Seems FW has overcome their reluctance to do Horus Heresy and Aeronautica Imperialis books. Harry confirmed both of them coming, actually 3 HH and one AI book:

Harry wrote:Well if you and thedarkgeneral are right there is a lot of interesting stuff in the months ahead for 40K with what's coming from Forge World in the not to distant.

SunTzu wrote:Horus Heresy book, first in a series, based around Isstvan III. To be announced at Games Day (...though not sure whether that's UK or USA).
...I mean, I guess.

Harry wrote:LOL SunTzu .... consistently 'in the know' about all things Forge World.

SunTzu wrote:Hahaha. I don't claim to be consistently 'in the know' about anything. But every now and then - not often - I hear something. Sometimes it's even right!

Personally, I've never owned a Space Marine army, but you can bet for sure I'll be getting one if they do Heresy stuff.

dean wrote:A little birdy in the FW production line has said that they had a meeting and that there would be 2-3 waves of (big exciting things) that would happen towards the end of the year in spite of the Hobbit release. Of course they didnt tell the workers what they were...

Sum total of rumor: "Several exciting things coming from FW before the end of the year." Which matches Harry's vagueness... Also no more than could have been guessed anyway...

Harry wrote:'Vagueness'??? I was asked for a cryptic clue for crying out loud!
I can be more specific ....
There are three Heresy books coming .... the first one later this year.
...and yes you are quite right there are some big and exciting things coming with them.

There is another AI book coming before this lot however.

News that is both awesome and completely NOT surprising.

After the success of the FW "Heresy" marks of armor and the continued success of the BL HH series, it was only a matter of time!

Can't wait for this, and I cannot wait for a TRUE set of Pre-Heresy/Heresy Era Terminator armor!

Very interesting, this could mean lots of new Chaos minis along side a new codex.

Pass! I'll probably buy the books, simply because the FW books are always worth it in my mind, but the models?
Pass!

Unless we get some Imperial Army troopers or neat Dark Angels characters over the course of the 3 books, of course...

If this is true and I can finally buy an official Angron model I will be a happy man, here's to hoping!

Kanluwen wrote:Pass! I'll probably buy the books, simply because the FW books are always worth it in my mind, but the models?
Pass!

Moving right along...

Gorechild wrote:If this is true and I can finally buy an official Angron model I will be a happy man, here's to hoping!

Good point!

Though I'm not so sure they'll be doing Primarch models.

They should though, as a lot of other companies have made versions over the years, and I'd love to get some 'official' ones too!

If we're going to get another Marien Vs. Marien book from forge world, I hope atleast the other side are some proper CSM mini's. Not another case of Loyalists Vs. Angry Loyalists.

>.<

Lockark wrote:If we're going to get another Marien Vs. Marien book from forge world, I hope atleast the other side are some proper CSM mini's. Not another case of Loyalists Vs. Angry Loyalists.

>.<

...

You do know what the Horus Heresy is, right?

Oh no... Please don't try and represent the Primarchs in-game and in-model.

Kanluwen wrote:Pass! I'll probably buy the books, simply because the FW books are always worth it in my mind, but the models?
Pass!
Unless we get some Imperial Army troopers or neat Dark Angels characters over the course of the 3 books, of course...

Maybe FW includes a chapter of the Elysians first 3 defeats

If I had to hazard a guess, it's more likely that they won't represent the Primarchs in-game/in-model.

There's an easy way to do that, with the Primarchs taking a more "overarching commander of the war" approach and releasing characters for their various subordinates.


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Kanluwen wrote:Pass! I'll probably buy the books, simply because the FW books are always worth it in my mind, but the models?
Pass!
Unless we get some Imperial Army troopers or neat Dark Angels characters over the course of the 3 books, of course...

Maybe FW includes a chapter of the Elysians first 3 defeats

Also:
Harsh.

Just Dave wrote:Oh no... Please don't try and represent the Primarchs in-game and in-model.

Please DO, actually!

This is the ONLY place where it would make sense for Primarchs to show up and fight - DURING the Horus Heresy!

Bring it on!

BRING IT ALL ON!

I'd be happy with 18 beautiful Primarch models without any rules

Alpharius wrote:

Gorechild wrote:If this is true and I can finally buy an official Angron model I will be a happy man, here's to hoping!

Good point!

Though I'm not so sure they'll be doing Primarch models.

They should though, as a lot of other companies have made versions over the years, and I'd love to get some 'official' ones too!

I always though that if official Primarchs would be released it would always be a FW venture. I can see it causing issues from a gameplay point of view, but for the models alone I'd love it. Even if they were like £25 a pop I'd happily get half a dozen of my favourites simply to paint up. If you're doing a range for the heresy it would seem like such a missed opportunity to not release models for all the biggest characters of the story.

I think your estimate of £25 apiece is a little on the low side.

If, you know, they actually ever release them, of course.

I'm in!

Wow, sounds awesome.

Primarchs please!!

There's quite a demand for Primarch models, there are enough alternatives on the market by other manufacturers simply for the reason that GW stubbornly refuse to do them. I've never really understood why not, even as a Limited Edition as they did with various BL characters.

if they do primarch models i will buy them all.. no doubt

Gorechild wrote:If this is true and I can finally buy an official Angron model I will be a happy man, here's to hoping!

You can now!




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Just Dave wrote:Oh no... Please don't try and represent the Primarchs in-game and in-model.

Why now? A primarch can't possibly be more powerful than a daemon prince, avatar or c'tan.

Give them marine stats +1 (S5, T5 etc) and some special rules and bob's your uncle.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Gorechild wrote:If this is true and I can finally buy an official Angron model I will be a happy man, here's to hoping!

You can now!




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Just Dave wrote:Oh no... Please don't try and represent the Primarchs in-game and in-model.

Why now? A primarch can't possibly be more powerful than a daemon prince, avatar or c'tan.

Give them marine stats +1 (S5, T5 etc) and some special rules and bob's your uncle.

Pretty sure this is a troll attempt!

Ignore it, everyone, I implore you!

Maybe there will be some more references to the two lost legions!

I'll enjoy though some of the founding chapters getting some better stuff though like Iron Hands

Alpharius wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Gorechild wrote:If this is true and I can finally buy an official Angron model I will be a happy man, here's to hoping!

You can now!




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Just Dave wrote:Oh no... Please don't try and represent the Primarchs in-game and in-model.

Why now? A primarch can't possibly be more powerful than a daemon prince, avatar or c'tan.

Give them marine stats +1 (S5, T5 etc) and some special rules and bob's your uncle.

Pretty sure this is a troll attempt!

Ignore it, everyone, I implore you!

But i want to argue my case.... Gah!

Female chaos marines are 12 ft tall!

There i resisted

Kanluwen wrote:

Lockark wrote:If we're going to get another Marien Vs. Marien book from forge world, I hope atleast the other side are some proper CSM mini's. Not another case of Loyalists Vs. Angry Loyalists.

>.<

...

You do know what the Horus Heresy is, right?

Alot of the descriptions of the HH state that the tratiors didn't actully start looking chaos untill later in the Heresy/Segie of Terra.

Early in the HH many of the legions very well may still look very much like they did pre-herasey.


I just hope that's not the approach they go, and instead give us some great new CSM models to play with. =P Not more "loyalist stuff".

I really hope this will see the return of the classic female marine models from RT.

Awesauce, it true then will be very excited. I personally very much like the FW books - the FW WHFB ones just blew me away (plus love that smell they have ).

I'm a +1 for the Primarch's, I really can't see a reason why they can't do them.

Alpharius wrote:News that is both awesome and completely NOT surprising.

After the success of the FW "Heresy" marks of armor and the continued success of the BL HH series, it was only a matter of time!

Can't wait for this, and I cannot wait for a TRUE set of Pre-Heresy/Heresy Era Terminator armor!

agree on the terminators, but also need the grav tank, the saber, the hunter, jet bikes, fellblades, and a storm bird

My game group and I played the Tempus Fugitives Age of Heresy campaign. It had the Primarchs in it and it was alot of fun playing them. If done right they will be awesome to play.

Super-enthused about the possibility about some night lords characters.

Lockark wrote:
Early in the HH many of the legions very well may still look very much like they did pre-herasey.

Or, you know, exactly like they did pre-heresy.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Horus_Heresy#The_Battle_of_Istvaan_III


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From the way-less over-the-top days of 40k.

Predaking wrote:I'd be happy with 18 beautiful Primarch models without any rules

21 would be better


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scipio.au wrote:

Lockark wrote:
Early in the HH many of the legions very well may still look very much like they did pre-herasey.

Or, you know, exactly like they did pre-heresy.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Horus_Heresy#The_Battle_of_Istvaan_III


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k.

That is true but by the siege of terra you start to see them more chaosy.... but to be honest I would just be happy with pre heresy shoulder pads for all the legions

So, nobody's interested in talking about Forgeworld doing a book fora game they pretty much abandoned after the first supplement?

MUCH more interested in the possible AI book than I am in any HH books. I may buy some of the models (although they've already released Iron Armour, not much more I want) but new aircraft? much more interesting. Would be very surprising if they didn't include Dark Eldar and Necrons now they have aircraft in 40K

brettz123 wrote:
That is true but by the siege of terra you start to see them more chaosy.... but to be honest I would just be happy with pre heresy shoulder pads for all the legions

If they're doing 2 or 3 books on it, there's plenty of scope for both kinds and lots of blood to be gotten from this particular turnip...

3 books, I'm assuming Istavaan 3, instavaan 5, and maybe Calth?

Siege of Terra will be a no-brainer, IMO

Huh, I'm actually more surprised by the fact that they are going to do another Aeronautica Imperialis book. Dang..

Predaking wrote:I'd be happy with 18 beautiful Primarch models without any rules

Would it not be 19 because of Omagon, 21 if they get silly and do the lost guys who disapeared before the Heresy.

Smurfsrus, that's just put a beautiful image in my head of a diorama of Alpharius and Omegon fighting back to back. Given some of FWs excellent posing this could be absolutely sweet!

Also this could mean official preheresy Thousand Sons, which would be awesome. Egyptian god Astartes FTW!

Wow, this is the one thing I've always wanted to be able to play!

Damn, now which Legion do I want?!?

Charax wrote:So, nobody's interested in talking about Forgeworld doing a book fora game they pretty much abandoned after the first supplement?

MUCH more interested in the possible AI book than I am in any HH books. I may buy some of the models (although they've already released Iron Armour, not much more I want) but new aircraft? much more interesting. Would be very surprising if they didn't include Dark Eldar and Necrons now they have aircraft in 40K

I guess not?

To be honest though, you pair just about anything up with the Horus Heresy and the other thing us going to get shorted...

Predaking wrote:I'd be happy with 18 beautiful Primarch models without any rules

This. So much this. It would make me so happy to see 18 "consistent" Primarch models and a matching Emperor.

I'd kinda like to see the Alpharius and Omegon models made with identical parts, to represent them being twins. Of course, fitting the fluff in Legion, you'd just get two tall Space Marines in Mk.5 (?) armour.

Great news! Finally Pre-Heresy will become more mainstream.

On the other hand, I can't help but feel a little bit of the magic has been lost. Ever since the FW PH armour marks were released, it has removed the need to convert your own models extensively, and have lots of fun making conjecture over how to do things. For me, that's a pretty big issue, as I like to do things that are a bit different.

Time to move on to the Unification Wars?

Very cool if this happens...just don't get in the way of my Necron based IA book please!

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

Alpharius wrote:News that is both awesome and completely NOT surprising.

After the success of the FW "Heresy" marks of armor and the continued success of the BL HH series, it was only a matter of time!

Can't wait for this, and I cannot wait for a TRUE set of Pre-Heresy/Heresy Era Terminator armor!

agree on the terminators, but also need the grav tank, the saber, the hunter, jet bikes, fellblades, and a storm bird

Don't forget the Hercules.
Heresy does not just mean Marines. There is Imperial Army, and Mechanicum to cover as well. And for a bit of a nice mythology gag, the Horus Heresy was created to reduce the number of unique models needed for an early game. Those models? Warlord Titans.

I doubt Siege of Terra book myself, at least not now. BL has not gotten that far in the timeline yet.
My guess is Istvaan III/V as one book, focused on marines, Mechanicum schism focused on Mars (and including the Warlord and maybe knights, as well as Admech units everyone has been asking for) and then a Dark Times book, focused on the leadup to Terra, focused on the various legions and Imperial Army in the 7 year period.

Jadenim wrote:Smurfsrus, that's just put a beautiful image in my head of a diorama of Alpharius and Omegon fighting back to back. Given some of FWs excellent posing this could be absolutely sweet!

Also this could mean official preheresy Thousand Sons, which would be awesome. Egyptian god Astartes FTW!

That would look great having 2 primarchs on one base, would have to be 60mm to do them justice.

Your right about the TS they are the best pre-heresy legion, want to do them but would not be able to do them justice at the moment. In your description you forgot psycic, the Egyptians just had magic give them science from 30,000 odd years in the future and they just use their minds

MajorWesJanson wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

Alpharius wrote:News that is both awesome and completely NOT surprising.

After the success of the FW "Heresy" marks of armor and the continued success of the BL HH series, it was only a matter of time!

Can't wait for this, and I cannot wait for a TRUE set of Pre-Heresy/Heresy Era Terminator armor!

agree on the terminators, but also need the grav tank, the saber, the hunter, jet bikes, fellblades, and a storm bird

Don't forget the Hercules.
Heresy does not just mean Marines. There is Imperial Army, and Mechanicum to cover as well. And for a bit of a nice mythology gag, the Horus Heresy was created to reduce the number of unique models needed for an early game. Those models? Warlord Titans.

I doubt Siege of Terra book myself, at least not now. BL has not gotten that far in the timeline yet.
My guess is Istvaan III/V as one book, focused on marines, Mechanicum schism focused on Mars (and including the Warlord and maybe knights, as well as Admech units everyone has been asking for) and then a Dark Times book, focused on the leadup to Terra, focused on the various legions and Imperial Army in the 7 year period.

Hasn't there been talk about an AdMech book coming up in the not-so-distant future? Could be related right there.

Knights,
Titans,
And Primarchs. Oh my.

Deis Aires sp? (chaos warlord titan) ftw

Theophony wrote:Deis Aires sp? (chaos warlord titan) ftw

Dies Irae

4oursword wrote:I'd kinda like to see the Alpharius and Omegon models made with identical parts, to represent them being twins. Of course, fitting the fluff in Legion, you'd just get two tall Space Marines in Mk.5 (?) armour.

Well, unless they didn't wear the exact same clothes/armour for every day of their (fictional) lives.

Please ignore this post.

Charax wrote:So, nobody's interested in talking about Forgeworld doing a book fora game they pretty much abandoned after the first supplement?

MUCH more interested in the possible AI book than I am in any HH books. I may buy some of the models (although they've already released Iron Armour, not much more I want) but new aircraft? much more interesting. Would be very surprising if they didn't include Dark Eldar and Necrons now they have aircraft in 40K

Me too, sod HH give me some Epic goodness! I was desperately looking through to see if there are any further AI info. Also, was hoping to see something on their long talked about Adeptus Titanicus game. Here's hoping we'll see all current 40k flyers from FW and Citadel making it in along with things like the Tzeentch daemon flyers (Doomwing, Firelord, Silver Tower).

Gimme some more BFG...


...and let FFG handle the rules going forward...

Harry wrote:Please ignore this post.

I'm guessing it was kind of important? what was written here, does anyone know?

I dont think so

While the news of HH books comes as no surprise to me, it is still great news and something I have been wanting for a while now.

I am hoping for plenty of obscure sm tanks, a stormbird and Imperial Army models. HH termies as well I suppose but they are not at the top of my wishlist.

Harry wrote:Please ignore this post.

Too late, I saw it.



So they,re finally going to reveal that Cypher is the real Emperor an the guy on the throne is Horus huh? cool

Not sure how I feel about Marbo and creed being the missing primarchs though.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Harry wrote:Please ignore this post.

Too late, I saw it.



So they,re finally going to reveal that Cypher is the real Emperor an the guy on the throne is Horus huh? cool

Not sure how I feel about Marbo and creed being the missing primarchs though.

That's because you clearly lack his tactical genius.

scipio.au wrote:Siege of Terra will be a no-brainer, IMO

This would be a great book, but as a campaign history I can only imagine how ridiculously large this would have to be. Most FW books are more than just a 'history' lesson, but also the stimulus for campaign games. At least this is my experience with the books.

Primarch participation would possibly be a requirement as the battles muct be distilled down to iconic events (Battle of the Barge, Battle of the Palace Gates etc...) to prevent "Battle of Leipzig fatigue syndrome". All the while doing the subject justice. Hopefully they WILL address the Primarch issue and not avoid it by having campaigns skirt it by reducing campaigns to the battle of "Dorn's right hand man, Captain so-and-so's battle for the left entry-way to the Palace gate" er, battle...

I hope you get my meaning here.

How they deal with Istvaan will give good insight into this.

I still think GW should sculpt an Emperor miniature but only offer the single sculpt for sale. Charge $40k and finish the mini to have a likeness to the buyer and it comes prepainted. It strikes me as the GW thing to do.

aka_mythos wrote:I still think GW should sculpt an Emperor miniature but only offer the single sculpt for sale. Charge $40k and finish the mini to have a likeness to the buyer and it comes prepainted. It strikes me as the GW thing to do.

They already did a metal thunderhawk for 40,000 pennies (£400), I think the "Charge 40K for something" gimmick is played out

Horus Heresy books eh. Looks like GW is cashing in their "get out of jail card". Considering all the wacky decisions of late, I am not surprised. This theory is further justified by the fact that they are doing 4 books instead of just 1 or 2.

In regards to primarchs, I doubt we will be seeing them. It's probably a good thing though because outside of the various rules issues that could happen, there's also the possibility of getting another "anniversary marine" style miscast shenanigans.

candy.man wrote: there's also the possibility of getting another "anniversary marine" style miscast shenanigans.

That was made by GW and their failcast while what is being talked about is Forge World doing the books so would be Forge Wourld resin used. This would mean that it would be an amazing model and not the problems that came with the anniversary guy.

FW books means typos! Lots of them! Can you spot them all?

BrookM wrote:FW books means typos! Lots of them! Can you spot them all?

Yes! I can!

Do I get a cookie?

candy.man wrote:Horus Heresy books eh. Looks like GW is cashing in their "get out of jail card". Considering all the wacky decisions of late, I am not surprised. This theory is further justified by the fact that they are doing 4 books instead of just 1 or 2.

In regards to primarchs, I doubt we will be seeing them. It's probably a good thing though because outside of the various rules issues that could happen, there's also the possibility of getting another "anniversary marine" style miscast shenanigans.

I think that with the heresy spanning the entire galaxy and all that they can easily fill 4 books if a small subsector fight like Huron's rebellion or a single planetary conflict like Vraks can fill 2-3. I'm looking forward to them. They'll probably likely be the only non-paint purchases I make from GW outside of the 6th edition minibook and a possible future Tau or Dark Angel codex.

Great, HH books. Sounds fantastic and cool. And if they do all of them right, I may buy a few Deathguard. But, no matter what, till GW fixes the Vehicle-spambook, I still cant play DeathGuard as they were Pre-heresy. So I have to say that my interest is limited. :-/

I don't think Primarch rules are beyond possible. Fluff wise a Greater Daemon or Eldar Avatar is capable of pushing them to their limit, one on one, if not beating them. Following the mini monstrous creature precedent set by Mephiston with some nice, army buff type special rules could actually result in some relatively balanced, not overpowered, units that play in a manner pleasingly like they're imagined to behave on the battlefield.

Fundamentally, the concept will stand or fall on the quality of the sculpts though, if they look cool enough nobody will worry if they're relatively under powered, but they should do all they can to avoid over doing it.

Kanluwen wrote:

BrookM wrote:FW books means typos! Lots of them! Can you spot them all?

Yes! I can!

Do I get a cookie?

No, you should be getting a job at FW at the proof reading department.

Harry wrote:I need to add ... Another guy I trust has contacted me to say he thinks I am wrong about the AI book.
So it is possible that may not be happening. Time will tell.
Apologies if I have got anyone excited over nothing.
If I can find out more either way I will post to clear this up.

Awwww, I really like AI!

smUrfsrUs wrote:That was made by GW and their failcast while what is being talked about is Forge World doing the books so would be Forge Wourld resin used. This would mean that it would be an amazing model and not the problems that came with the anniversary guy.

You didn't get the FW event only Skin Wolf model did you? For some reason they decided to make it using the Finecast method... and it was a horrible horrible cast.

On a different note, I'm always up for more FW books!

endtransmission wrote:
You didn't get the FW event only Skin Wolf model did you? For some reason they decided to make it using the Finecast method... and it was a horrible horrible cast.

I think you just got a naff one, mine was absolutely gorgeous.

Kroothawk wrote:

Harry wrote:I need to add ... Another guy I trust has contacted me to say he thinks I am wrong about the AI book.
So it is possible that may not be happening. Time will tell.
Apologies if I have got anyone excited over nothing.
If I can find out more either way I will post to clear this up.

*Tinfoil Hat On*
Harry was Dead On,his friend behind the looking glass crapped a green apple.
"What the hell are you doing?,You'll get me fired"
Harry denies the whole mess
*Tinfoil Hat Off*

Platuan4th wrote:I think you just got a naff one, mine was absolutely gorgeous.

I think you got the lucky one as I've now had 3 awful ones and know of at least 4 other people who have had the same experience with them losing fingers to bubbles. Anyway... it's off topic for this thread

FW stopped releasing AI stuff for economic reasons. The reasons still apply. So a new AI book would be a surprise.

smUrfsrUs wrote:

candy.man wrote: there's also the possibility of getting another "anniversary marine" style miscast shenanigans.

That was made by GW and their failcast while what is being talked about is Forge World doing the books so would be Forge Wourld resin used. This would mean that it would be an amazing model and not the problems that came with the anniversary guy.

For infantry I was under the impression that Forgeworld used the same blend of resin as Finecast, although they used a different method of casting and have a higher quality threshold (Possibly linked to the lower output).

This does link in rather nicely with the hint we got at Black Library Live! this year. There was a hint about something big for the Heresy slated for the tail-end of this year. And to be honest, it was only a matter of time.

Kroothawk wrote:FW stopped releasing AI stuff for economic reasons. The reasons still apply. So a new AI book would be a surprise.

AI is actually really fun. It had a short life in our gaming group, but you never really need to buy more than 4-6 planes so I can see it not doing stellar.

Now the long-rumored Titan game, that I would spend so much money on.

oh AI is great, it's just that you *can't* stock it even if you'd want to so it's FW only and FW has a... reputation for price even if AI doesn't warrant that. also, you need a CC which isn't good for a european company especially.
I think that cost them a lot of sales, too. had it been sold via stores and discounters, getting some more visibility, not the presumption of high prices and particular niches FW often has, it would've sold several times more.

Aye, but this is how FW keeps afloat..

Sure, and with their main range it makes sense. With AI, it didn't. All I'm saying is AI should've been handled differently. would've made them more money, too.

smUrfsrUs wrote:That was made by GW and their failcast while what is being talked about is Forge World doing the books so would be Forge Wourld resin used. This would mean that it would be an amazing model and not the problems that came with the anniversary guy.

FW also use Finecast resin in certain circumstances (my Decimator Siege Claws are made out of Finecast whilst the rest of the Decimator is made out of FW resin).

I have a couple of guys who oly really buy from FW in my area, they have never complained about the quality of the resin models they get. Have also seen it disscused on here that they used different resin formulas, so i'm sorry if I got that wrong.

About time!

Why in the world this hasn't been done sooner is beyond me, this will be like printing money.

I look forward to this, if they are in the same level as Vraks or the Badab War I will be impressed.

Pacific wrote:
Time to move on to the Unification Wars?

I would really like to see this myself.

Please, almighty Lords, let it be the Siege of Terra.

I'm in two minds about the idea of primarchs on the table, but I'd be delighted to have the chance to get models and rules for jetbikes and cataphract terminators. Oh, and maybe custodes too...

Edit: given that the last book would pretty much have to be the siege of Terra, I wonder if, since I presume the novel would have to be written first, we might have been given an inkling as to Black Library's schedule? Horus Heresy series wrapped up by, say, December 2013? (Presuming Forge World release one book every six months, as seems standard.)

Reecius wrote:About time!

Why in the world this hasn't been done sooner is beyond me, this will be like printing money.

Been saying it for years. I think the official line was that they were reluctant to do it because two settings would be confusing to the beginner, or something like that. So perhaps FW represents a "safe haven" to GW where they can target Vinny Veteran with HH without confusing Billy Beginner. Although IMO a regular GW release would leverage the popularity of the books much better.

Thinking about piles of FW Chaos models to go alongside some wicked heresy era books makes my face smile and my wallet feel lighter already....

I will be all over this stuff if it comes out....

English Assassin wrote:Horus Heresy series wrapped up by, say, December 2013?

Given that the series is a license to print money for Black Library, not likely. We've only just gotten past the start and into the Heresy proper, which is around seven years of content to fill in, and you can bet they're going to fill that in long before we get towards Terra.

English Assassin wrote:Edit: given that the last book would pretty much have to be the siege of Terra,

I disagree about that being a given, EA. The Black Library HH books aren't anywhere near Terra, so I doubt FW would jump straight there. There is plenty that has been covered in the HH books already for FW to start with, before we even start talking about Legion versus Legion:

1. The war with the Interex
2. The Megarachnids on Murder
3. Retaking Davin
4. Auretian Technocracy

Lots to expand on really.

Alpharius wrote:I think your estimate of £25 apiece is a little on the low side.

If, you know, they actually ever release them, of course.

My guess would be the price would be closer to £45 to £65 using the chaos god specific daemon princes and heralds as a good price indicator, since you know they would be finecast models.

Priamarchs, Primarchs!!!

Dude, Forgeworld will give us the quality the Primarchs deserve and I SO want to have Konrad Curze leading my Night Lords against the Imperial weaklings! Gosh, that would be so epic!!

Man, Forgeworld, don't disappoint us on this one!

kronk wrote:

English Assassin wrote:Edit: given that the last book would pretty much have to be the siege of Terra,

I disagree about that being a given, EA. The Black Library HH books aren't anywhere near Terra, so I doubt FW would jump straight there. There is plenty that has been covered in the HH books already for FW to start with, before we even start talking about Legion versus Legion:

1. The war with the Interex
2. The Megarachnids on Murder
3. Retaking Davin
4. Auretian Technocracy

Lots to expand on really.

That reminds me, I'd love to see a Olamic Quietude list, if not models. That'd be brilliant.

Oh my god, megarachnids or interex from FW would be fething awesome!!!

kronk wrote:

English Assassin wrote:Edit: given that the last book would pretty much have to be the siege of Terra,

I disagree about that being a given, EA. The Black Library HH books aren't anywhere near Terra, so I doubt FW would jump straight there. There is plenty that has been covered in the HH books already for FW to start with, before we even start talking about Legion versus Legion:

1. The war with the Interex
2. The Megarachnids on Murder
3. Retaking Davin
4. Auretian Technocracy

Lots to expand on really.

There is a precedent for BL characters not being a crossover onto the tabletop. This could extend to FW as well. We will probably end up seeing a campaign that directly covers the major engagements and leads up to the war on Terra.

I'm sure there are plenty who disagree, but if I want the detailed story, the BL books are there to cover that. I want the epic battles of the Heresy and Primarchs, and Legion vs. Legion. To do it with the depth of BL novels would just be bleeding money that the average gamer can't afford. Three books to cover the main events of the Heresy is perfect, IMO.

My vote would be Ullanor. A sector wide battle at the apex of the crusade that involves the Big E, Luna Wolves, White Scars, Ultramarines, Ad mech, imperial army and the biggest waaaagh of all time.

Win!


Also Primarch models please. I prefer with rules, but even without is ok.

Problem is, much of these events are from the Great Crusade, not the Horus Heresy.
Depends how literal these rumours are I guess, although Harry himself admits not really knowing about 40K, however this might not extend to the HH...

Just Dave wrote:Problem is, much of these events are from the Great Crusade, not the Horus Heresy.
Depends how literal these rumours are I guess, although Harry himself admits not really knowing about 40K, however this might not extend to the HH...

I wasn't meaning that there wouldn't be Legion on Legion action in these books, I was just pointing out that there is a lot of ground OUTSIDE of Legion versus Legion that they could cover. I would still be surprised if they covered anything in a Forge World book that would bypass the current timeline in the HH series. They're certainly taking their time with the HH series with the Black Library. I doubt they would "spoil" any of their upcoming stories. I use spoil in quotes as I'm aware that the BL HH series is just taking the bits and pieces of established cannon and expanding on them greatly, or filling in gaps that were never mentioned before.

We'll see, though. I'd certainly love to get my hands on a Primarch, but I'm not sure I want one in the game.

kronk wrote:

Just Dave wrote:Problem is, much of these events are from the Great Crusade, not the Horus Heresy.
Depends how literal these rumours are I guess, although Harry himself admits not really knowing about 40K, however this might not extend to the HH...

I wasn't meaning that there wouldn't be Legion on Legion action in these books, I was just pointing out that there is a lot of ground OUTSIDE of Legion versus Legion that they could cover.

Oh I know, I was just saying that the ground outside Legion vs. Legion you mentioned doesn't take place during the HH, but rather the Crusade. Again, it depends how literal the rumours were...

kronk wrote:

English Assassin wrote:Edit: given that the last book would pretty much have to be the siege of Terra,

I disagree about that being a given, EA. The Black Library HH books aren't anywhere near Terra, so I doubt FW would jump straight there. There is plenty that has been covered in the HH books already for FW to start with, before we even start talking about Legion versus Legion:

1. The war with the Interex
2. The Megarachnids on Murder
3. Retaking Davin
4. Auretian Technocracy

Lots to expand on really.

As has already been pointed out, that would be a Great Crusade campaign book, not a Horus Heresy one.

I suppose that it's possible (though it would be disappointing) that Forge World would (as the original Epic Space Marine did) stick to the open-ended "Road to Terra" portion of the Heresy, either designing scenarios around evens already established in the novels or filling-in events outside them, and leave the Siege itself to be a narrative postscript.

Still, I think there's some plausibility to the suggestion that any game supplements will follow the novels, and that Forge World's release schedule might offer some clues about Black Library's. I guess we'll have to wait a year or so to find out.

If it were truly a great crusade book Istivan 3 would be the last book not the first.

I'd love it if they introduced some of the Alien races mention, and the Technocracy. I hope this is true.

I would definitely be purchasing some..

Please let this true, Imperial Fist legion inc!