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40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 11:59:05


Post by: Thed


so i have a question for the hordes of players on Dakka Dakka, my local gaming store is going to hold a battle royal of special characters, the restrictions are that you can field any one special character, points don't matter. I was wondering what people thought would be the best character to bring to this event, so far that space marine hero seargent cronus is my favorite since i can take him with on a land raider, pask is also a good choice on a lemun russ, but was wondering if anyone else could think of a better hero to bring. also if you can't think of a better hero, then which variant of land raider or lemun russ should i field?

thanks in advance to all who help.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 12:03:13


Post by: Alphacerberus


lysander he never goes down once hes imcombat if its direct combat without moving ake drazhar he wipes anything but he gets wiped by shooting

cronus would go good on a normal land raider as it instant kills everything with less than t6 or EW if worst comes to worst tank shock xD

if not a crusader as you will hit with everyshot TL bolters and multi-melta can still insta kill the AC doesn't hurt eiether


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 12:05:03


Post by: AlmightyWalrus


Oh come on, you really shouldn't be able to take Pask or Chronus, as they're upgrade characters that require you to take a non-special character model in the first place.


For a 1 on 1 SC brawl, I'd go with either the Nightbringer, Mephiston or Lysander. Probably the Nightbringer, Meph is more or less the only SC that can win CC against him.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 12:08:54


Post by: Chowderhead


Ghazzy getting the charge.

7 attacks at S10? 4 wounds? EW? 2+ (or 2++)?

He's a beast and can just rip apart titans in 1 turn.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 12:09:24


Post by: Azure


Either the Night Bringer or the Deceiver. Either will be more or less invincible in a 1-on-1


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 12:17:34


Post by: Devastator


one of the deamon lords?


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 12:20:29


Post by: Alphacerberus


that reminds me scarbrand or ku gath ku gath wounds on 2's and he has a pw i think also he has 6 wounds and a high toughness


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 12:28:39


Post by: AlmightyWalrus


chowderhead13 wrote:Ghazzy getting the charge.

7 attacks at S10? 4 wounds? EW? 2+ (or 2++)?

He's a beast and can just rip apart titans in 1 turn.


Until he meats either C'tan. All of a sudden your invulnerable save doesn't look that good..


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 13:03:26


Post by: omgnowaiii


Swarmlord. Insta kill if he lands a wound, and he makes you re-roll passed invul saves.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 13:23:39


Post by: shadeyaces


i have a few Eldrad for the ulitmate stoppin of psychic powers sawrmlord with the insta kill fateweaver or skarband would be half bad they to pretty strong daemons or could use the lord of death


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 15:20:28


Post by: kronk


Are you playing againts 1 opponent at a time or is this a battle royale?

Plunk Sgt Telion in cover and shoot away. What good is close combat it you can't make it across the table?


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 15:24:43


Post by: PraetorDave


Marneus Calgar. He has two power fists, and an AP2 assault 2 bolter. Eternal Warrior, and 6 str 8 attacks on the charge? Awesome.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 15:38:37


Post by: Lonecoon


Marbo! Hold back until everyone gets in close, then chuck the det pack.

Failing that, try Yarrick. He probably will get back up after he's taken down.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 15:46:35


Post by: Cerebrium


Lysander is an absolute beast. Bolter Drill is sadly a bit wasted if it's ONLY the character and no attached squad.

Nightbringer is an old favourite. Rips apart just about anything fairly reliably. Just be sure to close the gap to the enemy quickly.

Ku'gath is great if you want to play the long game. EW, wounds on 2+, 6W. There's very little (if anything) that can reliably kill him.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 15:49:28


Post by: Althuran


If its a 1vs1 I must say Abbaddon.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 15:50:37


Post by: striderx


If it's 1v1, then it's either the NightBringer or Deceiver.

I mean, why would anything else come into your mind? This is 1 v 1 !!! The C Tan has 4 wounds, and ignores invulnerable!! Every single character mentioned above will just be sucking their thumb and eating wounds.

The Deceiver will also ALWAYS be on the charge because if you charge him, he ll just drop out of combat, and charge you the next turn.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 15:54:19


Post by: Alphacerberus


oh asurmen is a great choice to if he gets a good roll removed from play not even EW saves them

best psycher out there i reckon is njal Jotww anyone?


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 15:54:59


Post by: Cerebrium


I'm not seeing the reason for Deceiver. In 1-on-1, Nightbringer has the edge. The Grand Illusion is nice in a normal game, but totally wasted in a 1 on 1.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 15:58:21


Post by: Alphacerberus


maybe because it can choose to leave the assault phase without being hit xD i just read up on it and he can just keep dodging xD


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 16:02:57


Post by: FourCartridge


Tactical Genius. That is all.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 16:10:51


Post by: Portaljacker


Bjorn the Fell Handed. Dreadnought unique character, 'nuff said.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 16:36:12


Post by: winnertakesall


CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!!!!!!!!!!

Outflanking power blob. Nuff said.

And after all, he is a tactical genius hurrrrr


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 17:36:28


Post by: MechaEmperor7000


Bjorn is a beast against anything that's not Kharn, Strakken or a MC. Against those, he's charred slag.

My vote's with the Nightbringer or a Daemon MC special character. Nightbringer is the toughnest creature in any normal 40K game (with only the Hierophant having a higher toughness) and his only drawback is his extremely high point cost (given that you can take any amount of points here, that's a non-issue). Daemon MC Special Characters have Eternal Warrior and a slew of powerful effects (Skarbrand is extremely killy, Fateweaver can use three powers a turn and has a rerollable 3++, and Kugath has a large blast nurgling attack, as well as generating Nurglings during battle).


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 17:47:22


Post by: Redbeard


Wazdakka can turbo and stay out of assault indefinitely, while firing 4 S8 shots/turn into the fray. One stun on bjorn, and the next turn, he's getting rear armour.

Actually, the ability to move 24" (picking up a 3+ cover along the way) each turn and still fire those shots might let him win against anyone else mentioned here, given enough turns. Though he's toast if you catch him, with no invul save.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 17:57:07


Post by: Ailaros


If you're lucky, Yarrik is literally invincible. Even if he never gets a single attack off, he can still tarpit any other infantry unit in the game.



40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 17:57:43


Post by: MechaEmperor7000


Saint Celestine is another good contender, solely because she's largely unkillable (it's rather hard to fail an unmodified leadership test when you have LD10) and rather fast. She doesnt bring much in the way of killing power though


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 17:57:59


Post by: Alphacerberus


only problem is anything with decent shooty would turn him into a fireball as his + save isn't the best
wazdakka*


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 19:07:24


Post by: Redbeard


Alphacerberus wrote:only problem is anything with decent shooty would turn him into a fireball as his + save isn't the best
wazdakka*


He's T(6) with a 3+ cover save from turbo-boosting every turn. What special character has enough shooty to fireball that easily?


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 19:12:31


Post by: Taubeast


My fave for this kinda thing would be Bjorn the Fell-Handed. Venerable Dread with 13 frontal arour and a 5+against penetrating and glancing? With an assault cannon? Yes, Please!


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 19:16:15


Post by: MechaEmperor7000


Bjorn is best used with a Plasma Cannon. Basically a direct hit on average with a 6 inch Deviation at worst.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 20:21:34


Post by: Alphacerberus


MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Bjorn is best used with a Plasma Cannon. Basically a direct hit on average with a 6 inch Deviation at worst.

pretty good but in 1-1 his plas won't do much as its only 1 wound any1 with anti tank weps would be a tough opponent


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 20:23:01


Post by: Shas'O Dorian


I find Logan to be particularly nice. He allows for ML spamming logan-wing wth a squad of relentless/Tank Hunting LFs.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 20:28:02


Post by: timetowaste85


Not a single vote for Skulltaker on a chariot? I'm insulted! That's 4 wounds, instant death attacks and he eats C'tan for breakfast-bring on your special character-if he doesn't have eternal warrior, he's toast. And Skully can DS close to you then even if you charge, he's probably faster and will just eat you. Swarmlord has a decent chance against him, depending on number of attacks and if Skulltaker can make any of his invul saves. I still say Skulltaker for the ultimate one-on-one fighter: Mephiston would go down like a cheerleader on prom night to him. Never mind. I don't want that image to burn anyone's brains...carry on


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 20:31:04


Post by: Vaktathi


Well, there are several really good ones.

Vulkan-Self explanatory. Hard to kill, decently killy, makes all the most important weapons in 5E, and the dreadfully underpriced TH/SS termi's, even better, for not really much more than a normal Captain HQ.

Lysander- way too hard to kill. Lol 2+/3++sv's with 4W and EW. Definitely a "Fire and Forget" type unit, send him in, roll dice, rinse repeat.

Swarmlord- Relatively easy to kill by shooting him to death if he doesn't have tyrant guard, but very scary in close combat with his 4++. Not only great as a combat monster but gives the entire army some decent benefits as well. Also very expensive though.

Marbo- 65pt almost assured to hit ordnance blast that also demands at least one, sometimes two enemy units end up having to waste their time killing him off. Very silly.

Fateweaver-Expensive, but few armies in the game can abuse multiple saves and wound allocation rules like Fatecrusher armies.

Mephiston- A Space Marine Bloodthirster. Nothing else really needs to be said.






40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 20:34:52


Post by: timetowaste85


Vaktathi wrote:Well, there are several really good ones.

Vulkan-Self explanatory. Hard to kill, decently killy, makes all the most important weapons in 5E, and the dreadfully underpriced TH/SS termi's, even better, for not really much more than a normal Captain HQ.


Fateweaver-Expensive, but few armies in the game can abuse multiple saves and wound allocation rules like Fatecrusher armies.



I agree with your other character mentions, but these guys serve as army buffs-they don't really do anything on their own. A S8 hammer that gets past a 3+ invul just took Vulcan's number, and Kairos can also "die" from a single wound-I think these two need to sit a one-on-one battle out


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 20:36:36


Post by: loner


Marbo! 'Nuff said.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 20:38:40


Post by: Vaktathi


A single wound *can* kill fateweaver, but he's still T5 with a rerollable 3++sv and is Ld9. I've never had it happen in my games against him.

As for Vulkan, yeah he can be ID'd, but he's still got a 2+/3++sv to get through, is sporting a WS6 I5 S6 powerweapon with some rerolls, and a TL'd heavy flamer, and isn't exactly breaking the bank just for those capabilities, much less his army wide buffs. There's a reason I went literally a year (oct2008-oct2009) without seeing a non-vulkan SM army.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 20:43:38


Post by: timetowaste85


I agree they're both awesome in regular tournaments with full armies-I use both personally. I'm just saying they don't compete as well in a 1 on 1 setting where you only get a single model-their abilities leave them kind of wanting. Vulkan more-so than Kairos, as Kairos can still Insta-spawn T4 marines 1/3 of the time


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/15 21:03:01


Post by: Scarey Nerd


In a 1v1, Nightbringer. In a normal game centred around special characters, St celestine.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 01:27:13


Post by: striderx


Redbeard wrote:Wazdakka can turbo and stay out of assault indefinitely, while firing 4 S8 shots/turn into the fray. One stun on bjorn, and the next turn, he's getting rear armour.

Actually, the ability to move 24" (picking up a 3+ cover along the way) each turn and still fire those shots might let him win against anyone else mentioned here, given enough turns. Though he's toast if you catch him, with no invul save.
The OP mentioned landraider, so transports are allowed. Your plan definitely don't work on a 6 by 4 table.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 01:27:13


Post by: Jaon


Guardsman Marbo.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 01:36:28


Post by: EmilCrane


No one mentioned the sanguinor? Re-rolls failed hits and wounds against a character of your choice with a 2+/3++/EW and s6 on the charge? And WS8 is always handy, more importantly, any anti-IC abilities don't work on him, because he's not an IC.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 02:03:15


Post by: striderx


EmilCrane wrote:No one mentioned the sanguinor? Re-rolls failed hits and wounds against a character of your choice with a 2+/3++/EW and s6 on the charge? And WS8 is always handy, more importantly, any anti-IC abilities don't work on him, because he's not an IC.
S6? You wound CTans on sixes, good luck.
2+/3++? CTan ignores all those. Good luck.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 02:54:24


Post by: martin74


vulkan

you build a whole army around his ability. i run drop pods, with plenty of melta. current 2500 point list, 7 drop pods, the first 4, dreadnaught with multi melta, ironclad with meltagun, combat squad with multimelta/meltagun/combimelta, and cpt w/combimelta, and two vets with meltagun.

this stops treadhead armies quickly. takeing out that many tanks or transports first turn just hurts them. then, flamers to take out foot soldiers, just too nice. twin linked melta weapons, flamers, and thunderhammers, just fun.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 03:14:39


Post by: GamzaTheChaos


Meranus Calgar standing on top of a hill with his fist in the air.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 03:24:42


Post by: Feyblade


I agree with everyone who picked the deciever, he can decide not to fight in CC BEFORE anyone attacks him, he literally cannot die in CC if you don't want him to. Few SCs can take enough shooting to get through 5 wounds with a 4+ invul besides.

EDIT-and T8


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 07:24:07


Post by: Roadkill Zombie


Well with some of the silly characters floating around that aren't all IC's then I will add my own


Lukas the Trickster....Bring your Nightbringers, your Ghazkulls, your Vulkans, Shrikes, whoever...If Lukas kills you I win...if you kill him---I win


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 09:32:41


Post by: =I= White-Wolf


Vect anyone? That bloke is a bloody monster!


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 09:39:55


Post by: Fafnir


Ghaz. Always and forever Ghaz.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 09:48:51


Post by: Avatar 720


Aun'Va - Even the likes of the Nightbringer and Deciever will be powerless to stop him through their fits of laughter.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 09:54:09


Post by: Punisher Gatling Cannon


Sammuel or the vindicare


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 09:59:55


Post by: Nulipuli2


Asdrubael Vect


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 10:24:15


Post by: Luke_Prowler


Old Zogwort. Got a IC breathing down your neck? Squig him! Even without that, he still has his wierdboy powers and 1d6 attacks that wound on +2.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 12:38:43


Post by: striderx


Oh Yah, I forgot about Old Zogwort!

Ok, that should beat even the C Tans... ...


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 13:18:50


Post by: Alphacerberus


well it would depend who went 1st if you could shoot him he would go down easy xD its like whoever draws 1st wins with zogwort


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 13:41:07


Post by: Acardia


Old Zogwort's turn em into a squid only works on IC's so Mephiston, Greater Daemons, Swarmlord, Tau with drones are immune.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 14:37:55


Post by: PraetorDave


Vaktathi wrote:Well, there are several really good ones.

Vulkan-Self explanatory. Hard to kill, decently killy, makes all the most important weapons in 5E, and the dreadfully underpriced TH/SS termi's, even better, for not really much more than a normal Captain HQ.

Lysander- way too hard to kill. Lol 2+/3++sv's with 4W and EW. Definitely a "Fire and Forget" type unit, send him in, roll dice, rinse repeat.

Swarmlord- Relatively easy to kill by shooting him to death if he doesn't have tyrant guard, but very scary in close combat with his 4++. Not only great as a combat monster but gives the entire army some decent benefits as well. Also very expensive though.

Marbo- 65pt almost assured to hit ordnance blast that also demands at least one, sometimes two enemy units end up having to waste their time killing him off. Very silly.

Fateweaver-Expensive, but few armies in the game can abuse multiple saves and wound allocation rules like Fatecrusher armies.

Mephiston- A Space Marine Bloodthirster. Nothing else really needs to be said.






Did you read the OP? This is only about single characters facing off. So feel free to bring Marbo, you won't have any blast templates to hit with. And vulkan's buff is great, except the only thing it would do for you is TL his heavy flamer. You have to think on a single character basis. Oh and vulkan is only T4, so he would go down pretty fast.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 15:03:30


Post by: gpfunk


GamzaTheChaos wrote:Meranus Calgar standing on top of a hill with his fist in the air.


I laughed so hard at this for some reason. Just saw him standing on a hill going "Yarrrrgh!" and then some random cannon shot hitting him in the face haha. But in all seriousness, he's very good.

I'm a fan of Ghazzy. He just seems so beastly. If it came down to a slugfest i'd put my money on Ghaz.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 15:23:59


Post by: rodgers37


C-tan is a very good choice (either, probably Deceiver, he can run away)
Ghaz and Mephiston are pretty close.
And Eldard probably won't die very easily, but isn't killing anything.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 15:29:37


Post by: Phazael


C'Tan are solid options, but really, S10 I7 force weapon swinging Mephiston will utterly punk them before they get to swing.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 15:36:37


Post by: dirkthe1


Surely Kharn, purely so you can shout blood for the blood god all the time and eventually someone will respond.

Calgar is pretty awesome, and if it wasnt for that fact he is blue...


Anyone remember the warhammer fantasy special character face off they did many years ago-ten points if you can name the winner and what was special about the whole thing.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 15:37:12


Post by: Acardia


I think that depending on what the range they start apart and what terrian is available will determine this. if 24 inches are more available, then I would place bets on Wazdakka or Fateweaver.


However Deathleaper can play hide/disappear all day and not die.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 17:34:04


Post by: Grakmar


This is an interesting scenario. With only 2 models on board and a fight to the death, there's plenty of room to maneuver. And, you don't need to worry about holding an objective.

So, given those constraints, I'm going to go out of the box and suggest something shocking.

A model so bad, so worthless, so overcosted that most people don't even know who he is.

No, I'm not talking the Space Pope. I'm talking about his slightly better friend...

BAHARROTH

(He's friends with the Space Pope because they spend their entire existence together sitting in a GW warehouse waiting to be sold.)

Now, I know what you're thinking: S4 T4 W3? Sure he has EW, but doesn't have an invul save. His CC ability is decent, but nothing special. Why him?

One word: Skyleap

Baharroth deep strikes, drops his S4 AP5 large blast and then runs away back into reserves all before your opponent has a chance to do anything!!!

He is completely unkillable provided there's room enough for him to deep strike without mishap. And, since there's only 2 models on the board, that shouldn't be an issue.

He'll take all the time he needs to slowly whittle down any opponent, provided they are T7 or less. Against T8+, neither model will be able to hurt the other and you'll end up with the most boring, endless game of all time. But, he wouldn't lose.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 22:09:16


Post by: Juvieus Kaine


To the person stating SC's aren't affected by Zogwort's Curse: You are wrong good sir since all SC's have the IC rule

As it is this is an interesting scenario. I'd go orky and take either: Ghazz since he kills things - period; Wazdakka for drive-by shooting that you can't really touch; or Old Zogwort just so your entire effort on fielding the most badass character you like has been wasted because it's now a crummy squig
From other dexs, I'd probs grab the Nightbringer because he is an absolute monster in CC.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 22:14:23


Post by: Chaos Lord Gir


Juvieus Kaine wrote:To the person stating SC's aren't affected by Zogwort's Curse: You are wrong good sir since all SC's have the IC rule



Straken, Creed and any other IG character (excluding Yarrick ofc)


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 22:33:07


Post by: Grakmar


Juvieus Kaine wrote:To the person stating SC's aren't affected by Zogwort's Curse: You are wrong good sir since all SC's have the IC rule


That isn't true, at all.

The only Tyranid SCs that are IC is the Parasite of Mortrex.

Even in Orks (Zogworts army, and, if your signature accurate, your army) has Zagstruk, Snikrot, and Badrukk who are all not IC.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 22:37:25


Post by: loota boy


Ghazzy, or zogwort just turning everyone into squigs. Let's see how great that deceiver really is when he turns into the great squiggly beast.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 22:37:44


Post by: EmilCrane


Juvieus Kaine wrote:To the person stating SC's aren't affected by Zogwort's Curse: You are wrong good sir since all SC's have the IC rule


Sanguinor (jump infantry), DC Tycho and Mephiston (infantry) say hi!


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 22:51:58


Post by: stompydakka


OK, back to awesome characters-I like
GHAZZGHKULL!!!
or however its spelled
just eat face in CC and youll be good.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/16 23:31:58


Post by: DarknessEternal


Grakmar wrote:
BAHARROTH

Given the constraints of the actual proposition of the OP, this is the clear winner. It wasn't a general question.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/17 00:51:50


Post by: Bennowar


dirkthe1 wrote:
Anyone remember the warhammer fantasy special character face off they did many years ago-ten points if you can name the winner and what was special about the whole thing.


Bloodthirster IIRC.

And he got a Throne Of Dice.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/17 02:07:10


Post by: ChiliPowderKeg


stompydakka wrote:GHAZGHKULL!!!


This.

CC monster that'll eat near everything in CC. Doesn't he also get a 2++ save?


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/17 02:24:33


Post by: Avatar 720


Grakmar wrote:This is an interesting scenario. With only 2 models on board and a fight to the death, there's plenty of room to maneuver. And, you don't need to worry about holding an objective.

So, given those constraints, I'm going to go out of the box and suggest something shocking.

A model so bad, so worthless, so overcosted that most people don't even know who he is.

No, I'm not talking the Space Pope. I'm talking about his slightly better friend...

BAHARROTH

(He's friends with the Space Pope because they spend their entire existence together sitting in a GW warehouse waiting to be sold.)

Now, I know what you're thinking: S4 T4 W3? Sure he has EW, but doesn't have an invul save. His CC ability is decent, but nothing special. Why him?

One word: Skyleap

Baharroth deep strikes, drops his S4 AP5 large blast and then runs away back into reserves all before your opponent has a chance to do anything!!!

He is completely unkillable provided there's room enough for him to deep strike without mishap. And, since there's only 2 models on the board, that shouldn't be an issue.

He'll take all the time he needs to slowly whittle down any opponent, provided they are T7 or less. Against T8+, neither model will be able to hurt the other and you'll end up with the most boring, endless game of all time. But, he wouldn't lose.


Depending on terrain set-up and board size, Njal might give you some hassle if he repeatedly gets Tempest's Wrath off. On a 4 foot by 4 foot board, having Njal in the centre of the board means he's got basically everywhere covered.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/17 17:33:01


Post by: DarknessEternal


Avatar 720 wrote:
Depending on terrain set-up and board size, Njal might give you some hassle if he repeatedly gets Tempest's Wrath off. On a 4 foot by 4 foot board, having Njal in the centre of the board means he's got basically everywhere covered.

Baharroth doesn't really give a rip about difficult or dangerous terrain. Neither of those things cause mishaps.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/17 18:16:36


Post by: Avatar 720


They don't need to cause mishaps? For him to be able to Skyleap, he needs to be on the board, and for him to be on the board, he needs to have landed in the dangerous terrain, which means taking a dangerous terrain check; 3 failed checks and he's down.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/17 18:19:42


Post by: Ridealgh


id say asurmen. his diresword is so good plus he lasts forever


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/17 18:38:06


Post by: Grakmar


Avatar 720 wrote:They don't need to cause mishaps? For him to be able to Skyleap, he needs to be on the board, and for him to be on the board, he needs to have landed in the dangerous terrain, which means taking a dangerous terrain check; 3 failed checks and he's down.


Good point on Njal. But, it still may be a close fight.

Baharroth would take 1/6 wounds per turn, so he'd take 18 turns to die.

Njal would need to survive 18 S4 attacks and 18 chances of PotW.

First, PotW: He needs 18 successes. 3/36 chance of failure, so he'll need to do 2 casts 1.5 times. 19.5 casts * 2/36 chance * 3/4 to not save = 0.8125 of a wound

Second, Swooping Hawk Grenade attacks. 18 of them. 1/3 hits, 2/3 scatters. A scatter only goes d6 for these. So, with a 2.5" radius on the blast template and a 0.5" radius on the model base, anything with a 3" or less scatter will hit. 1/2 of the time.
18 attacks * (1/3 + 2/3*1/2) hit * 1/2 wound * 1/6 unsaved = 1 wound.

So, typically, Baharroth dies with Njal having 0.1875 wounds remaining. Njal wins, but that's a VERY small margin.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/17 19:18:15


Post by: The Noise Marine


Kharn the betrayer


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/17 19:47:52


Post by: AlmightyWalrus


dirkthe1 wrote:Anyone remember the warhammer fantasy special character face off they did many years ago-ten points if you can name the winner and what was special about the whole thing.


Wasn't that the one where the Witch King dude beat someone, who beat Grimgor, who beat the Witch King, resulting in a circle of carnage?


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/17 19:56:11


Post by: Juvieus Kaine


Okay guess I'm not right after all... *profanities*


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/17 20:01:58


Post by: biccat


I'd vote Ahriman, he's got lots of versatility, and at worst has about a 40% chance to turn the enemy into a chaos spawn.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/17 20:19:55


Post by: Dashofpepper


Greetings!

The answer depends on the format.

In an army vs. army setting, Ghazghkull Thraka can kill anyone by himself. He's not so good in a boss battle because he'll get sniped apart at range.

When I play in boss battles, I actually tend to go with Tau and use a Shas'o, in your case, Commander Farsight would be a good choice. You can snipe at people with plasma while JSJ 12" every turn, and no one will be able to catch you, especially if its a 1v1 setting.

Otherwise Wazdakka or Bjorn the Fellhanded seem like the best choices.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/17 21:12:39


Post by: AlmightyWalrus


Dashofpepper wrote:
In an army vs. army setting, Ghazghkull Thraka can kill anyone by himself.


Except the C'tans. They will stomp him flat and eat his hat (+10 interwebz to whoever gets it),


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/17 21:33:26


Post by: death2emperor


Easy, it has to be abbadon the despoiler
upto 14 attacks strength 8 and 2 plus save
he also gets to re-roll all failed hits and wounds


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/17 23:50:36


Post by: DarknessEternal


death2emperor wrote:Easy, it has to be abbadon the despoiler
upto 14 attacks strength 8 and 2 plus save
he also gets to re-roll all failed hits and wounds

And would do 0 wounds to Baharroth with his up to 11 Attacks (not 14).


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 00:04:30


Post by: theduncan


The Nightbringer kills all.

Unless he is turned into a squig .


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 00:08:57


Post by: The Crusader Of 42


Abstrul Vect?
Awesome weapon skill and a power weapon that wounds on a 3 plus.
Mounted on the dais of destruction would make a mess out of any foot slogging HQ.
Also he has a 2++ save.
Then again you are incredabily screwed if you lose the 2++ save...
But he might win.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 00:16:33


Post by: theduncan


The Nightbringer ignores all saves.
No 2++ for you .


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 01:45:35


Post by: Avatar 720


Nightbringer vs Nightbringer (or is one of them the Deciever disguised as the Nightbringer? or are they both the Deciever? Who knows?).


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 02:09:52


Post by: Azure


Avatar 720 wrote:Nightbringer vs Nightbringer (or is one of them the Deciever disguised as the Nightbringer? or are they both the Deciever? Who knows?).


I pull this trick hen I forget my Deceiver model


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 02:37:36


Post by: pjmcgrath07


what about some blood angel love?

Mephiston almost guarantees you the charge with a potential 24" range. Has strength 10, high initiative, high toughness. He will be able to get the charge and hit before most other characters. His transfixing gaze also makes an ic take leadership test at -4 and if failed gets all re rolled hits and wounds.
-6 attacks on the charge with a force weapon @ strength 10 and initiative 7 with ws 7, 24" potential charge. 5 wounds with toughness 6.

Sanguinor would also be a strong choice. 18" assault and re rolls to hits and to wounds.
-18' charge range, 7 attacks on the charge with ws 8 and initiative 6.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 02:42:37


Post by: EmilCrane


pjmcgrath07 wrote:what about some blood angel love?

Mephiston almost guarantees you the charge with a potential 24" range. Has strength 10, high initiative, high toughness. He will be able to get the charge and hit before most other characters. His transfixing gaze also makes an ic take leadership test at -4 and if failed gets all re rolled hits and wounds.
-6 attacks on the charge with a force weapon @ strength 10 and initiative 7 with ws 7, 24" potential charge. 5 wounds with toughness 6.

Sanguinor would also be a strong choice. 18" assault and re rolls to hits and to wounds.
-18' charge range, 7 attacks on the charge with ws 8 and initiative 6.


These are both great against anyone but C'tan, I don't think the c'tan should be included in something like this anyway.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 03:13:17


Post by: imweasel


EmilCrane wrote:These are both great against anyone but C'tan, I don't think the c'tan should be included in something like this anyway.


Mephiston eats C'tan for lunch.

And most everyone else as well.

Hard to beat this guy...


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 05:14:33


Post by: pjmcgrath07


i really never played against nor have read up on the ctans codex entries so i have no idea what they are capable of beside the nightbringer(believe thats his name) denying all saves. Are the psykers or have a hood? whats general stats


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 05:41:34


Post by: bok_choy17


mephiston


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40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 05:47:33


Post by: GamzaTheChaos


Any character standing on top of a hill with his fist in the air is the best.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 05:53:35


Post by: Darien13


Abaddon


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 05:53:58


Post by: Fafnir


imweasel wrote:
EmilCrane wrote:These are both great against anyone but C'tan, I don't think the c'tan should be included in something like this anyway.


Mephiston eats C'tan for lunch.

And most everyone else as well.

Hard to beat this guy...


Sanguinor will eat Mephiston for lunch. And he'll support his army while he's at it. Mephiston may be really good at what he does (looking at gak and making it die), but the Sanguinor works two shifts and overtime and still has the time to kick ass.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 06:08:08


Post by: Maenus_Rajhana


I'm kinda likin the Baharroth idea. Although, I'm now picturing him vs. Deathleaper and seeing a completely empty board for the entire match.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 13:19:36


Post by: AlmightyWalrus


imweasel wrote:
EmilCrane wrote:These are both great against anyone but C'tan, I don't think the c'tan should be included in something like this anyway.


Mephiston eats C'tan for lunch.

And most everyone else as well.

Hard to beat this guy...

I don't know what you define as lunch, but the two models I know of that can easily defeat a C'tan in hth is Meph and that nid lashwhip-bonesword thingie. That's a far cry from "everyone".


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 13:34:30


Post by: Azure


pjmcgrath07 wrote:i really never played against nor have read up on the ctans codex entries so i have no idea what they are capable of beside the nightbringer(believe thats his name) denying all saves. Are the psykers or have a hood? whats general stats


Both C'tan deny saves and have a wide variety of board messing around abilities, the Nightbringer is the hardest hitter though at Str. 10 and T 8 with 5 base attacks.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 13:56:09


Post by: obsidianaura


An'ggrath the unbound is technically a special character right? :p

I'd use him under Daemon codex rules (No possestion). He'd just step on Mephy.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 14:03:24


Post by: AlmightyWalrus


obsidianaura wrote:An'ggrath the unbound is technically a special character right? :p

I'd use him under Daemon codex rules (No possestion). He'd just step on Mephy.


...wow. Yes, you're technically allowed to use An'ggrath, but... jeez. Why not go with Angron from that WD article straight away?


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 14:04:49


Post by: SCYTHE9


Skulltaker is enough for mephisto, and he might bring the ctan down too


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 15:14:40


Post by: Ratius


I second the choice for An'ggrath.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 15:17:51


Post by: Redbeard


I'd take Zaraknel before An'ggrath. She ignores invul saves. Though, realistically, any of those gargantuan daemon lords are in a category far far better than anyone else. They've all got similar toughness and saves as the C'Tan, with more wounds to go through, and the ability to ignore the instant-kill problems that the C'Tan suffer from.

The Tzeentch bird is pretty good too. Being gargantuan, only the other lords could lock it in combat. Each turn, it hits you with a S8/AP1 shot, 3 s5-ap3 shots, creates a new unit of horrors to start shooting at you, and has a 1/6 chance of turning you into a chaos spawn outright - and that's before it assaults you... Defensively, it's got massive toughness and wounds and a 3++.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 15:25:54


Post by: theduncan


Wait, we're allowing daemon lords now?

Angron - I am Angron, Primarch of the world eaters and death incarnate, the greatest champion of Khorne, the most powerful being to ever...

(Bright flash)

Angron - (Squig bark)

Zogwart - Hurr .


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 16:06:52


Post by: obsidianaura


I doubt they'd allow it, but if they did An'ggrath is the most awesome. Guardian of the Throne of Skulls, Most favoured of Khorne, Lord of Bloodthirsters, the Deathbringer.

I'm slightly biased by having him but he's definatly more powerful than Angron.

His armour was made by Khorne himself! How powerfull must you be when Khorne is your personal tailor!


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 16:08:51


Post by: Tzeentchling9


The Changeling. Best 22 points ever(5pts if you don't count the horror you upgrade to him).


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 16:23:52


Post by: VikingScott


Redbeard wrote:
The Tzeentch bird is pretty good too. Being gargantuan, only the other lords could lock it in combat. Each turn, it hits you with a S8/AP1 shot, 3 s5-ap3 shots, creates a new unit of horrors to start shooting at you, and has a 1/6 chance of turning you into a chaos spawn outright - and that's before it assaults you... Defensively, it's got massive toughness and wounds and a 3++.


I can't pronounce/spell/remember it's name but this.

Hardest model I've ever had the misfortune of trying to kill. Worth way more than it's 999pts.



40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 16:39:58


Post by: obsidianaura


VikingScott wrote:
Redbeard wrote:
The Tzeentch bird is pretty good too. Being gargantuan, only the other lords could lock it in combat. Each turn, it hits you with a S8/AP1 shot, 3 s5-ap3 shots, creates a new unit of horrors to start shooting at you, and has a 1/6 chance of turning you into a chaos spawn outright - and that's before it assaults you... Defensively, it's got massive toughness and wounds and a 3++.


I can't pronounce/spell/remember it's name but this.

Hardest model I've ever had the misfortune of trying to kill. Worth way more than it's 999pts.



I really like the model just wish the wings didn't look so rounded at the edges.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 20:10:49


Post by: imweasel


AlmightyWalrus wrote:
imweasel wrote:
EmilCrane wrote:These are both great against anyone but C'tan, I don't think the c'tan should be included in something like this anyway.


Mephiston eats C'tan for lunch.

And most everyone else as well.

Hard to beat this guy...

I don't know what you define as lunch, but the two models I know of that can easily defeat a C'tan in hth is Meph and that nid lashwhip-bonesword thingie. That's a far cry from "everyone".


I meant mephiston eats most everyone for lunch.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 21:25:27


Post by: AlmightyWalrus


imweasel wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
imweasel wrote:
EmilCrane wrote:These are both great against anyone but C'tan, I don't think the c'tan should be included in something like this anyway.


Mephiston eats C'tan for lunch.

And most everyone else as well.

Hard to beat this guy...

I don't know what you define as lunch, but the two models I know of that can easily defeat a C'tan in hth is Meph and that nid lashwhip-bonesword thingie. That's a far cry from "everyone".


I meant mephiston eats most everyone for lunch.


Oh, OK, I stand corrected. Still, there's more things out there that can take him in CC than things that can take a C'tan


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 23:49:30


Post by: gloomygrim



Ghazz, pure utter monster.

Honestly the one and only best char in any wargame is the dice lol


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/18 23:52:45


Post by: moonshine


You could take shrike and wait for everyone to kill eachother then outflank on and kill the survivors.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/19 16:02:26


Post by: dirkthe1


Bennowar wrote:
dirkthe1 wrote:
Anyone remember the warhammer fantasy special character face off they did many years ago-ten points if you can name the winner and what was special about the whole thing.


Bloodthirster IIRC.

And he got a Throne Of Dice.


He did but he won and wasnt actually a special character-they only put him in as it was new model and they needed one more to make up numbers


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/20 17:05:14


Post by: Ail-Shan


Maugan Ra wouldn't be half bad. Can't ignore invulnerable saves, but can ignore both armor and cover with a longer range assault cannon. He's got a chance against most enemies, though the C'tan are probably winning this.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/20 17:28:56


Post by: dayve110


If you can start a decent distance away then Eldrad is my personnal preferance... You can get fortune up beforehand and throw a few mind wars downfield while backing up. Once you get into combat you can wound on 2's and ignore saves, against vehicles your strength 9. And the majority of the time you have a re-rollable 3++ (89% chance to pass as opposed to an 83% chance on a 2++)

Proberly a C'tan if you have to start within charge distance.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/21 00:54:41


Post by: Alphacerberus


dayve110 wrote:If you can start a decent distance away then Eldrad is my personnal preferance... You can get fortune up beforehand and throw a few mind wars downfield while backing up. Once you get into combat you can wound on 2's and ignore saves, against vehicles your strength 9. And the majority of the time you have a re-rollable 3++ (89% chance to pass as opposed to an 83% chance on a 2++)

Proberly a C'tan if you have to start within charge distance.


witchblades aren t pws unless I recall eldrad having a varient


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/21 01:33:35


Post by: Ail-Shan


Eldrad has his staff, though only gets 1 swing with it which works as described.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/21 01:39:58


Post by: striderx


imweasel wrote:
EmilCrane wrote:These are both great against anyone but C'tan, I don't think the c'tan should be included in something like this anyway.


Mephiston eats C'tan for lunch.

And most everyone else as well.

Hard to beat this guy...
Ghaz eats him alive.


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/21 02:12:30


Post by: Ail-Shan


Either I read that completely wrong, or it was different when I originally posted (Considering edit time, I think it was the latter).


40k the best special character in the game @ 2011/02/21 03:43:47


Post by: Fafnir


Where the hell did Ghaz learn Zogwort's Curse?