I studied Brasilian Jiu-Jitsu for a few months when I was living in Spain - I even sparred with a former Spanish Kickboxing champion. He kicked my arse!
Always wanted to start doing it again once I returned to the UK, but I work evenings, so that's out...
I have four years of Greco-Roman wrestling under my belt, but it's been three years since I last took a stance though.
I know some techniques of Wing Chun (Ghost kick and Chain Punching)but haven't been trained in it, using Penchak Silat hand movements to distract an opponent, some Jeet kune Doo techniques (leading finger jab)
as well as some submission holds like the gogoplata, wrist locks, boston crabs, ankle locks, step over toe cross face, step over toe sleeperhold(I made my buddy pass out when we were practicing this.)
I plan on learning Kung Fu, Wing Chun, Akido, Kyukushin karate, and Jeet Kune Do. There is a kung fu instructer and a kyukushin karate instructer nearby, so i can cross those off my list.
GES wrote:as well as some submission holds like the gogoplata, wrist locks, boston crabs, ankle locks, step over toe cross face, step over toe sleeperhold(I made my buddy pass out when we were practicing this.)
If by 'practising' you mean pissing about with dangerous holds, untrained and unsupervised by a professional, I would urge you to stop. Right now. Especially ankle/knee locks and ANY form of choke. It doesn't take much to do serious damage with most forms of joint-lock on the leg, and it is fairly easy to crush someone's windpipe with any form of 'lion-killer'/sleeper hold. What you are doing is stupid and careless. Someone could get injured or killed. It isn't a game, and I would humbly suggest that you might have a bit of growing up to do before you even CONSIDER taking up some form of serious (i.e dangerous with potentially fatal applications, such as Brasilian Jiu-Jitsu/MMA, Thai-Boxing/Boxing) martial art.
I think he noted he had four years of wrestling. To clarify: in many school districts in the US wrestling is a sport. Its not a sport like Football but then again FOOTBALL IS LIFE...so you make due.
High school wrasslin' takes both free style and GW forms. Yo do not feth with these guys. They are fit!
"High school wrasslin' takes both free style and GW forms."
Yes, Frazz - dealing with GW IS much like having a sweaty, stinky, hormone-laden teen try to choke you out using only his grotesquely overdeveloped thigh muscles...
Commissar Molotov wrote:"High school wrasslin' takes both free style and GW forms."
Yes, Frazz - dealing with GW IS much like having a sweaty, stinky, hormone-laden teen try to choke you out using only his grotesquely overdeveloped thigh muscles...
Brown Belt in Tae Kwon Do, Green in Karate, Kendo, Modern Army Combatives level 1, and an array of blunt and edged weapon attacks they won't teach you in most dojos.
I'm taking Beginner's Karate this spring for college, since I can earn credits. I haven't done pure Karate in a few years, so I'm likely pretty rusty, thus "Beginner's Karate."
Albatross wrote:@Frazzled - Yeah, but they don't use joint-locks or chokes do they?
Nope. I wrestled for 8 years, and the closest its gets are the various pinning combinations; which don't qualify as joint locks because they aren't intended to extend a joint beyond its maximal range.
Belts are for sissies. I have advaned training in Tae Kwon Doe, Chung Moo Doe, Kung Fu, Russian Sambo, Philipino Knife fighting, Australian great white shark hunting, Florida Alligator 'wrassling', And last but not least Texas Weiner Dog wrangling. Oh.. and I have an abnormally large penis.
generalgrog wrote:I have a fairly inpressive resume'
Belts are for sissies. I have advaned training in Tae Kwon Doe, Chung Moo Doe, Kung Fu, Russian Sambo, Philipino Knife fighting, Australian great white shark hunting, Florida Alligator 'wrassling', And last but not least Texas Weiner Dog wrangling. Oh.. and I have an abnormally large penis.
GG
I LOL'd pretty good on that one.
ShumaGorath wrote:I learned some karate when I was a kid and I've been in a lot of fights. Does experience count for much?
I think experience speaks louder then showing off belts that you get for learning a combo in a class. Besides, real fights are nothing like they are in classes and in the movies. Its chaotic at best.
lol Actually that is funny. A buddy of mine is a pretty big martial arts fanatic. And he will show me new moves he learns and such. Anywho, I would always say "yea man I have some martial arts styles that work rather well. If someone tries to rob me.... I fk'in shoot um. If someone breaks into my house..... I fk'in shoot um. If ever someone wants to try and take my car...... I FK'IN SHOT UM!"
KingCracker wrote:lol Actually that is funny. A buddy of mine is a pretty big martial arts fanatic. And he will show me new moves he learns and such. Anywho, I would always say "yea man I have some martial arts styles that work rather well. If someone tries to rob me.... I fk'in shoot um. If someone breaks into my house..... I fk'in shoot um. If ever someone wants to try and take my car...... I FK'IN SHOT UM!"
It was funny
What about when someone punches you in the face at a bar?
KingCracker wrote:lol Actually that is funny. A buddy of mine is a pretty big martial arts fanatic. And he will show me new moves he learns and such. Anywho, I would always say "yea man I have some martial arts styles that work rather well. If someone tries to rob me.... I fk'in shoot um. If someone breaks into my house..... I fk'in shoot um. If ever someone wants to try and take my car...... I FK'IN SHOT UM!"
It was funny
What about when someone punches you in the face at a bar?
KingCracker wrote:lol Actually that is funny. A buddy of mine is a pretty big martial arts fanatic. And he will show me new moves he learns and such. Anywho, I would always say "yea man I have some martial arts styles that work rather well. If someone tries to rob me.... I fk'in shoot um. If someone breaks into my house..... I fk'in shoot um. If ever someone wants to try and take my car...... I FK'IN SHOT UM!"
It was funny
What about when someone punches you in the face at a bar?
KingCracker wrote:lol Actually that is funny. A buddy of mine is a pretty big martial arts fanatic. And he will show me new moves he learns and such. Anywho, I would always say "yea man I have some martial arts styles that work rather well. If someone tries to rob me.... I fk'in shoot um. If someone breaks into my house..... I fk'in shoot um. If ever someone wants to try and take my car...... I FK'IN SHOT UM!"
It was funny
What about when someone punches you in the face at a bar?
I'd carry a gun into a bar but knowing my luck I'd do something dumb to let it be known I do and then I become a Felon and lose my right to ever own a gun.
My brother knows Judo, and I am his at-home practice dumby, so I know a little bit about judo.... basically, just the throw, don't know if that counts.
KingKracker wrote:
I think experience speaks louder then showing off belts that you get for learning a combo in a class. Besides, real fights are nothing like they are in classes and in the movies. Its chaotic at best.
Yeah, this. Subtract the amount of teeth you lost from the number of teeth the other bloke lost. If the result is a positive number you win.
It's true. Out of all the discipline's I've studied, MAC was the most useful. For all the fancy kicks and strikes you can learn in Karate and Tae Kwon Do, most fights devolve into the combatants rolling around on the ground. Of course, some of the standing moves can be helpful for ensuring you've got an advantage when you get down there.
Yea I think ground moves and holds and the like would be a more practical fighting style for that very reason. In a real life fight you end up getting right in each others faces and toss each other around. Fighting styles that are meant for being elbows or closer, is the ones that will be useful. Unless your like my older brother. He is literally a giant, and strong as an ox. So getting in close with him is just not a smart idea most the time. He can literally throw me about 5 feet or so, look at my avatar, and you can tell Im not a small guy. I think a punch to the balls is the only way to deal with people like that.... OR my personal martial art of course
KingCracker wrote:Yea I think ground moves and holds and the like would be a more practical fighting style for that very reason. In a real life fight you end up getting right in each others faces and toss each other around.
That's not necesarily true. It certainly can be, especially to people that haven't had much training or none at all. However once you start getting up to the multiple years worth of training then I would like to see an untrained person actually get close to someone who has acheived 4th DAN or higher in Tae Kwon Doe. FYI 4th DAN is 4th degree Black Belt, and = 7 years minimum of training.
Sometimes all it takes is knowing how to grapple, and I know guys that can grab hold of your wrist, and bend it in such a way to make you cry like a baby. Then again they can also take you down before you even get close to them too.
KingCracker wrote:Yea I think ground moves and holds and the like would be a more practical fighting style for that very reason. In a real life fight you end up getting right in each others faces and toss each other around.
That's not necesarily true. It certainly can be, especially to people that haven't had much training or none at all. However once you start getting up to the multiple years worth of training then I would like to see an untrained person actually get close to someone who has acheived 4th DAN or higher in Tae Kwon Doe. FYI 4th DAN is 4th degree Black Belt, and = 7 years minimum of training.
Sometimes all it takes is knowing how to grapple, and I know guys that can grab hold of your wrist, and bend it in such a way to make you cry like a baby. Then again they can also take you down before you even get close to them too.
GG
Yea, comparing one average person, with no experience to someone that has been highly trained, yes what I was talking about wouldnt work. Im talking about the masses. MOST people have no idea at all how to handle themselves in a tussle. But I also know a few people (my oldest brother included....not the giant one) that practically cant be touched in a fight, even against people that know how to. My oldest brother is just a killing machine on crack lol. It depends on the person I guess
I have a Black-strap in Hap Ki Do. In lehmans terms, I'm basically a half-step away from my black belt.
Here's a question for everyone: How old were you when you started Martial Arts?
I was already 19 before I started (5 years ago...) and looking back I wish I'd started MUCH earlier. I see some of the kids at my school who are about 13 and you can tell that when they hit 20, they'll be scary stuff.
Taurus Judge chambered with .45 long Colt @ home, .410 for CnC.
Remington 10ga.
Until you close to within grappling range you are outmatched. From 2-3 yards away I'll cut you in half with the Remington and even if you survive you sure as gak won't feel like kicking me or punching me. Your hands would be busy holding your intestines in place.
.45 not as messy though so cleaning up blood would be easier. It'd pool more and not splatter as much.
Fateweaver wrote:
Until you close to within grappling range you are outmatched. From 2-3 yards away I'll cut you in half with the Remington and even if you survive you sure as gak won't feel like kicking me or punching me. Your hands would be busy holding your intestines in place.
.45 not as messy though so cleaning up blood would be easier. It'd pool more and not splatter as much.
So you're making martial art out of martial artists?
Ok, ninja or not they all go down with pepper spray and a well placed kick in the jewels. If all else fails I have found that a 45 hollow point will do the trick for me against some idiot that wanted to Kung-Fu fight me when I was a cop.
Fateweaver wrote:Taurus Judge chambered with .45 long Colt @ home, .410 for CnC.
Remington 10ga.
Until you close to within grappling range you are outmatched. From 2-3 yards away I'll cut you in half with the Remington and even if you survive you sure as gak won't feel like kicking me or punching me. Your hands would be busy holding your intestines in place.
.45 not as messy though so cleaning up blood would be easier. It'd pool more and not splatter as much. So yeah.
.22 Long rifle, 4x Scope. You're dead before you even think somethings happening, and I'm gone before your body hits the pavement.
Granted, I need to make a kill shot with the first round, but I'm pretty confident in my abilities.
Nope a .45 with a shot gun home defense rounds. Yes it tears up the rifling of the barrel but when someone gets hit with semi-automatic buck shot rounds from a pistol then go all Jackie Chan you want your still a outline on my floor.
I love the guy that spent 30 seconds discribing how he was black belt in this and that in my jail and how he was going to kick all our butts and walk out of the jail. No, he was not drunk or high. Without saying a word I just pepper sprayed him in the face and he hit the floor crying like a .
He walked out of the county jail three months later with a Class C Felony for threatening a LEO on his record and his orginal charge of Passing a Bad Check under $250. All those that think that they are H2H bad asses there is always someone out there that will give you a new hole you didn't have a second before. Go to gang territory and spout that crap and you will be bleeding in a gutter for your troubles.
Martial Arts, getting people in shape and dead since the invention of gun poweder. Keep it yourselves people.
I studied Shotokan (Karate) in my teenage years,but I admit I am much more a boxer/brawler (street fighter) than a highly trained "martial artist".
My son however is an orange belt in Tae Kwon Do,placed second in Jr.compitition and should be a black belt before he is 12 (yup,I'm braging).
It's like clockwork, that all of these threads turn into penis length aruments, see the "Ohh yeah, well my gun is bigger than your gun" hence my preemptive penis size boast.
Martial Arts, getting people in shape and dead since the invention of gun poweder. Keep it yourselves people.
Right, because you and you're opponent are both going to have a firearm on you in 100% of confrontational encounters, and obviously, nobody ever needs to take an opponent alive.
Also, what do you mean "Keep it to yourselves?" The GD thread is about martial arts, not how firearms are obviously superior.
The comment is for those idiots that might know how to kill some one with the pinky to keep it to themselves when they are out in public or dealing with a large group of people. You spar off one on one in your training but a normal fight in a bar ends up being one idiot that thinks he can fight being bum rushed by six of the other guy's buddies.
So keep it to yourself people.
A tank is a deadly weapon of war, but against ten thousand people with pitchforks the tank will always lose. It is the same with martial arts.
generalgrog wrote:I have a fairly inpressive resume'
Belts are for sissies. I have advaned training in Tae Kwon Doe, Chung Moo Doe, Kung Fu, Russian Sambo, Philipino Knife fighting, Australian great white shark hunting, Florida Alligator 'wrassling', And last but not least Texas Weiner Dog wrangling. Oh.. and I have an abnormally large penis.
GG
I LOL'd pretty good on that one.
ShumaGorath wrote:I learned some karate when I was a kid and I've been in a lot of fights. Does experience count for much?
I think experience speaks louder then showing off belts that you get for learning a combo in a class. Besides, real fights are nothing like they are in classes and in the movies. Its chaotic at best.
Our school doesn't teach the fancy gak that a lot of schools do, that's more likely to get you killed than anything else....
One of our instructors, a 4th degree black belt, teaches street fighting a lot. He says kicks to the stomach/head are usually useless and futile because all your opponent will do is grab your leg and from there you're in a bad situation. He actually teaches us to aim kicks for knees, ankles, and the groin, with the first two the idea is to break something, and with the third...well, if you're a male, it hurts.
I browsed the small debate going on here, and agree with some, but not all of what's been said...Tae Kwon Do is in no way useless. You can end a fight in approx. 2 seconds on your feet. Do a step-behind sidekick into their kneecap and bust it. Or round kick their ankle. On your feet, you have superior reach, since Tae Kwon Do focuses on kicks, and can stop the fight from ever going to ground. And if it does go to ground...well, that's why I'm learning Jujitsu.
Also noted the safety debate....I don't know GES personally so I can't make any judgement...though I agree with Albatross for the most part....if you made a buddy pass out, it's presumable that you aren't 100% sure when to stop with the hold/lock/etc. If you do continue, I'd suggest you let your buddy know to slap you pretty hard when he's starting to lose consciousness...
Pipboy101 wrote:The comment is for those idiots that might know how to kill some one with the pinky to keep it to themselves when they are out in public or dealing with a large group of people. You spar off one on one in your training but a normal fight in a bar ends up being one idiot that thinks he can fight being bum rushed by six of the other guy's buddies.
So keep it to yourself people.
A tank is a deadly weapon of war, but against ten thousand people with pitchforks the tank will always lose. It is the same with martial arts.
I'm fairly sure the same principle applies to guns...but what is the point of this exactly?
Your overall comment, if I understand you, is that martial arts is useless crap because either a) it will involve you vs. more people than you can handle or b) they'll just pull a gun out and blow your head off. Both are, IMHO, rather poor arguments.
Your comment doesn't serve much purpose. If someone thinks that because he knows martial arts he can go start beating the gak out of gangs, yes, I agree, he is a total moron. BUT that doesn't mean martial arts is pointless, or just to keep in shape. It could very well save your life--or at least spare you a bloody lip someday. Especially at a younger age. Until you get into your mid to late teens, most fights are resolved with fists, not knives and guns.
And who the hell says every fight is going to involve the poor martial artist vs. a dozen gangsters swinging chains? If you speak from personal experience, and have been in a crapload of fights, pardon me. But I'm currently in my teens. Been in three fights, all at my one year in public school--(on a side note, I was in school for months with no fights, after I got glasses I was in 3 fights in two weeks--thank god for contacts!). One of the fights I lost, because it involved a knife. The other two--hell, they got the crap beaten out of them by this skinny 14-year-old. I've also spoken to my instructors, all of whom are veterans of many fights. One in particular grew up in the slums, and said most fights he got in were one on one. In fights like these, a person with martial arts will be the victor a good majority of the time--all the time if unarmed, and they'll have a decent chance even if the guy has a knife or gun.
Forgive me for wandering, my brain is quite active and I have terrible difficulty summing myself up.
It's been my experince that the individule with training/knowledge/experince will usually come out on top of a physical altercation vs the unskilled (even with a weapon, other then a gun) assailent.
Knowing how to protect yourself certainly gives you an edge in most situations you may encounter.
Pipboy101 wrote:The comment is for those idiots that might know how to kill some one with the pinky to keep it to themselves when they are out in public or dealing with a large group of people. You spar off one on one in your training but a normal fight in a bar ends up being one idiot that thinks he can fight being bum rushed by six of the other guy's buddies.
So keep it to yourself people.
A tank is a deadly weapon of war, but against ten thousand people with pitchforks the tank will always lose. It is the same with martial arts.
It boggels the mind to think that you actually have survived so long. So in every fight you have been I assume you have wiped out a gun, or have been rushed by a mob of hanger ons? And for the bar fight argument.... If you did not know people who are drunk/ semi drunk are actually less capable than a sane individual that has trained Martial Arts. So I have to disagree with you on that one.
Well, for my age I have a lot of experiance in martial arts. I started Isshin-ryu, which is an Okanawian karate, when I was 5, and still train in it. That's 9yrs for me. And on the side I've been taking Shorin-ryu for a year, also Okanawian. One is close range fighting, while the other is longer range fighting. I also have taken 2yrs of Bo fighting, and a almost a year of knife fighting. So ya, I'm pretty kick-ass, but I never walk around going "I'm a black belt, wanna fight?". I've been in a few fights, one was actually fun. I was walking home from school through our nature center thing and a group of 5 or 6 kids came up and started pushing me around and gak, which I don't really care for but I'm not going to fight about it. But when one kid punches me in the stomach and calls me another word for a domestic cat, I get really fething mad. So I pick up a stick laying next to me that was 5-6 feet long and beat the gak out of the kids. It was fun.
A couple of years of European sword fighting. I love the longsword, good reach, and nice mix of offense and defense. Also quaterstaffs are pretty fun too.
I want to learn savate but I have not had any luck finding a place that teaches it.
I have been in many fights in my law enforcement career and winning is knowing when you are in a good position to win or not. If you are not in the posistion to win I went to the 1 + 1 idea which is what most agencies do. 1 + 1 is when a guy balls his fists or goes into a fighting stance I pull pepper spray, baton or tazer. They have a weapon out comes the pistol. It is about knowing how to control the situation.
So, I am not bashing martial arts since it is great exsercise and gives a person excellent foundation and discipline. What I am saying is that there is a group of people that take martial arts that have a power trip because over the knowledge they have gained and want to show off. Normally these people are the ones that pick fights in bars and clubs and then wonder why they got their ass beat into oblivian by the bar, then the bouncer and then still havn't learned by the time people like myself have been called to the situation.
Well, I guess I have a different point of view since I have delt with a section of the population that most of you have not where I seen all types in the worst way.
Now in my personal life, I have never lost a fight to include against people that are black belts because I know the best fight is one that you don't fight because there is no winner. But when I have had to fight I just know what to look for and get out of the way, wait for them to overextend themselves then with a simple application of physics down they go. I've had some martial arts training in Korea but I took it so I knew how to defend myself while on the road as a cop and to be able to control a situation with the minimum amount of force as possible.
@ Lord of Kaith
I worked a case where a pair of idoits that got picked on at school went to martial arts classes for a year. Those two thought that they were Chuck Norris incarnate and decided to take on the bullies. So then went to the bullies neighborhood and picked a fight they were winning one on one but it stayed like for about twenty seconds when half about twenty five of their family and friend came out and curb stomped those two kids almost to death. If these kids did not go looking for a fight one would not be in a wheelchair now and the other spending $200,000 on fixing his face. We could not charge but the two kids because they started the fight and did engaged the people that came to rescue the other two kids which was confirmed by an elderly couple across the street.
So, what I am trying to say is that I hate the dumbasses that think that they are bad ass because they know martial arts and decided that they want to show off by picking fights in public. So my phrase "keep to yourself" is the same that people that have conceal and carry permits. Because you have a gun does not give your the right to wave around in public.
Fateweaver wrote:Taurus Judge chambered with .45 long Colt @ home, .410 for CnC.
Remington 10ga.
Until you close to within grappling range you are outmatched. From 2-3 yards away I'll cut you in half with the Remington and even if you survive you sure as gak won't feel like kicking me or punching me. Your hands would be busy holding your intestines in place.
.45 not as messy though so cleaning up blood would be easier. It'd pool more and not splatter as much.
So yeah.
What do you do when someone punches you in the face in a bar?
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Golden Eyed Scout wrote:
Fateweaver wrote:Taurus Judge chambered with .45 long Colt @ home, .410 for CnC.
Remington 10ga. Until you close to within grappling range you are outmatched. From 2-3 yards away I'll cut you in half with the Remington and even if you survive you sure as gak won't feel like kicking me or punching me. Your hands would be busy holding your intestines in place. .45 not as messy though so cleaning up blood would be easier. It'd pool more and not splatter as much. So yeah.
.22 Long rifle, 4x Scope. You're dead before you even think somethings happening, and I'm gone before your body hits the pavement.
Granted, I need to make a kill shot with the first round, but I'm pretty confident in my abilities.
What do you do when someone punches you in the face in a bar?
Fateweaver wrote:Taurus Judge chambered with .45 long Colt @ home, .410 for CnC.
Remington 10ga.
Until you close to within grappling range you are outmatched. From 2-3 yards away I'll cut you in half with the Remington and even if you survive you sure as gak won't feel like kicking me or punching me. Your hands would be busy holding your intestines in place.
.45 not as messy though so cleaning up blood would be easier. It'd pool more and not splatter as much.
So yeah.
What do you do when someone punches you in the face in a bar?
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Golden Eyed Scout wrote:
Fateweaver wrote:Taurus Judge chambered with .45 long Colt @ home, .410 for CnC.
Remington 10ga.
Until you close to within grappling range you are outmatched. From 2-3 yards away I'll cut you in half with the Remington and even if you survive you sure as gak won't feel like kicking me or punching me. Your hands would be busy holding your intestines in place.
.45 not as messy though so cleaning up blood would be easier. It'd pool more and not splatter as much. So yeah.
.22 Long rifle, 4x Scope. You're dead before you even think somethings happening, and I'm gone before your body hits the pavement.
Granted, I need to make a kill shot with the first round, but I'm pretty confident in my abilities.
What do you do when someone punches you in the face in a bar?
Wait,I know this one...the answers are...punch them back,hit them in the face with a beer bottle/pool cue.grab them by the throat and apply preasure and knock assailent to ground and apply Doctor Marten dental work.
Wait,I know this one...the answers are...punch them back,hit them in the face with a beer bottle/pool cue.grab them by the throat and apply preasure and knock assailent to ground and apply Doctor Marten dental work.
Yes, but when you think that a hunting rifle is your answer to the question of a martial art I wonder if you know that.
Wait,I know this one...the answers are...punch them back,hit them in the face with a beer bottle/pool cue.grab them by the throat and apply preasure and knock assailent to ground and apply Doctor Marten dental work.
Yes, but when you think that a hunting rifle is your answer to the question of a martial art I wonder if you know that.
Did Bruce Lee even own a hunting rifle?....I'm going to go watch Enter the Dragon again.
Wait,I know this one...the answers are...punch them back,hit them in the face with a beer bottle/pool cue.grab them by the throat and apply preasure and knock assailent to ground and apply Doctor Marten dental work.
Yes, but when you think that a hunting rifle is your answer to the question of a martial art I wonder if you know that.
Never had a guy punch me in the face in the bar. I don't go running my mouth at bars so never had a reason to get punched.
Orkeosaurus wrote:I know a martial art that I can use to kill a person in .28 seconds, but the CIA won't let me tell you the name of it.
Punching someone's throat?
Hitting someone in the C1 area?
Upward punch / kick / knee into the xiphoid , followed by direct hit into the same area?
Im so evil...
Are you tall enough to knee someone there? That usually requires comparative or better height and for the other person to be bending over (hence why it's great after a headlock). Also it's going to be incredibly tough to kick someone center mass like that if they know they are in a fight with you, leaving you in a very precarious position if you fail. The punch could work, but only if you can deliver a solid uppercut to the area or have a really good straight punch. Throat punches are also incredibly difficult to pull when the other guy is aware that you want to punch him somewhere. In fact, how are you punching someone in the back of the neck... Wait a minute, you're just hitting people when they aren't expecting it!
ShumaGorath wrote:In fact, how are you punching someone in the back of the neck... Wait a minute, you're just hitting people when they aren't expecting it!
Exactly the point!
a LLAP-GOCH master wrote:WHAT is LLAP-GOCH again? It is an ANCIENT Welsh ART based on a BRILLIANTLY simple I-D-E-A, which is a SECRET. The best form of DEFENCE is ATTACK (Clausewitz) and the most VITAL element of ATTACK is SURPRISE (Oscar HAMMERstein). Therefore, the BEST way to protect yourself AGAINST any ASSAILANT is to ATTACK him before he attacks YOU... Or BETTER... BEFORE the THOUGHT of doing so has EVEN OCCURRED TO HIM!!! SO YOU MAY BE ABLE TO RENDER YOUR ASSAILANT UNCONSCIOUS BEFORE he is EVEN aware of your very existence!
Orkeosaurus wrote:I know a martial art that I can use to kill a person in .28 seconds, but the CIA won't let me tell you the name of it.
Punching someone's throat?
Hitting someone in the C1 area?
Upward punch / kick / knee into the xiphoid , followed by direct hit into the same area?
Im so evil...
Are you tall enough to knee someone there? That usually requires comparative or better height and for the other person to be bending over (hence why it's great after a headlock). Also it's going to be incredibly tough to kick someone center mass like that if they know they are in a fight with you, leaving you in a very precarious position if you fail. The punch could work, but only if you can deliver a solid uppercut to the area or have a really good straight punch. Throat punches are also incredibly difficult to pull when the other guy is aware that you want to punch him somewhere. In fact, how are you punching someone in the back of the neck... Wait a minute, you're just hitting people when they aren't expecting it!
Thats the beauty of wanting to really hurt someone , suddenly all the inhibited nono places we shouldnt hit are all available.
Want to block the center? thats fine lol enjoy getting kicked in the Ulnar nerve in your elbow.
Blocking too high? enjoy having a heel kick down your ililac crest.
Orkeosaurus wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:In fact, how are you punching someone in the back of the neck... Wait a minute, you're just hitting people when they aren't expecting it!
Exactly the point!
a LLAP-GOCH master wrote:WHAT is LLAP-GOCH again? It is an ANCIENT Welsh ART based on a BRILLIANTLY simple I-D-E-A, which is a SECRET. The best form of DEFENCE is ATTACK (Clausewitz) and the most VITAL element of ATTACK is SURPRISE (Oscar HAMMERstein). Therefore, the BEST way to protect yourself AGAINST any ASSAILANT is to ATTACK him before he attacks YOU... Or BETTER... BEFORE the THOUGHT of doing so has EVEN OCCURRED TO HIM!!! SO YOU MAY BE ABLE TO RENDER YOUR ASSAILANT UNCONSCIOUS BEFORE he is EVEN aware of your very existence!
Its not that hard , its not a direct punch to the c1 no. It starts with either a elbow lock or shoulder lock , im actually left handed.
And most people are right handed which makes it easier for me while confusing right handed pp to death.
After you do the elbow / shoulder / arm lock which ever is fine you'll most of the time be behind them.
Then you can elbow their c1. Though thats excessive and really no point unless you want to permanently harm / kill the person.
When you are behind , the better choice would be just step down on their calcaneal tendon.
You're like my friend, telling me he had to get his "appendix" removed. Yeah buddy, I guess you're half book. Better get your Table of Contents checked too!
You're like my friend, telling me he had to get his "appendix" removed. Yeah buddy, I guess you're half book. Better get your Table of Contents checked too!
Thats the beauty of wanting to really hurt someone , suddenly all the inhibited nono places we shouldnt hit are all available.
Want to block the center? thats fine lol enjoy getting kicked in the Ulnar nerve in your elbow.
Blocking too high? enjoy having a heel kick down your ililac crest.
Your ability to target nerves in my elbow when i'm putting my arms up to block a shot at my chest in realtime dynamically in a kick that (if it's any danger at all) is taking well less than a half a second is astounding. Even more amazing is the rapid shift downward, striking something that is well over a foot away from your initial target (this would force you to change the location of your hips and upper leg if you actually wanted force behind the blow).
It's fun to name places where it hurts to get hit, but if you're just going to hit someone from behind why not just use a weapon anyway? There should certainly be a significant number of them around.
Your ability to target nerves in my elbow when i'm putting my arms up to block a shot at my chest in realtime dynamically in a kick that (if it's any danger at all) is taking well less than a half a second is astounding.
2 things shuma.
1st , Just like humans are able to block a strike which takes place in less then a second , so can the person striking especially if they know you are going to block.
2nd , A nerve can be targeted when its exposed in certain angle and positions.
Even more amazing is the rapid shift downward, striking something that is well over a foot away from your initial target (this would force you to change the location of your hips and upper leg if you actually wanted force behind the blow).
Again 2 things.
1st , thank you <3 , i wouldnt call it amazing , but it does have more finesse compared to say , wild flailing of arms you see in Hockey games. Which see to be the epitome of fighting for some *giggles*
2nd , you know been a girl have its advantage in fights sometimes. When ever i place a strike in low spots , do you guys ALWAYS assume im trying to kick your balls? seems like it.
So yes , there is movement , there are shifting in angles , but it helps when you guys shift to the sides to avoid been hit in the balls ( though thats not where i was aiming at lol... )
It's fun to name places where it hurts to get hit, but if you're just going to hit someone from behind why not just use a weapon anyway? There should certainly be a significant number of them around.
Ah , not quite Shuma. In wushu they arnt just simple areas where it hurts. They are most of the time pressure points and nerve gatherings.
In other words , been hit in those areas pain is just the icing on the cake. The main purpose is they connect to other parts of the body. Getting his on those spots , have fun limping away or pick up a pencil in school.
Using a weapon.... im sorry shuma , i get goose bumps just from paper cut. I cant imagine causing harm on others with a weapon.
Not to mention , its not very satisfying o_o
2 things shuma. 1st , Just like humans are able to block a strike which takes place in less then a second , so can the person striking especially if they know you are going to block. 2nd , A nerve can be targeted when its exposed in certain angle and positions.
It's much easier to block than it is to redirect a waistline or above kick. They telegraph considerably.
Again 2 things. 1st , thank you <3 , i wouldnt call it amazing , but it does have more finesse compared to say , wild flailing of arms you see in Hockey games. Which see to be the epitome of fighting for some *giggles* 2nd , you know been a girl have its advantage in fights sometimes. When ever i place a strike in low spots , do you guys ALWAYS assume im trying to kick your balls? seems like it. So yes , there is movement , there are shifting in angles , but it helps when you guys shift to the sides to avoid been hit in the balls ( though thats not where i was aiming at lol... )
You get in fights often?
Ah , not quite Shuma. In wushu they arnt just simple areas where it hurts. They are most of the time pressure points and nerve gatherings.
Yes. They are called that in karate too. Same with judo. In fact, they are called those things because they are areas that are preferential for striking. Areas that hurt is a fairly apt explanation.
In other words , been hit in those areas pain is just the icing on the cake. The main purpose is they connect to other parts of the body. Getting his on those spots , have fun limping away or pick up a pencil in school.
I was using "hurt" as more of a colloquial term that implies physical damage. Getting hit in the back of the neck does quite a lot more than just "hurt". But yes, you're not just trying to cause physical pain (though realistically most areas of extreme physical discomfort are also soft organs or cartilage), which are extremely effective to strike).
It's much easier to block than it is to redirect a waistline or above kick. They telegraph considerably.
Thats depending on the person shuma , everyone have what they excel at. I dont believe in blocking.
I only ever "block" though thats not even blocking , its redirecting the force and limbs for locks.
You get in fights often?
Sparring with equipments , so real force used. I have beat up my cousin's friend that kept making fun of me same way orkeo did.
Yes. They are called that in karate too. Same with judo. In fact, they are called those things because they are areas that are preferential for striking. Areas that hurt is a fairly apt explanation.
I dont know much about throws other then the basic hip / hand throw / sweep . They are pretty heavy and often i fall along myself when they are around 90 degree to me. Then i get squashed.
*Edit oops , that went semi off topic since i deleted my sentences. I dont think the points we strike in wushu have same purpose as judo and karate.
Our purpose for hitting those points are actually disabling the other parts of the body because it hurts their nerves. Very often the victim's limb either goes numb or they twitch uncontrollably.
I havnt seen that in judo or karate.
I was using "hurt" as more of a colloquial term that implies physical damage. Getting hit in the back of the neck does quite a lot more than just "hurt". But yes, you're just just trying to cause physical pain (though realistically most areas of extreme physical discomfort are also soft organs or cartilage), which are extremely effective to strike).
I cant imagine harming organs or areas for heavy physical damage that is irreversible. I dont like the idea of getting sued.
Muscle tissue and sinew and tendon are more effective for me. For example , when it comes to arm locks , i prefer to follow it with a knee into their glenohumeral joint. Do it lightly they'll have trouble using that arm for a week. Do it hard they get send to hospital.
Sparring with equipments , so real force used. I have beat up my cousin's friend that kept making fun of me same way orkeo did.
So not much real street experience?
I cant imagine harming organs or areas for heavy physical damage that is irreversible. I dont like the idea of getting sued.
Muscle tissue and sinew and tendon are more effective for me. For example , when it comes to arm locks , i prefer to follow it with a knee into their glenohumeral joint. Do it lightly they'll have trouble using that arm for a week. Do it hard they get send to hospital.
Organ damage is rarely irreversible (as long as you don't kill them doing it), as opposed to joint damage which often is. You should probably watch out for that, you can easily be sued for a niggling joint injury you caused.
Guess not , though the gap is really big when they lost considering my size vs theirs. Getting a round house kick from me with sneakers on is enough to draw blood on a block.
My father let me take wushu more as self defense. I would be disowned if i go around looking for fights on the street.
Out of curiosity , what martial art do you practice , and are you a Street Fighter ?
Is your special move Hadoken or Shoryuken ?
Organ damage is rarely irreversible (as long as you don't kill them doing it), as opposed to joint damage which often is. You should probably watch out for that, you can easily be sued for a niggling joint injury you caused.
I dont believe in prolonged fights , more so i believe its a disadvantage for me i dont take them out in the first contact.
Thus i dont hold back on force , the only difference for me, between hurting someone vs damaging someone i guess , comes down to me choosing
whether to go ahead with striking those area or not.
*Edit regarding targeting nerves we talked about earlier.
I kick as fast as a person punches , of course not in rapid succession as fast as a punch.
But consider the distance it covers plus the force it delivers , chances more then not , they WILL have to block.
A strand of nerve or an area of sinew or tendon are long in strips. Its not as hard as you think to hit it.
Tim the Biovore wrote:I'm thinking it would be wise to make sure no one annoys Luna in person. Unless they are a ninja. But wait, ninjas shouldn't talk. Now I am confused.
Also, I can defend my self by maikng my asailant run for safety. I guess knowing the words to 'Never Gonna Give U Up' has its uses after all.
Im pretty sure they'll come in person , but with weapons to beat me up T-T
Don't worry, most of them will be looking for an anime girl with various forms. Like people will probably look for a sky-diving Jesus when coming after me.
The first time i kicked a guy in the balls he layed there on t he floor not moving for 45 mins after recess was over.
Then the teacher asked the class to check if he is in the washroom with diarrhea , then the class president told the teacher i kicked his balls during recess , so teacher went out to check , still laying there.
I never kick anyone in the balls again after that.
Tim the Biovore wrote:Don't worry, most of them will be looking for an anime girl with various forms. Like people will probably look for a sky-diving Jesus when coming after me.
I didnt look closely so i thought it was this guy:
FTR Luna, how long have you been taking Wushu? I feel kind of sorry for the guy you kicked, even though he probably deserved it...both because it must have hurt a lot, and the sheer humiliation...no offense meant of course, it's just that getting floored by a girl will be even more humiliating than by a boy...especially if he started the fight
I havent even looked at this thread because im now 30 years old and i have been of the opinion since i joined the Royal Marines ten years ago that 90% of people who practice martial arts are dicks.
I use that number as everyone who joined the Commando's were young, fit, 18-28 year old men, so many of them practiced martial arts. Say, ten percent of the few thousand i got to know.. and whenever i met someone who was really "into" it, they were dicks.
I cracked and sat and read all of this today, and im glad to see i wasnt wrong with my statistic.
Sure ill elaborate, almost everyone i met who was mega into martial arts in the corps thought they were hard bastards. They would get 6 or 7 pints into them on a weekend and suddenly think they were Jackie Chan. And i think people gobbing off about their legendary combat prowess on dakka just makes them look.. i dunno.. childish?
Seriously.. knife fighting? And talking about the ease of striking nerves and punching people in the throat.. Do i really need to elaborate?
Thats what i think.. i meet very few people who practice martial arts who actually are "humble" and "modest" and all the other things they apparently advocate when teaching JKD or Wing Chun or the plethora of other things you can opt to learn.
mattyrm wrote:Sure ill elaborate, almost everyone i met who was mega into martial arts in the corps thought they were hard bastards. They would get 6 or 7 pints into them on a weekend and suddenly think they were Jackie Chan. And i think people gobbing off about their legendary combat prowess on dakka just makes them look.. i dunno.. childish?
Seriously.. knife fighting? And talking about the ease of striking nerves and punching people in the throat.. Do i really need to elaborate?
Thats what i think.. i meet very few people who practice martial arts who actually are "humble" and "modest" and all the other things they apparently advocate when teaching JKD or Wing Chun or the plethora of other things you can opt to learn.
Realistically the same can be said for diehard proponents of all forms of personal combat. No need to get particularly offensive about wing chuns alone.
ShumaGorath wrote:I learned some karate when I was a kid and I've been in a lot of fights. Does experience count for much?
KingCracker wrote:I think experience speaks louder then showing off belts that you get for learning a combo in a class. Besides, real fights are nothing like they are in classes and in the movies. Its chaotic at best.
Lord of Kaith wrote:Also noted the safety debate....I don't know GES personally so I can't make any judgement...though I agree with Albatross for the most part....if you made a buddy pass out, it's presumable that you aren't 100% sure when to stop with the hold/lock/etc. If you do continue, I'd suggest you let your buddy know to slap you pretty hard when he's starting to lose consciousness...
Yes, I made my buddy pass out from the hold. I have never tried it again , because I didn't know when to break the hold, and I don't want to make the same mistake twice with my friend. We have sparred a few times since then, but have not gone to ground, as we both realised that we needed more training in ground fighting.
I've only been in 2 fights in my life so far, and they all ended pretty quickly. My school record says four, but two didn't count, because they were accidents.
The fights were: In fifth grade guy on the soccer field threw an elbow at me several times, trying to play it off. I tackled him, and punched him in the face and throat before two people pulled me off him. That's a win in my column, at least as far as i see. After my punishment, an internal suspension, because it was my first offense, was served, he came up to me, and said "Alright man, I'll admit. I was a dick, I did try and get you to fight me, but I didn't think you would. I got respect for you now." We didn't become friens, but he let friends of his who wanted to fight me now I wasn't a little bitch.
In sixth grade a guy was talking smack about me, which i didn't care about. He then started on my friend. I don't care what you say about me, but my friends are off limits. I kicked his leg out from under him, his head hit the floor. His friend then started in on me, and we traded shots for a few seconds before people pulled us apart. The guy i kicked didn't get hurt thankfully, he was just dazed that a 5 foot tall, 95 pound heavy, glasses wearing geek actually fought him.
The two accidents were: I was sitting on the arm of a chair talking to a buddy, when I slipped off the arm. I fell into his lap, my elbow dug into his thigh, and he threw me off by instinct. That was considered a fight, even though he and I were both friends. A security guard saw this and thought it was a fight. We both got a day of ISS (Internal School Suspension), and three days OSS (Out of School Suspension.) The second was when a complete stranger kneed me in my crotch. Apparently I looked like someone else. He was man enough to admit his mistake, and it was genuine. Still, a teacher saw, and thought it was a fight. So, once agin, one day ISS, three days OSS.
I'm going to get trained in Brazilian Jui Jitsu at an MMA club to improvemy ground game, and when my friend and I spar, when I'm confident I know my holds and submissions better, the sparring will then allow for going to ground. As for know, we are keeping with striking and blocking. He's a yellow belt in tae kwon doe, iirc.
So, I have some experiance in fighting, but they mostly relied on taking on people that weren't expecting it and exploitating an advantage. But, hey, my record is 1 win, 1 draw, 0 loses. I think that's pretty good, right?
@Albatross: When I said practicing, I meant sparring. The words are interchangable to me. Sorry if there was confusion.
Wait wait wait.... LUNAS A GIRL?! but .. but.. rule 30...
Anyhow, punching/kicking people in the funny bone isn't funny :(
I'm all martial, no art. And I always have my knife on me anyway for self defense, I've never used it in a fight or anything, it's more in case someone else thinks of drawing a knife... (though mostly for apples) Last time someone drew a knife though was a robbery I witnessed, me and some friends cornered the guy and he drew a knife and was instantly kicked in the head by 3 people ending that little debate. I got free perfume for it
generalgrog wrote:Wow, my view of Luna has totally changed forever. It has suddenly went from a pansy smelling hippie, to secret CIA assasin(or Canadian equivalent).
Pansy smelling hippie? Whenever a thread on self-defense comes up she turns into Rorschach.
ShumaGorath wrote:I learned some karate when I was a kid and I've been in a lot of fights. Does experience count for much?
KingCracker wrote:I think experience speaks louder then showing off belts that you get for learning a combo in a class. Besides, real fights are nothing like they are in classes and in the movies. Its chaotic at best.
Lord of Kaith wrote:Also noted the safety debate....I don't know GES personally so I can't make any judgement...though I agree with Albatross for the most part....if you made a buddy pass out, it's presumable that you aren't 100% sure when to stop with the hold/lock/etc. If you do continue, I'd suggest you let your buddy know to slap you pretty hard when he's starting to lose consciousness...
Yes, I made my buddy pass out from the hold. I have never tried it again , because I didn't know when to break the hold, and I don't want to make the same mistake twice with my friend. We have sparred a few times since then, but have not gone to ground, as we both realised that we needed more training in ground fighting.
I've only been in 2 fights in my life so far, and they all ended pretty quickly. My school record says four, but two didn't count, because they were accidents.
The fights were: In fifth grade guy on the soccer field threw an elbow at me several times, trying to play it off. I tackled him, and punched him in the face and throat before two people pulled me off him. That's a win in my column, at least as far as i see. After my punishment, an internal suspension, because it was my first offense, was served, he came up to me, and said
"Alright man, I'll admit. I was a dick, I did try and get you to fight me, but I didn't think you would. I got respect for you now." We didn't become friens, but he let friends of his who wanted
to fight me now I wasn't a little bitch.
In sixth grade a guy was talking smack about me, which i didn't care about. He then started on my friend. I don't care what you say about me, but my friends are off limits.
I kicked his leg out from under him, his head hit the floor. His friend then started in on me, and we traded shots for a few seconds before people pulled us apart. The guy i kicked didn't get hurt thankfully, he was just dazed that a 5 foot tall, 95 pound heavy, glasses wearing geek actually fought him.
The two accidents were: I was sitting on the arm of a chair talking to a buddy, when I slipped off the arm. I fell into his lap, my elbow dug into his thigh, and he threw me off by instinct.
That was considered a fight, even though he and I were both friends. A security guard saw this and thought it was a fight. We both got a day of ISS (Internal School Suspension), and three
days OSS (Out of School Suspension.)
The second was when a complete stranger kneed me in my crotch. Apparently I looked like someone else. He was man enough to admit his mistake, and it was genuine. Still, a teacher saw, and thought it was a fight. So, once agin, one day ISS, three days OSS.
I'm going to get trained in Brazilian Jui Jitsu at an MMA club to improvemy ground game, and when my friend and I spar, when I'm confident I know my holds and submissions better,
the sparring will then allow for going to ground. As for know, we are keeping with striking and blocking. He's a yellow belt in tae kwon doe, iirc.
So, I have some experiance in fighting, but they mostly relied on taking on people that weren't expecting it and exploitating an advantage. But, hey, my record is 1 win, 1 draw, 0 loses.
I think that's pretty good, right?
@Albatross: When I said practicing, I meant sparring. The words are interchangable to me. Sorry if there was confusion.
Quick question, I keep seeing people quote other people....is it just to "bump" the comment so to speak?
Anyhoo, thanks for explaining that better.....there was a bit of confusion, but I think I get you now.
Lord of Kaith wrote:Quite a lot of discussion going on here.
FTR Luna, how long have you been taking Wushu? I feel kind of sorry for the guy you kicked, even though he probably deserved it...both because it must have hurt a lot, and the sheer humiliation...no offense meant of course, it's just that getting floored by a girl will be even more humiliating than by a boy...especially if he started the fight
Took it from grade 5-7 , at that time i also had swimming and figure skating and piano.
So by the start of grade 6 i stopped figure skating.
End of grade 7 stopped wushu and focused on piano and swimming.
I dont think he deserved been kicked that badly , tbh i didnt know it would hurt him that much it freaked me out.
Its just he is the fastest runner in our grade and every time when he pulls me hair from behind and runs away , i cant catch him.
So that last time i saw him coming and kicked his balls before he could do anything -_-
@others thinking internet is filled with tons of self proclaimed martial art experts. Yes you guys could be more right often then not , so i cant really blame you for thinking that way.
Martial artists been humble , oh yes im humble , but that doesnt mean i hold back against bad people which in this case RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWRRRRRR
Orkeosaurus wrote:
generalgrog wrote:Wow, my view of Luna has totally changed forever. It has suddenly went from a pansy smelling hippie, to secret CIA assasin(or Canadian equivalent).
Pansy smelling hippie? Whenever a thread on self-defense comes up she turns into Rorschach.
To be more specific when ever a thread on what she knows personally, she participates. I saw Watchmen , i dont think Rorschach know martial art -_-
Ahtman wrote:Apparently we are all a bunch of bad-asses who will never lose a fight and claim victory, glory, and free bagels for our school.
Reality is often harsh Ahtman , we are all humans , its not hard to be out classed by others in different things.
generalgrog wrote:Wow, my view of Luna has totally changed forever. It has suddenly went from a pansy smelling hippie, to secret CIA assasin(or Canadian equivalent).
Pansy smelling hippie? Whenever a thread on self-defense comes up she turns into Rorschach.
To be more specific when ever a thread on what she knows personally, she participates. I saw Watchmen , i dont think Rorschach know martial art -_-
Rorshach didn't. He just knew how to kick ass and put someone down so bad that everybody else was too intimidated to much of anything other then what he wanted them to. Such as the finger breaking scene, or the prison food line. That was awesome right there.
@G.E.S yes i saw that part a month ago. That movie is so long.
Im not a hippy Orkeo , im bound by 1 very simple rule.
It takes an infinite amount of people to put up with 1 TFG or equivalent , but it only takes that 1 TFG or equivalent to stop been a douche to infinite amount of people.
generalgrog wrote:Wow, my view of Luna has totally changed forever. It has suddenly went from a pansy smelling hippie, to secret CIA assasin(or Canadian equivalent).
Pansy smelling hippie? Whenever a thread on self-defense comes up she turns into Rorschach.
To be more specific when ever a thread on what she knows personally, she participates. I saw Watchmen , i dont think Rorschach know martial art -_-
Rorshach didn't. He just knew how to kick ass and put someone down so bad that everybody else was too intimidated to much of anything other then what he wanted them to.
Such as the finger breaking scene, or the prison food line. That was awesome right there.
He uses some form of martial art in the scene where he is eventually captured by the police, and he uses it for a short moment before ozymendais kicks his ass. He's not supposed to know any, being a brawler in the comics, but it's there in the movie.
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LunaHound wrote:@G.E.S yes i saw that part a month ago. That movie is so long.
Im not a hippy Orkeo , im bound by 1 very simple rule.
It takes an infinite amount of people to put up with 1 TFG or equivalent , but it only takes that 1 TFG or equivalent to stop been a douche to infinite amount of people.
LunaHound wrote:What martial art do you practice shuma?
Well earlier I stated that I took a few years of karate when I was a kid. After that a little bit of wrestling, a little bit of mixed martial arts (though thats really just practice with individual moves) and some boxing/sparring with other people. Most of what I know about fighting comes from getting in a lot of fights.
LunaHound wrote:What martial art do you practice shuma?
Well earlier I stated that I took a few years of karate when I was a kid. After that a little bit of wrestling, a little bit of mixed martial arts (though thats really just practice with individual moves) and some boxing/sparring with other people. Most of what I know about fighting comes from getting in a lot of fights.
Ooh i see in page 1.
What belt did you get to? and how high can you kick ? and your height ( if you dont mind me asking lol )
LunaHound wrote:What martial art do you practice shuma?
Well earlier I stated that I took a few years of karate when I was a kid. After that a little bit of wrestling, a little bit of mixed martial arts (though thats really just practice with individual moves) and some boxing/sparring with other people. Most of what I know about fighting comes from getting in a lot of fights.
Ooh i see in page 1.
What belt did you get to? and how high can you kick ? and your height ( if you dont mind me asking lol )
Like, the one after orange I think? And above my head. I'm 6' tall, but pretty limber in that regard.
:edit: Actually, I can basically kick myself in the face. I doubt I can get over the head any more without jumping or something, though i had to jump before to really pull it off anyway.
mattyrm wrote:Sure ill elaborate, almost everyone i met who was mega into martial arts in the corps thought they were hard bastards. They would get 6 or 7 pints into them on a weekend and suddenly think they were Jackie Chan. And i think people gobbing off about their legendary combat prowess on dakka just makes them look.. i dunno.. childish?
Seriously.. knife fighting? And talking about the ease of striking nerves and punching people in the throat.. Do i really need to elaborate?
Thats what i think.. i meet very few people who practice martial arts who actually are "humble" and "modest" and all the other things they apparently advocate when teaching JKD or Wing Chun or the plethora of other things you can opt to learn.
Anyone with 6 or 7 pints in them is libel to do something stupid. Any group of males will constantly jockey for position to be the dominate one. Take this thread as an example. A simple question thread got sidetracked by gun fetishists trying to prove they are more manly than Martial Artists. By using your qualifications for judgement about MAs, I could say the exact same things about gun owners and Soldiers. Since I have met few I would consider mature useful people. Now I know that is not the case, there are many good, modest, humble people in both categories. I just haven't met them.
LunaHound wrote:@G.E.S yes i saw that part a month ago. That movie is so long.
Im not a hippy Orkeo , im bound by 1 very simple rule.
It takes an infinite amount of people to put up with 1 TFG or equivalent , but it only takes that 1 TFG or equivalent to stop been a douche to infinite amount of people.
That is an amazing rule. I like it. Consider it stolen, or at least being used on a trial basis, lol.
Again, I just realized, that without any real martial art training I have beaten a martial artist by fighting fair before. Good Times. But despite that, I normally lose so next time I can scare the crap out of them.
Y'know, as someone who's spent a large portion of his life brawling in one way or another, it does amuse me when people start categorically mapping out how they would take someone out by kicking X location, and then following up with a 2 quick blows to Y spot.
The simple reality is, when you're in a real fight, and by real I mean you and one or more men, possibly armed with knuckledusters, bricks, bottles, and whatever else comes to hand, all technique goes out the window. Except for those brief moments in mid-grapple which seem to last for an eternity, but only last a second or two in reality, you barely have any time to do anything but react. Once you're being smacked in the face with a knuckleduster, and have their mate on your back with an arm around your neck, you can know all the fancy moves you like. Unless you've got enough actual brawling experience to manage to vaguely keep your head, and dish out more damage than you take, it's all just so much bluster.
LunaHound wrote:What martial art do you practice shuma?
Well earlier I stated that I took a few years of karate when I was a kid. After that a little bit of wrestling, a little bit of mixed martial arts (though thats really just practice with individual moves) and some boxing/sparring with other people. Most of what I know about fighting comes from getting in a lot of fights.
Ooh i see in page 1.
What belt did you get to? and how high can you kick ? and your height ( if you dont mind me asking lol )
How come I wasn't asked this? *goes off to cry for being left out*
I'll answer anyway....
I can kick to well above my own head height (I regularly kick the biggest guy in our class, who is 6'6", in the head in sparring--just a normal round kick, not a jump or 360.) I'm currently right at six foot. By currently I mean I'm going to get a lot bigger....I'm 14 right now lol.
Good lord this thread is becoming popular. It's even more of a shock for me, because most sites I frequent have few members compared to this one and are lucky to reach 2-3 pages lol.
I've noted comments made about how we're all coming on to "brag about how bad-ass we are." truth is, humans are selfish. Of course we want a pat on the back. However, I doubt most of us are stupid enough to go around shouting that in public.
I also must agree that all this talk about how we know to apply pressure to X and Z point is fun to read and say, but in a real fight, utterly useless. As I've said, I've been in 3 fights. The one place where you want to hit is rarely in the right spot at the right time. I.E. in the first fight I tried to go for a arm bar (not to bust his arm, just to subdue him) and got my lip busted as a result, because I overextended myself trying to get his arm. In a real fight, you aim for what's open, and you don't start trying to 360 round kick them in the head either. Most techniques of that sort are pretty and look good in tournaments, but in a real fight, you go low. And I don't mean groin low, I mean try to bust their kneecap or ankle. In my first fight (started by the opposing party FTR) the kid, who was a good deal bigger than me, tried to bulldoze me into the locker. I sidekicked him right in the knee---fight over. Thank god I didn't actually break it.
Generally, all this crap you see in movies is nothing like in real life. In a real fight, you're not standing back five yards exchanging 360 round kicks and jump spinheels. Unless you're lucky and can incapacitate them with a kick before they get to you, most fights end up on the ground. I know--except for the first fight, all three I've been in have ended up on the ground. And god, it gets dirty down there. I was a bit shocked when this 15-year-old tried to go for my eyes--and just as shocked when I deliberately broke his wrist a moment later.
Anyway, to close this random, trailing post of mine......CHUCK NORRIS SUCKS!
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Golden Eyed Scout wrote:
LunaHound wrote:@G.E.S yes i saw that part a month ago. That movie is so long.
Im not a hippy Orkeo , im bound by 1 very simple rule.
It takes an infinite amount of people to put up with 1 TFG or equivalent , but it only takes that 1 TFG or equivalent to stop been a douche to infinite amount of people.
That is an amazing rule. I like it. Consider it stolen, or at least being used on a trial basis, lol.
Lord of Kaith wrote:
I've noted comments made about how we're all coming on to "brag about how bad-ass we are." truth is, humans are selfish. Of course we want a pat on the back. However, I doubt most of us are stupid enough to go around shouting that in public.
QFT. In the two fights I've been in, and the many I've observed, I/they never said "I know Kung Fu/BJJ/ whatever." to their opponent. Now, when I'm talking to friends that know martial arts and the topics is martial arts,
we compare the length of time we've spent learning the particular style/system, ("I've done two years of Judo." "I've done five of Muay Thai.") but not belt or color levels. I never figured that out, tbh.
Lord of Kaith wrote:I also must agree that all this talk about how we know to apply pressure to X and Z point is fun to read and say, but in a real fight, utterly useless. As I've said, I've been in 3 fights. The one place where you want to hit is rarely in the right spot at the right time. I.E. in the first fight I tried to go for a arm bar (not to bust his arm, just to subdue him) and got my lip busted as a result, because I overextended myself trying to get his arm. In a real fight, you aim for what's open, and you don't start trying to 360 round kick them in the head either. Most techniques of that sort are pretty and look good in tournaments, but in a real fight, you go low. And I don't mean groin low, I mean try to bust their kneecap or ankle. In my first fight (started by the opposing party FTR) the kid, who was a good deal bigger than me, tried to bulldoze me into the locker. I sidekicked him right in the knee---fight over. Thank god I didn't actually break it.
Generally, all this crap you see in movies is nothing like in real life. In a real fight, you're not standing back five yards exchanging 360 round kicks and jump spinheels. Unless you're lucky and can incapacitate them with a kick before they get to you, most fights end up on the ground.
Not so where i live. Maybe it's just the way people prefer to fight up here, but most fights that I've seen tend to be people trading shots, as it's smarter then going to ground, because as soon as you're down there,
the other guys friends will just stomp on you, which ain't fun. Also, when you try and take someone to ground, most of the brawlers don't know how to quickly, which means that valuable fighting time is wasted, allowing
teachers or security guards to step in and break it up.
Course, when you're on the ground struggling too, it looks gay. And since high school jackasses don't won't to get labeled queer, they generally don't ground grapples. This also leaves them
at a disadvantage against someone who has even done just a few months of scholastic wrestling, as the first thing your taught, aside from stance, is takedowns.
Ketara wrote:Y'know, as someone who's spent a large portion of his life brawling in one way or another, it does amuse me when people start categorically mapping out how they would take someone out by kicking X location, and then following up with a 2 quick blows to Y spot.
The simple reality is, when you're in a real fight, and by real I mean you and one or more men, possibly armed with knuckledusters, bricks, bottles, and whatever else comes to hand, all technique goes out the window. Except for those brief moments in mid-grapple which seem to last for an eternity, but only last a second or two in reality, you barely have any time to do anything but react. Once you're being smacked in the face with a knuckleduster, and have their mate on your back with an arm around your neck, you can know all the fancy moves you like. Unless you've got enough actual brawling experience to manage to vaguely keep your head, and dish out more damage than you take, it's all just so much bluster.
Its not that every fight starts off with hope to hit X or Y spots.
The spots are all over the body. If the opponent is fast and generally making it hard for you to land specific spots ,
you kick them and just kick them till they are forced to block , then you look for other exposed spots to hit.
Mapping out spots to hit , there are tons of spots to hit , its not so much different as you try to aim for the face.
For example , in boxing do people block alot on their head and body? they sure do. Does that stop people from punching their heads and body? nope.
Imagine adding kicks in , suddenly the places you need to block just increased didnt it?
Ketara wrote:Y'know, as someone who's spent a large portion of his life brawling in one way or another, it does amuse me when people start categorically mapping out how they would take someone out by kicking X location, and then following up with a 2 quick blows to Y spot.
The simple reality is, when you're in a real fight, and by real I mean you and one or more men, possibly armed with knuckledusters, bricks, bottles, and whatever else comes to hand, all technique goes out the window. Except for those brief moments in mid-grapple which seem to last for an eternity, but only last a second or two in reality, you barely have any time to do anything but react. Once you're being smacked in the face with a knuckleduster, and have their mate on your back with an arm around your neck, you can know all the fancy moves you like. Unless you've got enough actual brawling experience to manage to vaguely keep your head, and dish out more damage than you take, it's all just so much bluster.
Keeping your head, experience, and technique are all critical to winning a fight. If your technique disappears when you fight, then you don't really have any to begin with. Your decribed style suggests you only expect Pyrrhic victories and nothing else is realistic, so why would you fight then?
Ketara wrote:Y'know, as someone who's spent a large portion of his life brawling in one way or another, it does amuse me when people start categorically mapping out how they would take someone out by kicking X location, and then following up with a 2 quick blows to Y spot.
The simple reality is, when you're in a real fight, and by real I mean you and one or more men, possibly armed with knuckledusters, bricks, bottles, and whatever else comes to hand, all technique goes out the window. Except for those brief moments in mid-grapple which seem to last for an eternity, but only last a second or two in reality, you barely have any time to do anything but react. Once you're being smacked in the face with a knuckleduster, and have their mate on your back with an arm around your neck, you can know all the fancy moves you like. Unless you've got enough actual brawling experience to manage to vaguely keep your head, and dish out more damage than you take, it's all just so much bluster.
Keeping your head, experience, and technique are all critical to winning a fight. If your technique disappears when you fight, then you don't really have any to begin with. Your decribed style suggests you only expect Pyrrhic victories and nothing else is realistic, so why would you fight then?
Self defense.
Its not that every fight starts off with hope to hit X or Y spots. The spots are all over the body. If the opponent is fast and generally making it hard for you to land specific spots , you kick them and just kick them till they are forced to block , then you look for other exposed spots to hit.
Mapping out spots to hit , there are tons of spots to hit , its not so much different as you try to aim for the face. For example , in boxing do people block alot on their head and body? they sure do. Does that stop people from punching their heads and body? nope.
Imagine adding kicks in , suddenly the places you need to block just increased didnt it?
Get in an actual fight and come back describing how well "repeatedly kicking until you find a weakspot" works.
ShumaGorath wrote:
Get in an actual fight and come back describing how well "repeatedly kicking until you find a weakspot" works.
Oh hey , i was wondering when we'll get back to your usual method of arguing .
Was wondering why you were so tame when it comes to discussing with me yesterday when orkeo paved a nice path for you :3
When every kick you blocked is hard enough the spot it landed turned purple + black with blood rupturing out , we'll see how long you can last.
I guess we'll see what happens if they choose to not block.
ShumaGorath wrote: Get in an actual fight and come back describing how well "repeatedly kicking until you find a weakspot" works.
Oh hey , i was wondering when we'll get back to your usual method of arguing . Was wondering why you were so tame when it comes to discussing with me yesterday when orkeo paved a nice path for you :3
I respond to things on a fairly even kilter. You asked me how high I could kick then did nothing when I answered which I found odd, and you still won't tell me what my bbff is.
When every kick you blocked is hard enough the spot it landed turned purple + black with blood rupturing out , we'll see how long you can last. I guess we'll see what happens if they choose to not block.
As fun as it is to theorycraft actual fights thats generally not how they work. You kick, they block (if you're accurate and they do actually manage to block) and then at that point they step in and hit you. Fighting at standoff range is a myth if you're opponent is even remotely determined. Regardless though, this is a goku vs superman argument based entirely on unknown hypotheticals so lets just leave it at that.
ShumaGorath wrote:
Get in an actual fight and come back describing how well "repeatedly kicking until you find a weakspot" works.
Oh hey , i was wondering when we'll get back to your usual method of arguing .
Was wondering why you were so tame when it comes to discussing with me yesterday when orkeo paved a nice path for you :3
I respond to things on a fairly even kilter. You asked me how high I could kick then did nothing when I answered which I found odd, and you still won't tell me what my bbff is.
Yes the discussion so far was great , i was very impressed and happy with you tbh. Till you came with the usual
I didnt realize you asked what BBFF is in the thread o_o sorry if i missed it. Perhaps to be polite you have considered chatting with me in PM?
ShumaGorath wrote:You kick, they block (if you're accurate and they do actually manage to block) and then at that point they step in and hit you. Fighting at standoff range is a myth if you're opponent is even remotely determined. Regardless though, this is a goku vs superman argument based entirely on unknown hypotheticals so lets just leave it at that.
Oh i agree , thats why back a few pages ago i clearly stated , we all have things we excel at. Im happened to very good on kicks. But then of course everything is hard to put in perspective
until we actually sparred in person. Which is why i left it at that. But then you chose to bring it up o_o which is why i find it abit funny.
Yes the discussion so far was great , i was very impressed and happy with you tbh. Till you came with the usual
*shrugs*
You're acting like you can discuss the science of a fight by talking about strike zones and your amazing kicks (which I have no doubt are quite painful) but that's not how actual fights works. Point based competitions with padding function entirely differently than a self defense situation, just as boxing matches do.
I didnt realize you asked what BBFF is in the thread o_o sorry if i missed it. Perhaps to be polite you have considered chatting with me in PM?
I figured I was just being polite by asking. You said I had a bbff, and you never told me what it was. If it's ok to say in public, I don't understand why you can't explain what it means.
Yes the discussion so far was great , i was very impressed and happy with you tbh. Till you came with the usual
*shrugs*
You're acting like you can discuss the science of a fight by talking about strike zones and your amazing kicks (which I have no doubt are quite painful) but that's not how actual fights works. Point based competitions with padding function entirely differently than a self defense situation, just as boxing matches do.
I didnt realize you asked what BBFF is in the thread o_o sorry if i missed it. Perhaps to be polite you have considered chatting with me in PM?
I figured I was just being polite by asking. You said I had a bbff, and you never told me what it was. If it's ok to say in public, I don't understand why you can't explain what it means.
I can o_o , i just find it abit disrespectful towards the thread to discuss that. The old thread i asked you a question , but you didnt reply , then it was locked. And i didnt want to bring it up
to this thread which is totally unrelated. Hence i suggested PM. Its not that i cant reply here , its just weird and have nothing to do with you and me.
By the time someone has begun the sentence " Careful, I do martial arts " or "My hands and feet are deadly weapons" they have a broken jaw and i'm back to supping my pint.
Yes the discussion so far was great , i was very impressed and happy with you tbh. Till you came with the usual
*shrugs*
You're acting like you can discuss the science of a fight by talking about strike zones and your amazing kicks (which I have no doubt are quite painful) but that's not how actual fights works. Point based competitions with padding function entirely differently than a self defense situation, just as boxing matches do.
Shuma is right about the vast diferences in "competition fighting" and Fighting,in a "competition enverionment" (no matter how skilled the combatents),there are rules,and those who monitor said rules,people may get "hurt",but no one is going to beat your skull in with a pool cue.
In a "real" fight,things become some what chaotic very quickly (especialy in a bar room setting),and to much "finess" can end with your face on the floor courtesy of a beer bottle,now as I said "experince" certianly helps most of the time,but in a "brawl" vicious and brutal often overcome "training".
Yes the discussion so far was great , i was very impressed and happy with you tbh. Till you came with the usual
*shrugs*
You're acting like you can discuss the science of a fight by talking about strike zones and your amazing kicks (which I have no doubt are quite painful) but that's not how actual fights works. Point based competitions with padding function entirely differently than a self defense situation, just as boxing matches do.
Shuma is right about the vast diferences in "competition fighting" and Fighting,in a "competition enverionment" (no matter how skilled the combatents),there are rules,and those who monitor said rules,people may get "hurt",but no one is going to beat your skull in with a pool cue.
In a "real" fight,things become some what chaotic very quickly (especialy in a bar room setting),and to much "finess" can end with your face on the floor courtesy of a beer bottle,now as I said "experince" certianly helps most of the time,but in a "brawl" vicious and brutal often overcome "training".
I understand him Fitzz , but i just have that much confidence because i view the normal brawl to be like a hockey fight. then its sort of laughable.
Im not saying all people that get into fights are incompetent , im sure many are. But its just abit funny when most people tire themeself out before landing a touch on me.
But then if you mention weapons are involved , well... thats like criminal charges now o_o
LunaHound wrote:But then if you mention weapons are involved , well... thats like criminal charges now o_o
We are talking about a street fight, there are no rules until the fight is over. Whether it is illegal or not won't stop it. Prepare for cheap shots, eye-gouges, fish-hooks, genital attacks, improvised weapons, non-improvised weapons, and in all probability, friends of one or the other getting involved.
LunaHound wrote:But then if you mention weapons are involved , well... thats like criminal charges now o_o
We are talking about a street fight, there are no rules until the fight is over. Whether it is illegal or not won't stop it. Prepare for cheap shots, eye-gouges, fish-hooks, genital attacks, improvised weapons, non-improvised weapons, and in all probability, friends of one or the other getting involved.
In that case , im running away :3
though realistically... thats not possible as i dont go out alone -_- and people wouldnt leave it at that.
So i really truly feel bad for anyone that dare to touch me in public .
Yes the discussion so far was great , i was very impressed and happy with you tbh. Till you came with the usual
*shrugs*
You're acting like you can discuss the science of a fight by talking about strike zones and your amazing kicks (which I have no doubt are quite painful) but that's not how actual fights works. Point based competitions with padding function entirely differently than a self defense situation, just as boxing matches do.
Shuma is right about the vast diferences in "competition fighting" and Fighting,in a "competition enverionment" (no matter how skilled the combatents),there are rules,and those who monitor said rules,people may get "hurt",but no one is going to beat your skull in with a pool cue.
In a "real" fight,things become some what chaotic very quickly (especialy in a bar room setting),and to much "finess" can end with your face on the floor courtesy of a beer bottle,now as I said "experince" certianly helps most of the time,but in a "brawl" vicious and brutal often overcome "training".
I understand him Fitzz , but i just have that much confidence because i view the normal brawl to be like a hockey fight. then its sort of laughable.
But then if you mention weapons are involved , well... thats like criminal charges now o_o
I get what your saying,and if by "normal brawl" you mean "high school shoving match",then yes,that is laughable...however,I've seen/been in fights in wich people have been beaten to the ground and kicked into unconsieousness(sp),and so many "bar fights" it's bordering on stupid...but "weapons" do get used,and criminal charges not withstanding,the people involved are in a "survival situation"...not a competition,it's a big difference.
What you need to do is take the offensive; find people who look like they might mug you, and attack them before they do. If they're big, it may be a good idea to follow them for a while and then push them off of a balcony when you get the chance. And if you mess up, just run away, and then come back the next day wearing a fake beard, or a Zorro mask.
Orkeosaurus wrote:What you need to do is take the offensive; find people who look like they might mug you, and attack them before they do. If they're big, it may be a good idea to follow them for a while and then push them off of a balcony when you get the chance. And if you mess up, just run away, and then come back the next day wearing a fake beard, or a Zorro mask.
LunaHound wrote:But then if you mention weapons are involved , well... thats like criminal charges now o_o
We are talking about a street fight, there are no rules until the fight is over. Whether it is illegal or not won't stop it. Prepare for cheap shots, eye-gouges, fish-hooks, genital attacks, improvised weapons, non-improvised weapons, and in all probability, friends of one or the other getting involved.
I have nothing against that list except for one: Eye gouging. I seriously do not want me eyes gouged out, I use them alot and rather like how they work.....
Slarg232 wrote:I have nothing against that list except for one: Eye gouging. I seriously do not want me eyes gouged out, I use them alot and rather like how they work.....
Then do what I do: avoid getting into street fights.
Orkeosaurus wrote:But you're cool with people attacking your genitals?
Ketara wrote:Y'know, as someone who's spent a large portion of his life brawling in one way or another, it does amuse me when people start categorically mapping out how they would take someone out by kicking X location, and then following up with a 2 quick blows to Y spot.
The simple reality is, when you're in a real fight, and by real I mean you and one or more men, possibly armed with knuckledusters, bricks, bottles, and whatever else comes to hand, all technique goes out the window. Except for those brief moments in mid-grapple which seem to last for an eternity, but only last a second or two in reality, you barely have any time to do anything but react. Once you're being smacked in the face with a knuckleduster, and have their mate on your back with an arm around your neck, you can know all the fancy moves you like. Unless you've got enough actual brawling experience to manage to vaguely keep your head, and dish out more damage than you take, it's all just so much bluster.
Keeping your head, experience, and technique are all critical to winning a fight. If your technique disappears when you fight, then you don't really have any to begin with. Your decribed style suggests you only expect Pyrrhic victories and nothing else is realistic, so why would you fight then?
Self defense.
Its not that every fight starts off with hope to hit X or Y spots.
The spots are all over the body. If the opponent is fast and generally making it hard for you to land specific spots ,
you kick them and just kick them till they are forced to block , then you look for other exposed spots to hit.
Mapping out spots to hit , there are tons of spots to hit , its not so much different as you try to aim for the face.
For example , in boxing do people block alot on their head and body? they sure do. Does that stop people from punching their heads and body? nope.
Imagine adding kicks in , suddenly the places you need to block just increased didnt it?
Get in an actual fight and come back describing how well "repeatedly kicking until you find a weakspot" works.
You make weak spots. A slight change in timing will get your opponent to miss with their block.
Of course in your world; it would seem a better plan to curl up into a ball and hope they go away than fight it out.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I was going to refute alot of the BS going on in this thread, but it really is pointless. Think what you will.
Ive just skimmed over this but all im seeing is stuff like.. I use eye gouges alot... I feel sorry for anybody who tries to mess with me... I can take more punishment than the other guy. They should just disband the Navy Seals and send you guys instead. We can start a psyops campaign and drop leaflets over Afghanistan with a link to the OT forum. The taliban will be gaking themselves! :-)
mattyrm wrote:Ive just skimmed over this but all im seeing is stuff like.. I use eye gouges alot... I feel sorry for anybody who tries to mess with me... I can take more punishment than the other guy. They should just disband the Navy Seals and send you guys instead. We can start a psyops campaign and drop leaflets over Afghanistan with a link to the OT forum. The taliban will be gaking themselves! :-)
I know exactly what you mean, bro. Don't mess with us 40k geeks, right? We'll kick your ass! That's why I take bodyguards to the local tournaments! Seriously, all this dong-measuring is just ridiculous. A real man is an honourable man, a reliable guy, an asset to his community and his family. But action movies, pro sports and men's rags have us all thinking we should be grouping in milimetres with a 9mm, beating up other guys (to prove our worth, or some s*&% like that) and boning every available chick. Just stupid.
mattyrm wrote:Ive just skimmed over this but all im seeing is stuff like.. I use eye gouges alot...
I don't recall anyone saying they use eye gouges a lot, just that I pointed out that people fight dirty in street fights and that could be one of the things. As for the rest of your observation, it has already been pointed out several pages ago.
LunaHound wrote: Im not saying all people that get into fights are incompetent , im sure many are. But its just abit funny when most people tire themeself out before landing a touch on me.
Ketara wrote:Y'know, as someone who's spent a large portion of his life brawling in one way or another, it does amuse me when people start categorically mapping out how they would take someone out by kicking X location, and then following up with a 2 quick blows to Y spot.
The simple reality is, when you're in a real fight, and by real I mean you and one or more men, possibly armed with knuckledusters, bricks, bottles, and whatever else comes to hand, all technique goes out the window. Except for those brief moments in mid-grapple which seem to last for an eternity, but only last a second or two in reality, you barely have any time to do anything but react. Once you're being smacked in the face with a knuckleduster, and have their mate on your back with an arm around your neck, you can know all the fancy moves you like. Unless you've got enough actual brawling experience to manage to vaguely keep your head, and dish out more damage than you take, it's all just so much bluster.
Keeping your head, experience, and technique are all critical to winning a fight. If your technique disappears when you fight, then you don't really have any to begin with. Your decribed style suggests you only expect Pyrrhic victories and nothing else is realistic, so why would you fight then?
Self defense.
Its not that every fight starts off with hope to hit X or Y spots.
The spots are all over the body. If the opponent is fast and generally making it hard for you to land specific spots ,
you kick them and just kick them till they are forced to block , then you look for other exposed spots to hit.
Mapping out spots to hit , there are tons of spots to hit , its not so much different as you try to aim for the face.
For example , in boxing do people block alot on their head and body? they sure do. Does that stop people from punching their heads and body? nope.
Imagine adding kicks in , suddenly the places you need to block just increased didnt it?
Get in an actual fight and come back describing how well "repeatedly kicking until you find a weakspot" works.
You make weak spots. A slight change in timing will get your opponent to miss with their block.
Of course in your world; it would seem a better plan to curl up into a ball and hope they go away than fight it out.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I was going to refute alot of the BS going on in this thread, but it really is pointless. Think what you will.
I think everyone is still getting mad for little reason...
The whole point of the GD thread is to talk about martial arts....sometimes people get carried away and brag, yes. It's fun. As I said, humans are, by nature, selfish. We want people to think we're "cool", especially the younger ones (myself included.) If you think someone's just bragging gak and would get their ass kicked in 2.5 seconds in a real fight, fine. You may very well be right. But let them have their fun! It's an internet forum...there are worse things we could be doing...
Besides, if we don't warn them, when they DO get their ass kicked in a real fight, they'll stop bragging!
@ Orky-Kowboy what a thing to wake up to...lol. Made my day
I think all the chaos and crazyness was covered by me on the first page. And again, my martial art style works perfectly. And for a one time payment of $20, I can teach YOU! the KingCracker "Just fcking shoot um" system in 1 week or less! OPERATORS ARE STANDING BY! (I WANTED Billy Mayes to be the spokemen, but he tried to take some of my nose dustin, so I fcking shot um)
How people who have taken a lot of martial arts and have never actually been in a fight think fighting works.
How fights are more likely to play out.
The green ranger is in both of these videos, and I'm pretty sure he isn't impotent. In which one do you count more sweet ass repeated kicks measuring the opponents defense and finding his weak-spot for mega damage?
Ketara wrote:Y'know, as someone who's spent a large portion of his life brawling in one way or another, it does amuse me when people start categorically mapping out how they would take someone out by kicking X location, and then following up with a 2 quick blows to Y spot.
The simple reality is, when you're in a real fight, and by real I mean you and one or more men, possibly armed with knuckledusters, bricks, bottles, and whatever else comes to hand, all technique goes out the window. Except for those brief moments in mid-grapple which seem to last for an eternity, but only last a second or two in reality, you barely have any time to do anything but react. Once you're being smacked in the face with a knuckleduster, and have their mate on your back with an arm around your neck, you can know all the fancy moves you like. Unless you've got enough actual brawling experience to manage to vaguely keep your head, and dish out more damage than you take, it's all just so much bluster.
Its not that every fight starts off with hope to hit X or Y spots.
The spots are all over the body. If the opponent is fast and generally making it hard for you to land specific spots ,
you kick them and just kick them till they are forced to block , then you look for other exposed spots to hit.
You know, I once saw a guy trying that in a street fight. He was a Tae-Kwon-Do practitioner who'd shot his mouth off. He tried high-kicking kicking the other guy, who then took the kick, promptly grabbed his leg, and kicked him in the balls. Didn't end well for him.
Lunahound wrote:Mapping out spots to hit , there are tons of spots to hit , its not so much different as you try to aim for the face.[/color]
For example , in boxing do people block alot on their head and body? they sure do. Does that stop people from punching their heads and body? nope.
Imagine adding kicks in , suddenly the places you need to block just increased didnt it?
Blocking is a strange concept I've noticed martial artists seem obsessed with. There's this idea that the other guy will be 'blocking' your moves, so you need to get 'around his guard'. Every street fight I've ever been in or seen is people trying to kick the crap out of each other. You don't worry about 'blocking' you take the hit and try to deal more damage back than you're taking. Last one standing is the winner and doesn't get his head stomped in and taken to casualty.
Crimson Devil wrote:
Ketara wrote:Y'know, as someone who's spent a large portion of his life brawling in one way or another, it does amuse me when people start categorically mapping out how they would take someone out by kicking X location, and then following up with a 2 quick blows to Y spot.
The simple reality is, when you're in a real fight, and by real I mean you and one or more men, possibly armed with knuckledusters, bricks, bottles, and whatever else comes to hand, all technique goes out the window. Except for those brief moments in mid-grapple which seem to last for an eternity, but only last a second or two in reality, you barely have any time to do anything but react. Once you're being smacked in the face with a knuckleduster, and have their mate on your back with an arm around your neck, you can know all the fancy moves you like. Unless you've got enough actual brawling experience to manage to vaguely keep your head, and dish out more damage than you take, it's all just so much bluster.
Keeping your head, experience, and technique are all critical to winning a fight. If your technique disappears when you fight, then you don't really have any to begin with. Your decribed style suggests you only expect Pyrrhic victories and nothing else is realistic, so why would you fight then?
Described style? The reason I get into fights, is because me and chavs do not get along, and they tend not to like it when people don't cower in fear whenever they shoot their mouths off, or try and intimidate them. I went to a school full of chavs, a college full of gangsta's, and now I'm at a University in a town with a large chav population. I don't go looking for fights, but I'm fully used to ending up in a fight with people bigger than me, and being outnumbered.
My 'technique' as you put it, involvesone incredibly quick right hook to the stomach and running if the odds are too bad, carrying a knuckleduster at night, or if the odds are vaguely even, taking whatever they can do to me, and kicking them in the balls, winding them, trying to poke them in the eyes, biting, punching, grappling, well placed elbows and knees, and headbutting. In short, everything my body has, and everything I have to hand that can be used as a weapon.
Make no mistake, I'm not making myself out to be a 'hard man' here. I've just spent a good portion of my life getting into fights with other men in less than ideal circumstances. As mentioned before, fights are all 'batman vs superman' on the internet. The simple fact is though, when you KNOW that if you don't win, draw, or get away, you'll quite possibly end up the next dead teenager in the paper, 'technique' and 'hitting in x spot' goes out the window. It's survival, pure and simple. Anyone who's been in a significant number of fights where you've actually been trying to wound/kill the other person knows that it all comes down to how much physical experience you have at dealing out damage, and how high your pain threshold is and ability to recover from an opponents blows.
All jokes about shooting people aside, I completely agree with Ketara on his stance. This guy is 100% no BS on what he says. Ive been into some scraps myself, thats why Ive been saying from page 1, REAL FIGHTS are chaotic at best. You learn real friggin fast, if your going to win, or not going to win.
Hell even kicking in the balls doesnt ALWAYS work. I was once in a fight where I did just that, the guy was clobbering me. I got the chance and punted him something fierce. The problem was, he got even more mad at me. In those situation what are you honestly going to do to that person, other then allow him to gracefully kick your teeth in
All joking aside, i think training your body is way more important than martial arts, it just makes you tougher.
When i was in Iraq and i didnt drink any booze for 7 months, i trained almost every day and when i boxed with my friends i could just walk into punches and shrug them off. I didnt once get badly winded enough to hit the floor and I got knocked on my ass a few times when they got me with a proper good hook in the chin or head, but i was straight back up, and we actually fought, not pansy sparring.
Then i get home, go on the piss for 6 weeks and im convinced that if i got slapped by my 6 year old or nephew/hit by a car doing 3 mph/my leg humped by a dog id drop down dead.
That's because 'blocking' is a martial arts concept that most people don't have time for in a fight. Dodging, perhaps, I've seen it happen, and done it occasionally.
And you're right, someone who kicks in a 'proper' fight is just asking to get knocked to the ground. Why on earth you would remove your centre of gravity when someone is probably trying to elbow you in the head is beyond me. Then again, I guess that it goes back to this martial arts idea of ranged fighting and whatnot.
It's all slightly bizare to me. I have some ken-jutsu experience(japanese sword-fighting) so I understand how important range can be in a fight where weapons are involved, but a street fight/pub brawl? It doesn't really enter into it. My best friend is a black belt in thai kickboxing, one of the most lethal martial arts out there, and even he says that if someone bigger than him gets starts grappling with him,most of his martial arts stuff goes out the window.
Incidentally, he actually got into a street fight with a guy with a knuckleduster. He took a blow to the face that left a scar, but reached out and broke the guys arm in three different places. That's the more practical kind of skill I wouldn't mind learning.
Pipboy101 wrote:The comment is for those idiots that might know how to kill some one with the pinky to keep it to themselves when they are out in public or dealing with a large group of people. You spar off one on one in your training but a normal fight in a bar ends up being one idiot that thinks he can fight being bum rushed by six of the other guy's buddies.
So keep it to yourself people.
A tank is a deadly weapon of war, but against ten thousand people with pitchforks the tank will always lose. It is the same with martial arts.
Well actually, I'd take a tank vs. the guys with pitchforks...
crush and grind for da win!
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Crimson Devil wrote:
mattyrm wrote:Sure ill elaborate, almost everyone i met who was mega into martial arts in the corps thought they were hard bastards. They would get 6 or 7 pints into them on a weekend and suddenly think they were Jackie Chan. And i think people gobbing off about their legendary combat prowess on dakka just makes them look.. i dunno.. childish?
Seriously.. knife fighting? And talking about the ease of striking nerves and punching people in the throat.. Do i really need to elaborate?
Thats what i think.. i meet very few people who practice martial arts who actually are "humble" and "modest" and all the other things they apparently advocate when teaching JKD or Wing Chun or the plethora of other things you can opt to learn.
Anyone with 6 or 7 pints in them is libel to do something stupid. Any group of males will constantly jockey for position to be the dominate one. Take this thread as an example. A simple question thread got sidetracked by gun fetishists trying to prove they are more manly than Martial Artists. By using your qualifications for judgement about MAs, I could say the exact same things about gun owners and Soldiers. Since I have met few I would consider mature useful people. Now I know that is not the case, there are many good, modest, humble people in both categories. I just haven't met them.
I feel sad, you didn't mention the rocket propelled chainsaw fetishists.
Modquisition on.
Lets all be polite here. Its a thread asking about who was in martial arts, not whether guns are better or whether people who have taken martial arts in the past are pricks.
(legal disclaimer, I burned my knees out on taekwondo, kickboxing, and good old fashioned karate when younger, and yes I am a prick. )
Jaric wrote:Im glad this thread went from Internet Tough Guy to Humourous...it was painful for a few pages.
How you can kill someone with one strike?
Some people watch too much anime...
Easy. If you know the pressure points and where to strike you can kill a person with one hit.
Punch them in the windpipe. Crushed windpipe, death results in a few minutes. Temple strike can cause a brain hemorrhage. There aren't many people out their that can just strike a pressure point and kill someone but almost anyone can punch someone in the throat and that will cause death if you hit them hard enough.
Jaric wrote:Im glad this thread went from Internet Tough Guy to Humourous...it was painful for a few pages.
How you can kill someone with one strike?
Some people watch too much anime...
Well you can palm upwards to the nose and push the nasal bone into someone's frontal lobe. You can also easily kill in one hit with strikes to the temples, strikes to the neck, and any sort of attack with an improvised weapon.
"Easy. If you know the pressure points and where to strike you can kill a person with one hit.
Punch them in the windpipe. Crushed windpipe, death results in a few minutes. Temple strike can cause a brain hemorrhage. There aren't many people out their that can just strike a pressure point and kill someone but almost anyone can punch someone in the throat and that will cause death if you hit them hard enough. "
"Well you can palm upwards to the nose and push the nasal bone into someone's frontal lobe. You can also easily kill in one hit with strikes to the temples, strikes to the neck, and any sort of attack with an improvised weapon. "
Seriously? Well in theory those may work, but lets stop deluding ourselves. When is the last time anyone has heard of someone dying by one of these attacks? Enough street fights or bar brawls happen in a year in the world that we would hear of it at least once if it was commonplace right?
And from someone who studied pressure points and application for over three years, its all bs. You cannot use pressurepoints in a fight. It just doesnt work. The accuracy required is impossible in a live fight. And the ability to kill someone with one strike is pure Horsecrap that has ben shovelled into your mind by hollywood mcdojos.
Now now, lets be fair, if anything Chinese McDojos are at least as equally culpable.
This whole thread reminded me of a Bruce Lee quote about the difference between stage fighting and real fighting. He said in real life he would no sooner kick someone in the head than he would punch them in the foot, your balance is screwed, but it looks good on camera.
Seriously? Well in theory those may work, but lets stop deluding ourselves. When is the last time anyone has heard of someone dying by one of these attacks? Enough street fights or bar brawls happen in a year in the world that we would hear of it at least once if it was commonplace right?
Well nicholas cage went to jail for that in con air, but...
There is a small bone above the ridge of your nose that the cartilage attaches to, but the skull behind it is too thick to for that bone to penetrate, it'd pierce your hand first. But as the above poster noted, the bouncing of the brain, known as coup-contracoup injury, can cause the blood vessels in the covering of the brain to shear and bleed causing increased intracranial pressure, herniation of the brainstem and death. However none of this occurs instantly, if some one was killed by the classic palm strike to the nose I'd look to see if the spinal cord was damaged by the neck snapping back, an injury to your 2nd cervical vertebrae is known as a hangman's fracture and causes the nerve that activates your diaphragm to be paralyzed. Just like when the hangman's nose snaps your neck.
According to some dude on a fight forum though its an urban myth as you say. Damnit nicholas cage, you were innocent all along. As for temple strikes, those are actually fairly common and people do die from them. It's especially dangerous in boxing where the distributed force of the boxing gloved and the more common hook punch greatly increases the change of lethally striking the temple. As for improvised weapons, if you haven't heard of people being killed by broken bottles or improvised clubs then you're not really paying very close attention.
...im not talking about improvised weapons. Only myths about magical death touches.
I doubt the lethality of the temple strike Shuma. No one has died from one in MMA yet, and you would think if it was as common as you say we would see it.
Ahtman I meant all mcdojo's - both asian and us. Actually asian are more culpable. They started it with their leet shaolin kung fu is deadly! crap.
Jaric wrote:...im not talking about improvised weapons. Only myths about magical death touches.
I doubt the lethality of the temple strike Shuma. No one has died from one in MMA yet, and you would think if it was as common as you say we would see it.
Ahtman I meant all mcdojo's - both asian and us. Actually asian are more culpable. They started it with their leet shaolin kung fu is deadly! crap.
Temple strikes are fairly dangerous in much the same way accidentally striking someone in the neck or blunt trauma to the pate is dangerous. The anatomy of the body, and especially the head and neck, is not designed to stand up to being struck. Its rather easy to cause internal hemorrhaging to the brain with strong strikes or high pressure to the temple. The skull is weakest there and there are several important nerves there and a good bit of vasculature.
Jaric wrote:Well only 1 death via blunt force trama in mma and boxing in what decades doesnt really support your argument.
How many people die each year in amateur football in the USA?
Like I said, totally useless in a fight.
I never said it was useful. Only possible. The middle temporal artery isn't particularly shielded and it runs right across the temple region. Also the second link states that its a fairly common injury in boxing and wrestling. We have now determined that the temple strike is possible, and if you wish to do some research beyond the links i've already provided you would find that it's actually a bit of an issue in professional unpadded boxing. It's not talked about much, but then fatalities in modern civilized fight sports are never talked about much. They're a black mark on the profession every time they happen.
Now please, if you want to continue to try and put words in my mouth to make yourself sound intelligent or experienced start consulting medical records and sport histories too.
It is extremely rare for someone to die in a ring. usually there is a preexisting condition, and/or they were so outclassed that they were just pummelled to death.
Deaths in football are nearly as rare. Paralysis however is not rare. Talk to an actual master level practitioner. They will laugh when any of this stuff is mentioned. They can defend themselves, and beat the crap out of you, but the only way the whispering pinkie of death kills you by tickling your nose is if its followed by a killer attack wiener dog taking out your throat.
Now you can be stomped to death. Its just mythical uber kill one strike nonsense is just nonsense.
You want to waste someone with one strike, you have to hit them with a 00 shotgun round center chest or face. All else is just humor.
Frazzled wrote:It is extremely rare for someone to die in a ring. usually there is a preexisting condition, and/or they were so outclassed that they were just pummelled to death.
Deaths in football are nearly as rare. Paralysis however is not rare. Talk to an actual master level practitioner. They will laugh when any of this stuff is mentioned. They can defend themselves, and beat the crap out of you, but the only way the whispering pinkie of death kills you by tickling your nose is if its followed by a killer attack wiener dog taking out your throat.
Now you can be stomped to death. Its just mythical uber kill one strike nonsense is just nonsense.
You want to waste someone with one strike, you have to hit them with a 00 shotgun round center chest or face. All else is just humor.
You could probably pull it off pretty easily with a bat or crowbar too. No need to bring science into this.
Frazzled wrote:It is extremely rare for someone to die in a ring. usually there is a preexisting condition, and/or they were so outclassed that they were just pummelled to death.
Deaths in football are nearly as rare. Paralysis however is not rare. Talk to an actual master level practitioner. They will laugh when any of this stuff is mentioned. They can defend themselves, and beat the crap out of you, but the only way the whispering pinkie of death kills you by tickling your nose is if its followed by a killer attack wiener dog taking out your throat.
Now you can be stomped to death. Its just mythical uber kill one strike nonsense is just nonsense.
You want to waste someone with one strike, you have to hit them with a 00 shotgun round center chest or face. All else is just humor.
You could probably pull it off pretty easily with a bat or crowbar too. No need to bring science into this.
Its a lot more difficult actually. Put them in the hospital yes. injury them critically yes. Potentially kill them yes, but rare with one swing.
unlike a a 12 gauge.
Rule of thumb is 2-5 main body hits with a large caliber pistol. Dork boy with a bat aint gonna compare.
Frazzled wrote:It is extremely rare for someone to die in a ring. usually there is a preexisting condition, and/or they were so outclassed that they were just pummelled to death.
Deaths in football are nearly as rare. Paralysis however is not rare. Talk to an actual master level practitioner. They will laugh when any of this stuff is mentioned. They can defend themselves, and beat the crap out of you, but the only way the whispering pinkie of death kills you by tickling your nose is if its followed by a killer attack wiener dog taking out your throat.
Now you can be stomped to death. Its just mythical uber kill one strike nonsense is just nonsense. You want to waste someone with one strike, you have to hit them with a 00 shotgun round center chest or face. All else is just humor.
You could probably pull it off pretty easily with a bat or crowbar too. No need to bring science into this.
Its a lot more difficult actually. Put them in the hospital yes. injury them critically yes. Potentially kill them yes, but rare with one swing. unlike a a 12 gauge.
Rule of thumb is 2-5 main body hits with a large caliber pistol. Dork boy with a bat aint gonna compare.
If I get a swing for every shot you fire then I think I could compare quite well. Then again if I'm hitting someone thats unmoving I could probably pull it off in one every time, much the same as with a gun. I don't think it would be a particular feat to kill someone with a swing to the back of the cranium or neck. That said, if they're trying to hit back the guns definitly going to have the edge there. It's a lethal weapon after all.
Frazzled wrote:Agreed, you're definitely going to do damage there Shuma. Of course we're both kind of saying we need weapons of some sort.
Well yeah, I've been arguing against pressure points and super headkicks from the start.
Yea but have you been arguing arguign against killer attack wiener dogs? No discussion of deadly martial arts is complete without of full understanding of the Way of the Weiner.
Talk about a coiled spring of death and destruction:
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Did Bruce Lee even own a hunting rifle?....I'm going to go watch Enter the Dragon again. 
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