skoffs wrote:SO, how 'bout them 6th edition rules rumors.
Pretty crazy, huh?

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AlexHolker wrote:

KarlPedder wrote:Save that in 5th ed GW seem to have realized that if your going to have seperate rule books for variant SM armies having each one have a flavour that distinguishes them helps to justify their existance beyond an excuse to sell the same kits for multiple armies. How many times do you see folks saying that DA should be rolled into Codex SM because they aren't different enough to warrant their own codex? Or how often DA players lament that everything that made them unique has been given out to all the other SM armies. But thankfully GW seem to have as I say realized the mistake and begun to give each SM codex unique units, themes and playstyles thus allowing them to continue to sell the core SM units which is the primary purpose of multiple SM armies but now they actually provide a mechanical worth along with it.

GW learnt the wrong bloody lesson. Smothering the life out of the game by making every second codex more Space Marines? That is not fixing the problem. Fixing the problem would be exiling Mat Ward to Games Workshop Alice Springs and replacing him with someone who would do Space Marines right.

Harriticus wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:GW learnt the wrong bloody lesson. Smothering the life out of the game by making every second codex more Space Marines? That is not fixing the problem. Fixing the problem would be exiling Mat Ward to Games Workshop Alice Springs and replacing him with someone who would do Space Marines right.

This x1000. Marines have been killing 40k. You have to wade through a sea of largely identical codex's and books of Red Space Marines vs Green Space Marines vs Light Blue Space Marines vs Black Space Marines, and so on.

Harriticus wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

KarlPedder wrote:Save that in 5th ed GW seem to have realized that if your going to have seperate rule books for variant SM armies having each one have a flavour that distinguishes them helps to justify their existance beyond an excuse to sell the same kits for multiple armies. How many times do you see folks saying that DA should be rolled into Codex SM because they aren't different enough to warrant their own codex? Or how often DA players lament that everything that made them unique has been given out to all the other SM armies. But thankfully GW seem to have as I say realized the mistake and begun to give each SM codex unique units, themes and playstyles thus allowing them to continue to sell the core SM units which is the primary purpose of multiple SM armies but now they actually provide a mechanical worth along with it.

GW learnt the wrong bloody lesson. Smothering the life out of the game by making every second codex more Space Marines? That is not fixing the problem. Fixing the problem would be exiling Mat Ward to Games Workshop Alice Springs and replacing him with someone who would do Space Marines right.

This x1000. Marines have been killing 40k. You have to wade through a sea of largely identical codex's and books of Red Space Marines vs Green Space Marines vs Light Blue Space Marines vs Black Space Marines, and so on.

skoffs wrote:Well, if it's anything like what's been described (dragon made of flame wearing steel plates as armor), so long as they don't stick too many "futuristic" looking bits on it, they could easily make it one of those 40k/WHFB cross-over models Chaos armies seem so fond of.

ceorron wrote:If that is the case, ShumaGorath, why are we getting codex creep.

Fetterkey wrote:

ceorron wrote:If that is the case, ShumaGorath, why are we getting codex creep.

We aren't. Codex creep doesn't exist. All 5th edition Codices are balanced with one another.

At first I had thoughts that a dragon in 40k was a little out of place, but today I remembered that Kharns axe, gorechild, was made with dragons teeth...so I guess it is not THAT odd...

Fetterkey wrote:

ceorron wrote:If that is the case, ShumaGorath, why are we getting codex creep.

We aren't. Codex creep doesn't exist. All 5th edition Codices are balanced with one another.

frozenwastes wrote:
Please bear in mind that 2nd edition 40k is what turned GW into a small UK based company and into an international concern. Ever since 3rd edition, 40k rules have been about selling as many miniatures as possible to make a complete army.

Coincidentally, Warmachine & Hordes have the same model count for a normal sized game as 40k did back in the 90s and they've experienced record growth while GW has stagnated with its huge model count games that the average customer quits before actually playing a full sized game.

GW could learn a lot by taking a look at what made them a huge company in the first place.

Sadly, I think 6th edition will be yet another rehash the rules while keep the underlying structure the same.