Fellow Gamers,

It has been a little while since our last release. We have been hard at work at Chapterhouse Studios, looking for the next toy to release for the Heresy Era 40k players. I am happy to show the Javelin Class Jet Bike.



This multi-part customizable resin kit contains 8 resin components. We have included 2 engine options, this will allow you to make a regular and a scout version of the Javelin Jet Bike. We also included 2 different bolt gun mounts that will allow the addition of different special weapons (plasma, melta, grenade launchers etc). These conveniently fit our combi-weapon conversion bits.

Also included in the kit are a set of legs and arms that will allow you to use other companies torsos and heads to model a rider. Flight stand will be included.

Kit is $14.00 and available here.

Kit is shown with Chapterhouse Studios helmets and torso (not included).









I am also excited to announce designs are already complete for an "attack bike" add-on module.



Sincerely,
Nick - Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Like the kit and the price.

Oh wow! That is perfect in a million ways! It has a very sleek look that I like about it and the addition of legs and arms is very welcome. If you can indeed reach that very reasonable price tag, I am certainly picking up a pile of these!

That price is pretty certain at this point, it allows us to compete with the current offerings out there as well as allow us room to maneuver when the "attack bike" mod kit is released.

''Attack bike’’ looking forward to seeing that.

That's pretty cool. The guns on the front could have used a little more detail, and the handlebars look far too small and flimsy... But overall it works. Clearly imperial while being different enough in the details to not just be a regular bike that flies.

Reminds me of the Kromlech bike from a while back (years now maybe?), generally.



I'd have to do something with the back of the CHS version to balance the model out a bit. Good for customization -- I'd like to see a squadron of these painted up as Space Sharks with fin conversions.

Yes, it does look like the kromlech one, however, I prefer the CH one!

Also looking forward to the attack bike mod!

I prefer Kromlech Front and Chapterhouse Rear

That price is going to win you a lot of sales, but the real advantage you'll have is the 'attack bike' option, allowing all of us Pre-Heresy fans to field 'legal' full bike squads of 'jet bikes'!

Well done!

Eisenhorn wrote:I prefer Kromlech Front and Chapterhouse Rear

Yea, my thoughts exactly.

They'll assuredly look better than the buddy bikes do. I just hate those buddy bikes!

Loving these.

I prefer Eldars having Jetbikes. IoM should still use wheels.

Hate the model way too bland, but I guess with the money saved I can solve that problem how much is 100 skulls?

I want to like it.

Jetbikes are one of those things covered under "Rule of Cool"(because let's face facts--they're awesome).

But it just looks like a normal Imperial Bike with the wheel slots covered up, a cowcatcher from a locomotive put on the front, and the footrest for the normal bike reversed.

It looks like a conversion that you'd see someone doing, even if it does look like one of those conversions where you'd say "Wow, that looks pretty awesome".

Did you have a WIP or feedback session on it, because if you did I would have loved to put my two cents in.

KilroyKiljoy wrote:I prefer Eldars having Jetbikes. IoM should still use wheels.

Did you miss the 'Pre-Heresy' tag?

"Back in the day", the Imperium of Man knew how to travel!

KilroyKiljoy wrote:I prefer Eldars having Jetbikes. IoM should still use wheels.

Like this?


BTW what is an attack bike option? Is this bike not for attacks?

I like the model, but I disagree with the idea of SM on jetbikes. They look silly.

A place to mount heavy weapons, like Marine Attack Bikes.

Alpharius wrote:

KilroyKiljoy wrote:I prefer Eldars having Jetbikes. IoM should still use wheels.

Did you miss the 'Pre-Heresy' tag?

"Back in the day", the Imperium of Man knew how to travel!

In style?

But seriously I like the style of the Jetbike models, would if I decided to do pre-heresy marines pick a few up.

It's much too blocky for me. The GW model and even most of the artwork was more steamlined.

I like it!

Something for the next order!

I like them. They look decently imperial. A whole army on those would be wicked cool.

Not to derail the thread, but are the sci-fi troopers coming along as well?

Like em. They remind of Judge Dredd just a tad. I'm thinking the bolters are a tad underdetailed. But it looks like an easy procedure to chop them off and replace them with your own bolters. Switching these bikes in for GW SM Bikes are a very stylish upgrade. Also like the "not marine" arms and legs included (although they look close enough to GW SM that GW will probably bitch up a storm). Hope the pricepoint doesn't blow.

Ass all chapter house kits, i like it...

But i dont feel well with imperials in jet-bikes, specially when there is no way to emulate jet-bikes in current codexes.

Intersting, this comes when i am wondering about making a Space Marines Bike Army...

I like it
Nice details except the guns need a bit more.

I like the Kromlech kit better.

The fact that I can identify the GW bits, that make up the majority of the bike, bothers me.

The Kromlech kit is designed better and more unique - though a bit blocky for my tastes.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Ass all chapter house kits, i like it...

Hope this is a typo

I like this. It has a very nice feel to it.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:But i dont feel well with imperials in jet-bikes, specially when there is no way to emulate jet-bikes in current codexes.

Just treat them as regular bikes. They don't follow jetbike rules because their anti-grav isn't as advanced or is badly maintained, and so they hug the ground more closely than other jetbikes, and their maneouverability suffers as a result.

insaniak wrote:

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:But i dont feel well with imperials in jet-bikes, specially when there is no way to emulate jet-bikes in current codexes.

Just treat them as regular bikes. They don't follow jetbike rules because their anti-grav isn't as advanced or is badly maintained, and so they hug the ground more closely than other jetbikes, and their maneouverability suffers as a result.

My thoughts exactly. I would just use these as regular bikes.

stormboy wrote:I like the Kromlech kit better.

The fact that I can identify the GW bits, that make up the majority of the bike, bothers me.

The Kromlech kit is designed better and more unique - though a bit blocky for my tastes.

I have to say you are wrong on this. This is not a kit bash, in fact it is totally computer designed (except for the legs and arms which i had sculpted especially for this kit green stuff and all) there are NO Games Workshop parts in this kit at all (even in the displayed model).

Nick - Chapterhouse Studios

So how much are the bikes going for Nick?
I would like to buy a few just need to find some extra heads XD

To rehash - $14.00 for the set.

I would love to see some IG players modify some kits for IG Cavalry, all you would need is a lance and some conversion for torsos, head and shave down the legs maybe.

Nick

It needs wings or something on the side. It's a cool kit, if I got any I'd have to have wing mounted bolters. Reminds me HEAVILY of 1 or 2 bfg models though, like, a lot.

Kroothawk wrote:

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Ass all chapter house kits, i like it...

Hope this is a typo

Dont know, i wanted to say that i like it, as i like all chapter house kits... Some spelling issue?


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insaniak wrote:

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:But i dont feel well with imperials in jet-bikes, specially when there is no way to emulate jet-bikes in current codexes.

Just treat them as regular bikes. They don't follow jetbike rules because their anti-grav isn't as advanced or is badly maintained, and so they hug the ground more closely than other jetbikes, and their maneouverability suffers as a result.

I will do that ^^

On the attack bike versions, I wanted to avoid the side mounted heavy weapon mount.. Instead I went with a middle-range size weapon and we doubled the load out of that weapon.

So instead of one heavy bolt gun, we have dual Medium Bolt Guns, the same with the "melta" weapon. The attack bike variant also adds some wings and steering surfaces to compensate for the heavier armament. Almost wings on the side.

Ill show off the concept for the design in a few days.

Nick

It's good, it's really good actually. I would like too see something on the back but that is easily customizable too the player so in the end it works out. $14 is a fairly good round about price and heck with these and the jump packs... it really does make me want too finally do that custodes.

So just one bike is 14$ or is it 2?

Asherian Command wrote:So just one bike is 14$ or is it 2?

Just one, phew, 2 for $14.. wouldnt that be nice

That would be incredible, but we still live in real world, and we are in the mid of a financial crisis...

Anyway, i would be jumping with joy if it was 9,99 U$, but 14 is good too...

Chapterhouse wrote:

I would love to see some IG players modify some kits for IG Cavalry, all you would need is a lance and some conversion for torsos, head and shave down the legs maybe.

Nick

What is stopping you from bringing out said kit with IG legs, torso and lance? I imagine there would be plenty of people falling all over them due to the fact that there is no good, well priced IG rider set on the market these days (to my knowledge).

Look's alot like a space marine bike with the back end filled in and a cow catcher on the front. I like it but need more I would think. Maybe better ornate guns or options for guns.

It looks like the conversion guide in the forums.

That is not to say it is a bad model or anything, the front prow does heavilly resemble a BFG ship and the bike chassis looks like a regular SM bike.

For $14 it's a good price, ecspecially if you wanted to field a jetbike force. Immediately, you could replace the bolters with GW ones and add on enough pieces of ornate stuff, chapter symbols to make it look GW enough as well to pass for a conversion if you wanted to use it outside of friendly games or in GW stores.

Cool bike. I'd grab a few if I wanted jetbikes, definitely. Considering the time saved from doing a conversion to a jetbike to by buying this for $14...

Looks like a space marine bike thats been cut/converted, even if it was designed via computer you can still see the items that were copied.
The right leg even has the buttons on it exactly the same as on a space marine bike rider. I'm not saying you didn't sculpt the riders legs/arms yourself, but I am saying you quite clearly replicated them in a different position using greenstuff.

Sure you release this when I'm almost done with my tech marine who would have looked awesome on this with his conversion beamer back pack!!

I love the DA jetbike, but this one just looks clunky.

Not to derail the thread, but are the sci-fi troopers coming along as well?

Need to bulk out the limbs a little more but that's in line next after the stuff on my table atm.

Not a huge fan. But I'm sure some people will enjoy it since it means less work on an all jetbike army.

any chance of getting the riders legs separately?

insaniak wrote:That's pretty cool. The guns on the front could have used a little more detail, and the handlebars look far too small and flimsy... But overall it works. Clearly imperial while being different enough in the details to not just be a regular bike that flies.

Thanks, I did the digital modeling for it. The handle bars next to a marine, I agree, look a bit flimsy, I was concerned they'd be too big for IG/scout hands for that other variant. Though I don't know if Nick still had plans for that.

Gamble wrote:any chance of getting the riders legs separately?

+1. It's always been a pain to get SM bike legs, especially if you've had a couple bad experiences with botched conversions......

I have to say you are wrong on this. This is not a kit bash, in fact it is totally computer designed (except for the legs and arms which i had sculpted especially for this kit green stuff and all) there are NO Games Workshop parts in this kit at all (even in the displayed model).

Nick - Chapterhouse Studios

I would have to disagree with you. The the upper most part from the gas tank back look exactly like a normal bike and the engine bit. Other then that the nose piece, under carage and thrusters are all CH.
Sorry love the work your company does but this is a kit bash model.

I wonder if this thread would be of interest to you...
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/335180.page

Poster: It's a kitbash!
Person who's selling the kit: No, it's not.
Person who designed the model: No, it's not.
Poster: You're both wrong! It's a kitbash.


I love the Internet.

I personally like Chapterhouse’s Jetbike. I will admit that I like the look of Maxmini’s upcoming jetbike better BUT Chapterhouse’s product has the benefits of being a complete kit (with leg/arm bits and whatnot). I’m very tempted to place an order for a CH jetbike at the moment although I will hold off for now until I complete some stuff first.

well I believe if your going to do a "original" model you gotta go 100% original.
Ok I see he did a computer rendering of this model but copying the gas tank back and making slight changes to the seat the backrest and engine is just "easy" and not creative as Kromlech or Maxmini.
Hey just my ¢.02.

Chapterhouse wrote:I have to say you are wrong on this. This is not a kit bash, in fact it is totally computer designed (except for the legs and arms which i had sculpted especially for this kit green stuff and all) there are NO Games Workshop parts in this kit at all (even in the displayed model).

Nick - Chapterhouse Studios

He may be wrong, but the parallels are very strong. The engine, seat and back look very similar, even to the point were you see were a tire could be.

To me, it looks like a clever conversion as opposed to an original model like the Kromlech one. In fact, if I had seen one and was told it was CH, I would have thought it was a conversion kit.

The price is nice, but for me, its a bit too weedy. The handle bars seem to small and I personally don't like how the top of the model from front to back is one level line. Makes it seem less imposing. But then again, I am all for more options.

...I don't think it was mentioned but that second control panel set will allow you guys to use those spare combi-weapons you might have if you purchased one of the combi-weapon set.

I think it looks terrible. Lacking detail, the vent... thing, or whatever it is, on the front is waay too big, the bolters are too small, the handlebars look like they'd snap from a sharp glance.

Criticism is fine, but let's not make it insulting please. ta.
Reds8n

I really want to like it... I don't know maybe just the blockiness of it, however in saying that it is cheap and would only take a few spare bitz to make it look really nice, probably will end up picking some up for my pre heresy plans and what do people not understand that marines used to use jet bikes

GreyDeathOne wrote: well I believe if your going to do a "original" model you gotta go 100% original.
Ok I see he did a computer rendering of this model but copying the gas tank back and making slight changes to the seat the backrest and engine is just "easy" and not creative as Kromlech or Maxmini.
Hey just my ¢.02.

... says the guy whose name is a "kitbash" of a long time Dakka moderator/famous converter: Grey Death

Kitbashing needs a kit: No Kit used, no kitbash. And what could be more generic than a square tank and a bike seat.

Its a kit made with aesthetic compatibility in mind. Kromlech and Maxmini may have what some consider more creative jetbikes, but I would never use either in my army because I don't think they aesthtically mesh with my army.

This is meant to be used for kitbashing and not be army specific, so it doesn't have the ton of hood ornaments many have grown accustomed too. Nick wanted it plain so that he could have additional details sculpted on, later on, for other variants.


Some people feel entitled to their opinions... and thats fine... others feel additionally entitled spite. I know how much time, energy, and effort I put into this... so I know it certainly wasn't churned out.

Everytime I work on a project for CHS, I run a blog in Dakka's P&M Blog's forum, I do so because I'm open to criticism and notes from the people I see as my audience. That said I really feel people have had the opportunity to influence the design or complain about features, but that was then. Trying to do so now just seems silly to me. I don't insist people like it, but at this stage I only expect an appreciation for the effort that went into it.

Kanluwen wrote:I want to like it.

Jetbikes are one of those things covered under "Rule of Cool"(because let's face facts--they're awesome).

But it just looks like a normal Imperial Bike with the wheel slots covered up, a cowcatcher from a locomotive put on the front, and the footrest for the normal bike reversed.

Exactly. What's not to like?

Those look pretty sweet. They might fit perfectly into my new project.

Some of it looks really nice. I like the prow, and the engine. The only part I'm not so hot on is the bolters. They look too small and maybe bland. I get that was partially to ensure compatibility with the combi kit, but at the end of the day that's a pretty weak point. Even just adding longer, heavier barrels would have maybe improved it.

Only the optional controls are for the combi bolters and you can see how much larger those are than these. These are small, because I was instructed to leave room for some sort of an eagle to fit between the guns... which limited how wide the "guns" could be... which was already constrained by the need to have a magazine.

Side note: while less dramatic, at 28mm scale, the barrels are what a .75 cal weapon's would scale to. Working on my 1:1 bolter... a bolters barrel ends up at 1 3/4" diameter while shooting a projectile less than half that.

I prefer a more streamlined and sleek look when it comes to something that flies. Not Eldar-sleek, mind.

More of a motorcycle faring/front cowling -thing.

Also it does look kinda bland. Not anything that a few bits can't help, but I prefer a more ornate look to the pre-heresy stuff.

aka_mythos wrote:


Some people feel entitled to their opinions... and thats fine... others feel additionally entitled spite. I know how much time, energy, and effort I put into this... so I know it certainly wasn't churned out.

Everytime I work on a project for CHS, I run a blog in Dakka's P&M Blog's forum, I do so because I'm open to criticism and notes from the people I see as my audience. That said I really feel people have had the opportunity to influence the design or complain about features, but that was then. Trying to do so now just seems silly to me. I don't insist people like it, but at this stage I only expect an appreciation for the effort that went into it.

So you're only interested in hearing feedback on your work from loyal fans that follow your P&M blog? Why would people comment on a product that they could have dug through the P&M forum months ago to comment on? How silly of them. What a silly thing to do.
That fact that your implying that some of the negative comments are motivated by spite tells me that you're taking them personally. Have you read peoples comments on every new model that gets posted in News and Rumours? They rip peoples work to shreds, sculptors that have been producing quality work for decades. Should you get treated differently because you also post on Dakka?

The bike is...fine. The price makes it acceptable. The grill at the front seems oddly uneven and the "bolters" don't match the aesthetic of anyone's army unless they're equipping all their men with RT beakie needle pistols.
The groin on the legs could use a slight tilt forward IMO. If the arms etc are all lined up properly in the preview pics the torso looks like it's sits over the ball joint instead of snugly on top of it.

plastictrees wrote:
So you're only interested in hearing feedback on your work from loyal fans that follow your P&M blog? Why would people comment on a product that they could have dug through the P&M forum months ago to comment on? How silly of them. What a silly thing to do.
That fact that your implying that some of the negative comments are motivated by spite tells me that you're taking them personally. Have you read peoples comments on every new model that gets posted in News and Rumours? They rip peoples work to shreds, sculptors that have been producing quality work for decades. Should you get treated differently because you also post on Dakka?

No I don't expect special treatment. In fairness what you quoted was in response to something someone posted that got deleted. It was in response to HBMC calling someone out for saying "CHS is churning out crap," and him saying that the comment was unnecessary. There are plenty of posts that were made that were not in favor of my design choices and I really am fine with those but someone crossed a line and I felt I should comment on that specific instance. If you go back a page you can even see where Reds8n mod-ed the post.

I make a distiniction between feedback from criticism and critique. To me feedback is made when I'm still empowered to do something about it, based on whats said; at this point I am not. So you can like the model or not and I will take the criticisms into consideration for future endeavors, but one crosses a line from constructive critism into "spite" when a comment isn't constructive at all... such as calling it "crap"... it serves no purpose but to beleager either the work or those who did the work.

I try to reflect my philosophy when I post. I don't just say something is junk, I say what I personally would have done differently. I try to analyize what the sculptor tried to accomplish and see where they ran afoul of their concept. I try to be a consistent voice in giving designers a fair shake and I don't like it when people are unfair in their criticism. I hold them to simple metric, "do I believe I could have done better?" In this case, even with my own work I think I could have, but there was the impact of dictated design considerations.

plastictrees wrote:
The bike is...fine. The price makes it acceptable. The grill at the front seems oddly uneven and the "bolters" don't match the aesthetic of anyone's army unless they're equipping all their men with RT beakie needle pistols.
The groin on the legs could use a slight tilt forward IMO. If the arms etc are all lined up properly in the preview pics the torso looks like it's sits over the ball joint instead of snugly on top of it.

The grill if its uneven it'd have to be something with the casting or printing process... because the digital model is consistent out to 3 decimal points.
The groin I agree could use a tilt forward to make the rider lean forward more, which was what I intended, but I didn't sculpt that part. The torso is probably held on with sticky-tack so its probably why its sitting high.

aka_mythos wrote:

I make a distiniction between feedback from criticism and critique. To me feedback is made when I'm still empowered to do something about it, based on whats said; at this point I am not. So you can like the model or not and I will take the criticisms into consideration for future endeavors, but one crosses a line from constructive critism into "spite" when a comment isn't constructive at all... such as calling it "crap"... it serves no purpose but to beleager either the work or those who did the work.

I try to reflect my philosophy when I post. I don't just say something is junk, I say what I personally would have done differently. I try to analyize what the sculptor tried to accomplish and see where they ran afoul of their concept. I try to be a consistent voice in giving designers a fair shake and I don't like it when people are unfair in their criticism. I hold them to simple metric, "do I believe I could have done better?" In this case, even with my own work I think I could have, but there was the impact of dictated design considerations.

Which is fine, and your prerogative, but the "could you do better?" threshold would prevent 99% of potential customers who aren't sculptors from ever commenting on product. Actual constructive criticism should be a nice surprise, not the expected standard. "Hurray, I love it!" might feel nicer but it isn't really any more constructive than "This is the worst thing I've ever seen!".

aka_mythos wrote:
The grill if its uneven it'd have to be something with the casting or printing process... because the digital model is consistent out to 3 decimal points.

I think I'm seeing the distance between the front of each "vane" as being irregular. I'm guessing it's because the curve of each line is slightly deeper.
I'm a little surprised you weren't told to go with an armour plated prow, that would seem more open to future add-ons.

I really like it me, i am looking forward to an attack bike alternative too.
I prefer it to the Kromlech jetbike, i just think it looks more imperial.
I much prefered it when Marines travelled on these things, i think i will be adding a few to my collection.

Kroothawk wrote:

GreyDeathOne wrote: well I believe if your going to do a "original" model you gotta go 100% original.
Ok I see he did a computer rendering of this model but copying the gas tank back and making slight changes to the seat the backrest and engine is just "easy" and not creative as Kromlech or Maxmini.
Hey just my ¢.02.

... says the guy whose name is a "kitbash" of a long time Dakka moderator/famous converter: Grey Death

Kitbashing needs a kit: No Kit used, no kitbash. And what could be more generic than a square tank and a bike seat.

Wow someone got offended . Look you may not like my name cause it is close to a great hobbiest Grey_Death, he may have had this name first on this great forum first bit I had this nickname when I was in the military in the early 90's so why should I change mine? There are tons of John's should they change it for you?!? GW Kroot + hawk =kitbash

So to your kitbash answer look at it any way you like but the gas tank, engine, seat (modified to be more square and shave off backrest) and rear fender are exact copy. Take a look at a GW model before you type your sensitive response . Even though CH did everything on a computer they did copy/duplicate the basic foundation of this jetbike. So kitbash/Hong Kong garage kit what ever you call it if you do it on a pc and bash your design on a GW design its still kit bashing but they did it and not the customer.

Poster: It's a kitbash!
Person who's selling the kit: No, it's not.
Person who designed the model: No, it's not.
Poster: You're both wrong! It's a kitbash.


I love the Internet.

And if we post pics of green masters etc it will be called photoshopped

Which is fine, and your prerogative, but the "could you do better?" threshold would prevent 99% of potential customers who aren't sculptors from ever commenting on product. Actual constructive criticism should be a nice surprise

The best things are in fact constructive criticisms, saying this is good but that is crap AND why plus what ought to be made better is really valuable.
What is not helpful nor wanted are jerk trolls coming in with personal insults, I am cerain that you agree.

Not all people will think it's a good model since people have different tastes and calling things "crap", "sucks" etc is perfectly fine as long as there is something constructive added also. Remember, no genuine input (both positive and/or negative) equals no better future products.

I'm a little surprised you weren't told to go with an armour plated prow, that would seem more open to future add-ons.

Because an armoured prow is far easier to sculpt up afterwards then to do a grille from an armoured prow.
Let me know what you would like to see changed and if enough people want it there might be changes of that nature made in the future.

Pyriel- wrote:

I'm a little surprised you weren't told to go with an armour plated prow, that would seem more open to future add-ons.

Because an armoured prow is far easier to sculpt up afterwards then to do a grille from an armoured prow.
Let me know what you would like to see changed and if enough people want it there might be changes of that nature made in the future.

Just to add to that, I always imagined some variant that clipped all or some number of those vanes to mount extra weapons or sensors or just some army specific detail.

I think it's awesome that Chapterhouse do what they do and I like the Jetbike, even though some parts do look like taken straight from the Marine Bike.

This model is making me consider an all biker army. Are the alternate weapon options included as well? (Flamers, plasma guns, meltas)

That's a very good price for the jetbike, and will help all the pre-heresy armies out there. I like CH kits, especially the Storm Raven kit. The fact that GW has been unable to close them down must also be an inspiration to other start-up companies and I'm looking forward to seeing what fan-made kits will be coming out in the future for all the models us gamers wish we had.

aka_mythos wrote:
I try to reflect my philosophy when I post. I don't just say something is junk, I say what I personally would have done differently. I try to analyize what the sculptor tried to accomplish and see where they ran afoul of their concept. I try to be a consistent voice in giving designers a fair shake and I don't like it when people are unfair in their criticism. I hold them to simple metric, "do I believe I could have done better?" In this case, even with my own work I think I could have, but there was the impact of dictated design considerations.

I generally agree with your points right up till this one. (my bold above). We pretty much all have skills. They typically fall in different areas. Disallowing people's criticism of aesthetics because they lack the specific skills to create the same product is BS. I can think Britney Spears' music is crap, even though I can't do better. I can think your model is crap even though I can't digitally sculpt better. I can call Rogue Warrior a crap game even though I'm unable to program or design digital art assets. etc, etc.

FWIW, your model is fine. It's not entirely to my personal aesthetic tastes, and it clearly draws direct copy-level inspiration from GW's bike, (as all CH stuff does) but that's fine as well, and it was obviously part of the CH brief - as with all of their product. I think it's priced fairly, and may/will probably pick up a couple to add variation to my Crusade forces if I go with Jetbikes - along with the alternatives.

i rather like it, i'm just bummed it looks a touch to large to incorporate into my goblin guard army

I juat realized one thing: chapter house now let us make an entire army of space marines, without spending a penny with GW...

I like this bike... it looks like I might have a viable option for finally converting a Master of the Ravenwing model of my own!

Pyriel- wrote:

Which is fine, and your prerogative, but the "could you do better?" threshold would prevent 99% of potential customers who aren't sculptors from ever commenting on product. Actual constructive criticism should be a nice surprise

The best things are in fact constructive criticisms, saying this is good but that is crap AND why plus what ought to be made better is really valuable.
What is not helpful nor wanted are jerk trolls coming in with personal insults, I am cerain that you agree.

Not all people will think it's a good model since people have different tastes and calling things "crap", "sucks" etc is perfectly fine as long as there is something constructive added also. Remember, no genuine input (both positive and/or negative) equals no better future products.

Agreed 100%. I had to finish up my last post a bit prematurely (lunch break finished) but you're absolutely correct.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:I juat realized one thing: chapter house now let us make an entire army of space marines, without spending a penny with GW...

And that is why they are being sued...


Outside of that I rather like the bike, their sculpt quality is improving of late.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:I juat realized one thing: chapter house now let us make an entire army of space marines, without spending a penny with GW...

do they have armsets, torsos and legs on sale? I can recall one torso, and maybe a fair amount of "not CSM heads" but not a lot of torsos and arms.. and the only legs are on this bike, and their old not-salamander hero..

paulson games wrote:

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:I juat realized one thing: chapter house now let us make an entire army of space marines, without spending a penny with GW...

And that is why they are being sued...


Outside of that I rather like the bike, their sculpt quality is improving of late.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:I juat realized one thing: chapter house now let us make an entire army of space marines, without spending a penny with GW...

porkuslime wrote:

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:I juat realized one thing: chapter house now let us make an entire army of space marines, without spending a penny with GW...

do they have armsets, torsos and legs on sale? I can recall one torso, and maybe a fair amount of "not CSM heads" but not a lot of torsos and arms.. and the only legs are on this bike, and their old not-salamander hero..

There are NO torsos on the site, nor are there non-rider legs or arms on the site..

I am honestly surprised at Paulson Game's post as he is involved in the same lawsuit (seems petty or just a snide comment and I am sure his attorneys are noting not to talk about the lawsuit as well)..

Nick - Chapterhouse Studios

plastictrees wrote:

Which is fine, and your prerogative, but the "could you do better?" threshold would prevent 99% of potential customers who aren't sculptors from ever commenting on product. Actual constructive criticism should be a nice surprise, not the expected standard. "Hurray, I love it!" might feel nicer but it isn't really any more constructive than "This is the worst thing I've ever seen!".

On the other hand, I think most people will only post if they like something. A compliment will make someone feel good, I think that alone is enough of a reason for a lot of people.

I try to only post a negative comment with something if I can offer a constructive criticism, and a reason for that dislike. Otherwise, what is the purpose?

stormboy wrote:The fact that I can identify the GW bits, that make up the majority of the bike, bothers me.

Edited because of 3 pages that got to it before me. : )

I run RT era jet bikes as my scout bikes... they look great (I think). I just mount them on regular bike bases rather than flying bases and then there's no question about what they represent. No one's ever complained about modeling for advantage (because there is no advantage gained) and most people really like the concept.

The old bikes are far too small for anything except scout though... so it's nice to see some viable options for normal marines. They seem to fit the model size well and be consistent with the "feel" of the universe.

They are somewhat plain, but as an avid kitbasher and customizer... they're more useful to me that way than if they were overly detailed.

I think the price is good too.

Chapterhouse wrote:

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:I juat realized one thing: chapter house now let us make an entire army of space marines, without spending a penny with GW...

There are NO torsos on the site, nor are there non-rider legs or arms on the site.

Maybe he is thinking of these

I am honestly surprised at Paulson Game's post as he is involved in the same lawsuit (seems petty or just a snide comment and I am sure his attorneys are noting not to talk about the lawsuit as well)..

I did not know we were sued because of that reason, at least GW didnt say that neither to us or the court for almost a year now. Maybe Paulson knows something nobody else does or maybe he's just nervous, maybe he just had a bad day who knows. I'm sure he is mature enough not to barge in with petty snyde comments in the future.

Regarding the non ornamented jetbike areas, if there is need and want enough for specific bling being added it will be done. I might be obnoxious from time to time but at least I try to listen to the wishes of the player community.

I dunno Pyriel- , I wonder if it wouldn't be better to have separately molded bling or panels that can be added at the whim of the purchaser rather than built-in bling that might limit the creative potential of the model. Let's face it... it's not the dad tossing cash for his pre-teen son's new hobby who are going to be buying these. Your target are probably veteran gamers & hobbyists... those more interested perhaps in being able to pimp their own rides.

Well torsos may not currently be available on their site, but weren't they selling complete full scale models for a while? Meaning that you could build a "marine looking army" without using any actual GW parts. They have complete models intended to be used for eldar currently for sale, so while the marine comment might be not 100% technically accurate if you switch out marine for eldar it applies.

As far as mentioning the case there's no issue there as there's no internal details mentioned. What I stated is pretty common public knowledge there's hundreds of pages about it here and on other sites. CH isn't exactly being sued over making lolipops.

It is off topic and kind of sad to see you guy bashing each other.

And no, you can't make an Eldar army either, consisting of Farseers and seated Farseers/Warlocks only.
Sometimes it is better to remain silent and don't make a fool out of yourself.

Edit: This is not an acceptable way to post on Dakka. Personal attacks are a violation of the rules you agreed to abide by when you made your account. -Mannahnin

paulson games wrote:Well torsos may not currently be available on their site, but weren't they selling complete full scale models for a while? Meaning that you could build a "marine looking army" without using any actual GW parts. They have complete models intended to be used for eldar currently for sale, so while the marine comment might be not 100% technically accurate if you switch out marine for eldar it applies.

As far as mentioning the case there's no issue there as there's no internal details mentioned. What I stated is pretty common public knowledge there's hundreds of pages about it here and on other sites. CH isn't exactly being sued over making lolipops.

Sry man. You are wrong... GW dont own "Sci-fi Knights" or "sci-fi elfs", those are free to use concepts. A you said, the said army would be "marine looking", not marine. They have complete models to be used as space elves, or slender mobile suits... if you use them as eldar you should go there and take some "anti-GW" treatment, serious, you are adicted...

Chapter House has been issued because GW lawyers thouth they would not strike back.

And just for you to know, i was not talking about any torso/head/arms made by chapter house... there are other companies around.

I'd hardly call what I posted as bashing, a bit snide perhaps but hardly bashing. Had it been bashing I would have been ripping on the quality of the sculpt.

I did say that I think the CH model quality is improving with their newer sculpts.

That is a pretty damn good jet bike. Great work!

Gitsplitta:
You are right, maybe loose pieces would be better, that or keeping things very generic and with a good theme in mind but these things are for the future to see, if at all.

Why are certain people (yes, you know that I'm referring to you) trying to turn this thread away from being about CHS' product & in to a playground style back and forth exchange of petty insults & off topic discussion? And then insulting other posters that have a valid point? Grow up and stay professional for christs' sake.

I second the notion of keeping bling separate. I love the idea of buying a blank 'canvas' and then adding the extras and designs that I want, as opposed to what the designer wanted my new found toy to look like. If anything that also makes the product more novel, and makes the business itself more about what the fans want. As long as these extra tiny little details aren't too expensive that is!

Peace.

Cool it. I am pruning the thread. No more personal attacks or fighting, please. Everyone agreed to abide by the Dakka rules when they made accounts here.

Meh.

Worglock wrote:Meh.

While I agree with you, "meh" rarely adds anything to the discussion.

To me the proportions of the thing are too squatty, which is funny given
that it's a Javelin class bike... I'd expect something sleeker.

Love the bikes, i'd fatten the tail end up some and maybe add hooked short stabilizer fins to the sides in form of an X but hey. N E A T.
On the "to buy when done with first tactical squad"-list!

I personally feel that the sculpt overall is just plain ugly.

It looks way too klunky and kitbashed from spare GW parts for my tastes. I mean heck, if you are going to make a model "from the ground up", make it something that stands out and is different from the traditional feel of things to add flavor to the table top.

I mean heck, I bet I could build at least 60-70% of this thing using GW spare parts.

My two cents.

I like the model overall. It still doesn't fit the aesthetic that I'm looking for, but neither does any other jetbike on the market. I'm sorry that I'm not able to fully put into words what it is that I am looking for, but like so many other things, I'll know it if I see it. Sorry I can't be more constructive than that, but out of what is offered on the market thus far, I'm more inclined to buy some of these than the others.

As a side note to all companies posting in any online forum, snide comments really detract from your own product. Critique is fine, but let's not be petty. It's an easy way to lose customers.

I like the model, but I don't think pretending it's heavily based on the look of SM bikes is going to fool anybody. Kitbash or not, several components are nearly identical to parts from the current bike: the central tank, the rear quarter panels (from the current attack bike), and even the bolters look like the old rhino bolters.

Looks good, and I like the price, but no matter how you slice it, there's a clear aesthetic similarity.

Please do not spam this thread with off-topic nonsense. Thanks! ~Manchu

It's hilarious how many people hate on Chapterhouse for putting out new stuff.

Besides the bolters looking a little plain, I love the jetbike. Can't wait for someone to put together a bike army using just those!

Let's keep this on-topic and ignore the flamebait please. Thanks! ~Manchu

Nobody has yet to convince me that more products, even bad ones, actually hurts the hobby.

Polonius wrote:I like the model, but I don't think pretending it's heavily based on the look of SM bikes is going to fool anybody. Kitbash or not, several components are nearly identical to parts from the current bike: the central tank, the rear quarter panels (from the current attack bike), and even the bolters look like the old rhino bolters.

Looks good, and I like the price, but no matter how you slice it, there's a clear aesthetic similarity.

Aesthetics are skin deep... I didn't have any bikes on hand when I made it. The proportions and general size were largely dictated by the size of the pill shaped base and the other constraints I was given... such as the ability for later ornamentation to be sculpted on and the need for variants to support both heavily and lightly armored drivers. It is only supperficially similar, if you held both in your hand for a side by side comparison, the differences are very apparent.

When you make something to look like it soundly belongs along side something else you're working off aesthetics. By eye this jetbike overall is longer and thinner. The rear is thicker but doesn't stick up as high. The gas tank wider. When aesthetic similarities are the goal, why is it a surprise they end up aesthetically similar, even when dimensionally distinguishable?

I don't think it's a surprise. I assumed that was the intent.

And, not to be snide, but telling me how different they look in my hand doesn't help me.

Maybe when compared side by side the similarities won't be so extreme. I can see that.

And when somebody is saying "x looks like y," saying "but they're only superficially similar," actually confirms it. My point is that they are superficially similar.

I had simply assumed that this similarity was intentional.

Polonius wrote:I don't think it's a surprise. I assumed that was the intent.

And, not to be snide, but telling me how different they look in my hand doesn't help me.

Maybe when compared side by side the similarities won't be so extreme. I can see that.

And when somebody is saying "x looks like y," saying "but they're only superficially similar," actually confirms it. My point is that they are superficially similar.

I had simply assumed that this similarity was intentional.

I think you took that the wrong way. I was attempting to address the same conversation you had been by adding to what you were saying. I wasn't trying to qualify or contradict. It was more to say comparing it in a picture the way it is allows a judgement on aesthetics, as you made. Thats fair. I was just getting at the fact that calling it a kit bash, something you were addressing from another poster in your post, ignores aspects of the model you can't really grasp just from a picture. Then I just simply expanded on a description of those elements that emphasize its not a kit bash and its not copied. The last chunk of what I said was just an untargeted statement, stating intent, and to convey my surprise at the fact others are seemingly surprised.

aka_mythos wrote:Its a kit made with aesthetic compatibility in mind. Kromlech and Maxmini may have what some consider more creative jetbikes, but I would never use either in my army because I don't think they aesthtically mesh with my army.

This is meant to be used for kitbashing and not be army specific, so it doesn't have the ton of hood ornaments many have grown accustomed too. Nick wanted it plain so that he could have additional details sculpted on, later on, for other variants.


Some people feel entitled to their opinions... and thats fine... others feel additionally entitled spite. I know how much time, energy, and effort I put into this... so I know it certainly wasn't churned out.

Everytime I work on a project for CHS, I run a blog in Dakka's P&M Blog's forum, I do so because I'm open to criticism and notes from the people I see as my audience. That said I really feel people have had the opportunity to influence the design or complain about features, but that was then. Trying to do so now just seems silly to me. I don't insist people like it, but at this stage I only expect an appreciation for the effort that went into it.

I like it alot. Will have to place some on order. Dont worry about the spite, trolls (old hags) will be trolls

I had an acquaintance who was making his own jetbikes. I was about to ask him if I could post a pic as a design suggestion for the front-end of future variants, but he seems to have disappeared. His facebook account has been closed and I can't get in touch with him.

Anyway, the point I was going to make with my pic is that there is a way to be both sleek and still maintain the classic blocky, brick-like aesthetic for which the Space Marines are known. Alas, I can't find my copy of the pic either (i fear it may be locked up in a dead laptop...).

If a future variant with an armored front is released, I may be up for 10 or so, depending on the design.

nectarprime wrote:It's hilarious how many people hate on Chapterhouse for putting out new stuff....

So what are you saying/suggesting? That people should blindly love a product despite their own personal views of it just because CHS put it out?

I disagree with you're viewpoint.


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Spacemanvic wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:Its a kit made with aesthetic compatibility in mind. Kromlech and Maxmini may have what some consider more creative jetbikes, but I would never use either in my army because I don't think they aesthtically mesh with my army.

This is meant to be used for kitbashing and not be army specific, so it doesn't have the ton of hood ornaments many have grown accustomed too. Nick wanted it plain so that he could have additional details sculpted on, later on, for other variants.


Some people feel entitled to their opinions... and thats fine... others feel additionally entitled spite. I know how much time, energy, and effort I put into this... so I know it certainly wasn't churned out.

Everytime I work on a project for CHS, I run a blog in Dakka's P&M Blog's forum, I do so because I'm open to criticism and notes from the people I see as my audience. That said I really feel people have had the opportunity to influence the design or complain about features, but that was then. Trying to do so now just seems silly to me. I don't insist people like it, but at this stage I only expect an appreciation for the effort that went into it.

I like it alot. Will have to place some on order. Dont worry about the spite, trolls (old hags) will be trolls

So just because someone doesn't like the product they are now automatically a troll acting out of spite?

Please...

No, if someone is being a huge dick, like some people in this thread have been doing, that's uncalled for trolling.

Constructive criticism is great and I know CH appreciates it. Folks just being mean for the sake of being mean don't help anyone.

Hope that simplified it enough for you.

nectarprime wrote:No, if someone is being a huge dick, like some people in this thread have been doing, that's uncalled for trolling.

Constructive criticism is great and I know CH appreciates it. Folks just being mean for the sake of being mean don't help anyone.

Hope that simplified it enough for you.

"Dumb" it down all you want bro, I still disagree with you're viewpoint on the subject and think you are wrong.

jp400 wrote:
So just because someone doesn't like the product they are now automatically a troll acting out of spite?

Please...

At least one poster said that they wished that CHS would go out of business for the good of the hobby. (this may have been modded). That's pretty spiteful.

Critique is usually a bit more nuanced than "I hate it and want the creator to stop making things."

jp400 wrote:

nectarprime wrote:No, if someone is being a huge dick, like some people in this thread have been doing, that's uncalled for trolling.

Constructive criticism is great and I know CH appreciates it. Folks just being mean for the sake of being mean don't help anyone.

Hope that simplified it enough for you.

"Dumb" it down all you want bro, I still disagree with you're viewpoint on the subject and think you are wrong.

Oh no, someone on the internet thinks I'm wrong!

I'm kind of confused with what you're disagreeing with. You think that being a jerk to CH is better than constructive criticism?

nectarprime wrote:

jp400 wrote:

nectarprime wrote:No, if someone is being a huge dick, like some people in this thread have been doing, that's uncalled for trolling.

Constructive criticism is great and I know CH appreciates it. Folks just being mean for the sake of being mean don't help anyone.

Hope that simplified it enough for you.

"Dumb" it down all you want bro, I still disagree with you're viewpoint on the subject and think you are wrong.

Oh no, someone on the internet thinks I'm wrong!

I'm interested in parsing what exactly he disagrees with.

Does he think the opposite of everything? Some key point?

Maybe he feels that being a huge dick is perfectly called for, constructive criticism is bad and CH hates it, and being mean helps people.

It's a fascinating, if likely pathological, perspective.

Polonius wrote:

jp400 wrote:
So just because someone doesn't like the product they are now automatically a troll acting out of spite?

Please...

At least one poster said that they wished that CHS would go out of business for the good of the hobby. (this may have been modded). That's pretty spiteful.

Critique is usually a bit more nuanced than "I hate it and want the creator to stop making things."

Hmm.... It must have been modded, for I have/did not see it. If the above was said, then I can agree that what was said was abit over the line.

jp400 wrote:Hmm.... It must have been modded, for I have/did not see it. If the above was said, then I can agree that what was said was abit over the line.

Yeah, like most people I'm deeply underwhelmed by most CHS stuff. Some is pretty good, some is really bad, and most is very "meh."

But some of the comments aren't even about the product... they're just about how much people hate CHS.

Polonius wrote:

jp400 wrote:Hmm.... It must have been modded, for I have/did not see it. If the above was said, then I can agree that what was said was abit over the line.

Yeah, like most people I'm deeply underwhelmed by most CHS stuff. Some is pretty good, some is really bad, and most is very "meh."

But some of the comments aren't even about the product... they're just about how much people hate CHS.

I couldn't agree more with the bolded part of this.

Myself, I don't hate CHS... I just don't like their product lines enough compared to others out their to actually spend money on them.

Polonius wrote:
But some of the comments aren't even about the product... they're just about how much people hate CHS.

...This is where I have a problem with those individuals. Many comments are constructive criticism for the product at hand, and I do appreciate those. At the same time there are a number who's coments are aimed at the company and not for the specific product, where some criticisms is born purely out of that sentiment and not out of any sincere attempt to help CHS improve its offerings.

Well, I don't think all criticism of publicly marketted item need to be constructive. I might not read them much, but there's nothing wrong with saying "X is simply poorly scuplted and bland."

Hell, some of the funniest things I've read have been scathing reviews of products. Those usually aren't personal though (or as personal as a corporate creator can get).

aka_mythos wrote:
some criticisms is born purely out of that sentiment and not out of any sincere attempt to help CHS improve its offerings.

How is that in any way the responsibility of anyone posting here? This is an advert to sell CH product. If this was your sculpting thread then I can see that being a valid complaint, but this is News and Rumours.

jp400 wrote:

Polonius wrote:

jp400 wrote:Hmm.... It must have been modded, for I have/did not see it. If the above was said, then I can agree that what was said was abit over the line.

Yeah, like most people I'm deeply underwhelmed by most CHS stuff. Some is pretty good, some is really bad, and most is very "meh."

But some of the comments aren't even about the product... they're just about how much people hate CHS.

I couldn't agree more with the bolded part of this.

Myself, I don't hate CHS... I just don't like their product lines enough compared to others out their to actually spend money on them.

I agree with this mostly, the jet bike is just another example in a line of poorly envisioned and unoriginal products. If you put the jetbike next to a regular GW bike it looks like the engine and rear section has been badly copied (same elements in the same numbers in roughly the same places. It's a JETbike, and it evokes nothing that the better (though still not great in my opinion) options by the likes of Kromlek and the rest.

Polonius wrote:Hell, some of the funniest things I've read have been scathing reviews of products. Those usually aren't personal though (or as personal as a corporate creator can get).

Still most scathing reviews, when they aren't just hate filled rants for the sake of it, tend to have something to point out that was a significant oversight. Either something that should have been apparent or something that shouldn't have been overlooked. They tend not to be the one or two sentences that say little to nothing.

plastictrees wrote:
How is that in any way the responsibility of anyone posting here? This is an advert to sell CH product. If this was your sculpting thread then I can see that being a valid complaint, but this is News and Rumours.

Who said its a responsibility?-If theres a responsibility, its only from the poster to themselves. It is to formulate a justifiable opinion that can be articulated; it is for the individual to express themselves to the fullest extent, in a manner that can be interpreted as more than an emotional sentiment. Some might as well just post individual " " emoticons for as little as they really say. People are in a forum to communicate; so communicate. They shouldn't sit there and do the internet equivalent of scowling. They do themselves the disservice by having our ears and saying nothing that we could use to make them happier.This thread is only one part ad; the other part dialogue with the customer base. If it were only meant to be an ad, the release would just be on the add at the top of the window.

I like it for it's aesthetics actually. I like how it is NOT festooned with skulls (bling) just for the sake of glittering it up. Skulls do not equal skill IMHO. I actually dremel off the skulls from many of my SM models.

I like it's bulky lines, very much in keeping with 40K's Space Marine steampunk. I like the fairing in the front, reminiscent of early chrome on old cars, again adding to the mystique of it being from another era. I like how it, in a passing sense, is the "predecessor" for the Space Marine bike in that it almost echos certain components (fuel tank, rear exhaust etc) which in turn gives credence to the SM bikes lineage. To me it all harkens back to the HH period in 40K lore. Add stowage to the back of the bike and it makes a credible jet bike.

I hope it goes together better than the 10 GW landspeeders I have that needed some work to close gaps. For an experienced model company like GW, that faux pas was inexcusable.

I think this jet bike is a well executed model and will find a happy place in my collection. Might even be escorts for the 10 speeders.

I am very pleased with the looks of this model. Not familiar with Chapterhouse (other than all the legal battle threads), but this may get me into purchasing from 'em

Had a look at the P&M thread and have to say I much preferred the bike when it had the smaller side jet bits - looked a lot better steamlined. So many of the jetbike scratch builds and kit bashes have huge rear ends that just look totally unbalanced to me.

But on the rest of the model:

The guns look too small - I would have to file them off and replace them if I were to use the model.

I would probably redo the front - the grill just looks off; it doesn't seem to serve any mechanical purpose that I can see and aesthetically it doesn't look good. I would probably go for the smooth shape of Imperial ships instead.

I would probably remove most of the foot plate, leaving just the actual foot pads (a-la imperial speeder bike things from star wars).

I would also probably remove the super sized side jet bits and replace them with some kind of mini-wing arrangement.

Also, why would a bet bike have a regular engine? Some more jet-engine like detailing on the "engine" section would make the bike look better. Either that or some technical cowling.

The Javelin Jetbike is now on the site and available for sales here for $14.00.

Here is a teaser for the design of the Pilum Class Heavy Attack Jet Bike. This kit will consist of the original Javelin kit with the addition of side mounted heavy weapons and a heavier engine and control surfaces.



Have a good holiday week!

Nick - Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Looking at both of these, I think I'm not a fan of the jet intakes right beside the rider's legs. Seems like it's asking for trouble...

Also not really sure about the heavy weapons being mounted so far back on either side. Assuming that they would be slaved together, that would seriously cut into their fire arc at close-in targets.

Other than that, I like it

Well riders are always wearing power armor, so it's not like pant legs will get sucked into the intakes.

I agree that rear mounted weapons limits their firing capability.

Aerethan wrote:Well riders are always wearing power armor, so it's not like pant legs will get sucked into the intakes.

Yeah, but a whole ceramite-covered leg is going to have a more, er... drastic effect on a jet turbine than one clad in trousers.

Yeah, I see what your talking about, then again, we are talking about anti-gravity vehicles with 1000 pound super soldiers riding on them..

True to life aerodynamics went out the window a long time ago..

That's the tricky part, really. When you're dealing with science fiction vehicles, there's a line between 'science' and 'fiction', and anything that's too far into the 'fiction' side of the line can grate on the sensibilities... but exactly where that line lies is going to depend on the individual, and is often completely arbitrary.

For mine, the jet intake falls into the 'too far' section. Others' opinions may vary.

I like the model overall. Now if only CH did some Red Hunters doors and shoulders! Or if they started making fantasy bits. I bet some slash and puff arms for Empire players would sell well.

Aerethan wrote:Well riders are always wearing power armor, so it's not like pant legs will get sucked into the intakes.

But what about our favorite dress wearing first legion marines? They didn't listen to Edna Mode...

I quite like the design of the attack bike. Aesthetically, the javelin bike design was missing something (although nothing a conversion couldn’t fix). The Pilum bike has some of the flair that the Javelin bike was lacking and appears to better match the jetbike artwork I’ve seen.

In regards to the design, personally I’d like to see the front mounted twin linked bolters to be a little larger and more prominent as well as a little more aesthetic embellishment in the design as well.

@Chapterhouse
Nick, I have two questions. Firstly is the kit only going to come with Heavy Bolter sponsons or is it also going to come with melta sponsons as well? Secondly, are the heavy weapons going to be optional/detachable or are they fused onto the back? I’m hoping they are optional so as one could either use the kit to make a standard bike or magnetize the back end to allow for easy swapping between different heavy weapon options.

Chapterhouse wrote:Yeah, I see what your talking about, then again, we are talking about anti-gravity vehicles with 1000 pound super soldiers riding on them..

True to life aerodynamics went out the window a long time ago..

Please don't ever use that as an excuse in fantasy/scifi settings. Then we get things like Games Workshop's Storm Raven.

There's a difference between realism and verisimilitude/believability.

candy.man wrote:I quite like the design of the attack bike. Aesthetically, the javelin bike design was missing something (although nothing a conversion couldn’t fix). The Pilum bike has some of the flair that the Javelin bike was lacking and appears to better match the jetbike artwork I’ve seen.

In regards to the design, personally I’d like to see the front mounted twin linked bolters to be a little larger and more prominent as well as a little more aesthetic embellishment in the design as well.

@Chapterhouse
Nick, I have two questions. Firstly is the kit only going to come with Heavy Bolter sponsons or is it also going to come with melta sponsons as well? Secondly, are the heavy weapons going to be optional/detachable or are they fused onto the back? I’m hoping they are optional so as one could either use the kit to make a standard bike or magnetize the back end to allow for easy swapping between different heavy weapon options.

candy.man,

I made a point to have the design so that the weapons are easily magnetized and swapped out. The kit will come with large caliber ballistic weapons as well as "melta" analogues. I believe the actual design has spaces for the magnets built into the kit and I am planning on selling them complete with both weapon options and the magnets.

I was trying to avoid straight out copying the standard GWs bolter designs, some companies feel confortable doing that, we did not, thats why our weapons are smaller and different on the front of the bike. That does not stop customers from easily cutting ours out and adding their own bolters onto the front.

Nick

vitki wrote:

Aerethan wrote:Well riders are always wearing power armor, so it's not like pant legs will get sucked into the intakes.

But what about our favorite dress wearing first legion marines? They didn't listen to Edna Mode...

Those are the guys who'd be most suited for these sorts of things (in my collection, anyway) and the same thought popped into my head. Long scarves are in fashion again this season...

[Mod Edit - Stay on target - and stay polite.]

The attack bike is a bit of a let down. I was hoping for a sidecar. Without one it makes the Master of the Ravenwing just as viable with his underslung plasma cannon

A side car? On a jet bike? o.O

Generally, I like this new design although I'm still not a big fan of the front grill.

@Chapterhouse
Thanks for your reply. Selling the product as a “complete kit” is a good idea and I am all for it.

Quick question. Has the kit been designed so that the bike would still look normal if one were to assemble the kit without the heavy weapons? Design wise, that bike would look very good as both a standard bike and an attack bike and it would be a shame if the kit could only build an attack bike. I think if the kit were to function this way, it could be marketed as a 3in1 kit.

personally, attack jet bikes for marines should have a chariot back on them rather then just wing mounted heavy weapons

Are the air intakes next to where the feet would be, or behind where the feet would be?

candy.man wrote:@Chapterhouse
Design wise, that bike would look very good as both a standard bike and an attack bike and it would be a shame if the kit could only build an attack bike. I think if the kit were to function this way, it could be marketed as a 3in1 kit.

My thoughts exactly.
Many posts ago I stated that I didn't know what I was looking for in a jetbike but that I would know it when I saw it. Well, if this bike looks as great without the heavy weapons as it does with them, then I think I've seen exactly what I was looking for!
Seriously, if it looks good without the heavy weapons, I may get 10 of these. I'd have to get some good pics before I commit though.


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H.B.M.C. wrote:Are the air intakes next to where the feet would be, or behind where the feet would be?

It looks like they're beside the foot rests, but the image is from a funny angle...

I can see the point about the intakes... but I couldn't really care, either way.
As for the location of the weapons... a bike is an infantry model. It has a 180 degree firing arc, but can turn freely in the shooting phase. So, weapon location doesn't really matter.

If you look at the GW bike with the side car and try to associate the same logic, then there's no way they could shoot anyone on the right side of the model. Same thing.

Eric

By the way, our new website is now launched. Same old address - www.chapterhousestudios.com

Oh wow, it looks much better. Congratulations!

I better scoot on over and check it out then! :-)


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Yep, very nice indeed, like what you've done, looks very professional and easy to navigate! should attract buyers with the cleanliness of it all!

Thanks,

The old site has kept us going for the last 3 years or so. It was a budgeted site for a newly formed business.

Now that we are a bit more mainstream I felt it was time for a change. I am looking to the future and hope to increase our retail presence as well (look for retail packaging as well as retailer logins).

Nick

Planning on true-scale space marines? I see a tab but no products...

Chapterhouse wrote:By the way, our new website is now launched. Same old address - www.chapterhousestudios.com

Psst - commissions...

MagickalMemories wrote:As for the location of the weapons... a bike is an infantry model. It has a 180 degree firing arc, but can turn freely in the shooting phase. So, weapon location doesn't really matter.

It doesn't matter rules-wise, in the current incarnation of 40K. That's a completely separate issue from whether or not it's a good design aesthetically or practically, though.

If you look at the GW bike with the side car and try to associate the same logic, then there's no way they could shoot anyone on the right side of the model. Same thing.

Not quite. The attack bike does still have a reasonable arc to the side. Having to weapons slaved together on opposite sides of the vehicle restricts both of them to firing to the front... and mounting them so far back imposes a minimum range at which they can both lock on.

Assuming they actually have any sort of traverse. On closer inspection, it looks like they're just hooked in place and fire directly forwards. So you have two weapons firing straight ahead, with a gap between their stream of fire the width of the bike.

insaniak wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:As for the location of the weapons... a bike is an infantry model. It has a 180 degree firing arc, but can turn freely in the shooting phase. So, weapon location doesn't really matter.

It doesn't matter rules-wise, in the current incarnation of 40K. That's a completely separate issue from whether or not it's a good design aesthetically or practically, though.

If you look at the GW bike with the side car and try to associate the same logic, then there's no way they could shoot anyone on the right side of the model. Same thing.

Not quite. The attack bike does still have a reasonable arc to the side. Having to weapons slaved together on opposite sides of the vehicle restricts both of them to firing to the front... and mounting them so far back imposes a minimum range at which they can both lock on.

Assuming they actually have any sort of traverse. On closer inspection, it looks like they're just hooked in place and fire directly forwards. So you have two weapons firing straight ahead, with a gap between their stream of fire the width of the bike.

Everything you're saying supports the "reality" of the design and not the aesthetics. Aesthetically, I find the symmetry of it more pleasing than the GW sidecar version (don't get me wrong... I likes me some side cars lol).
My comment was specifically in response to when you said:

Also not really sure about the heavy weapons being mounted so far back on either side. Assuming that they would be slaved together, that would seriously cut into their fire arc at close-in targets.

Arc of fire and the ability to rotate do not matter from a game standpoint (presuming 40K rules), since the bike is presumed to be able to turn freely as needed. Having a gap between them is supported by the twin link aspect you mentioned; if one doesn't get ya, the other will. If it misses entirely... Well, then you turned sideways between them or stepped to the side. : )


Eric

Not quite. The attack bike does still have a reasonable arc to the side. Having to weapons slaved together on opposite sides of the vehicle restricts both of them to firing to the front... and mounting them so far back imposes a minimum range at which they can both lock on.

Assuming they actually have any sort of traverse. On closer inspection, it looks like they're just hooked in place and fire directly forwards. So you have two weapons firing straight ahead, with a gap between their stream of fire the width of the bike.

But somehow ork bikes are ok?

MagickalMemories wrote:Everything you're saying supports the "reality" of the design and not the aesthetics.

Yes and no. To a certain extent, they're linked. Having a design that makes practical sense (to me) makes it more aesthetically pleasing. YMMV, obviously.

Pyriel- wrote:But somehow ork bikes are ok?

From a practical design point of view? God, no. But they're Orks. Their vehicles aren't really designed with 'practical' in mind.

Besides, when you're incapable of consistently hitting a barn door from 3 feet away, not being able to point both of your weapons at the same target isn't such a big deal. In fact, it probably improves your chances of actually hitting something.

Guess this one is new (haven't seen it before):




Website looks cleaner and better, but is a bit more awkward to navigate (e.g. takes longer to get to Tyranid compatible bitz).

Minor bug on the website:
If a category has subcategories, it claims to have 0 in that category (e.g. claims to have 0 shoulder pads). Can irritate some people.

Kroothawk wrote:Guess this one is new (haven't seen it before):




Website looks cleaner and better, but is a bit more awkward to navigate (e.g. takes longer to get to Tyranid compatible bitz).

Minor bug on the website:
If a category has subcategories, it claims to have 0 in that category (e.g. claims to have 0 shoulder pads). Can irritate some people.

Thanks, sent that to the web designers.

Yes, thats been sitting in my office for the last 8 months.. sadly I just now added to the store!

From a practical design point of view? God, no. But they're Orks. Their vehicles aren't really designed with 'practical' in mind.

Besides, when you're incapable of consistently hitting a barn door from 3 feet away, not being able to point both of your weapons at the same target isn't such a big deal. In fact, it probably improves your chances of actually hitting something.

Ah, you have a point there.
Although I dont find ork bikes to be that bad at shooting with all the rerolls and so, certainly not as bad as traditional orks ought to be.

Besides, what vehicles in the SM armoury are designed with practical in mind? I cant come up with one single piece.

Rhino chassi armour have shell traps all over each arc, landraiders cant even traverse a minor road bump due to zero ground clearance, thunderhawks create such drag that half the spped potential is lost straight away and lets not even talk about the non-balanced stormchicken or the 5-lascannon landraider version with 2 of the weapons shooting at the vehicles own sponsons.

SO...my own point is that would a jetbike weapon not being put in the absolutely best position possible really be THAT big of an issue with you?
It's like complaining about that one undercooked pea in a plate full of spoiled food.

Heck, every time I take a look at a space marine or rhino on the tabletop I smile to myself over the ridiculous design flaws but hey, for me that is part of the charm and level of "cool".

Pyriel- wrote:SO...my own point is that would a jetbike weapon not being put in the absolutely best position possible really be THAT big of an issue with you?

Actually, yes.

To hold up the Land Raider Terminus as exhibit A... the regular Landraider is not hugely practical, but looks at least vaguely functional to a casual glance. The Terminus however is just silly. But given how fast people came up with alternative designs that worked much better, I can't help bu t wonder how much better a reception it would have received if GW had taken an extra few minutes to think through the design to create something a little less impractical.

For this bike, dropping the second weapon and mounting the left hand one on a pivot so that it has the same field of fire as an attack bike heavy weapon would be an improvement, to my mind. Mounting the heavy weapon on an underslung pivot Landspeeder-style would also work. Still silly, but silly within the confines of the existing model range's design ethos.

Aerethan wrote:Well riders are always wearing power armor, so it's not like pant legs will get sucked into the intakes.

I agree that rear mounted weapons limits their firing capability.

I'd be more concerned that a leg might get blown off if the rider was knocked too much. The idea of a heavy weapon firing from behind me would not fill me with confidence.

Mmm, very posh new webpage! The layout is much better, some of the pics did not supersize well (like the salamander helmet) but apart from that it looks pretty cool!

I personally like the heavy jetbike guns, they are placed close enough to the crat that it retains a streamlined shape and is not too bulky. The addition of the fins is also very welcome, it has a much more imperial look to it.

insaniak wrote:Assuming they actually have any sort of traverse. On closer inspection, it looks like they're just hooked in place and fire directly forwards. So you have two weapons firing straight ahead, with a gap between their stream of fire the width of the bike.

This isn't as big of a practical problem as you might initially think looking at a static model. This is a vehicle with some form of "anti-grav" technology (which is generally impossible under general relativity and improbable under quantum physics) and is therefore assumed capable of fairly sleek maneuvering and the ability to turn on a dime like Land Speeders. A gap between weapons wouldn't really matter at that point. Historically, I can think of several examples of similar designs on real life aircraft. The North American P-51 Mustang comes to mind, which had 2 sets of wing mounted machine guns slaved in inner and outer pairs (the P-51D had 3 sets). Yet somehow, despite the gap between the weapons, the P-51 accounted for 4,950 enemy aircraft shot down in WWII!

the regular Landraider is not hugely practical, but looks at least vaguely functional to a casual glance.

It does? Well we have to agree to disagree on this one.

As for the weapon positioning, how would having it mounted on a pivot behind and to the side of the rider sound?
Like a miniature turret to say, the right and behind the helmet of the rider?

Pyriel- wrote:As for the weapon positioning, how would having it mounted on a pivot behind and to the side of the rider sound?
Like a miniature turret to say, the right and behind the helmet of the rider?

That's what I do with my quad attack bikes. So yeah, works for me

@chapterhouse
will there be a future chariot back for the bike as well as heavy flamers?

The new homepage looks great !looks much more professional

Too bad the jetbike is horrible , the new maximini jetbike is like a miljon times better , sorry guys but you got ownd
http://www.beastsofwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Gothic-Jetbike-3D-Model-1.jpg

I don't mean to be rude, but I don't like it

I still miss the pre-heresy termi pads whear are they??

Claimh_Solais wrote:

Too bad the jetbike is horrible , the new maximini jetbike is like a miljon times better , sorry guys but you got ownd
http://www.beastsofwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Gothic-Jetbike-3D-Model-1.jpg

Seems a bit harsh!... I found that the maxmini one looked too steampunkish, particularly the cogs under the seat.

Tend to agree that was a bit harsh, but it was said from his own point of view.

As with everything, some will love it, some will hate it. I personally don't mind it, but I am not in love either. Apart from the Master of the Ravenwing, I haven't really seen jetbikes I like, and I am not massively in love with that one either!


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I do find the maxmini one oddly steampunky though -

Claimh_Solais wrote:Too bad the jetbike is horrible , the new maximini jetbike is like a miljon times better , sorry guys but you got ownd
http://www.beastsofwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Gothic-Jetbike-3D-Model-1.jpg

I don't mean to be rude, but I don't like it

The trick to not being rude is to, you know, not be rude.

Adding a disclaimer saying that you don't mean to be rude doesn't make your comment any less out of line... it just suggests that you're fully aware that you're being rude, but couldn't be bothered taking the time to actually explain your viewpoint.

Explaining what you don't like about it is constructive. Just pointing out that it is horrible is not.

I like the site update, consider getting the webmaster to migrate the old user reviews.

Yeah Ill work on that once the festivities are over..

To the poster who posted the other companies web link for a competing product.

Not cool, I hope noone ever goes into a business you own and starts telling your potential customers about the guy selling similiar items down the street..

Chapterhouse wrote:Yeah Ill work on that once the festivities are over..

To the poster who posted the other companies web link for a competing product.

Not cool, I hope noone ever goes into a business you own and starts telling your potential customers about the guy selling similiar items down the street..

At the risk of sounding trollish...


Pretty sure I've seen you do the same.

Kudos on the new site, really loving the new design!

I know this is a sneak peak Nick but any word on when the Pilum bike is going to be released? Also is the image you posted the final design or are any planned revisions?

Chapterhouse wrote:Yeah Ill work on that once the festivities are over..

To the poster who posted the other companies web link for a competing product.

Not cool, I hope noone ever goes into a business you own and starts telling your potential customers about the guy selling similiar items down the street..

I wouldn't worry about it. That other bike, while nice also, is way too clockword steamtech looking for 40k. Its a better fit for warmachine.

Personally, I think its a great jetbike, but its not for me. It would be a great resource for conversions, but I think its too similar to the modern SM jetbikes for my army (CSM. i have the same issue with the official GW CSM bikes) so I am undecided on whether or not ill get the Javelin Jetbike. It could be fun to work with, so i may get one to lead my Alpha Legion bikers once I reach that stage of my project.

Random aside, I've been looking at ordering from chapterhouse for a while, but my issue is currently the delivery costs to my country. I'm unable to order from bits sites mostly because many of the ones ive tried to order from have shipping costs to my country that essentially double or even triple the cost of my order, immediately putting it out of my budget. so i am wondering what the shipping costs are like for Chapterhouse?

I think you guys at chapterhouse should keep up the awesome work, even if it isnt all for me. I'd love it if you started offering more pre-heresy style bits or some chaos styled bits, that would get me purchasing regularly.

Chapterhouse wrote:Yeah Ill work on that once the festivities are over..

To the poster who posted the other companies web link for a competing product.

Not cool, I hope noone ever goes into a business you own and starts telling your potential customers about the guy selling similiar items down the street..

Unfortunately there are several competing jet bike designs available and this being the internet you're not going to be able to keep that a secret. Your work is good though, no need to get outspokenly annoyed (even if you're seething inside!). Competitors are a fact of doing business, even if people like Games Workshop seem to have forgotten that.

I'm also curious about all the talk I've been seeing about sidecars. Did I miss a photo somewhere?

I like the new website design overall.

Kroothawk wrote:
Minor bug on the website:
If a category has subcategories, it claims to have 0 in that category (e.g. claims to have 0 shoulder pads). Can irritate some people.

Related to the above: would it be possible to display all items in a category/subcategory, rather than having to get down to the bottom of the 'tree' before seeing them? So for example be able to display all the Space Marine shoulder pads on one page, rather than one-page-per-Chapter/Legion (i.e. as well as navigating to the bottom of the 'tree', being able to see everything in a higher-level category).

Also I can't see any TRU-scale stuff on there, is that yet to be added?

Regarding the Pilum - Design is finished, I am getting prices for the master and then it will be off to the molders - eta 4-6 weeks.

Regarding the shipping. I think for the most part our international shipping is 8.50$-12.50. I have to mention though that no tracking is available at that price and we take no responsibility for delays or misplaced packages. Traceked international shipping cost start at around $35 for the smallest packages (most customers would never want to pay that).

REgarding the new site - I still have some streamlining to do concerning some product photos, reviews, and store presentation, I am looking at all of your statements and will do my best to make the site as streamlined as possible. My next step is to take all items like shoulder pads, put them in the master shoulderpad category, and also then break them down to sub-categories.

Hope everyone ate enough food yesterday.

Nick

Chapterhouse wrote:
Regarding the shipping. I think for the most part our international shipping is 8.50$-12.50. I have to mention though that no tracking is available at that price and we take no responsibility for delays or misplaced packages. Traceked international shipping cost start at around $35 for the smallest packages (most customers would never want to pay that).

Thanks for your answer. That should be reasonable, I shall only have to hold out until its a bigger order for me to make. Thanks again!

insaniak wrote:The trick to not being rude is to, you know, not be rude.

Adding a disclaimer saying that you don't mean to be rude doesn't make your comment any less out of line... it just suggests that you're fully aware that you're being rude, but couldn't be bothered taking the time to actually explain your viewpoint.

Explaining what you don't like about it is constructive. Just pointing out that it is horrible is not.

Okay let me explain in more detail then.

With all the crap the poor stormraven(GW kit not the truescale CH kit) I thought that you have to be so rude ,could not believe people were so sensitive just because it is a smaller company, but okay I was a little too hard , The jetbike is not horrid...its just ugly
but now people noted me anyway: P

So why is it ugly ? I tell you
It look like somthing GW did in the early 90s , it has no real details.
the guns (I know you cant copy a bolter) but thy look way to smal and so dose the handles
the exhaust pipes are only a cylinder NO details at all why not do it mor dynamic with holes and stuff (like the ones on the back of a dread thing)
the bakpart is also just a block ( I know marines like blocky stuff ,but here is a difference between blocky and plain borring

I like the front part tho

So hope his is more of constructive criticism then

Chapterhouse wrote:Yeah Ill work on that once the festivities are over..

To the poster who posted the other companies web link for a competing product.

Not cool, I hope noone ever goes into a business you own and starts telling your potential customers about the guy selling similiar items down the street..

Well its a free market , we have competition (and Im not the only one to post pics of a difrent companys products in this thread)
If i think some other company makes a better produkt well then I tell people about it
and potential customers who see yours jetbik.. I am almost certain have sean the others too, so its not like we nead to hide them

See it as a opportunity to become better, then I will post your stuff on the internet too others

So hope this clear things up
(sorry for the spelling dont have a spell chek on this computer)

Chapterhouse wrote:Yeah Ill work on that once the festivities are over..

To the poster who posted the other companies web link for a competing product.

Not cool, I hope noone ever goes into a business you own and starts telling your potential customers about the guy selling similar items down the street..

Sooooo... how do you feel about people discussing your products in a GW store? Good? Bad? Free speech?

Next time try simply saying 'I personally don't care for it, to me it is too lacking in detail'. There is a difference between 'sugar coating' and making the slightest effort to state your opinion without being outright rude. It doesn't even look like it fits within the 40k universe. It's $14 AND not even complete because you still have to find an upper body to use? This makes it more expensive than the GW biker model!

By the way, the photos in the first post are broken.

Pics are broken :(

NELS1031 wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:Yeah Ill work on that once the festivities are over..

To the poster who posted the other companies web link for a competing product.

Not cool, I hope noone ever goes into a business you own and starts telling your potential customers about the guy selling similiar items down the street..

At the risk of sounding trollish...


Pretty sure I've seen you do the same.

Nick would never do that.

Claimh_Solais wrote:

insaniak wrote:The trick to not being rude is to, you know, not be rude.

Adding a disclaimer saying that you don't mean to be rude doesn't make your comment any less out of line... it just suggests that you're fully aware that you're being rude, but couldn't be bothered taking the time to actually explain your viewpoint.

Explaining what you don't like about it is constructive. Just pointing out that it is horrible is not.

Okay let me explain in more detail then.

With all the crap the poor stormraven(GW kit not the truescale CH kit) I thought that you have to be so rude ,could not believe people were so sensitive just because it is a smaller company, but okay I was a little too hard , The jetbike is not horrid...its just ugly
but now people noted me anyway: P

So why is it ugly ? I tell you
It look like somthing GW did in the early 90s , it has no real details.
the guns (I know you cant copy a bolter) but thy look way to smal and so dose the handles
the exhaust pipes are only a cylinder NO details at all why not do it mor dynamic with holes and stuff (like the ones on the back of a dread thing)
the bakpart is also just a block ( I know marines like blocky stuff ,but here is a difference between blocky and plain borring

I like the front part tho

I actually feel that this bike is just as detailed as the other 2 options I have seen out there already. The bit that makes this one better for me is just what you do not like about it. For a jet powered anti gravity vehicle, I do not want to see ork like exhaust like those shown in the Kromlech entry and the one for which you linked. Yes the holes make for more detail, but look to steampunk or lowtech for a 40K flyer. Personally I don't want to see exhaust pipes at all on a jetbike. I want a big engine hole in the back with vectoring surfaces that say "I make the wind in a hurricane look slow!". You don't see exhaust pipes on the landspeeder so why must they be on the bike with the same power source. So CH bike has my vote on this item.

The lack of details issue. Again I am going with CH because while the detail level is similar to the Kromlech entry and far less than your linked bike, I find the "lines" of the CH bike better. It should be rather plain from the a fore mentioned "realism" perspective. The more exterior details you have the more drag this will create. I find that the CH entry is a nice balance of simple detail and flat surfaces. And the cog wheels on your linked bike just look silly and the seat is to small looking. The foot rests look good though. Very "chopper" motorcycle inspired. So again, CH has my vote on this item as well.

The gun issue. Yes the CH guns are small. Yes they do look out of sorts from what we are used to. The Kromlech guns look more "bolter" like. Your linked bikes guns look like meltaguns though. While detailed nicely they do not look like a pair of bolter inspired weapons at all. I believe this would cause confusion to other players. So Kromlech gets my vote for the guns.

And finally the fronts. I do not like the front of the Kromlech bike. It looks to stubby I guess. It is not a bad design at all and is very well done, just not what I expected. The CH bike is similar, but is more angled and appears more streamlined to me. Your linked bike has a beautiful front. Looks like the front of a GW battlecruiser from the Battlefleet Gothic game. The little vents towards the bottom are a nice added touch. However, the details are huge. The raised lines are way to high. Would have looked better if they had made them more subtle. This hits the realism crowd hard due to the drag those lines would create. I see no air intake at all on your bike while the intakes on the other two is the entire front. This says power to me. An engine needing this kind of intake must pour out the thrust power. And finally, as nice as it looks, the front on your bike is more imperial fleet, not Space Marine. The details are just wrong for the setting in my opinion. So I vote CH bike again.

As for the price issue and the need for other pieces to finish this bike...really!?! All 3 bikes are roughly similar in price and need further parts to finish them (I was wrong. The Kromlech bike is much more expensive and the linked gothic steampunk bike isn't released yet, so the value of the CH bike is much better than its competitors counterparts). To actually list this as a complaint is just sad. We are talking about conversion kits here after all. By their very nature they need other stuff to finish them. Compare the price of the GW bike all you want. Its just a bike. You want a jetbike instead then then you pony up the dough and make your friends jealous and your enemies quake with your jetpowered toys. If you want to have a jetbike that includes all the bits then wait for FW to come out with one and then be ready to pay more than double what you are getting here with any of these entries. You can start saving now so you wont have to use an entire Social Security retirement check for it if it actually happens at all. Good luck with that one.

Everyones taste is different and no single item is going to make everyone happy. If money has to be spent then someone is gonna whine about the expense. This is life. I like the CH bike best. I feel the price is reasonable and competitive. Some of you hate the bike and some of you hate the price. Then go elsewhere and buy something that you like and is cheaper. To sit here and whine about it is just wasting your time. We only have so much after all and then it is gone.

Edited to add price correction in red.

I prefer the CH one to the cog one. The cog one is too front heavy and has a ridiculous brazier looking thing at the back. I can suspend disbelief at dreads having odd exhausts, but not jetbikes which are supposed to represent the height of technological achievement from the Dark Ages of Technology.
Those perforated tubes are only meant to protect surfaces from being damaged by the heat from the exhausts in situations where the exhausts are close to something such as the cab of a truck; you don't see them otherwise. Dreads don't actually need them either and jetbikes look stupid with them.
I also have to wonder at the comment about the bike not coming with a full rider. The whole point of this set is to blend it in with existing marine armies, so buyers of this bike are going to be providing their own riders according to their own preferences.

Personally, I like the idea of the front of the Kromlech bike added to the body of the CH one. What a lot of people are missing with the Kromlech one is a "coincidental" resemblance to GW's Imperial vessels for BFG:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat490024a&prodId=prod1101827
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat490024a&prodId=prod1101835

However, one could mek the same argument for CH (As well as the obvious Eagle influences):

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat490024a&prodId=prod1101829
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat490024a&prodId=prod1101843

Both bikes look pretty good and the price is absolutely right, especially since you won't need to find biker marine parts to complete them.

While this stuff is all fine and dandy, when is that awesome male Howling Banshee gonna happen?

@Chapterhouse

I noticed you said that this Jet Bike could be used as a scout option as well, but I don't think it comes with non-metal covered legs.

If I were to use another companies cloth covered legs for their scout bike riders, the legs would be pointing forward instead of down. Is the scout piece of your model compatible with that pose?

I did order the model to see if I can make it work, but other people might have the same question.

Are the legs not separate?

Yes, but GW bikers ride in a different pose than the jetbike riders. So I want to make sure that you can use a GW scout biker body on this kit, especially since it is advertised as beig usable as a scout jetbike as well.

Flamekebab wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:Yeah Ill work on that once the festivities are over..

To the poster who posted the other companies web link for a competing product.

Not cool, I hope noone ever goes into a business you own and starts telling your potential customers about the guy selling similiar items down the street..

Unfortunately there are several competing jet bike designs available and this being the internet you're not going to be able to keep that a secret. Your work is good though, no need to get outspokenly annoyed (even if you're seething inside!). Competitors are a fact of doing business, even if people like Games Workshop seem to have forgotten that.

I'm also curious about all the talk I've been seeing about sidecars. Did I miss a photo somewhere?

I actually agree with Chapterhouse on this bit. It seemed a bit churlish and impolite on the linker's part.

I like the cog front and the CH back. Too bad someone can't make a bike like that. :(

Newly painted example of our Javelin Jetbike done by Jose Veiga. Production of the Pilum Jetbike kit will begin in a couple of weeks, the master is being processed now.





I have also had the chance to add a 4-wheel kit to the site - $6.00



Currently we just put into production 3 new vehicle accessory resin kits, specifically designed with the Razorback, Land Raider and Storm Raven in mind.

The first 2 kits are magnetic Turrets that will allow players to swap out weapons on the Razor Back and Storm Raven kit without having to use a turret for each setup. Here you can see the WIP pics. This kit is already being produced and will be on the site in a couple of weeks.


The Storm Raven specific loadout will be $13.50 and the Razorback loadout will be $15.00. Each kit will come with all the weapon options available for each vehicles turret.

Next up is a kit we called the Iconoclast conversion kit for the Land Raider - we modeled it after the WWI tanks that were the progenitors to all the tanks we see now. Target price will be in the lower $20 range.



I also have some alternative battlesuit heads that will fit on Tau Crisis suits. These will be molded up in a couple of weeks.


Last is a work in progress of a "Death Stalker". This is a mechanized walker that I will be using in my personal Necron army for a while. As soon as the design is finalized Ill show the concept art for it .

I hope everyone had a great new year and Christmas and I am looking forward to the New Year!

Nick - Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Love the Landraider conversion kit. Very similar to the FW kit, but much cheaper.


Which I cant seem to locate on their site...maybe it isnt available. Well in that case double good on CH...I liked that kit.

I love the LR conversion, and I don't even like space marines. Keep on making more kits.

I was JUST about to order some Razorback weapons... I'm glad I caught this thread before I did :-) definitely going to pick these up.

Looks great. Love the space marine legs. Saves me the trouble of buying a biker kit just to use the jetbikes

Nice work all around there.

I would love to see those not-razorback turrets on a rhino like vehicle! lol

If I may suggest, there may be a larger market for you selling the parts seperately, mounting plates, guns etc. There is a big market for gun parts for all kinds of vehicles etc... Someone may not need all the options, but may well need 20 autocannon looking options for things that don't have parts already from GW... The Crassus comes to mind, no matter what, you have no option but to source bits of some kind if you want autocannons for it.

Oh no, Tau heads, guess I will have to buy more battlesuits to put them on.

Any idea if you might do some sci-fi heads that would fit on anime inspired alien infantry?

Just when I thought I could safely peg my money for something else, stuff like this gets placed in the pipeline. I'll be grabbing a couple of those razorback kits me things, and definitely the LR kit... just means I need another land raider. 5 isn't too many is it?

Also, with the bikes, has anyone done a design that has the rider sitting in a fashion similar to how a lot of the sportier bikes are today?

That classic Land Raider might be something for my Death Guard army.

Can't wait for the death stalker, should be a big hit since its such good tank and everyone want one, same as the wraith.

MajorTom11 wrote:If I may suggest, there may be a larger market for you selling the parts seperately, mounting plates, guns etc. There is a big market for gun parts for all kinds of vehicles etc... Someone may not need all the options, but may well need 20 autocannon looking options for things that don't have parts already from GW... The Crassus comes to mind, no matter what, you have no option but to source bits of some kind if you want autocannons for it.

I concur. If the turret component with the shielding was sold separate of the guns, I'd be in for at least 3 of those. And if all of the guns were available separately and individually, I'd probably buy 15-20 of a mix of weapons.

Sorry if this has been discussed earlier in the the thread, but is there any news on Chapterhouse releasing their true scale marine kit yet?

MajorTom11 wrote:
If I may suggest, there may be a larger market for you selling the parts seperately, mounting plates, guns etc. There is a big market for gun parts for all kinds of vehicles etc... Someone may not need all the options, but may well need 20 autocannon looking options for things that don't have parts already from GW... The Crassus comes to mind, no matter what, you have no option but to source bits of some kind if you want autocannons for it.

I concur. If the turret component with the shielding was sold separate of the guns, I'd be in for at least 3 of those. And if all of the guns were available separately and individually, I'd probably buy 15-20 of a mix of weapons.

Then molding and casting all things separate would probably increase their prices so it has to be a balanced walk with cost vs "loose" items.

Sorry if this has been discussed earlier in the the thread, but is there any news on Chapterhouse releasing their true scale marine kit yet?

In the pipeline, takes time, I only have two arms and one life

Mad4Minis wrote:Love the Landraider conversion kit. Very similar to the FW kit, but much cheaper.


Which I cant seem to locate on their site...maybe it isnt available. Well in that case double good on CH...I liked that kit.

FW is having problems with that mold (I was curious and emailed them a few weeks back since it wasn't available when I went to order).

That said, and seeing as I am a huge Land Raider fan, I can't wait to order this one, I'll take 3 please.

I'm loving it all-the Land Raider kit and Crisis Suit heads in particular! I play Iron Warriors and Tau, so be sure to let me know when those are up!

Also, kudos on the Tau heads, keeping them close to the Tau aesthetic without going too far into generic "anime mecha".

Jetbike looks great, though I concur with others...are there going to be cloth legs included/an option for those that want to use them for scout bikes?

Also the Rback turrets, any chance of seeing some pics of them with the pieces assembled? I'd especially like to know what you guys did for the las/plas turret.

Thanks!

The LR kit is BOSS! $20? SOLD!

That painted Javelin bike looks amazing.

OMG... I so want those Razorback turrent kits!

Any idea what the price point on the turrets is going to be?

Well you guys have been busy! All the new stuff looks very promising and I will be happy to see these released.

The jetbike looks incredible all painted up! Really good brushwork from your artist!

The rivets on the iconoclast LR conversion kit are way, way to big.
Sticking the conversion on a landraider just shows how badly proportioned they are.

Price is great and otherwise a fantastic add on.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:The rivets on the iconoclast LR conversion kit are way, way to big.
Sticking the conversion on a landraider just shows how badly proportioned they are.

Price is great and otherwise a fantastic add on.

On taking a second look, you are absolutely right. Chapterhouse, please make that small correction, and then I would be overjoyed to buy a kit, maybe even two!

Kroothawk wrote:

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Ass all chapterhouse kits, i think it's a load of ass...

Hope this is a typo

Fixed that for you.

The last tau head looks like a geth. I approve.

Can we get more pics of the iconoclast conversion kit?

Nephilem wrote:
Also, with the bikes, has anyone done a design that has the rider sitting in a fashion similar to how a lot of the sportier bikes are today?

Yup...GW has...only with the DE Reaver jetbikes. Not sure how well the pose would translate for space marines given their bulky armor.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:The rivets on the iconoclast LR conversion kit are way, way to big.
Sticking the conversion on a landraider just shows how badly proportioned they are.

Price is great and otherwise a fantastic add on.

Agreed...the conversion looks good except it adds way too much girth to the landraider. Side sponsons stick out far too much. I find this to be true for most of CH conversions...all their ideas are great but usually has one or two issues with proportions that prevents me from getting their kits.

Pyriel- wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:
If I may suggest, there may be a larger market for you selling the parts seperately, mounting plates, guns etc. There is a big market for gun parts for all kinds of vehicles etc... Someone may not need all the options, but may well need 20 autocannon looking options for things that don't have parts already from GW... The Crassus comes to mind, no matter what, you have no option but to source bits of some kind if you want autocannons for it.

I concur. If the turret component with the shielding was sold separate of the guns, I'd be in for at least 3 of those. And if all of the guns were available separately and individually, I'd probably buy 15-20 of a mix of weapons.

Then molding and casting all things separate would probably increase their prices so it has to be a balanced walk with cost vs "loose" items.

Sorry if this has been discussed earlier in the the thread, but is there any news on Chapterhouse releasing their true scale marine kit yet?

In the pipeline, takes time, I only have two arms and one life

HUH!? Hits the Spot delivered the kit to CH almost a year ago, and last I checked Nick was selling castings via email... are they being redone?

As for other stuff:
Tau heads, cool! Will these be available individually?
Land Raider, AWESOME! I hate landraiders, but I'd consider buying them just for this!

Great looking stuff CH, please keep em comming.

Turret looks very promising, the rest is nice as well.

i'll take a raider conversion kit.

Chapterhouse wrote:Yeah Ill work on that once the festivities are over..

To the poster who posted the other companies web link for a competing product.

Not cool, I hope noone ever goes into a business you own and starts telling your potential customers about the guy selling similar items down the street..

You know, when you act like this it sound exactly like big GW, and make me lose some of my respect for you. You have done a great job so far, and we understand you are under a lot of pressure with all GW issue, but this space dont belong to you, and even if it belonged you should look at competitor products and try to do better than them, not hide them whyle saying your product is better.

I think you're looking at it the wrong way and part of it is that the anonymity of the internet facilitates people in their douchebaggery and typing things they would never say to a person's face.

Think about this. A guy works hard on something, pours his blood, sweat and tears into the project and makes something he's proud of.
Now imgaine another guy walking up and saying, "Hey, that sucks and I can buy nearly the same thing down the road from somebody else."

I'm not saying they shouldn't be a bit more thick-skinned but I can also see why they wouldn't appreciate it.

agnosto wrote:I think you're looking at it the wrong way and part of it is that the anonymity of the internet facilitates people in their douchebaggery and typing things they would never say to a person's face.

Think about this. A guy works hard on something, pours his blood, sweat and tears into the project and makes something he's proud of.
Now imgaine another guy walking up and saying, "Hey, that sucks and I can buy nearly the same thing down the road from somebody else."

I'm not saying they shouldn't be a bit more thick-skinned but I can also see why they wouldn't appreciate it.

Eh, I agree but lets not feed the rare Amazonian wetlands troll. If he's not keen enough to realize that he's necro-retorting a comment from MID-NOVEMBER IN JANUARY then he probably won't be able to visualize himself in another person's shoes either.

agnosto wrote:I think you're looking at it the wrong way and part of it is that the anonymity of the internet facilitates people in their douchebaggery and typing things they would never say to a person's face.

Think about this. A guy works hard on something, pours his blood, sweat and tears into the project and makes something he's proud of.
Now imgaine another guy walking up and saying, "Hey, that sucks and I can buy nearly the same thing down the road from somebody else."

I'm not saying they shouldn't be a bit more thick-skinned but I can also see why they wouldn't appreciate it.

True but then again, the dakka forum can't really be compared to as CH's personal store front. CH wants to promote and advertise their products on a public forum which is completely fine but they have to be aware that others are free to compare and critique their products against others in the market place. There's absolutely nothing wrong with others posting links to competing products.

warboss wrote:
Eh, I agree but lets not feed the rare Amazonian wetlands troll. If he's not keen enough to realize that he's necro-retorting a comment from MID-NOVEMBER IN JANUARY then he probably won't be able to visualize himself in another person's shoes either.

Point taken and once I noticed the poster was from Brazil, your joke was much appreciated as well.

@ Eggroll,
I'm not saying we should necessarily expect there to be all sunshine and daisies but don't start attacking the man because he wants his thread to stay on track. If the poster wants to critique CH's products, he can make his own thread for that.

Just don't make any negative threads about Battlefoam because those get locked fairly quickly.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:Yeah Ill work on that once the festivities are over..

To the poster who posted the other companies web link for a competing product.

Not cool, I hope noone ever goes into a business you own and starts telling your potential customers about the guy selling similar items down the street..

You know, when you act like this it sound exactly like big GW, and make me lose some of my respect for you. You have done a great job so far, and we understand you are under a lot of pressure with all GW issue, but this space dont belong to you, and even if it belonged you should look at competitor products and try to do better than them, not hide them whyle saying your product is better.

After reading some of chapterhouse comments on a FW newsletter thread, I can't help but think that the pot is calling the kettle black...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/394639.page

The last tau head looks like a geth. I approve.

Hehe, I was afraid nobody would notice

Ugh...


OK, everyone back on topic, please!

I think the true scale kits could easily be the most requested item CH has in the works

The tau heads look pretty cool, keep the good stuff coming along.

Anything new for Tau is good in my book getting sick of everything looking the same

The painted Jetbike has come out really nicely - my compliments to the painter.

I like the Tau Crisis Suit heads but would love to see alternate bare heads for FWs...there are currently two available, one with the FW box and one vehicle commander.

How soon will the magnetic razorback kits be available. I'll be looking for quite a few.

They will be on the site for sale this friday along with the Storm Raven Turrets kit.

When will the Iconclast conversion kit be available?

Awesome. I'm looking forward to it!!

Homenutt wrote:When will the Iconclast conversion kit be available?

Should be the same day.

hey chapterhouse would your company ever consider making Mark 16 Damocles power armor seen here?

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:hey chapterhouse would your company ever consider making Mark 16 Damocles power armor seen here?

Didn't one of the Russian eBayers do a kit of MkXVI armor?

Valete,

JohnS

I inquired with the original artist (non-GW) about acquiring the rights to design and sell a mini based off of the design a year or so ago.

He was under the impression that GW owns the right to the design since its a "futurisque" version of the GW created one. I have a feeling this is not true, but decided not to push the topic with him.

I am pretty sure the Russian guy took the design without asking the designer.

Nick

Chapterhouse wrote:I inquired with the original artist (non-GW) about acquiring the rights to design and sell a mini based off of the design a year or so ago.

He was under the impression that GW owns the right to the design since its a "futurisque" version of the GW created one. I have a feeling this is not true, but decided not to push the topic with him.

I am pretty sure the Russian guy took the design without asking the designer.

Nick

generally the guys who wrote the Dorian Heresy are pretty cool about things like this, seeing as THEY made the design with some program or another

Hey Nick (Mr. Chapterhouse),

Will your company start making Fantasy kits in the near future?

I'm looking for Ogre Kingdom Helmet head swaps and no one makes these simple kits.

Just a thought.

When will the battle suits heads be out? will all six be packaged together?

Sent them in for molding last week, they will be cast in sets of 3 along with antenna.

I am waiting to hear on whats more efficient, metal or resin for those parts, as I believe both will work well.

Snarky wrote:

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:Yeah Ill work on that once the festivities are over..

To the poster who posted the other companies web link for a competing product.

Not cool, I hope noone ever goes into a business you own and starts telling your potential customers about the guy selling similar items down the street..

You know, when you act like this it sound exactly like big GW, and make me lose some of my respect for you. You have done a great job so far, and we understand you are under a lot of pressure with all GW issue, but this space dont belong to you, and even if it belonged you should look at competitor products and try to do better than them, not hide them whyle saying your product is better.

After reading some of chapterhouse comments on a FW newsletter thread, I can't help but think that the pot is calling the kettle black...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/394639.page

Haha! Come and buy stuff from Ramshackle Games

Chapterhouse wrote:Sent them in for molding last week, they will be cast in sets of 3 along with antenna.

I am waiting to hear on whats more efficient, metal or resin for those parts, as I believe both will work well.

Resin. PLEASE resin! Us Tau players already have to deal with the painful process of attaching metal parts to battlesuits (railguns and commander heads and such)!

Ramshackle_Curtis wrote:

Snarky wrote:

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:Yeah Ill work on that once the festivities are over..

To the poster who posted the other companies web link for a competing product.

Not cool, I hope noone ever goes into a business you own and starts telling your potential customers about the guy selling similar items down the street..

You know, when you act like this it sound exactly like big GW, and make me lose some of my respect for you. You have done a great job so far, and we understand you are under a lot of pressure with all GW issue, but this space dont belong to you, and even if it belonged you should look at competitor products and try to do better than them, not hide them whyle saying your product is better.

After reading some of chapterhouse comments on a FW newsletter thread, I can't help but think that the pot is calling the kettle black...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/394639.page

Haha! Come and buy stuff from Ramshackle Games

Man, that is the post that deserves exalting the most on Dakka so far.

Chapterhouse wrote:Sent them in for molding last week, they will be cast in sets of 3 along with antenna.

I am waiting to hear on whats more efficient, metal or resin for those parts, as I believe both will work well.

In all honesty, cost is a more important factor for most people. Do whichever is cheaper.

OH YES.. those tau battlesuit heads are just what i need to spice up my army.

Will the little antenners be more "secure" than the GW one? they break off very easily :S

PS: Any chance of some battlesuit gear? either already existing variants of weapons or parts which don't have a model would be awesome!

PPS: The greater good approves of your work

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:hey chapterhouse would your company ever consider making Mark 16 Damocles power armor seen here?

Kepora wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:hey chapterhouse would your company ever consider making Mark 16 Damocles power armor seen here?

I second this.

I would KILL for damocles PA.

Hey Nick,

Do you guys have an official spot for people to give suggestions? I saw you have forums, but there doesn't seem to be much there.

And if this thread is it, I have to put in a vote for more arm options for the not-techmarine not-conversion-beamer set. I recently bought the set so I could have a techmarine backpack for my Deathwatch marine, but the beamer looks so cool I'm thinking of using it and the second backpack on a Master of the Forge.

Upon doing a quick net-search, it seems a MotF can't have a servo-arm and a beamer at the same time... so I can still make my MotF with the kit supplied! Complaint retracted! Still more options are always welcome.

So, Pre-Heresy raider going up tomorrow? Right? *continues counting down*

DId I get it wrong about the Iconoclast landraider kit being released today?

I can't find it on the site ...

Love the Landraider will be ordering this without a doubt, any idea when its released as I have a very poorly looking landraider with broken sponsons lol

hey chapterhouse would your company ever consider making Mark 16 Damocles power armor seen here?

If the original artist grants us permission it we will do it.

Haha! Come and buy stuff from Ramshackle Games

Might take a looksy at your non-gw gw stuff rhinoboy

Pyriel- wrote:

hey chapterhouse would your company ever consider making Mark 16 Damocles power armor seen here?

If the original artist grants us permission it we will do it.

I personally would like to put my backing behind that. Such a visually striking design that lends itself for some pretty cool ideas.

New kits will be on the website this Tuesday ( I will be attempting to use our new mailing list feature of the website as well to notify customers.

The good news is I have the photos all done and just need to add the products to our system. You can take a look at them below. I hope you guys approve (if not I'll live ).

Also good news, the "attack" version of our Javelin Jet Bike is being set up for casting, I recently received the masters and they fit great with the Javelin Jet Bike.

Power Claw Arms with open or closed fist options (scaled for Terminator or Power Armor (easy to cut resin to add on Power Armor Shoulder Pad)




Storm Trooper Heavy Laser with Power Pack (metal)


New chaos head (I need to get some better photos of this one) metal


5 inch resin blast crater, good for explosions, Trygon holes, etc etc


Iconoclast resin Conversion kit compatible with Games Workshop Land Raider




Magnetic resin turret kit compatible withGames Workshop Razorback - comes with 5 weapon options




Magnetic resin turret kit compatible with Games Workshop Storm Raven - comes with 3 weapon options




Sorry about the extra long post, I hope it was worth the wait.

Again, these will be added to the website Tuesday January 31st for ordering.

Nick - Chapterhousestudios.com

Chapterhouse wrote:Power Claw Arms with open or closed fist options (scaled for Terminator or Power Armor (easy to cut resin to add on Power Armor Shoulder Pad)

Why would anyone buy these over the real GW Lightning Claws? The design is almost exactly the same, except that the blades look horrible in this version.

Fetterkey wrote:
Why would anyone buy these over the real GW Lightning Claws? The design is almost exactly the same, except that the blades look horrible in this version.

What GW lightning claws?

I need your razorback kits. I need all of them. What are you pricing them at?

Opinions. I actually very much prefer the aesthetic of these Chapterhouse lightning claws. It looks more wicked-Wolverine-ish than GW's Loyalist punch-daggers or Chaos dainty Power-Fingers.

Love all the stuff Chapterhouse puts out. Any chance there are some new Eldar toys in the works?

Arschbombe wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:
Why would anyone buy these over the real GW Lightning Claws? The design is almost exactly the same, except that the blades look horrible in this version.

What GW lightning claws?

The ones that come in the Assault Terminator box, the Commander box, and on multiple metal models?

I'd just like to say that I think I will be buying alot of the new items on Tuesday.

The Lighting claws will also be up Tuesday?

So these lightning claws are like, you literally took a GW power fist and recast it, and put 2 horrible looking claws on top?

Fetterkey wrote:

Arschbombe wrote:

Fetterkey wrote:
Why would anyone buy these over the real GW Lightning Claws? The design is almost exactly the same, except that the blades look horrible in this version.

What GW lightning claws?

The ones that come in the Assault Terminator box, the Commander box, and on multiple metal models?

Right. They're very few and not very convenient to get the right mix for power armor. Aesthetics aside, the chapterhouse kit makes it very easy to get the right number of claws you need without jumping through hoops of purchasing multiple boxed sets or single pose metal models.

ph34r wrote:So these lightning claws are like, you literally took a GW power fist and recast it, and put 2 horrible looking claws on top?

I don't think the claws themselves are that bad. The term 'energy field railroad spikes' comes to mind though, but I kind of like it. There's a particular theme there that it appeals to.

I gotta agree with you on the power fist bit though. I'm usually very antipathetic toward IP related drama, but I feel guilty looking at those.

Fetterkey wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:Power Claw Arms with open or closed fist options (scaled for Terminator or Power Armor (easy to cut resin to add on Power Armor Shoulder Pad)

Why would anyone buy these over the real GW Lightning Claws? The design is almost exactly the same, except that the blades look horrible in this version.

If you were talking about the old LCs with the longer blades then I would agree, but I absolutely hate the newer gw sculpt. So in comparison to the current gw model I think these look great. Not a bit that I need though.

ph34r wrote:So these lightning claws are like, you literally took a GW power fist and recast it, and put 2 horrible looking claws on top?

The upper arms are a close call, but the fist itself has several fairly obvious design differences to the GW version. The forward edge of the back of the hand being the most obvious.

Arschbombe wrote:Right. They're very few and not very convenient to get the right mix for power armor.

Given that these appear to be scaled for terminators, and the comment from CH suggests that you have to trim down the shoulder to make them fit power armour, I'm really not seeing much difference from using the Terminator version there. In fact, depending on the resin CH are using, the terminator version would potentially be more convenient since they're plastic.

I think it's a niche that doesn't really need filling, but it's an interesting alternative. I think that they look plenty close enough to fit in w/o looking so similar as to be problematic.

In the right army, I could see really liking them, I just don't really like lightning claws to begin with...

I like the integrated claw style much more than the punch daggers that GW has gone back to recently, I could see myself getting the CH ones if two claws didn't seem kind of a low number.

Also the twin-claw design is technically X-23 style, not Wolverine style

insaniak wrote:
Given that these appear to be scaled for terminators, and the comment from CH suggests that you have to trim down the shoulder to make them fit power armour, I'm really not seeing much difference from using the Terminator version there. In fact, depending on the resin CH are using, the terminator version would potentially be more convenient since they're plastic.

Except for the $50 buy in to get them. I expect 5 pairs from Chapterhouse to be cheaper and more readily available than the GW ones are on the bits sites.

Those powerclaws remind me of Gurren Lagann's wrist drills. I kind of like that aesthetic. Some people will prefer the more fingerlike claw design of the gw ones, but the upper wrist look has a certain raw brutality to it.

No idea if it's the picture, but they almost look 3d printed to me....probably my old eyes + picture.

I don't understand why you can't make the Mark 16 armour without the artist's permission.

You don't have GW's permission to do conversions kits for their game, and here you are.

Just even make your own 'Alternate Future' armour.

Arschbombe wrote:

insaniak wrote:
Given that these appear to be scaled for terminators, and the comment from CH suggests that you have to trim down the shoulder to make them fit power armour, I'm really not seeing much difference from using the Terminator version there. In fact, depending on the resin CH are using, the terminator version would potentially be more convenient since they're plastic.

Except for the $50 buy in to get them. I expect 5 pairs from Chapterhouse to be cheaper and more readily available than the GW ones are on the bits sites.

You can actually get blisters of the old metal lightning claws for substantially less than $50. Either way, I kind of like the quasi-wolverine Chapterhouse version as it harkens back to those older metal ones instead of the current style powerfist holding a metal bar with claws plastic lightning claws. In the end, it's simply an alternative design which is never a bad thing to have.

Definitely not sold on this so far... would have to see it painted to be sure , but to me it looks a little off.

Yeah, it needs to be primed and maybe washed to show the detail. The bad photoshop crimping along the bit's edges doesn't help.

Word Bearer helmets...j


I'm not a big fan of the claws--but isn't a right handed PF pretty tough to find?

AgeOfEgos wrote:I'm not a big fan of the claws--but isn't a right handed PF pretty tough to find?

Not any more, no. There are quite a few kits that include them.

Personally I like these over the current GW lightning claws. I only wish these were available a couple of years ago when I was building my lightning claw chaos terminators.

insaniak wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:I'm not a big fan of the claws--but isn't a right handed PF pretty tough to find?

Not any more, no. There are quite a few kits that include them.

Ahh, ok--must be one of those 'back in the day, our speeders looked like stair elevators and we liked it!" moments.

If they had made something close to the Chaos Lord LC kit--I would have snatched those up pretty quickly.