Nevelon wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/mijwqkw4/chaos-knights-revealed-darkflame-and-a-deadly-drill-make-the-knight-ruinator-a-hellacious-headhunter/

Flamer and missile pods from recent pics. Was there a seige drill we were also looking for?

Edit: yes, and looks like a match.

I don't think it looks like a match at all... it looks more like a drill to me.

(Sorry, couldn't help myself)

Besides the foot Rumor have we figured them all out yet?

Something 40K Maureens

Looks like a bit off the old metal Kasrkin Backpack.

definitely a vox for some faction. seems imperium, but maybe it's tied to the votann-looking foot from last week?

Auspex array or remote control for some remote platform. Plastic thunderfire cannon?

Plastic Rapiers

Fairly confident that's Votann. Same style as the pioneer kit.

I'm pretty certain it's not Necromunda. When was the last time we saw a radioman in the underhive?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I'm pretty certain it's not Necromunda. When was the last time we saw a radioman in the underhive?

(Don't mind me; I'm just trolling )

 KidCthulhu wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I'm pretty certain it's not Necromunda. When was the last time we saw a radioman in the underhive?

(Don't mind me; I'm just trolling )

Errr... uh... that's not a radio... that's his pedometer. He's just tracking his steps for the day.

To be honest, I have never seen that model before. Good catch.

 Olthannon wrote:
Fairly confident that's Votann. Same style as the pioneer kit.

What part of it do you think match the pioneer specifically? It all looks very different to me, even just the big parts like the Antenna aren't overly similar.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
Fairly confident that's Votann. Same style as the pioneer kit.

What part of it do you think match the pioneer specifically? It all looks very different to me, even just the big parts like the Antenna aren't overly similar.

Specifically that little antennae on the back of the Pioneer. Not as exact as I remember it but the design language is similar enough to me. Those 3 little indents on the rumour engine pic I'm sure are on another Votann kit but I can't think what for the life of me..

A Number Nine Gubbins, I trust you’ll agree.

Marble snake tongue?

Daughters of Khaine immediately springs to mind.

a tongue makes sense... i have no idea what it could be beyond that. i'm sure it'll be blindingly obvious once it gets revealed, tho

Yet another Vampire character with an oversized snake maybe?

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
a tongue makes sense... i have no idea what it could be beyond that. i'm sure it'll be blindingly obvious once it gets revealed, tho

It looks painted as marble.So could be a new cauldron of blood, only with a Morathi/snake statue and has the old Khaine statue gets the boot.

It's a feth off long snake tongue if it is that.

I'm going wild and saying it's a magical lightningy magicy icey effect from a Kislev Ice Mage.

Really big tuning fork?

Cow Tool, obviously. So new Minotaur of some sort.

Someone picked up the fork in the road?

Considering the new idoneth in the war com article, it could be a tail for one of creepy deep sea fish on the new guys base.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Someone picked up the fork in the road?

When you get to the fork in the road, take it. - Yogi Berra

And when the guy is down, you kick him innafork

It’s a tech shield.

Could be Secutarii Hoplites?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Could be Secutarii Hoplites?

Would be awesome if it was!
Was hoping the recent Heresy preview Ad-Mech snippets would include plastic Secutarii of some type.

It has nothing in common with Secutarii shields tho (plus RE doesn't tend to show HH models)

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


It’s a tech shield.

Could be Secutarii Hoplites?

That would be my guess too. Or something similar.

More a kite shield than the normal stormshield shape - maybe something for Black Templars?

my guess are marines of some kind

Power do-dads are clear, but what up with those blocks at the edges?

Some sorta power shield type dealie. Not really like the bladeguard shields or the assault terminator shields.

The kite shape makes me suddenly worried that it's Phalanx Warders. If Fists get the first plastic Legion unit we riot.

I've have guessed votan again, as it kind of feels like a heavier Van Sar STC design.

Underside of a Votann power board.

 The Power Cosmic wrote:
Underside of a Votann power board.

I could see that. My first read on the blocks around the edges were some sort of pad. Could be for when you need to ground the hoverboard.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Spoiler:

It’s a tech shield.

Could be Secutarii Hoplites?

Maybe, but I can count on one hand how many times I saw them at AdeptiCon HH events since the resin kits released. Seems like a silly unlikely place to start for HH Adeptus Mechanicum, but maybe they're baller in the new edition.

Maybe it's a shield for a new Custode or Sister of Silence?

On one hand 40K crusaders use shields not TOO different from that. And the most common pose for crusader minis is their shields stuck in the ground with their hands on the top which would permit the rumour engine shot showing the middle back of a shield without an arm in it.

On the other hand, if it's the backside of a shield the part where there should be a handhold doesn't seem to have a handhold. So maybe some kind of defensive terrain piece?

I doubt the shield is anything to do with Black Templars, they already have a plentiful supply of modern models and probably the most desired shield unit for them would be assault terminators, who likely would get the traditional crux terminatus shield shape.

However, Kaldor Draigo has the most kite shield shaped shield out of the marine models likely to get updated and in a not too distant codex.

Hmmm



Ribs?

That's a fork stabbing something meaty. Mawtribes perhaps?

Look to flat/blunt to be some sort of claw weapon.

If it is a ribcage, it’s for something big.

Gideon, I thought the same thing. Could a plastic butcher finally be on the horizon?

Wolverine stabbing Play-Doh.


Hoping it's a plastic Butcher though.

Pitchfork (which means the blobby part might be GW's first official sculpt of dung)

 Insularum wrote:
I doubt the shield is anything to do with Black Templars, they already have a plentiful supply of modern models and probably the most desired shield unit for them would be assault terminators, who likely would get the traditional crux terminatus shield shape.

Actually old FW shields for BT assault terminators were kinda kite shaped, so it depends on how nostalgic the designer feels:

lost_lilliputian wrote:
Wolverine stabbing Play-Doh.

Snikt, bub, he's the best at what he does! Mutant warband for Necromunda confirmed.

i think it's ribs; moreover, i think this is some kind of basing bit. tactical bone

could be for a butcher. would make for a fun model

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
i think it's ribs; moreover, i think this is some kind of basing bit. tactical bone

could be for a butcher. would make for a fun model

I think you might be right. They recently released skulls/dead bodies and other basing materials for 40k, why not AoS/ToW?

The bottommost of the three spikey bits seemed to have carved a rut in the blobby bit, so I'd say it's more claw than rib.

To me the "tines" look too uniform and squared-off to be ribs.

It also looks like the tip of the bottom tine has cut a groove into the "muck" part of the teaser. It almost looks like the top tine has too (although that one would be an interrupted groove).

Whatever it is, these are my favourite kinds of Rumour Engine pics, compared to the ones that are clearly, like, a weapon, device, tech nozzle, smoke curl, etc. and you're just left to wonder what it's attached to.

Could it be gimmicky metal claws on the feet of a raven guard kind of guy?
Imagine them slightly bend to give a push-jump effect for the wearer.
Shrike have some claws attached on his boots, but not at all similar.

I think the legs on the creepy stilt guy from the Unmade is more what Im thinking of.

Raven Guard biker doing the “lean over and damage my weapon for style points” bit…

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Raven Guard biker doing the “lean over and damage my weapon for style points” bit…

Oh, the X-Men Origins: Wolverine bike turn?

 The Power Cosmic wrote:

lost_lilliputian wrote:
Wolverine stabbing Play-Doh.

Snikt, bub, he's the best at what he does! Mutant warband for Necromunda confirmed.

Underworlds already got him.




My guess is that they are metal, and some sort of dark mechanicus take on a flayed one.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 The Power Cosmic wrote:

lost_lilliputian wrote:
Wolverine stabbing Play-Doh.

Snikt, bub, he's the best at what he does! Mutant warband for Necromunda confirmed.

Underworlds already got him.

Hey, if marvel can have multiple wolverines, GW can too!

10th of June

Squishy looking stuff seems to relate to last weeks?

Metal work makes me think more AoS than 40K.

First plastic Turnip28 kit!

gonna say this is another tactical rock. maybe a big one, but it feels like this is a part of some flashy model

It's the base to the most important model that's missing from the HH30k line: Legion Lieutenant!

Getting exploded rubble vibes. Like from the warp spider PL and others.

Its a mess.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hmmm



Ribs?

Tallarn Desert raiders combing the Desert....Still ain't found

Immediate thought is Votann Power Maul.

But I’m sure we’ve seen that design somewhere before, I just can’t place it right now.

something Votann was my first thought, too. maybe we finally get wave 2 with the codex later in the year

Tetsubo. Power tetsubo.

Grzzldgamer wrote:
Tetsubo.

I thought the same thing. There's a cable attached, so it's likely some manner of power weapon. Didsn't Necromunda have a few vaguely Japanese inspired models released a whiloe back? Maybe there's a Ty Onmyodo bodyguard in the works?

The Chaos Ogryn from Blackstone Fortress (and now Kill Team) has a similar design on one surface of its weapon (the other surfaces are spikier).

The Ravenwing sprue also has a tetsubo-like maul on it, although it's quite different from this.

edit: Ogryn pic (https://www.warhammer.com/app/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120102213_KTBlooded3.jpg?fm=webp&w=920&h=948)

 Altruizine wrote:
The Chaos Ogryn from Blackstone Fortress (and now Kill Team) has a similar design on one surface of its weapon (the other surfaces are spikier).

The Ravenwing sprue also has a tetsubo-like maul on it, although it's quite different from this.

edit: Ogryn pic (https://www.warhammer.com/app/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120102213_KTBlooded3.jpg?fm=webp&w=920&h=948)

Sure enough.

ravenwing command squad

Neither are matches, though I see where you’re both coming from.

I wish I could put my finger on what it’s reminding me of.

A stab, aha, in the dark?

Catachan. I think the scabbard stitching may in fact be teeth?

catachan or Space Wolf scouts I'd say..

Catachan Devils Kill team to make a melee guard unit.

Kroot?

There were a couple of "new" Catachans that came out as event exclusives, no? Did either of them feature a sheathe?

I’ll check mine in the morning.

Handbag.

Necromunda enforcers have both satchels and flashbangs like that.

 Shadox wrote:
Necromunda enforcers have both satchels and flashbangs like that.

Indeed. Feels like it's rare that Necromunda gets the Rumour Engine treatment but this matches and the Enforcers are, presumably, going to be getting a bespoke book in the same manner as Squats and Ash Waste Raiders.

 Shadox wrote:
Necromunda enforcers have both satchels and flashbangs like that.

Damn, yeah. Those are spot on.

Yep bang on for Enforcers. I wonder if the dangly-ness hints at a vehicle?

 Olthannon wrote:
Yep bang on for Enforcers. I wonder if the dangly-ness hints at a vehicle?

Enforcers already stole the Tauros Venator from Elysians. If something mobile, could be bikers? Necromunda Highway Patrol?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
Yep bang on for Enforcers. I wonder if the dangly-ness hints at a vehicle?

Enforcers already stole the Tauros Venator from Elysians. If something mobile, could be bikers? Necromunda Highway Patrol?

An enforcer with mirror aviators is something I can get behind. Needs to have a Burt Reynolds moustache though.

Wastes Highway Patrol
WHiPs

 Jadenim wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
Yep bang on for Enforcers. I wonder if the dangly-ness hints at a vehicle?

Enforcers already stole the Tauros Venator from Elysians. If something mobile, could be bikers? Necromunda Highway Patrol?

An enforcer with mirror aviators is something I can get behind. Needs to have a Burt Reynolds moustache though.

Then we can expect a new fad of non-mirror mirror paint jobs in Golden Daemon

I would laugh if it turned out to be a Scavvie looting a murked Enforcer's danglies or something like that.

Oh, a Scalie using scraps of Enforcer armour and gear would be cool. Converted concussion rifle to make a speargun?

08.07.2025



Continuing our trend of ‘things that you can put other things in’ – look, we’re trying, OK – we have a vitreographical Rumour Engine image to peer at today. Whoever it is, they really like ampules – so either it’s the Mortal Realms’ latest snake oil salesman or a perfectly average Necromundan coming home from the firewater hole. That zig-zag design on one of the bottles is probably a clue, right? Who is it who likes triangles again?

Surely that’s got to go with the rack of bottles and gubbins from flipping aaaages ago?

Feels like something saddle bag-ish but perhaps for a larger animal.

Random different potions are greenskin stuff. Kruleboyz or Grots.

I agree it looks like on a saddle bag. Is that shape up in the right corner a fold of fabric? So if it's a saddle the person sitting on it has some form of skirt or robe on?

Wasn't there a rumour pic a while ago of some kind of rear leg of an animal that looked short but solid or thick, more like a... Bull?

Could be related.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Random different potions are greenskin stuff. Kruleboyz or Grots.

Yeah and the question they asked about who likes triangles, orcs like them. Just doesn't look too orky to me. Hopefully it gets revealed at the preview show.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Random different potions are greenskin stuff. Kruleboyz or Grots.

Why not dedicated kruleboy grots? They show up in the warcry gang and as supporting hangarounds for individual models. Would be fun to see them do a grimdark version of their crazy gobbapalooza cousins (but more focus on poison and assasination perhaps.

Just remembered Seraphon Lizardmen also like triangles.

lost_lilliputian wrote:
I agree it looks like on a saddle bag. Is that shape up in the right corner a fold of fabric? So if it's a saddle the person sitting on it has some form of skirt or robe on?

Bottles and skirt on a horse?

Lucrezza Belladonna and the return of Dogs of War confirmed!

 Nevelon wrote:

lost_lilliputian wrote:
I agree it looks like on a saddle bag. Is that shape up in the right corner a fold of fabric? So if it's a saddle the person sitting on it has some form of skirt or robe on?

Bottles and skirt on a horse?

Lucrezza Belladonna and the return of Dogs of War confirmed!

I like your thinking! Optimistic but I like it

I'm reminded of the paint job on some of the warcry warbands - maybe the Horns of Hashut or Scions of the Flame - but only the scions have a triangle zig-zag thing on their bottles.

Man, I'd love for the warcry warbands to come back recharged and reinvigorated.

Warhammer Quest Pitfighter?, at least a very similar looking weapon for a model that evokes something similar.

I’d agree it looks more like a flail than armour decoration.

Could be chaos anything really. Skull flail has been a staple of theirs for ages.

Fun fact? There’s at least one known example of someone in the real world being “bitten” by a skull they carried around with them, and dying from the infected wound. So even without the necessaries to bite, teeth can still inflict wounds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigurd_Eysteinsson

It's a pretty close match to Kharn & some Berzerker models, and is in motion as they would be. Other Chaos factions tend to lean towards different shapes at the end of chains, like butcher hooks.

Another WE KT perhaps? Could be 1-2 years away.

I would've guessed Flagellants, not Chaos.

TBF the various Chaos ranges are some of the stuff I look at/physically handle the least in all of Warhammer.

But Flags have multi-tailed flails, they have identical heads on their flails (with softer/older casting) and they have skulls on the end of chains (although not attached to their flails).

That's' true actually. and there have been rumours about a new flagellant kit for CoS since the old kit got kicked.

Honorable mention to the really old mummy lord for "undead" that had a weird 3 tailed flail with all skull-ends.

They could always be re-doing marauders for an Old-world only kit. Which seem silly, but supposedly GW doesnt want us to cross streams between Old World and AoS, so who knows.

Flagellants or FINALLY new Chaos Marauders.

Wow, I thought they redid Marauders forever ago. Turns out I was thinking of "Bloodreavers."

Have Marauders been a unit in AoS that whole time? Or were they gone, then came back for TOW?

 Fayric wrote:
Honorable mention to the really old mummy lord for "undead" that had a weird 3 tailed flail with all skull-ends.

The flail of skulls remained a magic items for Tomb Kings until GW blew up the setting, and made a comeback as the flail of skulls +1 on Nekaph the Resinated, head of Settra the More or Less Perishable's PR department (see spoiler). I'd be surprised if we got a model with a plain flail of skulls, but if we were to get it, it wouldn't be this rumor engine.

 Altruizine wrote:
Wow, I thought they redid Marauders forever ago. Turns out I was thinking of "Bloodreavers."

Have Marauders been a unit in AoS that whole time? Or were they gone, then came back for TOW?

If I recall correctly, Marauders were a Slaves to Darkness unit until the end or so of 3rd ed when they were replaced by new Darkoath models and made the jump to The Old World.

Marauders were in AoS for ages but were left without an updated model for a VERY long time. What happened is that Warcry came along with their custom warbands which were all new models that basically fit that role in the army.

Fastforward and GW has pulled most of the Warcry forces out of the core rules - partly because they were starting to bloat the book with the same unit in the same role etc... They also then released brand new updated Marauders.

Just a little later GW dropped the hammer on formally splitting AoS and Old World (and indeed splitting all their games) so we saw the old Marauder kit that was just replaced; return for Slaves to Darkness in Old World.


Going forward I'd fully expect GW to replace them again for Old World and that we'll see them slightlydifferent to their AoS counterparts even if they fit the same name, role in the army etc...

I think we can write off a ton of rumour engines tonight.

Nightguant


Flesheater Court


Kurnothi


Votan


Marines


Deathwatch Kill Team

 Tastyfish wrote:

I'm blind. How do these go together?

The claws on his left hand seem like the obvious spot, but the shape and width of the blades are totally different, no? Is it just an extremely steep angle on the rumour pic that makes it look that way?

It's his lefthand claw (on the right in the photo) where its digging into the rock pillar.

That's guano, not rock.

I wasn't sure, but I think it's the NNM style shine that makes the B&W image a little deceptive combined with seeing it almost straight down.

I could be wrong here though, the rocks do look pretty similar - even down to the slight pooling of contrast/smudge on the right hand side

It would be legitimately insane for them to design TWO models with a three-pronged claw gouging into an indeterminate mass, so I think you must be right. Very tricksy angle to shoot the teaser photo from.

It is possible that the photoshop cropping of the rock in the full image may have changed the shape of the rock. GWs editors might not be as careful when all they care about is showing the space marine.

Not entirely convinced on the Raven Guard claw being a solve, but I agree on the rest.

The angle of the photographs is different, that's all. They've not photoshopped it to a different shape, they simply cropped from a different photograph shot at a different angle

Yeah, the rumour image is from above, the stock photos are from the front/side. That's why you can't see the third claw on the preview pictures but can on the rumour image.

I think it's also some element of perspective from the paint job too - I still can't quite make out if the shiny bit on his lower hand is the flat top of a triangular blade, or the top half of something more double edged but I think it's the former.

Looks a lot more like that at 1hr:31min of the Youtube video where you can see the size comparison. The light seems to be properly catching the paler, shinier top section of his claws.

So in the rumour engine pic, the curved blades of the lightning claws are kind of hidden under the bulker upper surface of the claws as you're looking almost straight down on them.

Only a handful left of rumors to get revealed yet …







… and the two recent ones



Furthermore, I’m not entirely sure if this one

… is the smoke from one the small kharadron floating objects

It does have the same basing material, so highly likely.

Apparently that spider skull was from a cancelled project.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Apparently that spider skull was from a cancelled project.

Are you sure it's not the back of the tyranid corpse cape on the Votann guy? I haven't seen a rear shot of him... it could be that. But I wouldn't put any money on it.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Apparently that spider skull was from a cancelled project.

Yeah did we ever find out any more details about that?

Nope.

Bummer. Does make one wonder what army would have got a skeleton spider. Assuming that is what it was. Would have made for a cool undead monster.

It might not be a skeleton since one side looks cut/wounded.

Could have been anything -a warhammer quest release; an underworld or warcry party; killteam; a terrain feature on a base; a new army for AoS


Whatever it was it was clearly advanced enough to get printed, painted and included in the teasers.

There's also a chance that whatever its original use it might well come around again. Eg if it was a side game release it might just get a main game release much like the two named heroes for Soulblight from Cursed City

 Snrub wrote:
Bummer. Does make one wonder what army would have got a skeleton spider. Assuming that is what it was. Would have made for a cool undead monster.

It has been rumoured that it was another Incarnate like https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/age-of-sigmar-krondspine-incarnate-of-ghur-2022?srsltid=AfmBOoo6M8y64gpR0Zh3GR-lFN7j5g5iAt1WQ_sfN5g8y1GCgkJpEyP0, this time a spider for the caves of Gallet as described in White Dwarf 498 (the previous bestiary in WD related to the Thondia incarnate so that makes sense).

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/1gbjnd6/its_been_two_years_since_this_things_been_teased/ltna6kf/

The art for it got reused somewhere for a page background (edit: https://www.tga.community/forums/topic/22826-the-rumour-thread/?page=7167). It seems like it's dead for now, but I wouldn't be shocked if it got pushed into Gloomspite at some point.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Immediate thought is Votann Power Maul.

But I’m sure we’ve seen that design somewhere before, I just can’t place it right now.

Almost certainly something AoS Chaos.

I see a foot (boot tip) in a stirrup there on the right.

So something mounted.

Not really sure what else chaos needs mounted like that. Unless it's a Darkoath special character or something.

It's a Darkoath Skullfisher. You can see the hook, heavy metal net and latest catch next to a boot hanging there to dry.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Not really sure what else chaos needs mounted like that. Unless it's a Darkoath special character or something.

Or a rehash of the marauder kit for oldworld...

lost_lilliputian wrote:
I see a foot (boot tip) in a stirrup there on the right.

So something mounted.

Maybe mounted archers?

Whatever it is, I really don't like how perfectly straight the chain strips are hanging.
It's little stuff like that that makes digital so obvious.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

lost_lilliputian wrote:
I see a foot (boot tip) in a stirrup there on the right.

So something mounted.

Maybe mounted archers?

it's worth point out that the boot style doesn't match any darkoath unit I know of - and GW love their visual cohesion across a range.

edit - but then I looked at it again, and what I though was book is actually fabric. the tow of the boot still looks wrong, but make it is darkoath.

But my money is still on new marauders.

Let's hope those war mammoth rumors are, too. (or not. I dont need to spend that kind of money, lol)

I dont think they do rumor engines for anything other than 40k and AoS?

chaos0xomega wrote:
I dont think they do rumor engines for anything other than 40k and AoS?

Only if you consider Necromunda, Kill Team, Underworlds and Warcry "40k and Aos."

So yeah, it's Kislev cavalry.

The hook dont look particulary sharp, so I imagine its something tied to the saddle/harness so they can easily hook up a rope or chain to either pull something, or to restarin the beast. That would indicate its a pretty big creature.

I saw someone on Bluesky comment that the image has many of the same design cues as the Harbinger of Decay. They thought this might be Nurgle cavalry to go with it.

On the actual post they make a big deal about the blade being specific.

Looks chaosy adjacent.

Has anyone made a correct guess... this year?

Yup.

Drillhead and Flamer for the new Chaos Knight, and the control box for the Mole Mortar.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Yup.

Drillhead and Flamer for the new Chaos Knight, and the control box for the Mole Mortar.

I forgot all about the fake Imperial Knights.

I was wondering what our success rate as a forum was on guessing correctly.

Im pretty sure some people was certain the arms holding and pouring potions was nighthaunt.
But unless we see some specific detail, like some votann weapons that give it away (happened more than once) its just speculation anyway.
I really hope they can stop cluttering the rumor pics with Votann now. Its feels like a constant stream of releases and updates for every possible game system since their return to the setting.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Yup.

Drillhead and Flamer for the new Chaos Knight, and the control box for the Mole Mortar.

I forgot all about the fake Imperial Knights.

I was wondering what our success rate as a forum was on guessing correctly.

Squigs and squats both ended up true several times

You’re a Squig.

And I shall name you Neville.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You’re a Squig.

And I shall name you Neville.

So telling him he's the smartest part of an Ork army is an insult?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Yup.

Drillhead and Flamer for the new Chaos Knight, and the control box for the Mole Mortar.

I forgot all about the fake Imperial Knights.

I was wondering what our success rate as a forum was on guessing correctly.

We got the Kroot things were kroot as well

No need to guess. Warhammer Community already gave it away. Novelty back scratcher:

Eldar/elf metals and gems. But fur and a trophy/carved claw thing?

White lions? Exodites? DE beastmasters?

One of Krethusa's girls?

 Nevelon wrote:
White lions? Exodites? DE beastmasters?

Definitely got High Elf vibes going on.

Looks like a bear claw to me. And a fur cloak. Kislev?

The claw is weird. The hard edges make it look like it might be carved. It could be the base of a staff or other hafted weapon? You can see the wraps at the top of the pic.

Frankly it makes me think Kurnothi from Underworlds.

That's obviously the royal backscratcher. Who gets it? No idea. But very regal indeed!

I’m not entirely sure that’s a haft up the top end. It could be plaited hair?

It's a backscratcher. My guess is new Hedonites of Slaanesh.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m not entirely sure that’s a haft up the top end. It could be plaited hair?

So the hand is a hair accessory?

I could see that, but still think it’s a haft of some type, with a leather wrap for grip.

Could be a whip tip? So not plaited hair, but plaited leather or hide.

Catsclaw mace with gemstones and fur britches.
Definitely a Gully Dwarf.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Could be a whip tip? So not plaited hair, but plaited leather or hide.

Is the wrap the same style the Kurnothi use?

Honestly? I can’t tell. But here’s some pics for direct visual comparisson,






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I think it matches the spear’s haft wrap looking at them together,

And the gems also match the kurnothi guy.

 Nevelon wrote:
The claw is weird. The hard edges make it look like it might be carved. It could be the base of a staff or other hafted weapon? You can see the wraps at the top of the pic.

I reckon they've whited out the right hand side of the picture, and that claw is actually leaning against something, like a horse's flank as if this is more saddle decorations.

So it's Elf-adjacent. Looks very Wood Elven, looks like it's a bronze colour with silvery claws.

I do like the idea of it being a Kislev rumour just because that would be great.

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Grand Cathay Perhaps?

It's so blatantly Sylvaneth i'm willing to call the double bluff.

That could be any old life wizard.

Exodites.
Ents.
Old world Wood Elves.

Maybe Cities of Sigmar are getting an updated wizard kit so their existing one can be shuffled back to The Old World.

Woodelfs

The Riddler

It's Radagast the Brown from the Middle Earth game!

New Necromunda specialist who hides in the underhive disguised as a plant, but then hops out and scares people in mid battle causing a bottle test.

 Theophony wrote:
New Necromunda specialist who hides in the underhive disguised as a plant, but then hops out and scares people in mid battle causing a bottle test.

It has to be! I will not accept anything less than this!

Outside chance it could be a Blood Bowl character.

Aekold Helbrass, now with growing plants modelled on as a tactical feature.

I got it. They retconned Necrcons again and made the Green Energy to be nature based...

Now they are Space Robo-Druids!

Sylvaneth for sure. They use the spiral in almost every glyph/icon or just carve it in their bodies.

Hope its for a new branchwytch, -the old one is a pretty anonymous model that have the weird choice of a big scything weapon rather than ordinary wizard tropes.

Didnt they get a warcry box with some refreshed dryads?


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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I got it. They retconned Necrcons again and made the Green Energy to be nature based...

Now they are Space Robo-Druids!

I would buy it!
Could they be pitted against Exodites?

Some sorta wooden elves for sure.

It’s a tree squig. Or a tuig, if you prefer.

 Theophony wrote:
New Necromunda specialist who hides in the underhive disguised as a plant, but then hops out and scares people in mid battle causing a bottle test.

Sold in a two pack with a second scavver who stands still in metallic colors pretending to be a statue

New Truthsayer for Old World.

Spirit Fox?

It's been a while since we a plastic release for Blood Bowl, or am I forgetting something?

Blood Bowl has thrown us some curve ball rumour engines in the past.

Some of the deadwalker zombies have twigs embedded in them. I don’t know if that’s what they are, or spirit tendrils. Could be some form of undead fluffy.

Part of me wants to lean into Kurnothi again. But after the fox from Bloodbowl, I'm looking more in that direction.

Last time I thought it was Fantasy related it ended up being another Necromunda animal.

The twiggy bits remind me of Sylvaneth for some reason but then any Sylvaneth mounts are all currently bugs. They wouldn't get some kind of other mammal creature with bushy tails to ride as well would they?

Wasn't last week's rumour looking very Sylvaneth as well with that twiggy wand? Not sure if they do 2 weeks in a row of the same faction.

Anyway it looks good whatever light coloured animal it is. I'm assuming it's got a rider.

Foxes are hunters, which would seem to suit Kuornothi. Alarielle repesents the Flora, Kuornothi represent the Fauna?

Oddly the "energy" seems darker than the fur.

I think it's wood, not energy.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Oddly the "energy" seems darker than the fur.

Blood? The angles feel wrong for it to be dripping off the rest of the critter off-screen. But could this be prey caught in something’s jaws?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I think it's wood, not energy.

Yeah, looks like twigs to me.

The next Underworlds cute mascot slash mini of the year runner-up.

Here’s a thought.

Having just, finally, ordered my WH+ year 4 subscriber models? Recent rumour engines could be the Year 5 ones, with the reveal theoretically being in the next couple of weeks, based on last year’s “you can order them now” date of 17 September.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Foxes are hunters, which would seem to suit Kuornothi. Alarielle repesents the Flora, Kuornothi represent the Fauna?

It's a Rastafarian Fox, it also enjoys the green.

Orion had two hunting dogs that would match the size and colour if they did an orionesqe centerpiece for kurnothi.

And GW really like to make dog companions these days.

Oh man, that would be amazing. I really hope Orion makes the jump to AoS. Though I guess he'd be Kurnoth(?)

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Oh man, that would be amazing. I really hope Orion makes the jump to AoS. Though I guess he'd be Kurnoth(?)

I think Orion is an avatar of the great hunter, a sacrificed elf-lord posessed by Kurnoth? I think I read it on the internet.

Buggly Boils. Most likely something Nurgle?

Equal chance of Sylvaneth or Necromunda

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Equal chance of Sylvaneth or Necromunda

My thoughts exactly, one or the other

The boils and larva like tail actually makes me think Nurgle

necromunda

New chaos spawn kill team?

If the rumours are correct about the AoS Nurgle release, than I'm fully expecting this to be part of that.

Looks like one of those foul xenos creatures... the really disgusting ones, that make you go blind if you look at them.

What do people call them now? Aeldari?

"Feels" plastic to me, so I'll go with AOS

As we’ve just had a wave of Undead? I’m thinking Amethyst Wizard, or something along the same lines. Possibly Jade, but the cloak doesn’t seem the right look there.

Death from Puss in Boots?

Not undead. So some sort of druid/wood elf/nature type.

Jade Wizards and the Druids of Albion both used to use those.

I'm putting my money on some Old World Wizarding.

There's something in the AoS range that matches that weapon almost exactly..i just can't remember what it is.

There are Gitz with weapons very similar to that. Fits with the cloak too.

That was it, thank you. The sickle seems a bit clean for them though.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
That was it, thank you. The sickle seems a bit clean for them though.

Yah, there are a few places to find sickles (Nighthaunt as well) but that looks just way too clean and maintained.

Dunno if it’s just the grey scaling, but the sickle looks specifically Silver in colour to my eyes.

And Silver Sickles, most due to Asterix, are something I associate with Druids.

Which made me think of Henghis the Druid, from the Giants of Albion. Cloak kinda fits his robe as well.

Daughters of Khaine also have sickles on their Khinerai, but they have a jagged angular corner near the handle rather than a smooth curve

 Overread wrote:
Daughters of Khaine also have sickles on their Khinerai, but they have a jagged angular corner near the handle rather than a smooth curve

Could be something to do with Krethusa. An offshoot with similar weapons.

Considering how much GW focuses on DoK story wise I'm always a little surprised they never had a big army update; then again I kind of get the feeling that in the back ground there's a battle to restore Dark Elves to their whole original army; or to do away with them or move them to Old World.

All of which leaves both factions in limbo


I'd love to see DoK get a nice big update; some generic cavalry; a new troop type; some monsters; shadow beasts; artillery/siege weapons etc...

I don't see daughters needing to be put back with the rest of it. They've grown quite a fun and unique identity of their own.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I don't see daughters needing to be put back with the rest of it. They've grown quite a fun and unique identity of their own.

Exactly and I fully agree with this. DoK are entirely their own thing and it would be a shame if they got rolled back in. They've unique units, models, lore, everything.

Plus the original Dark Elf army that's currently languishing in Cities of Sigmar doesn't need the DoK content either. DoK to them was 2 leaders, 2 units and a buff cauldron. Basically a bunch of elite/specialist stuff. So very easy to replace with some other components. The Dark Elf army is otherwise almost entirely complete, give them a new leader or two and their own book and you've got an army. I'm honestly confused why GW hasn't done that with them; or why the closest they did was the Expansion Book a little while back.

 Overread wrote:
Considering how much GW focuses on DoK story wise I'm always a little surprised they never had a big army update; then again I kind of get the feeling that in the back ground there's a battle to restore Dark Elves to their whole original army; or to do away with them or move them to Old World.

All of which leaves both factions in limbo


I'd love to see DoK get a nice big update; some generic cavalry; a new troop type; some monsters; shadow beasts; artillery/siege weapons etc...

They just need to re-do the basic Witch unit - able to take advantage of the lack of need to rank up to give better poses - and then the original can be ported over to Old World with the rest of the Dark Elves.

Good lord if they did an Albion army I'd lose my mind.

I'm fairly certain they'll do Vampire Coast for TOW so maybe it'll be for that.

Albion would be awesome to see in ToW but yeah that would be a really big surprise.

Right now I'd expect to see more things from TW Warhammer 3. Vampire Coast would be a natural way to add vampries without adding vampires and give them a good difference to the soulblight in AoS. That said they did also rename most of the AoS models so - who knows.

Albion army? Cachtorr and Bologgs march out of the mists of time again? That would be cool.
Woad berserkers, Fen Beasts, unicorns, all that.

 Overread wrote:
Vampire Coast would be a natural way to add vampries without adding vampires and give them a good difference to the soulblight in AoS. That said they did also rename most of the AoS models so - who knows.

I've also seen some speculate that could add something like Mousillon as a faction.

I'd be fine with that as a way of getting neglected Legacy armies into the game. Wretches of Mousillon, Clan Eshin Expeditionary Force-Group, etc.

Looking at it again, the most obvious thing is actually a Mandrake character.

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 Overread wrote:
Vampire Coast would be a natural way to add vampries without adding vampires and give them a good difference to the soulblight in AoS. That said they did also rename most of the AoS models so - who knows.

I've also seen some speculate that could add something like Mousillon as a faction.

I'd be fine with that as a way of getting neglected Legacy armies into the game. Wretches of Mousillon, Clan Eshin Expeditionary Force-Group, etc.

The problem with the Mousillon theories is that the people who are pushing that are basing it on TWW Mousillon where the Red Duke *of Aquitaine* leads a faction of vampiric bretonnian knights. Thats largely a game balance thing which has little to do with lore (one of several that exist across the 3 games in the series). While Mousillon has its fair share of vampire and undead lore, the Red Duke is not associated with it (and is instead said to reside in and haunt the Forest of Chalons) and there is no widespread army of vampiric/undead knights really associated with it. Merovech - the one notable vampiric blood knight actually associated with Mousillon - was killed about 200 years prior to TOW and doesn't reappear again until around the time of Karl Franz.

In TOWs timeline, its the story of Maldred (and its been hinted that he will feature in the narrative alongside the affair of the False Grail) - but the thing is Maldred was never a vampire or really even involved with the undead.

A Grade 7 Spear. Or as they’re referred to in the trade? A Pokey Harold.

Unga bunga Exodites spear

This is the easiest one yet.... it's so easy that I would feel bad spoiling it for you.

Looks like an elf spear based on the shape. Could it be we are finally getting updated High Elf Spearmen?

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Looks like an elf spear based on the shape. Could it be we are finally getting updated High Elf Spearmen?

or maybe woodelves? Looks kinda wood elfy to me, particularly in light of that druid-ish stuff we've gotten recently.

Maybe not a spear but some sort of ballista bolt?

Great to see some plastic wardancers coming up, just strange they could not have rushed them out for the arcane journal.

Is a shooter.



Solid shot but with maybe a plasma canister bit?

Votann have just had their stuff shown off. So….what gives!


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Wait….have we had updated Squits for Marines?

It kinda feels like something for the Votann and could be a hero character or something akin to that. Which would be small enough for an addition.

They literally just had a decent sized release though.

Hence I’m thinking maybe updated Marine Scouts.

I'm thinking something Necromunda, possibly another Squat model/box?

Oooh, could be. But then, Neccy Squats haven’t long had their House Of equivalent, with no gaps in the line. Those tend to be (but aren’t universally) when a gang gets shiny plastics.

I'm going to go off the wall and say Custodes, maybe a new option for venetarii jump boys or some other lighter unit

Marine scouts were recently done.

Getting shotgun vibes. Imperial-ish as well, but not a main faction? Necromunda is the only thing that comes to mind.

Could be the rumored Wolf Scouts.

The gun is new but the straps are identical to what Votann use on shotguns.

 Nevelon wrote:

Getting shotgun vibes. Imperial-ish as well, but not a main faction? Necromunda is the only thing that comes to mind.

It's an option for various HH Marine characters and units but isn't in any upgrade set. Recon squads have them by default and there it looks quite different - but it's an old resin kit and we've seen a lot of design changes.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

Getting shotgun vibes. Imperial-ish as well, but not a main faction? Necromunda is the only thing that comes to mind.

It's an option for various HH Marine characters and units but isn't in any upgrade set. Recon squads have them by default and there it looks quite different - but it's an old resin kit and we've seen a lot of design changes.

Do any marine gun straps have that much slack? All the ones I can think of are fixed length, or just a tab of excess at the buckle. Some belts run long, but not gear straps.

At least that come to mind.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
They literally just had a decent sized release though.

Hence I’m thinking maybe updated Marine Scouts.

Didn’t they just recently get an update with the Kill Team set?

I would have thought that if it were from an imperial faction that there would be an Aquila on the big blank area near the muzzle.

Not if it is indeed Heresy?

After the Arbites pump-action-sniper-shotgun, I could see them try to top it with a sawn-of-plasma-slug-shotgun.

Looks Votann to me.

If it is a plasma canister thing.

It’s what it put me in mind of, but could easily be something else.

Could it be...Emperors Children, but with odd looking weapons?

Its a lot to hope for right now, but Harlequins vs Emperor's Children would be very welcome in Kill Team. Harles haven't had a single release in multiple editions, while Emperor's Children would definitely be a popular choice for many a player.

Looks too sensible and straight forward for any chaos force.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Looks too sensible and straight forward for any chaos force.

Could be from the most mythical army that will never be made: the 40k Alpha Legionnaire.

Some folks on reddit have pointed out that the design is a close match (aesthetically speaking, in terms of design language) for the Londaxi tribalest found in the Kroot Farstalkers set.



The look of the dvorgite skinner isn't too different either.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tau40K/comments/1nch465/rumor_engine_kroot/

The Kroot comparison is bang-on, and pretty much settles it. With the caveat that it could be Gue'vesa or whoever sells the Kroot their special guns.

I think the Kill Team Pathfinders are somewhat close to being phased out of the KT legality rolls, so a new Kroot or Gue'vesa kill team seems likely.

Hmm, despite having different origins, both of the Kroot special weapons (tribalest and skinner) have similar aesthetics so it’s possible that reflects changes made (or requested) to the design by the Kroot to suit them. So I’d say even more likely some sort of Kroot accessory but why would they be using something that looks like a shotgun?

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Hmm, despite having different origins, both of the Kroot special weapons (tribalest and skinner) have similar aesthetics so it’s possible that reflects changes made (or requested) to the design by the Kroot to suit them. So I’d say even more likely some sort of Kroot accessory but why would they be using something that looks like a shotgun?

Load it with rock salt? Season and tenderize their food.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Hmm, despite having different origins, both of the Kroot special weapons (tribalest and skinner) have similar aesthetics so it’s possible that reflects changes made (or requested) to the design by the Kroot to suit them. So I’d say even more likely some sort of Kroot accessory but why would they be using something that looks like a shotgun?

Kroot already have the "scattergun" as a shotgun-adjacent weapon, so I think those who have predicted a "super plasma shotgun" kinda deal are likely to be correct. Like a 1-per-squad special weapon type selection, that has design elements in common with a shotgun, but a better payload. Or I guess it could be a squad-wide weapon that is differentiated from the scattergun somehow.

Well, i think its interesting that the rumor weapon has three finger indentations on the foregrip. Kroot have 2 fingers and 2 thumbs on each hand, so that foregrip isnt really suited to them.

Tau on the other hand have 3 fingers and a thumb, so...

Dunno what it is model wise? But I want it!

Munda objective, surely.

I’d be more inclined to Kill Team. Not sure we’ve ever had Necromunda in the rumour engine before?

That's either an objective or something like a mechancus leader with a bunch of screens around them .

Broken screen doesn’t seem Mechanicus though.

A significant part of me is wiling it to be Dark Mechanicum (an organisation that really needs a better name. No, I won’t be careful what I wish for, bog off), but I doubt it.

How often do we see cracked screens? Guessing some sort of objective/terrain and not a character model.

Don't you hate it that the screen always breaks when you're just out of warranty?

Is that fingers in the bottom left corner?

Good it be a GSC character? Battered, yet clearly imperial tech. Both GSC calling cards. Necromunda would also seem a good call to me.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I’d be more inclined to Kill Team. Not sure we’ve ever had Necromunda in the rumour engine before?

I think we've head a few in the past.

Geifer wrote:Is that fingers in the bottom left corner?

Looks like hair or fur to me.

Broken screens tend to be Necromunda but it looks like somebody is standing in front of the screens - looks like a fur cloak or crazy Dragonball hair...

That cracked screen really stands out. If it's certified pre-owned tech, it might also be liberated tech. So I won't rule out GSC.

 Geifer wrote:
Don't you hate it that the screen always breaks when you're just out of warranty?

Is that fingers in the bottom left corner?

I was thinking the end of a doc ock tentacle, but that's because I'm already thinking of dark mech.

It's probably safe to say it's part of an Ultramarine.

For everyone saying it could be necromunda or or genestealer cults, remember it could be both. Secundus hasn’t had any attention since the initial releases; could be there.

Interesting one because as Snrub says it definitely looks like fur or some such.

Could well be Necromunda, not sure what people are due. I wonder if it's related to the shotgun in the last week and it's something Kill Team.

Im hoping its the advent of codex Adeptus Munitorum.
Die hard supply guys that make darn sure no exessive deliveries goes out without the proper forms stamped and filed.

 Fayric wrote:
Im hoping its the advent of codex Adeptus Munitorum.
Die hard supply guys that make darn sure no exessive deliveries goes out without the proper forms stamped and filed.

They have abilities which allow them to redeploy their opponent’s units, force their opponents to reroll dice, and steal command points.

Hmm, new Space Hulk.

Maybe it’s a much needed GSC character model?

Interesting one this week, if it's not a Necromunda Scaly I'd guess a T'au auxiliary.
The decorations suggest kroot, but there seems to be more of a scaly arm (unless it's a pelt).
Tarrelian perhaps?

Reminds me more of the Thousand Sons automata. But, there’s what I think is fabric in the top left corner, which makes me think this isn’t a bionic, but a glove weapon, like a Powerfist.

Controls have me wondering if it’s therefore a tool of some kind. With possibly a very highly stylised Aquila?

If we didnt got the votan codex out already i would say votan.

Nice to know Weyland-Yutani are still around in the 41st Millennium.

Clearly the front of a boarding torpedo-type vessel BattlefleetGothicConfimred!!

Maybe Necromunda squats. It's giving me Kroot vibes, maybe an armoured character?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Reminds me more of the Thousand Sons automata.

I was about to say, last time we saw heavily chipped white plate it ended up being Thousand Sons, which I bet not a single person guessed correctly. The glyph is super sketchy tho.

My first thought was Zoat. But seems a bit less elaborate then the one from Blackstone.

 Tastyfish wrote:


Interesting one this week, if it's not a Necromunda Scaly I'd guess a T'au auxiliary.
The decorations suggest kroot, but there seems to be more of a scaly arm (unless it's a pelt).
Tarrelian perhaps?

I was thinking of some kind of Kroot Rampager with some mechanized T'au armour.

We still don't have a cavalry character that can actually lead Kroot units, this could be it.

Demiurge kill team

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Demiurge kill team

There's already 2 of those.