halonachos wrote:I would suspect that the germans would develop a robot zombie.
Isnt the whole idea of a zombie a reanimated corpse? A robot would totally contradict that concept :s
Anywho, i have read Max Brooks 'Zombie Survival Guide' more times than i can recall and think it would come in EXTREMELY useful if/when the z-hordes start eating everybody. My biggest issue is, living in the UK, it can be really difficult to procure guns so we'll have a lower chance of survival.
True,the ZSG is written in a very American Centric manner,however...there are (obviously) firearms in the UK,so I suppose it would be a matter of locating an armoury or a gun shop and breaking in.
It is true that lack of privately owned firearms does cut down on the UK populations chances of survival in this scenario.
You could always swim to Ireland where the zombies are after potatos instead of brains.
haloreach4ever wrote:One small question, im new to dakka and dont know of this "doomfart" you speak of but they sound a bit odd.
also does anyone else hate how the spell checker does not recognize dakka?
DoomFart is a trolling group that pretend they can over throw the MODS on dakka. Do a search for them in the OT forum, youll learn quickly.
Also I use Chrome, and my spell checker works just fine on here. And uh, welcome to DAKKA
I'm new and I will exterminate all trolls, or at least ignore them Also how do you get that thing between your handle and avatar?
Second zombie plan, Nuke em'
On Z day....I'm screwed. Best case senario would to be caught on base during working hours. Guns, ammo and trained soliders and a place to get air lifted out.
But, let's face it, a good Z day always starts at night. That means I'm at home. There are ups and downs to this senario.
Italian homes here are built like fortresses. Poured out of concrete, I've got an almost unscalable fence, thick security shutters and a high terrace to over look the entire property. I've got plenty of room for food. The main problem would be water if I got stuck there, so I couldn't stay for long after the water went out.
So, that leaves the ocean, which is just a tantalizing few kilometers away. The problem is that Naples and surrounding area still operates on goat paths that serve as "roads" for far too much traffic. It often feels like little city planning has been done since 1308. Those little streets will clog up faster than a duck on a june bug with all sorts of traffic.
The ocean offers safety in that getting to either Capi or Ischia would mean reletive safety from the zombies. But, everyone will be trying to do that.
My plan? Go the other direction...to the volcano. Mt. Vesuvius is still active and if I'm lucky, Z day will also mean eruption day (as my day couldn't possibly get worse). If I'm going to go, I'd rather be by magma and ash than zombie fangs.
I say we get prepared by taking over a mojor population center, make sure nothing is alive there before hand then flee there when Z-apoc. Day happens...
MWG=miniwargaming (like the other guy said...)
My apocalypse survival guide, intro and section one, zombies:
Apocalypse survival Guide
Section One: Methods of destruction.
Chapter 1: Zombies
Chapter 2: Nuclear Holocaust
chapter 3: World Wide Conflict
Chapter 4: Global Climate Change
Chapter 5: Rapture
Chapter 6: Alien Invasion
Preface
Dear, reader
I hope for your sake you are reading this book either for a good laugh, or just to be prepared. If not, well then may god have mercy on your soul, for you have no doubt entered into a period of human history, unlike anyother, where the dead may walk the earth. A time when, you may be pitted against your Family, your lover, your friends, and even your brothers in amrs. Fear not, however, the trials and tribulations which lie in path for this guid will help give you the knowledge of how to survive.
Section One: Methods of Destruction
One of the most important things to know in an apocalypse is how the apocalypse began. This will have a vast impact on the type of gear you need as well as the survival strategies for a global climate change are vastly different to those of world war III.
Now with that being said there are a few key similarities in the gear you will need to carry, and everyone has different limits as to what they can carry, and you will need to learn how much you can carry your self. However a good average number is about 40lbs. Below you will find the basic starter set for the apocalypse, however, this is only half the story, the rest of the gear you will require will be determined by what kind of apocalypse you find yourself in
Basic Survival Pack
1. Backpack: 1-2lbs
2. Water: 2-3lbs (or more depending on carrying capacity)
3. Multi-tool:1/2 lb or less
4. Flask with 170 proof grain alcohol: 1/2 lb
5. First aid kit: 1/2 lb
6. Magnesium/flint striker: 1/2 lb
7. non perishable food: 3-4 lb
8. assorted campsight cookware: 2-3 lb
9. Sleeping Bag: 6 lb
10. Hatchet: 2 lb
11. Flashlight: 2 lb
Total: 20-25lb
1.Looking for a good backpack will mostly be determined by how much you intend to carry and what kind of apocalypse it is, but a good tip is to look for one that distributes your weight evenly and comfortably.
2. Ah water, the more the better, kinda self explainatory.
3. Okay heres one of the most important tools you can have in an apocalypse. Make sure it has plyers with a notch at the back for bolts, a knife, flat and phillips head screw drivers, a can opener, small scissors, and wire cutter. you do not however need a small saw on it. they are useless, and besides that's what the hatchet is for.
4. Ah alcohol for getting plas... oh wait this is survival. Yeah the alcohol is for disenfecting wounds and stuff. and hey, if you get depressed, your little friend is never more than a flask away.
5. it's the apocalypse and you think your going to get through it without a scratch? yeah, no. Make sure you get a good one, not a wimpy one. Gauze, needle &thread, disenfecting wipes, bandaids, various ointments, all are a must. again, keep weight in mind but do not skimp on this you will regret it.
6. Fire, you'll need it, and there won't be many working stoves around.
7. This will put you on a good start, but you'll need more.
8. Basically a small lightweight pot, eating utensils (if not found on your multi-tool.), and maybe a small heating element or cooking aparatus if you can find a lightweight one.
9. Keeps you warm at night, make sure it's comfortable and you can get out of it quick.
10. you can use it for self defense, but mostly it's a tool for clearing stuff and building stuff.
11. Get yourself a good flashlight, a good maglight can double as an emergency self defense weapon.
Chapter 1: Zombies
No two zombie catasrophies are made alike, and the rules that govern how to survive depend on the type of zombie. Basically there are three traits that describe zombies, Speed,Mothod of infection, and method of re-animiation. Speed will basically determine how to react to the zombies, method of infection, will determine how to avoid becoming one f the undead, and the method of re-animation will impact how to kill them.
Speed:
Slow: This is the classic hollywood shuffling mindless undead. Not much to worry about but do be mindful they are still dangerous. Mostlikely they are the dumbest of the three speed categories of speed, and also are the more noticable being that they are most likely more decayed. Easily outran, or even outwalked, as long as you don't get trapped in or ambushed, you should be fine. think the Original Dawn of the dead movies.
Medium: basically they are of normal walking speed maybe a bit more. Less decayed but still noticably so. you may be able to outrun these but it is still better to just kill them. these are the least likely zombies to encounter. Generally Resident evil like zombies.
Fast: They're mean, they're violent, and they can probably out run you, and tear your spine out your hindquarters. These are the fast zombies, and they are highly dangerous, no matter what method of infection they use. Don't mess around with them, kill them quick. As they are harder to outrun you will have to be a lot more stealthy around them. In additon to being the fastest, and strongest of the three speed types, they are also going to be the smartest.
Method of Re-Animation:
When there is no more room in hell, the dead shall walk the earth: Pray that when Z-day comes, you face these. Generally they are going to be slow or medium speed zombies, and have a chance of retaining part of their character, meaning they are likely less agressive, but not nesscarily.
Method of killng: Headshots, and decapitation are good ways of killing them, like necromancy they are supernaturally empowered but most supernatural means of living zombies are ended by destroying the head.
Threat Level: 1-2 Low
Necromancy: If worldwide, they will probably be slow, if localized, they can be slow, fast or somewhere in between. They are however the most organized, and "intellegent" of all zombies as they are controlled by a living or "undead" human/vampire. also keep in mind they can also weild weapons, and if they are faster, really are more like a military squad (an undying, near immortal squad) than mindless hoard of zombies. Remember these are REALLY not your old friend or wife any more, they are for all purposes, just puppets of the necromancer.
Method of killing: "killing" is not really applicable here, as it would be like saying you killed kermet the frog (the puppet, not actor). Basically removal of the head won't work and cutting them in half will only slow them down. Even immolation won't work, at least not quickly. Burned down to the bone they will continue to walk, or run, and fight. Chop off the arms and or legs to "dispatch", really your just breaking the necromancers puppets.Worse, infection is not required and the dead can be re-animated quickly if near the necromancer. The only respite is that killing the necromancer generally removes the threat and all zombies.
Threat level: 7-10 High to OH fething gak!!!
T-virus like: Re-animates dead corpses, making them a little more resilliant to harm, but they are still just infected people. Medium to fast speed, highly mutative. Infectious, so be carful not to get blood in any open cuts, or get bitten. Wear long sleeve shirts, chainmail if you can find some, and headwear. Mutation can make them extremely dangerous froms, possibly even more dangerous than necromancy zombies, but they are easier to kill. Sleep with an eye open, and check every corner.
Method of killing: this virus will make them more resilliant than normal humans, and even mutate making them harder to kill, but they aren't true undead. They are still living beings and can be dispatched like any medium or large game.... or REALLY large game depending on level of mutation.
Threat level: 5-7 Medium to high
Rabies virus like: Though the last three types are highly unlikely to ever really occur, The rabies virus and weaponizing it through genetic manipulation into a weapon is a real threat. Modified to manifest symptoms in a matter of hours, and not do permanent brain damage, the Super Rabies zombies are extremely dangerous. Unlike the other three, these come in one speed variety: FAST! like necromantic zombies they may be able to wield weapons, and even be cabale of speech, reason, and intellegent behavior. The virus will likely produce extreme volumes of testosterone and other hormones that make the infected extremely hyper violent. Imagine a guy really really high on PCP and he can infect anyone he bites. That's what the rabies zombies are like. They are hard to distinguish even at close ranges, and are the most human like of all zombies, possibly capable of begging for their lives if the virus doesn't mess with the higher parts of the brain too much. all this comes at a cost however, in that this is one type which the infected might be able to fight by sheer force of will, or sedatives. In reality they are closer to warewolves if the moon was always out, than the undead.
Method of killing: Kill them just like any other human... who doesn't feel pain. depending on the exact nature of the virus, you might even be able to reason with them, and society might even go on with them, albeit highly medicated.
Threat level: 7-10 High to OH fething gak!!!
as for me? my plan is to find an underground shelter, I have the weapons I need to get through z-day already, just not a place to stay safe. Islands are nice but likely to get the random infected bird/person that ruins it for everyone. The seed vault is a good end destination but it's a ways away. Cheyenne is another if the military lets people in.
another idea is one of countless abandoned nuclear silos, or non abandond, I mean hey, you could de-zombify large parts of an area.
Well i have thought for many many years if a sudden case of Zombie Apocalypse erupted.
As i live in Denmark we have some ups and down sides of this. As we are connected to the rest of europe so if an infection of Zombies came we would know it would arrive from Germany and up. So we might be able to prepare better.
But some of the huge downsides is that Denmark doesn't really have weapons. No weapon shops no secret hand gun in the closet nor in the car. I mean nothing! Absolutely nothing! Only our military or the police really have guns. And a few ass holes who thinks they are American Gangsters and the Hells Angels.. So we are pretty much defenseless as for weaponry goes. We might be able to muster a few hunting rifles but that's it.
But of course i have taking this in my calucations of how to secure myself and some Civiliens.
As my course of action if the outbreak came it will depend if i can react fast enough. I live in the center of the 5 biggest city in Denmark so if an outbreak came the city will be in total chaos and dissoray. So if i can't steal a car fast enough i will be dead pretty fast.
If i do get a car i will drive a few kilometers out of town where we got a little mall. (I know this really sounds like Dawn of the Dead but it's really a good idea) It's really not that big and it only got 3 entrances so it's easy to secure.
The mall got:
Toilet Facility's
Own power generator
Control room with camera's to see outside and inside the mall
food storage for around a year. Maby more?
Very thick glas so it's impossible to break though! (Unless it's smart zombies and they can handle weapons)
Lock down so gitters come down from the roof to block the windows
Easy to barricade from the inside.
Cloth
ect, ect.
Working tools for weaponry and building defenses
The area where the mall is the best thing. There isen't that many houses around as it's mostly schools. But the houses that are around is retirement homes so the only problem we will get is an army of infested oldies and granny's. So it's not such a big threat.
I do think alot of others have thought the same idea so it will be a race to get there. So the strongest and fastest will prevail! And i can see myself as a ruthless individual if a zombie outbreak occurse i think my chances are pretty high.
But this is only a plan for survival. So the only plan is to secure the area, sit tight and wait for help! I can't think of a plan that will kill zombies nor helping others or anything else. As i am so scared of Zombies! For me there exist no animal no beeing no nothing as scary as a Zombie. So stay secured and wait for someone to help is my plan.
Well this is my Zombie Plan sorry if you see a lot of writing errors and such. Hope you liked it and will throw in a comment or if you got a similar idea as me.
I feel sorry for those of you europeans who have no access to firearms when this gak goes down. I've got:
Ruger mark III with holo sight: easily found massive quantities of ammo
Ruger 10/22
Remington 700 .243 winchester: for sniping
savage 16 in .300 winchester
Beretta 9000s 9x19
FEG PA-63 9x18
.22Mag pocket pistol
yeah I think i'll be ready for the zombie apocalypse. And when it happens, I'll share.
I've got a small collection of knives, from small to larger ones which I will take a few with me when the zombies rise. This is because blades don't need reloading. I also will take my guns. A blunt weapon would be ideal too for smashing up zombies, like a baseball bat, or a club.
Crom wrote:I've got a small collection of knives, from small to larger ones which I will take a few with me when the zombies rise. This is because blades don't need reloading. I also will take my guns. A blunt weapon would be ideal too for smashing up zombies, like a baseball bat, or a club.
Precisely
When the dead rise my knives, maul and thermite supplies are all I need
Crom wrote:I've got a small collection of knives, from small to larger ones which I will take a few with me when the zombies rise. This is because blades don't need reloading. I also will take my guns. A blunt weapon would be ideal too for smashing up zombies, like a baseball bat, or a club.
corpsesarefun wrote:
Crom wrote:I've got a small collection of knives, from small to larger ones which I will take a few with me when the zombies rise. This is because blades don't need reloading. I also will take my guns. A blunt weapon would be ideal too for smashing up zombies, like a baseball bat, or a club.
Precisely
When the dead rise my knives, maul and thermite supplies are all I need
Tell you what, grab a sharp woodcutting ax and attempt to chop dense wood for about two hours straight non stop. The sheer exhaustion you will feel is the main reason why anyone attempting to go uber ninja on the undead will quickly end up as part of their ranks. After about 15min of direct contact (if that) you will have abandoned your knife which is most likely stuck in some still mobile corpse and are running for your life.
Not to mention you are putting yourself within contact range of impact splatter, which when it comes to contracting the infection from it, it isn't a matter of if but more a matter of when.
Crom wrote:I've got a small collection of knives, from small to larger ones which I will take a few with me when the zombies rise. This is because blades don't need reloading. I also will take my guns. A blunt weapon would be ideal too for smashing up zombies, like a baseball bat, or a club.
Precisely
When the dead rise my knives, maul and thermite supplies are all I need
Did you see last night's episode of Mythbusters? They home cooked something on the order 1,100 lbs of thermite and lit up a truck with it. Glorious.
Crom wrote:I've got a small collection of knives, from small to larger ones which I will take a few with me when the zombies rise. This is because blades don't need reloading. I also will take my guns. A blunt weapon would be ideal too for smashing up zombies, like a baseball bat, or a club.
corpsesarefun wrote:
Crom wrote:I've got a small collection of knives, from small to larger ones which I will take a few with me when the zombies rise. This is because blades don't need reloading. I also will take my guns. A blunt weapon would be ideal too for smashing up zombies, like a baseball bat, or a club.
Precisely
When the dead rise my knives, maul and thermite supplies are all I need
Tell you what, grab a sharp woodcutting ax and attempt to chop dense wood for about two hours straight non stop. The sheer exhaustion you will feel is the main reason why anyone attempting to go uber ninja on the undead will quickly end up as part of their ranks. After about 15min of direct contact (if that) you will have abandoned your knife which is most likely stuck in some still mobile corpse and are running for your life.
Not to mention you are putting yourself within contact range of impact splatter, which when it comes to contracting the infection from it, it isn't a matter of if but more a matter of when.
Yeah my family has a wood fire so I spent quite a bit of time chopping wood with our axes, I am perfectly aware of how hard it is.
The UN need to set up some kind of organisation to provide people with information about what to do during a zombie outbreak, at this rate only Dakka members will survive.
Lord-Loss wrote:The UN need to set up some kind of organisation to provide people with information about what to do during a zombie outbreak, at this rate only Dakka members will survive.
No, they shouldn't, less survivors means less people to compete for supplies with
gendoikari87 wrote:is it sad that me and my friend were thinking of how to make a thermite flamethrower?
You can't, thermite doesn't burn with a real flame as such it just melts the iron and aluminium components as the aluminium violently oxidises. If you aerosolize the thermite you just make a huge explosion.
gendoikari87 wrote:is it sad that me and my friend were thinking of how to make a thermite flamethrower?
You can't, thermite doesn't burn with a real flame as such it just melts the iron and aluminium components as the aluminium violently oxidises. If you aerosolize the thermite you just make a huge explosion.
And how does one make this tannerite?
bs, we got it to work. Finely powdered aluminum, Iron Oxide, and magnesium, added to gasoline. Makes a really high heat slurry.
I don't reccomend it though, it was almost as bad as the time we made the thermite napalm.
gendoikari87 wrote:is it sad that me and my friend were thinking of how to make a thermite flamethrower?
You can't, thermite doesn't burn with a real flame as such it just melts the iron and aluminium components as the aluminium violently oxidises. If you aerosolize the thermite you just make a huge explosion.
And how does one make this tannerite?
bs, we got it to work. Finely powdered aluminum, Iron Oxide, and magnesium, added to gasoline. Makes a really high heat slurry.
Not bs, chemistry.
All you did was boost some gasoline with thermite as opposed to making a flamethrower that projects burning aerosolised thermite and nothing else.
Oh thermite napalm now? Because that is also chemically possible and is not at all you making normal napalm and boosting it with thermite.
gendoikari87 wrote:is it sad that me and my friend were thinking of how to make a thermite flamethrower?
You can't, thermite doesn't burn with a real flame as such it just melts the iron and aluminium components as the aluminium violently oxidises. If you aerosolize the thermite you just make a huge explosion.
And how does one make this tannerite?
bs, we got it to work. Finely powdered aluminum, Iron Oxide, and magnesium, added to gasoline. Makes a really high heat slurry.
Not bs, chemistry.
All you did was boost some gasoline with thermite as opposed to making a flamethrower that projects burning aerosolised thermite and nothing else.
Oh thermite napalm now? Because that is also chemically possible and is not at all you making normal napalm and boosting it with thermite.
Dude I'm a physics major with a best friend and fiancee that were chemists, I know the difference, and the net end result was a flamethrower that can melt car hoods, Ergo, thermite flame thrower.
FYI, aerosolized thermite is also a type of thermobaric bomb. it's what the russians used against the taliban.
corpsesarefun wrote:I am aware of the thermobaric properties of aerosolised thermite.
Fun isn't it? My friend who's a chemist (attained hsBS earlier this year) still doesn't understand why thermite explodes like it does when aerosolized, as according to him "it shouldn't matter" because thermite is self oxdizing. I never was able to explain to him why, just that I knew russians used it in their thermobarics.
corpsesarefun wrote:I am aware of the thermobaric properties of aerosolised thermite.
Fun isn't it? My friend who's a chemist (attained hsBS earlier this year) still doesn't understand why thermite explodes like it does when aerosolized, as according to him "it shouldn't matter" because thermite is self oxdizing. I never was able to explain to him why, just that I knew russians used it in their thermobarics.
Most powders when aerosolized cause thermobaric explosions (it is believed that aerosolized flour in a bakery caused the great fire of london) because the distribution of oxygen and the reactant is optimised causing a very rapid rate of reaction thus a sudden shift in pressure due to the heat kicked out, when you mix into this the stupidly exothermic nature of a thermite reaction you get a potent explosive.
ANYWAY... I read in the Herald a week or two ago about a new zombie book that came out, an adventure book...
It started by saying that while the majority of female population is infatuated with vampires and werewolves, and the romance and all that crap, (generally) guys have been interested in a good zombie movie/game/book, for one reason, it pits you in a scenario where there is nothing else, no other priority, nothing more important, than survival. A game where you have no clue what could happen, and what will happen.
Well, the book has a bunch of pre-set scenarios, I.E. Alex wakes up in the morning and finds a scratching noise at his door you can A: Open the door Flip to page 7 B: Look out the window Open to page 10 or C: look through the peephole in your door """""""
Seems like something that would occupy me, and with many different options, it's not just A,B, or C, but sometimes a plethora of options. I think I'm going to get it, and see whether or not I will recommend it...
Footsloggin wrote:ANYWAY... I read in the Herald a week or two ago about a new zombie book that came out, an adventure book...
It started by saying that while the majority of female population is infatuated with vampires and werewolves, and the romance and all that crap, (generally) guys have been interested in a good zombie movie/game/book, for one reason, it pits you in a scenario where there is nothing else, no other priority, nothing more important, than survival. A game where you have no clue what could happen, and what will happen.
Well, the book has a bunch of pre-set scenarios, I.E. Alex wakes up in the morning and finds a scratching noise at his door you can A: Open the door Flip to page 7 B: Look out the window Open to page 10 or C: look through the peephole in your door """""""
Seems like something that would occupy me, and with many different options, it's not just A,B, or C, but sometimes a plethora of options. I think I'm going to get it, and see whether or not I will recommend it...
Happy surviving!
Meh I am not a fan of flip to x page for y action books, mostly because they would work better as games.
Crom wrote:I've got a small collection of knives, from small to larger ones which I will take a few with me when the zombies rise. This is because blades don't need reloading. I also will take my guns. A blunt weapon would be ideal too for smashing up zombies, like a baseball bat, or a club.
corpsesarefun wrote:
Crom wrote:I've got a small collection of knives, from small to larger ones which I will take a few with me when the zombies rise. This is because blades don't need reloading. I also will take my guns. A blunt weapon would be ideal too for smashing up zombies, like a baseball bat, or a club.
Precisely
When the dead rise my knives, maul and thermite supplies are all I need
Tell you what, grab a sharp woodcutting ax and attempt to chop dense wood for about two hours straight non stop. The sheer exhaustion you will feel is the main reason why anyone attempting to go uber ninja on the undead will quickly end up as part of their ranks. After about 15min of direct contact (if that) you will have abandoned your knife which is most likely stuck in some still mobile corpse and are running for your life.
Not to mention you are putting yourself within contact range of impact splatter, which when it comes to contracting the infection from it, it isn't a matter of if but more a matter of when.
Hand to hand is always a last ditch effort against the walking dead. That is why I own several guns, and several thousand rounds of ammo.
corpsesarefun wrote:I am aware of the thermobaric properties of aerosolised thermite.
Fun isn't it? My friend who's a chemist (attained hsBS earlier this year) still doesn't understand why thermite explodes like it does when aerosolized, as according to him "it shouldn't matter" because thermite is self oxdizing. I never was able to explain to him why, just that I knew russians used it in their thermobarics.
Most powders when aerosolized cause thermobaric explosions (it is believed that aerosolized flour in a bakery caused the great fire of london) because the distribution of oxygen and the reactant is optimised causing a very rapid rate of reaction thus a sudden shift in pressure due to the heat kicked out, when you mix into this the stupidly exothermic nature of a thermite reaction you get a potent explosive.
yeah but that's the wierd part, thermite is self oxidating, it doesn't need atmospheric oxygen. It doesn't make sense, and yet it is.
corpsesarefun wrote:I am aware of the thermobaric properties of aerosolised thermite.
Fun isn't it? My friend who's a chemist (attained hsBS earlier this year) still doesn't understand why thermite explodes like it does when aerosolized, as according to him "it shouldn't matter" because thermite is self oxdizing. I never was able to explain to him why, just that I knew russians used it in their thermobarics.
Most powders when aerosolized cause thermobaric explosions (it is believed that aerosolized flour in a bakery caused the great fire of london) because the distribution of oxygen and the reactant is optimised causing a very rapid rate of reaction thus a sudden shift in pressure due to the heat kicked out, when you mix into this the stupidly exothermic nature of a thermite reaction you get a potent explosive.
yeah but that's the wierd part, thermite is self oxidating, it doesn't need atmospheric oxygen. It doesn't make sense, and yet it is.
Thermite doesn't have to be self oxidating as the heat comes from the oxidation of the aluminium as opposed to the reduction of the iron, having excess oxygen as opposed to fixed quantites of it greatly increases the speed at which the reaction occurs.
From wrote:I've got a small collection of knives, from small to larger ones which I will take a few with me when the zombies rise. This is because blades don't need reloading. I also will take my guns. A blunt weapon would be ideal too for smashing up zombies, like a baseball bat, or a club.
corpsesarefun wrote:
From wrote:I've got a small collection of knives, from small to larger ones which I will take a few with me when the zombies rise. This is because blades don't need reloading. I also will take my guns. A blunt weapon would be ideal too for smashing up zombies, like a baseball bat, or a club.
Precisely
When the dead rise my knives, maul and thermite supplies are all I need
Tell you what, grab a sharp woodcutting ax and attempt to chop dense wood for about two hours straight non stop. The sheer exhaustion you will feel is the main reason why anyone attempting to go uber ninja on the undead will quickly end up as part of their ranks. After about 15min of direct contact (if that) you will have abandoned your knife which is most likely stuck in some still mobile corpse and are running for your life.
Not to mention you are putting yourself within contact range of impact splatter, which when it comes to contracting the infection from it, it isn't a matter of if but more a matter of when.
Hand to hand is always a last ditch effort against the walking dead. That is why I own several guns, and several thousand rounds of ammo.
Agreed and agreed, getting "up close and personal" with a human combatant is one thing...but in any situation in which one bite,even a small one=Game Over,I'm going to take the "shoot'em all" position every time.
In the case of our friends across the pond,where firearms are not as readily acessable...crossbows/running/locating were it is your military and police keep their guns and ammo, seem like the best chances for survival.
corpsesarefun wrote:I do have a crossbow but I am a lousy shot, this is why I spend time studying explosives
So...you require more target AND bass practice?....
Explosives are a nice option,but clearly one can't run about very effectively loaded down with hundreds of pounds of pipe bombs...a few for " Oh Faith there's too many of them" situations,but for "run and gun"...what then?
In their defense, while having much less access for firearms, they do have something called castles. Castle plus two or three home made flame throwers = Good Times!
FM Ninja 048 wrote:not all of us are defenceless, If you traveled to the UK after Zday it would be full of farmers.
my dad has a shotgun and I have a bow, so we'll do better than a lot of the UK
@ corpesarefun, attach explosives to crossbow bolt = win
Filling bolts with thermite or silica crystals (stabiliser for nitroglycirin, really should not be posting this sort of stuff on the internet) tends to mess up their flight path :/ its much easier to modify an alkane based defroster spray can using a thermite breaching charge with an extra thermite load to be aerosolised by the escaping and burning pressured butane/ethane mix.
Frazzled wrote:In their defense, while having much less access for firearms, they do have something called castles. Castle plus two or three home made flame throwers = Good Times!
True..Castles would obviously make for excellent defensible positions,however...I question the assault value of a few flame throwers....sure it's fun,but...burnt zombie doesn't always =neutralized zombie.
Of course,from castle walls one could always drop various heavy objects (large rocks and such) onto the attacking zombies heads.
Footsloggin wrote:Or, go Dark Ages old school and drop boiling oil on them. Slows them down, and roasts them too!
Again...while that may be fun,it wouldn't necessarily "Kill" the zombies...burn them up yes,but unless the heat from the fire destroys the brain...your still faced with a bunch of deep fried attackers.
Footsloggin wrote:Or, go Dark Ages old school and drop boiling oil on them. Slows them down, and roasts them too!
Again...while that may be fun,it wouldn't necessarily "Kill" the zombies...burn them up yes,but unless the heat from the fire destroys the brain...your still faced with a bunch of deep fried attackers.
Cave the bastards heads in with a maul or just retreat to the already prepared hiding location.
Footslogging wrote:Or, go Dark Ages old school and drop boiling oil on them. Slows them down, and roasts them too!
Again...while that may be fun,it wouldn't necessarily "Kill" the zombies...burn them up yes,but unless the heat from the fire destroys the brain...your still faced with a bunch of deep fried attackers.
Cave the bastards heads in with a maul or just retreat to the already prepared hiding location.
I was thinking lots of improvised booby traps, tripwire nail bombs set at head level,improvised claymores....that sort of thing.
EDIT: How available is Black Powder or other "accelerants" in the UK?
Footsloggin wrote:Or, go Dark Ages old school and drop boiling oil on them. Slows them down, and roasts them too!
Again...while that may be fun,it wouldn't necessarily "Kill" the zombies...burn them up yes,but unless the heat from the fire destroys the brain...your still faced with a bunch of deep fried attackers.
Cave the bastards heads in with a maul or just retreat to the already prepared hiding location.
I was thinking lots of improvised booby traps, tripwire nail bombs set at head level,improvised claymores....that sort of thing.
What about Laser tripwires that trigger the floor to open, revealing a massive pool of magma?
Footsloggin wrote:Or, go Dark Ages old school and drop boiling oil on them. Slows them down, and roasts them too!
Again...while that may be fun,it wouldn't necessarily "Kill" the zombies...burn them up yes,but unless the heat from the fire destroys the brain...your still faced with a bunch of deep fried attackers.
Cave the bastards heads in with a maul or just retreat to the already prepared hiding location.
I was thinking lots of improvised booby traps, tripwire nail bombs set at head level,improvised claymores....that sort of thing.
What about Laser tripwires that trigger the floor to open, revealing a massive pool of magma?
If the zombies in question are attacking Dr. Evil that would be an outstanding plan.
Frazzled wrote:In their defense, while having much less access for firearms, they do have something called castles. Castle plus two or three home made flame throwers = Good Times!
YEAH!!
edinburgh castle is bestest castle, sits on a cliff which means you can rappel down(I know how to do this) and zombies can't climb it, plus the tattoo ground is an open killing feild once we relocate the 1 o'clock gun
burn the little wooden bit and replace it with a removable bridge, it's the only way in, exept scaling the cliff
and corpses, you're coming to edinburgh if S does HTF, if we get to the castle first then we'll be unstopable, I don't care how far south Swindon is, you need to make it up here, it all fits into my plan to make it to JP's with a tanker full of Whisky
FM Ninja 048 wrote:it would melt the end of the nails wouldn't it?
and corpses, you're coming to edinburgh if S does HTF, if we get to the castle first then we'll be unstoppable, I don't care how far south Swindon is, you need to make it up here, it all fits into my plan to make it to JP's with a tanker full of Whisky
I'm wondering if the intensity of the temperature would just turn them to slag...Hmmm,further research is required here.
corpsesarefun wrote:Black powder is pretty easy to make if you have access to a farm but nitroglycerin is far far easier to get hold of.
Thermite thermobarics are more powerful though.
For "Fragmentation propulsion" purposes,how many fps could a device made using Thermite propel a batch of nails?
You would likely destroy the fragments, thermite aerosol bombs made from deodorant can sized aerosols can take out cars...
Why do you want fragmentation weaponry fitzz? surely that would just give you studded zombies?
Frag booby traps set at head level could act as "giant shotguns" in halting zombie advances,if the fragmentation is traveling at enough fps to penetrate zombie skulls and destroy the brains one properly set trap could take down a few dozen zombies (hypothetically) in one go.
FM Ninja 048 wrote:So just make thermite grenades?(and chuck them from our impenatrable castle walls)
You could do, could use any of the other improvised anti-zombie explosives or weaponry I work on though
Also FITZZ gave me an idea... what if you put a thermite charge instead of some of the shot in a reinforced shotgun but increased the propellant charge?
corpsesarefun wrote:Very true, perhaps high speed molten slag to the brain is actually a good anti-zombie weapon
One would have to insure the projectiles are traveling fast enough to penetrate the skulls...but I definitely see frag weapons as a useful toll in zombie neutralization.
FM Ninja 048 wrote:So just make thermite grenades?(and chuck them from our impenatrable castle walls)
You could do, could use any of the other improvised anti-zombie explosives or weaponry I work on though
Also FITZZ gave me an idea... what if you put a thermite charge instead of some of the shot in a reinforced shotgun but increased the propellant charge?
To be fired from a shotgun?....Hmm,you risk critical failure in the weapons barrel due to the heat intensity I would think.
FM Ninja 048 wrote:So just make thermite grenades?(and chuck them from our impenatrable castle walls)
You could do, could use any of the other improvised anti-zombie explosives or weaponry I work on though
Also FITZZ gave me an idea... what if you put a thermite charge instead of some of the shot in a reinforced shotgun but increased the propellant charge?
To be fired from a shotgun?....Hmm,you risk critical failure in the weapons barrel due to the heat intensity I would think.
Yeah I did ponder that, thermite burns at 2500 to 2700 degree's c if memory serves me rightly but It would be possible to make a barrel that can resist that.
Dragons breath with a load of molten slag and little fire, more like a mini volcanic eruption...
IIRC Dragons breath shells did damage the weapon ...so...not sure how well the idea would work,your likely to discover exactly what a Plasma gunner rolling a 1 feels like.
There is a rather interesting titanium-aluminium composite that mimics the composition of mother of pearl that may be able to take that heat if made correctly, though designing the barrel for both heat transfer and structural strength will involve a trade off somewhere... Thermite grenades for now lads.
As a general rule putting a potentially thermobaric superheated explosive in your hands is probably a bad idea, but who knows what needs to be done in a pinch
I was thinking more along the lines of a cannon, with a FUSE, but hey, they're your hands, don't hunt me down when you can't shoot any more zombies or feed yourself
FM Ninja 048 wrote:I was thinking more along the lines of a cannon, with a FUSE, but hey, they're your hands, don't hunt me down when you can't shoot any more zombies or feed yourself
Hands are overrated Just stick axes into the stumps.
Yeah, but it's the thought of it, and the fact that the memory stick is about as long as the base of an iphone
plus it's got three layers of encryption, and they can't make me give them the passwords, so I shouldn't have to swallow it
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FM Ninja 048 wrote:lolI knew you would
That's a shame FITZZ, I keep mine as a PDF, easy to back up/encrypt and it's swallowable
(JK about that last one, I don't think I could actually do that)
Meh,even if I'd have had mine as a PDF it would have been useless,basically everything I owned was underwater for several days.
true, what was it like having to live in the aftermath, we saw it on the news but it was always " somebody's been rescued from knee depth water" or "look an aligator swiming up a suburb street"*
FM Ninja 048 wrote:it would melt the end of the nails wouldn't it?
and corpses, you're coming to edinburgh if S does HTF, if we get to the castle first then we'll be unstopable, I don't care how far south Swindon is, you need to make it up here, it all fits into my plan to make it to JP's with a tanker full of Whisky
Looks like this american is making his way to the UK when Z day comes.
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corpsesarefun wrote:
FITZZ wrote:
FM Ninja 048 wrote:Even just use piping, plenty of that everywhere, and have them rigged as bigger one shot weaponry
Perhaps fashionising limited use "cannons" of a sort would work a bit better....
Thermite blunderbuss style hand cannons?
they have a word for that.... EPIC
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FM Ninja 048 wrote:By any chance do you own a copy of the Anarchists Cookbook, Corpses, you seem like the sort of person who would...
I admit nothing
why is it illegal, it's just a book. Seems protected by free speech.
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FM Ninja 048 wrote:lolI knew you would
That's a shame FITZZ, I keep mine as a PDF, easy to back up/encrypt and it's swallowable
(JK about that last one, I don't think I could actually do that)
Meh,even if I'd have had mine as a PDF it would have been useless,basically everything I owned was underwater for several days.
the book itself is fairly useless, it doesn't even show how to make RDX, Just take [REDACTED] and nitrate it with [REDACTED], and when the particles settle treat with [REDACTED]. Mix with a plasticizer like [REDACTED] and voila, C4.
It's "funny" because at moments during the whole post Katrina fiasco I kept thinking to myself "this is what the outbreak of a zombie apocalypse would be like."
Of course...it's funny now, at the time...not so much.
The whole situation was a bit much to go into any great detail here...but feel free to PM me if you want the "long" version.
Suffice to say,we scavenged for food...at least to begin with,lots of folks were carrying guns and most people were less than happy with "authority figures."..
Not something I particularly enjoyed,but something I believe made me stronger...if that makes sense.
My friend has a potato cannon made from a WWII panzerschreck, we put a hole through both ends of a wooden canoo, and sank the entire thing... Needless to say that was one squad of paintballers who surrendered...
"Grab the potato Nuch!"
*Thump*
"Oh... They're sinking... Shoot them!!!"
Besides that, fire homemade explosives out of that maybe? Though the propellant may set the explosives off in the barrel...
I just imagine zombie france like a country full of mimes... Pale... Rotting... mimes.
EDIT:...
This film was about a zombie outbreak in France...it was a bit Meh,but apparently French Zombies behave no differently than their counterparts in the rest of the world..ok,perhaps they were a bit more rude..but hey...they're French.
FM Ninja 048 wrote:it would melt the end of the nails wouldn't it?
and corpses, you're coming to edinburgh if S does HTF, if we get to the castle first then we'll be unstopable, I don't care how far south Swindon is, you need to make it up here, it all fits into my plan to make it to JP's with a tanker full of Whisky
Looks like this american is making his way to the UK when Z day comes.
Why, I'll be trying to make my way to america
gendoikari87 wrote:
corpsesarefun wrote:
FM Ninja 048 wrote:By any chance do you own a copy of the Anarchists Cookbook, Corpses, you seem like the sort of person who would...
I admit nothing
why is it illegal, it's just a book. Seems protected by free speech.
It will be, but over here it would probably still be the sort of book that would get you put on a 'list'
Frazzled wrote:In their defense, while having much less access for firearms, they do have something called castles. Castle plus two or three home made flame throwers = Good Times!
True..Castles would obviously make for excellent defensible positions,however...I question the assault value of a few flame throwers....sure it's fun,but...burnt zombie doesn't always =neutralized zombie.
Of course,from castle walls one could always drop various heavy objects (large rocks and such) onto the attacking zombies heads.
Well I'm thinking throwers going woosh onto hapless villagers..er zombies yea zombies from the castle walls, all the while wearing late Mideval armor and taunting the zombies with a snooty French accent. Occasionally they would have to fire giant wooden bunnies over the wall too.
Ok. The French guys are our Zombie survivors, King Arthur is the zombies. yes you knew I would have to go here.
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Frazzled wrote:In their defense, while having much less access for firearms, they do have something called castles. Castle plus two or three home made flame throwers = Good Times!
True..Castles would obviously make for excellent defensible positions,however...I question the assault value of a few flame throwers....sure it's fun,but...burnt zombie doesn't always =neutralized zombie.
Of course,from castle walls one could always drop various heavy objects (large rocks and such) onto the attacking zombies heads.
Well I'm thinking throwers going woosh onto hapless villagers..er zombies yea zombies from the castle walls, all the while wearing late Mideval armor and taunting the zombies with a snooty French accent. Occasionally they would have to fire giant wooden bunnies over the wall too.
Ok. The French guys are our Zombie survivors, King Arthur is the zombies. yes you knew I would have to go here.
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gendoikari87 wrote:Would the french zombies even be cannibals?
No France would be unscathed, as both the zombies and the living tried to surrender to each other. Germany would likely be spared too as the German zombies irresistably invaded France ..v..e..r..y..s..l..o..w..l..y... the remaining German zombies would be busy very efficiently designing zombie BMWs and zomnbie Mercedes to be too much aof a nuisance.
OMG Zombie Hitler and Zombie Nazis!!! A full on excuse to bash the Bosch! Its a dream come true. Have to watch out for Zombie Zhukov and ten billion zombie Russian tankers recreated Bagration. Watch as hilarity ensues. Of course this is all part of Leichtenstein's evil plan for world domination. Luckily Team Weinie is ready to launch Dachshundskrieg...wo I have to quit sniffing those paint fumes in the morning.
As the immortal bard once said: even Kaiser Wilhelm couldn't control his pet dachshund...
Because I live in the south, and we have a reputation for canabalism when we aren't zombies! JK JK JK No, honestly because I own guns, several of them, and lots of ammunition, and more is easily attainable, however booze, and castle walls will be in short supply quickly. after all :
Guns & ammo + Castle + booze = comfortably survivable zombie apocalypse. throw a few females in there and you get a fun time.
AHH, The only problem with edinburgh castle is it's right in the center of town, i'd need move quickly to make it past the zombies, plus it would probably be used by the army/british equivilant of the CDC as a base, luckly GW edinburgh is literly on the same street, so we won't get bored
FM Ninja 048 wrote:AHH, The only problem with edinburgh castle is it's right in the center of town, i'd need move quickly to make it past the zombies, plus it would probably be used by the army/british equivilant of the CDC as a base, luckly GW edinburgh is literly on the same street, so we won't get bored
here's a question, in the apocalypse does nurgle get a re-roll to favor of the gods in 40k? and magical bonuses in Fantasy?
Yep, its a pretty elaborate plan if I do say so myself. In short, I'm going to become a nomad and only stay in rural unpopulated areas and live on the land and small settlements with only a manegable amount of zombies.
Swiftblade wrote:Yep, its a pretty elaborate plan if I do say so myself. In short, I'm going to become a nomad and only stay in rural unpopulated areas and live on the land and small settlements with only a manageable amount of zombies.
See...this is another example of good planing,IMO the more one is prepared to abandon large population centers and the "idea" that " Help will be here soon.",the more likely one is to actually survive.
This is one of the positive aspects of a "Zombie Apocalypse",those incapable of shaking off "heard mentality" and "addiction to creature comforts" aren't going to survive in great numbers.
I completely agree with that. My only vice when it happens will be lack of potato chips after awhile. But the best part is, when theres about 10k zombies between me and the closest bag of Lays, Ill just have to do without. Good diet plan zombies
Other then that Ill be rocking. Even being stuck in my house for a spell Ive planned where we will actually "live" and what parts Ill fortify (yes thats ready at a moments notice, no Im not joking ) Even in my modest house, my family will be safe at least for awhile. Then its all about planning for the move to the "zombie bunker" down the road.
I'm going to say that a map will be the one of the most necessary things that a person can have, being capable of avoiding areas where one knows that zombies will be is a great advantage commonly overlooked, now, here's the question:
Alone or with a small/large group, while each has its own perks and advantages, I think I would stick with only one or two other people, just to be safe...
Frazzled wrote:In their defense, while having much less access for firearms, they do have something called castles. Castle plus two or three home made flame throwers = Good Times!
Fire is very dangerous. You cannot control fire. Fire could help you, yes, it could help you very much. However, fire could also severely back fire and destroy you, your shelter, your equipment and supplies, and so forth. Also, flame throwers are super high maintenance weapons, which is one reason why they are not used really anymore. A high powered automatic shotgun can clear a room as good as a flame thrower, and not have all the downsides a flame thrower has, like blowing up on your back and setting your own dudes on fire.
Footslogging wrote:I'm going to say that a map will be the one of the most necessary things that a person can have, being capable of avoiding areas where one knows that zombies will be is a great advantage commonly overlooked, now, here's the question:
Alone or with a small/large group, while each has its own perks and advantages, I think I would stick with only one or two other people, just to be safe...
Personally I'd opt for a small group of useful individuals,those with combat/firearm skills,hunting/survival/first aid/medical/improvised explosives and lap dances...people with these skills would be much sought after for my team.
The Slave-Maker ant is so named because it raids the nest of other ants and steals their pupae. Once the pupae hatch, they are made to work as slaves.
Barbie's full name is Barbara Millicent Roberts.
American Airlines saved $40,000 in 1987 by eliminating one olive from each salad in first class.
This is my plan.
WhiteSkyBanshee wrote:The Slave-Maker ant is so named because it raids the nest of other ants and steals their pupae. Once the pupae hatch, they are made to work as slaves.
Barbie's full name is Barbara Millicent Roberts.
American Airlines saved $40,000 in 1987 by eliminating one olive from each salad in first class.
This is my plan.
That's outstanding...playing Trivial Pursuit should make for a fun distraction as the world is consumed and by the looks of it you'll be ready when the game board comes out.
Hmm, I'd also like for a heartless/logical thinking individual who is capable of putting down another member should they become bitten, I would not like having their (infected) blood on my hands if one of my friends was bitten. Though as soon as they became a zombie, I'd probably kill them in a heartbeat anyway...
Footsloggin wrote:Hmm, I'd also like for a heartless/logical thinking individual who is capable of putting down another member should they become bitten, I would not like having their (infected) blood on my hands if one of my friends was bitten. Though as soon as they became a zombie, I'd probably kill them in a heartbeat anyway...
Yeah...that would be one of the most difficult aspects to face,having to turn your gun on a friend or family member if they were to be bitten...it's also one of the reasons I believe the plague would spread so quickly,most people (rightfully so) would of course be hesitant to but a round through a loved ones head.
I still don't under stand the lets split up and high thought.
Screw that. My American forbears didn't steal this country from its rightful owners by splitting up. They ganged up!
Gather your friends. Go to a motorcycle shop and leather up (or Hockey/Mideval reenactment etc.). Get some guns. Get some sticks with nails in 'em. Form a Phalanx and go to town!
Frazzled wrote:I still don't under stand the lets split up and high thought.
Screw that. My American forbears didn't steal this country from its rightful owners by splitting up. They ganged up!
Gather your friends. Go to a motorcycle shop and leather up (or Hockey/Medieval reenactment etc.). Get some guns. Get some sticks with nails in 'em. Form a Phalanx and go to town!
FOR SPAAAAAARTA!!!
Small "Hit and Run" groups were indeed an important part of wresting control of this country from the British...haven't you watched "The Patriot"??
Frazzled wrote:I still don't under stand the lets split up and high thought.
Screw that. My American forbears didn't steal this country from its rightful owners by splitting up. They ganged up!
Gather your friends. Go to a motorcycle shop and leather up (or Hockey/Medieval reenactment etc.). Get some guns. Get some sticks with nails in 'em. Form a Phalanx and go to town!
FOR SPAAAAAARTA!!!
Small "Hit and Run" groups were indeed an important part of wresting control of this country from the British...haven't you watched "The Patriot"??
I want hordes baby. I want 10 phalanxes of 1,000 each with Texas Ranger/Comanche type cavalry flankers. Let the Zombie Slaughter begin!
Frazzled wrote:I still don't under stand the lets split up and high thought.
Screw that. My American forbears didn't steal this country from its rightful owners by splitting up. They ganged up!
Gather your friends. Go to a motorcycle shop and leather up (or Hockey/Medieval reenactment etc.). Get some guns. Get some sticks with nails in 'em. Form a Phalanx and go to town!
FOR SPAAAAAARTA!!!
Small "Hit and Run" groups were indeed an important part of wresting control of this country from the British...haven't you watched "The Patriot"??
I want hordes baby. I want 10 phalanxes of 1,000 each with Texas Ranger/Comanche type cavalry flankers. Let the Zombie Slaughter begin!
I just got the strangest image of you dressed like Teddy Roosevelt,ridding through a ruined city with am army of wiener dogs behind you as you advance on a group of zombies and holler "CHARGE!!" at the top of your lungs...
Frazzled wrote:I still don't under stand the lets split up and high thought.
Screw that. My American forbears didn't steal this country from its rightful owners by splitting up. They ganged up!
Gather your friends. Go to a motorcycle shop and leather up (or Hockey/Medieval reenactment etc.). Get some guns. Get some sticks with nails in 'em. Form a Phalanx and go to town!
FOR SPAAAAAARTA!!!
Small "Hit and Run" groups were indeed an important part of wresting control of this country from the British...haven't you watched "The Patriot"??
I want hordes baby. I want 10 phalanxes of 1,000 each with Texas Ranger/Comanche type cavalry flankers. Let the Zombie Slaughter begin!
I just got the strangest image of you dressed like Teddy Roosevelt,ridding through a ruined city with am army of wiener dogs behind you as you advance on a group of zombies and holler "CHARGE!!" at the top of your lungs...
Frazzled wrote:I still don't under stand the lets split up and high thought.
Screw that. My American forbears didn't steal this country from its rightful owners by splitting up. They ganged up!
Gather your friends. Go to a motorcycle shop and leather up (or Hockey/Medieval reenactment etc.). Get some guns. Get some sticks with nails in 'em. Form a Phalanx and go to town!
FOR SPAAAAAARTA!!!
Small "Hit and Run" groups were indeed an important part of wresting control of this country from the British...haven't you watched "The Patriot"??
I want hordes baby. I want 10 phalanxes of 1,000 each with Texas Ranger/Comanche type cavalry flankers. Let the Zombie Slaughter begin!
I just got the strangest image of you dressed like Teddy Roosevelt,ridding through a ruined city with am army of wiener dogs behind you as you advance on a group of zombies and holler "CHARGE!!" at the top of your lungs...
Is it a dream, or is it... Prophecy?
Well now...you know us "Coonasses" have that "Voodoo" sight...so,I'm going to say Prophecy.
I for one look forward to the "Charge of the Frazz brigade"
You know it. I fact Team Weinie has been investigating the acquisition of tiny Snoopy Red Baron style goggles and leather caps for the motorcycle sidecar motorized weiner legions. of course, with their size, you can fit about ten per car.
Is it sad that i have one?
Judging by some peoples answers I think my answer might seam a little over thought... well at least ill be alive :p .
Anyone who has read my intro or profile will see I do target sports this includes Full-bore .308, Shotgun 12 bore and 10 bore and Small-bore .22 rifles shooting, my little brother and father also do this.
Luckily for me my house is a zombie fortress.
It is a large L shape bungalow and farm out in the sticks (About 7 miles from the nearest city where I work ), this in itself will mean I wont get many visitors alive or dead. Although its a bungalow it has an attic that runs along the top with only one entrance that's a pull down ladder, the roof of the hall leading to this attic is about 8 or nine feet up so out of reach of zombies.
We have three gun safes and two ammo safes and between them we have 3 full bore, 5 shotguns and 4 small bores... plus a few air rifles but those are out in the shed so if it happens really fast ill leave them (feel free to take them there's three of them the ammo for each is piled above them... one is left handed.)
We have an oil tank out in the second drive that fuels the Rayburn(Oil cooker and heating unit) We have “ups” which are like batteries that charge constantly off of mains power or if they have something plugged into them and we have a generator out in the our barn that runs on oil so we are all set for heating, power for essentials and defense as well as a safe place from the dead on the people who are alive and bound to go crazy. So now all that's left is food we have sheep and there are cows and pheasants and duck and deer around us so food is ample, we are not on mains water so water is all way's there.
So that's food, water, shelter now what about defense well we have fence posts and wire so barbed to keep out people that can feel pain and fences to stop loan wanderers getting to close and if there are loads we just hide in the attic.
Now that's everything but what about long term health well mother is luckily a seiner (Ohh she'd slap me if she heard that :p ) GP with lots of medical supplies at the house she can also perform minor surgery (Father once sliced his middle finger second knuckle down pretty much to the bone when he looked up to great us back from town while sharpening his scythe and mother stitched it up on the dining room table)
We only have two neighbors one on the left side are a middle aged couple who IMHO will not survive and the couple on the right are elderly and might not either which would be a shame but on the brighter side they do have a completely self sufficient garden (as far as providing them with vegetables goes so we might even have some fruit and vegetables)
So all in all I think that so long as we (The occupants of our house which consist of Mother, Father, Me, Brother and My GF) don't trust anyone, don't cause to much trouble we should survive for the foreseeable future.
Regards,
M
P.s Space limited please PM for details :p (I jest).
Laird Malice wrote:Is it sad that i have one?
Judging by some peoples answers I think my answer might seam a little over thought... well at least ill be alive :p .
Anyone who has read my intro or profile will see I do target sports this includes Full-bore .308, Shotgun 12 bore and 10 bore and Small-bore .22 rifles shooting, my little brother and father also do this.
Luckily for me my house is a zombie fortress.
It is a large L shape bungalow and farm out in the sticks (About 7 miles from the nearest city where I work ), this in itself will mean I wont get many visitors alive or dead. Although its a bungalow it has an attic that runs along the top with only one entrance that's a pull down ladder, the roof of the hall leading to this attic is about 8 or nine feet up so out of reach of zombies.
We have three gun safes and two ammo safes and between them we have 3 full bore, 5 shotguns and 4 small bores... plus a few air rifles but those are out in the shed so if it happens really fast ill leave them (feel free to take them there's three of them the ammo for each is piled above them... one is left handed.)
We have an oil tank out in the second drive that fuels the Rayburn(Oil cooker and heating unit) We have “ups” which are like batteries that charge constantly off of mains power or if they have something plugged into them and we have a generator out in the our barn that runs on oil so we are all set for heating, power for essentials and defense as well as a safe place from the dead on the people who are alive and bound to go crazy. So now all that's left is food we have sheep and there are cows and pheasants and duck and deer around us so food is ample, we are not on mains water so water is all way's there.
So that's food, water, shelter now what about defense well we have fence posts and wire so barbed to keep out people that can feel pain and fences to stop loan wanderers getting to close and if there are loads we just hide in the attic.
Now that's everything but what about long term health well mother is luckily a seiner (Ohh she'd slap me if she heard that :p ) GP with lots of medical supplies at the house she can also perform minor surgery (Father once sliced his middle finger second knuckle down pretty much to the bone when he looked up to great us back from town while sharpening his scythe and mother stitched it up on the dining room table)
We only have two neighbors one on the left side are a middle aged couple who IMHO will not survive and the couple on the right are elderly and might not either which would be a shame but on the brighter side they do have a completely self sufficient garden (as far as providing them with vegetables goes so we might even have some fruit and vegetables)
So all in all I think that so long as we (The occupants of our house which consist of Mother, Father, Me, Brother and My GF) don't trust anyone, don't cause to much trouble we should survive for the foreseeable future.
Regards,
M
P.s Space limited please PM for details :p (I jest).
Laird Malice wrote:One Necron Lord and ill keep a seat warm for you :p
Appreciate the offer my friend,but I've got a similar "Fort" waiting for me on this side of the pond...
I'll keep the Necron Lord in mind for "International" trade when the smoke clears and there is only the few of us left alive.
Blast so close, Thought id have someone to play warhammer with after Z-day as most of the people at the club i joined don't have a z-day plan...
Mind you not many people i talk to do ill keep an eye out for smoke signals from over "Le proverbial pond".
Footslogging wrote:I'm going to say that a map will be the one of the most necessary things that a person can have, being capable of avoiding areas where one knows that zombies will be is a great advantage commonly overlooked, now, here's the question:
Alone or with a small/large group, while each has its own perks and advantages, I think I would stick with only one or two other people, just to be safe...
Personally I'd opt for a small group of useful individuals,those with combat/firearm skills,hunting/survival/first aid/medical/improvised explosives and lap dances...people with these skills would be much sought after for my team.
Footslogging wrote:I'm going to say that a map will be the one of the most necessary things that a person can have, being capable of avoiding areas where one knows that zombies will be is a great advantage commonly overlooked, now, here's the question:
Alone or with a small/large group, while each has its own perks and advantages, I think I would stick with only one or two other people, just to be safe...
Personally I'd opt for a small group of useful individuals,those with combat/firearm skills,hunting/survival/first aid/medical/improvised explosives and lap dances...people with these skills would be much sought after for my team.
..I actually spat water laughing at this...yes Ninja,you already know your welcome...if you can make it to America...and believe me..you defiantly won't be required to perform the lap dances.
you can never be OT with zombies, everything is covered, from what video-games(if you have solar panels) you'll play to what sports you can play in a bunker(wrestling)
I play this game on the way to work every day. I keep an eye out for everything I see and then in my mind say what it is. So, like white car, corner house is 6541 address, gas station, doors. I find myself absorbing information a lot easier doing these exercises. I often find myself nowadays mapping a place out when I enter it and locating all exits. I then calculate survival rate by environment, exits, and so forth. I actually pretend sometimes the people in public are zombies, and I do very simple things to avoid detection or to draw attention to myself.
These little games are fun, and they teach you a lot of basic instincts.
FM Ninja 048 wrote:you can never be OT with zombies, everything is covered, from what video-games(if you have solar panels) you'll play to what sports you can play in a bunker(wrestling)
PAH! Youd think zombie talk could never get off topic, but it has happened everytime before this one. I too am surprised, hell its 15 pages, thats a record for ANY thread here in the OT
The furture fort of the Cracker (name still in process of being....named) has roof access, 1 foot thick concrete walls, and steel reinforced doors that only open from the inside. Im telling you, once I get the windows in front un windowed, no one can get in there barring some massive explosion or as FITZZ mentioned, good lapdancing skills. Hell even poor lapdancing skills, Im sure the strippers will be in short demand when 9/10 of the population is eating brains
any building I would design for protection against zombies would have a concave roof (water collection) and ladder only acess, brick and/or concrete walls and no ground floor windows or doors.
maby you could smear some brains on your junk and find a zombie stripper just a suggestion
No...zombie strippers=bad,both in the film (yes there actually is a film about zombie strippers) and in any other capacity.
@ KC...
My friend,your "fortress" would be excellent...
Now...if only I could get you past the "Brain Eating" zombies and introduce you to the "True Zombies" of filmdom.
Slarg232 wrote:HA! I knew learning to play the Acoustic Guitar would pay off better than Electric :thumbs up:
No Electricity in the Apocalypse, and music, something beautiful music, man, will help keep the moral up when the zeds start walking.
Well...if you can play the acoustic..you should be able to also play electric,chords are the same for both.
I for one plan to have generators,I will draw the zombies to me by standing on the roof of my fortress and playing "Wild Thing" as loud as I can...when they arrive,I put down the guitar and pick up the riffle.
Nah man, your plan is good, just use a black colored RPG and play Black Betty for them to show up
And I can't play yet, still working on it, but getting alot better alot faster than I thought I would. Also, do you know how to keep generators up and running?
Slarg232 wrote:Nah man, your plan is good, just use a black colored RPG and play Black Betty for them to show up :thumbs up:
And I can't play yet, still working on it, but getting alot better alot faster than I thought I would. Also, do you know how to keep generators up and running?
I work on cars for a living...a generator is a piece of cake,plus..I have my post Katrina generator experience.
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FM Ninja 048 wrote:"Wild thing"? would "Be quick or be dead" not be more appropriate
Yes,but Wild Thing is about as simple as you can get when it comes to playing...no need to BS around being technical.
Crom wrote:I play this game on the way to work every day. I keep an eye out for everything I see and then in my mind say what it is. So, like white car, corner house is 6541 address, gas station, doors. I find myself absorbing information a lot easier doing these exercises. I often find myself nowadays mapping a place out when I enter it and locating all exits. I then calculate survival rate by environment, exits, and so forth. I actually pretend sometimes the people in public are zombies, and I do very simple things to avoid detection or to draw attention to myself.
These little games are fun, and they teach you a lot of basic instincts.
I do the whole pretend the public are zombies thing.... but it is to hurry my other half up when cloths shopping....
Word from the wise gentelman... it works, i swear it cuts down 40% of shopping time.
Slarg232 wrote:Nah man, your plan is good, just use a black colored RPG and play Black Betty for them to show up :thumbs up:
And I can't play yet, still working on it, but getting alot better alot faster than I thought I would. Also, do you know how to keep generators up and running?
I work on cars for a living...a generator is a piece of cake,plus..I have my post Katrina generator experience.
Sweet, me and my women will start trading with you as soon as we find eachother
No...zombie strippers=bad,both in the film (yes there actually is a film about zombie strippers) and in any other capacity.
@ KC...
My friend,your "fortress" would be excellent...
Now...if only I could get you past the "Brain Eating" zombies and introduce you to the "True Zombies" of filmdom.
Wow I did write brains..... I honestly thought I wrote flesh eating. Now thats odd. I blame the fact that my brother took both my kids for the night, maybe the lack of "PUT THAT DOWN" and "DAMMIT GET OFF MY REFRIGERATOR" dulled my wits
No...zombie strippers=bad,both in the film (yes there actually is a film about zombie strippers) and in any other capacity.
@ KC...
My friend,your "fortress" would be excellent...
Now...if only I could get you past the "Brain Eating" zombies and introduce you to the "True Zombies" of filmdom.
2 films about zombie strippers iirc. 'Zombie strippers' and 'Zombies Zombies Zombies'....both crap.
Also, do you not class ANY brain eating zombies as 'true zombies'? Yeah, it is annoying when people think all zombies eat brains BUT I do think RotLD is a good and funny film and as quoted in the film "...not people, BRAINS!" It is sometimes a nice change from the 'Romero' zombie, i can even tolerate running zombies most of the time. (I do draw the line and zombies crawling across the celing! Yes, i'm looking at you Day of the Dead '08!)
No...zombie strippers=bad,both in the film (yes there actually is a film about zombie strippers) and in any other capacity.
@ KC...
My friend,your "fortress" would be excellent...
Now...if only I could get you past the "Brain Eating" zombies and introduce you to the "True Zombies" of filmdom.
2 films about zombie strippers iirc. 'Zombie strippers' and 'Zombies Zombies Zombies'....both crap.
Also, do you not class ANY brain eating zombies as 'true zombies'? Yeah, it is annoying when people think all zombies eat brains BUT I do think RotLD is a good and funny film and as quoted in the film "...not people, BRAINS!" It is sometimes a nice change from the 'Romero' zombie, i can even tolerate running zombies most of the time. (I do draw the line and zombies crawling across the calling! Yes, i'm looking at you Day of the Dead '08!)
...I thought RotLD was a funny movie,I own a copy and watch from time to time,and yes...I do consider the brain eating zombies to be "zombies".
My primary problem with them is that it seems (in some cases) they have "overshadowed" the far superior Zombies of Romero and Fulci...in that it seems many people equate zombies to the brain eaters of the RotLD films...if you follow me.
...And I wholeheartedly agree about the Day of the Dead remake....the creators of that film should be fed to Bub.
...I thought RotLD was a funny movie,I own a copy and watch from time to time,and yes...I do consider the brain eating zombies to be "zombies".
My primary problem with them is that it seems (in some cases) they have "overshadowed" the far superior Zombies of Romero and Fulci...in that it seems many people equate zombies to the brain eaters of the RotLD films...if you follow me.
...And I wholeheartedly agree about the Day of the Dead remake....the creators of that film should be fed to Bub.
Yeah, unfortunatly RotLD seems to cause a big divide in the 'true' zombie fanbase. Some love it some hate it, BUT regardless, you cant argue its pedigree as the creator John Russo helped Mr. Romero make NotLD.
I agree 'brain eaters' do overshadow the, imo, better zombies and that hasn't really been helped the last few years with zombie 'interest' becoming much more mainstream than it ever has :(
...I thought WorLD was a funny movie,I own a copy and watch from time to time,and yes...I do consider the brain eating zombies to be "zombies".
My primary problem with them is that it seems (in some cases) they have "overshadowed" the far superior Zombies of Romero and Fulci...in that it seems many people equate zombies to the brain eaters of the RotLD films...if you follow me.
...And I wholeheartedly agree about the Day of the Dead remake....the creators of that film should be fed to Bub.
Yeah, unfortunately RotLD seems to cause a big divide in the 'true' zombie fanbase. Some love it some hate it, BUT regardless, you cant argue its pedigree as the creator John Russo helped Mr. Romero make NotLD.
I agree 'brain eaters' do overshadow the, imo, better zombies and that hasn't really been helped the last few years with zombie 'interest' becoming much more mainstream than it ever has :(
True,but with "The Walking Dead" and " Dead Set" drawing in respectable sized audiences,perhaps the " Brain Eaters" will begin to be seen more in their proper "Comical" side of the genre.
True,but with "The Walking Dead" and " Dead Set" drawing in respectable sized audiences,perhaps the " Brain Eaters" will begin to be seen more in their proper "Comical" side of the genre.
Dead set was...ok, i guess, have actually been enjoying The Walking Dead but yeah, they do represent the 'Romero' zombie which is a good thing but, though it may make me sound a bit of a d**k, its kinda annoying they are getting/have got so mainstream. Like im assuming yourself are, I have been a 'hardcore' zombie fan for a long time now and, ok, its a good thing in a sense we're getting more 'material' butwe're also getting ALOT of crap plus everyone and thier mothers seem to think zombies are cool to like. Its the same with music really, you like a fairly obscure band and have for a long time, all of a sudden they are really big and everyone is a fan, although i guess it's selfish not to want everyone else to appreciate it, it kinda takes something away from it and why you love it.
True,but with "The Walking Dead" and " Dead Set" drawing in respectable sized audiences,perhaps the " Brain Eaters" will begin to be seen more in their proper "Comical" side of the genre.
Dead set was.org guess, have actually been enjoying The Walking Dead but yeah, they do represent the 'Romero' zombie which is a good thing but, though it may make me sound a bit of a d**k, its kinda annoying they are getting/have got so mainstream. Like im assuming yourself are, I have been a 'hardcore' zombie fan for a long time now and, of, its a good thing in a sense we're getting more 'material' butwe're also getting ALOT of crap plus everyone and their mothers seem to think zombies are cool to like. Its the same with music really, you like a fairly obscure band and have for a long time, all of a sudden they are really big and everyone is a fan, although i guess it's selfish not to want everyone else to appreciate it, it kinda takes something away from it and why you love it.
Yes,I've been a hardcore zombie fan since I was very young,saw the original Dawn of the Dead at a drive in during it's initial release and haven't looked back since.
I definitely understand were your coming from concerning the new found love the zombie genre is experiencing,it does mean that true fans will have to wade through a lot of garbage to find the good stuff,but...it also presents opportunities for even more "good stuff" to eventually make it's way out.
We can also be thankful that no matter how badly some people butcher the zombie genre,there are certain elements that simply won't come into play unless there done for laughs, a zombie will never be the romantic interest (as a general rule) unless the film is a comedy...or really twisted,so the genre will never suffer the same indignities that the Vampire genre arguably has.
Personally,I just plan to ride this current crest in popularity,enjoy the good...dismiss or ridicule the bad and know that sooner or later the general public will find another Monster de'jour
Hay fitzz, if my zombie free island does not take off can me and my mates come over to america im our boat. we have many bb guns and bow+arrows so we can help out at the fort.
also i can play an awesome jazz solo on clarinet to keep up the troops spirits.
It would be hold up at my work for me. The whole area has a 10foot fence around the edge and every door is 1inch thick steel and bars on alll the windows. It also has a large wearhouse on the rear for storeing cars etc out of site so no one comes to steel them.
haloreach4ever wrote:Hay fitzz, if my zombie free island does not take off can me and my mates come over to america im our boat. we have many bb guns and bow+arrows so we can help out at the fort.
also i can play an awesome jazz solo on clarinet to keep up the troops spirits.
You play jazz clarinet?..well then hell yes your welcome,I'll introduce you to the works of Pete Fountain.
Also..no need to worry about your lack of firepower...this is America...guns grow on trees here.
ghosty wrote:'S the exact reason why I'm relocating to Fitzz when I get the first sniff of unusual activities in the flesh eating department.
And you are more than welcome my friend...you know...if you play drums..along with haloreach4evers clarinet playing,we have the start of a nice little jazz band..
ghosty wrote:'S the exact reason why I'm relocating to Fitzz when I get the first sniff of unusual activities in the flesh eating department.
And you are more than welcome my friend...you know...if you play drums..along with haloreach4evers clarinet playing,we have the start of a nice little jazz band..
I play a mean trumpet.
You guys can all come over and hang out on my island.
For me and my (5) friend's zombie plan, we would grab all of the guns we own. A LOT between all of us, probably something like 40. (I live in the south). We would then gather up some other people we trust, and go steal three school busses. We would load one up with all of the supplies we could gather, one up with all of the fuel we could find, and one with all of our stuff. We would use the hatch things at the top as gun turrets of some sort. Most of us would be in the main bus, with the driver and one or two guards on the the other busses. We've got more thought out, but that's all I feel like typing.
GalacticDefender wrote:For me and my (5) friend's zombie plan, we would grab all of the guns we own. A LOT between all of us, probably something like 40. (I live in the south). We would then gather up some other people we trust, and go steal three school busses. We would load one up with all of the supplies we could gather, one up with all of the fuel we could find, and one with all of our stuff. We would use the hatch things at the top as gun turrets of some sort. Most of us would be in the main bus, with the driver and one or two guards on the the other busses. We've got more thought out, but that's all I feel like typing.
greenskin lynn wrote:my zombie/mad max/who knows whats out to get us plan
get some friends together and conquer a super-walmart
we'd have the supplies to last a long time behind our shopping cart and pos cars barriers
Thats alot of doors/windows to cover, though.
Not saying you wouldn't have enough supplies to board them up, but would you have the time to?
And I've decided, I'm just going to shoot things come the Zombie Apocolypse, none of this holding out crap. Too many spoiled rotten bitches around here.
greenskin lynn wrote:my zombie/mad max/who knows whats out to get us plan
get some friends together and conquer a super-walmart
we'd have the supplies to last a long time behind our shopping cart and pos cars barriers
The biggest drawback to your plan is that in all probability a great many others will have the same idea,so in a worst case scenario you and your friends are now caught in the middle of a panicked mob with the high potential for becoming extreamly dangerous ,so you and your friends would have to "conquer" a large group of people who would quite likely be on the verge of rioting.
Even if you somehow did get everyone to cooperate and barricade the store,you have to consider that a large group of people will rapidly deplete your resources,but even more concerning,your most likely going to have a lot of "dead weight",people who will for all intents and purposes be completely useless for anything other than perhaps being eventually eaten and allowing you a chance to escape,not to mention in such a large group your going to have to be extreamly watch full for problematic people,crazies,mutineers and the possibly infected...
Basicly,at least during the initial outbreak,anyplace with lots of people is the last place anyone should be.
Slarg232 wrote:
And I've decided, I'm just going to shoot things come the Zombie Apocolypse, none of this holding out crap. Too many spoiled rotten bitches around here.
There you go. Come Zombie Games time, give us a week or two to clear 'em out, and then the radio will start broadcasting the awesomeness of the New Republic of Texas*
*Then of course a hurricane will come along and kill us all.
I really love how people talk about all the guns they are going to take. I own 4 guns. 2 rifles 2 hand guns and will probably buy a few more down the road but never see myself owning more than say 8 or 9. Even so, if I had 9, I would only take probably one or two guns with me max. Guns are heavy, ammo is heavy, and I am not going to haul around a little red rider wagon to carry all my ammo in. Vehicles powered by petroleum are worthless in an all out infrastructure failure. Your resources are limited and probably gone by the time it hits.
Spend too much time gather people, supplies, and things like trucks, buses, and so forth you are going to get stuck or you are going to die. If not by the undead, by the living. You try stealing a giant truck and there are 50 other people who have the same idea and they all have guns, I bet it won't end well for everyone involved.
My plan is to get out as soon as possible and once things die down maybe go look for survivors, but that could take months or years. The living that also survive are way more dangerous. You going to set up patrols to keep your truck loads of supplies safe? What about people ambushing you and killing you a night and taking your goods. You aren't really being discrete when you have a caravan of people and vehicles going down roads.
My plan is grab a weapon, some ammo, some basic supplies and all the water I can carry and then hop on my bicycle and follow the train tracks south. Warmer climate, train tracks usually don't hit central hubs in town (some exceptions) and they are usually off near the outskirts you can avoid major traffic and avoid being noticed.
You will have to part with your dozens of guns, your favorite material possessions, and only really keep the essentials. Unless you live in a fortified compound and can just hold up. Then again, you still have other humans who are very desperate lurking around as well.
Crom wrote:I really love how people talk about all the guns they are going to take. I own 4 guns. 2 rifles 2 hand guns and will probably buy a few more down the road but never see myself owning more than say 8 or 9. Even so, if I had 9, I would only take probably one or two guns with me max. Guns are heavy, ammo is heavy, and I am not going to haul around a little red rider wagon to carry all my ammo in. Vehicles powered by petroleum are worthless in an all out infrastructure failure. Your resources are limited and probably gone by the time it hits.
Spend too much time gather people, supplies, and things like trucks, buses, and so forth you are going to get stuck or you are going to die. If not by the undead, by the living. You try stealing a giant truck and there are 50 other people who have the same idea and they all have guns, I bet it won't end well for everyone involved.
My plan is to get out as soon as possible and once things die down maybe go look for survivors, but that could take months or years. The living that also survive are way more dangerous. You going to set up patrols to keep your truck loads of supplies safe? What about people ambushing you and killing you a night and taking your goods. You aren't really being discrete when you have a caravan of people and vehicles going down roads.
My plan is grab a weapon, some ammo, some basic supplies and all the water I can carry and then hop on my bicycle and follow the train tracks south. Warmer climate, train tracks usually don't hit central hubs in town (some exceptions) and they are usually off near the outskirts you can avoid major traffic and avoid being noticed.
You will have to part with your dozens of guns, your favorite material possessions, and only really keep the essentials. Unless you live in a fortified compound and can just hold up. Then again, you still have other humans who are very desperate lurking around as well.
Sure youll down 1 or 3, but uh....what about the 20 or 30 that are closing in on you? Wait didnt we go over the reason why the axe is a bad idea like 4 pages ago
Crom wrote:
You will have to part with your dozens of guns, your favorite material possessions, and only really keep the essentials. Unless you live in a fortified compound and can just hold up. Then again, you still have other humans who are very desperate lurking around as well.
I will not have to part with my small arsenal of shooty goodness, for they are my favorite material possessions, and I plan to keep them for they are essential to my survival.
I also hate to use the word compound, cause it makes people think of backwater nut jobs waiting to over throw the gubberment... but one can compare the place where me and my friends plan to bug out to one.
As for other people, I won't worry about them in the least. Cause ill be the guy sitting on the roof across from wall mart with a Rem 700 waiting for you to finish loading that uhaul full of supplies for me before I take it from you.
Sure youll down 1 or 3, but uh....what about the 20 or 30 that are closing in on you? Wait didnt we go over the reason why the axe is a bad idea like 4 pages ago
I don't care goddamn it
Dying fighting is better than being a pansy and picking the blighters off from shelter.
Nope. Id much rather survive and enjoy killing without having to go to prison. Will it be as easy a life as it is now? Of course not. But itll be a damn sight better in many other ways
KingCracker wrote:Nope. Id much rather survive and enjoy killing without having to go to prison. Will it be as easy a life as it is now? Of course not. But itll be a damn sight better in many other ways
KingCracker wrote:Nope. Id much rather survive and enjoy killing without having to go to prison. Will it be as easy a life as it is now? Of course not. But itll be a damn sight better in many other ways
I can't hit a target at 30 foot anyway close combat and explosives are my only options
KingCracker wrote:Nope. Id much rather survive and enjoy killing without having to go to prison. Will it be as easy a life as it is now? Of course not. But itll be a damn sight better in many other ways
I can't hit a target at 30 foot anyway close combat and explosives are my only options
KingCracker wrote:Nope. Id much rather survive and enjoy killing without having to go to prison. Will it be as easy a life as it is now? Of course not. But itll be a damn sight better in many other ways
I can't hit a target at 30 foot anyway close combat and explosives are my only options
Are you using a gun with to much recoil?
Nah I just can't shoot for gak.
Used Rifles, hunting shotguns, hunting crossbow, air rifles and air pistols - Can't hit anything with any of them
Good god man! Close combat and explosives is your only defense? So your gunna chop, until they over whelm you, then blow up a gak load of zombies, only to have every flesh eater from miles away come to you. Id die in a flurry of chops too
Chowder - maybe hes blind?
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KingCracker wrote:Good god man! Close combat and explosives is your only defense? So your gunna chop, until they over whelm you, then blow up a gak load of zombies, only to have every flesh eater from miles away come to you. Id die in a flurry of chops too
Chowder - maybe hes blind?
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KingCracker wrote:Good god man! Close combat and explosives is your only defense? So your gunna chop, until they over whelm you, then blow up a gak load of zombies, only to have every flesh eater from miles away come to you. Id die in a flurry of chops too
Chowder - maybe hes blind?
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Hooray dyspraxia
Ah well, I can make a mean improvised explosive.
I really need to start reading the cookbook more often.
Do you have it, corpses? Or is it banned in Britian?
I definitely agree with Crom concerning Firearms and travel,trying to lug a dozen guns + ammo along with food/water + other supplies while on the road will be a really bad idea.
1 or 2 pistols + a riffle and assorted ammo/magazines per person on the road is all you should carry,along with a good machete.
Now...if your holding up in a fortified compound..go nuts with guns/ammo....see ya there Jp.
FITZZ wrote: I definitely agree with Crom concerning Firearms and travel,trying to lug a dozen guns + ammo along with food/water + other supplies while on the road will be a really bad idea.
1 or 2 pistols + a riffle and assorted ammo/magazines per person on the road is all you should carry,along with a good machete.
Now...if your holding up in a fortified compound..go nuts with guns/ammo....see ya there Jp.
Indeed. Just found another long term shelf stable food source that comes in a variety of flavors. (25+ Year shelf life in controlled storage)
Also a quick update to all who follow my shooting antics:
Just properly zeroed this bad boy (.223) yesterday and was able to shoot a dime at 100Yrds using this ammo:
Can't wait to run it through its paces on the up to 1000yrd range and see what it really can do.
If the entire plan get totally destroyed im just going to walk into the middle of town with c4 strapped to my chest and see how long i can hold out until its time to go out with a BANG!
FITZZ wrote: I definitely agree with Crom concerning Firearms and travel,trying to lug a dozen guns + ammo along with food/water + other supplies while on the road will be a really bad idea. 1 or 2 pistols + a riffle and assorted ammo/magazines per person on the road is all you should carry,along with a good machete. Now...if your holding up in a fortified compound..go nuts with guns/ammo....see ya there Jp.
Indeed. Just found another long term shelf stable food source that comes in a variety of flavors. (25+ Year shelf life in controlled storage)
variety of flavours, pah, tactical bacon is where it's at (it's real)
FITZZ wrote: I definitely agree with Chrome concerning Firearms and travel,trying to lug a dozen guns + ammo along with food/water + other supplies while on the road will be a really bad idea.
1 or 2 pistols + a riffle and assorted ammo/magazines per person on the road is all you should carry,along with a good machete.
Now...if your holding up in a fortified compound..go nuts with guns/ammo....see ya there Jp.
Indeed. Just found another long term shelf stable food source that comes in a variety of flavors. (25+ Year shelf life in controlled storage)
variety of flavours, pah, tactical bacon is where it's at
(it's real)
One of my favorites...also available in Beef and Chicken.
Crom wrote:
You will have to part with your dozens of guns, your favorite material possessions, and only really keep the essentials. Unless you live in a fortified compound and can just hold up. Then again, you still have other humans who are very desperate lurking around as well.
I will not have to part with my small arsenal of shooty goodness, for they are my favorite material possessions, and I plan to keep them for they are essential to my survival.
I also hate to use the word compound, cause it makes people think of backwater nut jobs waiting to over throw the gubberment... but one can compare the place where me and my friends plan to bug out to one.
As for other people, I won't worry about them in the least. Cause ill be the guy sitting on the roof across from wall mart with a Rem 700 waiting for you to finish loading that uhaul full of supplies for me before I take it from you.
FITZZ wrote: Here's a few "travel kit" essentials..
...I think that covers the essentials.
The only thing Id change in that list, is I prefer the umph of a shotgun to the rifle. Not to mention if you get the typical "OH gak A ZOMBIE FROM NO WHERE" you can panic and still drop/headshot it easy enough. shotguns are forgivable. But thats a preference thing. I laughed at the hotbody girl on her knees. That just seems a bit weird, not to mention hotbody girls boobs are crazy huge. Those might be a distraction
CrashUSAR wrote:I've noticed no one has really discussed body armor. Interesting.
Perhaps I won't have to stock up on as many steel core rounds now.
Body armor is heavy and cumbersome and most brass/lead rounds go right through it anyway. Steel ammo is also more subjective to corrosion and is harder on your barrel. I bought 1,000 steel core mil surp rounds for my Mosin in 7.62x54R. I don't think any body armor would hold a stick to such a round. I also don't think most body armors can stand up against a 7.62x39 or even a 5.56 lead round and body armor doesn't cover all parts of your body either. Getting shot anywhere in post apocalypse means you will most likely die from infection or bleeding out. If any major artery is touched, then you are doomed. It is not like medical treatment will be up and running, and unless your with someone who can perform surgery you are done for.
Now, body armor versus the zombies, that may actually have a benefit if you have to melee your way through the hordes. Though hand to hand should always be a last ditch effort.
haloreach4ever wrote:If the entire plan get totally destroyed im just going to walk into the middle of town with c4 strapped to my chest and see how long i can hold out until its time to go out with a BANG!
Where are you going to get the C4 from? I'm a breach man in the army and I have a hard time getting my hands on the stuff.
FM Ninja 048 wrote:
jp400 wrote:
FITZZ wrote: I definitely agree with Crom concerning Firearms and travel,trying to lug a dozen guns + ammo along with food/water + other supplies while on the road will be a really bad idea.
1 or 2 pistols + a riffle and assorted ammo/magazines per person on the road is all you should carry,along with a good machete.
Now...if your holding up in a fortified compound..go nuts with guns/ammo....see ya there Jp.
Indeed. Just found another long term shelf stable food source that comes in a variety of flavors. (25+ Year shelf life in controlled storage)
variety of flavours, pah, tactical bacon is where it's at
(it's real)
Yup. Actually got a can given to me for Christmas last year as a gag gift. Joke was on them cause I fried it up and ate it that morning. Doesn't taste half bad, but I have had better.
FITZZ wrote:
FM Ninja 048 wrote:
jp400 wrote:
FITZZ wrote: I definitely agree with Chrome concerning Firearms and travel,trying to lug a dozen guns + ammo along with food/water + other supplies while on the road will be a really bad idea.
1 or 2 pistols + a riffle and assorted ammo/magazines per person on the road is all you should carry,along with a good machete.
Now...if your holding up in a fortified compound..go nuts with guns/ammo....see ya there Jp.
Indeed. Just found another long term shelf stable food source that comes in a variety of flavors. (25+ Year shelf life in controlled storage)
variety of flavours, pah, tactical bacon is where it's at
(it's real)
One of my favorites...also available in Beef and Chicken.
..And if you want real variety..
...Seriously..they are damn tasty.
...... maybe it's just me, and the fact that I have had to choke down thousands of Meals Rejected by starving Ethiopians, but I would much rather eat almost anything else to them. Still though, I have several cases in my man cave.
Frazzled wrote:
jp400 wrote:
Crom wrote:
You will have to part with your dozens of guns, your favorite material possessions, and only really keep the essentials. Unless you live in a fortified compound and can just hold up. Then again, you still have other humans who are very desperate lurking around as well.
I will not have to part with my small arsenal of shooty goodness, for they are my favorite material possessions, and I plan to keep them for they are essential to my survival.
I also hate to use the word compound, cause it makes people think of backwater nut jobs waiting to over throw the gubberment... but one can compare the place where me and my friends plan to bug out to one.
As for other people, I won't worry about them in the least. Cause ill be the guy sitting on the roof across from wall mart with a Rem 700 waiting for you to finish loading that uhaul full of supplies for me before I take it from you.
Now thats executive planning.
Indeed it is.
kharn-the-betrayer wrote:I have plenty of guns and ammo, I'll be okay.
Yup. Who needs other little things like food, water, shelter, a plan ect ect.
Crom wrote:
CrashUSAR wrote:I've noticed no one has really discussed body armor. Interesting.
Perhaps I won't have to stock up on as many steel core rounds now.
Body armor is heavy and cumbersome and most brass/lead rounds go right through it anyway. Steel ammo is also more subjective to corrosion and is harder on your barrel. I bought 1,000 steel core mil surp rounds for my Mosin in 7.62x54R. I don't think any body armor would hold a stick to such a round. I also don't think most body armors can stand up against a 7.62x39 or even a 5.56 lead round and body armor doesn't cover all parts of your body either. Getting shot anywhere in post apocalypse means you will most likely die from infection or bleeding out. If any major artery is touched, then you are doomed. It is not like medical treatment will be up and running, and unless your with someone who can perform surgery you are done for.
Now, body armor versus the zombies, that may actually have a benefit if you have to melee your way through the hordes. Though hand to hand should always be a last ditch effort.
You really, REALLY need to read up on the different class's of protection available right now. Flex vests without sapi protection are light weight, easy to use, low profile, and offer ok protection against pistol threats. They are what most Patrol officers wear while on duty.
They won't stop a rifle round though or certain pistol calibers in +P.
Rifle Ballistic Plates (LvL3-4) will most certainly stop 5.56 and 7.62x39. Esapi will stop AP versions of those rounds, while lvl 4 can stop 30-06AP multiple hits at point blank range.
Also, they don't make bullets out of brass. Most common are a lead core with a copper jacket over it. While your "AP" rounds tend to be a core of steel with a copper jacket over it.
Also, body armor will cover as much of your body as you are willing/able to lug around.
Myself, I wear a Multi hit, stand alone, LvL 4 10x12 front/back + 2 side plates, a neck/throat protection, ACH with an aftermarket ballistic face shield (rated frag/9mm), and a femoral artery protector.
When on turret duty and I know I won't be running around, I also wear deltoid protection, and aftermarket ballistic arm protection(Frag/9mm) to help protect my more exposed upper body.
I would find some sort of explosive, if i had to i would just strap several fire lighters and some beer to my chest. If it can make a bang then it will do.
OK well I stand corrected then. I was under the impression body armor did not really stop high powered rifle rounds. Does the US military finally issue out full body armor to soldiers? I remember reading back while ago troops were buying their own body armor?
I would think a combination of leather gear (Jacket/pants/boots designed for riding) along with some form of tactical body armour would be the best combination.
Providing a degree of anti-bite/anti-bullet protection,but still allowing the wearer the ability to move quickly if need be.
Crom wrote:OK well I stand corrected then. I was under the impression body armor did not really stop high powered rifle rounds. Does the US military finally issue out full body armor to soldiers? I remember reading back while ago troops were buying their own body armor?
Uncle Sam has ALWAYS issued full body armor to us grunts. The reason why troops were buying their own was two fold.
A: Some plates were found to be manufactured wrong and thus useless (They were recalled, including the plates I wore for 12 months in Iraq on my 1st tour) soldiers lost faith in their gear and bought their own.
B: There is always something better out there on the market. In the case above that you were reading, people were buying dragon skin and voiding their SGLI ($400,000) for using non issue equipment and peoples next of kin were pretty Po'd over not getting payouts. Thus to save the headache DOD banned the use of all non issue vests.
The Point Blank Interceptor vest is what I have used (in the army) since 2002.
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FITZZ wrote: I would think a combination of leather gear (Jacket/pants/boots designed for riding) along with some form of tactical body armour would be the best combination.
Providing a degree of anti-bite/anti-bullet protection,but still allowing the wearer the ability to move quickly if need be.
Light riot/extraction gear would be the best. Everything is made to be bite/stab proof. Though offers NO ballistic protection.
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haloreach4ever wrote:I would find some sort of explosive, if i had to i would just strap several fire lighters and some beer to my chest. If it can make a bang then it will do.
Enjoy your 3rd degree burns as the undead eat you alive.
Hmm..could the Light riot/extraction gear be combined with Body armour that would offer ballistic protection yet not hinder mobility to the point of making it a drawback?
haloreach4ever wrote:I would find some sort of explosive, if i had to i would just strap several fire lighters and some beer to my chest. If it can make a bang then it will do.
jp400 wrote:I don't see why not. I don't think it is standard, but could be added by hand through slight modification by the user.
That would be the idea...something to provide protection from bites/ballistics...but having the wearer reasonably unhindered when it comes to movement...perfect zombie apocalypse ensemble...
The exact sort of gear I'd be looking for to stop both the biting zombies and those pesky scavengers trying to steal the delicious (and IMO they are indeed delicious) MREs.
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corpsesarefun wrote:
haloreach4ever wrote:I would find some sort of explosive, if i had to i would just strap several fire lighters and some beer to my chest. If it can make a bang then it will do.
This would do absolutely feth all.
I don't know...it would be pretty entertaining to watch.
I'll take a Shark Suit. It's chainmail that can withstand repeated bites from a Great White.
The best in Zombie Protection!
Unfortunately chainmail tears with relative ease, you need to watch more zombie films and see how people die
Trying tearing some. I'll go with chowderhead, if its good enough to stop Biffy the wonder fish, its good enough for zombies. We forget zombies are just the average run of the mill human with a rather nasty eating disorder. No big thing.
remember its not the zombies you really have to worry about. Its the CTNFs* which will be a real problem.
*Carniverous Texans Named Frazzled.
Meat. Its whats for breakfast.
I'll take a Shark Suit. It's chainmail that can withstand repeated bites from a Great White.
The best in Zombie Protection!
Unfortunately chainmail tears with relative ease, you need to watch more zombie films and see how people die
Trying tearing some. I'll go with chowderhead, if its good enough to stop Biffy the wonder fish, its good enough for zombies. We forget zombies are just the average run of the mill human with a rather nasty eating disorder. No big thing.
remember its not the zombies you really have to worry about. Its the CTNFs* which will be a real problem.
*Carniverous Texans Named Frazzled.
Meat. Its whats for breakfast.
The problem with chainmail is the point where each individual ring is joined, if this goes the link is torn putting more pressure on the rest.
Another thing you have to remember about zombies is that they do not fatigue like us and there are LOTS of them, I'm sure 10 people pulling it apart could tear chainmail.
I'll take a Shark Suit. It's chainmail that can withstand repeated bites from a Great White.
The best in Zombie Protection!
Unfortunately chainmail tears with relative ease, you need to watch more zombie films and see how people die
Trying tearing some. I'll go with chowderhead, if its good enough to stop Biffy the wonder fish, its good enough for zombies. We forget zombies are just the average run of the mill human with a rather nasty eating disorder. No big thing.
remember its not the zombies you really have to worry about. Its the CTNFs* which will be a real problem.
*Carniverous Texans Named Frazzled.
Meat. Its whats for breakfast.
The problem with chainmail is the point where each individual ring is joined, if this goes the link is torn putting more pressure on the rest.
Another thing you have to remember about zombies is that they do not fatigue like us and there are LOTS of them, I'm sure 10 people pulling it apart could tear chainmail.
If they were all pulling in one direction maybe on a few links, but thats practically impossible. Dude, its chainmail. Besides, you have to like put out a little effort and start smiting zombies. you can't just lay there and eat bon bons. But again, thats why you have the guns.
Crom wrote:OK well I stand corrected then. I was under the impression body armor did not really stop high powered rifle rounds. Does the US military finally issue out full body armor to soldiers? I remember reading back while ago troops were buying their own body armor?
Uncle Sam has ALWAYS issued full body armor to us grunts. The reason why troops were buying their own was two fold.
A: Some plates were found to be manufactured wrong and thus useless (They were recalled, including the plates I wore for 12 months in Iraq on my 1st tour) soldiers lost faith in their gear and bought their own.
B: There is always something better out there on the market. In the case above that you were reading, people were buying dragon skin and voiding their SGLI ($400,000) for using non issue equipment and peoples next of kin were pretty Po'd over not getting payouts. Thus to save the headache DOD banned the use of all non issue vests.
The Point Blank Interceptor vest is what I have used (in the army) since 2002.
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FITZZ wrote: I would think a combination of leather gear (Jacket/pants/boots designed for riding) along with some form of tactical body armour would be the best combination.
Providing a degree of anti-bite/anti-bullet protection,but still allowing the wearer the ability to move quickly if need be.
Light riot/extraction gear would be the best. Everything is made to be bite/stab proof. Though offers NO ballistic protection.
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haloreach4ever wrote:I would find some sort of explosive, if i had to i would just strap several fire lighters and some beer to my chest. If it can make a bang then it will do.
Enjoy your 3rd degree burns as the undead eat you alive.
When I watched the future weapons clip of the dragon skin, the armor they had up before it was suppose to be the standard issue? The bald guy on the show punched right through it with a standard 5.56 round (I do think it was steel core). I guess that could have just been advertising?
Speaking of Guns for the zombies, I NEED to get a hold of the AA12 from blackwater.....good god man
I have watched LOADS of zombie movies. I have watched zombieland about a hundred thousand times. Follow the rules is my plan. And if I don't have to go out and about stay in my house, barricade it up, Put sniper rifles on the windows, and have loads of ammo food drink. In the thousands of hours of zombies i've watched I have never seen a zombie go into a house.
Crom wrote:OK well I stand corrected then. I was under the impression body armor did not really stop high powered rifle rounds. Does the US military finally issue out full body armor to soldiers? I remember reading back while ago troops were buying their own body armor?
Uncle Sam has ALWAYS issued full body armor to us grunts.
Well isn't that kind of an issue though, as the average civilian doesn't have access to that? If you're saying high end body armor thats great but then I say screw I want a Merkava tank. If you have access good for you. I'm jealous and I mean that.
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TNM wrote:I have watched LOADS of zombie movies. I have watched zombieland about a hundred thousand times. Follow the rules is my plan. And if I don't have to go out and about stay in my house, barricade it up, Put sniper rifles on the windows, and have loads of ammo food drink. In the thousands of hours of zombies i've watched I have never seen a zombie go into a house.
TNM wrote:I have watched LOADS of zombie movies. I have watched zombieland about a hundred thousand times. Follow the rules is my plan. And if I don't have to go out and about stay in my house, barricade it up, Put sniper rifles on the windows, and have loads of ammo food drink. In the thousands of hours of zombies i've watched I have never seen a zombie go into a house.
That's odd...in most of the zombie films I've watched,and believe me I've watched a lot of them, the zombies almost always get into the house/base/mall etc...
FITZZ wrote: I would think a combination of leather gear (Jacket/pants/boots designed for riding) along with some form of tactical body armour would be the best combination.
Providing a degree of anti-bite/anti-bullet protection,but still allowing the wearer the ability to move quickly if need be.
I don't know if leather would do anything zombies bite hard. AND I MEAN HARD! btw what is all this talk about getting shot? zombies don't know how to use guns!
TNM wrote:I have watched LOADS of zombie movies. I have watched zombieland about a hundred thousand times. Follow the rules is my plan. And if I don't have to go out and about stay in my house, barricade it up, Put sniper rifles on the windows, and have loads of ammo food drink. In the thousands of hours of zombies i've watched I have never seen a zombie go into a house.
28 days later, 28 weeks later, shaun of the dead, dawn of the dead remake, dead set, the original night of the living dead.
Hell how have you avoided seeing zombies going into houses?
Crom wrote:OK well I stand corrected then. I was under the impression body armor did not really stop high powered rifle rounds. Does the US military finally issue out full body armor to soldiers? I remember reading back while ago troops were buying their own body armor?
Uncle Sam has ALWAYS issued full body armor to us grunts. The reason why troops were buying their own was two fold.
A: Some plates were found to be manufactured wrong and thus useless (They were recalled, including the plates I wore for 12 months in Iraq on my 1st tour) soldiers lost faith in their gear and bought their own.
B: There is always something better out there on the market. In the case above that you were reading, people were buying dragon skin and voiding their SGLI ($400,000) for using non issue equipment and peoples next of kin were pretty Po'd over not getting payouts. Thus to save the headache DOD banned the use of all non issue vests.
The Point Blank Interceptor vest is what I have used (in the army) since 2002.
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FITZZ wrote: I would think a combination of leather gear (Jacket/pants/boots designed for riding) along with some form of tactical body armour would be the best combination.
Providing a degree of anti-bite/anti-bullet protection,but still allowing the wearer the ability to move quickly if need be.
Light riot/extraction gear would be the best. Everything is made to be bite/stab proof. Though offers NO ballistic protection.
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haloreach4ever wrote:I would find some sort of explosive, if i had to i would just strap several fire lighters and some beer to my chest. If it can make a bang then it will do.
Enjoy your 3rd degree burns as the undead eat you alive.
When I watched the future weapons clip of the dragon skin, the armor they had up before it was suppose to be the standard issue? The bald guy on the show punched right through it with a standard 5.56 round (I do think it was steel core). I guess that could have just been advertising?
Speaking of Guns for the zombies, I NEED to get a hold of the AA12 from blackwater.....good god man
If you listen to the clip, the guy fully admits to using steel core (AP) rounds for the test. Which are fully designed to penetrate body armor. They are also shooting the older steel plates, which have been completely phased out and are no longer issued. In fact, the last time I even saw one was in OST in 2002 and we used em to train with to simulate the weight of a real vest.
The Sapi and newer Esapi composite plates are FAR superior to the crap steel he was shooting at.
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corpsesarefun wrote:
TNM wrote:I have watched LOADS of zombie movies. I have watched zombieland about a hundred thousand times. Follow the rules is my plan. And if I don't have to go out and about stay in my house, barricade it up, Put sniper rifles on the windows, and have loads of ammo food drink. In the thousands of hours of zombies i've watched I have never seen a zombie go into a house.
28 days later, 28 weeks later, shaun of the dead, dawn of the dead remake, dead set, the original night of the living dead.
Hell how have you avoided seeing zombies going into houses?
FITZZ wrote: I would think a combination of leather gear (Jacket/pants/boots designed for riding) along with some form of tactical body armour would be the best combination.
Providing a degree of anti-bite/anti-bullet protection,but still allowing the wearer the ability to move quickly if need be.
I don't know if leather would do anything zombies bite hard. AND I MEAN HARD! btw what is all this talk about getting shot? zombies don't know how to use guns!
You may have a point about zombies biting hard,but leather is pretty tough,I laid a bike down once and slid a bit and the jacket and pants I wore kept the road from tearing me up and they didn't even scuff up that bad.
As for ballistics protection...it's not for the zombies,it's for the surviving humans...who I'd trust less than I'd trust the zombies.
And..Bub disagrees with you concerning zombies inability to use guns...
Hey Corpses...speaking of Bub..have you ever read Romeros original script For Day of the Dead?...Very different from the film..
If you (or anyone) is interested...you can find it..and other zombie goodness here..
FITZZ wrote: ...the delicious (and IMO they are indeed delicious) MREs. ...
I don't know where you keep getting this information, but I do believe you are being decieved.
Also, MRE's aren't meant to be your only source of food, and they really aren't healthy in the long term. Not too mention they are super-high calorie meals, meant to be eaten in the field where the troop/survivor is undergoing high levels of physical activity. Stock up on em, yeah, but don't rely on them.
FITZZ wrote: ...the delicious (and IMO they are indeed delicious) MRs. ...
I don't know where you keep getting this information, but I do believe you are being deceived.
Also, MRE's aren't meant to be your only source of food, and they really aren't healthy in the long term. Not too mention they are super-high calorie meals, meant to be eaten in the field where the troop/survivor is undergoing high levels of physical activity. Stock up on em, yeah, but don't rely on them.
My information concerning MREs comes from the two months following Hurricane Katrina when MREs and tinned meats/veg/fruit were all we had to eat.
Now...of course I realize that MREs aren't meant to be the soul item on a "Survival Menu"...my overall point was in response to Jps comment concerning MREs being not so good taste wise...while I found them to be pretty damn tasty....of course,in the situation I was in...fried chunks of bowling pin might have seemed pretty damn tasty as well.
stompydakka wrote:I would pack-a-punch my thunder gun and go nuts
Blackops reference.
Ahhh... no wonder I didn't get the reference. Thanks for the heads up.
JP? You don't play BlOps?
I'm actually surprised. I'll have to bring it when I come over during the apocalypse.
Nope. Why play Modern FPS's when I have lived the real thing? Not my cup of tea anymore sadly.
FITZZ wrote:
CrashER wrote:
FITZZ wrote: ...the delicious (and IMO they are indeed delicious) MRs. ...
I don't know where you keep getting this information, but I do believe you are being deceived.
Also, MRE's aren't meant to be your only source of food, and they really aren't healthy in the long term. Not too mention they are super-high calorie meals, meant to be eaten in the field where the troop/survivor is undergoing high levels of physical activity. Stock up on em, yeah, but don't rely on them.
My information concerning MREs comes from the two months following Hurricane Katrina when MREs and tinned meats/veg/fruit were all we had to eat.
Now...of course I realize that MREs aren't meant to be the soul item on a "Survival Menu"...my overall point was in response to Jps comment concerning MREs being not so good taste wise...while I found them to be pretty damn tasty....of course,in the situation I was in...fried chunks of bowling pin might have seemed pretty damn tasty as well.
I used to think they were the great tasting.. fast forward almost 10 years of having to eat them on a regular basis (for 3 1/2 months straight during my 1st tour) and It has come to a point where I would almost go hungry over eating them.
Crom wrote:OK, but how much would a dragon skin vest cost, let alone a custom tailored one to look like regular civilian clothing?
The vest would cost a couple thousand $$$ if you could get one without military/LEID. And to look like regular civilian clothing, anyone with a sewing machine and some free time and a little know how could mod it up.
In my eyes, a small price to pay for top of the line stylish protection.
Crom wrote: Ok, but how much would a dragon skin vest cost, let alone a custom tailored one to look like regular civilian clothing?
The vest would cost a couple thousand $$$ if you could get one without military/LEID. And to look like regular civilian clothing, anyone with a sewing machine and some free time and a little know how could mod it up.
In my eyes, a small price to pay for top of the line stylish protection.
Of course the styling would be a bit unnecessary in a Zombie apocalypse..unless you feel the need to appear dapper and dashing whilst strolling through the wasteland.
Crom wrote: Ok, but how much would a dragon skin vest cost, let alone a custom tailored one to look like regular civilian clothing?
The vest would cost a couple thousand $$$ if you could get one without military/LEID. And to look like regular civilian clothing, anyone with a sewing machine and some free time and a little know how could mod it up.
In my eyes, a small price to pay for top of the line stylish protection.
Of course the styling would be a bit unnecessary in a Zombie apocalypse..unless you feel the need to appear dapper and dashing whilst strolling through the wasteland.
Melkhiordarkblade wrote:A good old Irish claidheamh mòr never runs out of ammo.
True...but then again neither do Americans.
My uncle is a huge gun collector. I mean the guy has hundred upon hundreds of guns. Some class III stuff too. He also reloads and makes his own ammo. I remember being like 8 years old and hanging out with him and reloading 12g shotgun shells with bird shot because he was gonna go hunting soon. He lives a few hours away from me, but always tells me he can unload tons of ammo on me if I need it. I mostly shoot 9mm and .357mag and well, it is not really worth reloading 9mm since it is so dirt cheap still. I need to get a .45ACP (specifically a 1911) since he reloads that by the crap load.
He has over 30k rounds in his basement, and he has another 60k+ somewhere else. The somewhere else is his hidden cache where he keeps more of his guns and ammo. I think in post apocalypse since travel is probably going to happen a lot, I would probably stick with a lot of 9mm, and some .357, for the just in case I need a bigger bullet. Then have one of my rifles with me, .308. I do love my .357 though and I am a decent shot with it. I can do 2" groups at 25 yards with it. Though to be honest as long as you got right grip and point it straight that gun is pretty accurate by itself anyway.
Melkhiordarkblade wrote:A good old Irish claidheamh mòr never runs out of ammo.
True...but then again neither do Americans.
My uncle is a huge gun collector. I mean the guy has hundred upon hundreds of guns. Some class III stuff too. He also reloads and makes his own ammo. I remember being like 8 years old and hanging out with him and reloading 12g shotgun shells with bird shot because he was gonna go hunting soon. He lives a few hours away from me, but always tells me he can unload tons of ammo on me if I need it. I mostly shoot 9mm and .357mag and well, it is not really worth reloading 9mm since it is so dirt cheap still. I need to get a .45ACP (specifically a 1911) since he reloads that by the crap load.
He has over 30k rounds in his basement, and he has another 60k+ somewhere else. The somewhere else is his hidden cache where he keeps more of his guns and ammo. I think in post apocalypse since travel is probably going to happen a lot, I would probably stick with a lot of 9mm, and some .357, for the just in case I need a bigger bullet. Then have one of my rifles with me, .308. I do love my .357 though and I am a decent shot with it. I can do 2" groups at 25 yards with it. Though to be honest as long as you got right grip and point it straight that gun is pretty accurate by itself anyway.
Nice...I've always wanted to try my hand at reloading.
As it stands today,I have aproximently 150 rounds for my .12 Gauge and 200 rounds each for my pistols,with the exception of my .357,wich I have about 100 rounds for.
Of course,on just the street that I live on,I would guess the amount of available ammo to be +500,000 rounds,as their are two gun shops and two Wal Marts in a ten mile distance.
jp400 wrote:Um... if you think 9mm is dirt cheap at todays prices, you have not been shooting for very long.
It has gone up in the last few years for sure. I used to pay $10 for a box of 100 rounds several years ago. I am talking about the reloading equipment/costs for 9mm don't make it all that much cheaper than buying it. At least what I have looked at. I am not really into reloading ammo at all to be honest.
Nice...I've always wanted to try my hand at reloading.
As it stands today,I have aproximently 150 rounds for my .12 Gauge and 200 rounds each for my pistols,with the exception of my .357,wich I have about 100 rounds for.
Of course,on just the street that I live on,I would guess the amount of available ammo to be +500,000 rounds,as their are two gun shops and two Wal Marts in a ten mile distance.
He used to have his FFL and was a private dealer. He would buy in bulk sell for a profit and then keep the guns he wanted out of his purchases. I really need to go shooting with him sometime soon now that spring time is near. He has so many high powered rifles I have never shot before. The problem is for me is that I am frugal by nature so I never want to spend large amounts of money at any given time. Though it has been about 3 years since I bought my last gun (.357 revolver) and I sort of want to get rid of my cheap chinese AK74. I bought that Ak when the getting was good, $250 and while it is fun to shoot and all, it isn't really my style. Of course the rifles I want are way damn expensive. Fan of HK and SIG.
I just took inventory a few months ago when I moved, this is what I currently have at my home in ammo canisters.
885 rounds of 7.62x54R
300+ rounds of 5.56
500+ rounds of 9mm
250 .38sp+P hollow points
300 .357mag
300 .38sp wads
My wish list of guns to buy this year is:
Springfield milspec 1911
Remington 870 12ga
Remington 700 in maybe .308 not sure on this one just yet
To be honest, there really aren't any more guns I want besides those three. Maybe a nice compact .40S&W for conceal and carry, but I don't really go out that much and when I do I am on foot because I go out to drink and don't want to get a DUI and well you cannot legally carry and drink. So I got knives for that.
controlled demolition is very hard, it takes a plan, and proper execution. You cannot just dive into a dynamic situation and use explosives to win every fight. Plus, fire is your ally and your enemy as you cannot really control fire. You set something on fire, and it can get you killed really quick if it goes wrong. All of this is covered in the zombie survival guide.
controlled demolition is very hard, it takes a plan, and proper execution. You cannot just dive into a dynamic situation and use explosives to win every fight. Plus, fire is your ally and your enemy as you cannot really control fire. You set something on fire, and it can get you killed really quick if it goes wrong. All of this is covered in the zombie survival guide.
Controlled demolition?
hell no I'm going to be causing as much destruction as I can
FITZZ wrote: I would think a combination of leather gear (Jacket/pants/boots designed for riding) along with some form of tactical body armour would be the best combination. Providing a degree of anti-bite/anti-bullet protection,but still allowing the wearer the ability to move quickly if need be.
I don't know if leather would do anything zombies bite hard. AND I MEAN HARD! btw what is all this talk about getting shot? zombies don't know how to use guns!
Ok, lets do an experiment then. Have a friend put on a leather work boot. Now, bite his foot as hard as you can, no pussying around either, this is for science.
Did you do it?
Ok. Now that you nearly dislocated your jaw, as well as hurt your teeth, tell me, you think a zombie can bite through biker leather? Yea, I didnt think so. Personally, if you can get your hands on tactical gear and all that fancy jazz, good leather is the next best thing.
controlled demolition is very hard, it takes a plan, and proper execution. You cannot just dive into a dynamic situation and use explosives to win every fight. Plus, fire is your ally and your enemy as you cannot really control fire. You set something on fire, and it can get you killed really quick if it goes wrong. All of this is covered in the zombie survival guide.
Controlled demolition?
hell no I'm going to be causing as much destruction as I can
You gonna get yourself killed that way pretty fast
FITZZ wrote: I would think a combination of leather gear (Jacket/pants/boots designed for riding) along with some form of tactical body armour would be the best combination.
Providing a degree of anti-bite/anti-bullet protection,but still allowing the wearer the ability to move quickly if need be.
I don't know if leather would do anything zombies bite hard. AND I MEAN HARD! btw what is all this talk about getting shot? zombies don't know how to use guns!
Ok, lets do an experiment then. Have a friend put on a leather work boot. Now, bite his foot as hard as you can, no pussying around either, this is for science.
Did you do it?
Ok. Now that you nearly dislocated your jaw, as well as hurt your teeth, tell me, you think a zombie can bite through biker leather? Yea, I didnt think so. Personally, if you can get your hands on tactical gear and all that fancy jazz, good leather is the next best thing.
*cant spell*
I own a pair of Harley Davidson Enginer Boots that I doubt a lion could bite through much less a zombie...
Coupled with this...
and these...
...And I'm fairly " Bite Proof"....not to mention I'm ready for the Judas Priest Concert.
controlled demolition is very hard, it takes a plan, and proper execution. You cannot just dive into a dynamic situation and use explosives to win every fight. Plus, fire is your ally and your enemy as you cannot really control fire. You set something on fire, and it can get you killed really quick if it goes wrong. All of this is covered in the zombie survival guide.
Controlled demolition?
hell no I'm going to be causing as much destruction as I can
You gonna get yourself killed that way pretty fast
I will.
And it will be the most glorious death one could have
Very nice "wish list" you have there.
Personally,I'd hold on to the AK-47...but that's just me.
I had a modified SKS that I sold several years ago and still regret doing so.
My current cache consist of a Taurus PT92,a Rossi .357,an older Colt 1911 and a Mossberg 500.
The only Gun I have on my current "wish list" is a Ruger Mini-14.
I want a 1911 pretty badly, but am not sure I really want to drop $1000 on one. The milspec springfiled seems pretty standard and pretty solid and starts at around $600 or so. I could always add on to it later on.
controlled demolition is very hard, it takes a plan, and proper execution. You cannot just dive into a dynamic situation and use explosives to win every fight. Plus, fire is your ally and your enemy as you cannot really control fire. You set something on fire, and it can get you killed really quick if it goes wrong. All of this is covered in the zombie survival guide.
Controlled demolition?
hell no I'm going to be causing as much destruction as I can
You gonna get yourself killed that way pretty fast
I will.
And it will be the most glorious death one could have
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FITZZ wrote: @ Crom..
Very nice "wish list" you have there.
Personally,I'd hold on to the AK-47...but that's just me.
I had a modified SKS that I sold several years ago and still regret doing so.
My current cache consist of a Taurus PT92,a Rossi .357,an older Colt 1911 and a Mossberg 500.
The only Gun I have on my current "wish list" is a Ruger Mini-14.
I want a 1911 pretty badly, but am not sure I really want to drop $1000 on one. The milspec springfiled seems pretty standard and pretty solid and starts at around $600 or so. I could always add on to it later on.
Very nice "wish list" you have there.
Personally,I'd hold on to the AK-47...but that's just me.
I had a modified SKS that I sold several years ago and still regret doing so.
My current cache consist of a Taurus PT92,a Rossi .357,an older Colt 1911 and a Mossberg 500.
The only Gun I have on my current "wish list" is a Ruger Mini-14.
I want a 1911 pretty badly, but am not sure I really want to drop $1000 on one. The milspec springfiled seems pretty standard and pretty solid and starts at around $600 or so. I could always add on to it later on.
Your right about prices concerning the older 1911s..I did some researching a while back and was stuned at what they are going for...but they are amazingly rugged firearms.
I swear...each time I see your collection I don't know if I hate you or am disturbingly attracted to you.
Um... thanks?
A friend of mine and I were talking about one day dragging out everything we own for a group shot... this was quickly found to be impossible cause neither of us had enough floor space in either of our living rooms.
I swear...each time I see your collection I don't know if I hate you or am disturbingly attracted to you.
Um... thanks?
A friend of mine and I were talking about one day dragging out everything we own for a group shot... this was quickly found to be impossible cause neither of us had enough floor space in either of our living rooms.
Allow me to rephrase my initial statement... I'm quiet envious of your collection,each time I see it I "want" it..but alas,the Missus already thinks I have "enough guns"...Buying one more is about all I can hope for...for now.
Fitzz, if you can only get the one, get yourself the biggest most feth off one you possibly can. Get an anti air turret and bolt it to your roof! Even JP can't contend with that!
ghosty wrote:Fitzz, if you can only get the one, get yourself the biggest most feth off one you possibly can. Get an anti air turret and bolt it to your roof! Even JP can't contend with that!
...Can he?
I don't know...I have a feeling I could go out and purchase a bazooka and jp would drive by me in an Abrams tank.
ghosty wrote:Fitzz, if you can only get the one, get yourself the biggest most feth off one you possibly can. Get an anti air turret and bolt it to your roof! Even JP can't contend with that!
...Can he?
I don't know...I have a feeling I could go out and purchase a bazooka and jp would drive by me in an Abrams tank.
Reminds me of a scene in a really bad movie where a some guys attempt a driveby but the victim pulls out a gun too causing the first guy to pull out a bigger gun so the 2nd guy pulls out a machine gun then the first guy pulls out an RPG so the 2nd guy goes and opens up his van to reveal a nuclear missile.
Very nice "wish list" you have there.
Personally,I'd hold on to the AK-47...but that's just me.
I had a modified SKS that I sold several years ago and still regret doing so.
My current cache consist of a Taurus PT92,a Rossi .357,an older Colt 1911 and a Mossberg 500.
The only Gun I have on my current "wish list" is a Ruger Mini-14.
I want a 1911 pretty badly, but am not sure I really want to drop $1000 on one. The milspec springfiled seems pretty standard and pretty solid and starts at around $600 or so. I could always add on to it later on.
Wait are you into the 1911 design or the .45ACP?
-1911 design, think Round Rock Arms. Its substantially cheaper. I'd spring for better sights though.
-.45ACP? Look at Springfield's .45 XD line. Also FNH (I thhhiiiiink FNH is cheaper but don't recollect). Taurus may have as well. Sigs have a .45 but Sigs are only cheaper than guns made of pure gold
ghosty wrote:Fitzz, if you can only get the one, get yourself the biggest most feth off one you possibly can. Get an anti air turret and bolt it to your roof! Even JP can't contend with that!
...Can he?
I don't know...I have a feeling I could go out and purchase a bazooka and jp would drive by me in an Abrams tank.
Reminds me of a scene in a really bad movie where a some guys attempt a driveby but the victim pulls out a gun too causing the first guy to pull out a bigger gun so the 2nd guy pulls out a machine gun then the first guy pulls out an RPG so the 2nd guy goes and opens up his van to reveal a nuclear missile.
Tom&Jerry?
also,
jp400 wrote:
Thats the beauty of Dragon Skin... you can make it into any shape or size you want. So yes... yes they can.
do you think my friends would be offended if I turned up to my prom in one of them
ghosty wrote:Fitzz, if you can only get the one, get yourself the biggest most feth off one you possibly can. Get an anti air turret and bolt it to your roof! Even JP can't contend with that!
...Can he?
I don't know...I have a feeling I could go out and purchase a bazooka and jp would drive by me in an Abrams tank.
Reminds me of a scene in a really bad movie where a some guys attempt a driveby but the victim pulls out a gun too causing the first guy to pull out a bigger gun so the 2nd guy pulls out a machine gun then the first guy pulls out an RPG so the 2nd guy goes and opens up his van to reveal a nuclear missile.
ghosty wrote:Fitzz, if you can only get the one, get yourself the biggest most feth off one you possibly can. Get an anti air turret and bolt it to your roof! Even JP can't contend with that!
...Can he?
I don't know...I have a feeling I could go out and purchase a bazooka and jp would drive by me in an Abrams tank.
Reminds me of a scene in a really bad movie where a some guys attempt a driveby but the victim pulls out a gun too causing the first guy to pull out a bigger gun so the 2nd guy pulls out a machine gun then the first guy pulls out an RPG so the 2nd guy goes and opens up his van to reveal a nuclear missile.
Very nice "wish list" you have there.
Personally,I'd hold on to the AK-47...but that's just me.
I had a modified SKS that I sold several years ago and still regret doing so.
My current cache consist of a Taurus PT92,a Rossi .357,an older Colt 1911 and a Mossberg 500.
The only Gun I have on my current "wish list" is a Ruger Mini-14.
I want a 1911 pretty badly, but am not sure I really want to drop $1000 on one. The milspec springfiled seems pretty standard and pretty solid and starts at around $600 or so. I could always add on to it later on.
Wait are you into the 1911 design or the .45ACP?
-1911 design, think Round Rock Arms. Its substantially cheaper. I'd spring for better sights though.
-.45ACP? Look at Springfield's .45 XD line. Also FNH (I thhhiiiiink FNH is cheaper but don't recollect). Taurus may have as well. Sigs have a .45 but Sigs are only cheaper than guns made of pure gold
I really admire the classic engineering that is the 1911, that it has withstood the test of time and is still a very well designed an practical firearm. I tend to have a sentimental value to certain things. This year marks it's 100th anniversary. I also like almost every spring field I have rented and fired at the range. I shot the XD line, and I think they are solid. Springfield has been around forever as well. I also like how 1911 parts are interchangeable in many cases. I mean you can find all sorts of parts for them all over the place.
I also like the .45 ACP round as well. I have fired speed/target loads and I have fired higher velocity loads thanks to my friends/family that load their own ammo. I like the simple design of the milspec and like the fact that it follows the standard 1911 design. I am open to any and all suggestions though.
ghosty wrote:Fitzz, if you can only get the one, get yourself the biggest most feth off one you possibly can. Get an anti air turret and bolt it to your roof! Even JP can't contend with that!
...Can he?
I don't know...I have a feeling I could go out and purchase a bazooka and jp would drive by me in an Abrams tank.
Abrams, no... But I do have access to this bad boy:
Very nice "wish list" you have there.
Personally,I'd hold on to the AK-47...but that's just me.
I had a modified SKS that I sold several years ago and still regret doing so.
My current cache consist of a Taurus PT92,a Rossi .357,an older Colt 1911 and a Mossberg 500.
The only Gun I have on my current "wish list" is a Ruger Mini-14.
I want a 1911 pretty badly, but am not sure I really want to drop $1000 on one. The milspec springfiled seems pretty standard and pretty solid and starts at around $600 or so. I could always add on to it later on.
Wait are you into the 1911 design or the .45ACP?
-1911 design, think Round Rock Arms. Its substantially cheaper. I'd spring for better sights though.
-.45ACP? Look at Springfield's .45 XD line. Also FNH (I thhhiiiiink FNH is cheaper but don't recollect). Taurus may have as well. Sigs have a .45 but Sigs are only cheaper than guns made of pure gold
I really admire the classic engineering that is the 1911, that it has withstood the test of time and is still a very well designed an practical firearm. I tend to have a sentimental value to certain things. This year marks it's 100th anniversary. I also like almost every spring field I have rented and fired at the range. I shot the XD line, and I think they are solid. Springfield has been around forever as well. I also like how 1911 parts are interchangeable in many cases. I mean you can find all sorts of parts for them all over the place.
I also like the .45 ACP round as well. I have fired speed/target loads and I have fired higher velocity loads thanks to my friends/family that load their own ammo. I like the simple design of the milspec and like the fact that it follows the standard 1911 design. I am open to any and all suggestions though.
Again River Rock Arms make a very inexpensive journeyman's .45ACP, I think for less than US$500. I'd pay the freight and get a half decent sight put on it (about $30) at your local smith, and you're good for most things outside of competitions. Plus the design is classic 1911 - aka GI style without big beavertails et al.
LLama used to make a .45ACP that was similar, but I've heard good things about RRA.
JP / Inquisitor Bob, you know of any cheap but good 1911s for our yon Cimmerian God under the mountain?
My dad's friend just happens to own a russian tank, a personnel carrier and a bunch of other military stuff. So yes, transport wont be too much of a hassle.
Bossasaurus wrote:My dad's friend just happens to own a russian tank, a personnel carrier and a bunch of other military stuff. So yes, transport wont be too much of a hassle.
Your friend's Dad's last name wouldn't be "Putin" would it?
Very nice "wish list" you have there.
Personally,I'd hold on to the AK-47...but that's just me.
I had a modified SKS that I sold several years ago and still regret doing so.
My current cache consist of a Taurus PT92,a Rossi .357,an older Colt 1911 and a Mossberg 500.
The only Gun I have on my current "wish list" is a Ruger Mini-14.
I want a 1911 pretty badly, but am not sure I really want to drop $1000 on one. The milspec springfiled seems pretty standard and pretty solid and starts at around $600 or so. I could always add on to it later on.
Wait are you into the 1911 design or the .45ACP?
-1911 design, think Round Rock Arms. Its substantially cheaper. I'd spring for better sights though.
-.45ACP? Look at Springfield's .45 XD line. Also FNH (I thhhiiiiink FNH is cheaper but don't recollect). Taurus may have as well. Sigs have a .45 but Sigs are only cheaper than guns made of pure gold
I really admire the classic engineering that is the 1911, that it has withstood the test of time and is still a very well designed an practical firearm. I tend to have a sentimental value to certain things. This year marks it's 100th anniversary. I also like almost every spring field I have rented and fired at the range. I shot the XD line, and I think they are solid. Springfield has been around forever as well. I also like how 1911 parts are interchangeable in many cases. I mean you can find all sorts of parts for them all over the place.
I also like the .45 ACP round as well. I have fired speed/target loads and I have fired higher velocity loads thanks to my friends/family that load their own ammo. I like the simple design of the milspec and like the fact that it follows the standard 1911 design. I am open to any and all suggestions though.
Again River Rock Arms make a very inexpensive journeyman's .45ACP, I think for less than US$500. I'd pay the freight and get a half decent sight put on it (about $30) at your local smith, and you're good for most things outside of competitions. Plus the design is classic 1911 - aka GI style without big beavertails et al.
LLama used to make a .45ACP that was similar, but I've heard good things about RRA.
JP / Inquisitor Bob, you know of any cheap but good 1911s for our yon Cimmerian God under the mountain?
Hmmm..The S&W1911 is good...but far from cheap with a $900.00+ price tag.
I'll have to do some digging around.
While the 1911 is pretty awesome, think about magazine capacity. For example, the XD .45 comes with 13-rounders (unless you're in Banifornia), while the 1911's mags hold 8. I don't know about you, but the less I have to reload, the better.
CrashUSAR wrote:While the 1911 is pretty awesome, think about magazine capacity. For example, the XD .45 comes with 13-rounders (unless you're in Banifornia), while the 1911's mags hold 8. I don't know about you, but the less I have to reload, the better.
This is very true..and from what I saw the prices are pretty nice as well.
@ Frazz..
I heard that the Lamma .45 had some issues with jams...but that was some time ago.
Sadly, when it comes to 1911's, cheap and good don't go hand in hand.
HOWEVER...
Springfield does make a bare bones GI 1911 that is pretty much the exact same thing the army used to issue. No bells or whistles, but goes for around $400-500 US.
CrashUSAR wrote:While the 1911 is pretty awesome, think about magazine capacity. For example, the XD .45 comes with 13-rounders (unless you're in Banifornia), while the 1911's mags hold 8. I don't know about you, but the less I have to reload, the better.
I used to think about magazine capacity a lot more than I do these days. My 9mm holds 16 (15 in the mag + 1 in the pipe) rounds, and I think the XD 9mm holds 20. Then I got my first revolver, and I shoot like probably 10 to 15 percent more accurate with it over my semi autos. I don't know why, maybe it is they are easier to be more accurate? My revolver holds 7 rounds, and shoots .357mag. If it didn't have a huge ass barrel it would be my carry piece. In all honesty in most situations you will get in, outside of urban warfare, you shouldn't need to actually unload a full magazine.
I've been mugged twice in my life, both times at knife point. Both times I gladly handed over my cash in my pocket over getting stabbed. If I had actually had my guns on me, I would have probably still given over the cash in my pocket, because both times the dudes got the jump on me. Both times I was drunk too, so I was an easy target.
I am not sure I subscribe to the idea that you need to have a gun with a high capacity magazine. If I have to defend myself in a home invasion situation, I feel pretty confident I would only need one shot if it really came down to it. Having 6 more just in case is just a bonus.
However, I do agree with you that the Springfield XD line is pretty damn sweet. I just really want a 1911. Call me old school, I dunno, but I really like old designs that still hold up to today's standards. To me it means that they were designed so well to begin with, they are still used 100 years later, and I think that is cool.
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jp400 wrote:@ Frazz:
Sadly, when it comes to 1911's, cheap and good don't go hand in hand.
HOWEVER...
Springfield does make a bare bones GI 1911 that is pretty much the exact same thing the army used to issue. No bells or whistles, but goes for around $400-500 US.
Sadly, when it comes to 1911's, cheap and good don't go hand in hand.
HOWEVER...
Springfield does make a bare bones GI 1911 that is pretty much the exact same thing the army used to issue. No bells or whistles, but goes for around $400-500 US.
It is a great start if you plan to slowly upgrade over time.
I hear ya but that was the price parameters given. I'd not quibble ofver a Springfield though.
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Frazzled wrote:
jp400 wrote:@ Frazz:
Sadly, when it comes to 1911's, cheap and good don't go hand in hand.
HOWEVER...
Springfield does make a bare bones GI 1911 that is pretty much the exact same thing the army used to issue. No bells or whistles, but goes for around $400-500 US.
It is a great start if you plan to slowly upgrade over time.
I hear ya but that was the price parameters given. I'd not quibble ofver a Springfield though.
Way out of the price league here but STI International has excellent competition level double column .45s (ok they're made for competition so one would hope they're competition level). I think there is a Canadian company that does so as well.
...Best if you stay far from my crosshairs with that sort of outlook. 
Thought 
