Looks like the first toolbox I ever had!

Agree the hand looks like it's been cut out, the left side near the handle looks an odd shape but it has a sharp outline.

Either Ad Mech or Votann would be good.

I’d say Votann by the simple virtue of it being a toolbox. The Adeptus Mechanicus doesn’t do toolboxes; not when they can just graft on a dozen more mechadendrites.

Sounds crazy to walk around with a toolbox when you instead could replace your arm with a huge drill or whatever tool you prefer.

Almost certainly Votann. Looks like it'll be a Brokhyr mini, hopefully some heavy artillery piece. Maybe an updated Thunderfire or Quadd. Presumably with a funky new name.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
I’d say Votann by the simple virtue of it being a toolbox. The Adeptus Mechanicus doesn’t do toolboxes; not when they can just graft on a dozen more mechadendrites.

They may not do them, but the Xenarites would definitely "liberate" xenotech toolboxes.

There are Imperial toolboxes in various terrain sets, so low-level servitors or artisans using toolboxes is not out of the question.

 Haighus wrote:
There are Imperial toolboxes in various terrain sets, so low-level servitors or artisans using toolboxes is not out of the question.

Yeah but there are tool boxes on Votann main kits - the Pioneer bikes and the Sagitaurs. But its something about the shape that made me immediately think its Votann, plus there are the 3 vent lines in the side which are in the Votann range. Could be wrong - I have no admech or imperials so could be something for them but it looks really familiar to me as Votann.

 silverstu wrote:

 Haighus wrote:
There are Imperial toolboxes in various terrain sets, so low-level servitors or artisans using toolboxes is not out of the question.

Yeah but there are tool boxes on Votann main kits - the Pioneer bikes and the Sagitaurs. But its something about the shape that made me immediately think its Votann, plus there are the 3 vent lines in the side which are in the Votann range. Could be wrong - I have no admech or imperials so could be something for them but it looks really familiar to me as Votann.

I agree LoV is more likely, just highlighting that Imperials do use toolboxes and not just grafted tools.

Yeah it’s almost definitely LoT. That being said, there are definitely imperium terrain sets that include little tool box kits

This one is solved by the new Blood Angels:

well I don't think any of us could have predicted this one

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
well I don't think any of us could have predicted this one

The only weathering seems to be limited to the servoskull drill.

The Blood Drop is right there in the RE pic, just not complete.

Tricksy

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
well I don't think any of us could have predicted this one

I was close in that it is an Apothecary at least

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The scale is perfect for a Narthecium tho, and even the two ridges behind the drill are on Nartheciums.

HH command squad, final answer.

Oooh. That’s a lovely basket full of skulls.

Don't you just hate it that the fish trap is always clogged up with skulls? Fishing in Warhammer ain't easy.

Possibly the most GW rumour engine pic of recent times?

Another Soulblight named hero

all of those skulls feel oddly melted. the one on top is melded to the cage, in particular. makes me think this is some kind of resin model, or something with fewer parts like an Underworlds kit. there's what look like two claws holding the cage on the top left, so my guess is for something AOS or TOW, and most likely a chaos or death sort of thing

The bonereapers don’t use metal exactly, it’s too neat and symmetrical for shaven, goblin, or undead. Elves don’t do skulls much and the ironwork is too chunky for them. So humans/CoS. Or chaos.


Wild ass guess: new order-aligned necromancer.

Some CoS morbid cult could be using those?

 Mr_Rose wrote:
The bonereapers don’t use metal exactly, it’s too neat and symmetrical for shaven, goblin, or undead. Elves don’t do skulls much and the ironwork is too chunky for them. So humans/CoS. Or chaos.


Wild ass guess: new order-aligned necromancer.

CoS wouldn't explain the claw in the corner, so that would leave chaos

 Mr_Rose wrote:
it’s too neat and symmetrical for shaven, goblin, or undead

It's not too neat for vampires, tho?

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
all of those skulls feel oddly melted. the one on top is melded to the cage, in particular. makes me think this is some kind of resin model, or something with fewer parts like an Underworlds kit. there's what look like two claws holding the cage on the top left, so my guess is for something AOS or TOW, and most likely a chaos or death sort of thing

Might be just artifact of difficulty of making plastic mould with details on sides - no matter how you orient hexagonal cage, 4 out of 6 sides will be at angle to the mould making details there flat-ish. Though I guess could also be fault of resin, these bars are far too thin and delicate detail for resin (unlike plastic) so the sculptor would need to strenghten them by clipping them into skulls...

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
The bonereapers don’t use metal exactly, it’s too neat and symmetrical for shaven, goblin, or undead. Elves don’t do skulls much and the ironwork is too chunky for them. So humans/CoS. Or chaos.


Wild ass guess: new order-aligned necromancer.

CoS wouldn't explain the claw in the corner, so that would leave chaos

Its probably to small to be claws.
Looks like a piece of cloth or skin fastened at the back with, what I guess two rings at the top and around the metal at the bottom.

The industrial nature of the metal cage and the sinister content make me think Chaos Dwarfs, right? Right!

I'm suddenly reminded of that engine from a while back that looked like new flagellants.

Found it on 4chan.

One solved https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/08/middle-earth-strategy-battle-game-the-rise-of-angmar/

Whoops! Wrong thread!

 Shadow Walker wrote:
One solved https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/08/middle-earth-strategy-battle-game-the-rise-of-angmar/

Really? Which one?

Vague-posting with a link is really not that helpful.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
One solved https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/08/middle-earth-strategy-battle-game-the-rise-of-angmar/

Really? Which one?

Vague-posting with a link is really not that helpful.

It is explained in the article, you just need to click on it

they don't reference the rumour engine in the article at all. are you talking about the preview at the top? because that wasn't an RE. that was part of a series of teasers that MESBG has been doing all year, with each teaser coming from the previous reveal

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
One solved https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/08/middle-earth-strategy-battle-game-the-rise-of-angmar/

Really? Which one?

Vague-posting with a link is really not that helpful.

It is explained in the article, you just need to click on it

If you can't be bothered to give useful - or, in this case, accurate - context for what you're posting, maybe don't bother chucking random links/videos into threads.

It's generally the case in this thread that if someone says a RE image has been solved, that they post the one that they think is solved.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
they don't reference the rumour engine in the article at all. are you talking about the preview at the top? because that wasn't an RE. that was part of a series of teasers that MESBG has been doing all year, with each teaser coming from the previous reveal

Yeah, not a RE from a name, still a RE but for the Middle Earth.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
they don't reference the rumour engine in the article at all. are you talking about the preview at the top? because that wasn't an RE. that was part of a series of teasers that MESBG has been doing all year, with each teaser coming from the previous reveal

Yeah, not a RE from a name, still a RE but for the Middle Earth.

i don't think it counts. it's not something you would see if you aren't following ME news, and these were never posted in the thread before, so it's not like someone following here would have seen much of them— again, unless they are also seeking out the ME thread

First one was shared

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
they don't reference the rumour engine in the article at all. are you talking about the preview at the top? because that wasn't an RE. that was part of a series of teasers that MESBG has been doing all year, with each teaser coming from the previous reveal

Yeah, not a RE from a name, still a RE but for the Middle Earth.

i don't think it counts. it's not something you would see if you aren't following ME news, and these were never posted in the thread before, so it's not like someone following here would have seen much of them— again, unless they are also seeking out the ME thread

I have no problem with mods removing it then. Will not post ME ones here in the future.

Something Mechanic(um)al

Mecanicum version of a hot glue gun.

i wanna say this is another votann thing, but that may be a bit of a leap. could be for the same model, tho

Looks paler coloured, similar to the other robotic bits we've seen? Which I think we're guessing are now Thousand Son/Vashtorr robots for 40K?
Perhaps some kind of Datasmith to accompany them~?

The other bits like the toilet roll Skull and Fortress of Redemption projector look like they have dark red and black on them.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
i wanna say this is another votann thing, but that may be a bit of a leap. could be for the same model, tho

I think not on account of the spikey bits. That's definitely more of an admech thing. But not sure what exactly.. unless admech are finally getting a new KT in the future.

felt too clean for admech, but yeah, the spikes are why i was hesitating

doesn't feel connected to the foot and claw. colors are much too different

Did a quick dig, practically every 40k imperial servo arm has that spikey bit, interestingly not the case for 30k.

Techmarines also have the spikey servo arm so I suppose not necessarily admech..

One of the other (than Van Saar) Necromunda big six gang's specialist sets. Goliath?

Shadow Walker wrote:Something Mechanic(um)al

Spoiler:

That is definetly the inferno pistol surrogate on a dark/new mechanicum machinator array
I'd bet monies on it.

Tastyfish wrote:

Spoiler:

The top image looks to be the rear three quarters of a robot ankle - the large spike being a cock-fighting paralell where the owners strap metal spikes on their animals in the same manner.

So a new melee focus robot unit to go with the teased Mars campain announcement.

Doesn't have the feel of a black widow or an iron angel - they have a ranged weapon focus.
Possibly a heresy version of the 40k chickenwalker?
The ironstrider engine is supposed to have been perfected around M33 but theres plenty of pre-completion time for some magos to 'solve' the power supply issue with energy from the warp or just as a daemon host form.

Recent white dwarfs have apparently been hinting at Magnus unleashing a secret cache of automatons/robots against Vashtorr's Wyrmwood.

There's definitely two coloured banding inset in that robot leg that wouldn't look out of place on a Thousand Son's crest.

Now youve pointed that out - have a look at the armour panel on what i presume to be the 'shin'. On the portion which extends rearwards (toward the spike), there's an eye painted on isn't there?

And now im looking for chaos-ness, is that a bit of material corruption to the right of it?

This week's thing:

I'm going to say Votann but more from a gut feeling/hopium.. Perhaps Ad Mech or necromunda?

Sneak peek of the new GW license agreement with Star Wars:

Antennae of some kind I reckon.

Could also be upside down. The bottom looks like the kind of ribbed cable we see on a lot of minis.

 Nevelon wrote:
Could also be upside down. The bottom looks like the kind of ribbed cable we see on a lot of minis.

Yeah, Ad Mech models often have similar doodads hanging down. Seems most likely.

That there is what we call a tricky one.

Doesn't look super Imperial but can't say it looks particularly Votanny either.

Necromunda is always a curveball so let's go with that.

If it’s Votann it’s going to be another living ancestor guy, maybe some kind of specialist.

 Haighus wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Could also be upside down. The bottom looks like the kind of ribbed cable we see on a lot of minis.

Yeah, Ad Mech models often have similar doodads hanging down. Seems most likely.

Speaking of, has very similar design to the attachment for one of the hanging doodads on this Tech-priest:

Top of some techno staff or sensor? Now, is it AdMech, Mechanicum, Votann, Munda?

Looks Votann to me, and I feel like they're prone to things that look like tech but have no clear function.

Did the new Warhammer+ models resolve any o/s Rumour Engine images?

 Dysartes wrote:
Did the new Warhammer+ models resolve any o/s Rumour Engine images?

Nope. Which is kinda crazy if you think about it.

Meanwhile, that unsolved spider-ish skull will soon hit 2 year mark of its posting. GW is really not in a rush with that one, eh?

Then there is the IG like scenery from last year, multiple pics, hitting 14-15 month mark. Is that infinitely delayed too or waiting for IG book?

 Irbis wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Did the new Warhammer+ models resolve any o/s Rumour Engine images?

Nope. Which is kinda crazy if you think about it.

Meanwhile, that unsolved spider-ish skull will soon hit 2 year mark of its posting. GW is really not in a rush with that one, eh?

Then there is the IG like scenery from last year, multiple pics, hitting 14-15 month mark. Is that infinitely delayed too or waiting for IG book?

rumor is that the spider thing is a kit that got canned. which only grows more likely as time goes on

Oh come on.

Its diffecult to say but it looks more like fantasie then 40k.

Crystalline blade of some kind. Nothing immediately leaps to mind, except perhaps something Eldar?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Crystalline blade of some kind. Nothing immediately leaps to mind, except perhaps something Eldar?

Could be a blue GK blade?

It's a Cathayan long sword! Ninjas confirmed for Old World

(In all seriousness, it reminds me of some of the gutter runner/Mordheim skaven swords but it's way too clean to be them)

It comes across as more of a carved piece of something than a typically weapon, really. It seems like it could be some sort of crystal or mineral than forged metal or whatever. Not sure what factions would use something like that? There's the Kin Darkstar Axe but that's all I can think of, it is also quite angular and flat.

Looks three-dimensional to me. Some diamond shaped base decoration or something.


Or it's a squig.

A nadirite blade for ossiarch bonereapers?

T’au Bonding Knife. Question is, carried by a T’au, or another Auxiliary?

I'll say something Necron.

If its a blade, it would have a veird double edge that dont makes sense.
Looks like its perhaps a vedge/kite shaped fin decoration for a vehicle -the top is flat.

Edit, but then again, they would not paint a fin with hard shadowed sides like that.

 The Power Cosmic wrote:
I'll say something Necron.

Necron crystal base decoration was my first thought.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh come on.

Well thats a classic Ninjato sword shape.
First thought was 'vibroblade' but it doesnt have the pseudo-tuning-fork slots at the kissaki.

New week, new rumour engine picture:


Definitely a lot of gloop on that particular weapon - presumably there's a stabbin' stick of some form under there somewhere.

Swamp ork squig stabba?

Well that's 110% Kruleboyz/Hobgrots

Could it be? The mythical third Underworlds team?

looks more human to me, but the goop on the blade is definitely poison

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Crystalline blade of some kind. Nothing immediately leaps to mind, except perhaps something Eldar?

Grey Knight Kill team? Paint scheme is similar to the nemesis force weapons and it could be an updated halberd blade.

https://www.warhammer.com/app/resources/catalog/product/threeSixty/60010299026_AOSDominionOTT27360/01-01.jpg

Note the wristband

 lord_blackfang wrote:

https://www.warhammer.com/app/resources/catalog/product/threeSixty/60010299026_AOSDominionOTT27360/01-01.jpg

Note the wristband

oh, and the form the goop takes is pretty identical, too. yeah that feels very settled, then

Sneaky Gits?

Def hobgrots

Hobgrot Hero maybe?

Hero should always be the default assumption, all most factions get is one hero per edition. But the blade looks a bit mid for a hero level dude, so there is hope for a unit of sneaky poison specialists? Or, of course, another Underworlds/Warcry gang.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Hero should always be the default assumption, all most factions get is one hero per edition. But the blade looks a bit mid for a hero level dude, so there is hope for a unit of sneaky poison specialists? Or, of course, another Underworlds/Warcry gang.

The reverse grip on the knife could indicate an off-hand weapon. Could be a backup poison/goop knife for a nastier main hand weapon.

No crossguard on the weapon - dodgy af.

That hand has a lot to answer for too though; I know we all have a bit of excess skin in that bit between the thumb and forefinger, but that hand is crawling around the uncanny valley for me with the ridiculous fold of extra epidermis. Gross.

Ironjawz?

probably if it's a choppy thing

might be gloomspite if it's upside down and is a crest on a helmet ?

Corpse Cult or whatever they're called? The Necromunda army.

Corpse Grinders have more neatly machined parts.

Ironjawz bat'leth is possible, the size is right and the straps fit, although their serrations tend to be in the form of spikes bolted onto the blade, not cut into it.

I got Ironjawz vibes from it, but I saw a comment elsewhere about it being an Ogor Butcher, which would be most welcome.

It does have a bit of vintage bone saw energy

Looking at the handle? I think that’s fingers, not wrapping?

Looks like wraps to me. But who knows…

Makes me think of a rougher version of the saw blade option on the Castellax.

I have to say, the Lady of the Lake has seen better days:

The Rumour Engine - 17th of September

I winder if it’s a big cooking pot? Ogors are overdue for a new butcher

Take my strong hand, child!


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Seems it would be a very big cooking pot?

Could be a Tyranid digestion pool, but you’d think that would be out by now.

That looks cool as hell, whatever it is.

Looks like a base decoration or an effect. I wonder if it might be for. New Quest game.. we are kinda due one..

Soulblight faction terrain?

New Warcry season terrain?

looks too smooth for nids. i'd expect there to be some teeth there. ogors, maybe? but the current mawpot and its alternative aren't too old so it feels unneeded, and a new slaughtermaster wouldn't be big enough to need that

i do think that people are on the right track with the far side being the edges of something... just don't know what. at the very least, tho, when this is revealed we will immediately know what it is

Maybe Idoneth drowning someone?

Makes me think Daughters of Khaine and some sort of sacrificial pit.

It kind of looks like the goop is pulling the hand down, but could be a hand thrust out with goop clinging on.

I'm gonna go with animate, malevolent goop though.

A nurgle rip-of of gelatinous cube.

Dysartes wrote:I have to say, the Lady of the Lake has seen better days:

The Rumour Engine - 17th of September

Watery tarts distributing swords is no system of government!

Haighus wrote:It kind of looks like the goop is pulling the hand down, but could be a hand thrust out with goop clinging on.

I'm gonna go with animate, malevolent goop though.

RIP Tasha Yar…

 Jadenim wrote:
RIP Tasha Yar…

Too soon!

Burny log.

Getting mystic flames from living wood vibes, not torch/bonfire type. Sylvaneth?

The wood looks weird. Not splintered, instead rounded ends. Like it’s been carved?

It's just a coal fire on the wheelbarrow. Bob's been smoking at work again.

Hmm, siege battles incoming? You got to drop something on the attackers' heads after all.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The wood looks weird. Not splintered, instead rounded ends. Like it’s been carved?

Looks like a rotted branch that's been picked up like a club by something with magical fire powers.

Warhammer Day Model is said to be Tzeentchian?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Warhammer Day Model is said to be Tzeentchian?

well it's a sorcerer, i don't know if its specifically tzeentchian

Just double checked and you’re right. Name is definitely of a Tzeentchian bent.

Not sure if a Chaos Sorcerer would fight with a makeshift torch...?

Could be base decoration?

yeah i think it'll be a very cool tactical rock for someone to be standing on. definitely AOS, probably something evil, so i'm gonna say chaos

I will just file it as another Chaos Dwarf teaser.
I get the feeling of a hollow log burning at one end, and thick black smoke pouring out at the end we see here.

Given the wood is clearly meant to be carved, rather than a splintered branch? Could it be a burning idol or some kind, either on fire as an act of sacrilege, or part of the ritual whatever?

Not a clue! I mean it’s obvious a drill. But beyond that, no idea.

Death Korps Engineer Mole Launcher

I'm only too happy to go with the ice-cream serving machine suggestion.

What is that thing that looks like George from Rainbow, but carved out of stone sitting on the top? Chaos Dwarves and that's a rock sprite or something?

Some Votann dude has random floaty rocks don't he?

New rumour engine picture is a pretty much identical match for the Leagues of Votann cthonian beserk Mole Grenade.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Some Votann dude has random floaty rocks don't he?

Only because he/she is a psyker (grymnr have options for both)

LavuranGuard wrote:What is that thing that looks like George from Rainbow, but carved out of stone sitting on the top? Chaos Dwarves and that's a rock sprite or something?

Flip the image top to bottom and it makes more visual sense

Mentlegen324 wrote:New rumour engine picture is a pretty much identical match for the Leagues of Votann cthonian beserk Mole Grenade.

This. ^^^^^

The lump on the new image could be a Mole Grenade's 'tactical rock'

Seems like it is supposed to be debris being flung out by the emerging mole projectile?

Hopefully it's the mole launcher but a proper artillery piece.

 Haighus wrote:
Seems like it is supposed to be debris being flung out by the emerging mole projectile?

Yeah, I thought it was the gun muzzle at first but someone on Bolter pointed out the little pile of rocks matches one on the mole grenade launcher shell tokens. So it looks like its a shell emerging from the ground, probably an artillery scale mole mortar.

Still looks like a Moomin perched on the back though.

Well, we were right about it being a turkey and a pie. Halfling kill team

 GaroRobe wrote:
Well, we were right about it being a turkey and a pie. Halfling kill team

Technically not the KT, but the holiday model.

But yes, pie and turkey

Close enough

I couldn’t see the preview because the new website is terrible

To be fair, while not the KT, they did mention in the stream they would have rules to be used in a KT scenario.

Are you sure it isn't a holiday sandbag?

I think this might have been the first rumour engine I was more-or-less correct

 Haighus wrote:
Are you sure it isn't a holiday sandbag?

I think this might have been the first rumour engine I was more-or-less correct

You think the Imperium is going to waste good sand on holiday morale? Thats an avian shaped Soylens Viridiens patty at best.

So who's going to rub that in Kan's face?

Already have. Not directly, but during the stream I said

Oh look.

A sandbag.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So who's going to rub that in Kan's face?

What was really hilarious was not just how hilariously wrong he was (not like it was first time, he did it before say claiming for years a picture of 3 bog standard Reivers was really a mystic preview of something completely different only he was 'smart' enough to decipher) but how confident it was. It really takes chutzpah to see something that is a picture of X with 99.9% certainity and not just insist it was Y, but bet on it being 0.1% chance so hard to attack multiple people calling them dumb for not seeing it

Mutilators making a return? Definitely technological and Chaos. But too fleshy for 30k Dark Mechanicum?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
But too fleshy for 30k Dark Mechanicum?

Oh I wouldn't put that past the Dark-mech. Still, mutilators seems a good call insofar as it fits perfectly well with them.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Mutilators making a return? Definitely technological and Chaos. But too fleshy for 30k Dark Mechanicum?

Emperor's Children. The text even goes out of its way to call it "art".

Very solid chaos heavy melee vibe. The question is what on?

Mutilators is probably the best guess, but what about demon engine or hellbrute? Or demon prince? Getting bigger then power armor, but how big?

I'm going to guess some kind of Death Guard possessed. The vent on the fleshy cable at top is like those on the Lord of Virulence (and other factions but LoV came to mind first). DG also have a lot of "teeth protruding from ceramite" touches on models.

We also have the automata looking bits from earlier. Sadly all the links in my OP are broken, and I frankly cannot be arsed to fix them.

The lack of length is reminding me of the Armigers to be honest.

It would also be a fair shout for world eaters being a nasty looking chain weapon.

The article states "This limb clearly takes influence from the Vashthaus school of postmodern design", so I'm guessing some buddy for Vashtorr.

Looks like a chaos-ified reaper chainsword.

Corrupted knights were in the recent Mars civil war book

But we already have Chaos-ified Knights, including one with a reaper chainsword...

Given it's a chain weapon, I lean towards something World Eater-y, but I couldn't say what.

Emperor's Children chainsword. Maybe for a Dreadnought?

Could of course be something Dark Mechanicum

Just doesn’t look Slaaneshi to me.

Could be a Daemon Engine, but I still suspect Mutilators.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Just doesn’t look Slaaneshi to me.

Could be a Daemon Engine, but I still suspect Mutilators.

Mutilators and bikers are the last units that really need updates for basic CSM right?

Could be a multipart Obliterator/Mutilator 2-3 pack

Didn’t Mutilators get the heave-ho? As in, The Unit No Longer Appearing In This Game?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Didn’t Mutilators get the heave-ho? As in, The Unit No Longer Appearing In This Game?

I want to say that doesn't mean they can't be reintroduced alongside new models that don't look like gak, but I can't think of any other examples of GW doing similar in the last few years.

Leagues of Votann. Ash Waste Raiders, Ironhead Squats

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Leagues of Votann. Ash Waste Raiders, Ironhead Squats

I meant for things recently retired, particularly units, with a gap between the old retiring and the new unit being announced. Like mutilators would be.

Obviously there have been plenty of long-term nostalgia re-releases starting with GSCs in 7th. But those were gone for a while, at least a decade, and in most cases encorporated entire factions.


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Edit: did Rough Riders disappear from legends before the new plastics? That might be a precedent.

Chaos Lord with jump pack was dropped. then got a new plastic model with the last codex and behold, he has officially official rules again. The same could happen with Mutilators.

I don't think that's what the rumor engine is, though. My guess is bespoke possessed or mutated models of some kind for a Legion that isn't World Eaters, since they already have theirs. Doesn't even have to be Marines. Could be Cooltists as well.

The style looks to organic for a dreadnought or knight so mutilators sounds about right. Unfortunately. It have many design similarities with one arm/mutatation in the posessed kit.

I would really like a new helbrute in that style though.

It definitely doesn't look EC as we know it, but they have the freedom to do the design language for them almost from scratch. The number of 40k (rather than 30k) EC miniatures in the entire history of the game is shockingly small and not really visually unified by very much. So maybe they will lean into the body horror; it's not unprecedented (e.g. Kakophoni, Lucius).

I could see Mutilators returning as a WE-specific unit with new sculpts as part of a WE wave 2 - ideally including Bloodcrusher Cavalry (beyond a character), Berserker-Surgeons and maybe the Teeth of Khorne - but I wouldn't bet the farm on them happening.

Y’know, a fortnight ago I’d have said Necrons.

But now it could be Vashtorrian, Dark Mechanicum or Mechanicum.

It looks like a mini version of the main cannon from that new LI walker.

Indeed it does.

LI and HH don't usually get rumour engines, do they? Wild.

Looks like a more elaborate muzzle of a Helfrost Cannon.
A bit like smoky strands of almost liquid nitrogen coiling to the center.

I'd probably go with the general consensus of naughty Mechanicum.

However I'll throw a Votann curveball in there as it's not too dissimilar to the graviton weapons of the Thunderkyn and Brokhyrs.

Epic3 Orin Midwinter!

I'm going to wishlist and say it is a weapon option for an Archmagos on Abeyant.

Where the picture ends on the left, that stem or rod it's attached to looks quite thick really. I mean compared to the rest of the model. Maybe it is a weapon mounted on a vehicle.

Do the brush stroke highlights give a scale indication for this?

Anyway looks interesting for sure.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'm going to wishlist and say it is a weapon option for an Archmagos on Abeyant.

That’s not a bad shout. The zoomed pic can of course be misleading (and deliberately so), but that could easily be an Abeyant mounted zapper.

Well, it’s a Magazine of some kind.

Soon to be available in WH Smiths?

Autocannon mag?

Seen close up like that... Shouldn't the space between bullets be painted black, to show that they're sitting in a row, not embedded in solid metal? It's no 'drill your barrels', but I thought the 'eavy metal team would at least try!

Reminds of the 2nd Ed Imperial Guard Autocannon.

Misslelauncher

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Seen close up like that... Shouldn't the space between bullets be painted black, to show that they're sitting in a row, not embedded in solid metal? It's no 'drill your barrels', but I thought the 'eavy metal team would at least try!

Depends, perhaps the whole thing slides though the gun it is attached to, a bit like a revolver but in a straight line.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Seen close up like that... Shouldn't the space between bullets be painted black, to show that they're sitting in a row, not embedded in solid metal? It's no 'drill your barrels', but I thought the 'eavy metal team would at least try!

Depends, perhaps the whole thing slides though the gun it is attached to, a bit like a revolver but in a straight line.

I want to say there are historical weapons that have used similar mechanisms.

Looking it up, apparently they are called feed strips. The notable example is the Hotchkiss machine gun.

It ressembles a (relatively) uncorrupted version or maybe a variant of this here from a weird angle:



i.e. Terminator grenade/missile harness thingy™, although the bottom part does not look like it was attached to a Terminator suit. Maybe it's just because of the protrusion at the other end and i'm imagining things.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Seen close up like that... Shouldn't the space between bullets be painted black, to show that they're sitting in a row, not embedded in solid metal? It's no 'drill your barrels', but I thought the 'eavy metal team would at least try!

The design has a much bigger problem than that..
At the top; where are those rivets routed through?

Oh, yes of course, they are actually 'molecular bonding studs' which adhere armour plate layers together.
I see no problem with them on the side of a magazine or clip/strip..
They are sheared off as the clip fully enters the weapon obviously.

 SirDonlad wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Seen close up like that... Shouldn't the space between bullets be painted black, to show that they're sitting in a row, not embedded in solid metal? It's no 'drill your barrels', but I thought the 'eavy metal team would at least try!

The design has a much bigger problem than that..
At the top; where are those rivets routed through?

Oh, yes of course, they are actually 'molecular bonding studs' which adhere armour plate layers together.
I see no problem with them on the side of a magazine or clip/strip..
They are sheared off as the clip fully enters the weapon obviously.

Just chant the binary hymns and apply your holy machine oil and youll be fine.

 Fayric wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Seen close up like that... Shouldn't the space between bullets be painted black, to show that they're sitting in a row, not embedded in solid metal? It's no 'drill your barrels', but I thought the 'eavy metal team would at least try!

The design has a much bigger problem than that..
At the top; where are those rivets routed through?

Oh, yes of course, they are actually 'molecular bonding studs' which adhere armour plate layers together.
I see no problem with them on the side of a magazine or clip/strip..
They are sheared off as the clip fully enters the weapon obviously.

Just chant the binary hymns and apply your holy machine oil and youll be fine.

Repeat to yourself it's the Omnissiah's will, I should really just relax

Current rumors for Underworlds are a Daemon Nurgle warband and Seraphon. I wonder if thats what those nurgely rumor engines from months back go too


Edit: Yep

Underworlds Nurgle warband also solves

... but that's it? None of the alchemist/poison stuff from the Engine.

... could be one of the Seraphon tho

This guy, maybe?

 GaroRobe wrote:


This guy, maybe?

Arms is in the way for a clean view, but I think you are right.

Someone possibly found that unsolved arachnarok rumor depicted in the rulebook, which allegedly was another incarnate endless spell, like the Krondspire

I thought that got confirmed a while back as a cancelled release? Unless they've uncancelled it.

I think it’s still canceled. But the image is the best look we likely will ever get

Hah yes the arachanrok skull. Good spot. Shame that it's cancelled.

How do we know it's cancelled?

Is it a light? Hmmm.

a light makes sense. the three little bits also show up on power swords, tho, which gives me the funny idea of a power mine. don't even know what that would entail

anyway, vehicle bit? terrain bit? either of those feel most likely, more than it being something for infantry

Those wire bits also show up on things like psychic hoods. They are a fairly common design element.

It makes me think of Dreadnoughts, but I doubt that is a ball joint.

A power mine sounds funny It's like a bouncing betty, the disruption field is there to weaken the underside of the tank before the charge detonates.

I feel I've painted something that looks like that, on Eldar vehicles I think.
Perhaps underneath a falcon?

It reminds me of an automaton head.

Maybe one of the rumored Thousand Sons mechas, or a votann robot embedded in a vehicle?

First impression was a vehicle hatch, but I think a new Thousand Sons robot is a good call.
A R2D2 style robot copilot for a vehicle would be funny.


It also have some resemblance to a haywire mine.

my first thought was an anti-psyker mine, what with the 3 little wires looking suspiciously like a psychic hood. Probably something for Kill Team.

Could be something Votann but I'd not be mad convinced.

It doesn’t seem to have a handle or any other attachment point so I’m thinking separate token that goes on its own base, to mark an effect.
The wires suggest something slightly more sophisticated than just hi-ex boom, so maybe an EMP mine?
The dome could also be a lens or projector of some kind so maybe portable holographic cover to confuse people?

Votann robo-bro seen from above?

 Tastyfish wrote:
I feel I've painted something that looks like that, on Eldar vehicles I think.
Perhaps underneath a falcon?

Looks like it has rivets around the outside, so unlikely.

Have they removed a piece of a model to photograph before? Or are they always in situ just close up?

Because this looks complete, like that's the entire piece, so it could be a mine, or another one of those plastic token bits they keep reducing models to (grots, drones etc becoming tokens rather than models).

Almost like the imperial equivalent of the eldar ranger mine bits.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Spoiler:

Is it a light? Hmmm.

Wild guess?
Could be an 'Anbaric Claw' from a Krios Battle Tank of some variety.

Its definetly got an 'emitter' vibe but isnt anything like a flare shield, ion shield, ionic flare shield or void shield emitter.

Looks slightly smaller than your typical 'cupola' bits from the edge highlighting.

Spider Crotch, Spider Crotch.

Getting strong soulblight vibes.

Would be about time for a redone Zombie Dragon and Terrorgheist.

my first thought was night lords, but vampires make more sense

Could be Night Lords Daemon Prince?

Just a dumb question....

What is the typical wait time between the rumour engine cranking out a fuzzy image that looks like it was zoomed in with a 1989 HP inkjet printer that's low on toner... and we learning (officially) what it actually is?

Fastest ever was the exhaust vents for the Big Honking Plastic Imperial Knight, where it might’ve been as swiftly as the next day - certainly the following weekend.

Others have been over a year.

For instance, the second one from this year remains a mystery. And the Ratling diorama model was in the rumour engine (and apparently a sandbag) some time last year.

Thanks, I was also wondering what the successful guess rate was around here, because my success rate is so low that even Einstein wasn't sure if numbers can be that low.

Pretty awful! Some are more obvious than others. But when it’s say, a spiky blade, there’s too many aesthetics it could fit.

Sometimes someone nails it and they’re awarded an Entire Internet as a reward. Minus cookies.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Fastest ever was the exhaust vents for the Big Honking Plastic Imperial Knight, where it might’ve been as swiftly as the next day - certainly the following weekend.

There were a couple that were solved before they were even posted on the Rumour Engine, because they'd already previewed the full model and messed up with the Rumour Engine timing

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
my first thought was night lords, but vampires make more sense

I could see it. To me it looks like the back of a vampire character. You have the cape, the high skull collar, the other high collar because vampires are fancy enough to have two collars. Then the shoulder pads to the side. Then the bit in the bottom right corner is part of the breastplate. Going by the shade of grey it might even be red.

If Cursed City is bowing out next year then maybe it is Soulblights getting new models.

There's a few models in cursed City that would be welcome as main-line models for the army. Even if all the heroes vanish there's a bunch of troop style models and monsters that would be worth creating boxed sets around.

A new Zombie Dragon/Terrorgast kit (or two separate ones) would also be a big boon. I'm actually surprised they haven't updated it so far considering it pulls double duty for both Flesheaters and Soulblight.


But yeah this sneak peak looks very much vampire style or possible Night Lords

There is no I in skull.

I feel like we're not going to see more Imperial Agents releases, so my guess is a Necromunda character.

Grey Knights possibly? They generally go more for books and swords in icons, but there are more than a few special I's in there as well

I would ADORE more Imperial Agents, but I'm low on hope these days

EDIT: My kingdom for an Inquisitor kit along the lines of the Empire Battle Wizards box!

There were some rumours of a Grey Knight Kill Team. I guess it could also be another limited edition model that's another Inquisitor.

I would much prefer a "yes, we're sorry about Imperial Agents. Here's a second retinue sprue with deamonhosts and Jokero and stuff on it so they're actually useful as a unit."

probably a grey knights character, and i'll hazard a second guess to say it'll be their only model release for the edition

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
probably a grey knights character, and i'll hazard a second guess to say it'll be their only model release for the edition

With Grey Knights, it feels like they'll either get a single token release, or the entire range replaced, with no in between.

Between Imperial Guard, Aeldari and Emperor's Children confirmed as major releases for 2025 and Space Wolves rumoured, it does seem like the year is getting full already.

There are still some unresolved rumor pics that heavily indicate more imperial agents or a generic inquisitor model.
There was the "skull in a frame" relic that looked like the relic of a specific zealot from the inquisitor game. And also the servoskull scribe that mimiked that cool FW inquisitor.
And now, this rather uninspired lamp skull.

A generic plastic inquisitor model is surely on the cards.

It must be one of a handful of units in a 10th (or 9th edition for that matter) codex that currently does not have a model on sale.

The only inquisitors on sale are the named and the warhammer+ which doesn't even have a legal loudout.

 Asmodai wrote:
Between Imperial Guard, Aeldari and Emperor's Children confirmed as major releases for 2025 and Space Wolves rumoured, it does seem like the year is getting full already.

And we know Imperial Knights are one of the earlier releases in 2025, too, and I've no idea what they're likely to get.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:
Between Imperial Guard, Aeldari and Emperor's Children confirmed as major releases for 2025 and Space Wolves rumoured, it does seem like the year is getting full already.

And we know Imperial Knights are one of the earlier releases in 2025, too, and I've no idea what they're likely to get.

I'm hoping for a new special character. So I don't see Canis Rex in every single build.

Plastic Warhound!

 Overread wrote:
Plastic Warhound!

How did you read my mind? Are you a Psyker?

Grey Knight techmarine would be cool.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:
Between Imperial Guard, Aeldari and Emperor's Children confirmed as major releases for 2025 and Space Wolves rumoured, it does seem like the year is getting full already.

And we know Imperial Knights are one of the earlier releases in 2025, too, and I've no idea what they're likely to get.

Between the Cerastus classes and possibly Questor Mechanicus classes, assuming they don't stay Heresy - potentially quite a lot of new stuff that we have already seen in some form.

 Tastyfish wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Asmodai wrote:
Between Imperial Guard, Aeldari and Emperor's Children confirmed as major releases for 2025 and Space Wolves rumoured, it does seem like the year is getting full already.

And we know Imperial Knights are one of the earlier releases in 2025, too, and I've no idea what they're likely to get.

Between the Cerastus classes and possibly Questor Mechanicus classes, assuming they don't stay Heresy - potentially quite a lot of new stuff that we have already seen in some form.

To be honest, I'd be happy with the Moriax options. Give some more variety to the little guys.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Grey Knight techmarine would be cool.

I think it would be cooler if they weren’t traditional techmarines at all; the GK have their own private Forge right next door so they don’t actually need a cadre of builders. Instead they could have psychic machine healers; after all, that was the party trick which convinced the Mechanicum that Big E was the Omnissiah originally and we know it’s a skill regular humans can learn.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Grey Knight techmarine would be cool.

I think it would be cooler if they weren’t traditional techmarines at all; the GK have their own private Forge right next door so they don’t actually need a cadre of builders. Instead they could have psychic machine healers; after all, that was the party trick which convinced the Mechanicum that Big E was the Omnissiah originally and we know it’s a skill regular humans can learn.

While Diemos (and its we can make all currently available Imperial tech STC) is close by, the Nemesis Weapons are all made in house on Titan.

They have to have some sort of Artificer class available, since everyone who comes to visit Titan either leaves with a mindwipe or a new job as a servitor.

Would they not be regular humans carrying on the Terran manufacturing traditions? I.E. the ones the Cult Mechanicum wanted to wipe out because they kept making awesome stuff like Auramite and Psi-Titans but wouldn’t share?

I can easily see Jokaero beeing moved to grey knights to grease up their knight rigs and whatever weird science they have.

 Fayric wrote:
I can easily see Jokaero beeing moved to grey knights to grease up their knight rigs and whatever weird science they have.

Yes! They can fill the cute mascot slot in GK boxes that is filled by Watchers in the Dark, Wolves and Cherubim for other Imperial forces!

 Fayric wrote:
I can easily see Jokaero beeing moved to grey knights to grease up their knight rigs and whatever weird science they have.

Now I am only seeing a Orange Knight rig with a Jokaero in the baby bjorn carrier on the front

Very pointy, and I recognise the style and design from somewhere, but Mr Brain is busy making silly noises and won’t tell me where from.

Slaanesh blissbarb archer leader has a twin blade like that

https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Hedonites-Of-Slaanesh-Blissbarb-Archers-2020?queryID=78b00780a953330f6264bb9d2c630f04

My first thought was Necron, but then it suddenly clicked

As does Alpharius...

Looks like the Spear of Alpharius

Maybe a plastic AL upgrade kit?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
My first thought was Necron, but then it suddenly clicked

Ohh you're right! It wouldn't shock me if GW did do a new "Cauldron of Blood" and then splintered the multiple hero builds out into their own models from it.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Looks like the Spear of Alpharius

Maybe a plastic AL upgrade kit?

That’s where I recognise it from!

Reckon it could be Fulgrim now.

The haft that we can see seems a bit too techy for me to think it’s for aos

we've been hearing rumors about EC getting a bladeguard-like duelist squad, so this could be for that

 GaroRobe wrote:
The haft that we can see seems a bit too techy for me to think it’s for aos

It's really not that different from the one on the medusa. It even has the little nub in the centre.

That's pretty unquestionably The Pale Spear, the xenos spear carried by Alpharius.

In the 40k era it is carried by Solomon, an Alpha Legion commander from the Renegades: Harrowmaster novel. So probably a Black Library model of him?

comparing them side by side, they're certainly similar, but i'm not sure it's the same. certainly a high possibility

I wote for the Alpha Legion spear. The style and little details look more sci fi.

Also, alpha legion stuff would be great.

I think Emperors Children spear. It's Sci-fi and with the release coming at the end of the year/ next year it's timed correctly. It has very Slaaneshi vibes matching the Dark Elf and Slaanesh from AOS. It could even be one of a corrupted Fulgrim's weapons.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
comparing them side by side, they're certainly similar, but i'm not sure it's the same. certainly a high possibility

Yeah, looking at them side-by-side, they're close, but no cigar.

 Dysartes wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
comparing them side by side, they're certainly similar, but i'm not sure it's the same. certainly a high possibility

Yeah, looking at them side-by-side, they're close, but no cigar.

Close enough for it to be super weird if anyone not related to the Alpha Legion show up with it. I would claim it was really AL, no matter the colour of their armour

 Fayric wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
comparing them side by side, they're certainly similar, but i'm not sure it's the same. certainly a high possibility

Yeah, looking at them side-by-side, they're close, but no cigar.

Close enough for it to be super weird if anyone not related to the Alpha Legion show up with it. I would claim it was really AL, no matter the colour of their armour

Yeah it’s like 99% there. It would be really, really weird if it wasn’t either the same spear (the BL model for the guy who has it now is a compelling theory) or at least Alpha Legion of some description. It’s far too close to really be anything else.

my call at this point is one of these three, in descending likelihood:
- EC bladeguard
- AL BL character
- AL upgrade kit for HH

Eh, I'd vote against it being any SM sized model weapon. Judging by brush, it's at least as big as the Alpharius one, so would look comically oversized in the hands of SM (compare body next to Alpharius, just too big) unless it's really tiny and detailed plastic piece GW painters worked on for days.

Also, don't know why, but two side blades look really funny, like they were carved from pelvis bone. Something akin to Ossiarchs or DE? Or mutated Chaos weapon? Or maybe it's just an angle, but it feels almost organic in a way. Something like these Ossiarch spears on left:

The Teratic Cohort for the OBR for Warcry is one set where almost every model seems like it would suit being scaled up into a full infantry/unit block for the faction

Obviously it's the xenos race Alpaharius's spear came from, as a full new 40k faction

Gasp! A new Iron Lich Asphyxious! the 40k/WarHams crossover continues!

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Obviously it's the xenos race Alpaharius's spear came from, as a full new 40k faction

Not ambitious enough. Clearly they are to emerge as the first xenos faction to involve itself in the Heresy, mostly looking for their lost holy artefact.

its an alphas legion kill team, thats my guess. probably similar to the night lords one. leader will have one of those wepaons in his hand.

A whole bunch of solved rumor engine pics today!






















Sorry in advance if I missed any.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
A whole bunch of solved rumor engine pics today!

several that most people called as being plastic Krieg

disappointed this one wasn't a Ct'Tan like peope had speculated

totally thought this was going to be a nurlgy thing based on shape

never would've gotten this one

I think the wolf one was predicted since it’s on the other snarlfang models too

might have been. i only remember my (now proven incorrect) speculation

Yea the snarlfang shield was known to be a snarlfang shield, but I assumed it would be 1 snarlfang hero as the lone new release for Gitz this edition, happy to be wrong about that part.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Is it a light? Hmmm.

I think this might be the top of the kreig drill/cyclops thing. Need a better angle on the pics I’ve seen.

 Theophony wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Is it a light? Hmmm.

I think this might be the top of the kreig drill/cyclops thing. Need a better angle on the pics I’ve seen.

Valiant guess, but no

Cool, is that the new Cyclops remote detonation vehicle?

I love its new smaller profile and that it has a controller.

Thanks for the update.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Cool, is that the new Cyclops remote detonation vehicle?

I love its new smaller profile and that it has a controller.

Thanks for the update.

i think it's smaller than the cyclops, even as much as half, but i wonder if it'd still be usable for that purpose

One issue, is there a different configuration for the little unit? The rumor engine picture doesn't match the model.

i think the rumor engine pic is from a different model, since it's different

Hmmmm.... this guessing game is a lot harder than I first thought. But it's still fun to try.

It’s a jet nozzle for sure. Immediate thought was the CC Thallaxi variant. But that bracket thing makes me think Votann?

yeah definitely Votann with the roll cage feature. Maybe jet engine for a flyer/gunship?

It also matches all the primaris design language, so it may not be votann by default. Mechanicum was another good shout

It might be the Ursurax or Arlatax.

We don't get many specialist game studio rumour engines so I'd be surprised if it's Mechanicum.

We've still got a few RE's that are pretty obviously Votann, so a decent wave 2 seems likely, and there's no Marine vehicles rumoured, so I'd lean towards some new vehicles for the short boys. But Marines aren't impossible.

I'd also be fairly tempted to say Votann. That curved right plate is a good bet for it.


EDIT: are Grey Knights due some sort of psychic Primaris tank or something?

It might be the one thing that Votann needs but no one wants
...a flyer.

The Votann flying bikes seem to use the discs for propulsion rather than a jet, so I'm leaning to Primaris over Votann for this one.

Escher found something else to stick a jet engine onto

Hmm, its identical to every space marine jet, and no other faction share the design.

Nope, I got nothing. I gonna go with S... Squig?

 Fayric wrote:
Hmm, its identical to every space marine jet, and no other faction share the design.

Nope, I got nothing. I gonna go with S... Squig?

Squig pilot?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Hmm, its identical to every space marine jet, and no other faction share the design.

Nope, I got nothing. I gonna go with S... Squig?

Squig pilot?

For sure! In a mecha squig for the grot uprising.

 Fayric wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Hmm, its identical to every space marine jet, and no other faction share the design.

Nope, I got nothing. I gonna go with S... Squig?

Squig pilot?

For sure! In a mecha squig for the grot uprising.

It'll go with the grot tanks... I'm seeing a new detachment brewing.

Votann version of a Vyper

 Fayric wrote:
Hmm, its identical to every space marine jet, and no other faction share the design.

There also seems to be marine style grav-plates.

What are the Marines needing? A new scout transport?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


It’s a jet nozzle for sure. Immediate thought was the CC Thallaxi variant. But that bracket thing makes me think Votann?

Two things:

1) It's a space marine vehicle for sure, identical jets and grav plates.

2) It's not the only one on the model since the things above it aren't symmetrical, so it's not a jet bike.

What does the back of a storm speeder look like?

Could it be a variant or an new Dark Angel Master of the Ravenwing?

Didn't Dark Angels just get their model release and codex?

New land speeder storm, or equivalent phobos transport?

Primarus version of the scout land speeder/ scout transport land speeder?