One of my favorite aspects of Warhammer 40k is the Horus Heresy, 10,000 years ago all the baddest of bad guys were good guys. I've read all the Horus Heresy books and have the hardback Collected Visions, which is fantastic. I've wanted a Heresy army for a long time and am finally pulling the trigger. If you are doing a Heresy Era army, its got to be traitor. I was leaning Word Bearers for a while, like the dark gray armor and the fact the are the original heretics. I just couldn't get into painting gray. Just finished a Whitescars army so white isn't an option. That nixes World Eaters, Death Guard, and Luna Wolves. Don't like puke green so Sons of Horus are out. I like purple so I looked into Emperors Children. These are certainly the snobs of the Space Marines and I don't really like anything about them. Thing is I've never painted purple and found a combination I like so here we are. Im rambling, on to the project.

Im basing the army as much on the Collected Visions book as I can. All vehicles, speeders, and dreads are the old school Rogue Trader models, thank you ebay. Im making a Mechanicum team, it will "count as" something, probably a Devastator Squad. I have a ton of bits. A metric ton of bits. I can make 14 marines in Heresy era armor using plastics and some CSM bits with more to come. Only the elite units will have the chest eagle. That seems like something a group of elitists would do. The terminators will be the "Justerean" models in the book. Little plasticard and lots of luck. Not getting Forgeworld marines unless its absolutely necessary. I know we have an expensive hobby, but those are too much. Especially for an entire army. Having said that, I will be using Forgeworld Pre Heresy weapons and max mini jump packs. The bases will be tiles. The test mini has a light, sand color tile. I am using Hardcoat to simulate a polished surface. Im not sold on the color, but will see how it looks. The army will be an ill fated loyalist faction which was sent to Istvaan III. All together the army should have a Heresy Era feel. I don't want just another purple marine army.

As always, input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for looking.

Looking good! I would like to see you find a way to get that Aquilla on their chest plates. The terminator looks very true to the time period. I am definitely going to follow this thread.

Note that the Emperor's children did not have the so-called Justaerin Terminators. Just to clear it up, Justaerin was a term used strictly for Falkus "Widowmaker" Kibre's Terminator squad from the Luna Wolves\Sons of Horus Legion. Also, the Aquila was the Emperor's Children's signature look bestowed then by The Emperor, beloved by all. So even their lowest battle-brother would have it on their chest. (Sorry, I can't help it. I'm a Horus Heresy fluff nut Disregard this is you're not going 100% fluff )

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Great job on the marine. The mix of parts is perfect and the purple is quite exceptional. Looking good, can't wait to see the finished army.

undivided wrote: Also, the Aquila was the Emperor's Children's signature look bestowed then by The Emperor, beloved by all. So even their lowest battle-brother would have it on their chest. (Sorry, I can't help it. I'm a Horus Heresy fluff nut Disregard this is you're not going 100% fluff )

Actually since he said Heresy era that would mean the aquila was gone from their chest. As per the models, the shoulder pads are a little bit honestly. Look into the ones from Maxmini I believe as those would fit perfect.

Empchild wrote:

undivided wrote: Also, the Aquila was the Emperor's Children's signature look bestowed then by The Emperor, beloved by all. So even their lowest battle-brother would have it on their chest. (Sorry, I can't help it. I'm a Horus Heresy fluff nut Disregard this is you're not going 100% fluff )

Actually since he said Heresy era that would mean the aquila was gone from their chest.

Well he did say that he'd be doing the Loyalists on Istvaan III. Also, the first to remove the Aquila from his armor was their Primarch himself, Fulgrim, prior to the Dropsite Massacre on Istvaan V.

I like the terminator.

Thanks for the compliments and discussion guys. Granted the Collected Visions book is a little loose with its illustration titles, but there are Justaerin Terminator pictures in Emperor Children colors. Also many many pics where they do not wear the Aquilla. Thats the cool thing about the Heresy Era Legions, they were very powerful but appeared have no consistency in armor, weapons, or even equipment. I think the novels are the official history, though.

Got a little work done. I switched the base to a lighter tile. I read the novel a while ago, but I think the people on Istvaan III were pretty advanced and had a mystical looking city. Hence the grayish white tile. I may change up again. The leather pieces on the terminator broke while I was painting him, going to have to be more carefull. I think the marines are looking fairly Heresy Era. The Forgeworld weapons will really help out.

Like the look of the minis, and it's always nice to have an army with a story behind it! Just a small crit on the termie: The tassles on the shoulder look a bit weird being all straight; you can easily bend plasticard when heated (a hairdryer or a candle will do the trick); I feel it would add a nice touch to complete the model.

Nice stuff! The FW weapons really add to the heresy feel.

Another quick update on the first Predator, very WIP. And thanks for the advice on the plasticard, CommissarKhaine. The second sponson needed some work so I took it off. These Rogue Trader plastic/metal hybrids are a handful.

I almost finished the Predator, still no 2nd sponson. Still need to clean up a few stray brush strokes. There is a group shot and you can see how the models look together with the tile bases. I think its working out so far. The first 5 marines are also co plete, the Forgeworld weapons are just right. Im going to re-think how to make the terminators. Anyway....

Lookin good! And I agree the old minis can be hell.. I still have a 2nd ed. Pred (the one with the round turret) and I fondly remember the amount of cursing involved in putting it together... I always loved the old dozer blades though!

Rawr. Nice work. Must say I've never seen purple marines before (then again I don't know much about marines in the first place).

I always love seeing the FW parts that get used, too bad it is a pain to acquire the parts without jumping through hoops on my end.

Any opinions on the bases?

Empchild wrote:

undivided wrote: Also, the Aquila was the Emperor's Children's signature look bestowed then by The Emperor, beloved by all. So even their lowest battle-brother would have it on their chest. (Sorry, I can't help it. I'm a Horus Heresy fluff nut Disregard this is you're not going 100% fluff )

Actually since he said Heresy era that would mean the aquila was gone from their chest. As per the models, the shoulder pads are a little bit honestly. Look into the ones from Maxmini I believe as those would fit perfect.

I am hersey and prehersey fluff nut XD.
But yes Emperors Childern need their symbols almost everywhere. They are very well pretty chapter. They are always wearing full battle accomendations. So You need to load them with full honors, even during the hersey.

I have a bunch of Dark Angel stuff left over from a Fallen project which didnt go my way. Im thinking the wings can be converted to cooler Emperors Children symbols. Im holding off on tricking out the models until I set exactly how the entire army will look. All you guys are right, simply throwing purple on these guys doesn't make them E.C..

40kFSU wrote:Any opinions on the bases?

Sorry, but they kind of look like bathroom floor tile to me...they don't look bad but that's just what they remind me of.

For a person like me, a base needs to fill only a few criteria

1) If I put a ( topheavy mini name here ) on the base, will it tip over.
2) Will it interfere with other players due to shape change or whatever.
3) Is it going to break if I accidentily drop it.

Sorry I am no good judge of bases unless I have the mini in hand

Ugh, bathroom tile? Thats not very Astarte-ish. Ill have to take a look at it. Maybe the band could do with another color. Thanks, thats the kind of feedback I want.

So I made an alternate base color and am trying to decide between the two. First 5 members of the assault squad are done as is the first tactical squad leader and 2 objective markers. I put a few more touches on the 5 guys I already finished. Extreme highlighting, painted studs, and added the Emperors Children symbol to the left shoulder. I used the transfers from the CSM box. The 2 tactical squads will have the same armor, sternguard squad another style, assault squad a third. Its very bits intensive and Im hunting Ebay for more parts.

The old style jump packs look amazing, compared to the modern counterparts.

So here are the first sergeant and 5 assault marines. I think the look is just right. Given these are the survivors of the virus bomb, Im thinking about using some weathering powder to simulate burns and smoke stains. That may be far down the road, lots more to model and paint.

Really cool army.
I'll keep watching this.

Wow this is great stuff all your armies are fantastic

looking really good hope to see them corrupted by slaanesh soon

Thanks guys, I appreciate the compliments. The vast majority of the army will be E.C., but Im thinking adding a small squad of Luna Wolves using the original color scheme. Kinda reinforcing the idea of a band of survivors getting together to fight. Im thinking of writing a story too.

I think the bases look much better with that grey color. They look like stone now. Your models look great. Really diggin the color scheme.

very very cool.i love the way the terminator turned out.

Great job there mate, love the coif you built on the termi and your purple rocks !

I finished building the Sternguard squad and got them a Razorback. They will have the Forgeworld bolters with the scope. Technically, I know, the Razorback wasn't present in the Heresy, but its a cool model so what the hell. I patterned the armor differently from the Tac and Assault squads still trying to keep with the mix of armor seen in Collected Visions. That black dude is a Forgeworld Tech Priest. I added the big black thing to his back because all the Mechanicum guys in the books have them. He will lead, or be part of, some sort of "counts as" unit. Surely some of those guys were hung out to dry too.

Great work. Love the purple. It's the purple I imagined them to be. I love that you're mixing the era's and armor's. Doing something very similar to my dusk raider project.. only you're considerably further than I am.

What are those awesome vented helms on your assault troops (with the grills at the front) and where did you get them? They're perfect for another project I'm working on!

Monkeh wrote:Great work. Love the purple. It's the purple I imagined them to be. I love that you're mixing the era's and armor's. Doing something very similar to my dusk raider project.. only you're considerably further than I am.

What are those awesome vented helms on your assault troops (with the grills at the front) and where did you get them? They're perfect for another project I'm working on!

Thanks, Ive been watching your Dusk Raiders, you are a madman with the poses and green stuff! The Assault helmets are Black Templars, Ebay bits stores have them. Not sure, but Dark Angels may have a version too.


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bunnygurl wrote:I think the bases look much better with that grey color. They look like stone now. Your models look great. Really diggin the color scheme.

Thanks and thanks for the suggestion.

Does anyone know if the new Storm Raven would be appropriate for Heresy? I don't see anything in the Collected Visions books but all the novels seem to describe gunships.

I doubt it, IIRC when they are reffering to gunships, its either the Thunderhawk or the Stormbird.

btemple0 wrote:I doubt it, IIRC when they are reffering to gunships, its either the Thunderhawk or the Stormbird.

Rats.

What company did you get the older Jump Packs from? I heard it's Maxmini, but I can't find them anywhere on their site :-S

Edit: Never mind, found them!

Storm Raven is after the Heresy, its a new gunship transport derived off the Mark 6 Thunderhawk but smaller and cheaper to build. Its for small unit insertions and combat missions

Small progress. I thought I had finished the first Tactical Squad, but apparently I have forgotten how to count to 10. Still need 1 more guy. The Forgeworld weapons look really cool, I think. There was something about the Sternguard that didnt look right so I switched the arms to CSM, that did the trick.

Ok, Sternguard and Razorback are done. The Mechanicum creep is coming along but I still have some details to pick out. Im gong to wait until all the vehicles are finished before I trick them out with emblems. Ive also got a shot of the loyalists so far. I think I will finish the majority of the army in Emperors Children colors and a World Eaters assault squad and Death Guard tactical squad. Maybe a Sons of Horus, still deciding. I want the army to feel like a bunch of guys who banded together to fight the traitors. I don't want an army in so many colors there is no uniformity. Anyway.....

I really like what you've done! Keep up the awesome

I was wondering if someone out there could help me out with a unit selection. I was mulling 3 options for the Mechanicum guy. First, I could take the easy way and get 4 gun servitors "count as" Devastators. Second, build some mechanized thing and make it "count as" Thunderfire Cannon. Really not to motivated about this one, Im not a good scratch builder. Third is have him lead a Skitarii squad, "counts as" Scouts. I think this would be the most entertaining to build and paint, but Im not sure if the Heresy Era story line supports it. I know there were Titans on Istvaan, and they are supported by Mechanicum ground troops, but I dont remember specifics. Any input would be appreciated.

cool, really liking what you've done here, more and more inspiration for me to get going on my death guard pre heresy army. Though i still have to wait for the bulk of the army to arrive.

lunarghost wrote:cool, really liking what you've done here, more and more inspiration for me to get going on my death guard pre heresy army. Though i still have to wait for the bulk of the army to arrive.

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Are you using Forgeworld models? An army of those guys would look great.

I will more than likely be using a combinartion of forgeworld as vets and sgt. And the other guys will be post heresy armored.

stick to the children, not too many of them around... much like blood angels and salamanders

Absolutely killer. That termie is the best. It wins

I like it. Nice to see the oldschool models too

I've never been a big fan of the old vehicle models, but the models and the paintjobs look REALLY fantastic.

Love it mate well done.

I went through a planning phase for a Pre Heresy Emp Childrens army ages ago. Anyway long story short I scoured the net for any images I could find. There are some great ones out there, but these are really high up there from what I found!

Look forward to seeing more.

Angus

I really appreciate the comments gents. Some of those old models just need a little love. Speaking of which I finished up the Land Raider. It still needs some ornaments, but that will come. The second tactical squad is also finished. One thing about the Terminator, I was just kind of screwing around when I threw him together. Not sure I remember how I did it. Im probably going to make a different version for the squad. Lunarghost and Maliceinthelookingglass (very cool) Ive wanted to do this for years too. Dont know how long yall have been into thehobby, but putting one of these together is like finding a whole new race to play.

Wow great work i will say im not a fan of the old land raider model but you did well with it! and i think you should write a story on these guys that would be cool

So I was a witness to something historical this week. The Dallas Cowboys organization seems to be the first in the history of the NFL to be humiliated in the Superbowl without actually playing in the Superbowl. I almost feel sorry for Jerry. Talk about EVERYTHING going wrong. Sheesh.

So I wasnt going for the Assault squad, they didnt look Heresy-y enough. I added the tabards and painted the gauntlets. Opinions please?
Im also working the Speeder, Terminators, and last 5 assault guys. Ebay bits are enroute!

Nice work, love the land raider!

I finished up the first Jet Bike. Its not the sexiest ride I've seen on Dakka but will have to do for now. Im not a very good scratch builder. The next marine riders are probably going to need some CSM bits. I dont think this rider really fits in. Anyway, here she is with at least 2 more to come so it will be nice and legal.

Forgot the side view.

Land Speeder. Meh.

Everything looks great. The only thing is that during the Heresy the traitor Mechanicum members wore black robes, not red ones.

Great looking army, the jetbike looks fantastic, maybe you could include a few word bearer chaplins.

To be honest I think the Land Raider isn't a good move,I think the up to date Land Raider would be a better choice.

The same with the old Rhinos and Predators.

You had me at "Pre-Heresy"!

VERY nice stuff here - loving it!

Not sure if this has been brought up already, but the only thing I'd change up is the Stormbolter on the Terminator - make it into a Combi-Bolter as that's the Pre-Heresy version for Termis, and you're good to go!

They look better, and I actually prefer the rules too.

Of course, as you're using the SM Codex (or so it appears?), they still are good to serve as Stormbolters too.

Hey Melkhiordakblade (I hope I got that right) are the modern land raiders and rhinos the same as pre-heresy or did rhinos go fro the old school ones to the modern ones? On the cover of Fulgrim I think there might be a modern landspeeder but an old style dreadnuaght whats going on?

GW has retconned some of the older models out of their history, so to speak.

For example, Pre-Heresy Dreadnoughts still look a LOT different from their "Modern Day" counterparts, Land Raiders, a lot less so.

FW makes a rather nice looking Pre-Heresy Land Raider kit, actually...

Great thread, enjoying your work thus far. Love that jetbike Only thing is I would love to see a little more variety in the bases - a cracked tile here, some debris there...

Old is good, ignore the naysayers and go back in time to 1993.

Wow, thanks for all the posts and comments. I agree the old school models are lacking detail and proper scale. Except the Land Raider, sorry I love it. Thing is, Im trying to build the army using the Collected Visions book, so I am kinda screwed into using the Rogue Trader models. One divergence will be the Dreadnought. I have an old RT one, but I cant make it look anything close to cool. Besides, its about the same size as a Terminator. Im going to use the plastic Venerable Dread.

I finished the 3rd Tactical Squad. Again, I used bits to try and make a unique armor style and painted the gauntlets to make them look arcane. I only had enough Heresy bolters for 5 guys. Figured I would get one of the OOP shoulder mounted heavy weapons and use one of the Forgeworld meltas Ive got to round out the squad. Then I read the SM codex and saw the squad has to be 10 strong for the cool weapons. Rats. Ill put the meltas elsewhere. Im almost done, just have to finish the Sternguard, Command Squad, and find a suitable commander. Ive also got the dread and some more tanks and still need 2 more Jet bikes. I guess Im not almost done. Anyway...

Stuff looks good man.

Nice blend of old and new models and FW bits for flavor.

It looks really good but they are wearinng mark 8 style armour and emporers children wore the imperial aquilla on their chest.

These look great! Love the half cyborg head on the captain(?? sorry, don't know much about SMs).

This is just a smal thing but it's anoying me...

The guy on the right's bolt pistol, I see a khorne symbol.


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Holy gak, the pic almost broke dakka. :(

Both bolt pistols have chaos iconagraphy.....

92acclude and Bunnygurl: Thank you, and thats the first time I had the guts to try the cyborg head!

btemple0 and Rose-Mountainz: Gents, I cant believe I never noticed those damn icons.

Moonshine: Yeah, I know the armor looks more contemporary but I am trying to make all the squads look different like the Collected Visions book. I do appreciate the comments.

The Khorne icons are relatively easy to gs into stylised skulls if you don't want to file them down, just run a little strip down the side of the eyes.

As someone else who has recently joined the pre-heresy camp, I'll be watching this with intrest.

Also (and this may have been covered earlier, in which case we can establish that I am a fool), would you mind sharing wehre you got the pre-heresy Jump packs? I've got a feeling I'm going to need a LOT of those.

Love it. Only minor criticism is that the studded shoulder pads used to go on the marine's left shoulder, but they still look great.

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:As someone else who has recently joined the pre-heresy camp, I'll be watching this with intrest.

Also (and this may have been covered earlier, in which case we can establish that I am a fool), would you mind sharing wehre you got the pre-heresy Jump packs? I've got a feeling I'm going to need a LOT of those.

The jump packs are Max mini. I got them on Ebay.

Thanks, I have a feeling they are going to help a LOT.

So I managed to finish the Assault Squad, the jump packs are great but I think the tabards make the squad. Anyway...

they really look lovely. . really like your Sargent sword

Looks like you got quite a few chaos icons, on some of the Bolt Pistols and on some of the chainswords.

So I finished the Predator and Dreadnought. I included a group shot of the whole army just for kicks. I still need to put some bling on the vehicles and dread. I should be done with this project soon then Im going to start my next giant out of control expensive mess. Unless my wife finds out and throws me out of a window first. I missed those chaos icons on the assault weapons, but I decided not to file them and repaint. I figure they just picked those weapons up from dead traitors.

They do look lovely as a group.

Any chance of a Fulgrim to lead them into battle?

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:They do look lovely as a group.

Any chance of a Fulgrim to lead them into battle?

I dont think I have the game to scratch build Fulgrim. But that would be sweet.

It would. Something to aspire to then. (Please don't take that the wrong way, I can see how you might )

Fulgrim would be an awesome addition to this army.

great work!

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:It would. Something to aspire to then. (Please don't take that the wrong way, I can see how you might )

I know what you mean, I see some of the stuff people do on this site and am amazed.

So I have the Sternguards finished and the Command squad. The Command squad has a couple Forgeworld bits in it. I think it is the Red Scorpion honor guard, not all just 2. Those Forge World meltas look pretty good but they also look like they are just as likely to shoot as explode. I was only able to make 9 Sternguard because I ran out of Ravenwing shoulder pads, damn it. Anyway, on to the jetbikes and terminators. I scratched my last design and bought some traitor terminators. I think these will be better.

Oh I would love to have the space in my collection for one of those enormous oldschool land raiders - so huge

you should make Fabius and throw him into a command squad... just a thought and humble suggestion

Those old school Land Raiders are really cool and I would try Fabius but my conversion skills are weak. Besides I am getting preoccupied with my next project.

40kFSU wrote:Those old school Land Raiders are really cool and I would try Fabius but my conversion skills are weak. Besides I am getting preoccupied with my next project.

easy way around this, buy his actual model and simply replace is needle pistol with a bolt pistol

So I lucked out today and finished two terminators and a jetbike. A little WIP action here.....

So really cool good job. Just one thing that's buging me the helmets are to new. istvan was early in the heresy so vthe marines would have had mark 3 or maximus especially the loyalost

I appreciate the suggestions on Fabius and Fulgrim, but my skills just aren't there yet. I settled for this guy, mainly because this is the oldest, clunkiest armor I could find. Plus the eagle.

He's looking good. But can we expect to ever see these guys in action (ie battle reports) or get some fluff?

You've got the converting and painting skills, it'd really complete this project if you added character to them.

if these were loyalist banded together on istvan fabius would not. Be with them just my opinion

Darkvoidof40k wrote:He's looking good. But can we expect to ever see these guys in action (ie battle reports) or get some fluff?

You've got the converting and painting skills, it'd really complete this project if you added character to them.

Not this project but my next one will have all sorts. My first two threads are pretty dry. Next up is a triple apocalypse army build. Hopefully I can cook up some story lines.

So I decided the jet bikes were lame. I tried to convert them into attack jet bikes, one with a heavy bolter and one with a multi-melta. I think they are ok. Should be done with the terminators tomorrow.

So the Terminators are what they are. I was hoping they would turn out a little better. Anyway, the army is complete. I think it looks pretty cool all together. Thanks to everyone who posted or took a look at the thread, all done here.

wow awesome army! Now, if you dont mind me asking, what do you do with your completed armies?

IHEARTLARGEBLASTTEMPLATES wrote:wow awesome army! Now, if you dont mind me asking, what do you do with your completed armies?

I sell them on Ebay. That way I can start a new one.

This little army is quite amazing! I'm very pleased to see how far they have come along since I last layed eyes on them.

It makes me a little sad inside thinking that you will be selling these when they are done, I know I could never do it . But hey if it keeps the projects coming all the power to you!

40kFSU wrote:

IHEARTLARGEBLASTTEMPLATES wrote:wow awesome army! Now, if you dont mind me asking, what do you do with your completed armies?

I sell them on Ebay. That way I can start a new one.

oh? when/if you sell these give me the link because i know i'd buy them from you

I think this is it

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320669033759&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_500wt_1156