Video is all sorts of odd....I'm all for helping out friends with a porn addiction....but spanking the monkey and going to war certainly arent the same thing
Corpsesarefun wrote: Please don't tell me that people believe porn addiction is a thing.
While you can pretty much become addicted to anything (like chap-stick addiction is a real thing) I have to agree that people with "porn addiction" are probably people experiencing a lack of sexual satisfaction or a good relationship.
Corpsesarefun wrote: Please don't tell me that people believe porn addiction is a thing.
As someone who suffered through it all through my final year of college, I can tell you that yes, it very much is a thing, and it has a serious affect on peoples lives.
1: If My roommates get involve in my life, screw em
2: I look at porn andd still go to church
3: Porn is not my enemy, it is my friend, for 11.95 a month
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Dreadclaw69 wrote: I'm more disappointed the the lack of M1 Garands being used in the video
hotsauceman1 wrote: 1: If My roommates get involve in my life, screw em
2: I look at porn andd still go to church 3: Porn is not my enemy, it is my friend, for 11.95 a month
People can theoretically become addicted to anything but that doesn’t make those things inherently 'addictive' unless there is something about them that affects you physiologically such as narcotics or nicotine. People can even be addicted to exercise yet I don’t see anyone banging on about the ‘dangers’ of jogging.
These campaigns are nothing more than religious moralizing masquerading as concerns over public health. Best ignored.
hotsauceman1 wrote: 1: If My roommates get involve in my life, screw em
2: I look at porn andd still go to church
3: Porn is not my enemy, it is my friend, for 11.95 a month
You can get plenty of free porn on xHamster.com and xvideo.com without having to download.
Corpsesarefun wrote: Please don't tell me that people believe porn addiction is a thing.
While you can pretty much become addicted to anything (like chap-stick addiction is a real thing) I have to agree that people with "porn addiction" are probably people experiencing a lack of sexual satisfaction or a good relationship.
Just a small thing. There is no such this as porn "addiction" there is however compulsion. Addiction is physical, but you can have a compulsive behavior around anything if you have a compulsive personality. Addiction for these things is a misnomer.
- poor attendance at church
- darkness in eyes
- spiritual wounds
- hallucinations of fighting in WW2
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, it's hilarious how concerned Dakkanauts are about hotsauceman1 paying for pornography.
The Enemy says 'don't get involved, it's not your business.' But you you know that no one should ever pay for pr0n, outside of ISP charges, spare change for electricity, and the kleenex budget.
Corpsesarefun wrote: Please don't tell me that people believe porn addiction is a thing.
While you can pretty much become addicted to anything (like chap-stick addiction is a real thing) I have to agree that people with "porn addiction" are probably people experiencing a lack of sexual satisfaction or a good relationship.
Just a small thing. There is no such this as porn "addiction" there is however compulsion. Addiction is physical, but you can have a compulsive behavior around anything if you have a compulsive personality. Addiction for these things is a misnomer.
Thank you for clarifying there, I was struggling to think of the correct word to use in place of addiction in that context but I was sure that there was one.
Corpsesarefun wrote: Please don't tell me that people believe porn addiction is a thing.
While you can pretty much become addicted to anything (like chap-stick addiction is a real thing) I have to agree that people with "porn addiction" are probably people experiencing a lack of sexual satisfaction or a good relationship.
Just a small thing. There is no such this as porn "addiction" there is however compulsion. Addiction is physical, but you can have a compulsive behavior around anything if you have a compulsive personality. Addiction for these things is a misnomer.
Definition of addiction as per The American Society for Addiction Medicine:
Addiction is the continued repetition of a behavior despite adverse consequences,[1] or a neurological impairment leading to such behaviors.
Besides that, I would argue that porn is a physical addiction, you're not addicted to the pornography itself, you're addicted to the resultant sexual arousal, and/or the accompanying autoerotic stimulation.
You don't physically require pornography to masturbate, a heroin addict does physically require heroin to shoot up.
You may have had a high libido with minimal extra-mastabatory activities (like many posters here I assume) which lead you to regularly watch porn, but to say that you were a victim of pornography addiction is ridiculous.
Corpsesarefun wrote: You don't physically require pornography to masturbate, a heroin addict does physically require heroin to shoot up.
You may have had a high libido with minimal extra-mastabatory activities (like many posters here I assume) which lead you to regularly watch porn, but to say that you were a victim of pornography addiction is ridiculous.
As long as you're not castrated, all you need is your hand .
I think physical addictions means addictions that have withdrawal symptoms like headaches, hallucinations, etc so stuff like alcohol, caffeine, tobacco, heroine, etc but not weed and porn as there is no harsh withdrawal symptoms from them (as far as I'm aware).
Cheesecat wrote: I think physical addictions means addictions that have withdrawal symptoms like headaches, hallucinations, etc so stuff like alcohol, tobacco, heroine, etc but not weed as there is no harsh withdrawal symptoms from pit (as far as I'm aware).
Like in any field, I want to reward & encourage producers that put out quality material and treat their employees decently.
It's a million dollar industry!
So? The "industry" isn't a monolithic block, and not all porn is the same. Speaking only for myself, I find the stuff that has become the "standard" to be deeply unpleasant.
Like in any field, I want to reward & encourage producers that put out quality material and treat their employees decently.
It's a million dollar industry!
So? The "industry" isn't a monolithic block, and not all porn is the same. Speaking only for myself, I find the stuff that has become the "standard" to be deeply unpleasant.
Saving Ryan's Privates wrote:*Guy looks through binoculars*
God dammit! He's spanking on the field again, horny SOB's gonna get himself killed!
Don't go sarge! He's gone, his eyes are rolling into the back of his head!
I have to, he'd do the same for me...
That's real brave of you sar..
It isn't like that, it's... I mean he said he'd give me a reach around when we get back to base. Who else is gonna do it? YOU? With those filthy hands?
Chemical drugs can have real withdrawal symptoms, there's a chemical addiction in your body as well as psychological. But porn addiction? Give me a break. That just sounds like a lack of self control and nothing more. I have little sympathy for gambling addiction either, as people ruin themselves and claim it as illness. Unless you actually suffer mental illness that impairs your ability to make decisions I don't have sympathy, and if you are mentally I'll then the porn addiction or similar is a symptom of a greater problem, not an illness in itself.
That said, the advert is just ridiculous, going on about church and some sort of war. They aren't talking about porn addiction, but any amount of use of porn at all, it is coming from Mormons and their puritan values after all. It's alarmist nonsense and incredibly smug in claiming that they can save people from their evil addictions because they are so wholesome in themselves. Ugh.
Most of the time when a religious busybody sticks their nose in to 'intervene' in someone else's life, it's entirely unnecessary, they aren't addicted or in need of help. You're just being a judgmental ass pushing your religious values onto others.
This all funny for you guys, ha ha ha. What they got wrong was it was made at BYU-I the “I” stands for Idaho, Rexburg Idaho to be exact. Rexburg is 20ish minutes from where I live. These people are nuts and normally I just ignore the craziness. Its only until they bring the spotlight of the rest of the world on to my sleepy little town that I become angry at them. See Idaho and more importantly south eastern Idaho has a lot of Mormons, more Mormons per capita then Utah. So Mormon weirdness is well normal. If our nations birthday falls on a Sunday. Sorry we celebrate it on the Monday. Small stuff like that. O and our bars are only open till 1am. It sucks but in my younger years I learned quickly over baring religiosity breeds rebellious girls. Hot wholesome Mormon girls who are mad at their dads.
Most of the time when a religious busybody sticks their nose in to 'intervene' in someone else's life, it's entirely unnecessary, they aren't addicted or in need of help. You're just being a judgmental ass pushing your religious values onto others.
The thing is those people often genuinely believe that they are helping.
Cheesecat wrote: I think physical addictions means addictions that have withdrawal symptoms like headaches, hallucinations, etc so stuff like alcohol, caffeine, tobacco, heroine, etc but not weed and porn as there is no harsh withdrawal symptoms from them (as far as I'm aware).
I assure you there are, it was a long time before I was able to function normally (sexually speaking) again after I cut pornography out of my life... okay, its not quite 'withdrawal' so much as it is conditioned response, but still.
hotsauceman1 wrote: 1: If My roommates get involve in my life, screw em
2: I look at porn andd still go to church 3: Porn is not my enemy, it is my friend, for 11.95 a month
Corpsesarefun wrote: Please don't tell me that people believe porn addiction is a thing.
As someone who suffered through it all through my final year of college, I can tell you that yes, it very much is a thing, and it has a serious affect on peoples lives.
Still though, this commercial is ridiculous.
Too true. I know of a few marriages that broke apart because the husband could not get away from watching that trash. One of them told me it wasn't until he lost his wife and kids that he realized how addicted he was. He ended up going into therapy to try to control his veiwing of the stuff.
Read the comments on the video. Fething comedy gold.
This is excellent for Christian men, young and old. I'm Catholic, a former Protestant, and this speaks to anyone of Faith who faces down this terrible, strong and growing evil
hotsauceman1 wrote: 1: If My roommates get involve in my life, screw em
2: I look at porn andd still go to church
3: Porn is not my enemy, it is my friend, for 11.95 a month
You can get plenty of free porn on xHamster.com and xvideo.com without having to download.
Or with a free Pornhub account, you can download it
Manchu wrote:Signs of Porn Addiction:
- poor attendance at church
- darkness in eyes
- spiritual wounds
- hallucinations of fighting in WW2
Well, replace the WW2 stuff with Mechwarrior and 40K, and im fullfilling allof those criteria-provided you go by the mormon version of spiritualy wounded-i.e. not christian, and not going to church. Oh, and enjoying sex outside of wedlock
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, it's hilarious how concerned Dakkanauts are about hotsauceman1 paying for pornography.
The Enemy says 'don't get involved, it's not your business.' But you you know that no one should ever pay for pr0n, outside of ISP charges, spare change for electricity, and the kleenex budget.
Its a brotherly thing. We guys know how important porn is, thus we understand the need for a constant, affordable supply
Automatically Appended Next Post: BTW, is sort of an odd coincidence that i am looking at porn right now isnt it?
Ah well, 3:54 wasted not watching porn....... I had better make up!
Or with a free Pornhub account, you can download it
Well, replace the WW2 stuff with Mechwarrior and 40K, and im fullfilling allof those criteria-provided you go by the mormon version of spiritualy wounded-i.e. not christian, and not going to church. Oh, and enjoying sex outside of wedlock
Its a brotherly thing. We guys know how important porn is, thus we understand the need for a constant, affordable supply
BTW, is sort of an odd coincidence that i am looking at porn right now isnt it?
Ah well, 3:54 wasted not watching porn....... I had better make up!
Or with a free Pornhub account, you can download it
Well, replace the WW2 stuff with Mechwarrior and 40K, and im fullfilling allof those criteria-provided you go by the mormon version of spiritualy wounded-i.e. not christian, and not going to church. Oh, and enjoying sex outside of wedlock
Its a brotherly thing. We guys know how important porn is, thus we understand the need for a constant, affordable supply
BTW, is sort of an odd coincidence that i am looking at porn right now isnt it?
Ah well, 3:54 wasted not watching porn....... I had better make up!
Dude, seriously too much information.
sorry, but i could not resist that last bit No, too much information is finding out what tubgirl is.....
I thank the goddess daily that i do not know
Automatically Appended Next Post: p.s., i was joking about the whole watching porn thing.
Too true. I know of a few marriages that broke apart because the husband could not get away from watching that trash. One of them told me it wasn't until he lost his wife and kids that he realized how addicted he was. He ended up going into therapy to try to control his veiwing of the stuff.
Corpsesarefun wrote: Please don't tell me that people believe porn addiction is a thing.
As someone who suffered through it all through my final year of college, I can tell you that yes, it very much is a thing, and it has a serious affect on peoples lives.
Still though, this commercial is ridiculous.
Too true. I know of a few marriages that broke apart because the husband could not get away from watching that trash. One of them told me it wasn't until he lost his wife and kids that he realized how addicted he was. He ended up going into therapy to try to control his veiwing of the stuff.
Those marriages must have had other problems because there's no such thing as being addicted to porn.
Its like video games, people may get addicted to the feelings associated with them but there not actually addicted to the pixels.
Also: Are you calling porn trash? What the is this the 1800's or something?
I do not see the problem ... I am married and I beat my meat like it owes me money. Porn addiction is something made up so that some college people can get grants to do a study. I love my wife and I love my porn ... I love my wife while we watch the porn. People need to mind their own business and let people do what they want as long as they harm no others.
This thread is turning into one hell of a bromance. Its like we're all sat around a campfire, swapping stories of sexual conquests and discussing sexual habits.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: This thread is turning into one hell of a bromance. Its like we're all sat around a campfire, swapping stories of sexual conquests and discussing sexual habits.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: This thread is turning into one hell of a bromance. Its like we're all sat around a campfire, swapping stories of sexual conquests and discussing sexual habits.
We're all open here; this is a happy, safe place where we can be ourselves and let it all hang out, you know?
Now, who's up for a game of "guess my internet history"?
Porn Addiction has nothing to do with sexual activity or how lonely you are. Talking to someone about it would do absolutely nothing besides make them feel embarrassed that they left the freaking door open while they spanking the monkey like the idiot in the video.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: This thread is turning into one hell of a bromance. Its like we're all sat around a campfire, swapping stories of sexual conquests and discussing sexual habits.
I don't really think masturbation counts as a sexual conquest.
Porn is 100% acceptable when you're single. Porn is 100% acceptable when you're with a partner who has no issue with it. Porn is 0% acceptable if your partner DOES have an issue with it. I never had "the talk" with one of my exes, she found a Girls Gone Wild video on my computer and told me she felt betrayed that I'd look at other girls instead of thinking about her. The truly terrible part was I downloaded it for a friend and hadn't erased it yet. I hadn't even watched it. But it's kinda hard to make that claim when it's sitting right in front of her... I had other friends and exes who had porn night in their dorms. So, it's been a decent enough split in my history. I'm single now and have no issue with watching porn. But if my coworker and I ever end up together, porn will be a distant memory. Porn keeps me from making bad decisions that could easily ruin potential chances with her, so...porn is a GOOD thing in my case.
timetowaste85 wrote: Porn is 100% acceptable when you're single. Porn is 100% acceptable when you're with a partner who has no issue with it. Porn is 0% acceptable if your partner DOES have an issue with it. I never had "the talk" with one of my exes, she found a Girls Gone Wild video on my computer and told me she felt betrayed that I'd look at other girls instead of thinking about her. The truly terrible part was I downloaded it for a friend and hadn't erased it yet. I hadn't even watched it. But it's kinda hard to make that claim when it's sitting right in front of her... I had other friends and exes who had porn night in their dorms. So, it's been a decent enough split in my history. I'm single now and have no issue with watching porn. But if my coworker and I ever end up together, porn will be a distant memory. Porn keeps me from making bad decisions that could easily ruin potential chances with her, so...porn is a GOOD thing in my case.
I would disagree with your idea of the 100 % acceptability of porn, although I do agree with your 0% acceptability statement based from the negative effect I've seen it have in people's lives. I have seen it really mess with and end some marriages, and twist what some people think is acceptable in relationships to the point that no woman wants to be with them.
Oh for feths sake, you're reading too much into it.
It was just a fething joke comparing this thread (in which a bunch of blokes are casually discussing their pornography and sex habits) to a bunch of blokes sitting around a fire talking about all the girls they've bonked, their tastes in pornography etc.
It was just a fething joke comparing this thread (in which a bunch of blokes are openly discussing their pornography and sex habits) to a bunch of blokes sitting around a fire talking about all the girls they've bonked, their tastes in pornography etc.
Do you really need to make this personal?
Sorry if it seems that way, I'm not. The mention of sexual conquests in a thread where the conversation is turning to masturbating over porn was amusing to me, though.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: This thread is turning into one hell of a bromance. Its like we're all sat around a campfire, swapping stories of sexual conquests and discussing sexual habits.
This one time, at Band Camp....
Avatar 720 wrote:
Now, who's up for a game of "guess my internet history"?
Yeah...I'll give you credit for wearing your religion on your sleeve, but this is just bad:
We can only speak for ourselves. The specialized nature of Sexaholics Anonymous can best be understood in terms of what we call the sexaholic. The sexaholic has taken himself or herself out of the whole context of what is right or wrong. He or she has lost control, no longer has the power of choice, and is not free to stop. Lust has become an addiction. Our situation is like that of the alcoholic who can no longer tolerate alcohol and must stop drinking altogether but is hooked and cannot stop. So it is with the sexaholic, or sex drunk, who can no longer tolerate lust but cannot stop.
Thus, for the sexaholic, any form of sex with one’s self or with partners other than the spouse is progressively addictive and destructive. We also see that lust is the driving force behind our sexual acting out, and true sobriety includes progressive victory over lust. These conclusions were forced upon us in the crucible of our experiences and recovery; we have no other options. But we have found that acceptance of these facts is the key to a happy and joyous freedom we could otherwise never know.
Yeah, people getting side [Mod Edit - Seriously?] isn't necessarily destructive so long as the couple is OK with open relationships, for some people conventional monogamous relationships doesn't work for them or isn't desirable.
The only people who think pornography is addictive are people who believe masturbation is a sin.
Very wrong, The stories I have heard from people who have told me the fact that they or their husbands couldn't give up porn even though it ruined their Marriages proves to me how wrong you are.
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Corpsesarefun wrote: And you can't see the link between your religion and thinking that porn addiction is a real thing?
I can see you have your beliefs that an internet chat with a stranger won't change.
I watched one marriage disintigrate right in front of me when the wife asked her husband to quit watching porn and his literal reply was that he "Couldn't give up his girls".
If you were to say porn was like alcohol, with varying effect that depends on the person using it, I would be in agreement.
If someone responds to a "me or the porn" ultimatum with porn then there are clearly way deeper issues in their marriage and that's saying nothing of the partner who gives the"me or the porn" ultimatum.
Corpsesarefun wrote: If someone responds to a "me or the porn" ultimatum with porn then there are clearly way deeper issues in their marriage and that's saying nothing of the partner who gives the"me or the porn" ultimatum.
Talk to some wives of men who were deep into porn sometime. It goes far deeper than you seem to realize than the wife trying to control the husband. I can tell you the things they have told me about how it affected their husbands and the way they acted towards their wives, but I would really encourage you to hear these stories for yourself.
You're welcome to provide some evidence if you like, preferably with the specific reasons the wives told their husbands to stop. If the words "masturbation is a sin" appear at any time they are invalid.
Corpsesarefun wrote: Y If the words "masturbation is a sin" appear at any time they are invalid.
+1
Religious arguments are irrelevant when the person you're arguing with doesn't share your religion.
"X is a sin! Believe in my god or you will go to hell!"
"I don't think your god exists so why should I care?".
Excessive use of pornography, like video games, is a bad habit, not an addiction. There are no chemicals involved, you're not developing a physical addiction to a chemical. All it takes to stop is willpower. If you want to stop, then just do it. Decide for yourself that its unhealthy for you, and stop using it.
I play video games waaaay more than is healthy for me, but I don't wallow in self pity and pretend its an addiction. Its just a bad habit. I play video games because I enjoy them and want to play them.
Corpsesarefun wrote: You're welcome to provide some evidence if you like, preferably with the specific reasons the wives told their husbands to stop. If the words "masturbation is a sin" appear at any time they are invalid.
The only time masturbation comes into it is from the story I was told from one woman that divorced her husband. He was so into computer porn, he couldn't have normal relations with her but would masturbate to pictures of her on the computer. Other women get tired of being frozen out of their husband's lives because they would rather watch porn than be with them, or the increasingly repulsive demands the husband would make on them.
The best thing I can tell you, though, is to find out for yourself firsthand what is being said by going somewhere there is a support group of people trying to stop watching porn or others who have been negatively impacted by porn.
Wikipedia (you can check it's citation trail for credibility) has an article on porn addiction and describes it as a behavioral addiction influenced by compulsive behavior, while I do believe that porn addiction can be real (I believe anyone can become addicted to anything) I think most people
who claim they have porn addiction or that others have it actually have other deeper issues at hand.
Corpsesarefun wrote: Y If the words "masturbation is a sin" appear at any time they are invalid.
+1
Religious arguments are irrelevant when the person you're arguing with doesn't share your religion.
"X is a sin! Believe in my god or you will go to hell!"
"I don't think your god exists so why should I care?".
Excessive use of pornography, like video games, is a bad habit, not an addiction. There are no chemicals involved, you're not developing a physical addiction to a chemical. All it takes to stop is willpower. If you want to stop, then just do it. Decide for yourself that its unhealthy for you, and stop using it.
I play video games waaaay more than is healthy for me, but I don't wallow in self pity and pretend its an addiction. Its just a bad habit. I play video games because I enjoy them and want to play them.
To be fair, getting off (and we all know that's what porn is for, we can be adults), releases the body's natural endorphins: basically, "feel good" chemicals. It helps you relax, calm down and de-stress. Now, honestly, seeing how its a chemical your body produces naturally, I see nothing wrong with it. If God didn't want us to do it, I sincerely doubt he'd make it good for us and make it a basic part of our bodies. Whole point of my statement is that chemicals are involved. But they're natural ones that are part of your body and you can't remove them. By the way, I fully consider myself a Christian, believe in God, Jesus and many aspects of the Bible, but I also believe that God gave us the ability to question and to decide-and based on what we as a species know to be good for our bodies, how could getting off truly be a sin: "you're feeling good! Sin!!" Yeah..I don't think so...
Corpsesarefun wrote: You're welcome to provide some evidence if you like, preferably with the specific reasons the wives told their husbands to stop. If the words "masturbation is a sin" appear at any time they are invalid.
The only time masturbation comes into it is from the story I was told from one woman that divorced her husband. He was so into computer porn, he couldn't have normal relations with her but would masturbate to pictures of her on the computer. Other women get tired of being frozen out of their husband's lives because they would rather watch porn than be with them, or the increasingly repulsive demands the husband would make on them.
So porn addiction is completely unrelated to masturbation? The only thing you're doing now is making yourself less credible, it's feasible that someone could compulsively masturbate to pornography but to suggest that people are addicted to simply viewing pornography independant of sexuality is bizarre to say the least.
The best thing I can tell you, though, is to find out for yourself firsthand what is being said by going somewhere there is a support group of people trying to stop watching porn or others who have been negatively impacted by porn.
Funnily enough there are no support groups for people trying to stop porn anywhere near where I live.
Corpsesarefun wrote: You're welcome to provide some evidence if you like, preferably with the specific reasons the wives told their husbands to stop. If the words "masturbation is a sin" appear at any time they are invalid.
The only time masturbation comes into it is from the story I was told from one woman that divorced her husband. He was so into computer porn, he couldn't have normal relations with her but would masturbate to pictures of her on the computer. Other women get tired of being frozen out of their husband's lives because they would rather watch porn than be with them, or the increasingly repulsive demands the husband would make on them.
So porn addiction is completely unrelated to masturbation? The only thing you're doing now is making yourself less credible, it's feasible that someone could compulsively masturbate to pornography but to suggest that people are addicted to simply viewing pornography independant of sexuality is bizarre to say the least.
The best thing I can tell you, though, is to find out for yourself firsthand what is being said by going somewhere there is a support group of people trying to stop watching porn or others who have been negatively impacted by porn.
Funnily enough there are no support groups for people trying to stop porn anywhere near where I live.
I mentioned it like that, just to let you know she wasn't saying mastubation is a sin. I'm not saying it's unrelated to masturbation, which is silly to think.
It could probably be more easily found than you think. If there are any children's advocacy groups where you live or even a psyciatrists office,
They could probably supply you with a lead or some literature on the subject. The group I suggest you seek by the way, is not for people trying to stop porn, but people that have been impacted by it.
I think there's a keenness to medicalise an issue that isn't a medical problem. Porn is often described in terms that make it out to be some evil disease that people become addicted to and are gripped by. But it's not a chemical addiction, getting addicted to poem is like becoming addicted to anything, like buying too much Warhammer. The only thing stopping you is apathy and lack of will power.
People whose marriages are destroyed by porn, no they are destroyed by people. People who clearly have more complex issues with themselves and the relationship that is suffering. Blaming the porn is just a means by which they are encouraged to shirk responsibility and direct the blame elsewhere, it also gives those with an agenda the opportunity to accuse an industry they wish to see undermined.
Porn 'addiction' for what it's worth, is a symptom of other problems, it's not the root cause of family breakdown. Some people blame computer games for causing violence, but the link of cause and effect just doesn't work like that in reality. Stop finding a scapegoat for people's problems and stop using it as a means to attack certain industries traditionally opposed by religious groups; porn, video games, RPG games even.
I'm not a great fan of porn but this is a joke. People who get 'addicted' to porn need to sort themselves out and be honest about what they want in life, instead of hiding behind accusations that porn has ruined them and is an evil that destroyed their life. I'm sure people whose marriages break down 'due to porn' are in fact unhappy or dissatisfied in those marriages but can't admit it to themselves or others, so look for other outlets, short of having an affair they use porn. That's not the fault of porn, it's their fault.
Automatically Appended Next Post: These anti porn campaigns and similar are often backed by religious groups, I think it's very common for religions to tell people that they're the victim in this situation, and that porn or similar, is the evil bogey man that got them. They can offer the 'victim' comfort and support from this problem, which exactly what the person wants to hear. That it wasn't their fault, that it's a medical or addictive problem and that they fell victim to an evil in the world. They don't want to be told that the fethed their life up. But that's the issue, 'porn addiction' is a failure of personal responsibility, it's not a disease that you caught or a scam you were tricked by, and you're not a victim.
azazel the cat wrote: Here's me callous and entirely accurate take on the situation:
If your significant other prefers porn instead of you, then the problem is you.
Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say that, but I would raise the point that they're probably sexually incompatible.
Not everyone's going to be content with just missionary. Especially in an age where talking about sex is becoming less and less taboo. But for those who prefer to keep their sex lives on the bland side of things, with 7 billion people in the world, there's probably someone else out there who is similarly conservatively minded.
Although, from the LDS members that I've met, they tend to marry extremely young while not looking too kindly upon the idea of experimenting before then, either. In situations like that, finding out that you're sexually incompatible with someone isn't exactly going to be unthinkable.
I can see from the last opinions expressed, no one wants to bother talking to anyone affected by this or do any real research, but instead just rely on what they imagine to be true.
Relapse wrote: I can see from the last opinions expressed, no one wants to bother talking to anyone affected by this or do any real research, but instead just rely on what they imagine to be true.
You refused to provide evidence and instead told me to "go out and find people affected", why should we believe what you imagine is true?
Relapse wrote: I can see from the last opinions expressed, no one wants to bother talking to anyone affected by this or do any real research, but instead just rely on what they imagine to be true.
You refused to provide evidence and instead told me to "go out and find people affected", why should we believe what you imagine is true?
What evidence do you want? Stories of what people told me about how it affected their lives? You already don't believe me there, and I figured you wouldn't so that is why I invited you to talk to some people that have been affected or obtain literature from a reputable psychiatrist that you could trust. If you want I can spend a few minutes in a google search, but I doubt that would do any good since you don't appear to want to accept the fact that it can ruin people's lives if they let it take over as I have seen. At least talk to a divorce lawyer and ask him how often porn viewing was given as a reason for divorce.
I am not basing this on religion, but on what I have seen happen with people or been told by those on both sides of marriages or relationships that ended due to soomeone not wanting to give up porn.
The Huffington Post is the closest, I imagine to what you would be willing to accept here, but the American Association of Matrimonial Lawyers statistics on divorce are cited a few times in these articles, and it's a significant percentage. Quite a far cry from what is being put forward by most posters here.
I will say it again, ask a few divorce lawyers what percentage of divorces have porn viewing mentioned as a reason. If you don't believe what I've put out here,find out for yourself.
The psychology today article does nicely actually, I'm somewhat confused as to why you'd think that I would view the huffington post is a more reliable source.Though all it really proves is that some divorcees do cite porn as a cause for their divorce rather than porn addiction being a real thing.
I admit that it's entirely possible that people can become compulsed to view pornography to the point of believing that they/their spouse are addicted to it and that can cause marital difficulties.
Porn addiction can be a very real and very destructive thing.
It's not destructive because you are addicted to porn. It's destructive because you are addicted to something.
When you spend all your money (not just disposable income, but actual money that you need for other stuff) on porn, sex chatrooms, stuff like that; you may have a destructive addiction.
When you are neglecting your friends, partner and family for porn; you may have a destructive addiction.
If you are sitting at work and are just counting down the hours until you can get home to boot up your computer to start looking at porn; you may have a destructive addiction.
If porn becomes the most important thing in your life and your thoughts are preoccupied with it; you may have a destructive addiction.
People can get a psychological and physical high from watching porn. The psychological high is from the thrill of watching it. They physical high comes from the endorphin release caused by the activity that usually happens while watching porn. Combined they can be just as addictive as many other things. Heck, even WoW can be addictive.
Now that doesn't mean that anybody and everybody that watches porn is addicted to porn. That's a broad generalization. But porn addiction can be a very real thing.
As far as relationships go it can be a difficult question. You can always say that it is stupid for a partner to demand that the other partner choose between "porn or me". And even making that ultimatum is a topic that could be talked to death on here. But in the end relationships are about compromises and sacrifices. So in the end both of you have to decide what to do. Is your partner important enough to you to look the other way and let them do something that bothers you? Is your partner important enough to you to give up something that you enjoy because you enjoy them more? That's what relationships are about. Both of you decide what is more important there.
That doesn't mean that you have a problem with porn addiction just because you decide that the ultimatum is stupid or because you decide that she is not important enough to no longer look at it. She may very well just be manipulative and controlling and is using your porn viewing against you. She may be more religious than you and that is causing some friction there, and you can tell that if porn is already an issue because of different religious thoughts then this may very well be a red flag for more issues down the road. None of that means that you are a porn addict.
But some people are addicted and will throw what was once a fruitful and passionate relationship down the toilet because of it. They will either call out the partner and say "fine, I choose porn" because they are legitimately addicted to it, or they will hide it from their partner and make a net of lies to hide it. If you are as preoccupied with the fear of your partner finding out about it as you are about watching it, then that is a pretty good sign of an addiction.
Porn Addiction is not just the act of "watching porn and liking it", it's all the activities that go with it such as tanking your money into it, running up debt because of it, hiding it, working a 12 hour day then gohome to watch porn for 8 hours then sleep 2 hours and then going back to work for a 12 hour day, waiting for your partner to go to sleep so you can sneak off and watch it while being scared that you might get caught because you know it will ruin everything you love but you can't stop even though you want to...that kind of stuff.
Now are they are a lot of people that just like to watch porn? Sure. Is it the vast majority of people that watch porn? I think so. Do most of them not have a problem? More than likely. Do people say "I'm addicted!" because they are embarrassed that they got caught? Probably. Can "me or the porn" be a bigger sign of a fundamendal problem in the relationship instead of porn addiction? Definetly.
But porn addiction can also be a very real thing with very destructive results for some people.
Now, that doesn't mean it's any more destructive than other addictions because it's porn that you are addicted to. It's just another addiction with the same destructive properties and risks as many other addictions.
This. I don't see why the concept of porn addiction is so controversial, and I'm a devout atheist who watches plenty of porn. This thread is like a bunch of people who went to Vegas one time and had a good time complaining about how stupid it is to talk about gambling addiction. Yes, porn (and gambling, online games, etc) can be an enjoyable part of a healthy life, but that doesn't in any way mean that it's impossible for it to become an extremely bad thing for some people. Try not to let the absurd religious lectures on how sex is always bad (unless you're doing it the way Jesus told you to) get in the way of reasonable discussion.
I think that anybody paying for porn in this day and age (or is it day in age?) is an idiot. Sorry, but buying porn is beyond stupid. The Internet allows you to watch it for free. If you're paying for it, you have a serious problem. Also, I'll admit there have been a few days while driving home I've thought to myself "I think I'd like to see ***** ****** and **** ****** pleasure each other with a ****** while inserting ******* into *******." So what-it's a boring ride home.
timetowaste85 wrote: Also, I'll admit there have been a few days while driving home I've thought to myself "I think I'd like to see ***** ****** and **** ****** pleasure each other with a ****** while inserting ******* into *******."
Relapse wrote: I can see from the last opinions expressed, no one wants to bother talking to anyone affected by this or do any real research, but instead just rely on what they imagine to be true.
You refused to provide evidence and instead told me to "go out and find people affected", why should we believe what you imagine is true?
What evidence do you want? Stories of what people told me about how it affected their lives? You already don't believe me there, and I figured you wouldn't so that is why I invited you to talk to some people that have been affected or obtain literature from a reputable psychiatrist that you could trust. If you want I can spend a few minutes in a google search, but I doubt that would do any good since you don't appear to want to accept the fact that it can ruin people's lives if they let it take over as I have seen. At least talk to a divorce lawyer and ask him how often porn viewing was given as a reason for divorce.
I am not basing this on religion, but on what I have seen happen with people or been told by those on both sides of marriages or relationships that ended due to soomeone not wanting to give up porn.
The Huffington Post is the closest, I imagine to what you would be willing to accept here, but the American Association of Matrimonial Lawyers statistics on divorce are cited a few times in these articles, and it's a significant percentage. Quite a far cry from what is being put forward by most posters here.
I will say it again, ask a few divorce lawyers what percentage of divorces have porn viewing mentioned as a reason. If you don't believe what I've put out here,find out for yourself.
Im sorry, but no. Porn, despite the religious zeal against it, is not a bad thing. Porn addiction does not exist.
Porn may be cited as the reason for breaking up with your spouse, but if it is then there was something wrong with your relationship, and it is best to let things die.
This. I don't see why the concept of porn addiction is so controversial, and I'm a devout atheist who watches plenty of porn. This thread is like a bunch of people who went to Vegas one time and had a good time complaining about how stupid it is to talk about gambling addiction. Yes, porn (and gambling, online games, etc) can be an enjoyable part of a healthy life, but that doesn't in any way mean that it's impossible for it to become an extremely bad thing for some people. Try not to let the absurd religious lectures on how sex is always bad (unless you're doing it the way Jesus told you to) get in the way of reasonable discussion.
Relapse wrote: I can see from the last opinions expressed, no one wants to bother talking to anyone affected by this or do any real research, but instead just rely on what they imagine to be true.
You refused to provide evidence and instead told me to "go out and find people affected", why should we believe what you imagine is true?
What evidence do you want? Stories of what people told me about how it affected their lives? You already don't believe me there, and I figured you wouldn't so that is why I invited you to talk to some people that have been affected or obtain literature from a reputable psychiatrist that you could trust. If you want I can spend a few minutes in a google search, but I doubt that would do any good since you don't appear to want to accept the fact that it can ruin people's lives if they let it take over as I have seen. At least talk to a divorce lawyer and ask him how often porn viewing was given as a reason for divorce.
I am not basing this on religion, but on what I have seen happen with people or been told by those on both sides of marriages or relationships that ended due to soomeone not wanting to give up porn.
The Huffington Post is the closest, I imagine to what you would be willing to accept here, but the American Association of Matrimonial Lawyers statistics on divorce are cited a few times in these articles, and it's a significant percentage. Quite a far cry from what is being put forward by most posters here.
I will say it again, ask a few divorce lawyers what percentage of divorces have porn viewing mentioned as a reason. If you don't believe what I've put out here,find out for yourself.
Im sorry, but no. Porn, despite the religious zeal against it, is not a bad thing. Porn addiction does not exist.
Porn may be cited as the reason for breaking up with your spouse, but if it is then there was something wrong with your relationship, and it is best to let things die.
If porn means more to someone than a real relationship then there is definitely something wrong. I think d-usa summed the whole thing up pretty well in his post. If someone is spending inordinate amounts of time, money, etc on porn they should realize something is wrong and out of balance in thier life.
Personally, I despise porn not only on religious grounds and the way I have seen relationships end because of it, but in the way I think it turns humans into objects and cheapens one of the most intimate ways people can relate to each other. I despise it for the stories I read of those forced into it and basically are having nothing more than rape happening to them for the entertainment of others. As a father, I grieve for parents whose children have found their way into this industry and pray that this will never happen to mine.
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d-usa wrote: Porn addiction can be a very real and very destructive thing.
It's not destructive because you are addicted to porn. It's destructive because you are addicted to something.
When you spend all your money (not just disposable income, but actual money that you need for other stuff) on porn, sex chatrooms, stuff like that; you may have a destructive addiction.
When you are neglecting your friends, partner and family for porn; you may have a destructive addiction.
If you are sitting at work and are just counting down the hours until you can get home to boot up your computer to start looking at porn; you may have a destructive addiction.
If porn becomes the most important thing in your life and your thoughts are preoccupied with it; you may have a destructive addiction.
People can get a psychological and physical high from watching porn. The psychological high is from the thrill of watching it. They physical high comes from the endorphin release caused by the activity that usually happens while watching porn. Combined they can be just as addictive as many other things. Heck, even WoW can be addictive.
Now that doesn't mean that anybody and everybody that watches porn is addicted to porn. That's a broad generalization. But porn addiction can be a very real thing.
As far as relationships go it can be a difficult question. You can always say that it is stupid for a partner to demand that the other partner choose between "porn or me". And even making that ultimatum is a topic that could be talked to death on here. But in the end relationships are about compromises and sacrifices. So in the end both of you have to decide what to do. Is your partner important enough to you to look the other way and let them do something that bothers you? Is your partner important enough to you to give up something that you enjoy because you enjoy them more? That's what relationships are about. Both of you decide what is more important there.
That doesn't mean that you have a problem with porn addiction just because you decide that the ultimatum is stupid or because you decide that she is not important enough to no longer look at it. She may very well just be manipulative and controlling and is using your porn viewing against you. She may be more religious than you and that is causing some friction there, and you can tell that if porn is already an issue because of different religious thoughts then this may very well be a red flag for more issues down the road. None of that means that you are a porn addict.
But some people are addicted and will throw what was once a fruitful and passionate relationship down the toilet because of it. They will either call out the partner and say "fine, I choose porn" because they are legitimately addicted to it, or they will hide it from their partner and make a net of lies to hide it. If you are as preoccupied with the fear of your partner finding out about it as you are about watching it, then that is a pretty good sign of an addiction.
Porn Addiction is not just the act of "watching porn and liking it", it's all the activities that go with it such as tanking your money into it, running up debt because of it, hiding it, working a 12 hour day then gohome to watch porn for 8 hours then sleep 2 hours and then going back to work for a 12 hour day, waiting for your partner to go to sleep so you can sneak off and watch it while being scared that you might get caught because you know it will ruin everything you love but you can't stop even though you want to...that kind of stuff.
Now are they are a lot of people that just like to watch porn? Sure. Is it the vast majority of people that watch porn? I think so. Do most of them not have a problem? More than likely. Do people say "I'm addicted!" because they are embarrassed that they got caught? Probably. Can "me or the porn" be a bigger sign of a fundamendal problem in the relationship instead of porn addiction? Definetly.
But porn addiction can also be a very real thing with very destructive results for some people.
Now, that doesn't mean it's any more destructive than other addictions because it's porn that you are addicted to. It's just another addiction with the same destructive properties and risks as many other addictions.
Very beautifully written, I couldn't have put it much better.
If porn means more to someone than a real relationship then there is definitely something wrong. I think d-usa summed the whole thing up pretty well in his post. If someone is spending inordinate amounts of time, money, etc on porn they should realize something is wrong and out of balance in thier life.
Personally, I despise porn not only on religious grounds and the way I have seen relationships end because of it, but in the way I think it turns humans into objects and cheapens one of the most intimate ways people can relate to each other. I despise it for the stories I read of those forced into it and basically are having nothing more than rape happening to them for the entertainment of others. As a father, I grieve for parents whose children have found their way into this industry and pray that this will never happen to mine.
Get off your high horse. Porn is only harmful to those who have massive insecurities. We like looking and sexy people. It is a fact. Some of us dont have a GF or Wife to help us. We have to get our own rocks off.
And the only reason you "Grieve" IS because you see porn as evil, well it isnt. I could say how fast food industry reduces you to an object, that is what every job does.
If porn means more to someone than a real relationship then there is definitely something wrong. I think d-usa summed the whole thing up pretty well in his post. If someone is spending inordinate amounts of time, money, etc on porn they should realize something is wrong and out of balance in thier life.
Personally, I despise porn not only on religious grounds and the way I have seen relationships end because of it, but in the way I think it turns humans into objects and cheapens one of the most intimate ways people can relate to each other. I despise it for the stories I read of those forced into it and basically are having nothing more than rape happening to them for the entertainment of others. As a father, I grieve for parents whose children have found their way into this industry and pray that this will never happen to mine.
Get off your high horse. Porn is only harmful to those who have massive insecurities. We like looking and sexy people. It is a fact. Some of us dont have a GF or Wife to help us. We have to get our own rocks off.
And the only reason you "Grieve" IS because you see porn as evil, well it isnt. I could say how fast food industry reduces you to an object, that is what every job does.
I'm not on any high horse here, but I do think porn is evil and a blight for the reasons I gave. For the rest, I refer you to d-usa's rather good post.
hotsauceman1 wrote: He never said pron is a blight. It isnt. Why cant you let other people get on with their lives and not interfere with your morality
He didn't, I did and never said that he did. I think his post makes great sense, though.
For my own self, I am voicing an opinion based on the impact I have seen it have on some people's lives and what others have told me about how it negatively affected them. The statistics I provided from organizations with no axe to grind that deal with porn's fallout reinforce my own belief in what I say here.
As far as interferring goes, do what you want and deal with the consequences, I am just voicing my opinion.
People on here try to make people feel bad for drinking, smoking, voting for democrats/republicans, liking gays, not liking gays, liking GW, liking Mantic, liking Chapterhouse, liking superheavies, liking college athletics, believing in God, etc etc etc.
Him saying "I think porn is bad" doesn't interfere with your morality one single bit unless a post by a stranger on the Internet keeps you from being able to have a tab with porn open. He's not calling for the criminalization of producing or watching it. He's voicing his opinion that he thinks it's bad.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Because you try to make other feel bad for their want to watch porn
You're the one making yourself feel bad if my opinion and statistics I put out affect you that way. From some of your other posts, I gather that you are still a teenager. A rather intellegent one, but still a teenager, with a lot of life experience waiting ahead that will shape your opinions of the world. I hope you are currently keeping a journal of your thoughts and feelings so that you can refer back to it when you're my age and have raised a family so you can compare it to the way you will probably be thinking then. Will you feel the same as you do now? I don't know, but I believe that if you are like most people, you won't.
I say this because your opinions remind me a lot of my own when I was your age.
d-usa wrote: People on here try to make people feel bad for drinking, smoking, voting for democrats/republicans, liking gays, not liking gays, liking GW, liking Mantic, liking Chapterhouse, liking superheavies, liking college athletics, believing in God, etc etc etc.
Him saying "I think porn is bad" doesn't interfere with your morality one single bit unless a post by a stranger on the Internet keeps you from being able to have a tab with porn open. He's not calling for the criminalization of producing or watching it. He's voicing his opinion that he thinks it's bad.
d-usa wrote: People on here try to make people feel bad for drinking, smoking, voting for democrats/republicans, liking gays, not liking gays, liking GW, liking Mantic, liking Chapterhouse, liking superheavies, liking college athletics, believing in God, etc etc etc.
Him saying "I think porn is bad" doesn't interfere with your morality one single bit unless a post by a stranger on the Internet keeps you from being able to have a tab with porn open. He's not calling for the criminalization of producing or watching it. He's voicing his opinion that he thinks it's bad.
It's not the end of the world...
Yeah, that's how I saw it as well.
I'm beginning to think there is a career for d-usa in writing opinion pieces.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Because you try to make other feel bad for their want to watch porn
You're the one making yourself feel bad if my opinion and statistics I put out affect you that way. From some of your other posts, I gather that you are still a teenager. A rather intellegent one, but still a teenager, with a lot of life experience waiting ahead that will shape your opinions of the world. I hope you are currently keeping a journal of your thoughts and feelings so that you can refer back to it when you're my age and have raised a family so you can compare it to the way you will probably be thinking then. Will you feel the same as you do now? I don't know, but I believe that if you are like most people, you won't.
I say this because your opinions remind me a lot of my own when I was your age.
First. Thank yu for calling me Intelligent, I dont get that alot
Second, Im in my early 20s
Third: No, I am not. And Life experiance is not something I lack, just because someone is young does not mean life experiance is beyond you. I have seen marriages fall apart for many reasons, money, non-compatability and many other things. I have seen people enter marriages too early with people they just met, and try to make it work and stay miserable because their religion makes them. Older generations like to think they know more then younger and that younger generations do not have the ability to understand.
I remember this one article, from a published accredited journal, where in Croatia they studied peoples porn habits and sexual habits, their was only a small change.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00224499.2012.681403#.Uvm5bvldW8o
hotsauceman1 wrote: Because you try to make other feel bad for their want to watch porn
You're the one making yourself feel bad if my opinion and statistics I put out affect you that way. From some of your other posts, I gather that you are still a teenager. A rather intellegent one, but still a teenager, with a lot of life experience waiting ahead that will shape your opinions of the world. I hope you are currently keeping a journal of your thoughts and feelings so that you can refer back to it when you're my age and have raised a family so you can compare it to the way you will probably be thinking then. Will you feel the same as you do now? I don't know, but I believe that if you are like most people, you won't.
I say this because your opinions remind me a lot of my own when I was your age.
First. Thank yu for calling me Intelligent, I dont get that alot
Second, Im in my early 20s
Third: No, I am not. And Life experiance is not something I lack, just because someone is young does not mean life experiance is beyond you. I have seen marriages fall apart for many reasons, money, non-compatability and many other things. I have seen people enter marriages too early with people they just met, and try to make it work and stay miserable because their religion makes them. Older generations like to think they know more then younger and that younger generations do not have the ability to understand.
I remember this one article, from a published accredited journal, where in Croatia they studied peoples porn habits and sexual habits, their was only a small change.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00224499.2012.681403#.Uvm5bvldW8o
Sorry about the age mix up, I thought I had read somewhere you were a teenager. I do agree that a person can have a lot of life experience early on for various reasons, but to quote the great Muhhamad Ali, "A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted 30 years of his life."
hotsauceman1 wrote: *Sigh* Yes, people change over time. But the idea that all young people have are stupid ideas in just Ageist.
Never believed that in my life myself. I do subscibe to the idea that most people learn a lot over the course of their life. I do encourage you on the journal idea, also. It's kind of fun going back through and seeing how much your ideas and concepts do change over time.
Second the journal thing. Re-reading the journals from my youth has really helped me understand my older daughter's seemingly irrational behaviour. You forget what it is like to be young and full of all these... feelings
OT: d-usa said what I was going to say. Probably with more eloquence, too.
If porn means more to someone than a real relationship then there is definitely something wrong. I think d-usa summed the whole thing up pretty well in his post. If someone is spending inordinate amounts of time, money, etc on porn they should realize something is wrong and out of balance in thier life.
Personally, I despise porn not only on religious grounds and the way I have seen relationships end because of it, but in the way I think it turns humans into objects and cheapens one of the most intimate ways people can relate to each other. I despise it for the stories I read of those forced into it and basically are having nothing more than rape happening to them for the entertainment of others. As a father, I grieve for parents whose children have found their way into this industry and pray that this will never happen to mine.
Relapse, I think that as mature gentlemen, you and I should agree to differ on this, and go our separate ways
d-usa wrote: People on here try to make people feel bad for drinking, smoking, voting for democrats/republicans, liking gays, not liking gays, liking GW, liking Mantic, liking Chapterhouse, liking superheavies, liking college athletics, believing in God, etc etc etc.
Him saying "I think porn is bad" doesn't interfere with your morality one single bit unless a post by a stranger on the Internet keeps you from being able to have a tab with porn open. He's not calling for the criminalization of producing or watching it. He's voicing his opinion that he thinks it's bad.
It's not the end of the world...
You left out Privateer Press, you monster!
OT: I cannot exalt this and your previous post enough d-usa
If your against "porn" as in film and video porn using live actors, are you mayhaps against hentai? Or Rule 34.
It's an interesting question, since masturbation is something human males have done since forever, and we constantly innovate to serve all desires and fetishes.
Rule 34 as it were is a victimless issue, as it uses established characters and settings for the same thing we have been aroused by since the dawn of time were instead of say actors being abused by a corrupt porn industry we just have guys getting really excited about drawings and animation.
Although my browsing of /mlp/ has probably corrupted me entirely, so my post may just be the idle braying of a heretic
It's an interesting question, since masturbation is something human males have done since forever, and we constantly innovate to serve all desires and fetishes.
Alexzandvar wrote: Although I will say vice, sin, and all those lovely pleasures in between is a very human concept.
I thought the distinction should be made.
I wouldn't say concept, it's in our very nature to hate, to rage, to kill and be unjust. Just as much is our nature to love, to cry, to build friendships.
Sin, Vice, Hope, Honor, are just part of a bigger thing.
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is this the 1800's or something?
