Archim3des wrote:That's hardly unprecedented. How does Pfizer make Viagra? They won't share the info.

Apples and oranges. You are doing research regarding public health. That kind of info should always be shared with everyone. (Also, Pfizer has to patent their drugs, where they reveal a great deal about the formulations and the methods for making them. So that others can build on pfizer's knowledge and create new inventions. So you are doubly wrong).

I do share it - I'm typing a PM right now!

Even if that were true, and who knows if it is, you are anti-science and anti-knowledge because you are not revealing your data here. There is NO LOGICAL REASON WHATSEOVER to withhold this information from the public.

Joe, Archemeaies, will you two please knock it off?

Arch, I'm sure that you have good reasons for witholding the info. But could you send it to Joe Mama, so he can calm down a bit?

Archim3des wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:
But you have data which you don't share.

That's hardly unprecedented. How does Pfizer make Viagra? They won't share the info.
I do share it - I'm typing a PM right now! Send me a PM, ask nicely, and you might get some of this info I'm hoarding. Others have.
Of course, if I've written you off as an insufferable jagoff who caused me to lose interest in maintaining my own thread, I may not reply to you.

They have a commercial interest in keeping that secret which you, as far as we know don't. But they do have a patent on it and have to reveal almost everything on what is the drug and how is it made. It is one of the reasons you can buy several generic drugs after the patent expires. Also they have to reveal their clinical results on mice and human subjects before being allowed to market them. So yes they are sharing the data.

Chowderhead wrote:Arch, I'm sure that you have good reasons for witholding the info.

That was a good one.

Ah, I laughed so hard I cried there. Wow...

Well then! If you are a mouse, or on the regulatory side of microbiology testing, I will reveal all to you.
Not a mouse or an actual biologist (studying to be a biologist doesn't quite count!)?
See you when my patent expires. Since I don't have one...

Archim3des wrote:Well then! If you are a mouse, or on the regulatory side of microbiology testing, I will reveal all to you.
Until my patent expires.

Now you aren't even trying to *act* like you care. Sound more like a garden variety under the bridge dweller now.

Don't know why you are aiming for zero credibility, but methinks you succeeded in convincing most folks of your contributions here, or the lack there of.

Will you two stop. Please.

Not my internet credibility! Not when my chief detractor clearly has Freudian issues as yet unresolved! Not that!

Meeeellllllltingggggg....

Chowderhead wrote:Will you two stop. Please.

I want sharing of information. When a dude says "test came back positive for bacteria" and I ask "which ones, how much" that's reasonable. Saying "piss off" or the like and acting like a troll is not reasonable. Arch is clearly trying to single-handedly get the thread locked now, so I am sure this thread at least will stop.

.. and we're done.