hey just thought i would let you guys know i am in the process of creating a 40k comic , got a teaser of the first page in my blog and in the fiction area, would anyone have any ideas as to where i could host it when done , possibly somewhere that can display a page at a time?
Has anyone else here been reading Fantastic Four? I can't remember the name of the current writer but IMO he's killing it, I really enjoyed the Millar run, but if this fella is going to be the title for much longer than I shall be cancelling it.
Kirkman isn't it ? He's been getting, AFAIK, good reviews for his stuff.
..One of the FF is dying "soon" right ? issue is being polybagged and armbanded ala "Death of Superman" IIRC.
Haven't read any of his stuff, my only Marvel stuff at the moment has been the odd TPBK, mainly of the Cosmic stuff that Abnett and Co. have been doing. War of Kings was great.
I thought the costume looked a little OOT on that magazine cover, but I'm willing to suspend judgment on that and the lantern until I see them on the big screen.
@reds8n: So I assume you got the book? If so, check out my latest rambling thoughts...
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So we know that Dr. Hurt is at least somewhat immortal. He's some kind of doctor/scientist, and clearly one twisted MFer. He seems to have a knack for messing with people's minds and inflicting psychological pain, and he seems more and more to be tied into Darkseid and Apokolips.
So is Dr. Hurt actually Desaad? Desaad never appeared in Final Crisis, right?
He and Batman also have a kind of history with Morrison from that JLA run in which in an alternate future Batman had -- under Darkseid's nose -- escaped from some nasty machine Desaad put him in, killed him, and then assumed his identity.
Seems like the pieces generally fit, along with Desaad's absence from Final Crisis...which is kind of a "hole in things."
DEsaad was the on possessing Mary Marvel, which is why she went all twisted and fethisy.
I like the idea though, but I still think Dr. Hurt will either be Thomas Wayne -- Bruce's institutionalised (twin ?) brother of possibly one of the Dr.s who was treating him. Wouldn't surprise me if perhaps Darkseid/The/A Devil gave said person a .. nudge... in that direction perhaps however.
Maybe when Darkseid fell, his minions were dragged down as well. Maybe as time collapsed Desaad was dragged backwards in time and possessed either people there or I was wondering if it might even be him/someone then in another one of the cloned bodies that they were trying to grow.
Maybe even this whole thing is rigged so as to force Bruce/the heroes to restore or revive Darkseid in some fashion, maybe that's the only way or person they can use to bleed off the chronal energy/similar mucguffin.
You saw the guy in the wheelchair who warned Bruce... another version of Metron maybe ? Who can't speak due to "The War" and yet is somehow helping Carter "unravel all kinds of mysteries"...? Which presumably goes someway to explaining how he has created all the time related machines ? Is this Carter some relative of Booster Golds perhaps ?
During the ceremony they mention " angels and dukes of the dark side inferno pits".. and all the fuss about corrupting souls and so on.
Gah! Yeah, you're right, that was Desaad. Ah well. That's this week's theory down the drain.
I thought the same thing about the guy in the wheelchair. Didn't Morrison put Metron in a wheelchair in his Seven Soldiers run? Carter Nichols however is part of Batman continuity from back in the 1940s and was in Batman #700, although maybe this is a reimagining of his background and where he got his talents.
The inferno pit reference was clear, as was the comment about having (from memory) "DARK science on our SIDE." And I think the casket may be the Ancestor Box, with the "bells" being its pinging (assuming it shares that with regular Mother Boxes).
Of course, maybe this is all meant to be more symbolic than literal, with Batman playing the symbolic role of Orion (as we previously discussed) to Hurt's Darkseid. And that thought gets me thinking about father-son relationships and whether there's something more to explore there. It'd be an interesting twist if Hurt was Bruce's father, but not the Thomas Wayne that raised him.
And here's a question...how does this all tie into the events in Batman and Robin?
Edit: Just did a little research on Thomas Wayne, Jr. Knew he was in Morrison's Earth-2 book (as Owlman), but didn't realize he was part of old Batman continuity. Hmm.
Also saw a comment on another message board that I think is subtlely brilliant. What if Hurt isn't immortal, but just using Nichols' tech to travel through time?
hmm.. maybe he bounces as some sort of reaction to Bruce's time travelling perhaps ? Every action having an equal and opposite/yin yang kind of thing.
I wonder if his use of the "time viewers" goes some way to explaining how he was so confident that "The House always wins" as he could see what would happen and plan accordingly. But Bruce, being zapped with the Omega timey wimey plot device was able to alter and escape this -- he can escape anything after all -- hence Hurt's surprise when his plan fell apart.
- Spider-Man Noir TPB 2
- Frankencastle TPB
- Marvel 1602 Spider
- Ultimate Spider-Man TPB 2
- Red Robin TPB 2
- Daredevil TPB which I think is the beginning of the Brubaker run
and
Maus.
My understanding, at the end of his original series anyway, was that he could affect organics -- hi elemental version could and did anyway -- but that it left them "unstable" so he stopped. Since then/now.... no idea.
..man, I need to dig out that old series, Ostrander and Mandrake were a great team there, that was a hey day for the DC universe IMO. I loved their later work on The Spectre as well.
.. All that aside..I figure destroying the entire universe is somewhat more impressive than turing things into coloured kryptonite/whatever
Used a gorgeous little coupon with Things From Another World and have the following coming to me this week:
Azrael: Deaths Dark Knight TPB
Batman And Robin Vol. 01: Batman Reborn Deluxe HC Batman Battle For The Cowl Companion TPB
Batman TPB - Batman And Son
Bruce Wayne The Road Home Batman & Robin (One Shot)
Will make for a good week, as my Dark Eldar preorder with The Warstore's shipped too
Batman and Son looked interesting. Let us know what you though about it.
I read the beginning of Brubakers Daredevil run, the Devil in cellblock D, quite enjoyed it. It's been a while since I read Daredevil but it still works.
Did I mention I loved Frankencastle? Too bad he only keeps this appeareance for another TPB or so. :(
Here's a huge teaser/spoiler image from "Bruce Wayne: The Road Home" and the special Batman+Robin one shot about it.
An old friend returns in a big way...
Anung Un Rama wrote:So, the Punisher is now a Frankenstein monster. I'll be honest with you, I did not see that one coming.
Anyone ever read anything with FRANKENCASTLE in it?
No, but mostly because I couldn't believe it was in-continuity. However, it was because he fought Daken but was that seriously the real Frank Castle? Anybody know?
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gorgon wrote: Mignola stepping down on Hellboy could have been a real killer.
But it wasn't. Somehow MM keeps finding artists who work perfectly for Hellboy.
Anyone reading Haunt? It's new series by Todd McFarlane. I'm through 3 issues so far and it's pretty good.
I was. It's my least favorite Kirkman book. It's fallen pray to that Madureiraitis and now comes out like every 4-5 months. I've dropped it.
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reds8n wrote:Kirkman isn't it ? He's been getting, AFAIK, good reviews for his stuff.
..One of the FF is dying "soon" right ? issue is being polybagged and armbanded ala "Death of Superman" IIRC.
Haven't read any of his stuff, my only Marvel stuff at the moment has been the odd TPBK, mainly of the Cosmic stuff that Abnett and Co. have been doing. War of Kings was great.
No, Kirkman wouldn't be doing anything for Marvel He's been promoted to the board or directors for Image for kickasssery. He's the only one to have done so since they original 5 Marvel Defectors founded it and the only writer too. He is my favorite writer now. Highly recommend Invincible to everyone or The Walking Dead if you don't like men in tights but I'm sure everyone on this thread likes men in tights right?
Now he's not, but he was writing the book a wee while ago. but it's Hickman at the moment IIRC.
..oh, I reckon it'll be
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The Thing
of the FF who dies.
Zatanna contineus to delight and enthrall, L.O.S is still pretty solid, and Batman Inc. was a good start, be intrigued to see where they go with the concept.
Latest "Fables" tpbk was good too, bit bummed out that it seems that the proposed TV show isn't happening.
DnA's Guardians of the Galaxy has been a blast to read -- I AM GROOT ! -- but I think it would have been a pain in the ass to read as a monthly due to the amount of crossovers involved.
Amazed to see that 2011 will, finally, see the release of a "Flex Mentallo" collection.. guess I'd best sell off my copies of the mini soon eh ?
Anung Un Rama wrote:So, the Punisher is now a Frankenstein monster. I'll be honest with you, I did not see that one coming.
No, but mostly because I couldn't believe it was in-continuity. However, it was because he fought Daken but was that seriously the real Frank Castle? Anybody know?
Yes, it was. Frank got sliced to pieces fighting Wolverine's son. Then he got stitched back together by Morbious, who lives underground in a city of monsters.
But, sadly, he returned back to normal after 8 issues or so.
How the helll do you get turned back to normal after being an undead Frankenstein?
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Anung Un Rama wrote:So, appearantly the new host to the Venom-symbiote is now a Black Ops agent working for the Government.
I guess I can give it a shot.
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IIRC separation from a Symbiote used to kill the host. So much for that. New Venom every year! What's up with Eddie Brock these days? Still Anti-Venom?
Watchmen is definately a fav for me too. I liked the movie V for Vendetta movie but haven't read the comic. Most people who've read the book don't seem to like the movie so I'm sure it deviated quite a bit.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:How the helll do you get turned back to normal after being an undead Frankenstein?
Magic.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:IIRC separation from a Symbiote used to kill the host. So much for that. New Venom every year! What's up with Eddie Brock these days? Still Anti-Venom?
I quit reading Spidey after a certain event, but as far as I know MacGargan is Scorpion again and Eddie ist still Anti-Venom.
So the problem with this thread is I don't know what any of you are reading. What are you reading Anung Un Rama et al?
I'll copy and paste from other thread:
"I'll get started. As you know most of us are either Marvel or DC and I grew up Marvel so I'm collecting Spider-Man, Ultimate Spider-Man, Avengers, New Avengers. Notice the Bendis trend. That being said my two favorites are The Walking Dead and Invincible which are both Image and Robert Kirkman. Was a big fan of J. Micheal Straczynski but I think he's losing his touch so I'm trying out Superman and Wonder Woman because of him. Suoerman has been alright so far Wonder Women I think I'm going to drop soon."
I'd like to add just because you read or collect something doesn't mean you actually like or endorse it so don't be embarrassed.
Batman and Robin -- we;ll see how it goes post Morrison.
Batman Inc. -- related to the above.
I, Zombie.
Zatanna
Brightest Day
blanks thenameofthebookfeaturing the old J.L.I
Legion of Superheroes.
I also pick up Fables in in trade and dabble in a few other titles. been reading Abnett's cosmis stuff of late, which has been fun.
I do prefer DC stuff to Marvel, the immediate post crisis late 80s/early 90s is, for me, a "golden age", so to speak, story and character wise. That IS my DC universe, if only for all the RPG supplements I bought then too.
The only monthly series I'm reading are New Avengers and Batman. But there's a Deadpool series starting this month after Marvel Germany finally realised how popular the character is.
Apart from that, I prefer buying TPBs over single issues. On the DC side I stick to Batman and company (Red Robin, Gotham Sirens), while my brother also collects Flash. From Marvel I read everything with Deadpool in it, ultimate Spider-Man and whatever interests me at the time, like Frankencastle.
As I said, I stopped reading 616 Spidey but I try to get my webslinging fix eslewhere. I really liked Spider-Man Noire, but the other Noir stuff just doesn't interest me.
Hellboy is another series I read whenever there's something new to read, because he's always awesome.
I've always wondered about Abnett & Lanning. It's like Marvel said "Meh, our cosmic section is unattended to. Dan you do some space stuff in the UK right? Do whatever you want." It gets good reviews though. I'll pick it up on o these days.
How is Fables? Also, highly recommended by comic folk.
That's funny, as a Marvel kid I would say Marvel is in a "golden age" when it comes to wrinting. Civil War was just awesome: Marvel turned your stereotypical comic conventions of Good guys vs. Bad Guys and threw it out. There were now just characters with competing interests aligning with factions of their choice. You really didn't know who would do what or fight who.
I thought I would loathe Secret Invasion but actually it wasn't too bad. Could be argued that it was just an excuse to bring back dead characters though.
Dark Reign was also excellent they threw out the convention that The Good Guys always win in the end and it really was the Villians reigning for almost 2 years. Capped off with The Seige that really was about The Sentry who was a great character.
Anyways the mega-event age appears to be over at Marvel which is fine with all its fans as we are all experiencing "event-fatigue" which is code for "excessively light wallets" but Avengers still manages to keep a big event feel in its monthly stuff.
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Corey85 wrote:I'm a big Vertigo reader,
Scalped
Hellblazer
DMZ
back issues of Lucifer
back issues/trades of 100 Bullets
Also several Dark Horse books,
The Goon
Hellboy
B.P.R.D.
Aliens/Predator
I know there are a bunch of titles I left out, I seem to get 5 or 6 new comics a week...
Oh, and Grendel is my favorite book of all time, didn't see that coming did you?
Used to read The Goon and some of the best individual issues I've ever read are in it (love the football one) but it was always hit or miss and by the end the miss was definately outweighing the Hits so I dropped it.
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Anung Un Rama wrote:The only monthly series I'm reading are New Avengers and Batman. But there's a Deadpool series starting this month after Marvel Germany finally realised how popular the character is.
Apart from that, I prefer buying TPBs over single issues. On the DC side I stick to Batman and company (Red Robin, Gotham Sirens), while my brother also collects Flash. From Marvel I read everything with Deadpool in it, ultimate Spider-Man and whatever interests me at the time, like Frankencastle.
As I said, I stopped reading 616 Spidey but I try to get my webslinging fix eslewhere. I really liked Spider-Man Noire, but the other Noir stuff just doesn't interest me.
Hellboy is another series I read whenever there's something new to read, because he's always awesome.
I dropped Spidey when they went thrice monthly. It was just too much. No one can say the quality didn't suffer, especially the art. The were some issues that boasted the worst art I have ever seen in any comic period. For that to be in Marvel's flagship title was an Embarassment. They've gone twice monthly and new creative team recently so I picked it back up: I'll let you know how it is.
If you read New Avengers you should get "Avengers" too. Same writer; even same cast which is.... a good and a bad thing.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:I've always wondered about Abnett & Lanning. It's like Marvel said "Meh, our cosmic section is unattended to. Dan you do some space stuff in the UK right? Do whatever you want." It gets good reviews though. I'll pick it up on o these days.
How is Fables? Also, highly recommended by comic folk.
Guardians of the Galaxy is great.
Fables is jaw droppingly good IMO. The concept is so obvious when you "get" it, and the execution is just... it's one of the few things I've read that makes me upset as i know I will never write anything that good.
That's funny, as a Marvel kid I would say Marvel is in a "golden age" when it comes to wrinting. Civil War was just awesome: Marvel turned your stereotypical comic conventions of Good guys vs. Bad Guys and threw it out. There were now just characters with competing interests aligning with factions of their choice. You really didn't know who would do what or fight who.
I thought I would loathe Secret Invasion but actually it wasn't too bad. Could be argued that it was just an excuse to bring back dead characters though.
Dark Reign was also excellent they threw out the convention that The Good Guys always win in the end and it really was the Villians reigning for almost 2 years. Capped off with The Seige that really was about The Sentry who was a great character.
See, I thought Civil War was a neat idea, but it suffered -- as it would be a Millar book -- from characters acting to suit the plot rather than acting as they would. I know most stories, capes and tights ones especially perhaps, fall apart somewhat if one examines them too closely, but for me Civil War was a neat idea for, say, the Ultimates setting but made no sense in the mainstream Marvel 'verse.Worse things has happened before, on a much larger scale.
Picked up The Seige 'back for cheap the other day ... hmm... .. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree, especially with regards to Sentry, who I've never liked outside of his first Jenkins mini.
... you'd think Rogue, being an X person, deserves better treatment than that eh ?!
Heh, the 8-part mini is the only Sentry thing I don't like. Very anti-climatic ending.
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and then he makes out with himself. wtf?
I don't think the characters acted out of character. A school gets blown up and then registration happens I could see the various characters acting the way they did. Never really liked Captain America before Civil War but he came off as a total badass in that one. Anyways , could argue the whole thing was stolen from Watchmen but that was fine by me. It was interesting to see The Keene Act inacted in the Marvel U.
What's this about Rogue? we talking about different mini-series?
A school gets blown up and then registration happens
Yeah, a school. By a villain. Whole nations have been wiped out, entire countires killed.... nothing. The Hulk's destroyed how much/many over the years.. and now... this does it ? Don't buy it myself.
seriously don't remember. What happened at Sentry's funeral?
Those other bad things were by villians whom we all agree are bad people. Hulk has his own dedicated anti-hulk task force.
The school children incident was caused by "heroes" but really publicity hogs who had a reality TV show. I think its plausible such an incident would give vigillantes a bad name. Also I think The US goverment wanting to regulate superhumans is also more than plausible. Seriously of all the crazy things we see in comics The Federal goverment regulating Vigilantes is bugging you!? It's not something super-crazy like regulating wall street.
sums up my thoughts about the character very well. swearing ahoy though.
I think its plausible such an incident would give vigillantes a bad name.
Worse than The Punisher, Ghost Rider etc etc ? Really ?
I agree the govt. would be involved, but i think they way they went about it was completely stupid and failed to take into account, for example, the myriad of alien invasions, time shifts etc etc and the countless ways that many of the superheroes had saved not only earth but existence itself.
But people do panic and do things.
.. so we'll put the Green Goblin in charge then ...? really ?
I read Invincible mostly these days. I'm kinda boycotting DC because I despise the direction they took batman in. But there can be peace between our peoples Reds8n, there need not be bloodshed.
Punisher is not hero, he's reviled by most people and his identity is publicly known. There's 88,000 warrents out for his arrest. Ghost Rider is a supernatural being who most people probably don't know exists. I think you know these things.
The Stamford incident was a bunch of kids in tights with too much power and no training trying to get ratings causing the deaths of children. It's implausible for the goverment to not try to stop that.
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Da Boss wrote:I read Invincible mostly these days. I'm kinda boycotting DC because I despise the direction they took batman in. But there can be peace between our peoples Reds8n, there need not be bloodshed.
Invincible is the best superhero book out there! There can be no peace between the Marvel and DC fanboys! Death to the opposition and to the victor the spoils! ...'cept Marvel already won. Just kidding, I no longer really see Marvel, DC, Image et al as rivals. If one guy sells a lot of books its good for the whole industry as people will often follow a creators adventures throughout the industry like me. Civil War sold boatloads (by non-90s standards) and thats good for everyone even Reds8n.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:I dropped Spidey when they went thrice monthly. It was just too much. No one can say the quality didn't suffer, especially the art. The were some issues that boasted the worst art I have ever seen in any comic period. For that to be in Marvel's flagship title was an Embarassment. They've gone twice monthly and new creative team recently so I picked it back up: I'll let you know how it is.
If you read New Avengers you should get "Avengers" too. Same writer; even same cast which is.... a good and a bad thing.
The thing is, I really don't want to read Spider-Man stories after OMD anymore. They flushed over 30 years of continuity and character development down the toilet. Not to mention years of the excellent run by JMS. This is my boycott.
And we only read New Avengers, because when the series started in Germany it was (and still is) called "Spider-Man und die neuen Rächer", even though he doesn't really get that much time in the book anymore.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:I dropped Spidey when they went thrice monthly. It was just too much. No one can say the quality didn't suffer, especially the art. The were some issues that boasted the worst art I have ever seen in any comic period. For that to be in Marvel's flagship title was an Embarassment. They've gone twice monthly and new creative team recently so I picked it back up: I'll let you know how it is.
If you read New Avengers you should get "Avengers" too. Same writer; even same cast which is.... a good and a bad thing.
The thing is, I really don't want to read Spider-Man stories after OMD anymore. They flushed over 30 years of continuity and character development down the toilet. Not to mention years of the excellent run by JMS. This is my boycott.
And we only read New Avengers, because when the series started in Germany it was (and still is) called "Spider-Man und die neuen Rächer", even though he doesn't really get that much time in the book anymore.
I understand. JMS had one of the best runs ever on that book.... except OMD.
Does "Spider-Man und die neuen Rächer", mean Spider man and the Avengers? That's what I mean though Spidey is also on 'The Avengers". I really couldn't tell you the difference between the two teams right now except that Luke Cage is the leader of The New Avengers and that he is not on The Avengers. Should be called "Luke Cage and The Avengers and his wife and his baby."
I have to metion, German comics tend to be 6-12 months behind English releases.
Die Rächer are the Avengers and as far as I know the series we're reading is "New Avengers" where the Team with Luke Cage, Bucky Cap and Spider-Man is currently fighting Norman Osborn and/or Hood. But yeah, Cage get's most of the time in the book.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Punisher is not hero, he's reviled by most people and his identity is publicly known. There's 88,000 warrents out for his arrest.
It's a good job that Iron Man, Captain America and the FF put so much effort into arresting him then....
Ghost Rider is a supernatural being who most people probably don't know exists.
Whose been shown on National Television, so he's not exactly unknown now is he ?
The point being that both these individuals kill or terrorise people on a massive scale, and yet the Govt. does nothing.
Story consistency FTW.
The Stamford incident was a bunch of kids in tights with too much power and no training trying to get ratings causing the deaths of children. It's implausible for the goverment to not try to stop that.
Except it wasn't of course : it was actually a team of heroes with over 10 years worth of experience, several of whom had connections with the Avengers and similar groups and had fought before in reality altering events.. cause you read New Warriors Vol I right ?
Whcih is of course clearly different to when the Avengers first fought Count Neferia ..in the middle of NYC
which resulted in buildings collapsing, many deaths and only ended when the Vision did his density schtick and slammed into the city so hard peopel thought an A bomb had been dropped.
And that's just one example from a massive list.
But you know these things.
It's nice to see Marvel trying to do things like Dark Reign, I'd rather they did actual stories like this rather than the old, entirely event driven series -- Secret Wars, Contest of Champios etc etc .. fun as they were.
I just feel that, ultimately, Quesada's "reign" has, overall, been more or done mroe harm than good to the setting and characters. Don't get me wrong, I'm nto claiming that DC is perfect, they've made many mistakes too, I just find their universe a bit more cohesive and "together" -- not to mention iconic -- or at least, when it's done right it is anyway.
Anung Un Rama wrote:
If you read New Avengers you should get "Avengers" too. Same writer; even same cast which is.... a good and a bad thing.
The thing is, I really don't want to read Spider-Man stories after OMD anymore. They flushed over 30 years of continuity and character development down the toilet. Not to mention years of the excellent run by JMS. This is my boycott.
It's just one of the hazards of comics. They have to either bloat a character's
backstory or retcon it so that parts of the backstory never existed.
Anung Un Rama wrote:The thing is, I really don't want to read Spider-Man stories after OMD anymore. They flushed over 30 years of continuity and character development down the toilet. Not to mention years of the excellent run by JMS. This is my boycott.
It's just one of the hazards of comics. They have to either bloat a character's
backstory or retcon it so that parts of the backstory never existed.
You got a point there. Still, I never felt it was so extreme as with OMD. They took out so many things that defined Spidey, at least for me.
Where is his connection with the Green Goblin if Norman doesn't know his secret identity. Does thta mean he never killed Gwen Stacy? What about all his allies?
It also completly erased everything JMS wrote. How his powers increased, his relationship with Aunt May. (I assume she forgot about his secred identy as well)
Look, its pretty silly to start picking apart the starting point for Civil War for comic book inconsistances when there are so many to go around. If you've got a 40+ year old story with multiple writers where anything goes your going to get some weirdness. It is literally at the bottom of the list and its just the premise to tell the actual story which is Civil War. I like Marvel's current age which is from House of M till now.
DC had the same problem except it was 80 years of astounding amounts of inconsistancies (superman cannot fly btw he leaps buildings in a single bound) until they basically hit the reset button in the 80s. However, I'm sure that a comic book historian uber-nerd could point out many oddities since even then.
I not going to get into a discussion of my company is better than yours that this has become because it is so very petty and immature.
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malfred wrote:
Anung Un Rama wrote:
If you read New Avengers you should get "Avengers" too. Same writer; even same cast which is.... a good and a bad thing.
The thing is, I really don't want to read Spider-Man stories after OMD anymore. They flushed over 30 years of continuity and character development down the toilet. Not to mention years of the excellent run by JMS. This is my boycott.
It's just one of the hazards of comics. They have to either bloat a character's
backstory or retcon it so that parts of the backstory never existed.
Anung Un Rama wrote:
malfred wrote:
Anung Un Rama wrote:The thing is, I really don't want to read Spider-Man stories after OMD anymore. They flushed over 30 years of continuity and character development down the toilet. Not to mention years of the excellent run by JMS. This is my boycott.
It's just one of the hazards of comics. They have to either bloat a character's
backstory or retcon it so that parts of the backstory never existed.
You got a point there. Still, I never felt it was so extreme as with OMD. They took out so many things that defined Spidey, at least for me.
Where is his connection with the Green Goblin if Norman doesn't know his secret identity. Does thta mean he never killed Gwen Stacy? What about all his allies?
It also completly erased everything JMS wrote. How his powers increased, his relationship with Aunt May. (I assume she forgot about his secred identy as well)
Yeah I wasn't too happy about that either Anung for the same reasons.
The new run is ok so far but something I can't stand is when writers (in this case Dan Slott) make pop culture references in the comic. Mark Millar does it a lot too and it makes it so dated. I don't want to see the word Snookie in my spider-man comic .
shingouki wrote:my favourite comic books are constantine/watchmen/v for vendetta.i know they were all butchered terribly when they made the jump to the big screen.
The only 'comic book' that I flat out love is Watchmen, (V for Vendetta being a close second) and I thought that the adaptations for both were as true to source material as they could possibly be. Novels simply do not translate well into movies.
Just saw a new comic on the rack called "Batman The Dark Knight". Seems almost like a year one type of story (but more like year 2) Anybody know whats up with it?
Speaking of Batman Cartoons I see 'ole Terry McGinnis is back with his own series Batman Beyond. I wonder if it will be good. A thumb through should less than impressive art.
Is anyone else excited for the events of DC Universe online to potentially tie into the actual continuity of the DC Comics? Jim Lee has explicitly stated his interest in this, as he believes it to be the best way to connect with fans of DC.
I'm not the biggest fan of DC myself (Though I've read all the essential Batman comics, as well as some Green Lantern), but this might just be the spark of interest that I needed to get into them. I remember my very favorite part of City of Heroes was that they tied the community into the monthly comic book, and often featured characters created by the players.
If DC pulls this off (despite having numerous flaws in the continuity to work around), I think it will be absolutely amazing.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Speaking of Batman Cartoons I see 'ole Terry McGinnis is back with his own series Batman Beyond. I wonder if it will be good. A thumb through should less than impressive art.
There are Batman Beyond comics??? Since when? How?? Where can I get them???
Chrysaor686 wrote:Is anyone else excited for the events of DC Universe online to potentially tie into the actual continuity of the DC Comics? Jim Lee has explicitly stated his interest in this, as he believes it to be the best way to connect with fans of DC.
If DC pulls this off (despite having numerous flaws in the continuity to work around), I think it will be absolutely amazing.
I was going to try it, but I'm afraid I just won't find the time to play an MMO.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Speaking of Batman Cartoons I see 'ole Terry McGinnis is back with his own series Batman Beyond. I wonder if it will be good. A thumb through should less than impressive art.
There are Batman Beyond comics??? Since when? How?? Where can I get them???
Yes. Now. From comic book creators. Comic book store.
IDW Comics
Transformers (ongoign series)
Transformers: Sector 7 (mini) to be followed by other Transformers minis
DC Comics
Batman
Detective Comics
Batman & Robin
Batman, Inc
Red Robin
Anything with a Brightest Day banner, so:
Brightest Day
Justice League: Generation Lost
Green Arrow
Green Lantern
Green Lantern Corps
Green Lantern: Emerald Warriors
Probably gonna drop all the non-Batman DC stuff once the Brightest Day event is over.
Trying this out this month:
Batman Beyond
Batman: the Dark Knight
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Let us know how you find the Batman Beyond.
I will. So far it has promise, and the villain of the current arc seems rather sympathetic. It's certainly better than the Hush Rehash (ReHush?) that was the mini-series that lead into the ongoing.
Red Robin never really rises above being merely 'ok' but I like Tim Drake, so it wins for me. Oddly enough, I enjoyed the BatGirl issues more than the prior storylines
So Reds8n (or anyone) you mentioned you read some Abnett and Lanning. Have you read Annihilation? I'm thinking of picking up the trades and I thought I figured out what to get but It's confusing. AFAIK it goes:
Annihilation: prologe
Annihilation TPBs # 1,2,3. Which are the core books
but then I saw Annihilation Nova, Annihilation Conquest and Nova ongoing that's confusing me now. Anybody know the order of these things?
Got my info from wikipedia. There's many sites dedicated to the discusion of space marines but doesn't seem like there's a good comic book info one where you can keep up on the latest news. Oh well. I'll just get Anihilation prologue and #1 for now and hopefully that'll shed some light on the situation.
GotG = Guardians of The Galaxy and is ongoing now?
Ah, the curse of excessive boobage
I get most of it too mostly, except for who some of the symbols represent.
Just saw the pilot to Young Justice. That is one cool show. It has the same style as the newer DC animated movies and I already like the characters. Even Aqualad.
- Deadpool now has a regular book in Germany. The first story was the one where he wants to become a Pirate. It was nice, but not as good as Merc with a Mouth or Suicide Kings.
- Read the first 5 issues of Thor by JMS. Quite entertaining, I'll probably read more of that.
- Because Deadpool was in it, I bought Cable / X-Force: The Messia War. Not sure if I like the idea that Scott Summers has a Black Ops killer commando strike team. And boy, this thing is violent. Anyone else read more of X-Force. I'm still slightly interested, though I don't really care about most of the members.
btw.... you have a Teleporting Mutant. Call him "Telford Porter" and his mutant name is Vanisher? Really Marvel? Really??
.. I know it's makes me a heretic but I really don't get the Deadpool love/obsession so many people have. Strikes me just as a rip off of the old "Quantum and Woody" series mixed with a bit of Lobo. Still if it floats your boat I guess.
Brightest Day and JLI Generation Lost are both coming together nicely. Must gather up all the issues and have a thorough read through soon.
In other news.. seems the Wonder Woman Tv show IS happening, 'bless NBC.
And, never thought I'd see this happen but Wizard magazine is gone ?. Can't say I'm upset as I (still) despise the push towards limited edition and sealed NM still in bag never read speculator boom from the 90s, which Wizard was both a symptom and a cause of. But it's always sad to hear of people losing their jobs, and the magazine has kick started a whole lot of careers and did have its moments.
This week we also see the death of one of the Fantastic Four.... which has been kept quite secret AFAIK. My money is on Ben Grimm biting the bullet, big strong guys are easier to replace on a team than any of the others I reckon.
I was about to say Germany is a bit behind. North America is experiencing a bit of Deadpool fatigue right now. I think he somehow got up to six books there and I think there's a bit of a backlash now. The bad thing is he's nowhere near as good as when Joe Kelly did the original run back in the day.
I hate it when anything breaks the 4th wall and Deadpool has sadly become this scizophrenic 4th wall buster extraodinaire. I've dropped all my Deadpool titles which is a shame: He used to be one of my favorite characters.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Wizard is gone!? NO!? I can't believe it. I used to really like it but its true that it hasn't been the same in the last few years. A lot of the humor seemed lacking - I think some parralels could be drawn between Wizard and White Dwarf. Back in the day it seemed like a bunch of guys just making a magazine about stuff they liked and having a good time doing it but in the latter years it seemed much more controlled and commericial.
Still I'd rather have it around than not have it. I was just bemoaoning the lack of places to get comic book news and this ain't gonna help the situation.
Yeah, comic book deaths are meaningless. Still not thrilled about Steve Rodgers being alive.
There's an online site for Wizard now but it sucks. It's like it's just advertising.
reds8n wrote: Brightest Day and JLI Generation Lost are both coming together nicely. Must gather up all the issues and have a thorough read through soon.
Yeah, JL: Generation Lost has been consistently excellent and is probably the book I most look forward to sinking my teeth in to. Brightest Day is starting to comer into focus, but it's pacing was a mess to begin with, and it still seems like a whole bunch of disconnected stories that don't interact much. I am wondering who get's to be the new White Lantern that it seems to be building towards though.
I suspect Dove, but I'd hope Johns could throw us a better curve ball than that one.
I enjoyed Spider-Man Noir, though I have zero interest in the other noir stories. Especially since I do not see any point at all in making Noir stories out of Daredevil and Punisher.
I heard interesting things about Iron Man Noir though.
While not on the friendly-neightbour side, when it comes to dealing with his foes, he's the one that've always appealed the most to me throughout the years!
It does bare many similarities to Marvel Zombies, what with the dead coming back to life* and everything, but there are a few major differences.
1) It's in continuity
2) It deals heavily with the emotional spectrum concept introduced in the Green Lantern books
3) Some of it sort of deals with the death is cheap trpe of comic books
4) It gave us Orange Lantern Lex Luthor, clearly the most awesome thing in the history of awesome, ever.
* sort of, read the last 2 issues for clarification.
I might be biased, being a DC guy, and seeing as Blackest Night was the first 'event' for which I read all the books and tie-ins as they were released.
The whole spectrum is actually one of the things that bugs me most about it. I get what the Green Lantern Corps is about and I guess the Sinestro Corps is okay too, but the rest?
The Starfire Corps, because Pink stands for Love!
Saw a few more episodes of Young Justice. It's really cool.
One thing I enjoy the most is the Superboy/Superman relationship. He's pissed off and grumpy all the time and Supes can't handle the fact he now has a "son". Is that how it's in the comics?
Da Boss wrote:Just catching up with young justice myself, pretty good. Though, Superboy or is it Emoboy, amirite?
Problem is, Connor can only cut himself with a Kryptonite knife. I like him the way he is. Truth to be told, I don't know Squat about Superboy, but he's more interesting than I suspected.
I've heard that a person can only wear the suit for so long/X ( se what i did there eh !) number of times before it bonds/bad things happen. So presumably this'll lead to new people getting to wear it every now and again.
I give less than 2 years until Frank Castle winds up wearing it somehow or other...shortly befor the series is cancelled and the concept forgotten or revamped.
..'cause Marvel needs another pseudo spy/espionage but with super powers book like DC needs another Batman title right ?
Wow.... that looks really, really stupid.
Why Spider-Man? If those are anything like the FF-stories I know, I don't see how he would be much help. And I get the feeling that they're doing the same thing with him they did with Wolverine. He's in every Team now.
Speaking of comic-based cartoons, is anyone else watching Batman: The Brave and the Bold? I love that show!
I've heard that a person can only wear the suit for so long/X ( se what i did there eh !) number of times before it bonds/bad things happen. So presumably this'll lead to new people getting to wear it every now and again.
I give less than 2 years until Frank Castle winds up wearing it somehow or other...shortly befor the series is cancelled and the concept forgotten or revamped.
..'cause Marvel needs another pseudo spy/espionage but with super powers book like DC needs another Batman title right ?
How awful does that look ? Especially the one with all the smiles on the right : " Hooray ! My brotehrs's dead ! "... WTF ?!
Yeah i think i remarked before how removal of the symbiote was supposed to kill the host but maybe mac gargan didn't have it long enough. Eddie Brock sure as hell did though. I don't really know what happened in that storyline though but Eddie somehow ended up with another symbiote...
As for Spidey replacing Johnny storm: Fine by me! I don't think anyone really like Johnny anyway and I don't think this is even Spidey's first tour of duty with the FF. Although I guess it doesn't have the number 4 in it anymore so I wouldn't be surprised if they actually add more members. I'll try it out.
I've got more of a problem with Spidey and Wolverine being on BOTH Avengers teams. Really takes away from the idea of there even being two avengers teams in the first place.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:I've got more of a problem with Spidey and Wolverine being on BOTH Avengers teams. Really takes away from the idea of there even being two avengers teams in the first place.
We're still in Dark Reign over here. I don't know the current Avenger layout.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:I've got more of a problem with Spidey and Wolverine being on BOTH Avengers teams. Really takes away from the idea of there even being two avengers teams in the first place.
We're still in Dark Reign over here. I don't know the current Avenger layout.
I'm only reading New Avengers. Which, at this point, is still the "underground" team hunted by the Dark Avengers. Spidey, Wolverine, Bucky Cap, Cage, Spider-Woman etc.
If you're refering to the Dark Avengers as second team, I thought their whole point was that they were copies of the real avengers. Daken impersonating Logan, Venom looking like Spidey. Don't tell me they're still around after Dark Reign ends.
Anung Un Rama wrote:I'm only reading New Avengers. Which, at this point, is still the "underground" team hunted by the Dark Avengers. Spidey, Wolverine, Bucky Cap, Cage, Spider-Woman etc.
If you're refering to the Dark Avengers as second team, I thought their whole point was that they were copies of the real avengers. Daken impersonating Logan, Venom looking like Spidey. Don't tell me they're still around after Dark Reign ends.
No but they were around for 2 years. Get it, its good - same writer.
You know I wouldn't mind if spidey actually joined the FF and that was it. Yet you know this costume will not appear in other spidey comics. It will be treated almost like a seperate character and not affect the other comics.
Lord Scythican wrote:You know I wouldn't mind if spidey actually joined the FF and that was it. Yet you know this costume will not appear in other spidey comics. It will be treated almost like a seperate character and not affect the other comics.
Of course you never know...it could happen.
So you prefer that it is more isolated or less isolated?
Lord Scythican wrote:You know I wouldn't mind if spidey actually joined the FF and that was it. Yet you know this costume will not appear in other spidey comics. It will be treated almost like a seperate character and not affect the other comics.
Of course you never know...it could happen.
So you prefer that it is more isolated or less isolated?
Less Isolated. If they are going to do it, then do it. For example, when Iron Man is part of the Avengers it is not isolated to the Avengers comic. Every comic has him as part of the avengers even if the stories are not directly related to the events in the Avengers.
If spidey is joining the team, then I expect it to be apparent in every comic that Spidey is featured in.
Lord Scythican wrote:You know I wouldn't mind if spidey actually joined the FF and that was it. Yet you know this costume will not appear in other spidey comics. It will be treated almost like a seperate character and not affect the other comics.
Of course you never know...it could happen.
So you prefer that it is more isolated or less isolated?
Less Isolated. If they are going to do it, then do it. For example, when Iron Man is part of the Avengers it is not isolated to the Avengers comic. Every comic has him as part of the avengers even if the stories are not directly related to the events in the Avengers.
If spidey is joining the team, then I expect it to be apparent in every comic that Spidey is featured in.
I guess so. In the last Amazing Spider-Man Spidey called in his Avengers buddies for a big problem he couldn't handle himself. I would like it more isolated. Let it breath and distinguish itself on its own for a while.
Anung Un Rama wrote:I still won't buy more Spidey until they retcon One more Day.
You already getting new avengers!
Yeah, my brother and I still read that one. It started before OMD and thankfully they almost don't mention it at all.
Remember that one time Daredevil went nuts and Spider-Man, Cage, Iron Fist and more heroes met in the park in civilian clothes and talk about it. Man, those were the days.
It was pretty good at first. A lot of his stuff is sadistic, but in a funny way. It's bit like Preacher. Very violent, but in a ridicoulus Shoot 'em up kinda way. What you have to watch out for, is the point where Ennis decided to stop writing funny and only do completly serious Punisher stories, which basically killed the series.
Plus, you'll have to live with Steven Dillons artwork. I hope you like the first male face you'll see in that comic. Because that's the only one he can draw.
So the thing about Marvel and DC is that they are old. They can't change things up to much with their big IPs. Basically what I'm saying is the more things change the more they stay the same.
So you know what's pretty good lately; sometimes. Marvel's Ultimate pocket universe. Once upon a time they just wanted to tell stories of spider-man when he was young but it got popular and next thing you know it was its own fully developed universe. But after 10 or so years it started to defeat the purpose of its existense which was to be just about The Marvel universe when it was younger. It started to get bogged down in its own continuity and basically it was just Marvel U 2. They figured out that what's the point of having a second continuity if its just only slightly different? Let's this thing up, and in Ultamatum they killed everyone! And then they killed a bunch of people after that! And the most crazy thing of all is when they get killed they stay dead! Lately it seems to me they are trying to make it as different from the main uni as possible including having The Thing metamorphosize into a new superhuman type guy, having Reed Richards go evil and become that universe's main supervillian (and a scary one at that) have JJJ know Spidey's true identity and actually protect spider-man.
Anyways, I bring this up because they are now doing an event called "The Death of Spider-Man" and I wonder if its his actual permanent death? If so I think they would probably have to close up shop in the Ultimateverse after that.
I'm actually surprised that Wolverine is dead-dead in the Ultimate Universe. Ultimate Spider-Man is pretty fun though (and, once again, helps me getting my Spider-fix without touching anything OMD-related). I've also read the first two stories of the new ultimate Avengers, they were pretty good as well.
Anung Un Rama wrote:I'm actually surprised that Wolverine is dead-dead in the Ultimate Universe. Ultimate Spider-Man is pretty fun though (and, once again, helps me getting my Spider-fix without touching anything OMD-related). I've also read the first two stories of the new ultimate Avengers, they were pretty good as well.
Yep, he is dead-dead. It's funny how we're in a place in comics where its shocking when somebodies is actually dead. As in "You mean he's actually, really dead!?". The other day Kingpin was thrown out a skyscraper window and after his smooshy splat it like "Whoa, they actually killed Kingpin". That was post-Ultimatum where they killed someone on every page. Ultimate X looked like it was going to be interesting with his son but I guess it's in delayed shipping hell now.
Yeah, its good. Not sure where you are in the timeline but like I was saying before the main problem with the two now is that the teams are indistinguisable except for Luke Cage being the main dude in New Avengers.
The last issue I read was Siege, so after that there's one more and then the Heroic Age starts.
Thing is, New Avengers got really boring after a while. But I love Romitas artwork (not as much to make me buy anything post-OMD Spider-Man though) and that really got me interested.
I'm not sure what the Heroic age is supposed to even mean other than 'The Dark Reign is over". IIRC New Avengers restarts around then. I still like it and "Avengers" too.
That's pretty much it. Heroic Age means that after Civil War, Secret Invasion and Dark Reign we're finally back to some good ol' fashioned Superheroing. It's the current status quo for the Marvel Universe as was Dark Reign before that.
I can't stand the Skrulls, so Secret Invasion was pretty boring to me.
Also, the Butler did it.
Because Deadpool was in it, I recently read Messia War. By Gork, stories with Cable are stupid. And look at X-Force. There so violent and brutal and edgy. Did we end up in the 90s again?
Yeah I'm reading Uncanny X-Force right now and its pretty good. I like the idea of a mutant black-ops kill-team so i probably should have gotten on board with it earlier but the new team has a good roster.
I've recently ordered the entire Deadpool Secret Invasion and Dark Reign run. And I loved it!
Especially the artist, Carlo Barberi, who's a perfect fit for the character.
Uh, the first one is from Liefeld. I'm already looking forward to that one.
I guess it starts with what that page calls Volume 2. I have the originals so back then it just started on Issue #1 and is usually refered to as Vol. 1. (Stupid convoluted comic book numbering system. They even have 649.1 issues now.) Anyways that other Vol.1 is probably still good though. Probably covers his relationship or lack there of with Siren.
There a bit more expensive than the usual TPBs I get from amazon. I'll put them on the list and order them later.
Did you read "Monkey Business"? It's a 'Pool/Spidey Crossover and therefor has to be awesome.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I'm checking out some more 'Pool stuff on Amazon. There seem to be quite a few hardcovers around. And there is so much, I'm not sure what to read. Deadpool Corps, Deadpool Team-Up... and then there's the running series in Germany and I'm not sure what actually will be in those.
I may have read "Monkey Business". Sounds like that time Deadpool fought a monkey...
Those titles are from what I call the Deadpool fatigue era. Somehow he magically became the most popular character at Marvel and then they overdid it. He's seriously had 5-6 monthly titles there for a while. I recommend sticking to Joe Kelly's Deadpool.
I think I'll give Monkey Business a shot, since it's still from me favourite Deadpool creative team. Still, old Deadpool sounds like fun. I haven't read much of his old stuff, but he was brilliant every time he showed up. Like the Dardevil and Punisher crossovers.
Zatanna continues to be a blast, and I still enjoy I, Zombie a massive amount as well. Brightest Day is wrapping up soon -- sequel/follow up already announced.
Quite taken with some of the Flashpoint alternative titles -- http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/page/3/ -- good to see Dan Abnett writing for DC again.
Straczynski's DC books are getting scathing reviews. WW is as bad as they say but I didn't think Superman was really that all that bad. It's not that good either mind you. Dropped both. Sorry, that's no DC for me s8n .
Saw something from Vertigo that looked like it might be interesting: DMZ. Appears to be about the second American civil war, anyone read it?
I should probably get All-Star. Didn't pick up on it right away because I didn't really know what it was, but I guess it's kind of like "Ultimate DC". Don't bother getting WW or Superman.
Don't know if you've heard of it Anung but the best JLA story ever was written by Straczynski and didn't even have the JLA in it! Get "Supreme Power" if you have a chance.
Yes, All-Star is pretty much DCs ultimate but we can all thank the new Gods that it stopped. Why I'm sure All-Star Superman can be enjoyed a some people, it also brought us the atrocity know as All-Star Batman.
Superman is one really weird story. It's very Silver Age-y, but I didn't enjoy it as much as the Brave and the Bold-cartoon. Some people say it is the definite Superman story, but somehow I feel Red Son does a better job of explaining the character.
I used to be more into comics but kind of died off when i found my copy of wolverine #3 behind my mates bathroom door all scrunched and ruined! couldn't afford to replace it. but i was into old comics my nan (rest her soul) used to get from the second hand bookshop for me, old Black canary and Deadman comics! great stuff very dark, and recently i've just re- read the DV8 series, good but it got very weak towards the end of the series. i'd love to see what else is good out there?
So I was in a comic book shop for the first time in a long time the other day and noticed a comic that I thought might be interesting. Has anyone read the Dungeons and Dragons comic that is fairly new and what are your thoughts on it? Is it worth it? Thanks for any advice.
I didn't think a Captain America movie could overcome the inherent cheesiness of Captain America but quite frankly that movie looks like it could be really good.
The core of the character really isn't that cheesy once you get past the costume. The serum is a sci-fi element, but note that it doesn't actually make him superhuman...just essentially a perfect human.
Now, certainly the character's been handled in cheesy ways over the decades. But Ed Brubaker finally elevated that book to what it could have been a long time ago. Although I think the book has leveled off a bit since Bucky took the shield.
Anyway, I like most everything I've seen about the movie* and think they seem to be taking the right approach...but I'm gonna reserve judgment until I see it. I'm a Cap curmudgeon. There...I said it.
*Steve Rogers is crazy puny. I think they're taking visual cues from the John Byrne origin from the '80s, but I preferred the origin treatment in "The Adventures of Captain America" from the early '90s. In that, he was a tall, skinny beanpole...so the serum just filled him out rather than lengthening his femurs, etc. I admit this is all nitpicking, mind you.
gorgon wrote:The core of the character really isn't that cheesy once you get past the costume. The serum is a sci-fi element, but note that it doesn't actually make him superhuman...just essentially a perfect human.
Now, certainly the character's been handled in cheesy ways over the decades. But Ed Brubaker finally elevated that book to what it could have been a long time ago. Although I think the book has leveled off a bit since Bucky took the shield.
Anyway, I like most everything I've seen about the movie* and think they seem to be taking the right approach...but I'm gonna reserve judgment until I see it. I'm a Cap curmudgeon. There...I said it.
*Steve Rogers is crazy puny. I think they're taking visual cues from the John Byrne origin from the '80s, but I preferred the origin treatment in "The Adventures of Captain America" from the early '90s. In that, he was a tall, skinny beanpole...so the serum just filled him out rather than lengthening his femurs, etc. I admit this is all nitpicking, mind you.
Some of Cap's other cheesey elements is him not killing people in WWII despite being a soldier. However, the trailer shows him shooting a gun so I'm thinking this is gonna be better than the comic.
Anyways, like a lot of Canadians I was not too impressed with Cap. However during Civil War he came out as a total badass mutherfether and now I'm actually a big fan.
That movie seems like it's going to knock it out of the park or be horrible. Hopefully its good it looks like it costs a bazzilion dollars to make.
p.s. the ring can make mini-guns?
Still rocking the JLI and Brightest Day series, also picked up #1 of the new FF series, looks lovely and some great ideas in there. little WTF over some of the characters in the book -- but that's to be expected I guess. Felt it was a little overhyped overall, but I'll give it a few issues and see how it goes.
Is anyone watching Smallville. I quit with the 2nd season but was interested in it again since I first heard about episodes with Flash and Green Arrow. And now there'll be an episode with Blue Beetle and Booster Gold.
Is this show wort watching (again)? Or can I just pick out a few episodes without watching the entire 10 season run?
reds8n wrote: Still rocking the JLI and Brightest Day series, also picked up #1 of the new FF series, looks lovely and some great ideas in there. little WTF over some of the characters in the book -- but that's to be expected I guess. Felt it was a little overhyped overall, but I'll give it a few issues and see how it goes.
I got it too. Same reaction. It's apparent that its not really FF #1 but FF # 588 (or whatever). I'll give it a few more too. I like the concept though. If you look at all the other marvel super-teams like the X-men and Avengers they've literally had like hundreds of roster changes. They also started with 4-5 members too but have grown . The Fantastic Four have stayed pretty much the same because of their name. I wonder if there roster will become as malleable as the other teams or wether they'll just bring Johnny Storm back from the dead and hit the reset button.
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Anung Un Rama wrote:Is anyone watching Smallville. I quit with the 2nd season but was interested in it again since I first heard about episodes with Flash and Green Arrow. And now there'll be an episode with Blue Beetle and Booster Gold.
Is this show wort watching (again)? Or can I just pick out a few episodes without watching the entire 10 season run?
NO! Horrible. Every season is worst than the last.
Anung Un Rama wrote:Is anyone watching Smallville. I quit with the 2nd season but was interested in it again since I first heard about episodes with Flash and Green Arrow. And now there'll be an episode with Blue Beetle and Booster Gold.
Is this show wort watching (again)? Or can I just pick out a few episodes without watching the entire 10 season run?
NO! Horrible. Every season is worst than the last.
Anung Un Rama wrote:Is anyone watching Smallville. I quit with the 2nd season but was interested in it again since I first heard about episodes with Flash and Green Arrow. And now there'll be an episode with Blue Beetle and Booster Gold.
Is this show wort watching (again)? Or can I just pick out a few episodes without watching the entire 10 season run?
NO! Horrible. Every season is worst than the last.
But but but....Live Action Booster Gold! :(
Really? I'm sure he's in like one episode. I still cannot condone watching that show.
Automatically Appended Next Post: So Geeks, how many comics do you guesstimate you own?
I think I got about 1100 myself.
One of which is Fear Itelf #1. Resounding 'meh" on that one. Still couldn't really tell you what this event is about. Something to do with Nazis and Asgardians. Apparently Odin is alive again when the hell did that happen? It also features a riot in New York because of a mosque being built near ground zero
Don't hold your breath. Has Uncanny X-Force pipped on your Deadpool radar yet Anung? It's pretty good. He isn't the main focus of it but I like the Team so far. Mutant wetworks.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:.
One of which is Fear Itelf #1. Resounding 'meh" on that one. Still couldn't really tell you what this event is about. Something to do with Nazis and Asgardians. Apparently Odin is alive again when the hell did that happen?
I agree. I don't follow Thor, but last time I saw Asgard was in Siege when Sentry did it over...
.. and now... but... if he's.. fix with a click of the finger then...
Most odd. Still female anti Thor ... ?... and Odin.. ins't Odin then ?
Oh well.
It also features a riot in New York because of a mosque being built near ground zero
how weird was that whole scene ? I wonder if the editors fiddles with it in some way, it was somewhat crass.
I assume that was there so they can crowbar in the return of Steve to the Cap. role later this summer.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Killed by smoking?! What an unusually realistic way for a superhero to die. So does that mean Montoya is got that weird faceless thing going on now?
Amongst other things.
Spoiler:
Such as the biblical Mark of Cain on her forehead.
Read the first issue of the new Avengers. The art is nice, but not quite on the level I'm used from Romita. And I'm not a big fan of the Avengers' kids coming back. I was hoping we'd be done with them after the animated movie.
That paired with the fact that Avengers only comes out together with the New Avengers means that I wont continue reading the series. There are too many cool amazon tradepaperbacks I'm interested in.
Has anyone read the new Batman Beyond stuff? Is it any good?
Don't worry the Next Avengers kids aren't in there much. They do foreshadow that Bucky-Cap will become evil and do something very evil in the future though which I thought was interesting.
Brightest Day came to a satisfying conclusion. very happy to see
Spoiler:
a return of Swamp Thing ! to the mainstream DC universe
and even more surprised by the appearence and language used on the last page. Made me chuckle, and I guess the word is perhaps not widely used in the USA so isn't seen as offensive. I recall them getting away with it in episodes of Buffy years ago.
.. well, that and chuckling at the unfortunate moniker of one Thomas spanker who worked on the show.
The JLI title also finished, and is being followed up with an ongoing series later, which I'm happy about. Mainly as I'm daftly fond of Captain Atom and think post his own series/the demise of JLE he's been treated badly and he's a cool character who deserves better.
Zatanna was a fill in issue, and I worked out, more or less, how to solve the issue, but it was a fun little read for a filler issue.
LoS I'm a bit torn about. I haven't picked up the adventure comics stories/arcs so am a little lost, and it seems I have also missed the one shot villains book which I'll have to track down. But I'll stick with it for the moment. Some nice art and some intriguing ideas, especially to do with the GLs of that era.
Also picked up the next tpbk of The Boys, this one collecting Hamish' own mini series. Hmm... wasn't as impressed with this one as some of the previous books. Some funny jokes in it, but once again I felt that Ennis had written or used many of them before in past works. Some ncie references to UK comics and the like, but I think the recent Knight & Squire series did a much better, and funnier job of this.
Lol, I didn't know that was an actual swear word to the point of being censored over there. Over here it's considered less of a curse than Bangers & Mash! Yet they just go around spelling their cigarettes with an F. Oh well, it's all poppycock I say.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Superman has renounced his American Citizenship.
Hmm...after looking up some info on that, I just realized it was issue #900. It will not be too much longer before he hits 1000. Are there any others that are close to that? I can't think of any that have passed that point.
BTW forget about those marvel comics that are numbered 1000. That's kind of lame.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Superman has renounced his American Citizenship.
Hmm...after looking up some info on that, I just realized it was issue #900. It will not be too much longer before he hits 1000. Are there any others that are close to that? I can't think of any that have passed that point.
BTW forget about those marvel comics that are numbered 1000. That's kind of lame.
I think Marvel was trying to beat them with a thrice monthly Amazing Spider-Man. However, the quality suffered and now they've gone done to twice monthly. I don't think that's enough to win the race to 1,000.
Reading new Turok. Issue 2 answered a question I always had: Turok is Omamiwini. A totally obscure tribe I've never heard of but a real one that I believe is part of the Algonquin peoples.
Throw in some belligerent Aztecs, African Panther people, dinosaurs and some dude with lighting-phaser-gun-thing and a good time is being had by all.
Anung Un Rama wrote:The last USM story I read was Tainted Love, the one with the Chameleon. I hate evil Doppelganger stories.
Just orderer a few 'pool TPBs from Amazon. The first two Classics and the Spider-Man Team-Up.
That USM story arc was definitely uncomfortable but that's why I'm digging the ultimate verse now. When JJJ got shot in the head I honestly didn't know if he was alive or dead. Now he knows spidey's Parker. As you know in normal Universe that would have to be undone with a magical spell.
Don't know if you got the Ultimate Mystery/Doom/Enemy trilogy or mini-series but some big changes in there too.
Hope you like the deadpool trades. They start of hilarious but get darker and darker. Prepare for more uncomfortableness.
I'm not sure if "uncomfortable" is the word I would use. Evil Doppelgangers are just the trope I'm most tired of, because they always play out the same way. Villian looks like hero, acts like a completly different person which alienates his friends and allies. And even though it wasn't him, the damage is done. I just can't stand those stories.
I think there was something called Ultimate Enemy, but I didn't read it.
Recently I bought the Assassin's Creed TPB, the one with the Russian Assassin. It was okay, but only the next game will show the importance to the plot of the games.
are you talking about the old books or are there cvurrently new book out there?
back in my comic book days i really liked alpha flight and the characters for me were quite different from the all over the place americans ...that was of course before marvel had a rerun of the whole characterschtick every half an hour...
the old series i loved to tell you the truth.. shaman and sasquatch and box and northstar...or puck... loved puck...eh?^^ the series had a nice touch... and of course i came from the x-men books to alpha flight...but the charm of the charcters and their struggles got me... back in my days then i had quite the big collections of the series...and mind you i started in german alpha versions but soon had to switch as the translation was just horrible and tended to leave out so much plot and charcter development... in germany most comic in the early times had not been handlettered...total crap...
Viktor von Domm wrote:the old series i loved to tell you the truth.. shaman and sasquatch and box and northstar...or puck... loved puck...eh?^^ the series had a nice touch... and of course i came from the x-men books to alpha flight...but the charm of the charcters and their struggles got me... back in my days then i had quite the big collections of the series...and mind you i started in german alpha versions but soon had to switch as the translation was just horrible and tended to leave out so much plot and charcter development... in germany most comic in the early times had not been handlettered...total crap...
Well Sasquatch is still there due to being indestructable. Shaman's back and Northstar too. (pssst, Northstar is totally gay. Don't know if this is mainstream's comics first dude-on-dude inter-racial kiss but there ya go)
marvel now as i recall has quite some gay charcters...it is still a shame that the interracial thing is such a big issue...oh i forgot and just remebered vidicator...quite a good leaderess with lots of problems and issues...the series lived from the problems the charcters encountered due to their privat life or the things they mostly caused by them selves... the only team i recall acting mostly on emergency calls and assignments were the west coast avengers...^^ but they got canceled even earlier than AF...
Automatically Appended Next Post: by the way... who draws that new book of AF?
Vindicator is back too. I think the only guy who isn't back is Puck. He's Dead or retired or something.
Art by Ben Oliver, Dan Green. It's pretty good.
hmmm not a great impact....tho my last marvel book was at least about 5-10 years back i have to say the art didn´t tempt me... a bit of byrne influence but the actual art is a bit too downtrodden for my taste...i tried to catch as much as i could from the story ...but then it was just a teaser^^
i hope the lost members will get their apeareances later on... also i hope that puck comes back to life... if i recall correctly he died earlier before and came back... in comics no one is dead for long...hopefully...^^
I'm just getting through the first birds of prey series. About issue eighty five of one fifteen or so. I look forward to the second Birds of Prey series...
Enjoyed "Flashpoint" #1 very much,a tighter and more engaging story than "Fear: Whateveritscalled" IMO. Zatanna continues to be a fun read and I am finding myself drawn to perhaps picking up Power Girl too..
Batman and Robin is....alright. Solid enough but I miss Morrison's craziness, might drop this perhaps and get Batman Inc. instead. Shame as I do dig Damien as Robin.
That's some pretty lame nerdrage you've dreged up there reds8n. You can find someone on the interent to say anything. Oh look here's some random nerd that likes it: http://cinegeek.com/BOOKS/2007/civil_war.htm I guess that means its good.
It might well be nerdrage but it is at least well thought and considered nerdrage.
What does your link offer...
Marvel launched the most universe altering series called Civil War.
Course they did, as we can see from the vast impact it's stil having.. err.. oh, wait a minute.
It's almost like they dug themselves into such a corner with the story, that they'd have to effectively erase most of it away, perhaps even magically, if they wanted to continue the status quo which is the main priority after all it seems.
I am especially tickled that the author thinks the Fantastic Four splitting up... for only the 13th or 14th time ! .. was so monumental. Good job that lasted so long and.. oh, all back together by the series end. Ah well.
Still, at least we've got Penance and that giant black guy is still dead. That'll fundamentally alter the underpinning structure of the Marvel Universe.
The fact that subsequent stories have undone what happened in Civil War is a problem with the subsequent stories not civil war itself.
The fact that the more things change the more the stay the same is a major problem with the superhero genre as a whole. When major changes were happening with civil war and dark reign people complained about them changing the status quo (which I find dumb) and now that things are getting back to more normalcy (which is being overexaggereted btw) they complain about that. The main point is that people on the Internet complain.
Same, watched x-men cartoon and got comic but don't now. In the 90s X-men ruled the world but now marvel is more about the Avengers. Seriously, everyone is an avenger now.
What's Frank up to these days anyway? The last thing I read from him was All-Star and I think he did the Spirit-movie after that. Haven't heard anything from him.
I think his main problem can be summed up in a single sentence: Frank Miller never left Sin City.
Don't get me wrong, I like Sin City. What I don't like is Batman being a violent, psychotic donkey.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Dark age?
Sorry to hear Frank Miller is going down the tubes. He used to be so good.
The Dark Age of Comics, you know, the age where everyone was trying to be more like Liefeld. Guns, pouches, moral ambiguity, pouches, huge meat slabs as muscle, pouches, hideously deformed spines for women, pouches, darker settings, pouches, murder, pouches, etc.
Finished the first Deadpool Classics. His introduction was very Liefeld (even featured at least 2 of the worst 40 linked above ), the circle chase was nice, though also filled with 90s cliches. The last story in the TPB is from Joe Kelly, and I really enjoyed that one.
Anung Un Rama wrote:Finished the first Deadpool Classics. His introduction was very Liefeld (even featured at least 2 of the worst 40 linked above ), the circle chase was nice, though also filled with 90s cliches. The last story in the TPB is from Joe Kelly, and I really enjoyed that one.
Automatically Appended Next Post: While reading (comic) books, I'll try to imagine a certain voice in my head when reading different characters. Nolan North voiced Deadpool in Hulk vs. and Marvel vs. Capcom 3 and it really works. Until 'pool takes his mask of and I can't shake the feeling he'd have to sound completly different.
Yeah the guy who's been doing Batman in the cartoons for the last 20 years is totally Batman in my head. All the voices for the 90s X-Men were perfect too.
Seriously, what's the point? To get it in line with the new Wonder Woman nobody likes? Batman just came back from the dead and started a company. And what was that about Superman renouncing his American citizenship? Why stop all that?
I've been reading more of Joe Kelly's Deadpool and it's really good. He's still wacky, but not as extreme as in his current series. Looking forward to the rest of the book.
Also read the first Deadpool Corps TPB. Didn't really enjoy it. Dogpool had a certain charme, but since Liefeld knows his own reputaion it's no fun anymore. Kid Deadpool was really weird and their first story together looked absolutly horrible.
As a bit of a fanboy I don't really see the value in getting rid of X years worth of continuity.
.. but comic book sales -- for all companies, not just DC -- are falling and falling every year. So someone has to do something to try and galvanise the market and the push into the digital world that this also entails is a good try at that. And if you look at the number of TV shows and films that have ( to vastly differing degrees of course) benefited from a similar reboot or imagining there is thought here.
Generally I'm all for a comic book universe being diverse with regards to ethnicity, gender and so on as well. If we're happy to accept the idea of men and women flying, shooting lasers etc etc then I don't really think a black character to a homosexual one is exactly a huge stretch for the imagination. If we can accept Plastic Man and Wonder Woman and the Spectre then....
Some of the redesigns I'm a little iffy over, but that's by the by and can and will change as the books roll out.
And I am kind of stoked over some of the known crews -- Morrison on Superman is awesome, and it's a cold man who isn't excited by Johns and Lee on the JLA featuring the big guns of the DC universe.
Dreading, potentially, another change to the Legion of Superheroes, I'm hoping they'll leave them alone for a wee while perhaps, renumbering aside.
.. so.. overall.. I can see and understand the reasoning for the changes, I'm just a bit sad that it's come to this. It's a bit like watching a favourite player be sold on from a sportsteam kind of feeling.
I mean I read and enjoyed the whole Superman wedding story XXX years ago. And I can see whole it wouldn't be possible for Superman to divorce or Lois to die. And the classic trope is, of course, his identity being a secret to her, that's the image in the publics' mind and, from a £/$ perspective that's part of the characters' brand.
... it's just... I know the writers will do their best, and lots of the stories will be awesome and all that... but this is, for me, just a reminder that these characters are really nothing more than a cash generator for a corporation. Which I know of course but this just feels a bit too corporate for me.
Yes it does, s8n. I can't shake the feeling that this is similar to what happened to Spider-Man with the-event-that-shall-not-be-named. Maybe the motivation behind it was different but the outcome is similar.
I like the changes I've seen over the years in comic books. I liked Spidey's new powers, suit and real connection to the Avengers. On the DC side I've only read Batman, but I've enjoyed the changes there as well. Hush is still on of my favourite comics of all time, mostly because it distilles so much of what Batman is actually about and how he changed over the years. I'm sad to see him go.
Personally, I hope that Montoya becomes a bigger feature in this online reboot... I doubt it though. The Question is a cult classic type deal rather than a mainstream one...
The Renee Question is actually the sort of character I'd expect to get a bit more focus as/when this new edition rolls out.
I think the move to the digital download like this is brave and nasty at the same time.
It effectively does feth over a lot of comic book stores... but that's going to happen eventually anyway and it makes sense for DC to do their best to grab the market share whilst they can.
And I understand they need or want new readers, but in some ways this almost feels like long term readers like myself are almost being ignored or pushed away, "my" comic book universe wasn't good enough.. so it has to go. I know that sounds daft, especially as we have next to no idea what will be kept or thrown out... but I liked the changes ( some anyway) that characters had undergone, I approved of or debated the merits of the new costume, power, logo etc etc and it almost feels like I'm being told that wasn't enough.
As a bit of a fanboy I don't really see the value in getting rid of X years worth of continuity.
.. but comic book sales -- for all companies, not just DC -- are falling and falling every year. So someone has to do something to try and galvanise the market and the push into the digital world that this also entails is a good try at that. And if you look at the number of TV shows and films that have ( to vastly differing degrees of course) benefited from a similar reboot or imagining there is thought here.
Generally I'm all for a comic book universe being diverse with regards to ethnicity, gender and so on as well. If we're happy to accept the idea of men and women flying, shooting lasers etc etc then I don't really think a black character to a homosexual one is exactly a huge stretch for the imagination. If we can accept Plastic Man and Wonder Woman and the Spectre then....
Some of the redesigns I'm a little iffy over, but that's by the by and can and will change as the books roll out.
And I am kind of stoked over some of the known crews -- Morrison on Superman is awesome, and it's a cold man who isn't excited by Johns and Lee on the JLA featuring the big guns of the DC universe.
Dreading, potentially, another change to the Legion of Superheroes, I'm hoping they'll leave them alone for a wee while perhaps, renumbering aside.
.. so.. overall.. I can see and understand the reasoning for the changes, I'm just a bit sad that it's come to this. It's a bit like watching a favourite player be sold on from a sportsteam kind of feeling.
I mean I read and enjoyed the whole Superman wedding story XXX years ago. And I can see whole it wouldn't be possible for Superman to divorce or Lois to die. And the classic trope is, of course, his identity being a secret to her, that's the image in the publics' mind and, from a £/$ perspective that's part of the characters' brand.
... it's just... I know the writers will do their best, and lots of the stories will be awesome and all that... but this is, for me, just a reminder that these characters are really nothing more than a cash generator for a corporation. Which I know of course but this just feels a bit too corporate for me.
,, make any sense ?
Yes, it does. This is a damned if you do damned if you don't situation for DC. (although honestly I think it more of a damned if you do). The other day people were complaining on Manchu's Batman thread that he needed a "crisis" even to reset him. I agree that Batman not being Batman in Gotham is weird and just feels wrong but what about continuity?
Just lke our Civil War debates (which btw you don't have a leg to stand on anymore I'll try not to rub it in too much) the main problem I find with Comic Books is the writers lack bravery. When major changes are made you know they're just going to go back. When Spider-Man unmasked himself in front of the White House I remember my buddy and I saying "how are they going to undo this one"....and then y'know, they did. Everytime they undo something it makes all subsequent events of importance seem pointless. It's a serious problem.
The more I think about this the less I like it. I think the original Crisis was very much needed, things were really messed up back then but I just don't think this one is. It'll be wiping out everything from '85 to 2011 and for what? Fans like you even called it their new golden age.
Anyways, what's this about Homosexual African Americans? I seemed to have missed that in your links.
At first I was OK with it, after all, sales are flat and/or down, so I can see the thinking behind it...
But then...
Jim Lee wrote:
"We really want to inject new life in our characters and line," says Dan DiDio, co-publisher of DC with Lee. "This was a chance to start, not at the beginning, but at a point where our characters are younger and the stories are being told for today's audience."
Uh oh!
Could it be the 'Wonder Woman Debacle" all over again?!?
And here I was thinking that JMS' changes to Wonder Woman were going to get retconned right out of existence!
Also, "DC Entertainment's Senior Vice President of Sales, Bob Wayne, issued a letter to retailers addressing the announcement. While no prices were discussed for the new books or their digital counterparts, Wayne addressed the question of narrative continuity:"
Bob Wayne wrote:
We have taken great care in maintaining continuity where most important, but fans will see a new approach to our storytelling. Some of the characters will have new origins, while others will undergo minor changes.
So, KamikazeCanuck, that could be some of your 'changes' right there!
reds8n wrote:The Renee Question is actually the sort of character I'd expect to get a bit more focus as/when this new edition rolls out.
I hope so. She was excellently written in Final Crisis. She just needs her own book now... even if it's just a short miniseries, one that's not tied to some massive crossover event.
Yeah its tough for the big two. At least it is for their big IPs. There's a public perception of what Spider-Man and Batman et al should be and they can't stray too far from it.
Anyways, why aren't any of you reading The Walking Dead!? Read it now! (from the beginning).
Melissia wrote:Because I have a set of tastes in comics, and zombie comics don't generally fit in with them.
I also have a low opinion of Image Comics, but that's another issue that's probably linked to Rob Liefeld and therefor I should discard it...
You need to get over the brands. Good stories are good stories no matter who publishes them. TWD isn't as much about zombies as you think. You haven't expressed that much interest in superheroes but for those who did I recommend Invincible.
I brought these two up because they don't suffer from "big 2" syndrome. You really don't know what's going to happen and major events are permanent.
It just hit me that Detective Comics and Action Comics will be numbered #1. Detective frikkin' Comics and Action frikkin Comics! Some of the longest running serial stories in history! Travesty.
Just heard about the reboot. Being an old fart, on one hand I'm kinda tired of reboots (the DC universe having already just been through a mini version), but on the other I'm less concerned about things like continuity. Good stories are good stories...do all the contextual details really matter? Guess that's different for everyone.
I tend to agree with reds8n that this once again underlines these characters being entire corporate brands rather than just characters in a story. Which does seem rather unfortunate from a storytelling standpoint. Suppose it's not unlike GW's conundrum with their core games. You have to overhaul once in a while to keep the customers buying, but you can't actually make many interesting changes without killing the golden goose.
I think this sounds like bad news for the Batman Inc. book, which I really enjoy. But then it sounds like some stuff is staying intact in other books, such as the various colors of Lantern corps. So maybe Batman Inc. sticks, who knows?
And I'm probably in a minority, but I thought JMS's Wonder Woman was at least a fresh approach to the character. Feel like WW's been a lot like Superman in being iconic but lacking great stories. Not saying JMS's story is great either, but at least it's an attempt to get past some of the old baggage. It's kinda funny to me now to consider just how much of the WW character is based in the...preferences of its original writer. It's stuff you'd never pick up on as an innocent kid. Now it's just hit-you-over-the-head obvious from the costume to the lasso to the bracelets to the Amazons to the Amazon's weakness, etc...
On Tuesday, we made the announcement in USA Today that DC was undertaking a historic renumbering of 52 superhero titles across the line, starting with JUSTICE LEAGUE #1 by our superstar creators Geoff Johns and Jim Lee. The cover to issue #1 is by Jim Lee and Scott Williams.
We’re announcing today that several of DC’s most iconic heroes will receive historic new first issues spinning out of the pages of Geoff Johns and Jim Lee’s JUSTICE LEAGUE:
New York Times bestselling writer Brian Azzarello, author of The Joker and 100 Bullets, teams up with the immensely talented artist Cliff Chiang (Neil Young’s Greendale) for WONDER WOMAN #1, an exciting new series starring the DC Universe’s greatest superheroine. The cover to issue #1 is by Cliff Chiang.
Geoff Johns, one of comics’ greatest storytellers, reunites with GREEN LANTERN and BRIGHTEST DAY collaborator Ivan Reis to bring you a thrilling new take on the fan-favorite hero of the sea in AQUAMAN #1. The cover to issue #1 is by Ivan Reis and Joe Prado.
Rising superstar Francis Manapul, fresh off his acclaimed run on THE FLASH with Geoff Johns, makes his comics writing debut in THE FLASH #1, sharing both scripting and art duties with Brian Buccellato. The Flash knows he can’t be everywhere at once, but what happens when he faces an all-new villain who can? The cover to issue #1 is by Francis Manapul and Brian Buccellato.
BRIGHTER DAYS
Welcome to a major new vision of the Nuclear Man as writers Ethan Van Sciver and Gail Simone team up with artist Yildiray Cinar to deliver THE FURY OF FIRESTORM #1. Jason Rusch and Ronnie Raymond are two high school students, worlds apart – and now they’re drawn into a conspiracy of super science that bonds them forever in a way they can’t explain or control. The cover to issue #1 is by Ethan Van Sciver.
Batman writer Tony Daniel will team up with artist Philip Tan (GREEN LANTERN: AGENT ORANGE, THE OUTSIDERS) for THE SAVAGE HAWKMAN #1. Carter Hall’s skill at deciphering lost languages has led him to a job with an archeologist who specializes in alien ruins – but will the doctor’s latest discovery spread an alien plague through New York City? No matter the personal cost, Carter Hall must don his cowl and wings and become the new, savage Hawkman to survive. The cover to issue #1 is by Philip Tan.
Oliver Queen is an orphan who grew up to fight crime as the Green Arrow, a billionaire playboy who uses his fortune to become a superhero – able to fight the most powerful super-villains in the universe with nothing but a bow and arrow. JT Krul will write GREEN ARROW #1 with art by superstar artist Dan Jurgens. The cover to issue #1 is by Brett Booth.
GLOBAL JUSTICE
A team of internationally-drafted superheroes fight each other and their bureaucratic supervisors as much as they do global crime in JUSTICE LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL #1 from writer Dan Jurgens and artist Aaron Lopresti. The cover to issue #1 is by Aaron Lopresti.
The world’s third-smartest man – and one of its most eligible bachelors – uses his brains and fists against science gone mad in MISTER TERRIFIC #1, the new series from writer Eric Wallace and artist Roger Robinson. The cover to issue #1 is by J.G. Jones.
Captain Atom has all the power in the world, but no hope of saving himself. Charged by nuclear energy, possessing vast molecular powers, he has the potential to be a god among men – a hero without limits. But the question is this: Will he lose himself in the process? JT Krul and artist Freddie Williams II take the character in a bold new direction in CAPTAIN ATOM #1. The cover to issue #1 is by Stanley “Artgem” Lau.
BRAVER AND BOLDER
The anthology series gets a new look in DC Universe Presents, a new series that will focus on multi-issue story arcs each featuring a different superhero from the DC Universe’s rich cast of characters, told by some of comics’ most exciting writers and artitsts. DC UNIVERSE PRESENTS #1 kicks off the first arc of the series: a Deadman story by Paul Jenkins and Bernard Chang. The cover to issue #1 is by Ryan Sook
..hmm.. well.... happy to see Captain Atom get his own series once again, and I enjoyed the recent JLI books so I'll give that a try.
Really happy to see Firestorm have a book again.... bit unsure about this origin given what's just happened in Brightest Day.
.. no idea about the Green Arrow book
bit worried about Zatanna from the sounds of this and I guess there's no point in picking up Power Girl now until this Final, Final, FINAL crisis hits.
gorgon wrote:Just heard about the reboot. Being an old fart, on one hand I'm kinda tired of reboots (the DC universe having already just been through a mini version), but on the other I'm less concerned about things like continuity. Good stories are good stories...do all the contextual details really matter? Guess that's different for everyone.
I tend to agree with reds8n that this once again underlines these characters being entire corporate brands rather than just characters in a story. Which does seem rather unfortunate from a storytelling standpoint. Suppose it's not unlike GW's conundrum with their core games. You have to overhaul once in a while to keep the customers buying, but you can't actually make many interesting changes without killing the golden goose.
I think this sounds like bad news for the Batman Inc. book, which I really enjoy. But then it sounds like some stuff is staying intact in other books, such as the various colors of Lantern corps. So maybe Batman Inc. sticks, who knows?
And I'm probably in a minority, but I thought JMS's Wonder Woman was at least a fresh approach to the character. Feel like WW's been a lot like Superman in being iconic but lacking great stories. Not saying JMS's story is great either, but at least it's an attempt to get past some of the old baggage. It's kinda funny to me now to consider just how much of the WW character is based in the...preferences of its original writer. It's stuff you'd never pick up on as an innocent kid. Now it's just hit-you-over-the-head obvious from the costume to the lasso to the bracelets to the Amazons to the Amazon's weakness, etc...
I stopped WW a little while ago. Isn't it turing out to be "all a dream"?
As long as it's not Frank Miller I'm sure it'll be awesome.
TBH I'm a bit tired of batman. Which is why I turned my gaze to lesser characters, like the Birds of Prey series, The Question (both of them, but especially Montoya), and similar B-list characters. Reading 52 for the first time was awesome.
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