clodax66 wrote: So far that rumours seams to be spot on. That makes me happy as an Eldar player, since there is suppose to be massive Eldar release next year according to the rumour along with a massive CSM release. They also said we are getting squats and that made suspicious of that rumour, but now looks we are getting squats. I am not sure in what format. whether it's a full army of just a kill team
Not a killjoy, but the leak didn't said anything new besides the Codex.
So the codex is the "massive but incomplete update"?
Specific words. Massive but incomplete update.
Yes, massive udpate can mean a massive overhaul to rules. I don't see them reduxing every single kit in plastic, and poor guys look even more ancient than Necrons right now.
Specific words are not so specific given the case.
Yes, massive udpate can mean a massive overhaul to rules.
Like an Eldar Campaign book? Almost none of the campaign books have had massive overhaul to the rules, and all the codexes so far have been massive overhauls to the factions that claiming a "massive overhaul" to the Eldar codex just feels redundant and can be almost applied to every single 9th edition codex.
Also, a "massive but incomplete update" is a very weird way to describe a codex update.
Regarding the Gen Con updates, at what hours are these updates usually coming out?
clodax66 wrote: So far that rumours seams to be spot on. That makes me happy as an Eldar player, since there is suppose to be massive Eldar release next year according to the rumour along with a massive CSM release. They also said we are getting squats and that made suspicious of that rumour, but now looks we are getting squats. I am not sure in what format. whether it's a full army of just a kill team
Not a killjoy, but the leak didn't said anything new besides the Codex.
So the codex is the "massive but incomplete update"?
Specific words. Massive but incomplete update.
Yes, massive udpate can mean a massive overhaul to rules. I don't see them reduxing every single kit in plastic, and poor guys look even more ancient than Necrons right now.
Specific words are not so specific given the case.
I mean it specifically said ‘incomplete’, so I don’t think anyone is expecting every kit in plastic…
The rumour isn’t specific about what is being updated but I have a feeling you might be the only person to read ‘massive but incomplete update’ and come away thinking that means ‘just a new codex’.
Yes, massive udpate can mean a massive overhaul to rules.
Like an Eldar Campaign book? Almost none of the campaign books have had massive overhaul to the rules, and all the codexes so far have been massive overhauls to the factions that claiming a "massive overhaul" to the Eldar codex is just redundancy taken to a new level and can be almost applied to every single 9th edition codex.
Also, a "massive but incomplete update" is a very weird way to describe a codex update.
Consider how much detail they gave to the allegaded CSM range versus "massive but incomplete update" for Eldar.
I really want new plastic Eldar, but that leak regarding them is just extremely vague.
Yes, massive udpate can mean a massive overhaul to rules.
Like an Eldar Campaign book? Almost none of the campaign books have had massive overhaul to the rules, and all the codexes so far have been massive overhauls to the factions that claiming a "massive overhaul" to the Eldar codex is just redundancy taken to a new level and can be almost applied to every single 9th edition codex.
Also, a "massive but incomplete update" is a very weird way to describe a codex update.
Consider how much detail they gave to the allegaded CSM range versus "massive but incomplete update" for Eldar.
I really want new plastic Eldar, but that leak regarding them is just extremely vague.
Maybe they just don't care overly about eldar hence gave them a backseat or couldn't remember specific units over a year out.
Yes, massive udpate can mean a massive overhaul to rules.
Like an Eldar Campaign book? Almost none of the campaign books have had massive overhaul to the rules, and all the codexes so far have been massive overhauls to the factions that claiming a "massive overhaul" to the Eldar codex is just redundancy taken to a new level and can be almost applied to every single 9th edition codex.
Also, a "massive but incomplete update" is a very weird way to describe a codex update.
Consider how much detail they gave to the allegaded CSM range versus "massive but incomplete update" for Eldar.
I really want new plastic Eldar, but that leak regarding them is just extremely vague.
I agree it is vague, but so are many of these rumors sadly.
The rumors got more and more vague and unclear the further it went out. All of the stuff you are mentioning also has no release date and less specifics. I still suspect a fairly big elder update on models but still less then the orks current release especially with how massive the rumor was for chaos marines. Next year appears to be the year of a massive chaos revamp….
I’m not really surprised but I am disappointed we don’t have another primarch in the pipeline yet. I would really like to see a dorn or corax primarch and an Angron demon primarch sooner rather then later.
Yes, massive udpate can mean a massive overhaul to rules.
Like an Eldar Campaign book? Almost none of the campaign books have had massive overhaul to the rules, and all the codexes so far have been massive overhauls to the factions that claiming a "massive overhaul" to the Eldar codex is just redundancy taken to a new level and can be almost applied to every single 9th edition codex.
Also, a "massive but incomplete update" is a very weird way to describe a codex update.
Consider how much detail they gave to the allegaded CSM range versus "massive but incomplete update" for Eldar.
I really want new plastic Eldar, but that leak regarding them is just extremely vague.
I play dark eldar, but while I can tell the aspects apart, my knowledge of craftworlders is a lot more limited. Meanwhile I dont play chaos, but could identify probably 95% of their models and weapons at a glance. Not being specific on the eldar is not really a warning sign to me.
Maybe they just don't care overly about eldar hence gave them a backseat or couldn't remember specific units over a year out.
Conveniently caring enough to give a good amounf of details about everything else?
Not everything else, world eaters, squats and Daemons got glanced over as well.
Tbh it was a rant almost following the shocking codex roadmap, I doubt they felt like spending hours divulging all of the details of every model, more of a heated "here's stuff".
Yes, massive udpate can mean a massive overhaul to rules.
Like an Eldar Campaign book? Almost none of the campaign books have had massive overhaul to the rules, and all the codexes so far have been massive overhauls to the factions that claiming a "massive overhaul" to the Eldar codex is just redundancy taken to a new level and can be almost applied to every single 9th edition codex.
Also, a "massive but incomplete update" is a very weird way to describe a codex update.
Consider how much detail they gave to the allegaded CSM range versus "massive but incomplete update" for Eldar.
I really want new plastic Eldar, but that leak regarding them is just extremely vague.
Maybe they just don't care overly about eldar hence gave them a backseat or couldn't remember specific units over a year out.
Yes considering it was on Bolter and Chainsword- where they are mostly focused on ...bolters and chainswords [i.e marines of various colours/spikiness]. I think thats why the releases about the black templars and Chaos were so detailed- not just because of the guy's own preferences but also the main preferences of that particular forum. Wouldn't read any more into it than that.
The guys rumours appear to be very spot on so I'd be optimistic.
Remains to be seen! We got a pretty hefty spread of stuff yesterday(Underworlds and Kill Team starter plus the reveal of the next Warzone and its launch box...which I think was meant to be today not yesterday).
We still have Necromunda, Warhammer 40k, Blood Bowl, and War Cry yet to see reveals for. We also know there are two "exclusive seminars" Saturday and Sunday.
Knight wrote: I hope they redo aspect warriors, plastic Warp Spiders and Swooping hawks. It's been a long wait. Falcon is perfection.
Curious what they'll cook up for Warcry.
Falcon could use a kit remaster like the Russ and Chimaera got. Would probably be able to integrate the wave serpent onto the sprue as well.
Vypers really ought to be redone to bring them in like with the venom and voidweaver.
I think today is the seminars isn't it, which are towards the end of the day for the west coast. I'm thinking the next ones are more early morning GMT updates rather than friday and saturday ones.
Tastyfish wrote: I think today is the seminars isn't it, which are towards the end of the day for the west coast. I'm thinking the next ones are more early morning GMT updates rather than friday and saturday ones.
GenCon is in Indianapolis which is in the Eastern time zone (it's currently 2 pm).
Maybe they just don't care overly about eldar hence gave them a backseat or couldn't remember specific units over a year out.
Conveniently caring enough to give a good amounf of details about everything else?
Not everything else, world eaters, squats and Daemons got glanced over as well.
Tbh it was a rant almost following the shocking codex roadmap, I doubt they felt like spending hours divulging all of the details of every model, more of a heated "here's stuff".
World Eaters would imply a Codex, new Berzerkers, and with any luck, the treatment DG and TS got, so no need to specify.
What else could you expect about daemons?
Squats going to IG.
You can infer all of that easily, so the thing was a detailed CSM list versus "Eldar gets stuff".
Tastyfish wrote: I think today is the seminars isn't it, which are towards the end of the day for the west coast. I'm thinking the next ones are more early morning GMT updates rather than friday and saturday ones.
GenCon is in Indianapolis which is in the Eastern time zone (it's currently 2 pm).
And the seminars are at 6pm? So 23:00 in the UK, that's better than I thought.
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MajorWesJanson wrote: Vypers really ought to be redone to bring them in like with the venom and voidweaver.
I expect they'll either update it or bring a replacement, something similar to a Hornet. I fell that the concept of a mobile gun platform didn't age quite well with the arms race that happened. Wave serpent is a model that I hope gets a more radical redesign, I'm fine with modularity but with how much budget GW has, it'd be neat to have it more visually unique.
Maybe they just don't care overly about eldar hence gave them a backseat or couldn't remember specific units over a year out.
Conveniently caring enough to give a good amounf of details about everything else?
Not everything else, world eaters, squats and Daemons got glanced over as well.
Tbh it was a rant almost following the shocking codex roadmap, I doubt they felt like spending hours divulging all of the details of every model, more of a heated "here's stuff".
World Eaters would imply a Codex, new Berzerkers, and with any luck, the treatment DG and TS got, so no need to specify.
What else could you expect about daemons?
Squats going to IG.
You can infer all of that easily, so the thing was a detailed CSM list versus "Eldar gets stuff".
Eldar models getting redesigned, but not all of them, what need is there to specify? You need to stop taking this so personally. If you want to be sceptical that's fine but it's not worth being bitter at the lack of eldar details.
Eldar models getting redesigned, but not all of them, what need is there to specify? You need to stop taking this so personally. If you want to be sceptical that's fine but it's not worth being bitter at the lack of eldar details.
This isn't personal. I just pointed out that the same leaked detailed with care one of the major factions, one chapter, and then just said "new stuff" for another big faction. Previously, someone said "new redesign for Eldar", and it was just Plastic Banshees.
Eldar models getting redesigned, but not all of them, what need is there to specify? You need to stop taking this so personally. If you want to be sceptical that's fine but it's not worth being bitter at the lack of eldar details.
This isn't personal. I just pointed out that the same leaked detailed with care one of the major factions, one chapter, and then just said "new stuff" for another big faction. Previously, someone said "new redesign for Eldar", and it was just Plastic Banshees.
It didn’t just say ‘new stuff’ though. It said ‘a massive but incomplete update of Eldar’. It isn’t specific, but there’s more context than just ‘new stuff’ and reading it as if it’s going to be just a codex or a small update just because it’s not as specific as stuff that’s probably a lot closer is just wilfully misreading what ‘massive but incomplete’ means.
Eldar models getting redesigned, but not all of them, what need is there to specify? You need to stop taking this so personally. If you want to be sceptical that's fine but it's not worth being bitter at the lack of eldar details.
This isn't personal. I just pointed out that the same leaked detailed with care one of the major factions, one chapter, and then just said "new stuff" for another big faction. Previously, someone said "new redesign for Eldar", and it was just Plastic Banshees.
That's fair, they've said some but not all thus time round which admittedly could be anything between 1 kit and all but 1, time will tell if it tracks still
Eldar models getting redesigned, but not all of them, what need is there to specify? You need to stop taking this so personally. If you want to be sceptical that's fine but it's not worth being bitter at the lack of eldar details.
This isn't personal. I just pointed out that the same leaked detailed with care one of the major factions, one chapter, and then just said "new stuff" for another big faction. Previously, someone said "new redesign for Eldar", and it was just Plastic Banshees.
It didn’t just say ‘new stuff’ though. It said ‘a massive but incomplete update of Eldar’. It isn’t specific, but there’s more context than just ‘new stuff’ and reading it as if it’s going to be just a codex or a small update just because it’s not as specific as stuff that’s probably a lot closer is just wilfully misreading what ‘massive but incomplete’ means.
This ^^^^
Technically if they redid everything apart from wraith units, bikes and recent hq's that would fulfill the massive but not complete statement and leave most happy.
FWIW the Warhammer official account on Instagram posted artwork of the Chaos Chainsaw guy for BB (Max Spleenripper?) about 3 hours ago who wears a noticeable Khorne symbol.
morgaur wrote: FWIW the Warhammer official account on Instagram posted artwork of the Chaos Chainsaw guy for BB (Max Spleenripper?) about 3 hours ago who wears a noticeable Khorne symbol.
Oh, I know. I think it's maybe not much of a coincidence that an image of him gets posted hours before a seminar in which a new BB team might get announced, given Khorne is rumoured to be getting a team. Even less taking into account how the T'au and sisters Kill Teams appeared in Instagram before getting officially announced on WarCom.
Ghaz wrote: Or he's there just because he seems like he's finally being released...
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That's what was posted on Twitter. I'm assuming the same was on Instagram.
Either way, we know Blood Bowl is one of the notes for them to hit this weekend.
It's a 1 and a half hour presentation and if I recall correctly they post the info after the presentation so it could be 2:30 or 3AM!
There are now hidden videos for Warcry, 40K, Necromunda and Bloodbowl on Youtube so they have something ilned up.
You are correct that it is a 90 minute presentation, but I thought that they started posting bits of it at about 30 minutes after the presentation starts.
So... by the time I get home in an hour we'll know all about [the new thing] as well as the [redone old thing] and the [thing no one saw coming but was spoiled in the rumours] and the [thing no one really cares about]. Cool!
Eldar models getting redesigned, but not all of them, what need is there to specify? You need to stop taking this so personally. If you want to be sceptical that's fine but it's not worth being bitter at the lack of eldar details.
This isn't personal. I just pointed out that the same leaked detailed with care one of the major factions, one chapter, and then just said "new stuff" for another big faction. Previously, someone said "new redesign for Eldar", and it was just Plastic Banshees.
It didn’t just say ‘new stuff’ though. It said ‘a massive but incomplete update of Eldar’. It isn’t specific, but there’s more context than just ‘new stuff’ and reading it as if it’s going to be just a codex or a small update just because it’s not as specific as stuff that’s probably a lot closer is just wilfully misreading what ‘massive but incomplete’ means.
Yet, what is a "massive update"? New models? Or they are making Craftworlds and Ynnari the same thing?
It would be cool if this new team could take a minotaur, might give GW an excuse to do a plastic one and replace that awful FW version. If they could do a plastic treeman why not a mino!
Thargrim wrote: It would be cool if this new team could take a minotaur, might give GW an excuse to do a plastic one and replace that awful FW version. If they could do a plastic treeman why not a mino!
Maybe the same reason that they can't do a Kroxigor for the Crater Gators?
hotsauceman1 wrote: So ummmm.
That was it?
The game people barely care about?
It's an hour and a half presentation. Blood Bowl (a game that a lot of people care about) is just the first thing we'll likely see tonight, it's just that it wasn't posted until an hour after the presentation started.
CMLR wrote: Honestly, they might only release just one thing more per day until 19th now.
There's a seminar today and one tomorrow but none on Sunday so probably 2 today 2 tomorrow none on Sunday. (2 from the remaining 4 inc Bloodbowl there may be more than 2 articles like Killteam yesterday)
So Chilly Khorne Carnage it is for Blood Bowl then.
Very nice figures, they look well bashy with lots of cool little details too. Now those star players previewed earlier this year Scyla Anfingrimm and Max Spleenripper make total sense.
Interesting to see their rules, I guess frenzy will feature. Hopefully they do get access to a Minotaur as well
Kinda disappointed with the Khorngors to be honest. I guess they have hooves, but these strike me more as alt-sculpts of the Necromantic team's werewolves.
Really nice Khorne team. Models look on point. Would have preferred a Chaos Dwarf team personally, but I’m not going to complain about another awesome looking Blood Bowl team.
My guess is the seminar was mostly just a rehash of things already revealed yesterday. Since it seems the Kill Team announcement leaked out early yesterday, all they really had to show was blood bowl
Thargrim wrote: So....is that it? Wasn't this seminar an hour and half and that's all they have to show?
It wouldn't be a GW preview if the overwhelming after-feeling was "Is that it?".
True, but dang. One lousy team for a game that isn't the most popular product they make? I hope tomorrow's event is bigger, otherwise this will be a sad weekend in the GW news department
We know they have to show Templar stuff because of the silouhette shown, but my expectations for GW "reveals" are so low now, the BB team doesn't even phase me.
bullyboy wrote: We know they have to show Templar stuff because of the silouhette shown, but my expectations for GW "reveals" are so low now, the BB team doesn't even phase me.
Some of it has to be the backup with how crazy the world is, but I hope they're not losing their momentum.
With how long ago Scylla and that other Khorne star player were revealed i'd imagine that team was meant to come out early in the year. For all we know they have a backlog of finished BB material that could go on for months. So I think they're still playing catchup.
I mean all that Aeronautica Imperialis stuff that was shown still isn't out yet, and there was a lot of it. I don't think they're losing momentum in terms of having stuff to put out, moreso they are limited by production capabilities.
40k will be Black Templar and likely a teaser for the rumored GSC v Custodes box set (where the only new models will be a Custodes 'lieutenant' and a GSC 'saboteur').
Necromunda will be whatever's next for them, maybe a teaser of one of the new gangs.
Warcry is the one that surprises me the most, but honestly I'm just expecting more Stormcast v Kruleboy junk.
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Thargrim wrote: With how long ago Scylla and that other Khorne star player were revealed i'd imagine that team was meant to come out early in the year. For all we know they have a backlog of finished BB material that could go on for months. So I think they're still playing catchup.
I mean all that Aeronautica Imperialis stuff that was shown still isn't out yet, and there was a lot of it. I don't think they're losing momentum in terms of having stuff to put out, moreso they are limited by production capabilities.
This ^
According to my local GW manager, a lot of the production is slowed down by more covid precautions. It's a GW store and half the product is just not on the shelves. Even the paint rack is looking mighty sparse.
An interesting thing to note is that the Ork Codex was printed in the USA. Maybe a nod to an attempt to get paper made elsewhere than China...
drbored wrote: 40k will be Black Templar and likely a teaser for the rumored GSC v Custodes box set (where the only new models will be a Custodes 'lieutenant' and a GSC 'saboteur').
Necromunda will be whatever's next for them, maybe a teaser of one of the new gangs.
Warcry is the one that surprises me the most, but honestly I'm just expecting more Stormcast v Kruleboy junk.
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Thargrim wrote: With how long ago Scylla and that other Khorne star player were revealed i'd imagine that team was meant to come out early in the year. For all we know they have a backlog of finished BB material that could go on for months. So I think they're still playing catchup.
I mean all that Aeronautica Imperialis stuff that was shown still isn't out yet, and there was a lot of it. I don't think they're losing momentum in terms of having stuff to put out, moreso they are limited by production capabilities.
This ^
According to my local GW manager, a lot of the production is slowed down by more covid precautions. It's a GW store and half the product is just not on the shelves. Even the paint rack is looking mighty sparse.
An interesting thing to note is that the Ork Codex was printed in the USA. Maybe a nod to an attempt to get paper made elsewhere than China...
I was speaking to someone today who works in import/ export. They were saying that there is currently a world wide shortage of shipping containers. It's going to be years before this is all sorted out.
drbored wrote: 40k will be Black Templar and likely a teaser for the rumored GSC v Custodes box set (where the only new models will be a Custodes 'lieutenant' and a GSC 'saboteur').
Necromunda will be whatever's next for them, maybe a teaser of one of the new gangs.
Warcry is the one that surprises me the most, but honestly I'm just expecting more Stormcast v Kruleboy junk.
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Thargrim wrote: With how long ago Scylla and that other Khorne star player were revealed i'd imagine that team was meant to come out early in the year. For all we know they have a backlog of finished BB material that could go on for months. So I think they're still playing catchup.
I mean all that Aeronautica Imperialis stuff that was shown still isn't out yet, and there was a lot of it. I don't think they're losing momentum in terms of having stuff to put out, moreso they are limited by production capabilities.
This ^
According to my local GW manager, a lot of the production is slowed down by more covid precautions. It's a GW store and half the product is just not on the shelves. Even the paint rack is looking mighty sparse.
An interesting thing to note is that the Ork Codex was printed in the USA. Maybe a nod to an attempt to get paper made elsewhere than China...
I was speaking to someone today who works in import/ export. They were saying that there is currently a world wide shortage of shipping containers. It's going to be years before this is all sorted out.
Yeah, that's probably a safe bet. Eventually, shipping containers might become so expensive that it's cheaper to load shipping containers up with raw materials to make more shipping containers to ship back to where they make shipping containers.
drbored wrote: 40k will be Black Templar and likely a teaser for the rumored GSC v Custodes box set (where the only new models will be a Custodes 'lieutenant' and a GSC 'saboteur').
Necromunda will be whatever's next for them, maybe a teaser of one of the new gangs.
Warcry is the one that surprises me the most, but honestly I'm just expecting more Stormcast v Kruleboy junk.
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Thargrim wrote: With how long ago Scylla and that other Khorne star player were revealed i'd imagine that team was meant to come out early in the year. For all we know they have a backlog of finished BB material that could go on for months. So I think they're still playing catchup.
I mean all that Aeronautica Imperialis stuff that was shown still isn't out yet, and there was a lot of it. I don't think they're losing momentum in terms of having stuff to put out, moreso they are limited by production capabilities.
This ^
According to my local GW manager, a lot of the production is slowed down by more covid precautions. It's a GW store and half the product is just not on the shelves. Even the paint rack is looking mighty sparse.
An interesting thing to note is that the Ork Codex was printed in the USA. Maybe a nod to an attempt to get paper made elsewhere than China...
I heard this too, combined with the fact I know some people that live in the UK and they were telling me they're still lockdown in their city.
I'm guessing they were supposed to reveal the KT stuff in this last seminar, but it looked like the community social media team released pictures of the Sister's before a community article was out, and thus they put the article out early.
Even if that was the case though, an hour and a half seminar for two new products is pretty......lame to say the least. I would have hate to have been there in person.
Togusa wrote: True, but dang. One lousy team for a game that isn't the most popular product they make? I hope tomorrow's event is bigger, otherwise this will be a sad weekend in the GW news department
I'm not sure what you were expecting for a BB release other than a team... I'm sure a new edition wasn't on the cards.
As for the previews so far-that's new models for one entire BB team, one entire kill team and two Underworlds teams (as part of a new edition box set), plus what I think we're all now confidently saying is an upgrade sprue for Tau. Without checking the exact numbers that's 30 ish entirely new sculpts. Sure, you might not be interested in them (I'm not either) but they're all great models (except the Tau heads).
I don't want to derail things but could you briefly explain what you were reasonably expecting that would have made it impressive?
Best way to look at it is that GW previews are like regular previews, only in slow motion. We get to see a lot of stuff, but it may take them several individual previews to get through all of it.
The Black Adder wrote: I'm not sure what you were expecting for a BB release other than a team... I'm sure a new edition wasn't on the cards.
His issue wasn't that there was only one BB reveal. His issue is that there was only one reveal. Period. Nothing else for any other system.
Yeah, GW previews and open days have always been lacklustre. From a dribble of previews to nothing at all in some cases. Forgeworld on the other hand were amazing. Oh, how I miss Forgeworld previews...
The Black Adder wrote: I don't want to derail things but could you briefly explain what you were reasonably expecting that would have made it impressive?
Not that the models are bad or anything, but it's just another Bloodbowl reveal that has me thinking "wake me when they announce a Tomb Kings team". So pretty meh preview for me.
drbored wrote: 40k will be Black Templar and likely a teaser for the rumored GSC v Custodes box set (where the only new models will be a Custodes 'lieutenant' and a GSC 'saboteur').
Necromunda will be whatever's next for them, maybe a teaser of one of the new gangs.
Warcry is the one that surprises me the most, but honestly I'm just expecting more Stormcast v Kruleboy junk.
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Thargrim wrote: With how long ago Scylla and that other Khorne star player were revealed i'd imagine that team was meant to come out early in the year. For all we know they have a backlog of finished BB material that could go on for months. So I think they're still playing catchup.
I mean all that Aeronautica Imperialis stuff that was shown still isn't out yet, and there was a lot of it. I don't think they're losing momentum in terms of having stuff to put out, moreso they are limited by production capabilities.
This ^
According to my local GW manager, a lot of the production is slowed down by more covid precautions. It's a GW store and half the product is just not on the shelves. Even the paint rack is looking mighty sparse.
An interesting thing to note is that the Ork Codex was printed in the USA. Maybe a nod to an attempt to get paper made elsewhere than China...
I heard this too, combined with the fact I know some people that live in the UK and they were telling me they're still lockdown in their city.
Why were they telling you they’re in lockdown? There isn’t one currently anywhere here.
Or was this a conversation early in the year?
zedmeister wrote: Yeah, GW previews and open days have always been lacklustre. From a dribble of previews to nothing at all in some cases. Forgeworld on the other hand were amazing. Oh, how I miss Forgeworld previews...
In recent times they've been more willing to show a few items on their preview days. It is a bit watered down by the fact they have several systems these days, when an announcement comes out for a system you don't collect it's easy for it to feel like there's been no announcement at all.
It does seem like they want to both preview some long term things whilst at the same time having most of their range be a shock and awe out of the blue release.
I'm still waiting on that Aeronautica Imperialis set they announced 6 months ago at the last big preview event thing of which I've forgotten the name.
The Black Adder wrote: I'm not sure what you were expecting for a BB release other than a team... I'm sure a new edition wasn't on the cards.
His issue wasn't that there was only one BB reveal. His issue is that there was only one reveal. Period. Nothing else for any other system.
Which would be fair if we hadn't already seen the other previewed kits for other systems and we've got a list of game systems that GW have said they're going to preview more kits for at Gen Con. Togusa's statement that the BB release was "One lousy team for a game that isn't the most popular product they make" seemed overly dismissive and I'm genuinely interested what they'd hoped to see. We've got 2 more days of previews so hopefully the disappointment will pass.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: And so, Bloodbowl joins the elite club of "Better Khorne models than 40k" alongside Age of Sigmar and Necromunda
It is kinda hilarious/sad. Unfortunately I don’t think we will get new berserkers until we get plastic daemon prince angron, and as for when the next 2 big daemon primarchs get models, could be any time in the next 5 or even 10 years.
The Black Adder wrote: I'm not sure what you were expecting for a BB release other than a team... I'm sure a new edition wasn't on the cards.
His issue wasn't that there was only one BB reveal. His issue is that there was only one reveal. Period. Nothing else for any other system.
Which would be fair if we hadn't already seen the other previewed kits for other systems and we've got a list of game systems that GW have said they're going to preview more kits for at Gen Con. Togusa's statement that the BB release was "One lousy team for a game that isn't the most popular product they make" seemed overly dismissive and I'm genuinely interested what they'd hoped to see. We've got 2 more days of previews so hopefully the disappointment will pass.
It's still a really dissapointing reveal - i mean, it's barely a reveal. One kit?
According to my local GW manager, a lot of the production is slowed down by more covid precautions. It's a GW store and half the product is just not on the shelves. Even the paint rack is looking mighty sparse.
An interesting thing to note is that the Ork Codex was printed in the USA. Maybe a nod to an attempt to get paper made elsewhere than China...
I heard this too, combined with the fact I know some people that live in the UK and they were telling me they're still lockdown in their city.
Why were they telling you they’re in lockdown? There isn’t one currently anywhere here.
Or was this a conversation early in the year?
What I have heard/read is that nearly all problems related to Brexit, are officially referred as "because of Covid/Lockdowns"
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: And so, Bloodbowl joins the elite club of "Better Khorne models than 40k" alongside Age of Sigmar and Necromunda
It is kinda hilarious/sad. Unfortunately I don’t think we will get new berserkers until we get plastic daemon prince angron, and as for when the next 2 big daemon primarchs get models, could be any time in the next 5 or even 10 years.
World Eaters are on the rumour list that is increasingly being proven right, for sometime next year.
To be fair a lot of Brexit issues ARE because of covid as well. Having less staff in offices; loading and warehouse coupled with things like one-way systems and socially distanced working all mean that everything moves and works slower. At the same time a lack of going out in GW's core target market means that buying went way up so demand goes up and production goes down; then you add increased steps to import and export all made slower by the same issues.
Lockdowns can still happen, its just also used as a term to mean a block of people got a "stay at home" order because someone tested positive and the track and trace pinged them. So that could still impact GW even if they are using their staff in fully separate shifts. Not to mention time lost cleaning down work and machine stations between shifts etc...
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: And so, Bloodbowl joins the elite club of "Better Khorne models than 40k" alongside Age of Sigmar and Necromunda
You can have them right after I get some Saurus Warriors that look as good as the BB ones
They look usable (anbd very cool) in both AOS and 40k with minmal conversions? Plus if its a BB plastic team from GW - pretty cheap in comparison.
Not many poses though. That's the problem with the Saurus, yes you can convert Saurus Warriors from BB Saurus, but you only get 3 in a box making poses limited and the price high.
But if you want 40k Berzerkers that look decent, your best option is probably the Blood Warriors from AoS, just get your hands on a few bolt pistols and they'd make decent Berzerkers.
I'm still waiting on that Aeronautica Imperialis set they announced 6 months ago at the last big preview event thing of which I've forgotten the name.
I had a tip a while back that the next Aeronautica Imperialis release would be in October or November. I think there’s a gap in the release schedule next month actually.
There are 2 reasons there was nothing for Aeronautica at this preview. 1 – We have already seen what is coming next, and 2 - The release is not far away at all really.
Having said that, I think most people accept that due to a combination of various factors GW is behind this year with releases, as in they wanted to release more but it just hasn’t been possible. And having said that I really hope they do get to release it within the next 2 months without any further setbacks.
True, though I figure attendance is way down so chances are what there is is really spread out thin this year compared to normal.
you've also missing a bunch of reporters from the raft of countries the USA isn't allowing in (China, Iran, Brazil, South Africa and the majority of Europe—Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Monaco, San Marino, Vatican City, the United Kingdom, and the Republic of Ireland)
I see them as a return to an older style of Ork. Over the years the "hooligan" style has crept more and more into the 40K and Fantasy/AoS styles of ork/orruk. Orruks are rough, tough but also generally not seen as all that cunning or smart compared to other races.
Kruleboyz I see as a return to those older styles of ork which are cunning, smart and generally well organised and equipped. So it makes sense that they start to appear a little more like the smarter, darker Middle Earth orks that they were originally born from the idea of.
Overread wrote: I see them as a return to an older style of Ork. Over the years the "hooligan" style has crept more and more into the 40K and Fantasy/AoS styles of ork/orruk.
They've been that style for longer than they were ever the other style. I'd hardly say that that style "crept more and more" into the game. It's been there for most of its existence.
I personally prefer the comedic style of orcs backed up with the whimsy of the art by Paul Bonner. These Kruelboyz just seem a bit too evil for me. HOWEVER I do see why other people are loving them. They are wonderful sculpts. I must admit I am tempted by the giant vulture!
Local store owner went last night to preview. He bought the VIP ticket so he go the necron model that is available at the US open series and the nurgling plushie. Gw previewed everything that has been shown on WHC so far. He also got to see an episode of a new show coming. He was told tomorrow's preview will be different reveals.
Equinox wrote: Local store owner went last night to preview. He bought the VIP ticket so he go the necron model that is available at the US open series and the nurgling plushie. Gw previewed everything that has been shown on WHC so far. He also got to see an episode of a new show coming. He was told tomorrow's preview will be different reveals.
Thank you for the sadly disappointing clarification
hotsauceman1 wrote: So ummmm.
That was it?
The game people barely care about?
To be fair, Blood Bowl is obviously not the biggest property they produce, but for my gaming group of close to twenty people, it’s the ONLY one any of us play or care about. For us the reveals are over except for the conversion to Blood Bowl possibilities…
Aeneades wrote: They are overnight tonight for those in UK / EU
Ah thanks for the info. I think GW has a really strange way of handling these reveals.
I mean, they're revealing them based on a Yank timezone, because GenCon is an American thing. Perfectly reasonable in context, just a bit annoying for people in Europe.
Danny76 wrote: Really there is just the unknown of what Warcry will entail right?
Pretty much. If we look at some of the rumors, it's very likely that the Warhammer reveal will be the Black Templar stuff, and if GW is feeling particularly generous they might tease the Custodes v Genestealer Cult box set that was rumored.
Necromunda is likely going to follow the roadmap that was already revealed, so a new gang or upgrade pack.
Warcry is the big mystery. My personal expectation is that it'll be a starter box type reveal with stormcast vs kruleboyz, because clearly we don't have enough of that.
Not sure why the Warcry reveal would be Stormcast or Orruks considering it's almost entirely Chaos-centric with only one Warband so far not being Chaos. There's a Chaos Warband for every realm barring Azyr (for obvious reasons) and one that represents the Varanspire. There's still all 4 Gods to cover, plus the Skaven. Its content has not been dictated by any main AoS release, barring the Shadow Stalkers which was linked back to Morathi's ascension to Godhood, since it came out so I'd be surprised to see it start now.
Warcry I think is a project that changed course. It 100% started out being pretty much just chaos VS chaos. Then someone had a bright idea to make it into the AoS Killteam type game. Which is why it has rules for most armies to use their existing models and even some quick-start sets to buy for it from existing kits.
Daughter's of Khaine are one of the few non-chaos forces who has their own warcry team and I'd wager a Warcry update could be seeing multiple other armies getting new models that work both within their armies as regular infantry; and give them a diverse team for Warcry.
I would argue it's more AoS-Necromunda rather than Kill Team. There's a strong focus on narrative construction and IIRC there are missions where players can "recruit" specialists/monsters into their Warbands. The other AoS armies getting "rules" is like Chaos Cults and GSC getting "rules" in Necromunda in WD. They're there but they get the absolute minimum support with the game's focus being on Chaos Warbands. Obviously in the newer edition of Necromunda GSC and Chaos Cults (now Helot Cults) were added to the game proper and we also saw the addition of the Corpse Grinders. It might be the same for Warcry but I would be surprised and dissapointed if it was Stormcast vs Orruks.
Hmm, not sure how I feel about that. I hope they have some interesting headgear and weapons otherwise they could feel like alternate orlocks (another generic gang). Again....not much to go off of with that pic but generic outcasts is not quite what I expected. I guess people who collect chaos cultists will probably love them though. Could be good conversion fodder.
I doubt it. That's a bit too fancy for "outcasts".
Worth noting that Orlocks did get art of "drudges" wearing the GSC styled mining suits. Might potentially be a tie-in gang/visual option ala the Servitor Ogryn?
The lateness of the Blood Bowl preview yesterday could have been due to GW airing an episode of a new show coming to WH+ as mentioned earlier in this thread, along with the Underworlds and Kill Team previews we've already seen.
I like him much better than the Emperor's Champion.
Agreed. And nice that he gets weapon options. Probably an axe in place of the sword, and either a hand flamer or a combi melta to recall the old le model
They all look pretty bad tbh. I think the EC is the best of the lot and even that isn't anything great. I had been hoping the BT box would have good stuff so I could buy it and get a discount on the EC but I guess not, no way I'm buying this set.
Agreed on the Scouts looking bad. They look very stiff and they basically look like the old scout kits with monk hair cuts. Would have much preferred medieval style greathelms or something more a little more distinct.
Nevelon wrote: Looks like duplicated bodies on the crusade squad?
Think this will be the ETB starter/combat patrol, followed by a full kit? Or the sprue is 2 “scouts” 3 full brothers x2?
Doubt it will be ETB when the description is a 10 man primaris crusader squad with a ton of options. And the marshal has 2 head options and a selection of weapons.
Nevelon wrote: Looks like duplicated bodies on the crusade squad?
Think this will be the ETB starter/combat patrol, followed by a full kit? Or the sprue is 2 “scouts” 3 full brothers x2?
Doubt it will be ETB when the description is a 10 man primaris crusader squad with a ton of options. And the marshal has 2 head options and a selection of weapons.
Missed the description, caught up on the picture.
Looks like the arms are easy swaps, just trying to figure out bodies. Could still be something like the assault intercessors from indominus which had some choice, but not a full kit.
I guess we’ll learn more later, or if someone more awake then I breaks out the magnifying glass.
Hope it’s the full kit, for the sake of the fanatical BT’s out there.
For all the people asking about the old necromunda about lowly gangs fighting. And the arms look like old school conections so it is probably gonna have a good amount of bitz compatibility.
I knew when they mentioned a tease, it would be warcry.... figures the thing I was looking forward to the most will probably get the most obscure preview lol
I'm not one to complain about these previews as there's been stuff in all of them from the past 18 months that I've liked a lot but this one seems to be the worst of them imo. The Killteam, Necro, BB team and BTs are all very mediocre and the rest of it seems worse. Now just hoping for a nice GSC vs Custodes box or a release date for the HH game.
I was really hoping they would unveil the van saar upgrades along with these. The market/shanty terrain is neat. The actual outcast models though....huge meh. Kinda relieved though, saves me some money.
Gadzilla666 wrote: So, another codex temporarily locked in a Big Box, just like Orks and SoB. I really hope they don't do that to CSM and World Eaters.
Cool, Go ahead and do that for Craftworlds then. I'll take it I'll take anything new at this point.
Gadzilla666 wrote: So, another codex temporarily locked in a Big Box, just like Orks and SoB. I really hope they don't do that to CSM and World Eaters.
They won't do it for CSM but they'll definitely do it for World Eaters.
Oh, now the necromunda stuff is actually interesting.
The market just looks like its 2X one sprue (wide awning, narrow awning and display rack, but there a few bits and gubbins in the box cover that aren't shown in the sidebar pictures. Wonder how much is actually in the kit?
Curious how many head and weapon options are in the outlaw kit And how compatible they are with some of the gang weapon packs.
And shock: 12 models in the box? Maybe? Though only four distinct poses...
Hmm. There may be less variety here than I thought.
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At least it shows that Warcry is getting ongoing support and they aren't just tripling down on more SCE vs Kruleboyz (unless scutlings are getting a Kruleboyz style makeover) Probably a December release by which point it will be nearly a year since the last release.
Look at it this way, they are at least getting something in the future and that's always a plus IMHO.
DaveC wrote: At least it shows that Warcry is getting ongoing support and they aren't just tripling down on more SCE vs Kruleboyz.
You're both right, but I feel frustrated - I was hoping the ending teaser would be for whatever is next for AoS, and that we would get some real previews for warcry.
He has no inside information whatsoever, that's just the existing BT rumours from the (evidently extremely reliable) B&C source from a month or so back repackaged in video form alongside the updated release dates from WHC.
Gadzilla666 wrote: So, another codex temporarily locked in a Big Box, just like Orks and SoB. I really hope they don't do that to CSM and World Eaters.
They won't do it for CSM but they'll definitely do it for World Eaters.
Because World Eaters will be a "new army"? Yeah, probably. I'm betting that all of the LaTD stuff will be the CSM box, with the codex hopefully coming separately, along with the new Astartes stuff. I've got a sinking feeling that the Chosen will be stuck in a Killteam box with something else though.
Gadzilla666 wrote: So, another codex temporarily locked in a Big Box, just like Orks and SoB. I really hope they don't do that to CSM and World Eaters.
They won't do it for CSM but they'll definitely do it for World Eaters.
Because World Eaters will be a "new army"? Yeah, probably. I'm betting that all of the LaTD stuff will be the CSM box, with the codex hopefully coming separately, along with the new Astartes stuff. I've got a sinking feeling that the Chosen will be stuck in a Killteam box with something else though.
Yeah, pretty much. All of the launch boxes have been for new armies/major revamps of existing armies - even with the volume of kits we're apparently getting in 2022, CSM already received their major revamp in 2019.
Bet you're right on the Chosen box though, that sounds like something they'd do.
He has no inside information whatsoever, that's just the existing BT rumours from the (evidently extremely reliable) B&C source from a month or so back repackaged in video form alongside the updated release dates from WHC.
What, you think he did had a load of pre-existing audio recorded, based on the rumours, then quickly shopped all the new images, then edited the video and uploaded it in the time it's taken for the images to drop?
I'm feeling pretty underwhelmed with the BT reveal. I feel like the Primaris design makes them all look samey even with the tabards and the sculpted templar crosses/chains. Also agreed with some of the previous posters that they could done so much more for the primaris neophytes. I guess the only question will be how the primaris crusader will function differently compared to their firstborn equivalent. It sucks since I want to be more hyped, but having a Redemptor there too just reinforces how...bland they feel despite BT being my favourite SM subfaction.
That Warcry teaser amounted to, “hey you’re getting something at some point, probably spiders.” Doesn’t do much for me after nothing most of the year from the game apart from Call of the Everchosen. I would have even taken a silhouette over this.
Well color me surprised. Warcry wasn't stormcast v kruleboyz. A spider-themed chaos cult? I'll take it. Unfortunately, that's all we get, and that's likely it for Gen Con.
Was expecting them to show off more of the upcoming Black Templar stuff (Helbrect is getting a new model right?)
But otherwise everything else went pretty much as everyone expected. With how slow the releases are coming out, I'd expect the Warcry stuff, whatever it is, to be July of 2022.
He has no inside information whatsoever, that's just the existing BT rumours from the (evidently extremely reliable) B&C source from a month or so back repackaged in video form alongside the updated release dates from WHC.
What, you think he did had a load of pre-existing audio recorded, based on the rumours, then quickly shopped all the new images, then edited the video and uploaded it in the time it's taken for the images to drop?
What, you see a video where every single piece of information matches existing rumours posted on B&C a month+ ago and posted on YT at various points in the same period by Valrak, and you think that the uploader has "advanced info"? There isn't a thing in that video that doesn't exactly match what we've seen already elsewhere in the past/what is present on the WHC article.
Yes, he had it ready to go and just threw the images in. There is nothing there we have not already known for weeks. That video was posted over an hour after the WHC article dropped, which is more than enough time to do the kind of editing he does. It's not rocket science.
He has no inside information whatsoever, that's just the existing BT rumours from the (evidently extremely reliable) B&C source from a month or so back repackaged in video form alongside the updated release dates from WHC.
What, you think he did had a load of pre-existing audio recorded, based on the rumours, then quickly shopped all the new images, then edited the video and uploaded it in the time it's taken for the images to drop?
What, you see a video where every single piece of information matches existing rumours posted on B&C a month+ ago and posted on YT at various points in the same period by Valrak, and you think that the uploader has "advanced info"? There isn't a thing in that video that doesn't exactly match what we've seen already elsewhere in the past/what is present on the WHC article.
Yes, he had it ready to go and just threw the images in. There is nothing there we have not already known for weeks. That video was posted over an hour after the WHC article dropped, which is more than enough time to do the kind of editing he does. It's not rocket science.
Gadzilla666 wrote: So, another codex temporarily locked in a Big Box, just like Orks and SoB. I really hope they don't do that to CSM and World Eaters.
Well everyone on Dakka forum's was complaining that GW didn't release things soon enough for each edition... they release a codex early in a special edition box and now you complain that they release things sooner? Why don't you Dakka forum trolls make up your mind? You want things released sooner or later? Its like no matter what GW does your gonna complain. And frankly, im tired of it. Why don't you go complain somewhere else while you play your Hello Kitty Island Adventure game on your computer and let us Black Templar players appreciate what GW has done for us.
Gadzilla666 wrote: So, another codex temporarily locked in a Big Box, just like Orks and SoB. I really hope they don't do that to CSM and World Eaters.
Well everyone on Dakka forum's was complaining that GW didn't release things soon enough for each edition... they release a codex early in a special edition box and now you complain that they release things sooner? Why don't you Dakka forum trolls make up your mind? You want things released sooner or later? Its like no matter what GW does your gonna complain. And frankly, im tired of it. Why don't you go complain somewhere else while you play your Hello Kitty Island Adventure game on your computer and let us Black Templar players appreciate what GW has done for us.
THE BOX SET IS AMAZING! FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
OK, one, it isn't 'everyone,' different people have different opinions.
Second, the boxed sets aren't giving anything 'early.' The alternative isn't 'sooner' or 'later.' Its just the initial release has some FOMO attached to boost sales, like it was a PS5 planned scarcity release.
Third, the boxed set is... eh. Its a one click bundle. Fairly standard primaris. Slightly larger, but standard ugly scouts, a so-so champion, an ugly marshal and an overproduced Dread. Nothing to write home about.
Gadzilla666 wrote: So, another codex temporarily locked in a Big Box, just like Orks and SoB. I really hope they don't do that to CSM and World Eaters.
Well everyone on Dakka forum's was complaining that GW didn't release things soon enough for each edition... they release a codex early in a special edition box and now you complain that they release things sooner? Why don't you Dakka forum trolls make up your mind? You want things released sooner or later? Its like no matter what GW does your gonna complain. And frankly, im tired of it. Why don't you go complain somewhere else while you play your Hello Kitty Island Adventure game on your computer and let us Black Templar players appreciate what GW has done for us.
THE BOX SET IS AMAZING! FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
OK, one, it isn't 'everyone,' different people have different opinions.
Second, the boxed sets aren't giving anything 'early.' The alternative isn't 'sooner' or 'later.' Its just the initial release has some FOMO attached to boost sales, like it was a PS5 planned scarcity release.
Third, the boxed set is... eh. Its a one click bundle. Fairly standard primaris. Slightly larger, but standard ugly scouts, a so-so champion, an ugly marshal and an overproduced Dread. Nothing to write home about.
This special edition limited box set is an early limited art release of the new BT codex. So it is considered an early release for the codex. The regular BT Codex will be released at a later date. So it looks like a Dakka forum member ( surprise! heavy sarcasm here! ) is complaining about a release that is happening SOONER, rather than LATER ( the later part being the regular edition of the Black Templar Codex ). Hope this clears things up for you and the other Dakka forum members who LOVE to complain ; )
My point is, Dakka forum members complained about late releases for 40K 9th Edition, and now that GW releases early codex's in limited box sets, surprise surprise, they complain! So what does this tell us? Well, it tells us that no matter what happens, people on Dakka will complain about 40k releases no matter what GW does! Isnt that funny? I think its hilarious!
Gadzilla666 wrote: So, another codex temporarily locked in a Big Box, just like Orks and SoB. I really hope they don't do that to CSM and World Eaters.
Well everyone on Dakka forum's was complaining that GW didn't release things soon enough for each edition... they release a codex early in a special edition box and now you complain that they release things sooner? Why don't you Dakka forum trolls make up your mind? You want things released sooner or later? Its like no matter what GW does your gonna complain. And frankly, im tired of it. Why don't you go complain somewhere else while you play your Hello Kitty Island Adventure game on your computer and let us Black Templar players appreciate what GW has done for us.
THE BOX SET IS AMAZING! FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
Uhhh....sticking the codex in the box just means that anyone who plays BT but isn't getting the box has to wait. Most codexes release separately at the same time as whatever new models that the faction is getting. So people who want the codex but not the models can get it without waiting.
But agreed, those models have potential. Can't wait for those bare heads and arms to hit the bits market. They'll look great hanging from chains on my tanks and dreadnoughts.......
I do wish they'd do the whole launch box thing alongside the main release, but it's easy to see why they do it. Those things fly off the shelves. GW gonna GW.
Warcry Ok, so, a teaser for a teaser. Wouldn't be a GW reveal without them revealing nothing at all. Sorry Warcry players, but this time you drew the "not actually a preview" short-straw. Given that these minis are designed months ago, and Warcry was listed among the things that would be getting reveals, you really do have to wonder why they go to such trouble to show us nothing at all.
Black Templars The Black Templars... hmm... not as hype as I thought I'd be. I've had a soft spot for "Crusading Marines" for quite a while, but these models really don't do it for me. The previously seen Emp's Chump is not as good as the current one, the regular Marines are far more subdued than I thought, and the Primaris Neophytes are just biggerised Scouts (but what was I expecting...). And they put an existing model in the box. That's really lame. The worst part is they're going to charge Sisters/Beastsnagga box prices for what amounts to 12 Marines and a Dread.
I like the Marshall. I especially like how they tell us that he has options, but don't show any of them. Good stuff.
Newcromunda The terrain is probably the most reactionary release I have ever seen from GW. It's like they saw the oodles of people out there turning Munitorum Containers and other random bits and bobs into Gun Stores and Rat-Meat stalls and all manner of other things and went "Wait... we should do that!". I noticed the Mung Vase immediately during the trailer, so that's a nice touch.
Overall I think they look very good - and you can be damned sure I'll end up getting two sets because it's me and it's terrain - but I can't shake the feeling that this is going to be a very Goblin Town style release, that is to say a whole lot'a money for not much plastic.
But the dregs, or 'Underhive Outcasts' as they're calling them? They're fantastic! It's another very limited kit (three sprues of 4 models, with 5 or maybe 6 heads, small selection of basic weaponry), but... it's generic Necromunda humans. They're a 40kRPG player's dream!!! And I like the weapon selection - regular shotguns, lasguns and autoguns. Laspistols, autopistols, basic HTH weapons. The aesthetic is a good mix that feels natural to Necromunda without skewing towards any gang. I don't really understand if you would do a gang like this, but I still think they're very nice.
And another book to go with them. Ok. I guess we should be happy it's not Goliaths 5.0.
MajorWesJanson wrote: How did the scavvers get their hands on a Naquidah Generator? Did they mug a SG team?
Dread Master wrote: That Warcry teaser amounted to, “hey you’re getting something at some point, probably spiders.” Doesn’t do much for me after nothing most of the year from the game apart from Call of the Everchosen. I would have even taken a silhouette over this.
And this is precisely why people get frustrated with GW “previews.” They list Warcry as getting a preview, and then when the Warcry preview comes along they say “New Warcry coming soon.” Which would have been just as exciting had it been listed at the end of the monthly Warcry WarCom article. Had they not said they had a Warcry preview and slipped in the little trailer at the end of the show people who have simple thought “Oh, that’s nice, something is coming for Warcry eventually.”
When people are expecting an actual preview and get a virtually information less teaser instead……well, it’s a bit beyond disappointing.
On a positive note, GW showed literally nothing I have remotely any interest in giving them my money for at Gen Con, so that’s more money in the bank.
BT looks real cool, yet the box is pretty much a glorified Combat Patrol.
Necromunda stuff is great, but I bet you can do your own with popsicle sticks and cloth with more versatile results.
Warcry was the letdown...
Gadzilla666 wrote: So, another codex temporarily locked in a Big Box, just like Orks and SoB. I really hope they don't do that to CSM and World Eaters.
Marshal Loss wrote: I do wish they'd do the whole launch box thing alongside the main release, but it's easy to see why they do it. Those things fly off the shelves. GW gonna GW.
Pretty disappointing in my opinion. I like the Black Templars stuff but it’s predictably just the army box. I think the Necromunda gang is boring, personally, and the fact that there’s only 4 different bodies in the 12 person box is really obvious. And literally just a teaser trailer for Warcry. The market terrain is probably the best part and I’m not a terrain guy.
ImAGeek wrote: I think the Necromunda gang is boring, personally, and the fact that there’s only 4 different bodies in the 12 person box is really obvious.
The real quastion is, since it's 3 sprues to the normal 2, will it cost 50% more than gang boxes.
...HH wasn't on the list of games getting previewed, so I'm not sure why you thought it might get something?
The BT box bugs me a bit - compared to the SoB box, or even the Ork one, it seems like you're stretching the definition of "army" to call that an "army box". 2 HQ, 1 Elites, 1 Troops (possibly two, depending on how the Primaris Crusader Squad entry ends up operating, but presented as one for now)... it's a fair chunk of points, given the EmpChamp, Marshall and Redemptor, but even so.
He has no inside information whatsoever, that's just the existing BT rumours from the (evidently extremely reliable) B&C source from a month or so back repackaged in video form alongside the updated release dates from WHC.
What, you think he did had a load of pre-existing audio recorded, based on the rumours, then quickly shopped all the new images, then edited the video and uploaded it in the time it's taken for the images to drop?
What, you see a video where every single piece of information matches existing rumours posted on B&C a month+ ago and posted on YT at various points in the same period by Valrak, and you think that the uploader has "advanced info"? There isn't a thing in that video that doesn't exactly match what we've seen already elsewhere in the past/what is present on the WHC article.
Yes, he had it ready to go and just threw the images in. There is nothing there we have not already known for weeks. That video was posted over an hour after the WHC article dropped, which is more than enough time to do the kind of editing he does. It's not rocket science.
lol calm down
Editing the video, compressing it ready to upload, and uploading it, including the new information he states verbally in the video (talking about the new marshall having options and it's specific weapon load out in the released pics) and youtube processing it all within an hour?
I think it's plausible it was some element of prior knowledge - not necessarily official, and also remember that was about 2am/3am in the UK the articles and video's dropped, he may have stayed up all night waiting and refreshing but I don't think so, why would you when it could be any time of day on the Sunday it is released?
ImAGeek wrote: Pretty disappointing in my opinion. I like the Black Templars stuff but it’s predictably just the army box. I think the Necromunda gang is boring, personally, and the fact that there’s only 4 different bodies in the 12 person box is really obvious. And literally just a teaser trailer for Warcry. The market terrain is probably the best part and I’m not a terrain guy.
I think the gang is *supposed* to be boring, so at least from that angle, they got it spot on. The appeal in the long-term will be for people that want to convert different Genestealer Cultists, Servitors, or Chaos Cultists, or Necromunda fans that like... regular dudes I guess.
The Black Templar box is super underwhelming to me. It's clear they fluffed it out with the Redemptor dreadnought, which makes me wonder if this box set scheme is even worthwhile. Like, just release the freakin' kits.
I was looking at the OP and I saw the Krieg/Kommando set. Did....did they really "announce" a product that has literally been on store shelves for almost a month?
Seems like a bit of a mixed bag really. Honestly I think the Black Templars look sufficient? I guess. I'm hoping it's one of those things that happens with a lot of new releases where as soon as you see it from another angle they look a lot better.
I like the dreg gang a whole lot. That's something for every converter do enjoy.
Missed an opportunity IMO to add more weapon options for the redemptor in the form of an upgrade sprue in the BT box. It would be nice just for model variety if nothing else to have some form of melta cannon, las, and old school left arm missile launcher.
Not a huge deal tbh but would have been nice.
I like the marshall and the sword brethren is in a much more emperors champion pose than the EC model itself.
The scouts are a bit meh tbh, nice models but basically bigger scouts.
Old scouts look more deformed and unnatural, having far too much muscle, mass and a weighted down stature because of it (which fits a space marine aesthetic), the new scouts look athletic, and a bit too lightweight for me, though they do look like they would actually fit in power armour now though.
...HH wasn't on the list of games getting previewed, so I'm not sure why you thought it might get something?
The BT box bugs me a bit - compared to the SoB box, or even the Ork one, it seems like you're stretching the definition of "army" to call that an "army box". 2 HQ, 1 Elites, 1 Troops (possibly two, depending on how the Primaris Crusader Squad entry ends up operating, but presented as one for now)... it's a fair chunk of points, given the EmpChamp, Marshall and Redemptor, but even so.
Orks had 4 units, 1 which can be built as 2x10 or 1x20. Not that different.
You expecting to get same # of models as army that is supposed to win by numbers?
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Togusa wrote: I was looking at the OP and I saw the Krieg/Kommando set. Did....did they really "announce" a product that has literally been on store shelves for almost a month?
He has no inside information whatsoever, that's just the existing BT rumours from the (evidently extremely reliable) B&C source from a month or so back repackaged in video form alongside the updated release dates from WHC.
What, you think he did had a load of pre-existing audio recorded, based on the rumours, then quickly shopped all the new images, then edited the video and uploaded it in the time it's taken for the images to drop?
(Some) content creators receive promo material a few hours in advance, in order to be able to record videos and publish articles.
It's basically free advertisement for Geedubs.
Togusa wrote: I was looking at the OP and I saw the Krieg/Kommando set. Did....did they really "announce" a product that has literally been on store shelves for almost a month?
Different kit. That one had more terrain and the full core book, this one has less terrain and a cut down version of the core book, I assume it’ll be cheaper and appeal more to new players.
Maybe this one will be less limited.
I just wanna see a release date for the individual DKoK kit.
I am thinking more and more that we aren’t going to get a full DKoK release though, since they’ve decided to box these with Kill Team branding rather than regular 40k branding.
This new Marshal looks awesome. I like the Initiates/Neophytes too. I wonder if Grimaldus and Helbrecht will be primarisized or die in glory to be replaced by some new Primaris characters.
The BT look great, although I will be passing on the launch box and waiting for the full release. Given the lack of heavy weapons in the current Intercessor and Assault Intercessor squads I'm curious to see how or if the Crusader squad not just a +1 version of them.
The Necromunda stuff is interesting. Getting a generic gang does feel a bit strange though. Especially after all the wackiness of the houses and there expansions. The terrain is nice and multipurpose. I can see it being used to dress up tables way beyond the underhive.
The Warcry tease is intriguing but tells us nothing beyond more stuff is coming.
The Necromunda stuff is interesting. Getting a generic gang does feel a bit strange though. Especially after all the wackiness of the houses and there expansions. The terrain is nice and multipurpose. I can see it being used to dress up tables way beyond the underhive.
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I think the new gang will be used as a flexible base to support and introduce elements of other minor gangs without having to branch out and make whole new gangs. Ratskins mercenaries, mutants, a spyrer hiring them to be his hunting guides/cannon fodder, Scavvies even.
Well I am interested in Underhive Market kit. Could be easy way to add some character to terrain.
But I am actually wondering how BT Crusader squads are being set up. Are we going to see multiple smaller kits (1 for Neophytes, 1 for Sword Brethen etc.) or one kit that is split between Neophytes, Initiates and maybe optional sword brethen.
Shadow Walker wrote: This new Marshal looks awesome. I like the Initiates/Neophytes too. I wonder if Grimaldus and Helbrecht will be primarisized or die in glory to be replaced by some new Primaris characters.
They're both getting Primaris releases, and it appears that one or both of them will be diorama minis ala The Triumph of Saint Katherine or Katakros, Mortarch of the Necropolis.
Gadzilla666 wrote: So, another codex temporarily locked in a Big Box, just like Orks and SoB. I really hope they don't do that to CSM and World Eaters.
Well everyone on Dakka forum's was complaining that GW didn't release things soon enough for each edition... they release a codex early in a special edition box and now you complain that they release things sooner? Why don't you Dakka forum trolls make up your mind? You want things released sooner or later? Its like no matter what GW does your gonna complain. And frankly, im tired of it. Why don't you go complain somewhere else while you play your Hello Kitty Island Adventure game on your computer and let us Black Templar players appreciate what GW has done for us.
THE BOX SET IS AMAZING! FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
I think we have different meanings to amazing. The set looks bland and meh and probably crazy expensive, for the emperor. As well these early box sets holding a codex hostage is a terrible practice and I despise it to the core. It screams fomo my face off, and get swindled because " Early..reeeeeee ".
Shadow Walker wrote: This new Marshal looks awesome. I like the Initiates/Neophytes too. I wonder if Grimaldus and Helbrecht will be primarisized or die in glory to be replaced by some new Primaris characters.
They're both getting Primaris releases, and it appears that one or both of them will be diorama minis ala The Triumph of Saint Katherine or Katakros, Mortarch of the Necropolis.
Could you plese give me the source of this info? I am not a big fan of dioramas in non rank&file games but I must say that both mentioned look cool.
The Neophytes look great to me, how can you guys compare them to the old mishappen blockface scouts? Those are some of the worst GW models still in production?
Anyway, I’m not a huge fan of the new launch box trend. I mean I love my Orks but I’m not interested in Beastsnaggas so I had no interest in the Ork launch box. But sure it would have been nice to get the codex ”early”, but then on the other hand, waiting 2 more weeks for the proper release is not a catastrophy either.
The BT launch box is more interesting to me though, then I’m set for the rest of the year and most of the next. Bring on Eldar and Chaos, so I don’t need to buy anything else for a while.
Shadow Walker wrote: This new Marshal looks awesome. I like the Initiates/Neophytes too. I wonder if Grimaldus and Helbrecht will be primarisized or die in glory to be replaced by some new Primaris characters.
They're both getting Primaris releases, and it appears that one or both of them will be diorama minis ala The Triumph of Saint Katherine or Katakros, Mortarch of the Necropolis.
Could you plese give me the source of this info? I am not a big fan of dioramas in non rank&file games but I must say that both mentioned look cool.
Oguhmek wrote: The Neophytes look great to me, how can you guys compare them to the old mishappen blockface scouts? Those are some of the worst GW models still in production?
Old scouts may be chunky and ugly, but so are most GW models from that era. The poses at least look sort of purposeful and engaged in warfare, I'm not sure what those two neophytes are doing, prancing? hopscotch? They look stiff and unnatural.
That the new eldar are coming is probably the most exciting angle. It is a bit of a downer to think on a possibility that the initial wave is going to be handled like LRL and BT limited box... I just want new Warp Spiders and Swooping hawks. r_r
Oguhmek wrote: The Neophytes look great to me, how can you guys compare them to the old mishappen blockface scouts? Those are some of the worst GW models still in production?
Old scouts may be chunky and ugly, but so are most GW models from that era. The poses at least look sort of purposeful and engaged in warfare, I'm not sure what those two neophytes are doing, prancing? hopscotch? They look stiff and unnatural.
Two of them seem based on one of the worst metal scouts, this one (third one along, both top and bottom, and there was a third with BP/CCW)
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but the somehow look way worse in this new incarnation, like, someone tried to copy that already not so great pose but failed.
i like the black templer box even if i dont play them, marchal looks fine same for the emperors champion and primaris are primaris, but i dont like the naked arms on the scouts, cant the army spend some money to give those boys some armour for there arms. even the old scouts had some cloth, or i painted mine wrong
...HH wasn't on the list of games getting previewed, so I'm not sure why you thought it might get something?
The BT box bugs me a bit - compared to the SoB box, or even the Ork one, it seems like you're stretching the definition of "army" to call that an "army box". 2 HQ, 1 Elites, 1 Troops (possibly two, depending on how the Primaris Crusader Squad entry ends up operating, but presented as one for now)... it's a fair chunk of points, given the EmpChamp, Marshall and Redemptor, but even so.
Orks had 4 units, 1 which can be built as 2x10 or 1x20. Not that different.
You expecting to get same # of models as army that is supposed to win by numbers?
I think it's the Redemptor that's bugging me, more than anything - takes up a hefty chunk of the value of the set without really shouting "Black Templars".
Switch it out for whatever the unrevealed new unit is - Hellfurries? - and the box is more interesting. Heck, switch the Dread out for a second Crusader Squad and you have something that is more suited to the concept of an "army box".
Outside of certain factions - Knights of either flavour, Custodes - or certain formations (Deathwing, Ravenwing), 13 models shouldn't be called an army. That's it.
As I stated earlier, the redemptor needed an upgrade sprue itself really to make it worth including in the box. A chapter specific icon sprue (large chain for the weapons?) and potentially additional/alternate weapon options.
However, an additional crusade squad or a full squad of sword brethren for the redemptor would be much more fitting.
There'll also be a conversion/bitz/upgrade sprue that will have Templar relics on it (so-and-so's helmet, the sword of such-and-such, etc.), shotguns for Neophytes. and more customisation options like extra arms (Neophyte holding a helmet), or backpack-mounted candles. There will also be a multi-melta which will become a BT vehicle option. It'll replace the stubber on Primaris vehicles.
Would have been nice to see it in the box, although it may well not have anything applicable for the Redemptor. I hope there are some decent bits for vehicles on there other than the melta.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: As I stated earlier, the redemptor needed an upgrade sprue itself really to make it worth including in the box. A chapter specific icon sprue (large chain for the weapons?) and potentially additional/alternate weapon options.
I'm surprised by the lack of an upgrade sprue too, it indicates that this BT release is minimal in terms of new models; with just one squad and a few characters.
I think the inclusion of the dread is another instance of GW trying to discourage breaking up the box on ebay. An extra crusader squad in there instead would be in more demand than a four-year-old model that's been in multiple discounted sets already.
When you can buy a redemptor and inceptors in the DA combat patrol box, and importantly at 20% discount via third parties, with the added bonus of the chaplain, 5x intercessors and DA upgrade sprues that you can sell on to further reduce your investment for redemptors and plasma inceptors (2x units most primaris collectors want, and possibly more than one of each)... It just makes little sense to purchase a redemptor individually unless you are limited in funds so are priced out of the combat patrol.
So yeah, I bet redemptors actually sell quite well and many want them, but not as an individual item when there are more economical ways to purchase them.
The BT look great, and looking at the close ups, I'm pretty sure these are full kits, so there will be some options. I mainly want the crusaders/scouts for kitbashing though, so I probably won't be getting the launch box and wait for the full release instead. Also mildly annoying that there are only four scouts, but I need five to use them with non-BT! I hope we get updated vanilla Primaris scouts in the same style soon.
Also the Necromunsda stuff looks great. Market is cool way to add some realistic detail on your battlefields, and outcasts look nice. And of course this seems like a gang that is perfect for kitbashing all from all sorts of kits, and that's my favourite thing! I wonder if these are an update on, Venators, or whether they're a separate thing? I played Venators in one Necro campaign, and it was pretty apparent that the rules were not fully in line with the newer design paradinm.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: As I stated earlier, the redemptor needed an upgrade sprue itself really to make it worth including in the box. A chapter specific icon sprue (large chain for the weapons?) and potentially additional/alternate weapon options.
I'm surprised by the lack of an upgrade sprue too, it indicates that this BT release is minimal in terms of new models; with just one squad and a few characters.
endlesswaltz123 wrote: As I stated earlier, the redemptor needed an upgrade sprue itself really to make it worth including in the box. A chapter specific icon sprue (large chain for the weapons?) and potentially additional/alternate weapon options.
I'm surprised by the lack of an upgrade sprue too, it indicates that this BT release is minimal in terms of new models; with just one squad and a few characters.
Lol. Check the rumours mate.
I think "rumours" are no longer applicable, it's pretty much a confirmed leak.
I really like the necromunda models. They'll make great additions to my genestealer cults using a few bits from my box. They're probably the only set I'm looking to pick up from the previewed kits.
I'll have to see some unpainted neophytes before I can say if I like them. I agree with everybody who thinks they do look a little static for specifically black templar models. I'd expect more momentum in the pose for zealots. The worst thing though is the muscles, which seems awful. Hopefully it's the way they've painted them and they look better than I initially think. At the moment I'm not hopeful for any primaris scale scouts.
The warcry teaser is simply disappointing. I'm not desperate for more warcry models but saying there's going to be a preview and then not even giving us a glimpse of any models is misleading.
I think it's 3 Initiates, 2 Neophytes per set of sprues, not 2 & 2. I think flamer guy and the bp/ccw guy in from of him are based on the same legs, but the angles make it harder to confirm that - I can see the duplicate legs across the other 8 models in the unit, though.
Ah, right, the sword brother has the same body than the fifth marine, it has just a a ton of extra bits on top. different chest, even different shin plate. These are definitely not easybuild models.
But yeah, three full marines, two scouts per sprue.
There's four exactly doubled poses and two that look very similar but are slightly diffrent, might be due to the torso being in two pieces, back and front, and the front one having two diffrent versions, one to build a veteran Sword Brethren and one to make a Initiate.
Lord Damocles wrote: Sword Brother and helmeted bolter Marine have different greaves and tabbards.
Unless the legs are attached to the chest piece; which would be so annoying as to be likely...
Was there literally a single Primaris Marine without legs attached to the chest piece?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, I wonder if there'll be enough to equip the whole squad with either load-out, aka boltpistol + chainsword or bolters.
Lord Damocles wrote: Sword Brother and helmeted bolter Marine have different greaves and tabbards.
Unless the legs are attached to the chest piece; which would be so annoying as to be likely...
Was there literally a single Primaris Marine without legs attached to the chest piece?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, I wonder if there'll be enough to equip the whole squad with either load-out, aka boltpistol + chainsword or bolters.
In many primaris kits there is alternate greave front plates for the legs so it can still be the same pose with different greaves.
Lord Damocles wrote: Sword Brother and helmeted bolter Marine have different greaves and tabbards.
Unless the legs are attached to the chest piece; which would be so annoying as to be likely...
Was there literally a single Primaris Marine without legs attached to the chest piece?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, I wonder if there'll be enough to equip the whole squad with either load-out, aka boltpistol + chainsword or bolters.
It might be something like the aggressor kit, where the front half of one of the torsos has 2 options, one for the sarge, one for a trooper. With the way the intercessors greaves go on separately in that kit, they could have a spare one for the sarge as well. So most of the body is the same, but extra sarge parts are included.
Coin flip on the gear options. If it’s a duplicated sprue, I suspect there will be enough for all bodies to have either option, for pure squads. Although who knows these days.
Knight wrote: That the new eldar are coming is probably the most exciting angle. It is a bit of a downer to think on a possibility that the initial wave is going to be handled like LRL and BT limited box... I just want new Warp Spiders and Swooping hawks. r_r
Pretty sure that the rumormonger, when expanding in there, did call out Warp Spiders as being part of the initial wave...alongside of their Phoenix Lord.
Yeah it's the same sprue duplicated. There's just more pieces to the Sword Brother.
I mean, there are only three models in this kit, but the options, such as they are, allow for 2 builds each.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Also, I wonder if there'll be enough to equip the whole squad with either load-out, aka boltpistol + chainsword or bolters.
You should be able to make a duplicate of any model there - so two flamer guys, or two identical Sword Brethren. I doubt there will be any options beyond exactly what we see there, as this won't be the actual kit.
What seems to be an alternate version of the Sword Brother has been spotted near the end of the reveal video on Warhammer's official channel. Either that, or they accidentally put one of the Sword Brethren from the Sword Brethren kit there, instead of the one from the Initiates kit.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: What seems to be an alternate version of the Sword Brother has been spotted near the end of the reveal video on Warhammer's official channel. Either that, or they accidentally put one of the Sword Brethren from the Sword Brethren kit there, instead of the one from the Initiates kit.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD BOWL!!!!!!!! 
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