I just took a look at the new terminators, the Tartaros pattern suits, and I personally believe that Forge World made a mistake by making the set. Aesthetics aside, the set seems very limited when it comes to customization - you can't use custom shoulder pads, and it looks to me like the heads might be a part of the chests - so no custom heads, either. Seems like more of a step backward than forward. Thoughts?

I think Forgeworld everything is pointless. Paying more for a product with poorer quality control? Paying extra over plastic means I would have to deal with flashing and air bubbles? No thanks.

Joe Mama wrote:I think Forgeworld everything is pointless. Paying more for a product with poorer quality control? Paying extra over plastic means I would have to deal with flashing and air bubbles? No thanks.

Soooooo, have ever held a DKOK commisar? The damn thing set costs like 45ish dollars for 3 and I would pay that all day every day. Those are the single most detailed and exquisite models I have ever seen.

FW may cost a left nut, but damnit, its worth it. I will admit that the new termies are sub par, Id really like to know who sculpted them. Id bet my bottom dollar that Will Hayes or Daren had nothing to do with these things.

I agree, they look nice and all, but they dont do it for me. Also looks like they missed an opportunity for a 'true scale' design, as they appear smaller than the existing terminators.

Joe Mama wrote:I think Forgeworld everything is pointless. Paying more for a product with poorer quality control? Paying extra over plastic means I would have to deal with flashing and air bubbles? No thanks.

Why the hate ? Forge world has a lot to offer mate, and it's not like there trying to ruin your day or anything :(

The krieg models, especially the commissar and the commander with that coat ( I have a e-boner looking a those models mate ).

Titans ? hello ? They may be dear but there beautiful !

The elysians are nice too ! As are the bunch of special characters they make ! How about all the chapters they cover ?

As for quality control, have you ever actually bought a FW model ? Have you ever had a problem with said model ? Have you ever called client support and told them your problem ?

I HATE mindless hate posts.


Anyway, the terminators are below par I have to admit.... But i wouldnt go as far as pointless. They can be used to represent special characters, or as a command squad. The flamer is just silly tho.

Ill be the first person to admit those things are super weedy, and yeah they missed out on a very good opportunity to make some truelly awesome minis. But this is the first time in while that i havent like a mini that FW made, the arvus lighter what the last one that made me not want to buy FW.

I like it.

Because I see it as GW and FW together, use this opportunity to test water of possible future Terminator designs. Rather then releasing it as full blown plastic kit that end up costing them more $

mayfist wrote:

Joe Mama wrote:I think Forgeworld everything is pointless. Paying more for a product with poorer quality control? Paying extra over plastic means I would have to deal with flashing and air bubbles? No thanks.

As for quality control, have you ever actually bought a FW model ? Have you ever had a problem with said model ? Have you ever called client support and told them your problem ?

Forgeworlds resin is literally light years above GW's

mayfist wrote:Why the hate ?

Because I am a terrible, terrible person. Be thankful you are better than me.

Forge world has a lot to offer mate, and it's not like there trying to ruin your day or anything :(

Oh yes, they have ruined my days. They know what they did. *shakes fist at faceless corporate subsidiary*

I HATE mindless hate posts.

Me too. Good thing I gave reasons in addition to my opinion! PHEW.

FW isn't that expensive.

The new terminators ends up costing $47 CDN
while a box of Terminators in Canada costs $60

its scary, I know.... the price difference.

iflywhirlybirds wrote:Forgeworlds resin is literally light years above GW's

I prefer parsecs to explain the distance. Either way, I don't like seeing flashing on supposedly high quality super expensive models. It is against my moral fiber. But this is a tangent, so feel free to ignore me. I am not going to keep yapping about FW in general here.

Have you called customer service, or did you just hop on the "Everything associated with GW is evil" bandwagon?

In Australia it's pretty much cheaper to buy from FW online than it is to buy a box of models from GW in-store.

Groundh0g wrote:In Australia it's pretty much cheaper to buy from FW online than it is to buy a box of models from GW in-store.

That is also true in Canada, and Japan, China, majority of Asia etc etc.

Its sad @_@

The new Terminator models are probably meant to work as a set visually with the new Contemptor dreadnoughts, as they have the same proportions, aesthetics and clean lines. Customization aside, not everyone is happy with the direction GW took the Space Marines over the last ten years or so, adding more and more useless crap to the models such as purity seals, skulls, ammo bandoliers/grenades, NIPPLES, etc. It really started to feel like "Pimp My Chapter" was the order of the day.

By comparison, the Tantalos pattern Terminators and the Contemptor have reintroduced simplicity to the Space Marines, trading useless bling for functionality, and I for one applaud Forge World for it.

Zarryiosiad

I like them, and its a reson why I have more Dkok troopers than I dare to think about. Same goes for the tanks and such.

Alot of people are depressed over the inability to swap shoulder pad.

Just because its not compatible with current shoulder pads,
doesn't mean its not with the future ones. I would love to see more of these termies, especially assault ones YES

calgar 2.5 wrote:Have you called customer service, or did you just hop on the "Everything associated with GW is evil" bandwagon?

Who me? How could you possibly come to the conclusion I hate GW when all I did was complain about their resin? I don't like Forgeworld because I don't like resin in general and I won't pay more for air bubbles and flashing. No I did not call customer service, seeing as how that kind of stuff is expected, from what I understand.

I like their plastics. I don't buy third party models. Everything, absolutely everything I have is from GW. Not that I need to defend myself here. I just don't like paying more for bad quality control. The end.

For the first part, I personally like the new patterns for the terminators. It gives people a new variety for the army instead of the stock standard patterns we are used to seeing. Now one can form a unit of slightly different armours to differentiate ones terminator squad by combining elements of the basic patterns, the Greyknight suits, wolf guard, and the Tartaros pattern terminators. You can use part of each element to customize and individualize your terminators.

Now for the second part, which is FW, is worthless and GW is evil, well I will have to place that as a matter of opinion per person. One needs to remember that FW, even though owned my GW, makes great and fun extras for the hobby. I must said that could not look my Black Templars with pride without seeing my FW shoulders pads, Storm Shields, Dreadnought, rhino upgrades, and land raider upgrades in them. FW adds a great new element for hobbyist and gamers. Now, if the price are what are making people made then just do not buy them. You have a choice. I like my models to be flashy and decked out; I convert and use FW to do that. Not everyone has the extra income and I understand that one too. You just cannot condemn a company based on prices and (sometimes-questionable) business practices.

LunaHound wrote:Alot of people are depressed over the inability to swap shoulder pad.

Just because its not compatible with current shoulder pads,
doesn't mean its not with the future ones. I would love to see more of these termies, especially assault ones YES

You actually like these terminators? I guess you are the 2% that does.

ph34r wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Alot of people are depressed over the inability to swap shoulder pad.

Just because its not compatible with current shoulder pads,
doesn't mean its not with the future ones. I would love to see more of these termies, especially assault ones YES

You actually like these terminators? I guess you are the 2% that does.

Oh make no mistake they look nothing like the old GW aesthetics.

But its a nice step towards making a believable working armor with someone actually in it.
E.g try drawing someone suit up in the right side armor.

If that makes me the unfortunate 2% that can see the flaw , so be it ^-^v

LunaHound wrote:

lol @ the termie on the right. I will never look at terminators the same way again.

I don't think they're so bad. They have more realistic proportions than the standard terminator armor, for instance the head is actually higher than the arm sockets, more upright legs. Also more detailing everywhere like you might expect from forgeworld.

They're not works of art, like some other FW stuff. For converters, they make great true-scale marines, the legs especially. Not sure by looking at the pictures, but you could probably swap normal marine arms/shoulder pads, or heads onto these guys and they would fit in more than with a normal terminator.

I guess I'm a weirdo too. I love the things. I never really liked the current terminator design, in fact up until now the only ones I liked dated back to the rouge trader era.

I love 'em also! Bought some just a couple hours ago. Gotta wait till at least april 11 though

Gotta also think of a new army to accomodate them and the contemptor i splurged for. Deathwing? They would look sick in bone.

The Pictured Termi above has the only slighty dodgily posed legs. Also the arms will need adjusting, nothing too major.

This is more how I see it...

It makes sense if the one inside the suit is the orangatan guys from planet of the apes

I like the look of the new terminators. I probably wont get them but if I do it would be as part of another purchase.

I like the supplements that FW offers. The contemptor dreads are so cool and so fun to work with. The books are amazing both for reading material and the new codexes they add. Most will never see wide spread tournament play but if your just playing with friends at your local GW, then do what makes you happiest.

I do have to say that I love seeing peoples reactions when I cut up a FW models for some of my more interesting conversations ideas.

Wasnt the old fluff that the marine in termie armor is actually in the fetal position in the torso, and that the arms and legs are mechanical?

ph34r wrote:This is more how I see it...

Spoiler:

That is an inhuman torso you have pictured... there is no way of getting around it, a normal human shape couldn't fit in terminator armor without being impossible broken/contorted. It's still not the end of the world as this is a miniature and a game and psychological 'optical illusions' come into play. The FW terminators aren't perfect either but at least they have their heads above their shoulders and not pushed outwards. I mean hey, I would love it if everything was perfectly proportioned and scaled but that's just me.

The whole hobby is pointless, like this thread....

These new termie suits are for people interested in them....... Same reason some people play certain armies as opposed to others....

its the choice.............


If you dont like them, Dont buy them..........

FW dosent care.............

and neither does anyone who buys these terminators....

FW isn't pointless.

It's main purpose is to separate people with no idea of how to deal with resin models from their money.

Its other purpose is to serve as a source of nerdrage from the remaining percentage who can deal with resin models, but expect a higher quality of casting than what they get with FW.

As to the suits, they're mon'keigh ugly.

chaos0xomega wrote:Wasnt the old fluff that the marine in termie armor is actually in the fetal position in the torso, and that the arms and legs are mechanical?

No, that was the original dreadnought suit (Chuck, Eddy, Fury), not the TACTICAL dreadnought suit (terminator).

LunaHound wrote:FW isn't that expensive.

Several years ago, this philosophy would have been considered absurd. A few embargoes and price hikes later, we have people thinking Forge World prices are reasonable compared to GW prices.

Absolutionis wrote:

LunaHound wrote:FW isn't that expensive.

Several years ago, this philosophy would have been considered absurd. A few embargoes and price hikes later, we have people thinking Forge World prices are reasonable compared to GW prices.

Its not a matter of opinion anymore

FW Termie are 30 GBP which is $45.8 AUD , a box of GW termies are $74 AUD

Its the pauldron size isnt it :'P we could make it warmachine sized but GW fans hated that xD

The real issue is that the smaller pauldrons expose the bad proportions.

The standard terminators have the head in a far forward position that allows the torso to occupy the space behind it, albeit in a very hunched manner that can't be good for one's fighting stance.

The FW terminators have the head moved back to be directly over the torso.... which means that the torso has to be scrunched down to fit and cannot occupy the space behind the head.

chaos0xomega wrote:Wasnt the old fluff that the marine in termie armor is actually in the fetal position in the torso, and that the arms and legs are mechanical?

Nope, only Dreads.


Anyway - I'm in the 2% that is increasingly too large to fit inside 2% - they look great and I'll pick some up at Salute 2012 in a month

I hate to mention it and all, but you guys are trying to fit humans inside terminator armour...


Space Marines aren't humans, and aren't proportioned in the same way.

GW hasn't really put more crap on their marines. Its when you branch into the other armies that use the base marine. Space wolves and BA along with Chaos. But the great thing about that is. Its easy to remove a bunch of crap from a model, its harder to add good looking detail. I took a space wolf box set and took a knife to it. Now they look like normal marines with more poses. And if you didn't want nipples on your marines. Well that is an easy fix. Forge world as some ok models, The issue with them is that chaos marines have to have a ton of extra crap on them and the marines are getting way to simple. The new termies don't offer a whole lot to the painting scene. Its basically tau redone. The GW termies might be a little off. But i still like them.

While I find Terminators in general to be more annoying than pointless, I've never had problems with Forgeworld that can't be solved with a sharp knife or some hot water - that is to say if we consider the material, gluing it together is another matter.

AG, they don't have the same proportions, no, but they aren't horribly deformed, either, when compared to humans.

ph34r wrote:This is more how I see it...

Nice try, but last time i checked i didnt have giant boney crests on top of my shoulders

Luna's picture is pretty accurate i'm afraid.

Hello,
I think my main problem is the back, it just appears as if they melted a PA backpack there.

Regards,
Carl

They might look pretty good for a terminator IC in a standard space marine squad.

I'm not a fan of them though, and neither did I like Contemptor. It just lacks the industrial feel of a regular Dreadnought.

Also, using a helmet-less Terminator for the proportions comparison would be more appropriate.

ph34r wrote:This is more how I see it...

Yep thats more like it, and your arms and shoulders should be a little higher, its still miles off and no real improvement from the old ones, the shoulders still come out from the sides of the head.
Must admit i dont really care about whether it has corect posture or not though.

ergotoxin wrote:They might look pretty good for a terminator IC in a standard space marine squad.

I'm not a fan of them though, and neither did I like Contemptor. It just lacks the industrial feel of a regular Dreadnought.

That's kind of the point of the Contemptor though. It's from a different era of the Imperium.

It's not meant to be an "industrial, mass-produced" piece (which for the record--nor is the regular Dreadnought). It's a work of art intended to venerate a fallen hero and give him a form to continue his fight against the enemies of Mankind.
Terminator and Artificer Armor serve similar purposes for the Astartes. Their wargear is a beloved extension of themselves; they have serfs who would scrabble over each other to work on said wargear.

Joe Mama wrote:I think Forgeworld everything is pointless. Paying more for a product with poorer quality control? Paying extra over plastic means I would have to deal with flashing and air bubbles? No thanks.

I think you're overlooking one serious detail : FINECAST

FW's quality control is echelons better than GWfinecrap.

Don't like them at all. The shoulder pads are just butt ugly

LunaHound wrote:I like it.

Because I see it as GW and FW together, use this opportunity to test water of possible future Terminator designs. Rather then releasing it as full blown plastic kit that end up costing them more $

where's your math boy? I assume we are talking about the tartaros pattern terminator suits, yes? If that's the case, its closer to $60 CAD before shipping.

That said, having compared the terminators, i find the tartaros suits far preferable. The only part that bothers me is the lack of an extra plate on the pauldron, something that hangs down while the arm is low but folds up when the arm is raised. As it happens, that's an easy "fix". The armour does look reminiscent of a dreadnought, but I find this more believable than the mono-posed heads on the standard terminators. They are of identical height to GW terminators, but they don't look hunched over, they look upright, and the proportions look better.

I'm quite fond of them actually. If I had the money or the need for them, i would actually buy them.

as an aside, these look like like easy conversions for SC Terran Marines

edit:
reviewed the images posted above. Both terminators are hunched, but the FW ones do not seem to require a gorrila build, where the head sprouts from a neckless chest. FW 'nators still be hunched, but it be easier on the eyes.

Kanluwen wrote:

ergotoxin wrote:They might look pretty good for a terminator IC in a standard space marine squad.

I'm not a fan of them though, and neither did I like Contemptor. It just lacks the industrial feel of a regular Dreadnought.

That's kind of the point of the Contemptor though. It's from a different era of the Imperium.

It's not meant to be an "industrial, mass-produced" piece (which for the record--nor is the regular Dreadnought). It's a work of art intended to venerate a fallen hero and give him a form to continue his fight against the enemies of Mankind.
Terminator and Artificer Armor serve similar purposes for the Astartes. Their wargear is a beloved extension of themselves; they have serfs who would scrabble over each other to work on said wargear.

I wasn't talking about the fluff of WK40K, but about art style used.

I'm not convinced by the new look. I always liked the way that you knew a Terminator when you looked at one, whereas these just don;t seem right... Its probably the helmet. Also the fluff is a bit dodgy in that they're supposedly much less restrictive in terms of movement... Apparently this tranlates into the guys having to hold their arms straight out from their body

No running or kneeling or anything, that would be far too dangerous

Also apparently East coast Mainline wireless thinks its in Sweden... weird

I think they look pretty damn boss. Like little tiny Contemptor Dreadnoughts.

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Joe Mama wrote:I think Forgeworld everything is pointless. Paying more for a product with poorer quality control? Paying extra over plastic means I would have to deal with flashing and air bubbles? No thanks.

I think you're overlooking one serious detail : FINECAST

FW's quality control is echelons better than GWfinecrap.

Overlooking? The thread was about Forgeworld, who I find to have quality control way below my standards. The fact that Finecast is even worse isn't going to change my opinion of FW.

i think if you were to view them from above {like you would on the table} they would give a more terminatory shape.

i think there great far nicer than the normal tda ..

like how people are complaining about proportion when a normal marine has thighs as thin as his forarms a head over half the size of its torso, arms down to its shins and sholders 3 times wider than its hips ! lol

Milisim wrote:The whole hobby is pointless, like this thread....

These new termie suits are for people interested in them....... Same reason some people play certain armies as opposed to others....

its the choice.............


If you dont like them, Dont buy them..........

FW dosent care.............

and neither does anyone who buys these terminators....

Some people have a real issue with choice here.


They arnt to my personal taste tho.

I myself think they look better. The head at lest is on top of the chest in the new ones and they look like very assault armor to me. All around I myself think they look better then the normal ones.

I like em, if a CC variant comes out, I will buy them.

I personally am not a huge fan of the FW Terminators, but think it's great that there are options out there. I am trying to like them, but I didn't really love the Contemptor pattern dreadnought much either. I appreciate where FW is coming from with the new designs, but I prefer the rivets and skulls look.

To those that love them get them painted up and share pictures. Maybe I'll change my mind if I see painted models.

poda_t wrote:

LunaHound wrote:I like it.

Because I see it as GW and FW together, use this opportunity to test water of possible future Terminator designs. Rather then releasing it as full blown plastic kit that end up costing them more $

where's your math boy? I assume we are talking about the tartaros pattern terminator suits, yes? If that's the case, its closer to $60 CAD before shipping.

Hmmm for some reason I saw it was 30 gbp, its 36 gbp, so $57

2ndly, you misread my sentence.
When I said FW uses opportunities like this to test new designs to how well they are received.
Because making molds for resin to test is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper than full scale plastic molds.

LunaHound wrote:

poda_t wrote:

LunaHound wrote:I like it.

Because I see it as GW and FW together, use this opportunity to test water of possible future Terminator designs. Rather then releasing it as full blown plastic kit that end up costing them more $

where's your math boy? I assume we are talking about the tartaros pattern terminator suits, yes? If that's the case, its closer to $60 CAD before shipping.

Hmmm for some reason I saw it was 30 gbp, its 36 gbp, so $57

2ndly, you misread my sentence.
When I said FW uses opportunities like this to test new designs to how well they are received.
Because making molds for resin to test is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper than full scale plastic molds.

no, i was just selectively speaking to cost, the rest of my post was a generic response to OP.

And to that regard, now that i had the liberty to read OP's title again.... the answer is: yes, actually, ALL of FW products are completely pointless on that note though, as GW produces cheaper options for most things, and the rules are more readily accessible than FW's rules, etc etc etc... Going on this tangent though, buying from GW is also pointless because i think other manufacturers from other games produce much sexier models....

o each their own though, FW produces a tournament legal alternative model, that's more appealing, or at least, different, and so long as GW and FW take turns releasing models, they keep rolling in the dough, so the point isn't necesarily based on need, rather on customer vanity and the desire to make money.

Milisim wrote:The whole hobby is pointless, like this thread....

If you really think the hobby is pointless, why are you taking the time to post? Secondly, the reason I made this thread was to see what other people thought of the new design, so there is a point to all of this, regardless of your negativity.

Even though I don't like the Tartaros suits, I'm actually glad that there are people who do, because that means FW will actually profit as a company, which also means that they will have funds to make something that I MIGHT like in the future! We all win in the end (hopefully). There have been some really interesting arguments in regards to the proportions, too...in support of the GW models, if a marine were to be hunching over in the suit, the proportions may make sense, but in support of the FW models, I believe that terminators who aren't hunching over in their armor would make a lot more sense.

Besides an order miss-hap (FW sent me a couple Space Wolf novels instead of conversion sets once...I have no idea how), I love Forge World. My Khorne terminators look like actual KHORNE terminators because of the conversion set I got for them. A lot of their HQ models are wonderful as well; I used most of the Lord Zhufor model to create my terminator lord.

What I think they really missed was the oppurtunity to do pre heresy terminators, so close, but so far

TheAngrySquig wrote:What I think they really missed was the oppurtunity to do pre heresy terminators, so close, but so far

I'm incredibly surprised that has yet to happen, they make a bunch of pre-heresy stuff, yet they come up with an entirely new terminator design to model instead of pre-heresy termies...does not compute.

I like them a lot actually. They are mini contemptors pretty much. If they came with a bunch of options and I had the cash I would go that route. I dont think many models are pointless although I think the ones that are worthless on the table start going that direction.

~Casey

TheAngrySquig wrote:What I think they really missed was the oppurtunity to do pre heresy terminators, so close, but so far

These ARE pre-Heresy:

"Originally developed during the closing years of the Great Crusade, and adapted from the heaviest of industrial gear, several types and patterns were developed concurrently."

They're just not the ugly Cataphract pattern many people expected.

You asked if they were pointless..... As a business that sells models.... how is selling different models pointless?

The fact that you dont like them is irrelevant........


Which is why I said the whole hobby is pointless then, because the whole GW 40k system is designed to SELL MODELS and not make you happy about their deisgn choices.


The reason they offer so many different armies is due to this very fact that people like different things...... much like the new Terminator models..

How does a topic like this get to page 3 without someone posting some pictures (minus some ones that have been scribbled over) ?







At the very least you could have linked to the forgeworld page to make it easier for people.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/TARTAROS_PATTERN_TERMINATOR_ARMOUR.html

They're honestly OK. Not a huge improvement, and I I kind of like them. But I think the plastic terminators from GW look better.

I dont get it, why so much hate on the baby contemptors?

I personally like them and may buy a set at some point.

iflywhirlybirds wrote:
Id really like to know who sculpted them. Id bet my bottom dollar that Will Hayes or Daren had nothing to do with these things.

WIll Hayes sculpted these.

torgoch wrote:

iflywhirlybirds wrote:
Id really like to know who sculpted them. Id bet my bottom dollar that Will Hayes or Daren had nothing to do with these things.

WIll Hayes sculpted these.

Is it too late to get in for a share of all iflywhirlybirds dollars?

ergotoxin wrote:They might look pretty good for a terminator IC in a standard space marine squad.

I'm not a fan of them though, and neither did I like Contemptor. It just lacks the industrial feel of a regular Dreadnought.

Also, using a helmet-less Terminator for the proportions comparison would be more appropriate.

This. They look like smaller Contemptors, and the only thing I have for the design of the Contemptors is... contempt...

Sorry, just had to use that pun. But yeah, I dislike that contemptor style, it just isn't grim dark gothic future and so on.

Joe Mama wrote:
I just don't like paying more for bad quality control. The end.

Then why do you buy any GW at all?

I like the FW terminators. They fit in with what the first gen of terminator modles that came out back in RT. Given the time of the heresy it makes sence that they appear the way they do. It also fits in that terminator is considered a rarity. There is mention that there was a suit of power armor that was developed that was an inbetween the mk IV and the current mark of termintor armor. So, the FW terminators fit into thd fluff and give a visual as to what that armor would look like. It looks like it fits a lot better then the currtent mark of terminator armor and seems to have more range of movement. Only thing that kinda bugs me is no assault cannon. Past that I like them. They just seem to fit into the time of the heresy which had a feel of things being more advanced then the era that was to follow in the time after the great betrayal. Also, being that in the fluff they're rare. It finds a place.

This is the effective status of several posters minds in this thread

Forge world makes bad looking models, Forge World is now completely pointless despite the fact they have developed other models for other ranges and entire new army lists in months while GW takes 12 years to develop a Codex. And this is just one product.

But its also part of 'GW' (Que scary theme), and for that reason, its 'evil' because people on the internet have decided so, and being that a majority of people I don't know and probably will never know have decided to bad mouth a company, I'll have no opinion of my own and whine and bitch over it on many threads that have nothing to do with the topic at hand because the internet told me so.

Forgeworld+GW= 'eV@LS' is what I see in this thread.

I like them, they are less hunched and more realistic though they are starting to resemble starcraft marines more and more. I know GW came first but the terminators and marines always had distinct differences to the new arrival of starcraft, till now.



But don't get me wrong I like them they are nicely done, though as of the moment I have no use for new-age termies.

Platuan4th wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:What I think they really missed was the oppurtunity to do pre heresy terminators, so close, but so far

These ARE pre-Heresy:

"Originally developed during the closing years of the Great Crusade, and adapted from the heaviest of industrial gear, several types and patterns were developed concurrently."

They're just not the ugly Cataphract pattern many people expected.

Didn't realize what cataphract pattern was, looked it up, if FW made this pattern of armor, that would indeed be pointless. Cataphract is the easiest pattern of T-armor to make. All you need are a pair of dreadnought greaves, so, to this regard, I am actually glad that FW did not go in this direction.

edit:
maybe i spoke too soon...



i think remaking these is a disastrous idea.

The point of this post comes down to one single fact, it is ether you love them or hate them, that simple. Yes GW came first, Yes FW makes models that you can use ether instead of GWs. The corporation is there to make money, evil or no, it’s all about profit. GW wants new gamers so they bring out new and flashy. FW caters to not new or old player, they cater to options.

I legitimately like these terminators.

Sasa0mg wrote:I like them, they are less hunched and more realistic though they are starting to resemble starcraft marines more and more. I know GW came first but the terminators and marines always had distinct differences to the new arrival of starcraft, till now.

Spoiler:

But don't get me wrong I like them they are nicely done, though as of the moment I have no use for new-age termies.

Not quite true, the first termie models were a lot more like the marines are.

I quite like them.

I played deathwing around the end of 3rd -4th and the new terminator kits were a joy to me. I really enjoy the variety and depth that has been contributed to TDA in the last little while, not to mention power armor customization options.

I'd be excited for the bitz and the different poses you get out of them. TDA and PA are supposed to be pretty characterful pseudo relics for some pretty dynamic people, but on the table, without a little work it tends to look pretty factory ordered and flat.

I'd be happier if there were more bitz, and a little more interchangeable, but I like when stuff gets fleshed out a little more.

The upright gate and posture is pretty weird, a lot more GK like or the throne defenders. It's weird, but I do enjoy the variety as I said.

New miniatures are never mistakes. Even if you don't like them, they add more to the universe that we all (mostly all) love. It's more variety, and it means its one more set of minis down between you and whatever you want FW to make.

Im going up to warhammer world on tuesday! so i can ask any questions to the forge world leaders if you want? just PM me...

Sekai wrote:New miniatures are never mistakes. Even if you don't like them, they add more to the universe that we all (mostly all) love. It's more variety, and it means its one more set of minis down between you and whatever you want FW to make.

Are you sure?

imanewb wrote:Im going up to warhammer world on tuesday! so i can ask any questions to the forge world leaders if you want? just PM me...

I'm sure anything we want to ask will have been asked on the Open Day on Sunday.

poda_t wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:What I think they really missed was the oppurtunity to do pre heresy terminators, so close, but so far

These ARE pre-Heresy:

"Originally developed during the closing years of the Great Crusade, and adapted from the heaviest of industrial gear, several types and patterns were developed concurrently."

They're just not the ugly Cataphract pattern many people expected.

Didn't realize what cataphract pattern was, looked it up, if FW made this pattern of armor, that would indeed be pointless. Cataphract is the easiest pattern of T-armor to make. All you need are a pair of dreadnought greaves, so, to this regard, I am actually glad that FW did not go in this direction.

edit:
maybe i spoke too soon...



i think remaking these is a disastrous idea.

Obviously not those disgusting gak sacks, but ones that look like pre heresy terminators. With the layered pads, like this guy:

Dear god, MAKE IT HAPPEN!

Two quotes from Forge World which I put in the Tartaros Pattern thread but not here. These are from their Facebook page when they responded to some of the questions.
When asked why they did this rather than Cataphractii-pattern armour:

Forge World wrote:Cataphractii-pattern armour fell out of use during the Horus Heresy, Martin.

When asked if there would be more "Marks" of Terminator Armour from FW:

Forge World wrote:Dimosthenis - Terminator armour doesn't have quite the same mark progression as power armour; effectively several patterns were designed at broadly the same time and some are more common than others.

jgehunter wrote:

Joe Mama wrote:
I just don't like paying more for bad quality control. The end.

Then why do you buy any GW at all?

Are you serious? What is wrong with GW plastics? The detail is ALWAYS there. It is not smushed or deformed or interrupted by air bubbles. You clip the pieces of the sprue, spend a short while taking off the mold lines on some pieces and boom, you have a perfectly good product, every time.

Joe Mama wrote:

jgehunter wrote:

Joe Mama wrote:
I just don't like paying more for bad quality control. The end.

Then why do you buy any GW at all?

Are you serious? What is wrong with GW plastics? The detail is ALWAYS there. It is not smushed or deformed or interrupted by air bubbles. You clip the pieces of the sprue, spend a short while taking off the mold lines on some pieces and boom, you have a perfectly good product, every time.

And since when has Forge World had poor quality control?

BlapBlapBlap wrote:And since when has Forge World had poor quality control?

Poor to me. Obviously not to you. I am not a fan of flashing or air bubbles or other nonsense. Paying extra for resin is a waste, in my opinion. If you read my responses you should have gathered this already, but I am replying again to clarify for you.

I'm fine with the look of the models, I just can't see why I'd pay anything for non-assault terminators right now.

Even in a fun or theme list, it's hard to fit in termies with a heavy flamer.

Which is a shame, because they look super cool.

They look ok

Personnaly i like them better, then the plastic ones.

Anatomicaly, they are more accurate, and when you look at the others pictures with different angles you do see that the armors stay pretty broad, but that the Marines in it are more upright, then hunced in a weird pose.

This weird hunced pose was one of the reasons why i din't have more then 8 Termies...

I was even considering to convert Tau Stealth exo armors to have something else and better looking.

I did use once a GK termi model to make a WE Techy in T armour( count as Oblit), and boy was i satisfied with the look of it!

So i might well get one of those unit and make real WE Termies!

For me in New Zealand most Forge World stuff is cheaper than GW. Its awesome.

Eternalhero1983 wrote:You just cannot condemn a company based on prices and (sometimes-questionable) business practices.

Uh, that's the exact criteria for condemning companies as a consumer.

Milisim wrote:You asked if they were pointless..... As a business that sells models.... how is selling different models pointless?

The fact that you dont like them is irrelevant........


Which is why I said the whole hobby is pointless then, because the whole GW 40k system is designed to SELL MODELS and not make you happy about their deisgn choices.


The reason they offer so many different armies is due to this very fact that people like different things...... much like the new Terminator models..

First off, selling different models WOULD be pointless if there was no demand for them. Supplying when there is no demand results in wasted spending. Unfortunately, that borderline happened to my local Air Traffic, which has stopped selling Games Workshop products as of today because demand was so low, that even after they gave out a 25%+ discount on everything, hardly anyone bought something. Yes, I'm just an individual, so my single opinion regarding a product doesn't matter to Games Workshop, but what happens when enough people share my opinion? In that scenario, my dislike would be relevant, because it wouldn't just be my dislike; it'd be the mass opinion of GW's consumer base.

Secondly, you didn't clarify the point you were trying to make with your original post, so how could I not misinterpret it? On top of that, you're speaking down to me. You've come across as haughty and presumptuous, and for that, your opinion has no value to me.