I've been wondering if anyone on Dakka is a shooting enthusiast, and if they are, what do they shoot? I don't bother with pellet or paintball, too much money for 'play-shooting', and it's more of a moral thing of shooting living things I don't intend to kill.
I use a S&W 9mm (older version of the current 3913) and .45 Colt Blackhawk (some off-beat 3rd company reproduction) for target shooting and competition shooting (the 9mm). Currently looking at AR's and their various incarnations; the M4 or M16 variants are what I'm debating on. I also joined a local group of guys that deal directly with older weapons and have a program that enables members to purchase M1 Garand's at a discounted price, depending on their states of repair or disrepair.
So, what do you all use?
P.S. If anyone know's from experience if it's worth building your own rifle piece by piece or if getting an already built weapon is the better way to go, I'd love the input.
Just turned 21 a few months ago, bought a Classic .22 P226 w/ beavertail for a little under 600. Plan on purchasing an upgrade kit for a larger caliber when I get the money.
Family portrait. Adding a custom built .308 based on the Rem 700 action next year as my project rifle for Trade School, might add a M-1 Garand within the next few months if the VA actually gets around to paying me.
I own a few firearms. Would one day like to expand my collection quite a bit. Currently I own...
Armalite AR-10A2 with an ACOG scope attached to the carry handle.
New England Firearms .20 Guage single shot break action
Ithaca .20 Gauge Pump Action
Next year I'm hoping to get stationed in a state that's a bit friendlier to gun ownership, and then I plan on picking up a handgun. Not sure of what type yet.
@Mattman I agree, the .40 I've found to be not much worse than my 9. Friend of mine just purchased the M9 in .40, great weapon with minimal kick and you're still throwing a substantial round downrange.
@KMarine Nice collection you've got there! I'm particularly fond of the 1911. Is it a 45?
@Shadowseer I've had the chance to use the Judge, I liked it. Especially with the ability to use 4-10 shotgun rounds AND 45s.
I have a Nerf Jolt and two Nerf Mavericks. They're fun and all, and I enjoy shooting air rifles when I can do it, but I don't really like the idea of holding something that can actually kill someone (including myself) so easily. Also it's kind of illegal for me to have a gun. I'm also of the opinion that the best defence is really really quick running.
Frankenberry wrote: @Mattman I agree, the .40 I've found to be not much worse than my 9. Friend of mine just purchased the M9 in .40, great weapon with minimal kick and you're still throwing a substantial round downrange.
@KMarine Nice collection you've got there! I'm particularly fond of the 1911. Is it a 45?
@Shadowseer I've had the chance to use the Judge, I liked it. Especially with the ability to use 4-10 shotgun rounds AND 45s.
.45 ACP, 8 rounds of lovely hollow point action for any goblins who want to come get some.
Goliath wrote: I have a Nerf Jolt and two Nerf Mavericks.
They're fun and all, and I enjoy shooting when I can do it, but I don't really like the idea of holding something that can kill someone (including myself) so easily.
Also it's kind of illegal for me to have a gun.
Exactly, you bunch of insecure warmongers! And you don't need any of those to hunt with!
I prefer 9mm to .40 currently. I'm not seeing the performance difference, and there are lots of cheap manufacturers. Having said that, I starting to see UMC bulk boxes for them recently, so thats a start.
Goliath wrote: I have a Nerf Jolt and two Nerf Mavericks.
They're fun and all, and I enjoy shooting air rifles when I can do it, but I don't really like the idea of holding something that can actually kill someone (including myself) so easily.
Also it's kind of illegal for me to have a gun.
I'm also of the opinion that the best defence is really really quick running.
Mavericks? Are those the revolver type? I have one of those as well! Also a Retaliator.
Goliath wrote:I'm also of the opinion that the best defence is really really quick running.
Go on...
To be fair, every time I've ended up in a fight it has been against more than one person, and I've been very weedy most of my life so my fight or flight is sort of stuck on Flight.
The only times I actually try and hit people are when I go absolutely mental, in which cases I was almost suspended a couple of times.
So yeah, I know it isn't the bravest thing for me to do, but it has almost become an instinct, and when I don't run I end up getting in more trouble than the person who started the fight. (bear in mind I'm 18 and only left school a few months ago, so haven't really had any fights that werent in school or with kids)
I've fired all kinds of rifles and pistols, I didn't like the FAMAS because it was al short and weedy feeling, the lefty switch for the cocking handle was a good idea, but I also didn't like the way it is bizarrely loud compared to the various ARs and the AK series.
To be honest though, I've never really understood the serious hard-ons some people get for firearms, I've probably fired about 15 different types of pistol and rifle, and putting one or two aside I would be pretty happy with most modern rifles and pistols, people talk about the Glock 30s being reliable and the H&K P9S shooting like a dream and they all of their own personal preferences, but there aren't many I've fired and felt uncomfortable using.
If I was buying I'd probably draw up a short list of about 10 and just buy the one I could get the cheapest... maybe thats because I'm more of a tight bastard than an enthusiast.
So I say pick a bunch you are happy with, its not hard to do, and then get the best deal.
Discussion aside, I never got to fire a Desert Eagle.. I am visiting a friend in Oklahoma next year, and hope to be able to use one to blast some cricket ball sized lumps out of a wild boar.
Oh and then Im fething off to Argentina to shoot a cow with a bazooka.
I love my Glocks. True, it has the styling of a brick, a trigger like a staple gun, and some people don't like the grip angle. Despite all that the weapon fires every time I put my booger hook on the bang button, and that counts for something.
Shooting a lot of .40 lately because it's cheaper, but I like a 10mm to carry. That round will stop a fight right now, and isn't bouncing off your windshield or car doors either.
For rifles I like to get something already together. On the AR platform you *can* get all the pieces and build it yourself but with stuff like the Rock River out there, you are so close to a good target platform right out of the box it's worth a little extra for the no hassle factor. Just throw a buttstock weight in it, maybe pin the rear sight if you are into that and you're good to go. I shoot service rifle and the AR-15 will make a decent shooter out of a hack like me, and in better hands are match winners.
Notice a lot of people with AR's. Just throwing it out that one of the cleaning point thats neglected is the gas system exhaust points. Paper clip size hole. Just punch it through. Perfect example is on your forward assist.
Colt 1911 combat commander (.45) and a Mossberg 500 (12 gauge) shotgun. I would like to get a 9mm at some point if only because .45 ammo is a lot more expensive. There are a couple 22 rifles at my grandmother's place that my dad used to teach me to shoot. Cans/plastic bottles filled with water are kind of awesome for target shooting.
Goliath wrote:I'm also of the opinion that the best defence is really really quick running.
Go on...
To be fair, every time I've ended up in a fight it has been against more than one person, and I've been very weedy most of my life so my fight or flight is sort of stuck on Flight.
The only times I actually try and hit people are when I go absolutely mental, in which cases I was almost suspended a couple of times.
So yeah, I know it isn't the bravest thing for me to do, but it has almost become an instinct, and when I don't run I end up getting in more trouble than the person who started the fight. (bear in mind I'm 18 and only left school a few months ago, so haven't really had any fights that werent in school or with kids)
What does getting ina fight have to do with firearms, you warmonger?
Aggie and Longhorn have words in a bar.
Aggie asks the Longhorn if he wants to step outside and they do.
Aggie pulls out a switchblad and tells the Longhorn he's done.
Long replies 'just like an Aggie, bring a knife to a gunfight."
Cougar appears, and robs both of them at gunpoint. Stupid college boys.
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Frankenberry wrote: @Frazzled Yeah, an AR-15 clone of some sort. Not looking to spend more than 1300 total, which means less-than-fantastic optics, or so I've noticed.
I'm pretty sure no one can outrun one of my 9mms, just sayin'.
I'd suggest, if it were me anyway, get a moderately price AR 15 clone (this is not my bailiwick on mopderately priced ones - Ruger? ) easy trigger job if needed, and spend your big bucks on good optics. Maybe even used rifle with a new scope.
M4 with ACOG with all the goody attachments I'm use to
M1 carbine
38 special
Winchester replica
3 shotguns praticuly antiques that belong to my wife grandfather
looking at a hand weapon probaly 40 cal type to purchase soon one that my wife comfy with
@Frazzled I was considering something used, but the voice in my head tells me that if I'm spending a thousand, and the new one is 1200...why not buy something new, y'know?
As for the different brands, everyone makes an AR clone, so it doesn't really matter I suppose. I was also considering kitting it out to use 30-06 instead of the standard .223. More punch.
Frankenberry wrote: @Frazzled I was considering something used, but the voice in my head tells me that if I'm spending a thousand, and the new one is 1200...why not buy something new, y'know?
As for the different brands, everyone makes an AR clone, so it doesn't really matter I suppose. I was also considering kitting it out to use 30-06 instead of the standard .223. More punch.
.308 or 30-06. I'd not heard of an AR15 clone in 30-06. Did not think possible.
Yea, I'm just more about the optics as I can see the broad side of a barn at this point.
@Frazzled Yeah, I wasn't aware that you could change an AR to a .308/30-06 until recently. From what I understand it's a new barrel and some modifications to the upper. Then again, if I'm going to make it custom, why not just build the whole thing from the ground up. Lol.
Frankenberry wrote: @Frazzled Yeah, I wasn't aware that you could change an AR to a .308/30-06 until recently. From what I understand it's a new barrel and some modifications to the upper. Then again, if I'm going to make it custom, why not just build the whole thing from the ground up. Lol.
Decisions decisions.
The AR-15 in .308 is called an AR-10. I've never heard of a 30-06 version. That is a big bullet, i'm not sure the rifle itself is big enough for it.
If your looking for stopping power, the .308 is all you will need. I punched a whole clean through a 600lb hog with one, even went through one of her shoulders.
Frankenberry wrote: @Frazzled Yeah, an AR-15 clone of some sort. Not looking to spend more than 1300 total, which means less-than-fantastic optics, or so I've noticed.
Frankenberry wrote: @Frazzled Yeah, an AR-15 clone of some sort. Not looking to spend more than 1300 total, which means less-than-fantastic optics, or so I've noticed.
Frankenberry wrote: @Frazzled Yeah, I wasn't aware that you could change an AR to a .308/30-06 until recently. From what I understand it's a new barrel and some modifications to the upper. Then again, if I'm going to make it custom, why not just build the whole thing from the ground up. Lol.
Decisions decisions.
The AR-15 in .308 is called an AR-10. I've never heard of a 30-06 version. That is a big bullet, i'm not sure the rifle itself is big enough for it.
If your looking for stopping power, the .308 is all you will need. I punched a whole clean through a 600lb hog with one, even went through one of her shoulders.
Ayah, thats an AR-10 (was remarking about the 30-06). Frankly a .308 has classic 30-06 characteristics (was meant to be), so I'd just go with an AR-10 vs. some weird piece of kit, unless you already have a 30-06 and want to keep the same caliber.
Frankenberry wrote: @Frazzled Yeah, an AR-15 clone of some sort. Not looking to spend more than 1300 total, which means less-than-fantastic optics, or so I've noticed.
Optics?!?
Real men use peep sights.
You young whippers snappers and your optimum vision. Pah!
Frankenberry wrote: @Frazzled Yeah, an AR-15 clone of some sort. Not looking to spend more than 1300 total, which means less-than-fantastic optics, or so I've noticed.
Optics?!?
Real men use peep sights.
You can rig it up so you can use both. I have.
I actually have a .22 like that. The wife likes the iron sights better. I do too for faster firing and initial sight in of the scope. For some reason I can never sight that scope in between range trips. I blame the user who mounted the scope.
mattyrm wrote:
So I say pick a bunch you are happy with, its not hard to do, and then get the best deal.
Solid advise, I actually pick a list of features and a desired price point, the end result is the same, but I seldom shiop for guns. Most I buy when I spot a deal and my mental BBoGs screams buy.
Oh and then Im fething off to Argentina to shoot a cow with a bazooka.
While you're in the area you could probably find some employment in Brazil, I hear they are in need of men with your....skills.
Frankenberry wrote:@Frazzled Yeah, I wasn't aware that you could change an AR to a .308/30-06 until recently. From what I understand it's a new barrel and some modifications to the upper. Then again, if I'm going to make it custom, why not just build the whole thing from the ground up. Lol.
Decisions decisions.
Lets go ahead and stop this bus right now. 30-06 and 308 are not synonymous. (period). There is one and only one AR that chambers 30/06. It requires a dedicated lower to accommodate the addition 11mm difference between 06 and 308. If in a lets pretend world you chambered an AR-10 barrel to 30-06 and made any modifications short of cutting the upper receiver in half and lengthening it you wouldn't be able to stroke a 30-06 round from the standard AR-10 mag well it wouldn't fit in.
Frankenberry wrote: @Frazzled Yeah, an AR-15 clone of some sort. Not looking to spend more than 1300 total, which means less-than-fantastic optics, or so I've noticed.
Optics?!?
Real men use peep sights.
You can rig it up so you can use both. I have.
I actually have a .22 like that. The wife likes the iron sights better. I do too for faster firing and initial sight in of the scope. For some reason I can never sight that scope in between range trips. I blame the user who mounted the scope.
Despite my severe myopia I prefer iron sights too, I'm putting tech sights on my 10-22T because I'm finally tired of the novelty of a scoped 10-22 (always wanted one as a kid and we were too poor).
Your scope base is probably loose Frazz, or the rings are no lined up on the rails right. There's plenty of other causes but I'd check there first and bed the rail while you're at it.
mattyrm wrote:
So I say pick a bunch you are happy with, its not hard to do, and then get the best deal.
Solid advise, I actually pick a list of features and a desired price point, the end result is the same, but I seldom shiop for guns. Most I buy when I spot a deal and my mental BBoGs screams buy.
Oh and then Im fething off to Argentina to shoot a cow with a bazooka.
While you're in the area you could probably find some employment in Brazil, I hear they are in need of men with your....skills.
Frankenberry wrote:@Frazzled Yeah, I wasn't aware that you could change an AR to a .308/30-06 until recently. From what I understand it's a new barrel and some modifications to the upper. Then again, if I'm going to make it custom, why not just build the whole thing from the ground up. Lol.
Decisions decisions.
Lets go ahead and stop this bus right now. 30-06 and 308 are not synonymous. (period). There is one and only one AR that chambers 30/06. It requires a dedicated lower to accommodate the addition 11mm difference between 06 and 308. If in a lets pretend world you chambered an AR-10 barrel to 30-06 and made any modifications short of cutting the upper receiver in half and lengthening it you wouldn't be able to stroke a 30-06 round from the standard AR-10 mag well it wouldn't fit in.
Are you saying you would have problems stroking it?
There are multiple AR-10s/ .308 caliber semis out there now: M1 (Springfield, Fulton), FN types (including CETME), AR-10 (Les Baer, Fulton, Armalite), There's the new FN SCAR which I think is also in .308 but blocked at work frm checking. I saw one at the range Saturday and it looked quite nice, although I was liking the Springifled 1903 in the booth next to him more.
Frankenberry wrote: @Frazzled Yeah, an AR-15 clone of some sort. Not looking to spend more than 1300 total, which means less-than-fantastic optics, or so I've noticed.
Optics?!?
Real men use peep sights.
You can rig it up so you can use both. I have.
I actually have a .22 like that. The wife likes the iron sights better. I do too for faster firing and initial sight in of the scope. For some reason I can never sight that scope in between range trips. I blame the user who mounted the scope.
Despite my severe myopia I prefer iron sights too, I'm putting tech sights on my 10-22T because I'm finally tired of the novelty of a scoped 10-22 (always wanted one as a kid and we were too poor).
Your scope base is probably loose Frazz, or the rings are no lined up on the rails right. There's plenty of other causes but I'd check there first and bed the rail while you're at it.
Probably rails aren't aligned right. I was never taught shooting with a scope, much less mounting rings etc. but age has caught up with me, hence me being so focused on pistols now.
I was going to quote this solely to call BS on you, knowing from other threads your current (?) or previous profession.
My wife and I currently "only" own a Remington R1 1911 in .45. Essentially, it was her choice, because she demanded that the first pistol we bought for home defense was one that she could operate easily (and still have a decent enough round to feth up whatever it touches)
Eventually, I will add an STI 1911, as I love the accuracy of those things, over just about every other 1911 I've fired. Also on my "to do list" of guns, is to get one of them bullpup ARs like the ones the Israeli's use, probably settle for a true M-4 clone though.
I have quite a few firearms. My favorite is my Ruger 300 win/mag. Gotta hold her like ya love her. It's older than I am, and still drives nails for the first two shots. *after the 2nd shot the barrels heated and throws accuracy off a bit... even with a floated barrel.*
I shocked to see how many users flock to the AR style reciever... after my time in the Army; I swore I would sell it if anyone gave one to me.
gregor_xenos wrote: I have quite a few firearms. My favorite is my Ruger 300 win/mag. Gotta hold her like ya love her. It's older than I am, and still drives nails for the first two shots. *after the 2nd shot the barrels heated and throws accuracy off a bit... even with a floated barrel.*
I shocked to see how many users flock to the AR style reciever... after my time in the Army; I swore I would sell it if anyone gave one to me.
This is why I don't really want a "standard issue" US AR, I've looked around, and I mean, I'd "settle" for one, but it's not my ideal choice.
I'm mainly into airsoft, because it is really freaking fun, but I own a few real guns as well, which I have exclusively for target shooting and historical value (Liberals with guns FTW!). I do a bit of squirrel hunting on occasion as well.
I like black powder stuff quite a lot.
I've got an Uberti 1861 cap and ball revolver, a .50 cal black powder Plains pistol, and a tiny, .40 cal black powder derringer.
The three shell firing guns I own are a Mosin Nagant (year 1942. freaking awesome) and a Nagant Revolver. I also have a .22 rifle and I will be getting an Enfield at the gigantic Tulsa gun show coming up.
Nagant revolvers are awesome, btw. They are only around $100, and they are cool pieces of history that are generally in excellent condition, and the ammo is quite easy to find actually. I plink with the thing all the time.
Wasn't there already a thread on this? Oh well, don't care to dig it up. To date, my "collection" includes:
S&W M&P15 - EOTech XPS2-0, Troy folding front and rear sights, Troy railed forend, Magpul ACS-L stock, Magpul enhanced trigger guard (gotta get them gloved fingers in there), Magpul MOE pistol grip, Magpul AFG2, and charging handle with an oversized latch from Badger.
Delton AR-15 of some sort - Magpul MOE forend, EOTech 512, Magpul MOE pistol grip and enhanced trigger guard.
Glock 19 - 3rd gen. Nothing special, just for carry.
Glock 17 - 4th gen. Factory night sights.
Remington 870 and 870P - First one is for bird hunting. The latter for home defense. Nothing special on it but a side saddle and the 18" barrel.
Remington 700P - Harris bipod and Millet 4-16x50 scope.
WASR 10/63 - Every man needs an AK in his life.
CZ 75 P-07 - Really not sure why I have this, nice pistol though, chambered in 9mm.
Springfield 1903 Mk1 - Really low serial number, in the 1xxxxxx range. All original, manufactured December of 1918.
Tomorrow, I pick up an Polish M44 in VERY good condition.
Frankenberry wrote: @Frazzled Yeah, an AR-15 clone of some sort. Not looking to spend more than 1300 total, which means less-than-fantastic optics, or so I've noticed.
I have
Glock 21
Mark 3 target pistol with red dot sight
Xd .40
Ruger p95
870 with goodies
10/22 target rifle scoped. Good gun.
Custom rifle in .308. (Close to what I used in USMC when I was a scout sniper)
M4 with all the standard add ons.
High point .45 carbine. (Also a good gun)
Old 30.06 (made in 1913)
I think that's all of them.
CrashUSAR wrote: Frazzled, I reccomend the Millet that I mentioned on my 700. It's a lovely scope, and not a wallet-breaker.
As for Asherian's post, are we listing ALL weapons, or just firearms, here?
Thanks! I'll have the rings professionally installed this time too!
Strange Q but anyone know where you can get a reconditioned springfield 1903 with new barrel?
I was going to quote this solely to call BS on you, knowing from other threads your current (?) or previous profession.
My wife and I currently "only" own a Remington R1 1911 in .45. Essentially, it was her choice, because she demanded that the first pistol we bought for home defense was one that she could operate easily (and still have a decent enough round to feth up whatever it touches)
Eventually, I will add an STI 1911, as I love the accuracy of those things, over just about every other 1911 I've fired. Also on my "to do list" of guns, is to get one of them bullpup ARs like the ones the Israeli's use, probably settle for a true M-4 clone though.
I was somewhat less than serious.
A Tavor? I don't know if I'd walk down that road.
CrashUSAR wrote: Frazzled, I reccomend the Millet that I mentioned on my 700. It's a lovely scope, and not a wallet-breaker.
As for Asherian's post, are we listing ALL weapons, or just firearms, here?
Thanks! I'll have the rings professionally installed this time too!
Strange Q but anyone know where you can get a reconditioned springfield 1903 with new barrel?
@the Millet...meh. There's a lot of scopes in that price range, most of which I put before Millet. They are backed by a Bushnell warranty though.
@1903 How much are you looking to pay? These days an originial 1903 can fetch a pretty penny. Expect a refurbished and rebarreled 03 to run no less than a grand.
I was somewhat less than serious.
A Tavor? I don't know if I'd walk down that road.
Why not? Supposedly, from watching Future Weapons, it has the barrel length of a full M-16, giving plenty of accuracy, plus the bullpup brings the balance in closer to the torso. I really am not worried too much about it ATM, as the last range we had (I am not deploying so didn't care much), I used my buddies M-4, with his zero and still shot a 36 on paper qual, lol. There was a dude the next lane over on his 4th try up there, with an ACOG trying to get 40, his best all day was 36. So, yeah, ultimately, if I can manage it I'll probably just get a 556 M4 with a toy or two added on, since ammo is spendy for those.
Colt m4 carbine that I have chambered in .22 so I can go shoot 2500 rounds on a trip and still afford gas to get home, has some updated furniture but nothing special
30-06 bolt action rifle from sears that I inherited
30-30 lever action (I love this rifle)
20 guage semi auto shotgun
.22 Remington that is the gun I learned to shoot with
.284 Winchester bolt action, hard to find ammo but great long gun
.22 rifle that was my dads first gun, bolt action
.44 mag single action, also inherited
.357 s&w revolver with a nice trigger job
9mm derringer that my wife sometimes carrys
Taurus model 65 .357 with scope
And soon to have a m9a1 to add because its what I qualified Navy pistol team on and it fits my hand like a glove
As far as prepping I have about 500 ends of ammo for all the above, but I am from Texas, that's what we do.
Dunno what exactly your looking for but there's a shop here selling Romanian AK's with 3 steel mags, ammo pouches, a bayonet (because you need one!) A sling and some other stuff for like 750 out the door. Ammo is dirt cheap, especially compared to .223. Not to mention, there is an abundance of stuff for it considering in some countries they are literally falling out of trees.
I just thought it was funny, those were the words of the employee who was showing me the deal: "your ak also comes with a bayonet, because you need one!" As if stating fact. I laughed but he still looked serious lol
IronWarLeg wrote: I just thought it was funny, those were the words of the employee who was showing me the deal: "your ak also comes with a bayonet, because you need one!" As if stating fact. I laughed but he still looked serious lol
Was this in a gun shop? Don't ever listen to anyone in a gun shop. Larry Vickers could walk into a gun shop and I'd ignore everything he told me.
IronWarLeg wrote: I just thought it was funny, those were the words of the employee who was showing me the deal: "your ak also comes with a bayonet, because you need one!" As if stating fact. I laughed but he still looked serious lol
Was this in a gun shop? Don't ever listen to anyone in a gun shop. Larry Vickers could walk into a gun shop and I'd ignore everything he told me.
It was in a gun shop, and he was making a sales pitch for the Romanian AK set after I asked if they had a m9a1, was a sales jockey through and through. I do my own research when it comes to firearms, I dont walk in asking to be convinced by a salesman which firearm to buy
Frazzled and any other Dakka member, I'll be training to be a licensed gunsmith through the next two years, and I have to do customer weapon work spring/summer 2015. So if you want to commission a custom rifle or get some work done and don't mind waiting/paying the shipping, etc I'd be happy to do the work for Dakkanaut Gun Nuts.
If you're interested in a custom rifle I'll be posting the full custom .308 I'll be doing for a project rifle early 2015 complete with a range report from the local Police force's marksman unit and possible an army sniper or two from the local base.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Frazzled and any other Dakka member, I'll be training to be a licensed gunsmith through the next two years, and I have to do customer weapon work spring/summer 2015. So if you want to commission a custom rifle or get some work done and don't mind waiting/paying the shipping, etc I'd be happy to do the work for Dakkanaut Gun Nuts.
If you're interested in a custom rifle I'll be posting the full custom .308 I'll be doing for a project rifle early 2015 complete with a range report from the local Police force's marksman unit and possible an army sniper or two from the local base.
IronWarLeg wrote: I just thought it was funny, those were the words of the employee who was showing me the deal: "your ak also comes with a bayonet, because you need one!" As if stating fact. I laughed but he still looked serious lol
Was this in a gun shop? Don't ever listen to anyone in a gun shop. Larry Vickers could walk into a gun shop and I'd ignore everything he told me.
It was in a gun shop, and he was making a sales pitch for the Romanian AK set after I asked if they had a m9a1, was a sales jockey through and through. I do my own research when it comes to firearms, I dont walk in asking to be convinced by a salesman which firearm to buy
I can't wait to open my own store. I HATE how most shop owners do business. For example a female friend of mine was going to go buy herself a handgun for her purse, she'd done her research and decided to look at a couple different semi-autos and a revolver. She brought a male friend along, not because he knew gak about guns he just likes looking at fun toys and wanted to come. The guy selling HER the gun pretty much ignored her and talked to the male friend. Throw in that a lot of us gun guys (guys in this case being used unilaterally to represent all genders, etc) separate out into smaller tribes of gun guy. 1911 guns, Remington guys, Glock guys, etc. That's fine, nothing quite like having a good argument over a beer with a fan of combat tupperware. It becomes a problem when you as a salesman and as someone who is helping someone else purchase a weapon, especially if it's their first gun. You need to leave your biases at the door, listen to your customer and fit the gun to them. There's a guy at another shop in town, no matter what you ask about he'll go off about how great Glocks are. "I'm looking for a snub nosed revolver in .38spl" "Blahblahblah buy a Glock"
Sorry... rant off. Any way throwing in a bayonet should not be a "you need one" selling point it should be a "fun extra that looks cool for photos taken in your living room." point.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Frazzled and any other Dakka member, I'll be training to be a licensed gunsmith through the next two years, and I have to do customer weapon work spring/summer 2015. So if you want to commission a custom rifle or get some work done and don't mind waiting/paying the shipping, etc I'd be happy to do the work for Dakkanaut Gun Nuts.
If you're interested in a custom rifle I'll be posting the full custom .308 I'll be doing for a project rifle early 2015 complete with a range report from the local Police force's marksman unit and possible an army sniper or two from the local base.
You do 1911 work?
I will be, my 1911 in the photo above is going to be my first experiment. She's a Rock River Arms 1911A1 (any one looking at entry level 1911s, look at Rock River, you CANNOT go wrong. I know a couple Kimber owners who actually prefer their Rock Rivers) I'm going to take her down to the frame and install a tuned Wilson Combat trigger, hammer and extended external safety, add a beaver tail grip safety, /maybe/ high vis sights and toss in a match grade barrel for good measure. I'd say I'd throat the barrel and polish the feed ramp but those particular modifications have been needed less and less over the years from what I understand.
On a side note cause the talk of bayos has me thinking, Can any one bloody tell me the point of THESE!?
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Frazzled and any other Dakka member, I'll be training to be a licensed gunsmith through the next two years, and I have to do customer weapon work spring/summer 2015. So if you want to commission a custom rifle or get some work done and don't mind waiting/paying the shipping, etc I'd be happy to do the work for Dakkanaut Gun Nuts.
If you're interested in a custom rifle I'll be posting the full custom .308 I'll be doing for a project rifle early 2015 complete with a range report from the local Police force's marksman unit and possible an army sniper or two from the local base.
2015? Awesome. Wow, GC will be a Jr. in High School, and the Boy will be a Jr. at University in fall 2015.
mattyrm wrote: Discussion aside, I never got to fire a Desert Eagle.. I am visiting a friend in Oklahoma next year, and hope to be able to use one to blast some cricket ball sized lumps out of a wild boar.
I've never understood the allure of the Desert Eagle. I'd shoot one if I got a chance, but I'd shoot anything if I got a chance. Doesn't interest me that much, though.
On a somewhat funny side note, when I was at the shop paying way too much for my P30, a fairly young gentleman came in and requested to see a Desert Eagle. Then he wanted to see an FN P90. Then it was an MP7 (lol). Finally he asked to see "whatever SEALS carry." I believe the guy showed in a Sig P229. I'm pretty sure he got his shopping list from MW3.
mattyrm wrote: Discussion aside, I never got to fire a Desert Eagle.. I am visiting a friend in Oklahoma next year, and hope to be able to use one to blast some cricket ball sized lumps out of a wild boar.
I've never understood the allure of the Desert Eagle. I'd shoot one if I got a chance, but I'd shoot anything if I got a chance. Doesn't interest me that much, though.
On a somewhat funny side note, when I was at the shop paying way too much for my P30, a fairly young gentleman came in and requested to see a Desert Eagle. Then he wanted to see an FN P90. Then it was an MP7 (lol). Finally he asked to see "whatever SEALS carry." I believe the guy showed in a Sig P229. I'm pretty sure he got his shopping list from MW3.
The allure is just that its a ridiculous gun! I wouldnt want to own one, I'd like to blat it at the side of an animal for gaks and giggles though.
mattyrm wrote: Discussion aside, I never got to fire a Desert Eagle.. I am visiting a friend in Oklahoma next year, and hope to be able to use one to blast some cricket ball sized lumps out of a wild boar.
I've never understood the allure of the Desert Eagle. I'd shoot one if I got a chance, but I'd shoot anything if I got a chance. Doesn't interest me that much, though.
On a somewhat funny side note, when I was at the shop paying way too much for my P30, a fairly young gentleman came in and requested to see a Desert Eagle. Then he wanted to see an FN P90. Then it was an MP7 (lol). Finally he asked to see "whatever SEALS carry." I believe the guy showed in a Sig P229. I'm pretty sure he got his shopping list from MW3.
The allure is just that its a ridiculous gun! I wouldnt want to own one, I'd like to blat it at the side of an animal for gaks and giggles though.
Meh. If you're going for ridiculous stupid go for a Casull. Its a revolver until you run out of shells, then it makes a nice battleship anchor.
And here's why I like to make de wimminz shoot magnums:
I was somewhat less than serious.
A Tavor? I don't know if I'd walk down that road.
Why not? Supposedly, from watching Future Weapons, it has the barrel length of a full M-16, giving plenty of accuracy, plus the bullpup brings the balance in closer to the torso. I really am not worried too much about it ATM, as the last range we had (I am not deploying so didn't care much), I used my buddies M-4, with his zero and still shot a 36 on paper qual, lol. There was a dude the next lane over on his 4th try up there, with an ACOG trying to get 40, his best all day was 36. So, yeah, ultimately, if I can manage it I'll probably just get a 556 M4 with a toy or two added on, since ammo is spendy for those.
Most bullpups are carrying at least an M4 barrel if not more in a smaller package, it's the perk of the system. The problem I have is that if the ACR is any indication they wont bering this to market under 1500 and realistically more like 2000. After that you be able to swap optics and that's about it. In an AR platform you have hundreds of manufacturers, thousands of options and a price range from 400-the sky. I have never been a particular fan of Stoner's baby, but it's the best value running in the inflated US market.
KalashnikovMarine wrote:Frazzled and any other Dakka member, I'll be training to be a licensed gunsmith through the next two years, and I have to do customer weapon work spring/summer 2015. So if you want to commission a custom rifle or get some work done and don't mind waiting/paying the shipping, etc I'd be happy to do the work for Dakkanaut Gun Nuts.
If you're interested in a custom rifle I'll be posting the full custom .308 I'll be doing for a project rifle early 2015 complete with a range report from the local Police force's marksman unit and possible an army sniper or two from the local base.
Where are you taking classes and what have you built so far?
KalashnikovMarine wrote:
My friend Nathan has one and it's awful funny looking, but useless beyond humor. His mother got it for him so he's mostly forgiven.
Seaward wrote:
On a somewhat funny side note, when I was at the shop paying way too much for my P30, a fairly young gentleman came in and requested to see a Desert Eagle. Then he wanted to see an FN P90. Then it was an MP7 (lol). Finally he asked to see "whatever SEALS carry." I believe the guy showed in a Sig P229. I'm pretty sure he got his shopping list from MW3.
CoD is the bane of the gun shop owners existence. Spend an hour letting some dude finger bang a chey-tac and then when he hears the price tag he's OTD. Between CoD and Zombie I couldn't work in a gun shop these days. It's poor customer service to laugh at their idiocy.
mattyrm wrote:
The allure is just that its a ridiculous gun! I wouldnt want to own one, I'd like to blat it at the side of an animal for gaks and giggles though.
Then what you REALLY want is one of these.
because it spits hot fire.
and the rounds are the size of AA batteries.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: .454 Casull: Because you never know when you're going to have to kill a Grizzly Bear.
Yeah see I went for the eagle because of the .50 Action Express being bigger, I think Smith and Wesson make a big fifty as well don't they? But the AE is the famous one.
Wo Mamma thats a lot for a stock. I could get a stock made from gold and bald eagles for that price. I can get a high end Fulton refurbished M1 for a grand.
Like I said back to the good old deer rifle with nice scope for me.
It's the whole rifle with a C stock. I'm not an 03 aficionado but there are like 4 stock shapes. I couldn't tell you which one is which without a book. $800 seems on the low end to me with what I've been seeing, but SMLE no1s are going for 400-600 and in my book that's a 20-150 gun. The mil surp market is a strange world in the 21st century.
AustonT wrote: It's the whole rifle with a C stock. I'm not an 03 aficionado but there are like 4 stock shapes. I couldn't tell you which one is which without a book. $800 seems on the low end to me with what I've been seeing, but SMLE no1s are going for 400-600 and in my book that's a 20-150 gun. The mil surp market is a strange world in the 21st century.
Oh thats better. Still a bit outrageous but better. Again I get a refurbished M1 with new barrel for a grand from Fulton.
I'll add it to "Frazzled's list of a new pair of everything he needs for when he wins the Lotto."
motyak wrote: Goddammit I wish I had a summer home or something in the US and could buy some lovely rifles. Australia can be such a pain in the arse...
I can "rent" you a room in my house that can be your summer home, buy whatever you want and I'll store it for you and regularly make sure it's in working order, you just supply the ammunition. Okay, since we're friends I'll store and shoot your guns for free and i'll provide my own ammo. See what a nice guy I am?
My buddy had the 10" Desert Eagle, weighed what seemed to be 20 pounds and it hurt to shoot but it truly felt like shooting a hand held cannon. Shooting it at night was cool too when it let out a 3 foot flame when you pulled the trigger. Just releasing the slide forward to chamber a round would carry enough weight and momentum to jerk the gun forward pretty good lol.
Another friend had an Encore that he had a .454 casull barrel for and I would say it was a bit over kill, and felt like someone clipped you in the shoulder with the side view mirror of a car doing 50 every time you pulled the trigger, but it left giant holes in things lol.
Kalashnikov, gunsmithing's great, but if you happen to be a leather/kydexworker, I'll give you my firstborn. I'm on a couple different waiting lists for good AIWB holsters, and the soonest I'm likely to get one is six months from now. Driving me nuts.
KalashnikovMarine wrote:Frazzled and any other Dakka member, I'll be training to be a licensed gunsmith through the next two years, and I have to do customer weapon work spring/summer 2015. So if you want to commission a custom rifle or get some work done and don't mind waiting/paying the shipping, etc I'd be happy to do the work for Dakkanaut Gun Nuts.
If you're interested in a custom rifle I'll be posting the full custom .308 I'll be doing for a project rifle early 2015 complete with a range report from the local Police force's marksman unit and possible an army sniper or two from the local base.
Where are you taking classes and what have you built so far?
I'm taking classes through the Colorado School of Trades starting next fall and I'm presently apprenticing with a local riflesmith. I haven't built anything yet mostly because my master is taking the more business oriented route for my apprenticeship. I'll hopefully get to start work on a rifle with him this winter out of my own pocket though, then the .308 I keep talking about is a part of the course curriculum for the CST. Before any one up on Gunsmithing education says anything, yes I know the Trinidad school exists, yes I looked at their curriculum. I liked CST's program and instructors better.
For ANY ONE who is a U.S. Citizen and finds a M-1 Garand a desirable and sexy instrument of battle. Check out the Civilian Marksmanship Program, decent grade refurbished M-1 Garand shipped to your door for like $600 if you want the Springfield receiver. That's courtesy of and with the full approval of the U.S. Government.
Motyak I was reading over Aussie gun laws recently and unless you desperately want Semi-Auto and to carry Aussie laws didn't strike me as horrible. (Self defense not being a genuine reason to carry ticked me off a mite...) but a Class B can get you all the fun centerfire rifles you'd want as far as bolt guns and lever actions go, Class C handles your pump shotties (though a double barrel break action coach shotgun's a sexy thing). Class H permits for handguns sound like they absolutely suck to acquire though. The laws aren't the greatest in the world from an American point of view... but it wasn't terrible enough to make me reconsider a possible move.
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Seaward wrote: Kalashnikov, gunsmithing's great, but if you happen to be a leather/kydexworker, I'll give you my firstborn. I'm on a couple different waiting lists for good AIWB holsters, and the soonest I'm likely to get one is six months from now. Driving me nuts.
I can do you better then that mate and cheaper to.
Couple of my buddies SWEAR by these holsters and I'm buying two, a IWB on the hip and another in the small of the back, the former being my M&P40C and the latter being my 1911A1.
Seaward wrote:Kalashnikov, gunsmithing's great, but if you happen to be a leather/kydexworker, I'll give you my firstborn. I'm on a couple different waiting lists for good AIWB holsters, and the soonest I'm likely to get one is six months from now. Driving me nuts.
Good couple of guys, I only know them through shooting I've never bought thier holsters. Most people I know who have we're pleased. Don't mind Bryan; he's just slowed.
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When you've got a portfolio Id love to see it. Don't forget to take lots of pictures even of work you do for yourself. Im about to put two guns in a box and run them to Phoenix Customs for a stock mill and see if I can talk myself into an oversized knob and a cerakote.
I'll keep you all posted and I'll probably put a decent sized portfolio up on Dakka even. My current Master has said if I kick some ass for him over the winter he'll turn me over to the guy who makes his stocks to round out my pre-education education... and if he approves my "from parts" learning build under his guidance I could have some in work shots on an action as early as Christmas.
I'm really excited to learn from this guy, he specializes in high end custom rifles and came over to the industry from machining high quality aircraft parts. His tolerances and precision work on parts is nothing short of amazing. The rest of the guys on his staff really know their stuff as well and I should be able to learn a lot from all of them
Myself? Ooh, I don't know. If we were talking about weapons full stop, I would say an original master crafted Katana. Whilst contrary to popular belief Katanas are not automatically better, some of the finest swords in the world are Katanas, and a well made Katana is lethal.
Firearms? Maybe an original well made flintlock of some description. They are lovely pieces of engineering, and have a real heft to them.
There's something like tenth generation swordsmiths still making Katana to this day I believe. Mind blowing sword making tradition in Japan.
I'd love to get my hands on one... my grandfather actually had a pair of Katana, WW2 bring backs that my gran sold to an auction house immediately after he died... me coveting them aside if she'd kept them they could have paid a lot of her bills before she passed. As an aside, I will trounce the first anime fan who starts screaming about how amazing folded steel is.
For anyone who's into a good dose of the stabbity I recommend Hank Reinhardt's "The Book of Swords" excellent work on the subject.
I thought Katanas were just made from a single piece of steel? I know the best Katanas were made from very good quality steel, but I thought that they were made in a similar way to most swords, the difference being the shape and the metal used.
The folding process of Japanese swordsmithing is the most famous part! From what I understand the folding process used in Japanese swordsmithing allows them to compensate for the relatively low quality metal found in Japan by introducing more and more carbon, also allows for a more homogenized metal and produces that lovely "layered" effect seen in damascus steel and Japanese Katana that's caused by different, alternating layers of hardness in the blade.
Swordsmiths making Katanas would fold the steel over onto itself several times. Sometimes several thousand times. A "master crafted" Katana could take up to six months to make because of this process. It's what made them so slim, but so very strong.
As for my dream firearm? A 1911, produced in 1911. I suppose it should also be in working order, too.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: The folding process of Japanese swordsmithing is the most famous part! From what I understand the folding process used in Japanese swordsmithing allows them to compensate for the relatively low quality metal found in Japan by introducing more and more carbon, also allows for a more homogenized metal and produces that lovely "layered" effect seen in damascus steel and Japanese Katana that's caused by different, alternating layers of hardness in the blade.
For those who do like Katana but don't have the $6000 or so for a cheap traditional styled blade, Sword Buyer's Guide offers a 100% custom T1 Tool Steel Katana for $330 shipped to your door.
AustonT wrote: KM: I want to say Dogma has a Mateba. A more economical alternative is the Chiappa.
He does? Lucky SoB.... but yeah I'm probably gonna snag myself a Chiappa when I have more money in the "random toys" fund. All the cool "looks" of the Mateba though the autorevolver part is pretty cool.
I want to say he paid like 300 bucks for it too. I haven't searched my posts to confirm but IIRC. Mateba, dirt cheap, Dogma. You really want a Dan Wesson.
I do wish it was legal to own flamethrowers here. If it was I would try and get a Kleif, one of the first man portable flamethrowers ever made. I did check out the Type 93 and Type 100, but their use in the Second Sino-Japanese War makes me reluctant.
One book I want to find is the Huo Long Jing, an ancient Chinese book of weapons.
Jihadin wrote: Pattons 1911's 45's...I even throw my dog in
Did Patton actually own a 1911? I know he had a Remington 51 and wore his issued 1908 hammerless on dress occasions after ditching the 51 for wheel guns.
AustonT wrote: I want to say he paid like 300 bucks for it too. I haven't searched my posts to confirm but IIRC. Mateba, dirt cheap, Dogma. You really want a Dan Wesson.
Specifically a S&W that's pre.... oh gosh '62 was the year S&W's QC Manager changed I think... but damn $300 for a Mateba Unica 6? Chap you bought it off of must not have known what he had.
Jihadin wrote: Pattons 1911's 45's...I even throw my dog in
Did Patton actually own a 1911? I know he had a Remington 51 and wore his issued 1908 hammerless on dress occasions after ditching the 51 for wheel guns.
Yeah I always associate Patton with a pair of ivory hit Colt SAAs
Now for a gun that belonged to someone, I'd like Chesty Puller's 1911. A handgun that is comparable valuable to a Marine as a piece of the true cross would be to a Christian.
Love shooting! My dad has an old Colt AR-15 A2 model that I've basically inherited, now that he's moved on to tactical M4geries. Still shoots great, and looks great too. I love the boomstick.
I'm not 21, but I plan on buying a Smith&Wesson Model 360...
I'm not really interested in personal defense, I just like the look of it, and .357 is a nice caliber.
Dan Wesson is a different brand KM. but solid dating on the SW quality. DW is a grandson I believe, the company is now owned by CZ, don't even know if the make thier classic revolver.
Yeah, seems like they aren't what they used to be. I'm not worried too much though. Who else makes good revolvers? Colt? Not anymore. Taurus? Don't make me laugh!
Samus_aran115 wrote: Yeah, seems like they aren't what they used to be. I'm not worried too much though. Who else makes good revolvers? Colt? Not anymore. Taurus? Don't make me laugh!
Don't Winchester or Remington still make revolvers? I dunno, and cant be arsed to look at the moment...
AustonT wrote: Dan Wesson is a different brand KM. but solid dating on the SW quality. DW is a grandson I believe, the company is now owned by CZ, don't even know if the make thier classic revolver.
My bad, I always manage to get that mixed up though.
Samus_aran115 wrote: Yeah, seems like they aren't what they used to be. I'm not worried too much though. Who else makes good revolvers? Colt? Not anymore. Taurus? Don't make me laugh!
Don't Winchester or Remington still make revolvers? I dunno, and cant be arsed to look at the moment...
To my knowledge: niether.
Winchester hasn't built a revolver since Hugo Borchart designed one for them, if your wondering why that name looks familiar:
I guess technically he was the second to last guy to design a revolver for Winny, but the Mason design was never submitted for review to anyone...cept maybe Colt as a thinly vieled threat.
The last Remington revolver was probably the 1875 but I'm not a big fan of Big Green so I'm not sure.
Automatically Appended Next Post: In answer to who makes a good revolver. SW makes faithful almost copies of Colt wheel guns with relatively good fit and finish. And Ruger remains an industry standard, even if no one actually remembers who they are. Probably because Bill Ruger sold us down the river.
AustonT wrote: In answer to who makes a good revolver. SW makes faithful almost copies of Colt wheel guns with relatively good fit and finish. And Ruger remains an industry standard, even if no one actually remembers who they are. Probably because Bill Ruger sold us down the river.
My grandfather used to have several Ruger pistols, one in .38 and another in .44 special. He liked them. He was surprised when I gave him the "lol ruger" look, because as far as he was concerned, they were excellent pistols, and totally fool-proof.
They make a bunch of garbage now, the 10-22 and the mini-14, which I think everyone has ignored with all the ARs on the market for relatively cheap. A neighbor of mine recently got a 10-22 Takedown. He likes it a lot, but he was a little bummed that he was going to have an impossible time modifying the barrel portion
I want a p226 navy so bad it's not even funny. If for no other reason than to just have "maritime cups". Because its funny to say. Pretty jealous of some of your collections, hard times have forced to sell off almost all my stuff. But my Glock19 stayed. Pre ban cause I live in ASSachusettes.
Chancetragedy wrote: I want a p226 navy so bad it's not even funny. If for no other reason than to just have "maritime cups". Because its funny to say. Pretty jealous of some of your collections, hard times have forced to sell off almost all my stuff. But my Glock19 stayed. Pre ban cause I live in ASSachusettes.
I'd get a genuine P226 Navy, not what Sig started calling the "Navy" after Cohen took over. The new "Navy" lacks the phosphate-coated internals that comes on the 226s that Crane buys for the go-faster guys. Pretty sure the Mark 25 or whatever Sig's calling it is the closest equivalent these days.
Yah my wife's father has an OG navy the stainless one wth the phosphate interior. And he said he'd sell it to me some day. He also has a bunch of other serviceman/SF related firearms ill get eventually. But he's a healthy ex army dude so doubt he's going down anytime soon.
And maritime cups are something sig put Into the gun that seals out the compartment where the hammer strikes the ammo to allow it to fire wet.
Chancetragedy wrote: Oh my oh my, that para ord. 45 and the les Baer .45 are also dreams of mine. I'm very much a sig/1911 man. Despite the fact all I own ATM is a glock.
I'm not a fan of semi-autos in general, but if I wanted one, it would either be a 1911 or a Luger. They're both venerable icons in their own right, and ammo is still plentiful.
There's just something I like about wheel-guns though. They aren't really practical for anything, but there's a subtle reassurance in having one in your hand.
What's impractical about a wheel gun? .38 or .357 is plenty lethal. Even an old colt SAA in .45LC will do you just fine for anything you might need it for.
I've always imagined a wheel-gun would be kind of awkward to concealed carry. No matter where you put it, the wheel seems kind of awkward. I'm sure I'm not thinking of it creatively enough. Police officers managed to do it for a while.
I don't have the credentials, or any need to concealed carry, or even open carry, so it doesn't matter to me though :3
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Poppabear wrote: I own two .44's and just a standard hunting rifle, not sure what Caliber it shoots though.
Just for hunting...
How does that work? I'd think the caliber would be something important
Chancetragedy wrote: Oh my oh my, that para ord. 45 and the les Baer .45 are also dreams of mine. I'm very much a sig/1911 man. Despite the fact all I own ATM is a glock.
Get the Baer when you get the opportunity. I have a Custom Carry that is, far and away, the most accurate handgun I've ever shot, and it's proving to have HK-like reliability. It's in the middle of a 2,000 round no cleaning/maintenance/lubing challenge at the moment, and it's had zero problems. I have a hard time talking myself out of making it my primary carry gun every time I think about it.
Samus_aran115 wrote: I've always imagined a wheel-gun would be kind of awkward to concealed carry. No matter where you put it, the wheel seems kind of awkward. I'm sure I'm not thinking of it creatively enough. Police officers managed to do it for a while.
I don't have the credentials, or any need to concealed carry, or even open carry, so it doesn't matter to me though :3
An LCP, Solo, or equivalent from any manufacturer is definitely smaller.
Does anyone else here simply not care about a gun's practical use? Am I the only ne who collects historical stuff just for the sake of having it/plinking a bit? I mean, I might at some point get ONE gun for self defense, but the rest of my collection will generally be old military stuff and the occasional target rifle.
GalacticDefender wrote: Does anyone else here simply not care about a gun's practical use? Am I the only ne who collects historical stuff just for the sake of having it/plinking a bit? I mean, I might at some point get ONE gun for self defense, but the rest of my collection will generally be old military stuff and the occasional target rifle.
I own a combat ready hand and a half sword, if that counts. When I bought my first (and only thus far) pistol, I knew it was going to be a 1911. I have always loved the looks first, and when I was finally able to fire one, I fell more in love with them because of performance. Growing up, my family owned several muzzle loading rifles, including a smoothbore Kentucky Long-gun, a .54 caliber Thompson Center rifle, and a .45 caliber TC "buffalo rifle" I wouldn't mind owning another muzzle loader, simply for the fun of shooting them, really quite fun to fire them.
GalacticDefender wrote: Does anyone else here simply not care about a gun's practical use? Am I the only ne who collects historical stuff just for the sake of having it/plinking a bit? I mean, I might at some point get ONE gun for self defense, but the rest of my collection will generally be old military stuff and the occasional target rifle.
All weapons are practical in some sense or another, but I prioritize some weapons over others based on it being cool.
Chancetragedy wrote: Oh my oh my, that para ord. 45 and the les Baer .45 are also dreams of mine. I'm very much a sig/1911 man. Despite the fact all I own ATM is a glock.
Get the Baer when you get the opportunity. I have a Custom Carry that is, far and away, the most accurate handgun I've ever shot, and it's proving to have HK-like reliability. It's in the middle of a 2,000 round no cleaning/maintenance/lubing challenge at the moment, and it's had zero problems. I have a hard time talking myself out of making it my primary carry gun every time I think about it.
Edit: Polar Baer
Yah your not the only person to tell me this haha. Last I checked though they were a bit out of my price range. When I come into money though I'm definately looking into it.
And I know this is the firearms thread but what do you all use for flashlights? I love mine, I have the infinity defender from nitecore. I like it a lot as a mid range price wise. And it's 1AA battery for 30+ hours. And it has a bevel front for bashing a face or a windshield(in survival time not anger time...) if need be.
GalacticDefender wrote: Does anyone else here simply not care about a gun's practical use? Am I the only ne who collects historical stuff just for the sake of having it/plinking a bit? I mean, I might at some point get ONE gun for self defense, but the rest of my collection will generally be old military stuff and the occasional target rifle.
I echo this, but more from a mechanical point of view, as in their operation, performance, and things like that. I find firearms to be incredibly interesting in their historical, social and political significance as well. My interest doesn't stem from a desire to protect myself, like a lot of people.
I like guns that make a statement too. In general, I'm not interested in building a collection of guns. I want a couple things to hang up, or stash in the closet, and that's it.
Chancetragedy wrote: Yah your not the only person to tell me this haha. Last I checked though they were a bit out of my price range. When I come into money though I'm definately looking into it.
They're definitely not cheap, but if you do decide to pick one up someday, buy it from Crazy John. Just use the Google machine to find 'Crazy John 1911 Heaven'. It's a craptastic website, but you'll want to call him anyway. He's definitely a talker, but he beat everyone else by a good $300 for my Custom Carry. He stocks more Baers than anyone in the US, as far as I'm aware.
GalacticDefender wrote: Does anyone else here simply not care about a gun's practical use? Am I the only ne who collects historical stuff just for the sake of having it/plinking a bit? I mean, I might at some point get ONE gun for self defense, but the rest of my collection will generally be old military stuff and the occasional target rifle.
A lot of people do that. I'm not one of them, but I can see the appeal. I don't own any handguns that I couldn't/wouldn't carry.
This twelve year old shot an intruder during a home invasion. This makes her a pretty bad ass little girl. No word on her stance but I like to think she used a proper weaver. Pity she didn't hit anything vital on the perp. Sure was enough to make him leave though.
To quote the old line about Colt revolvers "God created man and woman, Samuel Colt made them equal"
Go on...
Throw in that a lot of us gun guys (guys in this case being used unilaterally to represent all genders, etc) separate out into smaller tribes of gun guy. 1911 guns, Remington guys, Glock guys, etc. That's fine, nothing quite like having a good argument over a beer with a fan of combat tupperware. It becomes a problem when you as a salesman and as someone who is helping someone else purchase a weapon, especially if it's their first gun. You need to leave your biases at the door, listen to your customer and fit the gun to them. There's a guy at another shop in town, no matter what you ask about he'll go off about how great Glocks are. "I'm looking for a snub nosed revolver in .38spl" "Blahblahblah buy a Glock"
Okay, since we're friends I'll store and shoot your guns for free and i'll provide my own ammo. See what a nice guy I am?
