Hi,

first of all: GW wasn't in the mood to share any news on upcoming products with their fans. Deal with it.

But Forge World has a different approach on dealing with customers, so they led out some tidbits on future products. While the near future is filled with 2 books on Space Marines and Chaos Space marines (see Badab Wars thread), there is a light at the end of the tunnel (information gathered and summarized from the Warseer GD Baltimore thread http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=272593, mostly by dienekes96, who is also posting here):

1.) After the two SM books, Imperial Armour 11 will definitely deal with Eldar fighting Space Wolves, Cadians and Elysians on an Ice planet, release sometime next year. It will include a Phantom Titan around Xmas, Eldar troops and an unnamed eldar light tank which looked sorta like a cross between a falcon and some of their fliers (Sarrazon will soon give us a pic).



2.) At GD UK, Will Hayes will present a new Necron model.

3.) There will be more Chaos and Ork stuff in the future, but nothing concrete about that ATM. Nothing revealed about other armies. Here the "Mother of all Grot Tanks" in the works:



4.) Forgeworld Inquisition/Sisters maybe late next year

5.) They have plans for 40k and Fantasy scenery.

6.) FW Fantasy is a separate team. Nothing revealed ATM, but expect an official announcement in about a month.

Phantom= DROOL!

It was elaborated at the presentation that future Chaos releases will likely be of the two powers we have not seen yet (Slaanesh and Tzeentch).

Also, they apparently do plan on making a Warlord Titan...but we shouldn't expect anything of it for at least two years.

And, I said it in another thread and I'll say it again, the Lufgt Huron model is fething amazing. I want 12 and I don't even play a Marine army anymore.

While I am excited that my Eldar friends have some love coming and I know that since my Wolves have just received a new (amazing) codex I almost feel bad for asking if anyone has heard of any new Space Wolf Forgeworld goodness.

Now that I am over almost feeling bad. Did anyone ask about new Space Wolf stuff? There were rumors that FW may attempt the Thunderwolf Calvary. I can think of nothing better than an IA book to release those bad boys. I may now have to wait on some of my ideas if there is new coolness on the horizon.

Bikeninja wrote:While I am excited that my Eldar friends have some love coming and I know that since my Wolves have just received a new (amazing) codex I almost feel bad for asking if anyone has heard of any new Space Wolf Forgeworld goodness.

Now that I am over almost feeling bad. Did anyone ask about new Space Wolf stuff? There were rumors that FW may attempt the Thunderwolf Calvary. I can think of nothing better than an IA book to release those bad boys. I may now have to wait on some of my ideas if there is new coolness on the horizon.

No-one asked about the Space Wolves because the general consensus when the words "Space Wolves" were mentioned was an amaglamation of "BOO!" and "UGH!" A sentiment with which I completely agree.

Darth Bob wrote:
No-one asked about the Space Wolves because the general consensus when the words "Space Wolves" were mentioned was an amaglamation of "BOO!" and "UGH!" A sentiment with which I completely agree.

Since when? Just because you don't like an army doesn't mean it shouldn't get support, especially when one of the best units in the codex doesn't even have a model.

Yeah, I know, "SPEHHS MAHRENS HURRR" or whatever.

Brother SRM wrote:

Darth Bob wrote:
No-one asked about the Space Wolves because the general consensus when the words "Space Wolves" were mentioned was an amaglamation of "BOO!" and "UGH!" A sentiment with which I completely agree.

Since when? Just because you don't like an army doesn't mean it shouldn't get support, especially when one of the best units in the codex doesn't even have a model.

Yeah, I know, "SPEHHS MAHRENS HURRR" or whatever.

Dark Eldar and Kroot should be the only armies that get support.

Brother SRM wrote:
Since when? Just because you don't like an army doesn't mean it shouldn't get support, especially when one of the best units in the codex doesn't even have a model.

Yeah, I know, "SPEHHS MAHRENS HURRR" or whatever.

Since the seminar. When pretty much everyone at the seminar keyed in together in an amaglamation of "BOO! and "UGH" at the mention of the Space Puppies. That's why no-one asked for more info on them. Because honestly, only a very small portion of the crowd cared.

Even the Forge World representative giving the presentation was like "I know...I know...but the head of GW happens to be a Space Wolf player."

Bob is wrong. Someone asked about the Space Wolves. Tony said there was a list of potential releases, but nothing had been decided yet. The Wolves are going to get a few releases, but he wasn't ready to go into detail yet. After seeing the SC's for the Badab War, I'd kill for some FW infantry and a FW character. Maybe even some Fenris wolves.

But yes, the SW got groans. I guess their name is more silly and cheesy than Dark Angels or Iron Warriors. But it doesn't matter . Because I will be getting FW love in the next year. So suck it, haters.

dienekes96 wrote:Bob is wrong. Someone asked about the Space Wolves. Tony said there was a list of potential releases, but nothing had been decided yet. The Wolves are going to get a few releases, but he wasn't ready to go into detail yet. After seeing the SC'smfor the Badab War, I'd kill for some FW infantry and a FW character. Maybe even some Fenris wolves.

But yes, the SW got groans. I guess their name is more silly and cheesy than Dark Angels or Iron Warriors. But it doesn't matter . Because I will be getting FW love in the next year. So suck it, haters.

Meh, guess I tuned out the Space Wolves talk because I'm altogether tired of the constant barks of "BAWWWW NEED MOAR THUNDERWOLVZ!!!"

Yeah, I'm tired of a lot of stuff too.

Also, I really wish GW would have just played nice for once and said "Yes, Dark Eldar are next. It is official!"

Why would they do that? If something goes wrong in mass production, distribution, etc--you end up with even more whining from the Dark Eldar community than you already see.

Not committing is the best way to avoid bad publicity, since it means you can't be held to missing a set date--because you never gave one!


Anyways, I think my Cadians are on hold now. Fingers crossed for 'arctic' kit Elysians/Cadians!

Maybe even some cold-weather sniper models?

Kanluwen wrote:Why would they do that? If something goes wrong in mass production, distribution, etc--you end up with even more whining from the Dark Eldar community than you already see.

Not committing is the best way to avoid bad publicity, since it means you can't be held to missing a set date--because you never gave one!

You may have just achieved a new all-time low there, Kanluwen!

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Why would they do that? If something goes wrong in mass production, distribution, etc--you end up with even more whining from the Dark Eldar community than you already see.

Not committing is the best way to avoid bad publicity, since it means you can't be held to missing a set date--because you never gave one!

You may have just achieved a new all-time low there, Kanluwen!

You do realize that's exactly what FFG, Blizzard, etc do right?

It's a good business practice to do with a hotly anticipated item--at least before things are really nailed down and finalized.

Kanluwen wrote:You do realize that's exactly what FFG, Blizzard, etc do right?

As usual Kan, that is utter bs. Complete bs from a rampant GW apologist. And an absolute lie.

Blizzard does not deny the existence of Starcraft II (before it came out), or the fact that they're making Diablo III. FFG do not pretend that there are no upcoming Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader or Deathwatch books - in fact, they released three PDF's explaining all the books that they are going to make. What they do do is not announce release dates until they are 100% sure. That is the prudent thing, as to avoid disappointment should there be a delay in printing, shipping, or even in development.

Games Workshop on the other hand won't even tell you what they're doing. Ever. It's not about getting release dates, it's about knowing that they exist. Blizzard, FFG, Catalyst, PP and a whole stack of other companies (in fact, I'd say most commercial companies) reveal what they are doing (or some of their plans) ahead of time, and they get people hyped up - Christ, even Forge World does it!!! - GW pretends they're doing nothing, lies that there are upcoming products, never reveals anything, threatens staff with sackings if they discuss upcoming releases and generally feths around looking like complete fething clownshoe amateurs.

So lose the "it's in case of delays" endless tireless GW defense nonsense Kan. You're sheer love of this company DEFIES reason.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Games Workshop on the other hand won't even tell you what they're doing. Ever.

Should they?

If they like being secretive, so what?

And not committing to what's being released next could very well be because of possible delays. How could you possibly know the reason?

Monster Rain wrote:Should they?

If they like being secretive, so what?

Don't you think it makes more sense for a company that sells products to generate interest in said products by letting their customers (and potential customers) know what products they plan to make? Imagine if movies came out but there were never any advertisments or trailers for them? Or if car companies just put out new cars without so much as a word in the local paper. Maybe fast food companies can have special deals and limited time only offers, but, y'know, not advertise that fact.

It would be stupid, wouldn't it?

Monster Rain wrote:And not committing to what's being released next could very well be because of possible delays. How could you possibly know the reason?

Comprehension fail!!!

"We are working on Dark Eldar" =/= "We are working on Dark Eldar for an Autumn release".

Monster Rain wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Games Workshop on the other hand won't even tell you what they're doing. Ever.

If they like being secretive, so what?

Because it'd be nice if Games Workshop would recognize their loyal fanbase and throw us a fething bone every once in a while.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Should they?

If they like being secretive, so what?

Don't you think it makes more sense for a company that sells products to generate interest in said products by letting their customers (and potential customers) know what products they plan to make? Imagine if movies came out but there were never any advertisments or trailers for them? Or if car companies just put out new cars without so much as a word in the local paper. Maybe fast food companies can have special deals and limited time only offers, but, y'know, not advertise that fact.

It would be stupid, wouldn't it?

They do advertise, IIRC.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:And not committing to what's being released next could very well be because of possible delays. How could you possibly know the reason?

Comprehension fail!!!

"We are working on Dark Eldar" =/= "We are working on Dark Eldar for an Autumn release".

Maybe they figure they get more buzz from the angry neckbeards on the internet by keeping silent.

Darth Bob wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Games Workshop on the other hand won't even tell you what they're doing. Ever.

If they like being secretive, so what?

Because it'd be nice if Games Workshop would recognize their loyal fanbase and throw us a fething bone every once in a while.

And every time they've thrown a bone, they get bit in the hand by that "loyal fanbase" clamoring for information.

Kanluwen wrote:

Darth Bob wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Games Workshop on the other hand won't even tell you what they're doing. Ever.

If they like being secretive, so what?

Because it'd be nice if Games Workshop would recognize their loyal fanbase and throw us a fething bone every once in a while.

And every time they've thrown a bone, they get bit in the hand by that "loyal fanbase" clamoring for information.

This is true, but a bit of information or at least a statement as blatant as "We're making (insert army here) for (insert quarter here). More info will soon follow, so please be patient." is better than no information at all.

On that note, I vote that this be made into a new topic if we are to continue this conversation; instead of going off topic in this one.

Kanluwen wrote:

Darth Bob wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Games Workshop on the other hand won't even tell you what they're doing. Ever.

If they like being secretive, so what?

Because it'd be nice if Games Workshop would recognize their loyal fanbase and throw us a fething bone every once in a while.

And every time they've thrown a bone, they get bit in the hand by that "loyal fanbase" clamoring for information.

I heard that.

In fact, if they read a lot of these forums, I doubt they have a whole lot of good will toward the "loyal fanbase." Maybe, just maybe, the guys at GW just think that they make models to play a game with and not to build a lifestyle around.

Monster Rain wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Darth Bob wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Games Workshop on the other hand won't even tell you what they're doing. Ever.

If they like being secretive, so what?

Because it'd be nice if Games Workshop would recognize their loyal fanbase and throw us a fething bone every once in a while.

And every time they've thrown a bone, they get bit in the hand by that "loyal fanbase" clamoring for information.

I heard that.

In fact, if they read a lot of these forums, I doubt they have a whole lot of good will toward the "loyal fanbase." Maybe, just maybe, the guys at GW just think that they make models to play a game with and not to build a lifestyle around.

Well, if they were at all intelligent they would have good will towards their fanbase, since, you know, it's that fanbase that buys their stuff and gives them money?

Maybe, just maybe, the guys at GW will stop being so secretive about every little thing, act like every other functioning company on the planet, and give their consumer an idea of what to expect from the company they pour their money into? It doesn't do much to make models to play a game if you're consumer is left in the dark as to what the hell you're selling. They'd make much more money if they would just let us know. There's no logical reason behind such secrecy.


Enough OT Spam, continue this conversation in this thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/312623.page

As usual Kan, that is utter bs. Complete bs from a rampant GW apologist. And an absolute lie.

Blizzard does not deny the existence of Starcraft II (before it came out), or the fact that they're making Diablo III.

Blizzard is infamous for not putting release dates on things until they are absolutely certain everything is a go, I think that is what he's trying to say. They never start a patch/expansion for their games and give it a release date. "Soon" or "When its ready" could both be trademarked by Blizz.

And Blizzard is pretty secretive. Look for details on their next gen mmo thats been in the works twice as long as the 40k MMO for confirmation on that. Hell, everyone thought "The Emerald Dream" would be the expansion after Lich King and they revealed Cataclysm. When they revealed that both Starcraft II and Diablo III were in the works, they were secretive up until it was official on their website, offering no comment on what they were working on, although it was fairly obvious at the time (promising a big reveal in Korea where Starcraft is the national pastime).

Why is it so offensive that GW is super secretive, anyway?

Because people feel "betrayed" when they've bought an army consisting of 'lesser quality' sculpts and then they see the shiny new things.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

"We are working on Dark Eldar" =/= "We are working on Dark Eldar for an Autumn release".

But that's exactly what they have said about DE. In fact, it's the only thing they have ever mentioned about it. In the Design Philosophy podcast interview with Jes Goodwin he said he was working on DE and they would be released when they are ready. That's it.

While I do agree it would be great if GW adopted the approach of FW and just let the fans know what was coming down the pipeline. But that's not the case. It sucks, but really it's more annoying reading all the people complaining about it and crying when the next release isn't for their favorite army, like they are entitled to have their goodies before anyone else. And that's exactly what has happened with the FW seminar. They let people know what's coming and all they do is complain about Marines getting all the love, even though marines have really not had a ton of FW support until now.


Anyway, in regards to the topic at hand - for those of you who attended would you care to elaborate on what was discussed about the future Chaos releases? Did they specifically mention Slaanesh and Tzeentch as a possible focus or was it just implied? I'm just curious what details were given, if any.

It was said that when they got back to Chaos, they had the two other gods (Tzeentch and Slaanesh) to focus on. So yeah, outright said that Tzeentch and Slaanesh will get their day in the limelight, only question is when.

Didn't I just say that in the first reply to this thread? :\

Sigh...

*Goes and sulks in the corner.*

I went to Dan Abnett's seminar and here's what I got.

Prospero Burns is the HH sequel to 1000 Sons, told from a Space Wolf perspective.
SPOILER! Magnus turns to chaos!
There is an end in site for the HH series, he talked about doing the final battle as a trilogy by 3 different authors telling the same story from different points of view. But there are a lot of twists between now and then.
SPOILER! Horus may turn to chaos!
THe current Gaunt's Ghosts arc is NOT the last one, it is called Victory but he won't say whose. It will run 4 books and he has at least 1 or 2 after.
BL will launch a new online magazine called Hammer and BOlter (IIRC) which is similar to the old Inferno mag. The first issue at least is free and will mix new and established BL authors.
Eisenhorn will get a book of short stories, then he will start work on Ravenor vs Eisenhorn next year (much applause at that).

Kid_Kyoto, you were at GamesDay! Sheesh! Why didn't we organize a better meet-up among Dakka-ites???

I wish we had, I wore my Dakka shirt but didn't meet anyone new.

John Blanche liked it though.

My big achievements were getting his autographs on my old Realms of CHaos books and complimenting Abnett on his Death's Head II comic from 20 years ago.

@Bob: I understand the hate. Not everyone gets as good a Codex as the Space Wolves all three times they have made it. I will be happy when the Dark Eldar do actually land on a shelf. They need it more than anyone else in my opinion.

ThunderWolves are cool though, you have admit it. hehehe!!!

Darth Bob wrote:Didn't I just say that in the first reply to this thread? :\

Sigh...

*Goes and sulks in the corner.*

Oh come on, don't sulk! I was just asking if anything else was mentioned besides what you said about it likely having a focus on Tzeentch and Slaanesh. Honestly, I'm really more of a Khorne and Nurgle fan, but with the amazingness that FW does I might jump on board for a few units of those other two Gods, even if they aren't my faves. I'd especially like to see a variety of daemon engines for all the Gods from Chaos. Might give GW a few ideas on how to think outside the box when it comes to making a daemon army for 40k.

Lol Kan would it be a bad time to mention I still like the design of the original eldar phantom better

In defense of both sides, A it would be nice to hear about things a bit further in advance, definitely. It makes for more goodwill and more interest from the fanbase. On the other hand though, GW does mitigate it's pr risks by staying clammed shut. It also eliminates any possible positive buzz on the other side of the coin.

Still, I think we can all agree, more news keeps us interested and involved. Even if it's just to argue about it lol.

Cadaver wrote:

Darth Bob wrote:Didn't I just say that in the first reply to this thread? :\

Sigh...

*Goes and sulks in the corner.*

Oh come on, don't sulk! I was just asking if anything else was mentioned besides what you said about it likely having a focus on Tzeentch and Slaanesh. Honestly, I'm really more of a Khorne and Nurgle fan, but with the amazingness that FW does I might jump on board for a few units of those other two Gods, even if they aren't my faves. I'd especially like to see a variety of daemon engines for all the Gods from Chaos. Might give GW a few ideas on how to think outside the box when it comes to making a daemon army for 40k.

Haha, he said they're honestly not sure what would come out as far as Chaos stuff in the future. But he said its for sure going to be Tzeentch and Slaanesh. If I had to guess, I would bet on some conversion kits for marines and termies, and maybe a new DP for each god. But that's pure speculation on my part.

Come to think of it, they blew a good opportunity to do a Slaanesh vs. Eldar campaign for IA11. But nope, Space Puppies are more important than the Porn Marines.

MajorTom11 wrote:Lol Kan would it be a bad time to mention I still like the design of the original eldar phantom better

Honestly, until we get better detail shots of the Phantom, I'm going to have to agree with you. I love the old Armorcast Phantom. Probably the only model they put out that still sits well with the current models in terms of appearance.

Kroothawk wrote:It will include a Phantom Titan around Xmas,

Do want!
____

Darth Bob wrote:Also, they apparently do plan on making a Warlord Titan...but we shouldn't expect anything of it for at least two years.

OK. Tho, to be honest, if GW were to say "plastic Warhound Titan", that'd be far more exciting to me.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Darth Bob wrote:Also, they apparently do plan on making a Warlord Titan...but we shouldn't expect anything of it for at least two years.

OK. Tho, to be honest, if GW were to say "plastic Warhound Titan", that'd be far more exciting to me.

I'm going to have to agree with you whole-heartedly on that.

MajorTom11 wrote:Lol Kan would it be a bad time to mention I still like the design of the original eldar phantom better

Of course not! It's personal preferences. For example:
I loathe Cadian models built straight out of the box or with Pig Iron stuff. Add in the Forge World respirator kits though...and my gods. Some of the best models I've ever laid eyes on. Something about that faceless anonymity they get from the full visored faces makes them seem...more right.

I want that Phantom.

But hell, I've had a Revenant for a year and I still haven't even taken it out of the bag! Haha. I need to just pay someone to assemble and paint that thing. I am have too many models to paint as is.

So there were a bunch of SC models? Cool, any pics?

Reecius wrote:I want that Phantom.

But hell, I've had a Revenant for a year and I still haven't even taken it out of the bag! Haha. I need to just pay someone to assemble and paint that thing. I am have too many models to paint as is.

So there were a bunch of SC models? Cool, any pics?

I'll take that Revenant off your hands .

Sevrin Loth, Librarian of the Red Scorpions (and Honor Guard)


Lugft Huron (Huron Blackheart)


I want twelve.

Darth Bob wrote:

Haha, he said they're honestly not sure what would come out as far as Chaos stuff in the future. But he said its for sure going to be Tzeentch and Slaanesh. If I had to guess, I would bet on some conversion kits for marines and termies, and maybe a new DP for each god. But that's pure speculation on my part.

Come to think of it, they blew a good opportunity to do a Slaanesh vs. Eldar campaign for IA11. But nope, Space Puppies are more important than the Porn Marines.

Well that's honestly exactly what I would expect as well. It seems like a no-brainer for them to do Noise Marine and Thousand Sons power armored and terminator kits, along with princes. However, I'd really like to see conversion kits for princes based off the new plastic daemon prince kit. It's a bit of a stretch, but I think it could be really cool. One can also hope for daemon engines like the Blight Drone and Blood Slaughterer models that they did for Nurgle and Khorne. The mind boggles at the possibilities for a Slaanesh daemon engine.

I'd also like for them to just bypass GW and put out a decent Chaos list that incorporates Chaos marines and real daemons again. I know they tend to follow GW in terms of army composition in their books, but as a Chaos player it's hard to get behind the current Chaos related codexes, just because they are so bland in comparison to most of the newer 5th edition books.

Darth Bob wrote:Even the Forge World representative giving the presentation was like "I know...I know...but the head of GW happens to be a Space Wolf player."

Well that would explain a lot.


I don't really care much for TWC, since I don't really use them, unless of course the models end up being just so awesome they convince me to take them.

The upcoming IA releases sound good though.

NELS1031 wrote:

Blizzard is infamous for not putting release dates on things until they are absolutely certain everything is a go, I think that is what he's trying to say. They never start a patch/expansion for their games and give it a release date. "Soon" or "When its ready" could both be trademarked by Blizz.

And Blizzard is pretty secretive. Look for details on their next gen mmo thats been in the works twice as long as the 40k MMO for confirmation on that. Hell, everyone thought "The Emerald Dream" would be the expansion after Lich King and they revealed Cataclysm. When they revealed that both Starcraft II and Diablo III were in the works, they were secretive up until it was official on their website, offering no comment on what they were working on, although it was fairly obvious at the time (promising a big reveal in Korea where Starcraft is the national pastime).

Why is it so offensive that GW is super secretive, anyway?

Are you talking about blizzard entertainment? The guys that had an open and closed beta for WoW? The company that maintains a persistent test realm for their customers to play with what's coming out next as they're working on it?

They announced Starcraft 2 almost 3 years before they released it.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/790/790128p1.html

http://www.gossipgamers.com/starcraft-2-release-date-delayed-to-2010/

Blizzard's policy would only be comparable to GW's if we heard that they were working on SC2 3 months before it hit the streets because they had to give skus to their retailers.

That Scorpion Librarian looks ace. I do love those FW scorpion heads, combine that with the librarians psychic hood etc it looks awesome.

Mr. Blackheart here looks way better than the GW one imho.

Gitzbitah wrote:

NELS1031 wrote:

Blizzard is infamous for not putting release dates on things until they are absolutely certain everything is a go, I think that is what he's trying to say. They never start a patch/expansion for their games and give it a release date. "Soon" or "When its ready" could both be trademarked by Blizz.

And Blizzard is pretty secretive. Look for details on their next gen mmo thats been in the works twice as long as the 40k MMO for confirmation on that. Hell, everyone thought "The Emerald Dream" would be the expansion after Lich King and they revealed Cataclysm. When they revealed that both Starcraft II and Diablo III were in the works, they were secretive up until it was official on their website, offering no comment on what they were working on, although it was fairly obvious at the time (promising a big reveal in Korea where Starcraft is the national pastime).

Why is it so offensive that GW is super secretive, anyway?

Are you talking about blizzard entertainment? The guys that had an open and closed beta for WoW? The company that maintains a persistent test realm for their customers to play with what's coming out next as they're working on it?

They announced Starcraft 2 almost 3 years before they released it.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/790/790128p1.html

http://www.gossipgamers.com/starcraft-2-release-date-delayed-to-2010/

Blizzard's policy would only be comparable to GW's if we heard that they were working on SC2 3 months before it hit the streets because they had to give skus to their retailers.

I either wasn't clear on my point or you missed the point. Maybe both. Not really trying to compare Blizz and GW, just saying that companies use their own levels of secrecy and go by their own release schedule, maybe not to the extent of GW, but different rules for different industries. Regardless, there is another thread to take this OT stuff away from this discussion.

Well, here I was and tried to make a Non-Space Marine news thread and what do I get? Two pages discussion on Space Wolves, Scorpion Librarians, 1000k Sons books and some repetitive GW information policy bashing.

Nobody excited about the Eldar news? About FW doing Inquisition/Sororitas? About anything on topic?

Chances are Elysians will be raped yet again.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I went to Dan Abnett's seminar and here's what I got.

Prospero Burns is the HH sequel to 1000 Sons, told from a Space Wolf perspective.
SPOILER! Magnus turns to chaos!
There is an end in site for the HH series, he talked about doing the final battle as a trilogy by 3 different authors telling the same story from different points of view. But there are a lot of twists between now and then.
SPOILER! Horus may turn to chaos!
THe current Gaunt's Ghosts arc is NOT the last one, it is called Victory but he won't say whose. It will run 4 books and he has at least 1 or 2 after.
BL will launch a new online magazine called Hammer and BOlter (IIRC) which is similar to the old Inferno mag. The first issue at least is free and will mix new and established BL authors.
Eisenhorn will get a book of short stories, then he will start work on Ravenor vs Eisenhorn next year (much applause at that).

All of this makes me very happy indeed! I used to love Inferno! magazine, so looking forward to seeing this new one...

Kroothawk wrote:About FW doing Inquisition/Sororitas?

Forge World maybe releasing something 12-16 months from now isn't really that exciting. What the Sisters need is plastics.

Kroothawk wrote:Nobody excited about the Eldar news?

Hell yeah!

Even although I've only nearly managed to complete 1 of the two Revenants I have, I'm still going to start saving just now for the Phantom.

Yipee!

Nobody excited about the Eldar news?

I am looking forward to seeing what they offer. It would be cool to see them do a few Eldar charactors or maybe do some updates on the aspect warriors since GW seems to be ignoring the fact that most are still metal heh.

redbristles wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I went to Dan Abnett's seminar and here's what I got.

Prospero Burns is the HH sequel to 1000 Sons, told from a Space Wolf perspective.
SPOILER! Magnus turns to chaos!
There is an end in site for the HH series, he talked about doing the final battle as a trilogy by 3 different authors telling the same story from different points of view. But there are a lot of twists between now and then.
SPOILER! Horus may turn to chaos!
THe current Gaunt's Ghosts arc is NOT the last one, it is called Victory but he won't say whose. It will run 4 books and he has at least 1 or 2 after.
BL will launch a new online magazine called Hammer and BOlter (IIRC) which is similar to the old Inferno mag. The first issue at least is free and will mix new and established BL authors.
Eisenhorn will get a book of short stories, then he will start work on Ravenor vs Eisenhorn next year (much applause at that).

All of this makes me very happy indeed! I used to love Inferno! magazine, so looking forward to seeing this new one...

The magazine will be in electronic format, there's more details in the Black library thread.

Woo, more Orky goodness, bring it on! I only just got IA8 for my bday too.
Grot baneblade kinda thing sounds cool.

Kanluwen wrote:Fingers crossed for 'arctic' kit Elysians/Cadians!
Maybe even some cold-weather sniper models?

Gee, I sure hope not. I could think of a dozen things I'd rather have as an Elysian collector, like Storm Troopers, Commissars, and maybe even a special character or two. Though to be honest I'll buy whatever they cook up for them.

BrookM wrote:Chances are Elysians will be raped yet again.

I can already see it now. Farseer taking out squadrons of Valkyries mid air with their minds. Platoons of Elysians being cut down by Rangers. Maybe even have the commander eaten alive by an Avatar. No respect I tells ya.

Neat. Maybe we'll get a daemonic possession kit...Or not

Huron blackheart is coming? Does he still have the hand-held heavy flamer?

Raxor wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Fingers crossed for 'arctic' kit Elysians/Cadians!
Maybe even some cold-weather sniper models?

Gee, I sure hope not. I could think of a dozen things I'd rather have as an Elysian collector, like Storm Troopers, Commissars, and maybe even a special character or two. Though to be honest I'll buy whatever they cook up for them.

Pft, you've got Elysian special characters in IA8!

The problem is they're equipped like the normal Elysians.

Still, cold-weather gear could be pretty sweet.

Now, when they say the Eldar Phantom Titan will be ready for xmas......

Which one 2010 or 2011?

JohnHwangDD wrote:
OK. Tho, to be honest, if GW were to say "plastic Warhound Titan", that'd be far more exciting to me.

That would be boss, though I'd be just as happy with "Plastic Thunderhawk."

And was there anything else about the new Necron model? I'm pretty excited about that.

Raxor wrote:

BrookM wrote:Chances are Elysians will be raped yet again.

I can already see it now. Farseer taking out squadrons of Valkyries mid air with their minds. Platoons of Elysians being cut down by Rangers. Maybe even have the commander eaten alive by an Avatar. No respect I tells ya.

Well maybe they should use the cadians as cannon fodder! After all one army uses conscripts while the other is a high mobile elite stikre force!

But yes seeing this is a xenos FW book, and then seeing all the xeno FW book before (all with elysians!) its gonna be a real shocker if the imperium loses

Another bit I just remembered, some new art books are coming next year from the BL.

Cool, Sisters stuff. I hope it's something brand new that we haven't seen before.


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AlexHolker wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:About FW doing Inquisition/Sororitas?

Forge World maybe releasing something 12-16 months from now isn't really that exciting. What the Sisters need is plastics.

Dude we've been waiting this long, I think we can wait a few more months.

When's GD UK? I wanna see the new Cron. badly.

Flachzange wrote:That Scorpion Librarian looks ace. I do love those FW scorpion heads, combine that with the librarians psychic hood etc it looks awesome.

Mr. Blackheart here looks way better than the GW one imho.

1) That wasn't hard to do!

2) To be fair, this is pre-hit in the face with a melta shot...

Plasma shot.

I cant wait for the Badab book and the resin thosand sons and resin noise marines , cuase they did Bezerkers and plauge marines , and i imagen a pre mechanical huron model.

Ugh. I think I'm getting out of the hobby. I drew the short straw and rolled 6 1s on the army I ended up liking. I mean, I picked the Tau, and in a game where the designers have claimed that "Close combat is Fun!" I chose one of the armies where it is not fun. Ever. Most of my guys strike at the same time as Necrons. I should have picked space marines like everybody else.


It seems like "Games Day" is really just "Forge World Announcements". I don't want to have to either drive for over 12 hours to buy forgeworld stuff at a bunker (take your pick, Memphis and Baltimore are equidistant to where I live, with Baltimore being slightly closer IIRC). I don't want to play apocalypse games. Normal games are annoying enough to set up. And when it can take over an hour per turn, that's starting to get silly.

And Forgeworld stuff feels 'unofficial'. Yeah, they're owned by GW. But XV9s ain't in the Tau codex, so you get some people who won't let you play them as XV9s. And Forgeworld products are a bit more than I'm willing to pay.

Having been playing for almost 2 years, I have to say I'm pretty disappointed. I know there are people who have played for 10+ years and "Back in your day, you had 1 piece metal models, walked to school barefoot through minefields and razorwire covered in 10 feet of snow up hill both ways through gale-force rain and hail" but I didn't so I don't really care.

Its annoying that GW hasn't said anything about the Dark Eldar (an army I was wanting to get into, because they are supposed to be Radical Good Speed and good in Close Combat-which is the "most fun part of the game"). I can kind of understand why they aren't, but I'm really just tired of it raining $100 bills for Space Marine (and Forgeworld) players and me reaching out and catching a turd in the face.

Gitzbitah wrote:They announced Starcraft 2 almost 3 years before they released it.

like Duke Nukem Forever...


Just imagine if Dark Eldars are "going to be released" for the next decade, then quietly buried...

like the Squats.

Kanluwen wrote:Plasma shot.

No, I'm fairly sure it was a melta shot, from a combi-melta actually.

Either way, neither is going to do your complexion any good!

Trevak Dal wrote:Ugh. I think I'm getting out of the hobby. I drew the short straw and rolled 6 1s on the army I ended up liking. I mean, I picked the Tau, and in a game where the designers have claimed that "Close combat is Fun!" I chose one of the armies where it is not fun. Ever. Most of my guys strike at the same time as Necrons. I should have picked space marines like everybody else.

Try farsight with a maxed out crisis suits and sheild drones. My buddy's tau army routinely smacked down my bezerkers with that layout.

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Plasma shot.

No, I'm fairly sure it was a melta shot, from a combi-melta actually.

Either way, neither is going to do your complexion any good!

Melta blast, says so in City Fight, Index Astartes 4 and Cities of Death.

Calling shenanigans!

This is a thread discussion non-Badab War news from Gamesday, not a live journal. Aside from new stuff, what games were being played at Gamesday? Any Apocalypse scenarios?

Alpharius wrote:

Flachzange wrote:That Scorpion Librarian looks ace. I do love those FW scorpion heads, combine that with the librarians psychic hood etc it looks awesome.

Mr. Blackheart here looks way better than the GW one imho.

1) That wasn't hard to do!

2) To be fair, this is pre-hit in the face with a melta shot...

I guess you have a valid point.
Looking forward to some FW crons hah!

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Trevak Dal wrote:Ugh. I think I'm getting out of the hobby. I drew the short straw and rolled 6 1s on the army I ended up liking. I mean, I picked the Tau, and in a game where the designers have claimed that "Close combat is Fun!" I chose one of the armies where it is not fun. Ever. Most of my guys strike at the same time as Necrons. I should have picked space marines like everybody else.

Try farsight with a maxed out crisis suits and sheild drones. My buddy's tau army routinely smacked down my bezerkers with that layout.

I wouldn't say that's the worst advice you could give a Tau player, but it's pretty damn close.

"You know all that stuff in your army that's actually good? Pathfinders, piranhas, broadsides and hammerheads? Yeah, don't take any of them, just max out on crisis suits and suicide them all in close combat!"

If you want a close combat army, pick a different army, don't try to make Tau into something they're not. You'll just end up wasting even more money and really want to quit the hobby for good.

Any pics of that Necron model?

Thanatos_elNyx wrote:Any pics of that Necron model?

No, he said it would be shown at Games Day UK. However, he did confirm that there will be one and it is quote "Very cool."

Darth Bob wrote:No, he said it would be shown at Games Day UK. However, he did confirm that there will be one and it is quote "Very cool."

Thank god they gave out some product information at their own tradeshow eh?

Darth Bob wrote:

No, he said it would be shown at Games Day UK. However, he did confirm that there will be one and it is quote "Very cool."

Wait did he say it would be 'very cool' or did he say it would be a Necron model?

Kanluwen wrote:Calling shenanigans!

First I totally schooled you on the Red Scorpions Honor Guard thing (Novamarines? Please!).

Now I just pwned you on Huron.

One more and you won't be able to show your face around here anymore!

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Calling shenanigans!

First I totally schooled you on the Red Scorpions Honor Guard thing (Novamarines? Please!).

Now I just pwned you on Huron.

One more and you won't be able to show your face around here anymore!

I said nothing about Novamarines, you're getting confused old man.

Just to throw it in your face, here's my exact quote from the explanations...

Kanluwen wrote:Shoulder Right Side Honor Guard Newsletter works too, using those same letters now don't it?

But again:
Red Scorpions are a pretty complete line-up, as it stands now. And the fact that IA8 was Raven Guard makes me think they know they've done all they can for 'em, outside of releasing Chapter specific Scouts(which'd be silly to do, since Scouts are Scouts...the difference is in the training and veterancy make-up of Chapters' Scout corps). The fact that we're also getting "generic" ancient styles of armor lends credence to that, as they realize people aren't really interested in scraping symbols off anymore.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Wait did he say it would be 'very cool' or did he say it would be a Necron model?

He said all of that. Necron, and very cool.

Bah! Whatever - that quote of yours just confirms my pwnership of you!

Don't make me get the red hot pokers...

Fair enough!

Alls I know is I want cold-weather geared Elysians. And then, Alpharius...then Echo Base will be ready to repel the Eldar walkers at Station Seven-Eight.

dienekes96 wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Wait did he say it would be 'very cool' or did he say it would be a Necron model?

He said all of that. Necron, and very cool.

I don't get it.

I always thought you could have one but not the other.

Alpharius wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Calling shenanigans!

First I totally schooled you on the Red Scorpions Honor Guard thing (Novamarines? Please!).

Now I just pwned you on Huron.

One more and you won't be able to show your face around here anymore!

Please don't tease us with such fantasies Alpharius.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

dienekes96 wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Wait did he say it would be 'very cool' or did he say it would be a Necron model?

He said all of that. Necron, and very cool.

I don't get it.

I always thought you could have one but not the other.

Apparently dreams do come true .

Holy gak, those Forge World Marines are the business! Those guys look awesome!

Hang on are SoB becoming FW only? (resin minis = $$$) or just some 'releases'? As they'd need ya know like an army or codex or *something* beforehand...

Phototoxin wrote:Hang on are SoB becoming FW only? (resin minis = $$$) or just some 'releases'? As they'd need ya know like an army or codex or *something* beforehand...

Whoa - settle down!

SoB's are not going to be...

...er, actually, while I highly doubt it, who knows for sure?

I'd bet the upcoming GK Codex will be a test bed to determine the viability of such 'fringe' factions and whether or not they can support, or even warrant, a full release.

Phototoxin wrote:Hang on are SoB becoming FW only? (resin minis = $$$) or just some 'releases'? As they'd need ya know like an army or codex or *something* beforehand...

For Canadians (and probably Australians) sisters just might become cheaper in resin.

And they will look better, all that would be missing is up to date official rules, or the old downloadable ones.

Resin, eh? Well, they are a specialist army, I guess. So are GK really. Resin makes sense. Sort of like Dkok.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Resin, eh? Well, they are a specialist army, I guess. So are GK really. Resin makes sense. Sort of like Dkok.

except everybody friggin LOVES Death Korps!

(once again brings up the disgruntled IG players stance on catachan sets vs other regiments)

Samus_aran115 wrote:Resin, eh? Well, they are a specialist army, I guess.

Their basic troops costing as much per model as Space Marine Command Squads doesn't help. Release two plastic boxes (one for Celestians/Battle Sisters/Retributors and one for Seraphim), and we'd be set. Then Forge World could release conversion kits to their hearts content.

Yeah. That's about all they need. Seraphims and Sisters in plastic with quality like the Sanguinary Guard Kits. Lots of options and bitz. The blood angel kits should serve as a new standard for GW kits. They're wonderful.

It would really take no effort at all on GW's part.

And that's probably how much effort they will exert.

Personally I'm hoping for a BP+CCW kit for the Celestian squad, and rules to that effect as well (or at least Sarisssas that don't suck).

same with GK and inquisitors I suppose

GK: Grey Knight Squad and Grey Knight Terminator Squad (possibly a GK Vehicle Accessory Sprue?). Modeled like as said the BA or the SW sets loaded with bitz

not so much inquisition but would be excellent to have some "generic inquisitor/agent of the imperium" kit with loads of options to have the main 3 ordos and bitz to convert into the squad and then a plastic storm trooper kit for inquisition and IG

Alpharius wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:
I'd bet the upcoming GK Codex will be a test bed to determine the viability of such 'fringe' factions and whether or not they can support, or even warrant, a full release.

it would be a poor litmus because every time a new codex comes out tonnes of people hop the bandwagon anyway. just look at IG.

I just saw the pic of the loyalist Huron and 1 question comes to mind. How come he is in terminator armour whereas traitor Huron is in power armour? Was Huron's terminator armour destroyed after he was melta'd in the face or were the techmarines too busy to rebuild Huron into power armour after he was melta’d in the face? Hopefully the ruleset for chaos in the Badab War book will be pretty decent. Either way it looks like I will be shelling out some money to FW in the near future.

Chaos wasn't involved in The Badab War, so you can keep waiting for them to be involved.

Unless they dramatically rewrite the most basic backgrounds of it.

Phototoxin wrote:Hang on are SoB becoming FW only? (resin minis = $$$) or just some 'releases'? As they'd need ya know like an army or codex or *something* beforehand...

I... huh? I'm not sure where you're getting this, as at the FW seminar SoB were mentioned once (someone asked if FW would revisit the inquisition) and it was said that they had no plans to for the foreseeable future.

EDIT - Oh, Mewiththeface - Yes, that is a wave serpent. Gives you a warm fuzzy feeling, doesn't it?

Chaos was involved in the Badab War. Refusal to tithe is the first step on the path to damnation.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I wish we had, I wore my Dakka shirt but didn't meet anyone new.

John Blanche liked it though.

My big achievements were getting his autographs on my old Realms of CHaos books and complimenting Abnett on his Death's Head II comic from 20 years ago.

When you came up to get your Realm of Chaos books signed was John Blanche talking to a dashing man with long hair and a Gorillaz tshirt?

I talked to a few people they said the idea right now was to rotate Games Day, with an announcement at the end of everyone where the next one would be. Between what sites or how big a cycle would be, they wouldn't say.

20 bucks says the FW Necron release will be this large walker model that has been rumored in the "upcoming" codex. You figure they got the idea from the most recent Terminator army.....

Fishboy wrote:20 bucks says the FW Necron release will be this large walker model that has been rumored in the "upcoming" codex. You figure they got the idea from the most recent Terminator army.....

This guy?

Nope, this one

http://forum54.oli.us/index.php/topic,6440.0.html

M.

Kroothawk wrote:
2.) At GD UK, Will Hayes will present a new Necron model.

I MUST SEE NOW!!!!!

I'm not really sure what is in that first picture on page 2 of this thread, but I'm buying it. I don't even play SM.

@Alex-Yeah that one hehe.

Another reminder that this is a non-Space-Marine thread, so please no comments on Badab War, Huron, Scorpion etc.

Here better pics by Sparianos, posted by t-tauri on Warseer:









... and some info by MajorWesJanson:

The Eldar haven't really been pushed back. Badab was one book, became 2 because it was too long. The Phantom is hopefully out by Christmas, it still needs work, notably a head. Tony wnet into depth about it at the Seminar. Phantom is being made into a master, then they will convert it to resin and work out detailing and how to make it posable, and then set it up for production.

Also mentioned was that the sculpter (Will Hayes?) was slow (then changed to meticulus) and took near 3 months working on the feet. Reaver Titan stuff is on the back burner for now, even though Hayes really wants to do more weapons for it, like a Volcano Cannon, until the Eldar titan is done. Eldar are also getting a light tank, looks kind of like a Falcon cockpit section with winglets and engines, and some troops (aspect warriors?)

They also did a Necron model "impulsively" (apparently the FW guys got drunk and decided to make one, then later realized there was nowhere to put it in any upcoming books ) and Tony liked the Grot tanks so much that they made a Grot supertank, looks like an old Ironclad ship. Cylindrical turrets with 2 guns each in the front and back, large prow, sponsons with big shootas, topside turret with a grot using a telescope, and a tall mast. Turrets and guns are interchangable, maybe even with the grot tanks.

The Eldar stuff is looking awesome, but that Grot super tank is a little lacking. I hope they can do more with it. Its a shame they couldn't find away to bring some degree of the asymmetry of the Falcon into that light tank, that was always something I appreciated when pulled off with the eldar.

I don't like that Eldar skimmer. The tail is ugly and the attachments for the weapons and fins look distinctly un-Eldar-y.

The grot land battleship looks good, though.

Kroothawk wrote:

The Eldar mini-skimmer just isn't right. Too many surface and edge breaks -- it's like something cobbled together, and very lacking in organics. Plus, the engines aren't even present with upper hull intakes. Overall, it's a very disappointing exercise in cobbling Eldar "Type 2" elements together.

The Phantom is nice, and I look forward to seeing it reach completion.

hm, phatom is good though i'd much like those reaver weapons. HOPEFULLY they'll release the other tyranid bio titans

JohnHwangDD wrote:The Eldar mini-skimmer just isn't right. Too many surface and edge breaks -- it's like something cobbled together, and very lacking in organics. Plus, the engines aren't even present with upper hull intakes. Overall, it's a very disappointing exercise in cobbling Eldar "Type 2" elements together.

I agree: The skimmer looks a bit like my first attempt to use everything in my Eldar bitz box ... before I realize that I forgot the engine
Better convert the Vyper to have a closed hull than shrink the Falcon wings.
Personally, I also don't like the look of all Eldar Titans so far. Still looking for a chassis to put my old Epicast Farseer Titan head on.
Well, guess I will go on using EVAs.

Small tidbit on Forge World Fantasy:

WilhelmRochRedDuke at Warseer wrote:It was asked to the designers personally and in the seminar and the response was that The fantasy group is entirely seperate from the 40K side. The group will be announcing stuff within the next few months and it will be releasing small amounts of fantasy with the possibility of some scenery pieces. The scenery that they produce are not always cost effective.

... and another one by Warseer mod PhilBrad (GW's reaction to FW stealing the show on GD Baltimore):

GW email answer wrote:There are no Forge World Seminars planned for UK Games Day.

Kroothawk wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:The Eldar mini-skimmer just isn't right. Too many surface and edge breaks -- it's like something cobbled together, and very lacking in organics. Plus, the engines aren't even present with upper hull intakes. Overall, it's a very disappointing exercise in cobbling Eldar "Type 2" elements together.

I agree: The skimmer looks a bit like my first attempt to use everything in my Eldar bitz box ... before I realize that I forgot the engine
Better convert the Vyper to have a closed hull than shrink the Falcon wings.
Personally, I also don't like the look of all Eldar Titans so far. Still looking for a chassis to put my old Epicast Farseer Titan head on.
Well, guess I will go on using EVAs.

I want to third this opinion. I really WANT to like it, but... it just looks too flimsy and weird. Like someone's 10 year old built it.

The tiny Eldar Tank was talked about being a "Light Tank"

Anarchyman99 wrote:The tiny Eldar Tank was talked about being a "Light Tank"

I'll say. Leaving the engine out really reduces the weight.

EDIT:

Okay, also non-SM news. Golden Daemon.

May I just say, Holy gak?



This is ludicrously awesome.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

The Eldar mini-skimmer just isn't right. Too many surface and edge breaks -- it's like something cobbled together, and very lacking in organics. Plus, the engines aren't even present with upper hull intakes. Overall, it's a very disappointing exercise in cobbling Eldar "Type 2" elements together.

The Phantom is nice, and I look forward to seeing it reach completion.

Have to agree -- those little aileron thingies attached by bit of plastic rod on the trailing edges of the wings look like an amateurish conversion. I don't know aeronautics, but seeings how those pieces would presumably spin on the plasticard rod, I'm not sure what kind of steering they would provide. I think that would help with a barrel roll, but nothing else?

I'll assume that there is a single underslung engine. This would be enough for such a small vehicle, but if the other eldar tanks are already "fast," what role does that leave for this lil guy? Is it just an expensive, resin Vyper?

I do like the whimsical goldfish shaped body. If it wasn't going to cost $50, I might have bought one.

meh i like it

I usually love all the eldar stuff, but that light eldar tank just doesn't do it for me. Why not just make an uber vyper or something. or better yet, put out those new crotch rocket jectbikes that have been floating around for the last like 2 years.

I get an odd feeling that it's not really meant to be "speedy", but it'll be a weird kind of up-armored weapons platform.

SpacePanzee wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

The Eldar mini-skimmer just isn't right. Too many surface and edge breaks -- it's like something cobbled together, and very lacking in organics. Plus, the engines aren't even present with upper hull intakes. Overall, it's a very disappointing exercise in cobbling Eldar "Type 2" elements together.

The Phantom is nice, and I look forward to seeing it reach completion.

Have to agree -- those little aileron thingies attached by bit of plastic rod on the trailing edges of the wings look like an amateurish conversion. I don't know aeronautics, but seeings how those pieces would presumably spin on the plasticard rod, I'm not sure what kind of steering they would provide. I think that would help with a barrel roll, but nothing else?

I'll assume that there is a single underslung engine. This would be enough for such a small vehicle, but if the other eldar tanks are already "fast," what role does that leave for this lil guy? Is it just an expensive, resin Vyper?

I do like the whimsical goldfish shaped body. If it wasn't going to cost $50, I might have bought one.

if they put engine nacelles just above the backs of the wings under the guns it could look pretty good however.

I think it'll have a single engine, centred underneath the main body.

this is all I think of when I see that Eldar tank...

Kroothawk wrote:

I think the eldar tank looks epic. You can see an engine underneath the main part of the craft.

Scottywan82 wrote:

Anarchyman99 wrote:The tiny Eldar Tank was talked about being a "Light Tank"

I'll say. Leaving the engine out really reduces the weight.

EDIT:

Okay, also non-SM news. Golden Daemon.

May I just say, Holy gak?



This is ludicrously awesome.

Honestly, I feel like this deserved to swap with what won Silver. Part of it is probably because I absolutely hate Archaon conversions, especially to Empire Generals, but also partially because I think the freehand on the shield is somewhat lacking. Natalya Melnik's Teclis that won Silver was better, IMHO. Still, the freehand on the barding was beautiful...

Lol. FW people should get drunk more often! Mental note; spend money on beer next time I visit GW HQ.

I dont know why, but i love the Eldar stuff. And since my gf plays them.. happy Eldar buying.

Cheers all

Grimstonefire wrote:Lol. FW people should get drunk more often! Mental note; spend money on beer next time I visit GW HQ.

Bugmans bar.

If the Necron model is as good as I'm hoping, it will be the first FW thing I buy.

i still say the eldar light skimmer looks alright. as for the necron thing i'm hoping for the Obelisk as it's cool

I just hope FW shows some creativity with weaponry for the eldar phantom.. Imperial titans get like 10+ types of interesting weapons. Id be a bit dissapointed if the Phantom gets 1 weapon, IE a bigger pulsar, IE a bigger prism cannon, IE a bigger starcannon

And please someone tell them the reaper launchers on the revenant serve no purpose :( so please nothing like that for the phantom..( Its like giving the warhound a single heavy bolter

I do like the light skimmer tank minus the weird fin things on the back.. Its similar to the vehicle I designed for my Eldar campaign

I think the skimmer has conversion potential in combination with a vyper. I expect GW has told FW that they can't touch the jetbike. They could have done a cool vyper conversion though or taken their design cue from the vyper. it's a goodwin piece so can't go wrong with trying something like that. It just looks a bit awkward, the new eldar walkers are genius for example and in comparison this just looks out of place. somebody did a conversion of a vyper once with d-cannons on the side and it looked amazing and they gave it some extra bulk. something like that would have been cool.

I think forgeworld listenend to people who thought about their superheavy turrets being converted to something else and saw a market.

Since we're on Dakka Dakka, some Ork clarification:

For the record, the Grot Megatank will be out within a month.

The orks are on the same vague schedule as Chaos, though they will visit the other clans as stated at the start of IA:8.

I pointed out to the speaker at the booth that the Grot Bomb Launcha needed some kind of weapon; a slugga, anything, in order to be anything more than a uselessly tankshockless vehicle after the launch. A look of realization came over his face. "Oh! Oh yes, I see what you mean! I'll bring it up." So I hope they may fix it sometime soon. You know, that way someone might buy the model.

- I was the guy waiving his arms that he asked if I needed to go to the toilet. (I was just excited about Bad Moons and Lamentors)

I like the light skimmer except for the guns- they look too large.

So I guess what I mean is I like it as something other than a tank. If Forgeworld made a spin-off to 40K where everybody in the universe solved their conflicts through epic and violent speeder races, this piece would be a perfect fit for it.