fething under coat, but at the same time it's a little OTT. I got the same uber cautious and "drama" responses from a few friends and it's taking energy to handle them the right way and to think of response or suck in the pessimism. I can't believe we are so skeptic.

LOL. I had been meaning to post that very thing. You'd think people with experience in this hobby would know how things tend to come together late in the process and not right off the bat. I trust the vision.

Wehrkind wrote:Please Migs, you should know by now that most people have little shrines of your work in their bedrooms.

That stresses me equally my friend!

I understand , what you are saying Migs, the pressure is a bit crazy, although you are a bit of a pop star around here.

All I can say is please keep a step by step record to show us at the end.

How about a compromise, post the WIP but ignore all the comments except the oooohs and aaaaaaahs (unless it's coming from CMDante or Dave Taylor, you can listen to them).

Agreed?

Ozymandias wrote:How about a compromise, post the WIP but ignore all the comments except the oooohs and aaaaaaahs (unless it's coming from CMDante or Dave Taylor, you can listen to them).

Agreed?

+1 vote for this!

It would be a pity not seeing your progression and thoughts on the methods you intend to use. You have instigated a few good discussions about alternate techniques rather than tried technical executions we often see today.

So whilst I agree as you said yourself, "and I haven't got the chance to screw up really." Watching you challenge yourself and work through the project was going to be intriguing to me and an education on process by another painter I respect the work of.

Though I understand your decision, so look forward to the final reveal

Would have been cool to see you walk the talk though ..step by WiP step.. chuckle.

best,
~ Tael.

It would be a pity not seeing your progression and thoughts on the methods you intend to use. You have instigated a few good discussions about alternate techniques rather than tried technical executions we often see today.

Agreed, Tael.

I do hope Migs (as it seems I was a bit of a catalyst%-( that no offence was taken?

As with all blogs (my own included) some comments are neither wanted or appreciated, but the comment is meant in the best possible sense.

The fact that you are trying something that may have made me 'wince', does not detract from the fact that you are trying something that:
1: I would never have thought of and as a result is making me think in different dimensions.
2: May or may not work- with absolute conviction.

When you started the TWAR project, you raised eyebrows in both positive and negative measure, but that does not mean that the wip's and final results were anything to be sniffed at? Far from it in fact!:-D

I am also working in slightly different styles at the moment, using finishes and textures to enhance the paint used. Sometimes it works, sometimes not, but when challenged about it, I have ploughed on through, because at the end of the day:
It's MY blog.

I often want to share my work, sometimes not, because I am unsure about how it is progressing, but the feedback good and bad is always great for getting a steer on what is successful- otherwise what is the point of blogging? Surely, we want to share, brag, get input or educate?

I sincerely hope that you will continue to let us witness something that may become truly revolutionary, but if you do not, then I (and I am sure others will) will appreciate and respect this.

It's all about the journey man, the end destination is fluid.

All the best

Warhound

Does this thread win an award for the sheer post-to-picture ratio? I don't think I've ever seen a Blog so devoid of... blogging.

Not your fault Migs, just seems odd that everyone's jumping around over this.

Migs your stuff is awesome and your necromunda stuff got me and my son into necromunda / =I= munda and inspired me to come up with a game system for my club mixing the 2 with dark heresy . But I thought the whole point to a blog was to discuss the techniques being used and to except both positive and negative feedback .

Hi Migs

Please keep posting your WIPs. If you continue down the path you first outlined we'll all get to see that process and you can take the comments as they come. If you decide to change your process then we'll all get to see that too.

In the end though, it's your decision. They're your toy soldiers and it's your vision. All we can do is hope you do show it all. As warhound123 said, "It's all about the journey".

I, for one, am very excited to see your vision come to fruition.

Cheers
Dave

I look forward to seeing either the WiP, the end results or the two combined.

~ Belphegor

Ozymandias wrote:(unless it's coming from CMDante or Dave Taylor, you can listen to them).

Agreed?

Totally disagree with that, not about listening to Dave, but about listening to me. I'm the non-creative, closed minded donkey-cave that has acted as the catalyst, so to Dakka and the online hobby community at large, I apologise. Feel free to blame me for the masterclass we all know we are missing.

Mig's, sorry mate, didn't mean to frustrate.

Cheers,

Dante

Hi migsula... I have been experimenting with tamiyas sprays, and masking fluids and then finally paint above that... it works wonders, its super fast to get positive results and if you find things slippery ( depends on the color i guess since mine are dull and not very slippery) add some washes of the color you want to give it more texture.
Keep it going mate.

Hey,

Long time lurker here, but this is my first post.

I entirely get why pessimism and criticism would put you off posting, however I implore you to continue to give us updates. I followed your I munda blogs and loved the work and thought that went into them, and they inspired me to take a new approach to the modelling of my Guard and Inquisition forces.

I have to admit, how you have gone so far with this method has very much surprised me, however it doesn't scare me, or make me wince. It makes me very interested to see where it will go, as I see these boards as a place to learn and be inspired by, and complex and different painting and modelling techniques really interets me.

True, you might screw it up, or people might say you screwed it up by your own very high standards. But alot of the people here post stuff that looks finger painted, and your screwups would no doubt put many to shame... If you don't try, you wont know how it goes... And if we can't see how your new method works, we won't know if we could use it in our own projects.

It's your project, and you don't have to let us in to see... You aren't doing this for us, but there's plenty of people who'd love to see how it goes, and I'm sure they outnumber those deciding to bash your very first coats of paint.

Damn it Mig, show me the step by step!

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It's your project, and you don't have to let us in to see... You aren't doing this for us, but there's plenty of people who'd love to see how it goes, and I'm sure they outnumber those deciding to bash your very first coats of paint.

Word. Now it feels like nut-sucking, but dude you gotta show us the step by step, your work is inspiring!

Trying new methods and new techniques and pushing ourselves is for me the only reason I paint and build models and minis.

For sure you can mess things up and for sure you can get hard crit, but really if you don't push yourself then whats the point?

Criticism and constructive feedback and tips from other painters is the only reason I like to post on forums to be honest. Sure it's nice to know that others enjoy and respect your work but constant "awesome" "this rocks" etc doesn't really help us. Sharing and growing our ideas and methods together is why I post on this forum, Warseer, and various other scale model forums. In scale model forums especially I really am only a beginner compared to some of those guys who have amazing talent.

If I was worried about negative comments or words of warning I would never have tried half of the things I am now. Airbrushing, oil painting, pigment work.

I would be very disappointed if you decide to stop updating this blog Migsula and only posted the finished article. It would be a real loss not only to us as a community, and also us painters who may want to try similar approaches and methods, but ultimately it would be a real loss to you yourself and the feedback you might get from the experience.

As for me I don't think this is a dangerous risk or a bad thing. I am, as I am sure many of us are, genuinely intrigued and excited about the methods you are using and the ends result that will be achievable.

Ultimately its your choice of course, but there are many people here who support your choices and methods just as much as you do yourself.

I finally found a footing for paint

Now just the basing to do and I can hit them with quick varnish and start painting the first one. I'll do it up to finished then post here and try to do step by step later when i have the momentum.

Meanwhile, I painted myself a nice squad of Fire Dragons and rebased my small Eldar force, which is now turning into a full army asap. Nothing earth shattering, just nice, elegant and aesthetic Eldar for gaming, with a few nice conversions.

I'm all over the place these days.

Gaming ADD. Pretty much affects most gamers.

The man speaks truth. I have about 3 half finished projects just lying around now while I work off the "Oooh shiney!" from resin casting things.

Please show us the Eldar or do some Spulk! Seriously, dude.

Seriously, let the man paint Im sure he will share his projects as soon as he has results or the time to post pics. And he did post his eldar in another P&M thread

Ha, like people are preventing him from painting, that is funny.

So uh.... um.... any chance of an update?

I am intrigued. Hopefully we'll see an update soon.

Have subscribed already, can't wait to see your paint job!

Found this thread on google, and should have read it before starting to paint my SH Termies with Mica Red. I just went ahead and sprayed it on, thinking it would be an OK primer. Obviously it's too thin, and glossy. But, I think it still looks pretty cool!

I'm going to either try painting on some matte coat over areas that need other colors, or just spray it all with a matte coat. I just don't want to lose too much of the pearly essence. I'm just going to tabletop standard so I think this will turn out OK.

Any updates on how yours turned out?