Yup. Played a tournament round against someone who managed to squeak in with an illegal list (I thought I'd squash him, so didn't report it). He then proceeded to make every single regeneration save he was called upon to make. Failed one in the entire game. I suspect weighted dice. He absolutely crushed me because he couldn't fail a single save, then threw me a sportsmanship score of 0 because he didn't appreciate my list. Yeah, if I ran into him again, I'd probably refuse the match. I'll admit I did also score him a 0 for suspected weighted dice and an illegal list. My list was mean (1000pts with a Grey Seer, Hellpit Abom, 2 units of censor bearers, clan rats and stormvermin w/ storm banner), but hardly illegal. His was prior to 8th edition vampires, where the 7th edition book stated that direwolves didn't count towards core unit minimum restrictions, and he only took wolves and corpse carts for core, then had a VC and Graveguard deathstar. In 8th this list is now legal, but it was not at the time. The carts (or a banner, forgot which) gave his guys regen and they were unfailable. I probably sound bitter, but I guess I am-guy had to cheat to take 3rd place at a free tournament that didn't give prizes (other than a medal). I got a medal the year before for 40k and wanted to add a fantasy to my collection, but not after that game...
There was only one I've run into since I started playing in 5th. His name was "Justin". He was a complete douchenozzle. He brought the hardest list he could. Rode the line between playing within the rules and outright cheating. Would rules-lawyer the hell out you until you just packed up your stuff or went along with his interpretation of the rules. He was our TFG. Most of the gamers in the area simply refused to play him anymore. Many local stores banned him outright. I'm not sure what happened to him, I think he moved away. Whatever happened, good riddance. He does however live on as the butt of many a joke and the person you just don't want to be compared to.
A guy at our Flgs, who thankfully rarely shows anymore, was the extreme representation of arrogance. Any opinion (even facts) that rivalled his own thinking were out of the question. In a 2v2 game, he set up all his little tank trap things in a huge line that co*k blocked our armies (I played orks, my bro played nids) he also played burna heavy orks. SO he would force us to move through narrow gaps and he'd turbo boost his burnas in a truck and flame the f**k out of our blobs of troops. Meanwhile, his comrade (and best friend) blasted us with sub munitions from three hammer heads. It was my brothers first and last game. He left his orks in a tackle box for a long period of time at the store, and when he recovered them, they had been beaten up. They were obviously moved multiple times by the owner, but he reverted to blamming me since I was the youngest of our group. Pot-bellied, big-headed, arrogant, son'of'a bitch that one.
There is this one guy who, if i can avoid it, i dont want to play against. None of his guys are painted, always tells me what i should field(despite me telling him i dont want too) and run the cheesiests lists ever. He talks about starting another army when none of his guys are painted just because he wants to win. And he is a slob and kinda just someone you dont want to play againts.
We had a guy like that, kept telling me that my force needed this or that, i have been playing 20+ years, think i know what works and what doesnt and sometimes i want to play the stuff the immortal interwebz deems crapy lol
I have been told to give this guy the benefit of the doubt, that it was largely a misunderstanding.
My friend from work, with whom I gamed and enjoyed the experience, told me about his flat mate who wanted to have a game with me. My friend warned me that it would a 'competitive' game as this guy didn't like to lose.
I arranged via my friend to meet this guy at the local shop. We set up, I brought my usual list of battlewagon based orks and something became immediately obvious, this guy had none of the usual targets, no vehicles whatsoever, multiple small units of marines with rockets and melta. His army was geared towards killing mine specifically. It became clear my friend from work had obviously been talking our games over and this guy had sat down and geared his list, which I had no idea about, to break mine, which he clearly knew everything about. And he deployed everything in a silly conga line behind a piece of terrain which blocked los. In what should have been an open, relaxed game, he painstakingly moved everything by tiny degrees to deny charges, had melta suicide scouts stuck onto terrain to attack my wagons and took half hour turns to move everything 'just so' and then change his mind and move again.
And he bought a friend... this other guy sat at the edge of the table with the rulebook and questioned everything I did, from my disembark,shoot,assault from wagons, to the kff's save for vehicles and everything else. This sidekick didn't have a clue what my army did and seemed to be some editions behind the times but not once stopped from questioning me in everything I did in a manner which strongly suggested that it was I who was cheating or gaming for some advantage.
I lasted 3 turns before I shook the other guy's hand and told him he'd won, because the entire experience was irritating me so much. He was apparently an exGW manager, I would hate to have experienced that style as my introduction to the games as a young man.
My buddies and I all play different stuff than what the internet advises-Rats? We don't do hordes, we do small, compact, elite units and always, ALWAYS field a doom rocket. Why wouldn't you?! 40k daemons? I fielded Slaanesh Princes, Nurgle Princes, Flamers, Plaguebearers, Seekers and KoS's. Meta-game said Tzeralds on discs, Tzeentch Princes, Horrors and Fiends. No thanks, I play what works for me, not what works for the web. Sure, there are units you are a fool not to take (longfangs/mournfangs), but there is a difference between following the internet and thinking for yourself and making a list others aren't prepared to deal with. Formosa is 100% right. Kinda wish there was a way to remove power lists from the internet...while I'm at the impossible wishes, I'd like my farts to always smell like strawberries.
I /really/ hate TFG in all his myriad forms (New theory TFGs are avatars of Tzeentch) Whether it's whining about conversions or counts as in a friendly game, insane rules lawyering (to be clear I run a legal game, but Goddess if you need to break out a BRB every turn there are /issues/ at hand.)
Smack talking another's army or generally making an arse of one's self.
Telling me how I should do things for my army as if you're the divine authority on all strategy (a friendly suggestion is fine "Hey next time, try countering X unit or move with Y, it's really thrown a spanner in the works for me before", acting like a sanctimonious arrogant jerk is not)
Basically any one who isn't in the game for the same reason I am which is to have FUN. A radical concept to be sure...
My first encounter with TFG was actually before I got in to the true flamers of nerdery back when my favorite things were peanut butter and banana sammiches and playing the Poke'mon TCG with my friends. A new kid transferred in to class sat down where the rest of the proto-nerds were eating at lunch and pulled his deck out. In short the kid was the TFG perfected, any thing to win, rules lawyering before we knew what the hell that was, cheated every possible way he could and when he one would try to take other kid's cards cause he'd "won them".
I have to admit I'm glad I met that little because it made me realize there's no point to any hobby unless you are having /fun/ with said hobby.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:I have been told to give this guy the benefit of the doubt, that it was largely a misunderstanding.
My friend from work, with whom I gamed and enjoyed the experience, told me about his flat mate who wanted to have a game with me. My friend warned me that it would a 'competitive' game as this guy didn't like to lose.
I arranged via my friend to meet this guy at the local shop. We set up, I brought my usual list of battlewagon based orks and something became immediately obvious, this guy had none of the usual targets, no vehicles whatsoever, multiple small units of marines with rockets and melta. His army was geared towards killing mine specifically. It became clear my friend from work had obviously been talking our games over and this guy had sat down and geared his list, which I had no idea about, to break mine, which he clearly knew everything about. And he deployed everything in a silly conga line behind a piece of terrain which blocked los. In what should have been an open, relaxed game, he painstakingly moved everything by tiny degrees to deny charges, had melta suicide scouts stuck onto terrain to attack my wagons and took half hour turns to move everything 'just so' and then change his mind and move again.
And he bought a friend... this other guy sat at the edge of the table with the rulebook and questioned everything I did, from my disembark,shoot,assault from wagons, to the kff's save for vehicles and everything else. This sidekick didn't have a clue what my army did and seemed to be some editions behind the times but not once stopped from questioning me in everything I did in a manner which strongly suggested that it was I who was cheating or gaming for some advantage.
I lasted 3 turns before I shook the other guy's hand and told him he'd won, because the entire experience was irritating me so much. He was apparently an exGW manager, I would hate to have experienced that style as my introduction to the games as a young man.
I have had pretty much the same experience with some one just like this.
Guy who flits between the 2 local GWs, plays straight up eldar. In passing, he argues against every list about how is elder can beat them. Thunderwolves? His eldar "can dance circles around them and shoot them down" Paladins? His eldar "will instant death those 2 wounds away". Now smack talking for confidence is onething, going on constanty is another. Ontop of that, he does manage that, Not cus of his eldar, but because without declaring what hes doing itl be a case of he will arbitarily roll dice, quickly scoop them up and tell you you need this many saves, or tell you to just remove that many models. Ontop of the lines like "theres no point you rolling, you wont be able to get 6s on 4 dice" and tries to talk you out of it.
doc1234 wrote:Guy who flits between the 2 local GWs, plays straight up eldar. In passing, he argues against every list about how is elder can beat them. Thunderwolves? His eldar "can dance circles around them and shoot them down" Paladins? His eldar "will instant death those 2 wounds away". Now smack talking for confidence is onething, going on constanty is another. Ontop of that, he does manage that, Not cus of his eldar, but because without declaring what hes doing itl be a case of he will arbitarily roll dice, quickly scoop them up and tell you you need this many saves, or tell you to just remove that many models. Ontop of the lines like "theres no point you rolling, you wont be able to get 6s on 4 dice" and tries to talk you out of it.
I think I may have met this guy. Seems obsessed with Wraithlords.
doc1234 wrote:Guy who flits between the 2 local GWs, plays straight up eldar. In passing, he argues against every list about how is elder can beat them. Thunderwolves? His eldar "can dance circles around them and shoot them down" Paladins? His eldar "will instant death those 2 wounds away". Now smack talking for confidence is onething, going on constanty is another. Ontop of that, he does manage that, Not cus of his eldar, but because without declaring what hes doing itl be a case of he will arbitarily roll dice, quickly scoop them up and tell you you need this many saves, or tell you to just remove that many models. Ontop of the lines like "theres no point you rolling, you wont be able to get 6s on 4 dice" and tries to talk you out of it.
Gaaaaaaah playing your dice "loaded" like that is just a frakky way to be. This is why I have actively started using dice bag on my tablet "Okay lemme roll for this..." *presses button* "Okay here's the results" *shows tablet* a couple guys I know at the store have standardized it for play with guys who are "fast rollers"
doc1234 wrote:Guy who flits between the 2 local GWs, plays straight up eldar. In passing, he argues against every list about how is elder can beat them. Thunderwolves? His eldar "can dance circles around them and shoot them down" Paladins? His eldar "will instant death those 2 wounds away". Now smack talking for confidence is onething, going on constanty is another. Ontop of that, he does manage that, Not cus of his eldar, but because without declaring what hes doing itl be a case of he will arbitarily roll dice, quickly scoop them up and tell you you need this many saves, or tell you to just remove that many models. Ontop of the lines like "theres no point you rolling, you wont be able to get 6s on 4 dice" and tries to talk you out of it.
I think I may have met this guy. Seems obsessed with Wraithlords.
We had a guy who cheated at Malifaux any which way he could. He'd flip cards and cast a spell, then when he finds out it didn't work, he changes his mind and uses the same score to cast a different spell. He'd flip duels between his minis and once he'd seen the cards he'd then decide which was the attacker and which was the defender.
I won the game 4 - 2 but I told him straight up he was a cheat, and no one in our gaming group would play him and he might as well leave the LGS if thats was his manner of gaming. He moved on to a different game system after that (me and my friends are the only regular Malifaux players in the store) before dropping off the radar (I think the Dystoipan players gave him a similar talk)
Sometimes you have to drop the polite geek act and just state how throughly unenjoyable that gaming experience was and the reasons for it (Just as long as its actual incidences of cheating and not butt-hurt)
WanderingMinstrel wrote:He sounds like a massive tool. When you say "guy" do you actually mean "boy"?
Oh he is -_- and id say early 20s at a guess, so YMMV on guy or boy when i started collecting, went on a rant about psyfledreads being overrated, that they barely stack up against his wraithlords
I've come across people who after talking to them I wouldn't likely play them.
Generally they are people who think that the following things are not over the top or broken:
Teclis
2 hydra or HPA
deathstar builds of doom
I also played a guy once who somehow had an endless supply of dispel scrolls(back when you could take more than 1) and madcap mushrooms. Lots of cheating for a random pickup game.
Many of these reasons are why I got my wife to play. I mean, I enjoy winning, but it's the whole "beating someone based on skill and merit" that makes me want to win, not winning at any cost. I enjoy seeing lists or players that beat me, as it makes me think of how to improve.
Honestly, if I wanted to win all day I'd keep playing WoW or BF3. I'm plenty good at those games and there are plenty of terrible players to make me feel better about myself. Winning at those games got old. It just wasn't fun anymore.
A couple off the top of my head - one has cheated everytime we have played, and broke a couple of my models.
The other was a narcissist who spent half three quarters of an hour setting up, during which time he showed me practically everyone of his models and droned on about the paintjob, which was ok but not as wonderful as he thought. Oh and he started giving out painting tips on my models. In the end I went for a coffee and cigarette. Then when the game started he argued about everything, and was under the impression that I was simply there to move my models where he wanted them moved - in the end I used the fake phone call on my phone, made my excuses, packed up and left.
Luckily, no one I would NEVER play again, but a few who have come close...
Namely, younger guy (18ish) running Winter Guard Deathstar and eSorcha.First, he tried to convince me that because one WGI was in range of my DeathJack that all of them could CRA him. After being shown he was wrong, DJ ate quite a few WGI. Then he insisted that I couldn't get souls from his MoW Shocktroopers cause they were 'mini-jacks'.
Finally, Sorcha was against the back of the board. DJ with five focus and an arc node (with pDenny on the other end, fully loaded on focus as well) staring her down. I asked if he'd like to bow out now (he seemed frustrated and I didn't want to make him watch his caster be turned to paste if he didn't want to). He seemed to consider it, then told me there was definitively no way I could possible hurt him. Bravado aside, he was serious.
Eventually, we argued about AOE deviations (with an node 3" away, it can't drift 6" away!) until the entire store had to tell him he was incorrect.
I'd play him again. But I'd play a much more forward list, to avoid confusion.
A guy named Keran, cheats, bullies and swears at almost any one he plays whose not older or as strong as him. Attacked children, cheated constantly, just a donkey cave right off the bat, but at least I only go on the day he doesn't.
guyperson5 wrote:Guy that takes 2 hours to make an army list..... thankfully, I've heard that there is a rule that you have to pre-make your army list (I think?)
Well, you can't build your army list to counter the other guy's, that's a massive donkey-cave maneuver. There's no rule that you have to come prepared with an army list, but it's best to to save time.
Speaking of, I've got three opponents I hope not to play again.
1. I played against a guy at Pandemonium here in Boston who asked me what army I was playing and asked to see my list. I handed it over, he took it to the other side of the room, and build his army list specifically to counter mine. He then gloated about beating me with his 100% tailored list.
2. A player who, every single time I rolled the dice, would shout something like "Don't mess up!" at me, even after I asked him to stop. When you're having a bad game, it can get REALLY frustrating to have someone chirping that at you over and over again. Most of my games against him were, in fact, bad games.
3. A player who, after I beat him with a fairly fluffy and balanced list, proceeded to start a passive/aggressive shitstorm over on our game group forums. The next week when we had a rematch, I called him out on it and he said it wasn't him, it was everyone else who was being passive/aggressive, and that I shouldn't be playing to win so much. Yep, it sure is WAAC of me when I charge with assault units.
Outside of these three, I've had almost universally positive experiences playing 40k. I've met a few folks at conventions in historical games who weren't fun to game with, but those are few and far between, and so far back I can't even remember.
First of all, the 1000 point wonder. Took a thousand points in a five hundred point game tournament. It was completely obvious it was over, I tallied it up, then informed the TO. He ended up having a yelling match with the TO and stormed out without his minis.
second guy. Kept switching IC's in the middle of a game (unpainted and unlabelled) wolf lords and wolf priests with no deviation.
Third guy, he started switching weapons in the middle of a 4th edition game, then could assault 2d6. Bull.
At the last local tournament there was a guy caught using "cheat dice" (two ones no sixes, or two sixes no ones). It was handled quietly at the time, but came up later on Facebook. His name was released and he was unapologetic about the situation.
Based on his reaction I'd never play him again. Showing no remorse after being caught cheating...
TFG with a WAACDoC list vs my wood elves... on a 4x4 table... not only was he TFG my army couldn't do anything since it wouldnt physically fit on the table (I didn't do 'herohammer' in 7th) which sucked. His cheesy list optimised to GW tables pwned me.
He was a good painted but not very nice and had an annoying method of rolling dice and some sort of laugh/whoop/giggle when he got the results he needed.
1) "The Narrator". The entire game he would announce loudly every time I missed a roll "AND you die" "Boom! you can't roll! They all just got smashed in the face" "NOW THAT was a terrible roll, all of your guys melt!".
Then every time I killed something of his "Lucky roll!" "NO!! I get cover from this small 1/8" bump on the gaming table"
I mean...comeon...I appreciate the enthusiasm, but I was really to jump over thre table at the guy. Dude asked me for a game the following week, and I told him "nope, it was zero fun playing with you"
2) "The Rules Lawyer who doesn't know the rules". Playing this dude and 2nd turned I looking into my codex for something. He gets all mad "you should know your rules bro", in a real condescening way. Only problem was that the game was 3 hours long because he spent the entire game with his nose in his own codex and the rule book either because he didn't know his army or wanted to argue everything that didn't go his way.
1) "The Narrator". The entire game he would announce loudly every time I missed a roll "AND you die" "Boom! you can't roll! They all just got smashed in the face" "NOW THAT was a terrible roll, all of your guys melt!".
I dont mind that guy, when he is funny, But they tend to no be
The only time commentary on dice rolls is ok is for something epic, like your Greater Tzeentch Daemon getting sucked into the warp from a miscast. Not when your skinks miss with blowpipes.
I'm not sure if this is a case of TFG or veteran player or what.
A guy, I'd have to say mid-30's, married and everythin', was a regular over at our LGS after he moved from Ohio. One night, after seeing that he actually had an army, by friend set up a game between his Draigowing and my 1250pt Vulkan List.
He won, fair and square, but I mean he was merciless for the new guy and he didn't really hold back on the new guys (my other two friends and I) when we played another game later.
When he found out that I gave my friend my Tau army, he let him borrow at least 1000 points worth of Battlesuits and other, mechanized stuff in the middle of our 1500pt game. I still won though, with a Terminator Sergeant, Techmarine, and Vulkan drawing everyone's fire and passing each possible save. It was amazing.
But I digress. He's a nice guy and a little cocky at times.
I don't know if this is a TFG in the works or it is just me.
Yup, he just got a new dex and while he was complaining how the ruined his book, he would roll his dice then say remove that unit and then complain how sorry his book is and then roll dice and say remove that unit. It was a really bad game and by turn 3 I conceded. He also has a bad habit of putting his dice in a big bag and reaching in it all the time. If he needs to roll high the dice where one color and low another color. Put your dice on the table or don't play.
I was playing a 1000 point game against Grey Knights. The guy I was playing is really nice and I love playing with him. He wants to try a full paladin squad and Libby, so his list dosent follow force org, but Im ok with that. Im playing tau, so I outnumber him by alot. Then this other guy tells me I tailored my list against him. Hes like, your gonna shoot him to death by the end of turn one. Dont tailor man." WITH TAU? NO, I THINK I HEARD YOU WRONG. IM TAILORING WITH TAU? ALL I CAN DO IS SHOOT! I also had that exact list saved in battlescribe mobile before the game. They game went fine after he left. His paladins survived till turn three.
Same day, same guy. He wants to play a 1500 point game. Im using my Tau again. After trying to explain GW buisness strategy to me, and getting really angry that I was basically saying theres no point in trying to understand something and complain about something that will never change. (what would you do if you owned a monopoly?) He set down his economics book (for some reason he carried it around probbly for this situation) and said, whatever lets play. So I set up first, followed by him. Only thing was, he already had his army on the table, he just moved his units where he wanted them, so I had no idea what was set up and what wasnt. He goes first. But he moves his deldar bikes twice in the same turn. I ask why did you move them twice? He imediatly makes a scene, calling me a liar and a cheater. I try saying that I was wondering if he had put them on the table at X posisiton, set them up in Y posisition, and moved them Z posistion. Or if he had accidentally moved twice.Thats all I wanted to ask. But he cuts me off, says F**k you and rage quits. After I waste my time in a pointless argument with him and set up all my units.
Automatically Appended Next Post: He also will not even consider playing 6th edition. Every time he sees my rulebook he says "Space Marine Edition!" in a very condencending tone. And even as I try to explain that Vanilla marines are not OP in any way, he cut me off with the same remark. He always tells me im tailoring a list, when I usually use what I have painted and the units I enjoy. He hasnt played one game in 6th yet, but he thinks he knows every new change, he thinks every new special rule belongs to marines, he constantly complains about AP3 power weapons (Ap3 makes sense to me) and harasses me for running 5 terminators with TH/SS in almost every game. (aparrantly they should be 60 points per model, for a one wound model...) Its my best assualt unit. Not only that, but they are my favorite unit. Im gonna take them most of the time. He bashes every marine player and every other army except for SW, IG, DE, and Eldar because he had once or still does play them. Whatever you tell him is wrong, outright, with no consideration of oposing views, and you are responded to with a arrogance that cant be matched by most people. And he gets angry enough that he shows it on his face. He really wants to like hit you or something. Its really sad.
Begel Dverl wrote:I'm not sure if this is a case of TFG or veteran player or what.
A guy, I'd have to say mid-30's, married and everythin', was a regular over at our LGS after he moved from Ohio. One night, after seeing that he actually had an army, by friend set up a game between his Draigowing and my 1250pt Vulkan List.
He won, fair and square, but I mean he was merciless for the new guy and he didn't really hold back on the new guys (my other two friends and I) when we played another game later.
When he found out that I gave my friend my Tau army, he let him borrow at least 1000 points worth of Battlesuits and other, mechanized stuff in the middle of our 1500pt game. I still won though, with a Terminator Sergeant, Techmarine, and Vulkan drawing everyone's fire and passing each possible save. It was amazing.
But I digress. He's a nice guy and a little cocky at times.
I don't know if this is a TFG in the works or it is just me.
Wouldnt say TFG status, if hes otherwise ok. Got a mate like that with videogames ad boardgames, if he can he WILL destroy you. But hes a lovely guy and hel at least show you the hard counters after, and give pointers
Begel Dverl wrote:I'm not sure if this is a case of TFG or veteran player or what.
A guy, I'd have to say mid-30's, married and everythin', was a regular over at our LGS after he moved from Ohio. One night, after seeing that he actually had an army, by friend set up a game between his Draigowing and my 1250pt Vulkan List.
He won, fair and square, but I mean he was merciless for the new guy and he didn't really hold back on the new guys (my other two friends and I) when we played another game later.
When he found out that I gave my friend my Tau army, he let him borrow at least 1000 points worth of Battlesuits and other, mechanized stuff in the middle of our 1500pt game. I still won though, with a Terminator Sergeant, Techmarine, and Vulkan drawing everyone's fire and passing each possible save. It was amazing.
But I digress. He's a nice guy and a little cocky at times.
I don't know if this is a TFG in the works or it is just me.
Honestly sounds like its just you. TFG is a lot worse than that unfortunately.
Only guy I would never play was the a guy who couldn't count points with a calculator. I can pretty much handle everything else but guys who show up with an extra 300 points just annoy me.
Why doesnt this crap ever happen to me?
I would love to meet one of those jackasses across the table, I´d smack him up so much he´d drop the hobby forever.
I don't think I could ever play against someone like this. I'd pack my models up and leave. They just sound generally unpleasant to be around, let alone play 40k with.
Its just irritating that people can be so narrow minded. What goes wrong in your head that you think people will want to play games with you when you act like a complete child?
Automatically Appended Next Post: I've never done anything to him, or said anything to him that was harsh or uncalled for. So why do I deserve that treatment?
Pyriel- wrote:Why doesnt this crap ever happen to me?
I would love to meet one of those jackasses across the table, I´d smack him up so much he´d drop the hobby forever.
I have found that the majority of TFGs don't realize they are TFGs. The ones that do like to troll. I tend to joke around and troll at the gaming table, but I like to think I know where to draw the line. To some people I may be TFG, to others, they adore playing me.
Midnightdeathblade wrote:Its just irritating that people can be so narrow minded. What goes wrong in your head that you think people will want to play games with you when you act like a complete child?
Automatically Appended Next Post: I've never done anything to him, or said anything to him that was harsh or uncalled for. So why do I deserve that treatment?
Some people have personal issues to the point where they lash out on others. Just put it out to be their own personal insecurities and problems and move on.
I played a guy just last night. His models looked like a kindergarten class went to work on them. He talked very loud like he wanted every one in the room to hear him. Every person that walked by we would brag about killing my hive tyrant, all game long. He rules lawyer me and was wrong ever time, (in his defense he looked up the rules and found them fast.)
Filthy Sanchez wrote:He brought the hardest list he could.
hotsauceman1 wrote: run the cheesiests lists ever.
Begel Dverl wrote:He won, fair and square, but I mean he was merciless for the new guy and he didn't really hold back on the new guys (my other two friends and I) when we played another game later.
Being good at the game or taking a good list does not make you TFG.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Midnightdeathblade wrote:A guy at our Flgs, who thankfully rarely shows anymore, was the extreme representation of arrogance. Any opinion (even facts) that rivalled his own thinking were out of the question. In a 2v2 game, he set up all his little tank trap things in a huge line that co*k blocked our armies (I played orks, my bro played nids) he also played burna heavy orks. SO he would force us to move through narrow gaps and he'd turbo boost his burnas in a truck and flame the f**k out of our blobs of troops. Meanwhile, his comrade (and best friend) blasted us with sub munitions from three hammer heads. It was my brothers first and last game. He left his orks in a tackle box for a long period of time at the store, and when he recovered them, they had been beaten up. They were obviously moved multiple times by the owner, but he reverted to blamming me since I was the youngest of our group. Pot-bellied, big-headed, arrogant, son'of'a bitch that one.
I think you missed "cheater" off your list at the end there.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Aerethan wrote:I've come across people who after talking to them I wouldn't likely play them. Generally they are people who think that the following things are not over the top or broken:
Teclis
2 hydra or HPA
deathstar builds of doom
I enjoy seeing lists or players that beat me, as it makes me think of how to improve.
You like players or lists that beat you but you'll decide not to play someone because they'll take lists that you think are too good?
First off i must say that i can be overtly competative with certain people. This leads me to make TFG moves when it comes to how much of a model is in cover etc. It is something i have been working on because i dont like being TFG. I only get this way with a few people, but still i always want to be the funnest opponent possible.
I have met people who tailored their list to beat mine, called dice and cheered when i did poorly, and did other less likable suff, however one fellow sticks in my mind.
I was at a tourni last year in LA. Dude sets up his army across from mine and begins to talk about how well painted they are, pointing out little details etc. The army looked like an 8 year old had painted it but i tried to humor him. He then tells me how he is going to win and he wont consider it a victory till he has tabled me. Then he begins to tell me how the sponsons of his tanks are not the hull of the vehicle so he willl move them and park them so that they are inside of buildings. Other rules lawyering and weird interpretations ensue. I have never met a more difficult person to game with. Final round of the game, the final die roll i fired a shot across the table to blow up a landraider and win the game. Time was up, we were off to lunch, yet he proceeds to try and say i should play into lunch, just one more round. HELL no.
I try not to be TFG but sometimes, things have gotten the best of me. What helps me most is to remember that i am playing with mandollies. I also make sound effects when i am loosing or feeling serious. It helps. reallly.
Once I was in a GW (I will not name as it is a nice store now) and I played my (when they just came out) TK against a Dwarf (he looked like he was a year younger than me) player as we were having a game , now he told me he knew the rules and seeming that he had a big (although it must be said unpainted) army, I believed him... Oh how I was so wrong as he didn't even how the movement phase went, so I had to teach the kid the basic rules (now this would have been fine, but it really would have been nice to know that he did not lie to me and say that he did know the rules when he didn't).
we were having the game (and it was pleasant he wasn't knocking me or being a bad sport) until 3 other lads came (they were older than us, were nice people but knew the rules well) over our table and even though we were playing right and they knew the rules and were helping us, but they were trying to help the Dwarf players tactics (and at this time I just started fantasy as well but I only knew the rules because I read the rule book) it was at this time that I felt penalised as the older lads were helping him with tactics (I also had a warsphinx but I didn't know how to exactly use it on the table tactically and my opponent had a cannon and he had help with tactics where to shoot it) he then won the game and the only thing I learned out of this was that warsphinxs take crumble tests (which even if its right they did not tell me anything on how to use the monster).
Then (now this was the really big point that got on my nerves) every time I tried talking to him or when he crossed me when I was in the store he would repeatedly boast about "How he beat such a noob" (the "noob" being me) I didn't complain or say anything as it is not like me to complain about a game (and since I only come into the store a few times but enough to be noticed I do not want to be known as a kid who moans when he come to the GW).
what really ticked me off was that he was calling me a noob, when he didn't even know how to place his models in rank and file...
needless to say I dont go to that GW too often and I will stay at games of war (my FLGS in Seaham) as it is just plain better.
1) The nice guy: He gives you free food (juice and crisps), he donates money to charity, in his spare time he builds orphanages. He lets you away with murder. Consequently, you feel bad about beating him, so you lose on purpose.
2) It's my store, so you'd better let me win. One guy I knew who owned a FLGS used to threaten to ban people who beat him, and would always make a move on the kids' mothers!! True story.
3) The golden demon painter. There was a guy who's army was so well painted, you spent two hours dazzled by the brilliance of his painting, and how bad your army was in comparison. While you're admiring his minis, he's winning!!
4) The speedster. He plays so fast, you're standing there scratching your head wondering what just happened.
And the one I hate the most. At tournaments, there is always somebody who finishes a game before you, and comes over to your table and does annoying things like crunching crisps when you're busy concentrating. Rant over.
rigeld2 wrote:At the last local tournament there was a guy caught using "cheat dice" (two ones no sixes, or two sixes no ones). It was handled quietly at the time, but came up later on Facebook. His name was released and he was unapologetic about the situation.
Based on his reaction I'd never play him again. Showing no remorse after being caught cheating...
Aerethan wrote:I've come across people who after talking to them I wouldn't likely play them. Generally they are people who think that the following things are not over the top or broken:
Teclis
2 hydra or HPA
deathstar builds of doom
I enjoy seeing lists or players that beat me, as it makes me think of how to improve.
You like players or lists that beat you but you'll decide not to play someone because they'll take lists that you think are too good?
I'm the same way. If you abuse the list making then your likely to abuse the rules as well. It makes it so much easier to get fun games rather than shitfest fights over rules. Granted my list of "no"s is different than his. (Teclis, fateweaver, thorek, and unpainted fotm armies. )
Nah, must be a different guy with the same idiosyncrasies in my local area. Who incidentally seems not to know the rules of his own army as it took me a good 15 minutes to explain to him how they nerfed Witchblades in this edition with him every step of the way clutching at straws as to why his Eldar can beat anything and everything thrown at them and how awesome Witchblades are.
Nah, must be a different guy with the same idiosyncrasies in my local area. Who incidentally seems not to know the rules of his own army as it took me a good 15 minutes to explain to him how they nerfed Witchblades in this edition with him every step of the way clutching at straws as to why his Eldar can beat anything and everything thrown at them and how awesome Witchblades are.
Actually thats worse, means our guys multiplying and spreading...
rigeld2 wrote:At the last local tournament there was a guy caught using "cheat dice" (two ones no sixes, or two sixes no ones). It was handled quietly at the time, but came up later on Facebook. His name was released and he was unapologetic about the situation.
Based on his reaction I'd never play him again. Showing no remorse after being caught cheating...
I must be lucky, I've... actually never really played against a TFG. I've played against a couple of kids who were pretty awful, but can kids really count as TFGs? I'm mostly remembering this one kid who must've been around 12 years old who owned one squad of Space Marines and one Rhino, so he would copy super-hard netlists and then proxy everything with a combination of store-owned models and soda cans. He was also a smug little bastard. I do not know if smugness is typical of twelve year olds. It also doesn't help that, in general, I really do not like kids, so I try to avoid playing against them when I can.
That's about it. I mean, I play Warmachine so I encounter people who take disgustingly powerful combos that I'm not familiar with, but that's not really a TFG move, that's... knowing your army (and your opponent's army) really well. And it's not even that they tailor their list, it's just that they know what my army can do to their army and what their army can do to mine, and I happen to know less about their army (especially Retribution of Scyrah, Mercs, and pretty much all the Hordes factions. I just don't know them very well off the top of my head).
Begel Dverl wrote:I'm not sure if this is a case of TFG or veteran player or what.
A guy, I'd have to say mid-30's, married and everythin', was a regular over at our LGS after he moved from Ohio. One night, after seeing that he actually had an army, by friend set up a game between his Draigowing and my 1250pt Vulkan List.
He won, fair and square, but I mean he was merciless for the new guy and he didn't really hold back on the new guys (my other two friends and I) when we played another game later.
When he found out that I gave my friend my Tau army, he let him borrow at least 1000 points worth of Battlesuits and other, mechanized stuff in the middle of our 1500pt game. I still won though, with a Terminator Sergeant, Techmarine, and Vulkan drawing everyone's fire and passing each possible save. It was amazing.
But I digress. He's a nice guy and a little cocky at times.
I don't know if this is a TFG in the works or it is just me.
Honestly did he know you were new guys? Otherwise I would say he is not a TFG, hell he sounds like TFM (The F*****g man). Loaning out a few hundred $$ worth of minis to someone the guy didnt know well sounds look a cool deed. Playing to win is not that uncommon, especially if he wants to collect several armies but wants to keep his warhammer budget down.
Filthy Sanchez wrote:He brought the hardest list he could.
hotsauceman1 wrote: run the cheesiests lists ever.
Begel Dverl wrote:He won, fair and square, but I mean he was merciless for the new guy and he didn't really hold back on the new guys (my other two friends and I) when we played another game later.
Being good at the game or taking a good list does not make you TFG.
Oh i have met people that have great lists and stomp me into the ground regularly(although each time i get closer to beating them)
Its coupled with the fact of how they act and how they play that makes them TFG Like the guy i mentioned. My Legionaires here coming in. He straight up said he hopes i scatter of the board and the enitre game he said "I need a win to feel better about this day"
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Has anybody ever encountered the following?
1) The nice guy: He gives you free food (juice and crisps), he donates money to charity, in his spare time he builds orphanages. He lets you away with murder. Consequently, you feel bad about beating him, so you lose on purpose.
.
Yes actually. He bought food for everyone at Warmahordes day.
I once had a game against TFG when I first started 40k. I had no idea of the rules at that point, as the lil' bitch wouldn't let me even glance through his rulebook. He had let me borrow the ork half of the Black Reach set for this game, to promptly Deep Strike the Dreadnought on top of my squad of Ork Boys, killing them all (he had also bought a DropPod & a Battlewagon). He then used the TL Lascannon to kill my Warboss and then assaulted the squad of Nobs with the PF on the Dread. The only things I had left were the three Deffkoptas & my Battlewagon. (I one-shotted the Dread with the BW's gun, I had no idea what it was, he said it was S10 in the previous game where I was the SM, I rolled three sixes in a row; to hit, to pen, damage). The Deffkoptas just harrassed the Termies as best they could before being Dakka'd out of the sky by the Tac squad.
Looking back, I realise that i was cheated out of this world. Assaulting after Deep Strike, assaulting after firing a heavy weapon, assaulting a different target from what he just shot, and thats just the Dreadnought.
I suppose I must be lucky, since I have not (yet) played against a TFG. There could be that player (a good guy actually) who just has a bunch of Space Marines, all painted black and calling them his "Grey Knights/Dark Angels/Black Templars/Blood Angels". I mean, I'm ok with proxying but, come on, buy a couple of miniatures too. It's not that I wouldn't play him, it is just that it has just gotten a bit tiresome seeing just some black minis with gleaming silver guns and a white shoulderpad.
But certainly nothing like some of the stories some of you have had thank Gork.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Has anybody ever encountered the following?
1) The nice guy: He gives you free food (juice and crisps), he donates money to charity, in his spare time he builds orphanages. He lets you away with murder. Consequently, you feel bad about beating him, so you lose on purpose.
>_>
<_<
*awkwardly raised hand*
...yeah so, I've been this guy. Still am to some degree- maybe not to the point you're talking about but I'll buy folks food between games or offer to help out with cleanup, and I typically like to make small talk between games to see how people are doing outside of the hobby. I definitely am not friendly to people just so I can win, but I just don't have the whole 'power gamer' mentality and unfortunately that seems to rankle some of my opponents. Actually had the store owner where I used to play come over and chew me out, since he didn't feel like I was actually trying to win against a friend of mine. I never played in that store again (and consequently, haven't picked up anything Warhammer related until this past month.)
I have met TFG once or twice though. Had one guy stand there going on and on about how superior his army was to all others, would stand over you with the rulebook while you were working on a list in the store or painting a new purchase and tell you all the myriad ways he could destroy your new toy or why your list simply wouldn't beat his.
The other was an army I actually beat... the guy got so annoyed about the whole thing, started telling me that I couldn't use my army anyway since 'the whole thing was proxy.' Considering I converted my Grail Knights, rather than shelling out for all of the official GW models, I guess maybe that's true. But I like to think that even if I'd emptied my bank account the outcome of the game was due to my ability with the units, rather than the fact they were KOTR with Green Stuff helms/apparel and a special paintjob, instead of the official GW bunch. The TO had said he had no issue with the army going into it, and the guy had said he was fine with it pre-game... so apparently he was only fine with it up until the point he started losing to it? I dunno. Just really marred my first tournament experience though.
On the other hand, my very first game I got slaughtered so bad and got so fed up that I just sighed before the game was done and shoved all my stuff in a box to go home without a handshake or anything- so I guess karma evened out. Maybe we're all TFG at one time or another... it's just that some folks have the good fortune to realize how they're acting and change the behavior.
The only guy I'm not a fan of my at my flgs. Does the whole my outdated army is the best routine. And honestly normally I dig that underdog mentality. But he takes it to the extreme like the eldar player earlier in the thread.
1. 16-18yr old kid played with a pile of junk claiming they all had specific weapons then the weapons would change mid game. He's been playing a while and knows his book he just flat out cheats.
2. A guy at last years Ard Boyz showed up with a half built GK army non wysiwyg, his opponent did full realize til mid way through the first match since things were reserved. The TO allowed him to play in the tournament simply because we would've had an odd number of people. He also ended up winning.
3. A buddy of mine, great guy, just doesn't keep up with the FAQs or fully read his codex. Then when kindly let him know about these rules he becomes furious, he has tossed his stormraven even his entire army at walls smashing them to bits.
I may have been that guy some times. I won't lie I will some times ask what army the other guy will be playing but only in the general sense. If I know your playing nids im not going to take a ton of melta because the game will be one sided and that's no fun for me. Im also not going to spam the exact right unit to beat your army. Im going to try to make a mix that will give me a chance to win without taking it so far that the game can be decided by the end of turn 2. Oh and for me TFG is a kid that can never remember his armies rules and has beaten me several times by having his stuff do things it couldn't. I know know more about Grey knights and dark eldar then I need to because of double checking his rules.
The Magician - Rolls dice to hit, oscures with hands while counting hits, and then picks up "hits" and rolls for damage, declares wounds, and then picks up dice, all without you ever seeing the results.
The Astropath - Watches you play game, and challenges you to game after you finish. Then shows up with army specifically tailored to defeat yours.
The takes it too far guy, who makes hard choices in his life relative to what his army's general pskye would conclude. (Home ownership, work, money) Its like, really dude? No, just no....
There's this one guy at my local store, I played him at Warmahordes with my Everblight list. I beat him, and he starts to complain how "warbeasts are overpowered" because they can take so many attacks in a round. I tried to explain that they're more expensive, have lower def/arm, and once warbeasts are dead your 'lock is basically useless on his/her own, but he wouldn't have it.
There's this other guy who plays MTG, who regularly decides that it's his duty do declare that a card should be "banned" because it is OP. He's also told several guys they shouldn't play their decks because they're unfair.
Forgive me for not getting this mindset at all.
IF IT BEATS ME IT IS OP, RARRRRRRR!!!111!!!eleven!!!
I got one guy I'd never play against, meet him at a 5th ed tourney. Guy played old crons and was losing every game, he complained and moaned and everyone hated him and everyone was warning me not to play him. Well lucky me last round I play him and did not want to. I asked the manager if I can just back out and give him the auto win, since I wasn't going to place and either was he since he was in last place. The manager replied "If you beat the dog gakk out of him, all buy you a box of warriors" so challenge accepted. Took out my fluffy Flesh Tearers and his complaints start rolling in, then throughout the game rules layering and complaining some more and cheating. So I fired back with insults and stuff and phased him out in an objective game. Got my box, told him he was a terrible person, and laughed.
Another variant of TFG that we should all hate that I just ran in to last night when I went to start reeducating myself as a general and not just a painter/modeler/collector.
Mr. Grabby Hands - Not only picking up a model without permission but usually it's your unique/rare/expensive model (in this case my $15 Raging Heroes model that I use for a counts as female commissar that sports a $20 paint job courtesy of a friend of mine who is definitely an artist in our hobby and has the awards to prove it) and when Mr. Grabby picks it up he picks it up by the blood model instead of the base.
This particular player was a weird combo of TFG and the good version because while he was grabby, made some weird joke, etc he did help me and the other two newbies I was working with churn through the rule book and get back to where we could play properly. Course when he wasn't being useful he was asking if I'd trade any of my Guard for Tau or trash talking my SoB. I get it, you don't like the Sisters, obviously I do, so can it.
Some people are flat out socially slowed. Or take a hobby/game too seriously. Unfortunately, it comes with the territory. Its the reason why I dont get out to play that often.
There is one guy at my local shop who is the High And Mighty type. Just brags and brags about his stuff, but as soon and you mention yours he just snorts and ignores you. He walked by a game my friend and I were playing, and made a crack at some of his custom models. "Im not gonna ask". My friend said something polite, and the guy replies "Im not asking because I dont want to know" and walks off. I have a strong suspicion I will threaten him with physical harm one day.
I played one guy back in 4th Ed 40k who moved the terrain around before the game to better suit his shooty army (my army was CC based). His army was all in cover & I had to cross about 8-10" of open terrain to get to him from the nearest cover and there were long shooting lanes where he could see across the entire board. I was quite young and new to the game at the time (he wasn't) so didn't question the set up.
About a year ago I played a guy who had 3 HQs in his SM list. I didn't notice until half way through the game. Also, he dropped a drop pod behind my lines which scattered off the table and he tried to argue that it would land 1" away from the edge and not mishap.
Stoupe wrote:If you abuse the list making then your likely to abuse the rules as well.
When, exactly, does taking a legal list become abusing the list?
Automatically Appended Next Post:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote: run the cheesiests lists ever.
Oh i have met people that have great lists and stomp me into the ground regularly(although each time i get closer to beating them)
Its coupled with the fact of how they act and how they play that makes them TFG
The very fact that you describe an army list as "cheesy" suggests tha you have some sort of problem with people taking good lists.
hotsauceman1 wrote: run the cheesiests lists ever.
Oh i have met people that have great lists and stomp me into the ground regularly(although each time i get closer to beating them)
Its coupled with the fact of how they act and how they play that makes them TFG
The very fact that you describe an army list as "cheesy" suggests tha you have some sort of problem with people taking good lists.
Maybe because in his local area the guys who tend to run those lists double as some kind of all star tosser team? Anything is possible, you'd have to admit that running into a few guys who run lists with whatever hotsauce said was cheesy who double as TFG would sour you to those lists, and lead to you labelling them in negative ways? Its perfectly understandable. Even more so if there are no nice guys in the area running similar lists to 'redeem' them, then all of your experiences against those lists would just flat out suck, which would really help associate those lists with all sorts of negative what-nots.
I've had a few incidents myself mostly rules lawyers who are wrong lol but the worst thing I hate are people who are A) Sore losers and B) Whine
Seriously I've had people look like there about to cry when they lose and start complaining and raising hell when someone asks if I won. I myself try to not be TFG I'm usually nice 99% of the time and rarely pull dick moves though we all have and I regret them all looking back :( but some people man. When you spend 2 hours playing a game to win and you finally do you should be able to be happy and brag a little I'm not saying throw a fething party but if you joke around there is nothing wrong with that.
I also hate people who make lists play you then complain all game about there list (whether this is a new army/list/unit) please STFU your opponent is putting in a ton of time investment in playing this game if you are losing congratulate him have fun with it if you know its not your fault. If I spend 2 hours playing a game and at the end of it I feel like I wasted my time to the point it was neither competitive or fun then you are again WASTING MY TIME.
EDIT-
I also can't stand people who call lists cheesy constantly or WAAC serious as long as its legal who cares (unless its space wolves then screw them) If I seriously played powderpuff crap lists all day I'd blow my brains out with a bolter.
Aerethan wrote:The only time commentary on dice rolls is ok is for something epic, like your Greater Tzeentch Daemon getting sucked into the warp from a miscast. Not when your skinks miss with blowpipes.
"KABLOOEY!!!! my terminators have arrived from reserve!"
I also can't stand people who call lists cheesy constantly or WAAC serious as long as its legal who cares (unless its space wolves then screw them) If I seriously played powderpuff crap lists all day I'd blow my brains out with a bolter.
As people have said, if youv invested time and money into your hobby, your allowed to want to win, and feel good when you do. But theres a difference between a little cheer to yourself, congratulating your opononent/shaking hand, and general good sportsmanship vs say, being a total donkey cave. The one i cant stand is the guy who beats you once, and then for ever on sneers at the person they beat and act all "lol your beneath me because i radomly rolled a 6 at the right time once". THAT pisses me off more than anything. Il congratulate you if you win, offer some advice on kicking my backside if you lose, but seriously, dont drag it out. Its like whats the saying, "after the rugby match is over, there is no sides, just sportsmanship"
doc1234 wrote:As people have said, if youv invested time and money into your hobby, your allowed to want to win, and feel good when you do. But theres a difference between a little cheer to yourself, congratulating your opononent/shaking hand, and general good sportsmanship vs say, being a total donkey cave. The one i cant stand is the guy who beats you once, and then for ever on sneers at the person they beat and act all "lol your beneath me because i radomly rolled a 6 at the right time once". THAT pisses me off more than anything. Il congratulate you if you win, offer some advice on kicking my backside if you lose, but seriously, dont drag it out. Its like whats the saying, "after the rugby match is over, there is no sides, just sportsmanship"
+1 lol Its even worse if they will never play you again. Beat you once I don't need to do it again!
Adam LongWalker wrote:
I also can't stand people who call lists cheesy constantly or WAAC serious as long as its legal who cares (unless its space wolves then screw them) If I seriously played powderpuff crap lists all day I'd blow my brains out with a bolter.
Ahh you are one of thooooose guys.
Makes perfect sense why the game is dying now.
Seems to be doing better than ever actually even in spite of GWs best attempts. Your condensing remarks are unnecessary man if you want to QQ all day and never play any tough lists play with friends only and join a flag football league those are fun too!!! lul
Oh, and that guy who'll do anything he can to detract from your win.
"your rolls were ridiculous", "my rolls were terrible", "this list is crap in the new edition/its an old codex", "my list was never gonna win from the outset".
I also can't stand people who call lists cheesy constantly or WAAC serious as long as its legal who cares (unless its space wolves then screw them) If I seriously played powderpuff crap lists all day I'd blow my brains out with a bolter.
It's one of the reasons I no longer play 40k (the others being the game now bores me after 25 years, and my army has to keep getting larger in order to play games of the same points size and that one of my armies is in dire need of an update.).
WaaaaghLord wrote:There's this other guy who plays MTG, who regularly decides that it's his duty do declare that a card should be "banned" because it is OP. He's also told several guys they shouldn't play their decks because they're unfair.
I did a MtG draft and this one big head was boring everyone at the table by loudly saying how well he'd done from it and how he was bound to win because he had all the over powered cards and that his combos were ridiculous, etc etc. I was drawn against him in the first round and beat him. Halfway though the game he laughed rather self consciously saying loudly "perhaps I spoke too soon", but it sounded more like clumsy back peddling than trying to have a laugh. When he lost he told me that my deck was 'super good' and that it would undoubtedly be the toughest game he'd play all day. I think he was definitely trying to convince himself of this more than me. I knew my deck was crap, I don't usually draft very well.
1. Guy at my FLGS (before it moved) who played tau and kept insisting that his skimmers were high enough to shoot at your vehicles so that they don't get cover, but low enough so that they get cover.
2. Another guy at my FLGS who will keep telling you (in fantasy team battles) where you should be sending your guys (over to save him). He also kinda rubs it in your face if he wins (if you lose, he'll probably tell you that you fell right into that one).
super annoying dude who feilded 90pts over the points limit by not showing me the correct list, and then spent half an hour argueing that he own when it was a draw (he claimed that he won because i only had my sergent left of a tactical squad, he claimed a kill point!!) he then started telling pepole he won!!!!
WaaaaghLord wrote:There's this other guy who plays MTG, who regularly decides that it's his duty do declare that a card should be "banned" because it is OP. He's also told several guys they shouldn't play their decks because they're unfair.
I did a MtG draft and this one big head was boring everyone at the table by loudly saying how well he'd done from it and how he was bound to win because he had all the over powered cards and that his combos were ridiculous, etc etc. I was drawn against him in the first round and beat him. Halfway though the game he laughed rather self consciously saying loudly "perhaps I spoke too soon", but it sounded more like clumsy back peddling than trying to have a laugh. When he lost he told me that my deck was 'super good' and that it would undoubtedly be the toughest game he'd play all day. I think he was definitely trying to convince himself of this more than me. I knew my deck was crap, I don't usually draft very well.
Yea but at least you did win. And he made a comment in a positive way that he knew.
I have not played magic since 95. I go to my LFGS to paint and buy product. Maybe a game of 40K if I am feeling well.
2 months ago at my LFGS I seen one person get so overheated on a game that he turned over the table he was playing and stormed out of the store.
The man was at least +30 plus in age. His opponent was close to that age as well.
I've never seen anyone flip a table, but I'd pay good money to see it (and catch a video of it on my phone)... as long as my models weren't on the table... LOL.
I must be incredibly lucky or easy going because I have been a part of 3 different FLGS in 3 different states as well as travelling to tournaments all around the west and NEVER come across anyone who I would not play again. I have always been able to understand and get along with people though, and I don't care if I lose a toy soldier game so even if I do run into the TFG rules lawyer he doesn't get me down... take your win, just be sure to vote me favorite opponent for putting up with your attitude...
One of the things that helps me maintain that attitude is that if you are being a pain in my ass during a game, most likely karma will bite you and I'll get you anyway...
The people who have been getting on my nerves the most lately have been those that continuously nay say about 6th, and how terrible it is. then ask if you want to play a game....
FETH NO im not going to play you, because i know all you will do is whine about every thing thing that happens and how it is worse than the last edition
I took a break because almost every single player had one or more of the following behaviors:
1. Looked down on other players not taking the time to paint, but couldn't be troubled to learn the rules
2. Complained about the rules, then suggested house rules that gave their own army advantages
3. Every rule or terrain interpretation was to their advantage
4. Whined about everyone else's army being broken
5. Complained if the other person used strategy or tactics
6. Complained if anyone won because 'it was just a game'
7. Whined about dice rolls because they didn't understand basic math: "My saves were terrible, I failed 1/3 of my SM armor saves!"
8. Moved units far enough that they covered more distance over a couple turns than was required to be between armies from the scenario when deployed farther than that distance (e.g. two 6" moves and a 6" charge covering a 21" gap between the armies)
Not a single one blatantly cheated, but in any situation where there was a borderline judgement call on distance/cover/etc. they always insisted on the one that was to their advantage strongly as if the other person was trying to cheat them (it was more noticeable when watching two other people play).
While it may sound like it was just a difference of opinion, it was not as I generally let the other person have their way even if I disagreed because nit picking wasn't going to turn the tide of the game. I was just disappointed that they were such poor sports, and it was obvious why they never improved their strategy or tactics when they blamed everything on the game, the armies, or the other player and thought anyone that planned ahead was unsporting.
I'm hoping the pool of players has changed, but the scene could be dead as well.
liquidjoshi wrote:Guy took over 300 extra points in a game. Didn't find out until after. Not seen him at club for a long time...
I've had worse than that...
When I was really new to Warhammer 40k I had a 1500 point game against two grey knight players (they had 750 points each supposedly). After the first turn I realised that there really were a lot of Grey Knights on the board. I asked to see their army lists but they didn't have them so I asked to calculate their lists for them. They said 'sure' so I worked out their armies points costs. They were both at least 300 points overpointed each. According to them they thought that adding extra models to the squad it was 18 points for an extra 5 Grey Knights rather than 18 points per Grey Knight...
I managed to make it a draw by holding on to an objective to my surprise. They then proceeded to tell me how I got lucky and that they should have won which is probably true but not very sporting.
It was only a friendly game though so I'm not that worried about it. And I suppose everyone's got to learn at some point.
Joking, that must have sucked. Well done for taking the draw though, I got utterly thrashed sadly. It was looking good until those 300 points showed up as reserves.
liquidjoshi wrote:Always someone with a worse story...
Joking, that must have sucked. Well done for taking the draw though, I got utterly thrashed sadly. It was looking good until those 300 points showed up as reserves.
Sorry about that.
I guess it must be pretty depressing to be beaten by someone who's taken an unfair advantage that you only find out about afterwards...
liquidjoshi wrote:Guy took over 300 extra points in a game. Didn't find out until after. Not seen him at club for a long time...
I've had worse than that...
When I was really new to Warhammer 40k I had a 1500 point game against two grey knight players (they had 750 points each supposedly). After the first turn I realised that there really were a lot of Grey Knights on the board. I asked to see their army lists but they didn't have them so I asked to calculate their lists for them. They said 'sure' so I worked out their armies points costs. They were both at least 300 points overpointed each. According to them they thought that adding extra models to the squad it was 18 points for an extra 5 Grey Knights rather than 18 points per Grey Knight...
I managed to make it a draw by holding on to an objective to my surprise. They then proceeded to tell me how I got lucky and that they should have won which is probably true but not very sporting.
It was only a friendly game though so I'm not that worried about it. And I suppose everyone's got to learn at some point.
I had a game that was mostly my fault I forgot to change my list for a game with someone else and he assumed we were playing the normal point size at our store 2500 in fantasy and I played a 1850 list and he ate me alive lol. I facepalmed so hard.
liquidjoshi wrote:I was angry more than anything. At him for feeling the need to cheat, and at myself for not noticing. Still, at least your game turned out better.
I'm still surprised I managed to scrape a draw though =P
CajunMan550 wrote:
Evilledz wrote:
liquidjoshi wrote:Guy took over 300 extra points in a game. Didn't find out until after. Not seen him at club for a long time...
I've had worse than that...
When I was really new to Warhammer 40k I had a 1500 point game against two grey knight players (they had 750 points each supposedly). After the first turn I realised that there really were a lot of Grey Knights on the board. I asked to see their army lists but they didn't have them so I asked to calculate their lists for them. They said 'sure' so I worked out their armies points costs. They were both at least 300 points overpointed each. According to them they thought that adding extra models to the squad it was 18 points for an extra 5 Grey Knights rather than 18 points per Grey Knight...
I managed to make it a draw by holding on to an objective to my surprise. They then proceeded to tell me how I got lucky and that they should have won which is probably true but not very sporting.
It was only a friendly game though so I'm not that worried about it. And I suppose everyone's got to learn at some point.
I had a game that was mostly my fault I forgot to change my list for a game with someone else and he assumed we were playing the normal point size at our store 2500 in fantasy and I played a 1850 list and he ate me alive lol. I facepalmed so hard.
The worst guy I ever met at a game store was when I played in HackMaster tournaments (a roleplaying game similar AD&D).
This particular guy would wonder from table to table, always with one hand in his front pocket and ask people if they had any painted female characters and then stare at them for a long time...
Played a game of WHFB recently that was 1k doubles. From the get go, one of the opposing guys was a bit off. Nothing big, just mildly stroppy about showing us rules in his army book when we queried them or we corrected him using the rulebook. We won by about 100 or so points.
After he left in a moderate huff, we discovered (using a store book) that the one of the other guys was about 300 points over the limit, and that roughly 60% of his army was lord choices.
Stoupe wrote:If you abuse the list making then your likely to abuse the rules as well.
When, exactly, does taking a legal list become abusing the list?
When you take things that are commonly banned from GTs. Maybe the fantasy tourney play over on that side of the pond is different, but here teclis, fateweaver, and thorek are commonly banned.
I wanna play a game of who is the better general, not games of who is the better list maker.
Well I've seen mention of opponents taking to many pts over, and I am sorry to say, I have done it once before, but on accident.
A guy came into the flgs that i play at every week. We started talking, while watching over some 40k games. I asked him if he wanted to play once one of the tables opened up. So we discussed pt values, he had guard and Blood Angels. we talked about 2000 pts (his guard list was 2000) but he decided to play his Blood Angels. Miscommunication, he only had 1500 pts of Blood Angels, and I had my Deathwing list out to 2000. Turn three I was absolutely killing him. I asked why it seamed such an uneven battle and we discovered the mistake. I felt like crap for accidentally taking 500 pts extra.
To make up for it, I told him to bring in two units in reserves sorta like reinforcements. That extra addage helped (all lascannons pred and assault marines) , but he still lost. I apoligized for the mistake, he said it was allright.
I feel bad about it, but I'm glad he was a nice guy and not a sore loser.
Since then I've seen him once or twice, and we just laugh about our miscommunication on pts cost.
I've found out that our TFG, a Guard player, doesn't like it when his opponents joke around and you know, treat the game, like a fething game instead of a very serious, solemn event.
He also has a habit of butting into your turn and pretending that you're already done.
The 40k community in my local area is pretty good, everyone I've met so far has been friendly, fun and just there for a good game. My experiences in various magic communites, on the other hand, are filled with so many TFGs it's hillarious.
There's one TFG from a group I was with in charlotte who was only in the group because we pittied him. But that didn't change the fact that he was the creepiest guy I've ran into yet with his odd obscessions and just general social ineptness.
When I moved to Albuquerque, this is where the most interesting mix of bros and TFGs reside. The atmosphere here is so competetive that within my first few months I had seen multiple over-the-top ragequits that involved throwing decks against the wall and threats of physical violence (no tableflips, unfortunately). I once watched someone argue with my friend about the placement of cards on my friend's side of the table and get so angry about it that he ended up being kicked out of the store.
I did have one recently that lucksacked his way into two wins in two weeks against me (I had bad draws and he had godly draws) and on the third week of us getting paired, I wiped the floor with him and he started complaining endlessly about how he has the worst luck in the world and how how he never wins because of it yet I know it's just the opposite, after watching him he's lucky as hell he just doesn't know how to play the game well.
Got a guy who likes to say "So, is that it? My turn?" so often that just the other day he said it twice before I was even done using psychic powers that go off at the beginning of my turn.
He is a veteran of 40k and has played many years.
That's not the frustrating part. The brutal part that makes it worse is that with all the Vendettas and Aegis line infantry and tanks and hydras, he could actually just go to the bathroom and I could play his army for him.
Bet I could table myself in two turns, but he drags it out for all of them. He neglected to fire certain units just to keep the game going longer.
Then, he still does the "So, that's it? On to my turn then?"
It was nothing other than an exercise in putting miniatures away. I packed up early when he ended up actually going to the restroom.
A couple years ago at Ard Boyz, there was one of these guys. He built his BT army all wrong with too many terminators and not enough chainsword troops. He kept yelling how much he hated this game and offering to sell his Templars. His buddy kept looking around and nervously laughing. Then in a big assault, he just dumped his models in a big pile and said "this is happening."
timetowaste85 wrote: I fielded Slaanesh Princes, Nurgle Princes, Flamers, Plaguebearers, Seekers and KoS's. Meta-game said Tzeralds on discs, Tzeentch Princes, Horrors and Fiends.
Just wondering but where did this meta come from? Last I looked 5th edition 40k meta Daemons was one list; Kairos, Thirster, Crushers, Plaguebearers, Seekers. The lists you played were closer to the actual meta than you think. Still, I get your point.
On our own guy, I've played a guy who would say items did completely different things than they actually did (he was playing so slow that I was just trying to get the game going and only checked the AB after the game) only to find out the items that he was playing up weren't even in his list to begin with A mate of mine played him once also and after my mate had moved his GUO out of the charge arc of a HKB Bret Lord, he went to the bathroom, and when he came back the Bret Lord has been turned a full 90 to face the GUO. This guy also told a new player to the game that the 6 turns of the game were his turn 1 then the opp's turn 2 and so on, just to shorten the game as the match-up was bad.
Ultrafool wrote:I got one guy I'd never play against, meet him at a 5th ed tourney. Guy played old crons and was losing every game, he complained and moaned and everyone hated him and everyone was warning me not to play him. Well lucky me last round I play him and was did not want to. I asked the manager if I can just back out and give him the auto win, since I wasn't going to place and either was he since he was in last place. The manager replied "If you beat the dog gakk out of him, all buy you a box of warriors" so challenge accepted. Took out my fluffy Flesh Tearers and his complaints start rolling in, then throughout the game rules layering and complaining some more and cheating. So I fired back with insults and stuff and phased him out in an objective game. Got my box, told him he was a terrible person, and laughed.
Ultrafool wrote:I got one guy I'd never play against, meet him at a 5th ed tourney. Guy played old crons and was losing every game, he complained and moaned and everyone hated him and everyone was warning me not to play him. Well lucky me last round I play him and was did not want to. I asked the manager if I can just back out and give him the auto win, since I wasn't going to place and either was he since he was in last place. The manager replied "If you beat the dog gakk out of him, all buy you a box of warriors" so challenge accepted. Took out my fluffy Flesh Tearers and his complaints start rolling in, then throughout the game rules layering and complaining some more and cheating. So I fired back with insults and stuff and phased him out in an objective game. Got my box, told him he was a terrible person, and laughed.
kronk wrote:The worst guy I ever met at a game store was when I played in HackMaster tournaments (a roleplaying game similar AD&D).
This particular guy would wonder from table to table, always with one hand in his front pocket and ask people if they had any painted female characters and then stare at them for a long time...
SoloFalcon1138 wrote:A couple years ago at Ard Boyz, there was one of these guys. He built his BT army all wrong with too many terminators and not enough chainsword troops. He kept yelling how much he hated this game and offering to sell his Templars. His buddy kept looking around and nervously laughing. Then in a big assault, he just dumped his models in a big pile and said "this is happening."
That... fething hell, how hard is it to act like bleeding adults? Any one? Please?
That should be part of the waiver/agreement for any tournament or large match.
"I agree that I will not act like a poorly disciplined five year old, or be immediately banned from the match and all future competitions for a period of no less then a year in hopes that I manage to grow up in said time."
kronk wrote:The worst guy I ever met at a game store was when I played in HackMaster tournaments (a roleplaying game similar AD&D).
This particular guy would wonder from table to table, always with one hand in his front pocket and ask people if they had any painted female characters and then stare at them for a long time...
SoloFalcon1138 wrote:A couple years ago at Ard Boyz, there was one of these guys. He built his BT army all wrong with too many terminators and not enough chainsword troops. He kept yelling how much he hated this game and offering to sell his Templars. His buddy kept looking around and nervously laughing. Then in a big assault, he just dumped his models in a big pile and said "this is happening."
Stoupe wrote:
When you take things that are commonly banned from GTs. Maybe the fantasy tourney play over on that side of the pond is different, but here teclis, fateweaver, and thorek are commonly banned.
I wanna play a game of who is the better general, not games of who is the better list maker.
If there are things in a game system that needs to be banned to stop people from making unfair lists to gain an advantage, I'd say the problem lies with the game system not with the players in question. Sure they might very well be douchebags, but just because they try to maximize their chances? I'd blame the game in this case.
Stoupe wrote:
When you take things that are commonly banned from GTs. Maybe the fantasy tourney play over on that side of the pond is different, but here teclis, fateweaver, and thorek are commonly banned.
I wanna play a game of who is the better general, not games of who is the better list maker.
If there are things in a game system that needs to be banned to stop people from making unfair lists to gain an advantage, I'd say the problem lies with the game system not with the players in question. Sure they might very well be douchebags, but just because they try to maximize their chances? I'd blame the game in this case.
These characters were more even in previous editions. It's an effect of old books being broken not new rules. When it is socially understood that these characters are overpowered and not fun to play against in the communit and you continue to bring them in "fun" games, your a douchebag. There are two exceptions to this. A new player (first 6 months of experience) as they likely don't know the social atmosphere of game yet and how to optimize his usage tactically yet, and a themed list, in which case I expect you to tell me which part of the lore your based off of, when and where in the games history the army was fielded and what personal qualities you found in the character to be appealing to me.
Taking thorek, teclis or fateweaver in a for fun game randomly? Your a douchebag I won't play. Play Armies designed for GTs as a fun game without letting me know first? I won't play you.
I have 2 lists designed at all times. A hard gt list and an easier list for friendly games. Just like everything else there is a time and place for every list. If you think your GT list is appropriate for all times and places your a douche. If you think that teclis, fateweaver, and thorek are acceptable at all times, your a douche.
Maybe it's just cause I'm a fantasy player and not a 40k player, but banning things from play is far more acceptable to me.
I still think the fault lies in the game for creating these situations in the first place by having these "old books" at all.
I agree that someone that plays only to win might be annoying but simply taking things that are unbalanced doesn't make them TFG.
Stoupe wrote:Taking thorek, teclis or fateweaver in a for fun game randomly? Your a douchebag I won't play. Play Armies designed for GTs as a fun game without letting me know first? I won't play you.
I have 2 lists designed at all times. A hard gt list and an easier list for friendly games. Just like everything else there is a time and place for every list. If you think your GT list is appropriate for all times and places your a douche. If you think that teclis, fateweaver, and thorek are acceptable at all times, your a douche.
Maybe it's just cause I'm a fantasy player and not a 40k player, but banning things from play is far more acceptable to me.
I only play 40k and don't get in a lot of games due to family. Every list I play is the same kind of list I would bring to a competitive event. Guess we won't get any games in.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Edit: Oh and I'm a douche, apparently.
Sadly we have had quite a few TFGs at our FLGS. My least favorite are:
1. "jug-head" this guy is a poor excuse for a marine and a poor excuse for a human, he runs cheesy lists, is shady on points, never paints his army, buys the greasiest, nastiest food available and scarfs it on the table you are trying to have a game on, all while spouting commentary like a five year old playing with action figures. Every regular flat out refuses to play him.
2. "touchy-feely guy" this individual is the stereotypical guy who sidles up to the table and promptly proceeds to pick up one of your figures with his greasy mitts so he can get a better look at the paint job. He never asks politely to view them, and even worse he will pick models up from an active game. Many of the regulars have blown up on this guy and we have't seen him for a while.
3. "Tau Guy" haven't seen this guy for a while, but he was one of the least enjoyable people I've encountered at our FLGS, not because of any hygiene issues or cheesy lists, but because of his sheer abrasive personality. All he ever does is walk around with his creepy silent little asian GF and comment on one of two things; A) How bad you are at the game and how his Tau (which I've never even seen) would smash your army, or B) How bad the paint job on your minis is compared to his (never seen) Tau. Myself and another member of this forum, Laughing God, almost came to blows with this ass-hat out in the parking lot. We are both rather slow to anger individuals, and I have never come to blows over little plastic men, but when some random civilian comes up to two marines at the end of a very looong week and starts Sh*t talking your models and how you play without any preamble whatsoever, it tends to grate on ones nerves.
4. "Clan Mouth-breather" These wonderful individuals are a group of boot marines wearing moto t-shirts and sporting 'high and tight' haircuts that congregate every saturday with all MEQ armies and proceed to lock down 3 tables with a day long monstrous abortion of an Apocalypse battle, all while spouting annoying boot marine stories that they makes them look tough.. it's not so much an intrusion into everyone else's bubble like the other 3 previously mentioned individuals, but rather their effect as an overall cluster of annoyance for everyone in the FLGS, many of the regulars at our store are either career Marines or Veteran Marines and, at the risk of sounding like the old guy on his porch, a bunch of young pups running around barking like they're the big dog in the yard is annoying. Plus with them locking up 3 tables on the busiest day of the week is just plain rude.
Surprised no one had mentioned armchair quarterbacks yet.
The absolute worste for me is not the guy across the table I'm playing but the other ones who stand around trying to give "advice" or say something along the lines of "If you move here you get LOS to that" or "good bait move there lets see if he takes it". I'll often ask in a very annoyed voice who am I actually playing here?
MeanGreenStompa wrote:He was apparently an exGW manager, I would hate to have experienced that style as my introduction to the games as a young man.
My first actual game of 40k (around 1996) was just like that, though not at a GW store. Manager of the LGS noticed I was interested in 40k, so offered to "show me how to play". It was me playing SW against nids, both house armies as I didnt own anything yet. He gave me a basic rundown of what my stuff did, and nothing about his. No tactics advice. Just let me move and attack however I wanted to...and proceeded to take full advantage and wipe the table with me. It was a big lesson in "oops, shouldnt have done that".
Automatically Appended Next Post:
AzureDeath wrote:habit of putting his dice in a big bag and reaching in it all the time. If he needs to roll high the dice where one color and low another color. Put your dice on the table or don't play.
Hmmm...I detect an old-school RPG guy. We all do it. Different dice for different needs.
Im guilty of that, but in all fairness its mostly because its rare. My games (of anything) usually start with me doing spectacular, great moves,great rolls, killin em all. Then the dice turn against me. I can have my enemy outnumber and outgunned, perfectly positioned for a crushing...then the rolls start failing and it all falls apart. SO when I get a chance to destroy, I drive it home.
The last game of Heroscape against my wife went that way. I was tearing her up, then she used a special power that turns a unit to her side, and got one of my most powerful guys with it. Takes a roll of 19 or 20 on a d20, she nailed the 20. It did have quite an epic ending...both with one mini left. She got to strike first, a do-or-die hit as her guy wouldnt have survived my attack...she nailed it. Last man standing.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
IHateNids wrote:
Mad4Minis wrote:It was a big lesson in "oops, shouldnt have done that".
I know a guy who is a bit like that. He always acts on every mistake you make.
I also know a guy who is complete opposite. He will tell you what mistake you are about to make, thus preventing you from giving the game away.
Seeing as it was my first game, I think a bit of tactical advise would have been proper. I really didnt know anything about the game, all I owned was a couple issues of WD. I did end up getting into playing the game a couple years later. I did spend those couple years buying and painting minis, but had no interest in playing the game until I met a good group of people, at a different LGS.
What I did play a few times during those years was Warzone, based on Mutant Chronicles...a very cool game, was a shame it didnt catch on more.
I thought my phone posted this but it was taking forever so I ran to my laptop. I just finished the post on my laptop and realized it double posted lol, DOH!!! my bad!
Yeah. I got a black eye from a kid last weekend on my visit to Seattle. I decided to hook up with an old friend who has never quit playing 40k. This would be my second game played in 15 years and my first one in 6th. We went to my buddies local store to find a match.
We both were playing Necron. Im a new player so my list isnt tournament/competitive or anything. He has 4 nightscythes, 3 doomscythes, orikan/c-tan combo, death and despair etc etc. The cheese of the cheese if you will.
I had a buddy there who was very familiar with 6th and an expierenced tournament player. It was agreed before the game that it would be ok for him to help me a bit with tactical help, rules help etc. The cheese list kid wanted me to "give him a challenge". He figured with my as he put it, " sad little necron list" , that with my friends help I might push him a little.
The game starts and with my friends help we decimate him. A combo of his bad rolls, my good ones, and my buddies genius tactical help tilted everything in my favor.
This kid yelled at the top of his lungs the whole game at his rolls, my rolls, his luck, my luck, my friends advice etc. Anything he could complain about and more was screamed.
After the game I thanked him for the game and tried to shake his hand...he replied by yelling F%^& YOU and threw something at me. It was the new servo skull tape measure. It hit me square in the face. Did some good damage too. The owner ran over, grabbed the kid, threw him out and I guess banned him from comming back. He then apologized to me well over 100 times and gave me a free Nightcythe/Doomscythe kit. (Id take a black eye and bloody nose any day for that)
Here is my ugly mug with the damage this arrogant, cheese-listing, assclown did.
FatBoy wrote:Yeah. I got a black eye from a kid last weekend on my visit to Seattle. I decided to hook up with an old friend whos never quit playing 40k. This would be my second game played in 15 years and my first one in 6th. We went to my buddies local store to find a match.
We both were playing Necron. Im a new player so my list isnt tournament/competitive or anything. He has 4 nightscythes, 3 doomscythes, orikan/c-tan combo, death and despair etc etc. The cheese of the cheese if you will.
I had a buddy there who was very familiar with 6th and an expierenced tournament player. It was agreed before the game that it would be ok for him to help me a bit with tactical help, rules help etc. The cheese list kid wanted me to "give him a challenge". He figured with my as he put it, " sad little necron list" , that with my friends help I might push him a little.
The game stars and with my friend help we decimate him. A combo of his bad rolls, my good ones, and my buddies genius tactical help tilted everything in my favor.
This kis yelled at the tp of his lungs the whole game at his rolls, my rolls, his luck, my luck, my friends advice etc. Anything he could complain about and more was screamed.
After the game I thanked him for the game and tried to shake his hand...he replied by yelling F%^& YOU and threw something at me. It was the new servo skull tape measure. It hit me square in the face. Did some good damage too. The owner ran over, grabbed the kid, threw him out and I guess banned him from comming back. He then apologized to me well over 100 times and gave me a free Nightcythe/Doomscythe kit. (Id take a black eye and bloody nose any day for that)
Here is my ugly mug with the damage this arrogant, cheese-listing, assclown did.
Battledamage? the weathering needs a bit of work
NEvermind just realised you edited the bit at the bottom out
Must have really hit you hard to manage that double post lol.
Didn't realise those new skulls were so dense! At least they're hitting their target market. Kid sounds like an utter douche, I'd have made him eat his tape measure for that.
The store owner had him out of there within 60 seconds. I kinda took the hit and stood there a bit dumbfounded to be honest. I was pretty pissed off but I couldnt really do anything in America as a Canadian citizen without getting the boot and the "DO NOT COME BACK" stamp on my passport. That and he was a minor.
I hope someday when hes in prison for his anger issues somebody throws some soap at him and hes forced to pick it up...KARMA.....gotta love it.
He packed it before he threw his skull. However, his cases were left behind when he got thrown out.
He must have gotten them back somehow. My friend told me he was a regular there and nobody liked playing him. Maybe him freaking out on me was in fact a service to the local gaming community? I hope so!
well, hopefully he never pulls his models out of their cases to play again. You are a good guy for not doing anything about it and letting the store take care of him.
Not too much "TFG"ing around here, thankfully. A lot of us take it competitively, but we normally arrange that before hand. ive never had a player that I wouldnt play again, although Ive talked to a few that sound a little unpleasant about their Grey Knight armies, mostly "Mind Strike Missile" spam.
IHateNids wrote:If that happened at my FLGS, pretty much all of the regulars would beat him to pulp, because we are all 'minors' as you say, and he would get banned.
CSB. You know you can still be arrested when you break the law as a minor, right?
IHateNids wrote:If that happened at my FLGS, pretty much all of the regulars would beat him to pulp, because we are all 'minors' as you say, and he would get banned.
CSB. You know you can still be arrested when you break the law as a minor, right?
Aye, but we wouldnt do any lasting damage. Well beyond a broken leg in case of a couple of them.
IHateNids wrote:If that happened at my FLGS, pretty much all of the regulars would beat him to pulp, because we are all 'minors' as you say, and he would get banned.
CSB. You know you can still be arrested when you break the law as a minor, right?
Aye, but we wouldnt do any lasting damage. Well beyond a broken leg in case of a couple of them.
I realize you're just talking tough because we're on the internet, but you don't need to threaten violence to look cool. Just saying.
IHateNids wrote:If that happened at my FLGS, pretty much all of the regulars would beat him to pulp, because we are all 'minors' as you say, and he would get banned.
CSB. You know you can still be arrested when you break the law as a minor, right?
Aye, but we wouldnt do any lasting damage. Well beyond a broken leg in case of a couple of them.
I realize you're just talking tough because we're on the internet, but you don't need to threaten violence to look cool. Just saying.
I'm not talking tough, I'm just stating a fact. I realise that it looks like fighting talk, but if that happened to any one of the regulars, the offending player would have the victim + another to deal with, if it is blows, or just helping throw him+his things out.
The only guy I refuse to play is one guy who somehow managed to be all the different types of TFG combined into one TFG.
WAAC counts-as jerk: he took his beautifilly painted (but over-highlighted, oh yeah, he didn't paint them himself, but claims he did) Dark Angels, but ran them as Blood Angels. His Belial (Termie armor) became Mephiston and other stupid counts as bullsh.
Mouthbreather: heavy-set guy who because of medical reasons cannot stand with out other support. Alone, I am fine with this, but the fact that he had to lean on the flimsy table over and over again that eventually led to him knocking off my custum-made converted Hive Tyrant with wings into more than 20 pieces, and then blamed the fall on how off-balance the model was and how poor of a job I did with the base. . . . as I set about picking up the pieces, with no apology whatsoever from the guy.
Rules Lawyer who doesn't know his own rules: this doesn't need explanation.
Takes forever: In my first game (in a tournament) he took way to long for everything, and he always plays this slow. I ended up beating him so badly, that he conceded the game at the end of the first half of turn two. Oh yeah, everyone else was done with their full game at this point. It took us more than 2 hrs to play one and a half turns.
doesn't even know his own codex: oh yeah, this is because he just hops codexes to the latest and greatest.
He also had the audacity to ask me if my fully WYSIWYGDA army had this weapon or that weapon. when it was clearly on the model. Actually he asked me if my DW terminators had plasma cannons. and he supposedly played DA what?
and this was as his bone white *blood angels* terminators were running towards me with his belial*Mephiston* and his dark green tactical marines *deathcompany* were running towards me.
and the list of everything this guy did to be TFG just goes on and on.
FatBoy wrote:Yeah. I got a black eye from a kid last weekend on my visit to Seattle. I decided to hook up with an old friend whos never quit playing 40k. This would be my second game played in 15 years and my first one in 6th. We went to my buddies local store to find a match.
We both were playing Necron. Im a new player so my list isnt tournament/competitive or anything. He has 4 nightscythes, 3 doomscythes, orikan/c-tan combo, death and despair etc etc. The cheese of the cheese if you will.
I had a buddy there who was very familiar with 6th and an expierenced tournament player. It was agreed before the game that it would be ok for him to help me a bit with tactical help, rules help etc. The cheese list kid wanted me to "give him a challenge". He figured with my as he put it, " sad little necron list" , that with my friends help I might push him a little.
The game stars and with my friend help we decimate him. A combo of his bad rolls, my good ones, and my buddies genius tactical help tilted everything in my favor.
This kis yelled at the tp of his lungs the whole game at his rolls, my rolls, his luck, my luck, my friends advice etc. Anything he could complain about and more was screamed.
After the game I thanked him for the game and tried to shake his hand...he replied by yelling F%^& YOU and threw something at me. It was the new servo skull tape measure. It hit me square in the face. Did some good damage too. The owner ran over, grabbed the kid, threw him out and I guess banned him from comming back. He then apologized to me well over 100 times and gave me a free Nightcythe/Doomscythe kit. (Id take a black eye and bloody nose any day for that)
Here is my ugly mug with the damage this arrogant, cheese-listing, assclown did.
Have to ask, what did you tell your friends/family when you got home? Please say you said"You should have seen the other guy." . But in all seriousness, I think you ran into the god of TFG's I would be royally pissed, but I think it would take some brass balls in my flgs to resort to violence considering any one night that its open 2-5 people are open carrying sidearms.
Whats worse, the guy who sits down, barely plays, and THEN tries to tell you what to do, or what is better, He then proceeds to say he knows the rules when he clearly doesnt.
IHateNids wrote:If that happened at my FLGS, pretty much all of the regulars would beat him to pulp, because we are all 'minors' as you say, and he would get banned.
CSB. You know you can still be arrested when you break the law as a minor, right?
Aye, but we wouldnt do any lasting damage. Well beyond a broken leg in case of a couple of them.
Seriously?
No wait, because someone is being a donkey cave during a game, the best thing to do is beat him till his leg is broken.
4. "Clan Mouth-breather" These wonderful individuals are a group of boot marines wearing moto t-shirts and sporting 'high and tight' haircuts that congregate every saturday with all MEQ armies and proceed to lock down 3 tables with a day long monstrous abortion of an Apocalypse battle, all while spouting annoying boot marine stories that they makes them look tough.. it's not so much an intrusion into everyone else's bubble like the other 3 previously mentioned individuals, but rather their effect as an overall cluster of annoyance for everyone in the FLGS, many of the regulars at our store are either career Marines or Veteran Marines and, at the risk of sounding like the old guy on his porch, a bunch of young pups running around barking like they're the big dog in the yard is annoying. Plus with them locking up 3 tables on the busiest day of the week is just plain rude.
Pretty sure /every/ boot is like that though. Never known boots to hang out at the local FLGS so that's surprising to me any way, usually they're too busy drinking, or being insecure enough that they couldn't play with war dollies. So I suppose that's an improvement from a libbo incident stand point till someone at the store has to take'em out to the ridgeline and "explain" things to them.
Anyone remember the incident up in Bellingham, WA a couple years back? Some kids were drunk and poked there heads in a game shop and started insulting everyone inside - broke a window too. Two of the 'regulars' chased after them and beat up one of them pretty bad. Got arrested for it too. Might want to ask them if it was worth it, huh? Felony record over some little plastic toys...
Anyway, to add to the thread, there was a creepy unemployed electrician who used to hang around my FLGS when I used to play 40K. He was there A LOT, and was too cheap/poor to ever buy the rules. He'd just hover over your table like a weasel and then start yelling at kids if they go the rules wrong - this from the guy who never owned a rulebook.
He scrounged up enough IG to challenge my Eldar and we started playing a friendly 3rd editon game. I drop a template weapon on his squad and hand him the round template to measure how many it hit.
He fiddles around a bit and says "Two."
"You've got to cover as many models as possible." I reply, knowing I had at least three.
"No, I don't! I can place it wherever I want. Learn the rules!" he snaps in a complete $@%%-head voice.
Here I just blew up. "I'm the only one at this table that even OWNS the F'in rules, #$@$@%!!!"
He immediately goes meek and says that he'd just watched people placing the template while they played and thought you could do whatever you want. Which pretty much summed up his entire knowledge of 3rd Edition rules, whatever he could gleen from watching others. I'm fine with not knowing all the rules by heart, but at least don't be a cheap-ass and buy the friggin' rulebook!!!
IHateNids wrote:If that happened at my FLGS, pretty much all of the regulars would beat him to pulp, because we are all 'minors' as you say, and he would get banned.
CSB. You know you can still be arrested when you break the law as a minor, right?
Aye, but we wouldnt do any lasting damage. Well beyond a broken leg in case of a couple of them.
I realize you're just talking tough because we're on the internet, but you don't need to threaten violence to look cool. Just saying.
+1
Well played I love this, 'Nids isnt going to hear the end of this quote from me at my FLGS...
I have one last story to add...
I was in a tournament (in the last days of 5th ed), and my first game was against a Red scorpions player, now he had a thunderfire cannon and then stated that is did not need LOS when firing its "subterranean" shells (now I did not know this so Im let him have it) in which case he kept pounding my defiler and kept making it take dangerous terrain tests, he also won the game. Now I did not realise that it could not do such an action until I got back home checked up on my own SM codex that, that was utter b .
Needless to say I was at least a little peeved, but I did not say anything until the tournament, was finished because I did not want to leave a bad impression to anyone.
IHateNids wrote:If that happened at my FLGS, pretty much all of the regulars would beat him to pulp, because we are all 'minors' as you say, and he would get banned.
CSB. You know you can still be arrested when you break the law as a minor, right?[/quote
]Aye, but we wouldnt do any lasting damage. Well beyond a broken leg in case of a couple of them.
Seriously?
No wait, because someone is being a donkey cave during a game, the best thing to do is beat him till his leg is broken.
No, I am reffering to if someone threw a tape measure off my or one my friend's faces and caused damge like the photo shows
I have had 2 experiences....
The first one is with yu-gi-oh... I hadn't played for at least a year and in my game my opponent had a 3 monsters, 1 had 9 spell counters which put him onto approximatly 5000 attack points, 1 that can do direct damage to my life points that couldn't be destroyed amd 1 that could respawn his cards if I destroyed them......
The second 1 was in 5th ed 40k when in my first tournament game my opponent somehow got a turn 1 charge with death company, at the time I didn't think anything of it but afterwards i did the maths and realised it was illegal....
IHateNids wrote:If that happened at my FLGS, pretty much all of the regulars would beat him to pulp, because we are all 'minors' as you say, and he would get banned.
CSB. You know you can still be arrested when you break the law as a minor, right?[/quote
]Aye, but we wouldnt do any lasting damage. Well beyond a broken leg in case of a couple of them.
Seriously?
No wait, because someone is being a donkey cave during a game, the best thing to do is beat him till his leg is broken.
No, I am reffering to if someone threw a tape measure off my or one my friend's faces and caused damge like the photo shows
Violence as a response to violence isn't exactly legal. Sounds like the game store owner got involved fast enough; there was no need for self-defence. Even when there is a need for self-defence, breaking someone's legs while a part of a mob in response to them throwing something at someone in anger isn't self-defence.
Most of the people at the local store i go to are no where near TFG thankfully
except 2.
One plays Salamander SM. He gets agrivated very quickly and if he manages to kill a unit he will rub it in your face like it was a deciding factor in the battle. He also rage quits mid battle if your winning. thankfully the rage quits are not violent. just the silent pack up everything in a huff and not speak to you things. Also when he got really frustrated he would grab his dice as soon as they stoped and say they are a different number (cheating) expecially if it was a 1. like if a unit failed a save he would snatch up the dice trying to prevent you from seeing it. If you catch him he gets all defensive and if you catch him agian he will pack up.
I han't seen him play recently but i see him play magic alot. allegedly he was kicked out once when he got angry about a battle.
Another has both IG and ELdar (and peices parts of chaos, orks and grey knights. last i checked). Hes extreamly annoying and gets really frustrated if he begins to loose units. He will treat the tape measurer as a sword and swing it around and poke you with it. and slowly as the game goes along if he begins to loose he becomes extreamly depressed and frustrated. HE would also complain alot about your units. even if you have the same army (my Armor IG crushes his Infantry IG yet he also has a few tanks and still complains about them). Tank blows up his infantry and he can go on a long speech on how the tank is BS. COurse if he manages to kill a tank (or in 5th if he glances and disables it) he acts like hes won the war just by stunning my Leman Russ (one out of 3 or more).
4. "Clan Mouth-breather" These wonderful individuals are a group of boot marines wearing moto t-shirts and sporting 'high and tight' haircuts that congregate every saturday with all MEQ armies and proceed to lock down 3 tables with a day long monstrous abortion of an Apocalypse battle, all while spouting annoying boot marine stories that they makes them look tough.. it's not so much an intrusion into everyone else's bubble like the other 3 previously mentioned individuals, but rather their effect as an overall cluster of annoyance for everyone in the FLGS, many of the regulars at our store are either career Marines or Veteran Marines and, at the risk of sounding like the old guy on his porch, a bunch of young pups running around barking like they're the big dog in the yard is annoying. Plus with them locking up 3 tables on the busiest day of the week is just plain rude.
Pretty sure /every/ boot is like that though. Never known boots to hang out at the local FLGS so that's surprising to me any way, usually they're too busy drinking, or being insecure enough that they couldn't play with war dollies. So I suppose that's an improvement from a libbo incident stand point till someone at the store has to take'em out to the ridgeline and "explain" things to them.
Oh agreed boots will be boots, and from the NCO standpoint I would have loved it if my junior marines stayed inside and painted plastic figurines instead of getting drunk and burning the damn barracks down.
I only had a TFG encounter once, but it was enought to be farily upsetting..well actually 2... but meh its all fine and dandy.
So i have orks, and love orks and they are huge at my FLGS because i been playing them for years. This new guy shows up, plays dark eldar with his bro, studies psychology considers him self a 100% badass. I dig and compliment him on his studies and say he should paint his army. He asks to play me. I accept. All is dandy - then i see his list. 10 million percent tailored to beat me. I figure i'z orky and i playz anyways but he was doing dirty things like using the tip off his raider (had a <-(car) type deal) anways he would shoot off that, firing rapid fire weaponry at full range as 2 shots and the such. Had the bombers and blew me to bits. He beat me hard. Not after i raided all his raiders off. Needless to say his rule layering, cheating got to me and i vowed i never play him again.
Other one was at ard boyz. I moving 154 models in under 15 minutes for my ork army. he is moving his 25 model army (armor heavy marines) in 1.5 hours. He wanted to call it on top of turn four after he went and killed a bunch of stuff, but it was the edge where i would get to waghhh in and smash his army. Needless to say the TO had to walk over, along with every other single player in the tourny and say in my favour which i was failing to argue ( i am a argument coward) that i get my part of turn four. i finish in 15 minutes flat and he had 1 squad left..
cormadepanda wrote:I only had a TFG encounter once, but it was enought to be farily upsetting..well actually 2... but meh its all fine and dandy.
So i have orks, and love orks and they are huge at my FLGS because i been playing them for years. This new guy shows up, plays dark eldar with his bro, studies psychology considers him self a 100% badass. I dig and compliment him on his studies and say he should paint his army. He asks to play me. I accept. All is dandy - then i see his list. 10 million percent tailored to beat me. I figure i'z orky and i playz anyways but he was doing dirty things like using the tip off his raider (had a <-(car) type deal) anways he would shoot off that, firing rapid fire weaponry at full range as 2 shots and the such. Had the bombers and blew me to bits. He beat me hard. Not after i raided all his raiders off. Needless to say his rule layering, cheating got to me and i vowed i never play him again.
Other one was at ard boyz. I moving 154 models in under 15 minutes for my ork army. he is moving his 25 model army (armor heavy marines) in 1.5 hours. He wanted to call it on top of turn four after he went and killed a bunch of stuff, but it was the edge where i would get to waghhh in and smash his army. Needless to say the TO had to walk over, along with every other single player in the tourny and say in my favour which i was failing to argue ( i am a argument coward) that i get my part of turn four. i finish in 15 minutes flat and he had 1 squad left..
Dont tournies have a time limit on a persons turn to avoid taking forever and stalling, or is that just locally?
Dont tournies have a time limit on a persons turn to avoid taking forever and stalling, or is that just locally?
Its tounries and local for me. I never considered it as a problem. I didn't catch on that he was stalling untill turn 3. ( i was too free going i suppose). But the TO and everyone said staying late was worth it. The guy left after that game. Wass a 40 yr old too i was 17..lol
I think that I might have been TFG once, even though i am usually very nice and easy going with gameplay and rules. But in this one tournament I was playing i forgot to move one unit and asked to after shooting one thing, the guy said no, which is ok. But then in the final turn of the game the same thing happened to him, but he was going to move and contest an objective that would have tied the game, but shot, and so i wouldnt let him do it. In hindsight though, i should have let him as i wasnt in contention for 1st place or in danger of getting last, and was just mad at him for earlier(and wanted to win 2 out of 3 games for the day).
dajobe wrote:I think that I might have been TFG once, even though i am usually very nice and easy going with gameplay and rules. But in this one tournament I was playing i forgot to move one unit and asked to after shooting one thing, the guy said no, which is ok. But then in the final turn of the game the same thing happened to him, but he was going to move and contest an objective that would have tied the game, but shot, and so i wouldnt let him do it. In hindsight though, i should have let him as i wasnt in contention for 1st place or in danger of getting last, and was just mad at him for earlier(and wanted to win 2 out of 3 games for the day).
I'd say that's a fair case of tit for tat, I've done it before as well, someone calls me out on something I missed, I hold them to the same standard.
One of them could break a leg if he was angry enough. (not me, I'm pretty docile in comparison to him)
Yes, of course he can. I'm sure pretty much everyone who is 13 years old could at one point. Stop acting like the Internet tough guy because you're just making yourself look like an arse.
Hmmmm, I'm not sure what to think about the WAAC list's...
I mean I've been known bring very competitive list's at my LGS and there are others too. I don't mind someone else playing a super competitive, omega list, I'll bring one of my own as well. If it's legal I have no problem with it. That being said I'll pull out a funky list against new/ lax players. I don't think someone should be crowned a TFG just by bringing a good list. I don't mind if someone brings a competative list, it's just if their attitude/playing still is WAAC, that's when I have the problem. I don't blame the army for not having a good time, I blame the player. I'd rather get sqaushed by a friendly guy, then have to put up with a rules lawyering, look up every single thing I declare, asswipe.
When it comes to list's, two things irk me : LIST TAILORING (absolutely hate this, will not play someone doing this) and bringing a list that is obviously too big....
As far as TFG's in my area, there are two, although only one of them is that bad.
The fist guy is so full of himself and thinks he's the hottest gak alive. He's so elitist like you wouldn't believe and bashes me just because I play orks. He'll insult if you make a stupid move once it's his turn and get angry when he starts losing. He'll also accuse you of cheating at any possible point he can. Such an ass, I refuse to play him.
The other is a nice guy all around, but not when he loses, complete personality switch....
Here is my TFG moment, 4ed. I was playing Deathwing, he was playing Necron (footsloggers). I walked on the board and sat in a corner where he could only fire upon me from about a five inch gap in terrain on two sides. He came at me piece meal, Twenty Necrons don't last long when there is about twenty-six terminators firing on them. He phased out in turn five. I lost only one guy. I danced and gloated, pointing it out to my friends, he packed up silently and left. After coming down from my "high," I realized what I had done, went to apologize but, never saw him again. I felt like an ____, I still feel ashamed about the whole thing.
Bakedbeans wrote:Here is my TFG moment, 4ed. I was playing Deathwing, he was playing Necron (footsloggers). I walked on the board and sat in a corner where he could only fire upon me from about a five inch gap in terrain on two sides. He came at me piece meal, Twenty Necrons don't last long when there is about twenty-six terminators firing on them. He phased out in turn five. I lost only one guy. I danced and gloated, pointing it out to my friends, he packed up silently and left. After coming down from my "high," I realized what I had done, went to apologize but, never saw him again. I felt like an ____, I still feel ashamed about the whole thing.
Bakedbeans wrote:Here is my TFG moment, 4ed. I was playing Deathwing, he was playing Necron (footsloggers). I walked on the board and sat in a corner where he could only fire upon me from about a five inch gap in terrain on two sides. He came at me piece meal, Twenty Necrons don't last long when there is about twenty-six terminators firing on them. He phased out in turn five. I lost only one guy. I danced and gloated, pointing it out to my friends, he packed up silently and left. After coming down from my "high," I realized what I had done, went to apologize but, never saw him again. I felt like an ____, I still feel ashamed about the whole thing.
I respect you for sharing that, bud.
+1 to the respect: we ALL have those days, and you're a big man to admit to it (no sarcasm, I'm being honest). I did it myself and felt like crap about it once-I played a new guy who wanted to proxy a drop pod, and I told him he shouldn't use a peanut butter jar-I offered him one of my drop pods, but told him no way to peanut butter jars. And while I didn't take a truly horrendous list, I didn't show him much mercy-a DC squad in a Land Raider with a Libby leading the squad, an assault squad, a Storm Raven and I think a Pod'd Sternguard Squad against his Salamanders. I stayed away from the really nasty BA stuff, but still tabled him quickly-felt like crap about it and wanted to apologize afterwards, but didn't get the chance. In my defense, I had lost a LOT of games recently (and so lost my cool for a bit) and he was getting help from the semi-TFG of our store: the rules lawyer who never owned an army or rulebook, borrowed models to make netlists and gloated when he beat people with models he wouldn't ever purchase. I kinda feel bad labeling him a TFG, cause he'd give you the shirt off your back if you asked-he just power games at everything and often cheats.
And to those saying "No Kairos in friendly games"...you're probably right. I beat a Dwarf AND Dark Elf army in the same game with just Kairos-he Pit of Shades'd all the dwarves and nuked the elves with other spells (this was in 7th). Both those guys had used me as a punching bag before under older rules though, so it's fair to say they deserved it
Bakedbeans wrote:Here is my TFG moment, 4ed. I was playing Deathwing, he was playing Necron (footsloggers). I walked on the board and sat in a corner where he could only fire upon me from about a five inch gap in terrain on two sides. He came at me piece meal, Twenty Necrons don't last long when there is about twenty-six terminators firing on them. He phased out in turn five. I lost only one guy. I danced and gloated, pointing it out to my friends, he packed up silently and left. After coming down from my "high," I realized what I had done, went to apologize but, never saw him again. I felt like an ____, I still feel ashamed about the whole thing.
I respect you for sharing that, bud.
Thirded, it's honorable to come clean on stuff like that. Hopefully you can find him again.
Edit to put my money where my mouth is:
I haven't been in enough gaming stores or games to get a chance to become TFG really, but I know when I'm bidding on 40k stuff on ebay I get really vindictive is I lose "Well at least I made /that/ guy pay more." Which seems to me to be making a complete of myself. I also used to rules lawyer pretty hardcore for some competition level airsoft matches I went to in high school.
Bakedbeans wrote:Here is my TFG moment, 4ed. I was playing Deathwing, he was playing Necron (footsloggers). I walked on the board and sat in a corner where he could only fire upon me from about a five inch gap in terrain on two sides. He came at me piece meal, Twenty Necrons don't last long when there is about twenty-six terminators firing on them. He phased out in turn five. I lost only one guy. I danced and gloated, pointing it out to my friends, he packed up silently and left. After coming down from my "high," I realized what I had done, went to apologize but, never saw him again. I felt like an ____, I still feel ashamed about the whole thing.
Done that before. I taught 5th edition to a guy who had built a small Ultramarine force (he regularly beat me at other games). Haven't felt the same ever since.
Bakedbeans wrote:Here is my TFG moment, 4ed. I was playing Deathwing, he was playing Necron (footsloggers). I walked on the board and sat in a corner where he could only fire upon me from about a five inch gap in terrain on two sides. He came at me piece meal, Twenty Necrons don't last long when there is about twenty-six terminators firing on them. He phased out in turn five. I lost only one guy. I danced and gloated, pointing it out to my friends, he packed up silently and left. After coming down from my "high," I realized what I had done, went to apologize but, never saw him again. I felt like an ____, I still feel ashamed about the whole thing.
I'll admit I did a similar thing in a tournament. Had my Daemons fighting a Nidzilla army from the old codex and The Masque gets shot by a HT with two twin devourers, so it rerolled everything. Little missy has to make 12 3++ saves and amazingly she does. I immediately go "Can't touch this!" and start doing a little dance whilst getting whithering looks from my opponent.
Ultrafool wrote:I got one guy I'd never play against, meet him at a 5th ed tourney. Guy played old crons and was losing every game, he complained and moaned and everyone hated him and everyone was warning me not to play him. Well lucky me last round I play him and was did not want to. I asked the manager if I can just back out and give him the auto win, since I wasn't going to place and either was he since he was in last place. The manager replied "If you beat the dog gakk out of him, all buy you a box of warriors" so challenge accepted. Took out my fluffy Flesh Tearers and his complaints start rolling in, then throughout the game rules layering and complaining some more and cheating. So I fired back with insults and stuff and phased him out in an objective game. Got my box, told him he was a terrible person, and laughed.
Wait, so in this example, you were TFG?
See being a TFG is like being infected with a virus. In that tourney, everyone was having a blast except for the TFG. The TFG's actions, comments, well just about about everything caused everyone and I to become infected and made me !RAGE! back. He created the monster not me, but hey the infection has been removed and were all happy.
Taking thorek, teclis or fateweaver in a for fun game randomly? Your a douchebag I won't play. Play Armies designed for GTs as a fun game without letting me know first? I won't play you.
So, me taking teclis fateweaver or thorek because I like their model / think they are cool makes me a douchebag automatically?
You seem nice.
(Sorry for the late reply to this been busy)
Anyhoo my story.
I may have told this one before, but I once went into the new gw in chiswick, london. I met one guy who shall not be named, and he seemed quite nice. We talked a bit we commented on each other's models. Then somehow the conversation turned to politics. Then it changed. Turns out he was elitist, racist, and a full on idiotic incorrect BNP B*****d. He had that arrogant ignorant attitude about the job situation "Blamin it on all the foreigners" And all that stupid stuff. I just stopped talking to him properly since then. I don't associate myself with Idiots.
Bakedbeans wrote:Here is my TFG moment, 4ed. I was playing Deathwing, he was playing Necron (footsloggers). I walked on the board and sat in a corner where he could only fire upon me from about a five inch gap in terrain on two sides. He came at me piece meal, Twenty Necrons don't last long when there is about twenty-six terminators firing on them. He phased out in turn five. I lost only one guy. I danced and gloated, pointing it out to my friends, he packed up silently and left. After coming down from my "high," I realized what I had done, went to apologize but, never saw him again. I felt like an ____, I still feel ashamed about the whole thing.
I'll admit I did a similar thing in a tournament. Had my Daemons fighting a Nidzilla army from the old codex and The Masque gets shot by a HT with two twin devourers, so it rerolled everything. Little missy has to make 12 3++ saves and amazingly she does. I immediately go "Can't touch this!" and start doing a little dance whilst getting whithering looks from my opponent.
Lol that would have been great. Would have luaghed if I had been their. Why was that TFG by the way if she maid the saves. Sounds like you just having fun.
Taking thorek, teclis or fateweaver in a for fun game randomly? Your a douchebag I won't play. Play Armies designed for GTs as a fun game without letting me know first? I won't play you.
So, me taking teclis fateweaver or thorek because I like their model / think they are cool makes me a douchebag automatically?
You seem nice.
Because you can't play those models as a generic lord of change, generic wizard, or generic anvil of doom right? You can't read where I said theme armies are acceptable with them as long as you can tell me why you like the character more than just "he's awesome"?
Taking thorek, teclis or fateweaver in a for fun game randomly? Your a douchebag I won't play. Play Armies designed for GTs as a fun game without letting me know first? I won't play you.
So, me taking teclis fateweaver or thorek because I like their model / think they are cool makes me a douchebag automatically?
You seem nice.
Because you can't play those models as a generic lord of change, generic wizard, or generic anvil of doom right? You can't read where I said theme armies are acceptable with them as long as you can tell me why you like the character more than just "he's awesome"?
So, it's wrong to play characters that you can legally use, but because they are powerful, your afraid to fight them?
Again....
Really?
Also, what makes me a douche if I take these characters? Because, it's quite insulting to claim anyone who takes these in a game is a douche, and I have to answer to you?
Sir, have you ever thought it is you who are the douche if your treat people like this?
Have you guys all just started playing? Springing Special Characters on an opponent without telling them beforehand is considered bad form. Most are grossly over-powered and game changing in and of themselves, which is why most tournaments disallow them.
That said, if you've discussed it with your opponent beforehand and they've had a chance to include one / alter their list accordingly, then knock yourself out.
Swan-of-War wrote:Have you guys all just started playing? Springing Special Characters on an opponent without telling them beforehand is considered bad form. Most are grossly over-powered and game changing in and of themselves, which is why most tournaments disallow them.
That said, if you've discussed it with your opponent beforehand and they've had a chance to include one / alter their list accordingly, then knock yourself out.
I...can't tell if you are serious, trolling or some manner of time traveller from 2002.
Special characters have been 100% accepted in all levels of gaming for the better part of 5+ years. Hell, I'd go so far as to say they are EXPECTED.
Swan-of-War wrote:Have you guys all just started playing? Springing Special Characters on an opponent without telling them beforehand is considered bad form.
Good lord! I almost couldn't hear you from all the the way back in 3rd edition there.
blood reaper wrote:
So, it's wrong to play characters that you can legally use, but because they are powerful, your afraid to fight them?
Again....
Really?
Also, what makes me a douche if I take these characters? Because, it's quite insulting to claim anyone who takes these in a game is a douche, and I have to answer to you?
Sir, have you ever thought it is you who are the douche if your treat people like this?
BUT THEY ARE NOT LEGAL! If you can show me that 51% of GTs allow special characters I'd be surprised. Even if they do, they ban these three characters at every event I have ever seen.
If your new to fantasy, or your doing a 100% themed list, it is acceptable. But if your well acquainted with the fantasy scene and still take these characters just because "they are awesome" your TFG. Especially if your bringing it out for a "fun" game.
Again this may be different over the pond where GWs run gak, but here in independent land, every GT and local I've seen straight up BAN atleast these three if not all named lords.
blood reaper wrote:
So, it's wrong to play characters that you can legally use, but because they are powerful, your afraid to fight them?
Again....
Really?
Also, what makes me a douche if I take these characters? Because, it's quite insulting to claim anyone who takes these in a game is a douche, and I have to answer to you?
Sir, have you ever thought it is you who are the douche if your treat people like this?
BUT THEY ARE NOT LEGAL! If you can show me that 51% of GTs allow special characters I'd be surprised. Even if they do, they ban these three characters at every event I have ever seen.
If your new to fantasy, or your doing a 100% themed list, it is acceptable. But if your well acquainted with the fantasy scene and still take these characters just because "they are awesome" your TFG. Especially if your bringing it out for a "fun" game.
Again this may be different over the pond where GWs run gak, but here in independent land, every GT and local I've seen straight up BAN atleast these three if not all named lords.
I meant in normal games
I still don't see how someone is a douche for using them, honestly.
Wargamejunkie wrote:Have you ever played against them in Fantasy?
I know they are powerful, yes.
However, to simply call someone a douche for using them is somewhat douche bagish itself, and while Daemons in fantasy could be blamed for breaking 7th edition, name calling is just childish.
I'm done trying to explain it. It just goes over your head.
Im curious now as well, please explain as i havent really seen you make a definitive argument other than 'they are OP'...
Theres nothing wrong with using Special Characters. Yeah, fine, some of them are more powerful than others, but how does just using them somehow make you a douche? Teclis+PG bunker with BotWD is a DAMN tough combination, but by no means unbeatable, same goes with fateweaver (this is also the first time ive heard Thorek be called OP, EVER).
List tailoring, and adding more points than your allowance makes you a douche, no other TFG moves (or douche moves) are list-based as far as im concerned.
Using a Special Character renowned for their high levels of power in a low-mid points casual game can be considered somewhat poor form if the other party isn't warned beforehand. But that goes hand in hand with showing the other party your list prior to the game. It's just a courtesy to ensure an even, fair fight.
But it's not a douche move. Nor does it make you TFG. It is a part of their army, and it's an entirely legal choice.
I'm done trying to explain it. It just goes over your head.
Yes, please explain why something that you can't beat, is labeled OP, and if anyone takes it they become TFG.
I personally have lost to Fateweaver many many times. But I have also started learning and I have figured out his tricks.
Maybe you should play against SC more so you can learn how to beat them. The game is supposed to be challenging and tactical, which means you have to figure out how to kill the enemy. Getting beaten down by a powerful character and then coming back next week knowing exactly what you did wrong and how to kill him while keeping a balanced list is a great feeling.
Swan-of-War wrote:Have you guys all just started playing? Springing Special Characters on an opponent without telling them beforehand is considered bad form. Most are grossly over-powered and game changing in and of themselves, which is why most tournaments disallow them.
That said, if you've discussed it with your opponent beforehand and they've had a chance to include one / alter their list accordingly, then knock yourself out.
I...can't tell if you are serious, trolling or some manner of time traveller from 2002.
Special characters have been 100% accepted in all levels of gaming for the better part of 5+ years. Hell, I'd go so far as to say they are EXPECTED.
The poster I was responding to named off Fantasy special characters, hence I'm talking about Fantasy.
Try to keep up.
Swan-of-War wrote:Have you guys all just started playing? Springing Special Characters on an opponent without telling them beforehand is considered bad form. Most are grossly over-powered and game changing in and of themselves, which is why most tournaments disallow them.
That said, if you've discussed it with your opponent beforehand and they've had a chance to include one / alter their list accordingly, then knock yourself out.
I...can't tell if you are serious, trolling or some manner of time traveller from 2002.
Special characters have been 100% accepted in all levels of gaming for the better part of 5+ years. Hell, I'd go so far as to say they are EXPECTED.
The poster I was responding to named off Fantasy special characters, hence I'm talking about Fantasy.
Try to keep up.
Chill out friend, he didnt know, and hence his comment is not relevant. Relax...
Though even then, for the most part special characters in Fantasy are pretty much a non issue. The problem comes from the overpowered ones (Teclis and Fateweaver) the rest are either overcosted or underpowered, or both.
blood lance wrote:he was elitist, racist, and a full on idiotic incorrect BNP B*****d. He had that arrogant ignorant attitude about the job situation "Blamin it on all the foreigners" And all that stupid stuff. I just stopped talking to him properly since then. I don't associate myself with Idiots.
While I don't condone his view on politics or racism, we are lucky enough to live in a democracy and he's allowed an opinion. Instead of bad mouthing him on here why not just avoid the subject and play the game.
Swan-of-War wrote:Have you guys all just started playing? Springing Special Characters on an opponent without telling them beforehand is considered bad form. Most are grossly over-powered and game changing in and of themselves, which is why most tournaments disallow them.
That said, if you've discussed it with your opponent beforehand and they've had a chance to include one / alter their list accordingly, then knock yourself out.
I...can't tell if you are serious, trolling or some manner of time traveller from 2002.
Special characters have been 100% accepted in all levels of gaming for the better part of 5+ years. Hell, I'd go so far as to say they are EXPECTED.
The poster I was responding to named off Fantasy special characters, hence I'm talking about Fantasy.
Try to keep up.
If this is about fantasy then maybe take it to the fantasy forums. If nobody has noticed this is the 40k forums.....Just saying.
Swan-of-War wrote:Have you guys all just started playing? Springing Special Characters on an opponent without telling them beforehand is considered bad form. Most are grossly over-powered and game changing in and of themselves, which is why most tournaments disallow them.
That said, if you've discussed it with your opponent beforehand and they've had a chance to include one / alter their list accordingly, then knock yourself out.
I...can't tell if you are serious, trolling or some manner of time traveller from 2002.
Special characters have been 100% accepted in all levels of gaming for the better part of 5+ years. Hell, I'd go so far as to say they are EXPECTED.
The poster I was responding to named off Fantasy special characters, hence I'm talking about Fantasy.
Try to keep up.
If this is about fantasy then maybe take it to the fantasy forums. If nobody has noticed this is the 40k forums.....Just saying.[/quote
]
It's the general discussion forum, not the 40k forum.
I'm done trying to explain it. It just goes over your head.
Im curious now as well, please explain as i havent really seen you make a definitive argument other than 'they are OP'...
Theres nothing wrong with using Special Characters. Yeah, fine, some of them are more powerful than others, but how does just using them somehow make you a douche? Teclis+PG bunker with BotWD is a DAMN tough combination, but by no means unbeatable, same goes with fateweaver (this is also the first time ive heard Thorek be called OP, EVER).
List tailoring, and adding more points than your allowance makes you a douche, no other TFG moves (or douche moves) are list-based as far as im concerned.
Appearantly mentioning over and over again how they are banned in the majority of GTs is nothing more than arguing that they are op.
Moronic Nonsense wrote:
Stoupe wrote:And we're back to this again.
I'm done trying to explain it. It just goes over your head.
Yes, please explain why something that you can't beat, is labeled OP, and if anyone takes it they become TFG.
By surprising the person your playing against with a list that is not viable or legal in a competitive environment.
If you want to play him warn me, and don't be surprised if I say no (I may agree depending on my mood). But if you surprise me with it, your TFG.
Edit: it's funny, the topic has devolved from the intended problem due to quotes. To ensure people know what I'm saying 100% clearly, I may dislike special characters but I have no problem with the majority of them. The ones I do have an issue with are Teclis, Thorek, and Fateweaver. It is those three that make me think your TFG for springing it up on me, and I won't play you.
Turns out he was elitist, racist, and a full on idiotic incorrect BNP B*****d. He had that arrogant ignorant attitude about the job situation "Blamin it on all the foreigners" And all that stupid stuff. I just stopped talking to him properly since then. I don't associate myself with Idiots.
Did anyone else chuckle at the irony of someone dismissing a person who holds political opinons they happen to disagree with as "elitist"?
You probably should not mix wargaming with political discussions if you can't handle people who disagree with you. My own politics are hard right, but I have the misfortune to live in a city that is mostly left of center. Thus I recognize that most of my opponents are going to hold views I disagree with, so we find other things to talk about than contentious political discussions. Conflicts at the gaming shop should be fictional, not real.
Anyway, back on topic now...
I always have fun reading these "TFG" threads. The horror stories are always amusing. As always, some of the stories are so over the top, that one hope they are just trolls. But they are amusing to read none the less.
Like everyone else I have a few peeves when it comes to gaming:
-Loud kibitizing from the side line. I have no problem at all with someone watching one of my games in progress. Hell, i enjoy watching wargames bieng played as much as I do playing. But please keep the loud, unwanted commmentary to a minimum. It's just rude and distracting.
-Grabbing models off my table without asking first. I've probably snarled at more players for this reason than all the others combined. It's just rude to touch someone elses proprty without permission. Likewise, many of my minitaures are rare old colectables that are hard to replace. Hands off unless you ask first!
-Gloating in victory or being a poor loser. i get amazed at how common this behavior is amongst our community. I blame 4chan for the lack of civility amongst today's kiddies! But seriously, be polite. Be professional. And even if you're not an adult, try to act like one. How hard is that?
Turns out he was elitist, racist, and a full on idiotic incorrect BNP B*****d. He had that arrogant ignorant attitude about the job situation "Blamin it on all the foreigners" And all that stupid stuff. I just stopped talking to him properly since then. I don't associate myself with Idiots.
You probably should not mix wargaming with political discussions if you can't handle people who disagree with you...
Did anyone else chuckle at the irony of someone dismissing a person who holds political opinons they happen to disagree with as "elitist"?
The BNP are scum, far right wing racists and bigots, the closest we've got to a nazi party, fortunately they haven't got any seats in Parliament. Far from just disagreeing with them, any decent person wouldn't even associate with them.
Ok, so your opinion about a poltical party you disagree with has been noted. My point in regards to the irony of the person who originally brought it up and my advice about not mixing political discussion with gaming remain. If anything, with your hyperbole, vitriol, and invalid comparisons (when the BNP starts to embrace the 25 points of National Socialism your "Nazi Party" comparison might have some value...until then it's as meaningful as calling them "mean ol' poopyheads") help me to make my point as to why one should avoid such discussions at the gaming table.
Howard A Treesong wrote:The BNP are scum, far right wing racists and bigots, the closest we've got to a nazi party, fortunately they haven't got any seats in Parliament. Far from just disagreeing with them, any decent person wouldn't even associate with them.
I think its a sad state of affairs when you think its you that decide who is decent and who is not. I take people at face value when playing warhammer. The only bigot I can see is you.
Elector wrote: But that goes hand in hand with showing the other party your list prior to the game. It's just a courtesy to ensure an even, fair fight..
Honestly I blame the lack of "fair" on terribly unbalanced GW rules. In a proper system XXX points of one army should be balanced against the same points value of another army. A big part of that is what playtesting is for. When a particular unit, character, etc is "a great value for the points", then it should probably cost more points. Thats why, IMO, a construction system is vital to game design. X stat should be worth X points, no matter what. Even if the system isnt released to the public, it should at least be used in house while designing units.
Stoupe wrote:
Appearantly mentioning over and over again how they are banned in the majority of GTs is nothing more than arguing that they are op.
Ummm....So?
Who cares if they are banned at GTs? How does them being banned at GTs mean you are a douche for fielding them? Being better than another SC doesn't make you a douche for fielding them.
Plenty of GTs and other Tournies have some pretty stupid list rulings anyway, they aren't the be all and end all of the gaming world.
Closest thing I have become to being TFG is that when I tried necrons i had the pdf on the comp and i thought i knew the rules for them, and got one wrong and persistently defended it until a rather veteran friend of mine showed me where I was wrong. Nowadays with him I tend to just go with the fact that I am wrong and he is right, thus far it hasnt failed me yet.
I have Teclis in my HE list because I like the fluff behind him. Am I TFG? Seriously though, some of these people sound like right disagreeable chaps. I'm glad I didn't have too many at my old FLGS.
The old Dakka Dakka building had very low ceilings and limited floor space. I was playing in the Armageddon mega-battle and my opponent was a very large man who had driven 6 hours that morning to get to the mega-battle. It was summer so the building was hot and humid. With something like 26 gamers there it was a bit uncomfortable. This guy was super-stressed out the whole time and kept arguing with me over everything. It was obvious that he didn't like a kid (back then) telling him the correct way to read the rules. I had had enough and was ready to pack up and go. Luckily lunch break came and a fantastic gamer, who taught me quite a bit about the gaming community and mathhammer, came up to me and asked if I'd like to go to a vegan restaurant. Specifically to get away from the very large man. He told me to calm down and let the big guy stress himself and not me. After the break I took his advice and due to a much clearer head gained victory.
However there are always going to be losers. Once I played a teen who had an "iron cross, it's not nazis" army... yet he constantly bragged about his german ancestry. He goes first to place terrain and puts a bunker in his deployment. Then surrounds the bunker with forest templates. Then puts his whole army in the forest/bunker. I being a simple friendly gamer put my terrain in a basic spread. After a few turns I just said to hell with it and just packed up my models. I haven't seen this kid in years but if I ever run across him again I would refuse any games.
Also I'd have to say most children...
I won't play a kid more than once if he doesn't have the right attidude and stays focused. Sure I need a smoke a few times a game but I'm not listening to convos across the room and then leave the table to go put my 2 cents in where it wasn't wanted in the first place.
Howard A Treesong wrote:The BNP are scum, far right wing racists and bigots, the closest we've got to a nazi party, fortunately they haven't got any seats in Parliament. Far from just disagreeing with them, any decent person wouldn't even associate with them.
I think its a sad state of affairs when you think its you that decide who is decent and who is not. I take people at face value when playing warhammer. The only bigot I can see is you.
I'm the 'bigot' because I call a spade a spade when we're talking about BNP supporters. A political party that restricts its members list to white-only people. You want to defend people like that against my 'bigotry', we'll just have to disagree. I would not choose to spend my social time with them.
Howard A Treesong wrote:The BNP are scum, far right wing racists and bigots, the closest we've got to a nazi party, fortunately they haven't got any seats in Parliament. Far from just disagreeing with them, any decent person wouldn't even associate with them.
I think its a sad state of affairs when you think its you that decide who is decent and who is not. I take people at face value when playing warhammer. The only bigot I can see is you.
Wow, how the hell did i miss this?! Have a look at the BNP, a REAL look, then try asking who gets to decide who is decent and who isn't...
This comment has nothing to do with Warhammer, and rightly shouldn't since it isn't anything to do with the game. it DOES however touch on a political party who's main 'theme' is that of racism, and therefore is a perfectly valid point when considering choosing an opponent to play.
learn what you are talking about before you comment.
Legion of Damnation wrote:I have Teclis in my HE list because I like the fluff behind him. Am I TFG? Seriously though, some of these people sound like right disagreeable chaps. I'm glad I didn't have too many at my old FLGS.
Well that depends, what else is in your list. Is he in a huge unit of pheonix guard with the banner of the world dragon and whatever else people hate about him? If so, that doesn't seem to be really fluffy, he'd probably hang with a different special choice of yours.
a political party who's main 'theme' is that of racism
So being concerned about the demographic and cultural damage to one's country being done by unchecked third world immigration, PC-gone-nuts laws, and the utter failure of multi-culturalism is somehow "racist"? (whatever that over-used marxist contruct of a word means anyway...) Is it any wonder that over-use and mis-use of the term has caused accusations of "racism" to become pretty meaningless when it comes to political discussion? "Racist" has become today's version of the "N-word". It's a nasty little slur designed and used to marginalize and silence whole groups of people. I look forward to the day when people who use it as a "shut up word" are considered as much of outcasts as those who use racial slurs in polite conversation.
and therefore is a perfectly valid point when considering choosing an opponent to play.
Really? So your wargaming opponents have to pass some sort of political litmus test? Ideally you should never know what your opponent's political views are unless he feels the need to preach at the gaming table. If he does something like that, then he's crossed the line into being rude and engaging in inapropriate behavior regardless of the specifics of his politics. That would be the case no matter what his views were. As for me, I judge my opponents on how they behave in the social setting of the game table and how they interact with me, rather than say "Oh noes! He's a mean ol' poopyhead with politics I disagree with! I can't play him now!" Which aproach is the more mature and reasonable?
Trench-Raider wrote:So being concerned about the demographic and cultural damage to one's country being done by unchecked third world immigration, PC-gone-nuts laws, and the utter failure of multi-culturalism is somehow "racist"?
No, they fact they fought hard through the courts to preserve the part of their constitution which says only white people can join their party makes them racist. How much more clear cut does it need to be? You need to make an examination of their conduct over several years before leaping to their defence.
I don't want to de-rail the thread either, though I thought it was within the topic of the thread. The point was that I don't associate with racists and homophobes, which is what the BNP proudly stand for. I don't want to play TFG down the shop, and I certainly don't want to play games and have a laugh with someone who is a massive bigot and has views that means they would hate a number of my closest friends. I'm certainly not going to argue with some american who doesn't have a clue about the background of the BNP but leaps in thinking he's taking the high ground by arguing against 'political correctness'. The leader of the BNP has been seen meeting senior members of the KKK in the past, these are the sorts of people we're talking about, but if you want to claim my stance basically amounts to needlessly calling them a 'poopyhead' then it's really not worth my time.
Here you go your having a good time at a tournament suddenly your up against super cheater. He over moves, then deny's it. Rolls dice where you can't see them and picks them up calling them hits, etc. Stop playing, get the manager, and report it. If nothing is done about it no problem. Begin to cheat the guy back even harder than he was cheating you. Ignore him when he complains. Let him throw a temper tantrum if he wants. You'll shortly hit a point where he will refuse to continue playing. Ask him repeatedly "Are you going to play?" blah blah your a blah blah. "Yes or no are you going to play?" Usually at that point he'll be so red-faced mad he'll just quit. If not simply keep at it until he refuses to play. Then go get your scorecard, and mark down the highest score...why? He forfeits if he refuses to play.
Other possibility he gets so upset the manager comes over, and then he tells him that your cheating. Just look dead at the manager, and say "I'm not doing anything he's not doing." and smile...smugly. At that point worse case scenario the manager will call the game a draw, might give you both a loss. So be it.
NEVER NEVER NEVER at a tournament hand a game over to a cheater simply because you can't stand to play him anymore. First report, then do it worse than he is. Cheaters can't stand to be cheated...funny and ironic. Typically what this guy wants is to drive you up the wall, and make you quit. Free win for him.
Swan-of-War wrote:Have you guys all just started playing? Springing Special Characters on an opponent without telling them beforehand is considered bad form. Most are grossly over-powered and game changing in and of themselves, which is why most tournaments disallow them.
That said, if you've discussed it with your opponent beforehand and they've had a chance to include one / alter their list accordingly, then knock yourself out.
I...can't tell if you are serious, trolling or some manner of time traveller from 2002.
Special characters have been 100% accepted in all levels of gaming for the better part of 5+ years. Hell, I'd go so far as to say they are EXPECTED.
The poster I was responding to named off Fantasy special characters, hence I'm talking about Fantasy.
Try to keep up.
If this is about fantasy then maybe take it to the fantasy forums. If nobody has noticed this is the 40k forums.....Just saying.
No it isn't, this is Dakka Discussions - if you want to make it specifically 40k then take it to the 40k section.... Just saying.
Ok, last comment from me on this side dicussion. Don't act suprised, people. Pretty much all long threads contain at least one off topic side discussion that the participants get drawn into. This one is just a little out of ordinary because of the topic.
I'm certainly not going to argue with some american who doesn't have a clue about the background of the BNP but leaps in thinking he's taking the high ground by arguing against 'political correctness'
So, just because I live in the US, I'm totally clueless about British politics and current events? I suppose you regard me as a "clueless bloody yank", right? Who's stereotyping now? You do realise that there is this useful little tool we have now that allows a person to educate themselves on topics they have no direct involvment in. It's called the "internet". You might have heard of it. In any event do you REALLY think that someone like me (that is to say a political junky with a keen interest in the plight of the West in regard to demographic displacement, imigration, etc) is actually "clueless" in regards to the BNP? The fact of the matter is that I have been quite aware of the party and it's platform for over ten years now. I'm also aware of it's history and the baggage it brings to the table. It also might suprise you that I actually attended a speach and Q&A session that Mr. Griffith gave here in the States a few years back.
But never mind all that. I don't have a clue.
I'm also quite aware that the British press is if anything worse that what we have here in the US in having a left leaning slant and an agenda. So perhaps it's not all your fault. No matter. It's not my place to try to educate you. That's something you have to do on your own....
Cheers. You may now have the last word.
I'm nice that way.
OK, back to your regularly scheduled discussion about TFG and similar issues!
Wagguy80 wrote: NEVER NEVER NEVER at a tournament hand a game over to a cheater simply because you can't stand to play him anymore. First report, then do it worse than he is. Cheaters can't stand to be cheated...funny and ironic. Typically what this guy wants is to drive you up the wall, and make you quit. Free win for him.
This actually happened to my group, there was a player at a local tourney that clearly was non stop "cheater" and we ended up complaining to the "Leader" (see below) 3 of us played the guy and each of ended up stop playing him in the middle of round because everything he did was wrong and the guy ended up winning the tournament because of it. Even though one of our players and the same win record (legally) and better play scores. The guy kept the award because at that point we just wanted to leave on how poorly everything was handled.... We notified the shop owner / Convention organizer and my group never went back for a very long time.
Here is a few we normally have to deal with...
"Baller" Great kid that doesn't have a good grasp of the game and normally will lose the game. His lost is normally followed by how great your army is and nice to play you.. But he has a B.O. problem and has a tenancy during the game to reach inside his pants and "adjust" himself numerous times and then want to help move your stuff.. He is old enough person to know that he is in a public place and things like showering is a norm for most people. He is a social misfit and does other things that your parents taught you not to do in public.
"The Leader" Another nice guy, but is clueless. Always working with the store owner / Convention Organizer to run events and they usually have random obscure rules that you get surprised with right before the game. Doesn't have a good grasp of the rules and enjoys "fun arguments" that end with a buddy or his side winning. When you show him the rule, it is followed up with "we don't play it that way" or "I already made the call against you" I have noticed the standard game night still have the same amount of people, but the tournaments/ special game events that involve his group is starting to get very low attendance. I feel bad for the store owner..you have someone that wants to support a game you have a ton of money already invested in.. but it causes no one to want to play the game if the guy or his group is running it.
"Cheater" Haven't seen him around lately.. But the guy has everything primed black, his army lists are hand wrote in a language only he understands, his army lists are usually over the total amount if you can figure it out by what he has on the table. Anything you can possibly do to cheat ...fast dice rolls the whole lot...at one point after a number of complaints I think the store owner banded him for a short while.
"Cheese Master" Great player understands every single rule in the game and uses it to his full advantage. He is there to win, there is no friendly games. Every list he uses is one of the top three internet broken lists of the month. Maybe he is like this due to the group he normally plays with.
Genoside07 wrote:
"Baller" Great kid that doesn't have a good grasp of the game and normally will lose the game. His lost is normally followed by how great your army is and nice to play you.. But he has a B.O. problem and has a tenancy during the game to reach inside his pants and "adjust" himself numerous times and then want to help move your stuff.. He is old enough person to know that he is in a public place and things like showering is a norm for most people. He is a social misfit and does other things that your parents taught you not to do in public.
"The Leader" Another nice guy, but is clueless. Always working with the store owner / Convention Organizer to run events and they usually have random obscure rules that you get surprised with right before the game. Doesn't have a good grasp of the rules and enjoys "fun arguments" that end with a buddy or his side winning. When you show him the rule, it is followed up with "we don't play it that way" or "I already made the call against you" I have noticed the standard game night still have the same amount of people, but the tournaments/ special game events that involve his group is starting to get very low attendance. I feel bad for the store owner..you have someone that wants to support a game you have a ton of money already invested in.. but it causes no one to want to play the game if the guy or his group is running it.
"Cheater" Haven't seen him around lately.. But the guy has everything primed black, his army lists are hand wrote in a language only he understands, his army lists are usually over the total amount if you can figure it out by what he has on the table. Anything you can possibly do to cheat ...fast dice rolls the whole lot...at one point after a number of complaints I think the store owner banded him for a short while.
"Cheese Master" Great player understands every single rule in the game and uses it to his full advantage. He is there to win, there is no friendly games. Every list he uses is one of the top three internet broken lists of the month. Maybe he is like this due to the group he normally plays with.
I think you have pegged all of the character types for TFG. LOL well done
Trench-Raider wrote: Ok, last comment from me on this side dicussion. Don't act suprised, people. Pretty much all long threads contain at least one off topic side discussion that the participants get drawn into. This one is just a little out of ordinary because of the topic.
I'm certainly not going to argue with some american who doesn't have a clue about the background of the BNP but leaps in thinking he's taking the high ground by arguing against 'political correctness'
So, just because I live in the US, I'm totally clueless about British politics and current events? I suppose you regard me as a "clueless bloody yank", right? Who's stereotyping now? You do realise that there is this useful little tool we have now that allows a person to educate themselves on topics they have no direct involvment in. It's called the "internet". You might have heard of it. In any event do you REALLY think that someone like me (that is to say a political junky with a keen interest in the plight of the West in regard to demographic displacement, imigration, etc) is actually "clueless" in regards to the BNP? The fact of the matter is that I have been quite aware of the party and it's platform for over ten years now. I'm also aware of it's history and the baggage it brings to the table. It also might suprise you that I actually attended a speach and Q&A session that Mr. Griffith gave here in the States a few years back.
But never mind all that. I don't have a clue.
I'm also quite aware that the British press is if anything worse that what we have here in the US in having a left leaning slant and an agenda. So perhaps it's not all your fault. No matter. It's not my place to try to educate you. That's something you have to do on your own....
Cheers. You may now have the last word.
I'm nice that way.
OK, back to your regularly scheduled discussion about TFG and similar issues!
TR
You educate yourself on the BNP and still go and hear Nick Griffin speak - surely you are aware of the irony in that context?
The one and only Q&A session I have ever seen a memeber of the BNP in (Nick Griffin on Question Time) resulted in the almost complete reversal of any gains they had made as political party in the previous decade.
They say feth all grows in the shade, and in this case it wilted in the glare of public scrutiny.
Anyway not playing someone because they something you find distasteful is the normal course of thisng I would imagine, whether they have the right to say so is irrelevent as the end result is the same.
Reporting these politics posts now, since god help you if you don't get the last word in an INTERNET ARGUMENT.
The only time I have vowed to not play against anyone is essentially a sort of hybrid of cheater and rules lawyer. I'm sure you know the type. When it is my turn, every move and rule is scrutinized and picked over with a fine tooth comb. When it comes to his turn, it is fast, loose and always a lot more easygoing when it comes to the rules.
I refused to play against someone because he kept posting about politics in a TFG thread on Dakka.
When I played CCGs, there was a TFG that would cheat. We used card sleeves to keep the cards from getting damage from handling. This guy had marked the sleeves in the foil stamp that was on the back of the sleeves. It let him track certain cards in this deck. Anyway, after he was caught, we made a local rule for our tournaments that if your sleeves had foil or other marks on them, you had to put that on the front of the card.
because it made me realize there's no point to any hobby unless you are having /fun/ with said hobby.
so 
A mate of mine played him once also and after my mate had moved his 
