Very curious. I wonder how this ties in with the state of AVP?

From what I understand both Warzone and AVP have been a giant clusterfeth.

Is there any reason to support this?

I feel like it'd be stupid to touch this with anything other than a ten foot clown pole.

Hopefully this generates money to keep their company afloat for long enough to get my AvP stuff, but I'll be fethed if I give them any more money. They make GW business practices look shrewd.

Its sad they have such a chequered past. I really, really love Starcraft. Not as much as Halo, but it's up there. Those zerglings look a little devoid of detail in the facial region.

 Medium of Death wrote:
From what I understand both Warzone and AVP have been a giant clusterfeth.

Warzone was fine for a first time KS company doing a licence. AvP is kinda messed up though, which makes this a surprise. I would not have expected Prodos to get another licence deal.

Then again, maybe it's not a KS project and they can actually work out the hard parts before selling stuff to people. Would be great to see a Starcraft 15mm (or is it 6mm?) mass wargame.

Is the ring on the dudes hand in the picture the One Ring? Ugh...I hate our people sometimes.

Not really that familar with Starcraft but are we sure thats what it is?
"Would you like to know more?" is very much associated with the film version of Starship Troopers, but they're not very bug-like I will concede.

 Pete Melvin wrote:
Is the ring on the dudes hand in the picture the One Ring? Ugh...I hate our people sometimes.

Not really that familar with Starcraft but are we sure thats what it is?
"Would you like to know more?" is very much associated with the film version of Starship Troopers, but they're not very bug-like I will concede.

Definitely Zerg there.

Wouldn't surprise me if Prodos thought they were the same thing.

No, these are Zerg Hydralisks, no doubt about it.

So, another project for them to fumble and clumsily handle.

Guess we'll know more "soon"

How does Prodos keep getting licenses to these franchises? Surely there are better companies who want the license? surely the IP owners researched Prodos' past?

EDIT: And another thing, those minis look completely devoid of detail, even for (i'm guessing) 10mm scale

You could almost say... that making good on good IPs... wasn't Prodos's... Star craft
*puts on sunglasses*
yeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhh.
I'll see myself out

Another licence to these guys? How even?

They keep getting the IP's because they sign the contracts no one else would. You know the ones saying something to the extent of go ahead and invest all your money to create these things and then bring the final samples o us to approve. When we tell you to change everything ever so slightly you must begin from scratch and reinvest all the money again. Meanwhile the one guy who can approve the product can only be reached on the sixth Friday of the third month (fails to tell which type of calendar) unless there is a phase of the moon which is less than full. Also you cannot use the word "the" in any product.

Hi Dakkers!

In regards to AvP, I think we have been clear where we are in last KS update. Handling the huge license like AvP could be difficult as we deal with a huge Corporation and Prodos for them is simply ..no one, thus the delays.

As for Warzone Resurrection, it's healthy as never before (including the previous editions). The license is handled as it should be and we had the same approach to the AvP, which, clearly did not work.

However, it's almost there.

In regarding this product, it's not KS projects, we are not doing any more KS as the business is self sustained with current line of the Products and services the Prodos provides to other companies.


BTW, if you would ask me how the hell we are getting licenses...The simply answer will be that no one wants to deal with any corporation. Now, after a year of fun with Fox we know how to play that game.


Thanks.

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
EDIT: And another thing, those minis look completely devoid of detail, even for (i'm guessing) 10mm scale

No, they look like they have plenty of fine detail, even for 15 mm.

 Alex C wrote:

 Pete Melvin wrote:
Is the ring on the dudes hand in the picture the One Ring? Ugh...I hate our people sometimes.

Not really that familar with Starcraft but are we sure thats what it is?
"Would you like to know more?" is very much associated with the film version of Starship Troopers, but they're not very bug-like I will concede.

Definitely Zerg there.

Wouldn't surprise me if Prodos thought they were the same thing.

Alex, just because we are dealing with Corporation and we are late with the KS... bear in mind THE Licensed product, not some random GW rip off it doesn't mean we are some bunch of idiots...

I think, personally, your comments are not fair to us and Prodos team , I understand that you may be unhappy us because the KS is delayed... however. again how many, NON licensed KS are delayed., Have you been flaming every other company equally or just us for AvP?

Apologies.

Just tired of waiting.

Then gotta wait some more after the initial wave.

You're probably in the same boat though I suppose.

I'm just such a big fan of the IP, I get so emotionally invested. You guys know what I mean. To see things constantly delayed is frustrating, then I just feel like I'm being fed bullgak excuses, but I guess I forget a lot of it is out of your hands at this point.

I just want this to be perfect. Models look awesome. I want the game to be as awesome, or better. Both the board and war games. You do too, of course.

Life feels gakky right now. Lots going on here that sucks. I guess I'm just lashing out for no good reason. Again, apologies.

I would absolutely love to see more of this! I love Starcraft and I really love the sculpts from Prodos. My Warzone stuff looks lovely.

I'm also glad you're not going the Kickstarter route this time around.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
EDIT: And another thing, those minis look completely devoid of detail, even for (i'm guessing) 10mm scale

No, they look like they have plenty of fine detail, even for 15 mm.

Yeah, those would be the most impressive 10mm figures ever made, and if they are 15mm, in the top tier.

 Medium of Death wrote:
From what I understand both Warzone and AVP have been a giant clusterfeth.

Is there any reason to support this?

I think you just answered your own question.

 Alex C wrote:
Funny how I'm the one constantly picked out amongst the MANY vocal, dissatisfied customers here.

I'll be fair with you as soon as you demonstrate that your company is at a level above fething amateurs, or you give me my money back.

While we're talking about being fair with people, maybe go over the concept with your CEO. He certainly has not been above lying to and insulting backers.

I'm critical of some other companies and projects, sure, but few companies display your level of incompetence and deceit so perhaps that's why I seem overly harsh on Prodos.

Can you please, be specific when I have been lying to any one?

Or when I have been insulting backers?

I don't have time for any PR, at all, also I stay away from forums like Dakka Dakka is because its distraction from work...clearly it is difficult to find anything creative on the forums nowadays anyway.

I would suggest to maybe start up your own business and get into someone shoes to see how much sweat, tears and nerves cost to develop the license product before you flame anywone. And all of that is happening behind the scenes, and there is no need to share with you or any backer that pain at all.

Please respond to my service@prodos.co.uk mail with examples of me laying or offending anyone, this is not the place to discuss this at all.

Warzone Resurrection - we're always grateful for any 'official' company presence here on Dakka Dakka!

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:



I don't have time for any PR, at all, also I stay away from forums like Dakka Dakka is because its distraction from work...clearly it is difficult to find anything creative on the forums nowadays anyway.

Ouch!

A little below the belt there, don't you think?

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
I think, personally, your comments are not fair to us and Prodos team , I understand that you may be unhappy us because the KS is delayed... however. again how many, NON licensed KS are delayed., Have you been flaming every other company equally or just us for AvP?

If every kickstarter creator ran off of a cliff, does that mean you should? YOUR company has a massively delayed product and that is what matters. The fact that other companies have been doing the same doesn't excuse it. Also, I don't know Alex C personally but I'm pretty sure he hasn't pledged on EVERY other company with massively delayed projects but pledged on your's. Why should he comment on things he doesn't have $$ invested in as opposed to the one he does?

 Pete Melvin wrote:
Is the ring on the dudes hand in the picture the One Ring? Ugh...I hate our people sometimes.

I was thinking that as well. I hope it isn't a wedding ring. The subtext of that would be...Let's just say I wouldn't want my wedding band to be the One Ring.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
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Please respond to my service@prodos.co.uk mail with examples of me laying or offending anyone, this is not the place to discuss this at all.

This isn't your KS. You can't unilaterally shut down access because you feel like it under false pretenses (since YOU said there wasn't any IP dispute yet that is the reason you CHOSE to close down the KS). If you feel your company's actions and the effects of them as justification for pledging/not pledging for your next project is off topic, you can press the warning button to alert one of the mods just like the rest of us. You don't get to decide on your own with no input from thousands of readers to simply shut the discussion down when it becomes inconvienent due to your own actions and that of Fox.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

BTW, if you would ask me how the hell we are getting licenses...The simply answer will be that no one wants to deal with any corporation. Now, after a year of fun with Fox we know how to play that game.


Thanks.

Before reading this I was just about to post that Prodos is probably one of the few companies to just...ask. I wouldn't be surprised if most folks simply presuppose that getting a license would be difficult or expensive, or that the corporate entity would be too challenging to deal with.

Oh for feth sake Jarek.

I edit my post after some reflection that sure, I'm probably being unfair, now this.

I can't give you any specific quotes as the KS page was taken down and you edit everything else.

Several times during the project we were lied to. You said there would be a gameplay video, we got nothing. You said there would be rules to see before the end, but nope. We were supposed to get army lists to plan our final pledges, again, nothing.

After the campaign we get into all the lies about delivery, wave shipments, project status etc.

fething hell, if you can't see how gakky you've treated everyone that gave you money almost 18 months ago then I have no hope of getting through to you.

I'm tired of this whole fething charade. You won't refund me. No doubt I'll get the shittiest models and game components you have. But I'm far from the only dissatisfied customer, not even the most vocal.


You ask me to provide an example of you insulting backers. Well, you provided your own in the same post. "I would suggest starting your own business blah blah blah". How fething childish. I have no desire to start a company doing licensed games. Evidently you do, which is why I gave you money.

A decision I thoroughly regret.

Warzone Resurrection wrote:
*snip*
BTW, if you would ask me how the hell we are getting licenses...The simply answer will be that no one wants to deal with any corporation. Now, after a year of fun with Fox we know how to play that game.
*snip*

I like this. Bruised and battered, but ready for more. Hats off to you!

His Master's Voice wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
EDIT: And another thing, those minis look completely devoid of detail, even for (i'm guessing) 10mm scale

No, they look like they have plenty of fine detail, even for 15 mm.

Agreed, they look good.

I know naff all about Starcraft, but I would love an EPIC style game with gribblies and big guns!

Alpharius wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

I don't have time for any PR, at all, also I stay away from forums like Dakka Dakka is because its distraction from work...clearly it is difficult to find anything creative on the forums nowadays anyway.

Ouch!

A little below the belt there, don't you think?

No time for PR, indeed. Or even a concept of what it is and how powerful it can be.

Well this degenerated quickly.

There's something to be said for public communications from official company representatives being universally positive.

It is a pretty good policy, at least in my view of the world.

I find that writing a potentially problematic forum post in a word file, saving it, and then reading it over an hour later before posting it is a good exercise.

First stuff first, having things to say, and being able to express them well, are two different concepts.
In other words, PR is a job, a real job, with specific skills required.
Being knowledgeable and enthusiastic about your product, or otherwise very competent at your job is important, but won't necessarily translate into being good at PR.

I've pledged for the Warzone KS, got my stuff, and I'm happy with it. I'm fully intent on buying more when I can.
I've also pledged for the AvP KS, and if my nickname and avatar don't tell you how much I like the license, nothing will. Yeah, I'd like my stuff, and all the delays are annoying. I don't think it's all in Prodos' hands however. Could Prodos have done better in some places ? Certainly. In the end though, as long as we get good minis on par with the Warzone stuff, I'm pretty sure most people, myself included, will overlook the delays.

Now, 15mm Starcraft mini line ? Hell yeah !

 warboss wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
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Please respond to my service@prodos.co.uk mail with examples of me laying or offending anyone, this is not the place to discuss this at all.

This isn't your KS. You can't unilaterally shut down access because you feel like it under false pretenses (since YOU said there wasn't any IP dispute yet that is the reason you CHOSE to close down the KS). If you feel your company's actions and the effects of them as justification for pledging/not pledging for your next project is off topic, you can press the warning button to alert one of the mods just like the rest of us. You don't get to decide on your own with no input from thousands of readers to simply shut the discussion down when it becomes inconvienent due to your own actions and that of Fox.

LEt me clear this, my intention was to stay on the topic as per DakkaDakka rules.

In the interests of being fair, Prodos has done some great work for Wolsung. Very happy with that stuff.

I'm gonna have to get into this!

 Alex C wrote:
Oh for feth sake Jarek.

I edit my post after some reflection that sure, I'm probably being unfair, now this.

I can't give you any specific quotes as the KS page was taken down and you edit everything else.

Several times during the project we were lied to. You said there would be a gameplay video, we got nothing. You said there would be rules to see before the end, but nope. We were supposed to get army lists to plan our final pledges, again, nothing.

After the campaign we get into all the lies about delivery, wave shipments, project status etc.

fething hell, if you can't see how gakky you've treated everyone that gave you money almost 18 months ago then I have no hope of getting through to you.

I'm tired of this whole fething charade. You won't refund me. No doubt I'll get the shittiest models and game components you have. But I'm far from the only dissatisfied customer, not even the most vocal.


You ask me to provide an example of you insulting backers. Well, you provided your own in the same post. "I would suggest starting your own business blah blah blah". How fething childish. I have no desire to start a company doing licensed games. Evidently you do, which is why I gave you money.

A decision I thoroughly regret.

We have explained the reason for delays, damn I even shared the pic from the approval system just make sure I won't get accused for lying.... we have said why KS page needed to go and I've, in the name of the whole Prodos company, apologised for the delay. If that, in your opinion, is treating "gakky everyone", then I don't have any idea what else we could do to please you.

My intention was not to insult you, but to explain or rather to show different view on the case, from our perspective and all Prodos employees, as, clearly, your words may be coming through out "pissed off backer" filter.

The Starcraft stuff looks pretty, and since it's not a KS, I can't really see there being any issues. When it comes out, if you like it, you can buy it.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
Funny how I'm the one constantly picked out amongst the MANY vocal, dissatisfied customers here.

I'll be fair with you as soon as you demonstrate that your company is at a level above fething amateurs, or you give me my money back.

While we're talking about being fair with people, maybe go over the concept with your CEO. He certainly has not been above lying to and insulting backers.

I'm critical of some other companies and projects, sure, but few companies display your level of incompetence and deceit so perhaps that's why I seem overly harsh on Prodos.

Can you please, be specific when I have been lying to any one?

Or when I have been insulting backers?

I don't have time for any PR, at all, also I stay away from forums like Dakka Dakka is because its distraction from work...clearly it is difficult to find anything creative on the forums nowadays anyway.

I would suggest to maybe start up your own business and get into someone shoes to see how much sweat, tears and nerves cost to develop the license product before you flame anywone. And all of that is happening behind the scenes, and there is no need to share with you or any backer that pain at all.

Please respond to my service@prodos.co.uk mail with examples of me laying or offending anyone, this is not the place to discuss this at all.

Jeez dude, the man apologised and this is the post you respond with? Well you were right about one thing, you clearly don't have any time for PR.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

We have explained the reason for delays, damn I even shared the pic from the approval system just make sure I won't get accused for lying.... we have said why KS page needed to go and I've, in the name of the whole Prodos company, apologised for the delay. If that, in your opinion, is treating "gakky everyone", then I don't have any idea what else we could do to please you.

My intention was not to insult you, but to explain or rather to show different view on the case, from our perspective and all Prodos employees, as, clearly, your words may be coming through out "pissed off backer" filter.

We know you care, we all do, if none of us cared, we wouldn't go on rants and ask for our stuff, we'd just shrug it as a loss. So lets all take a deep breath and realize we're on the same boat, right ?

 Alex C wrote:
In the interests of being fair, Prodos has done some great work for Wolsung. Very happy with that stuff.

We've been helping out 8 other KS thus far.

Joking aside, I wish we had such support in the Warzone KS era (it's like 1 million years away for us) it was one hell of a ride!

 Pete Melvin wrote:
Jeez dude, the man apologised and this is the post you respond with? Well you were right about one thing, you clearly don't have any time for PR.

May I suggest reading the full quote in your post?

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Pete Melvin wrote:
Jeez dude, the man apologised and this is the post you respond with? Well you were right about one thing, you clearly don't have any time for PR.

May I suggest reading the full quote in your post?

And may I suggest you read this quote slightly further down the page which was AFTER the post quoted by Prodos?

 Alex C wrote:
Apologies.

Just tired of waiting.

Then gotta wait some more after the initial wave.

You're probably in the same boat though I suppose.

I'm just such a big fan of the IP, I get so emotionally invested. You guys know what I mean. To see things constantly delayed is frustrating, then I just feel like I'm being fed bullgak excuses, but I guess I forget a lot of it is out of your hands at this point.

I just want this to be perfect. Models look awesome. I want the game to be as awesome, or better. Both the board and war games. You do too, of course.

Life feels gakky right now. Lots going on here that sucks. I guess I'm just lashing out for no good reason. Again, apologies.

Actually I edited the rant with the apology.

 Pete Melvin wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Pete Melvin wrote:
Jeez dude, the man apologised and this is the post you respond with? Well you were right about one thing, you clearly don't have any time for PR.

May I suggest reading the full quote in your post?

And may I suggest you read this quote slightly further down the page which was AFTER the post quoted by Prodos?

 Alex C wrote:
Apologies.

Just tired of waiting.

Then gotta wait some more after the initial wave.

You're probably in the same boat though I suppose.

I'm just such a big fan of the IP, I get so emotionally invested. You guys know what I mean. To see things constantly delayed is frustrating, then I just feel like I'm being fed bullgak excuses, but I guess I forget a lot of it is out of your hands at this point.

I just want this to be perfect. Models look awesome. I want the game to be as awesome, or better. Both the board and war games. You do too, of course.

Life feels gakky right now. Lots going on here that sucks. I guess I'm just lashing out for no good reason. Again, apologies.

I missed that bottom post, my apology. And yes we are on the same boat, we are stirring it, are a passenger and our navigator is the licensor.

1) Go home, Prodos rep, you're drunk. There is zero point in arguing like an fool, you haven't appeased the other poster and now you sound like a bitter jerk. Stahp.
2) if it is a product dropping straight to retail, colour me interested. From what i have seen warzone is doing alright and avp will do alright when it is finally sorted. I have no dog in either fight, so I'm more interested in finding out what the op is all about than dogpiling hate on kickstarters when it seems that this hasn't anything to do with kickstarter.

Amazing how this works... A company makes a product, fully accepts the risks, releases it at retail for a price, We pay them that price, We get the product immediately.

I didn't know miniature-based games *COULD* be obtained any other way but a KS full of false promises, vaporware designs and 10+ month waits...

If this makes a retail release, we can either 'buy' or 'not buy' based upon value and quality observations of a finished product. Sounds reasonable to me. I wish more companies worked this way.

Funny how it actually now sounds like a revolutionary concept.

 Pete Melvin wrote:
And may I suggest you read this quote slightly further down the page which was AFTER the post quoted by Prodos?

No, you may not. The response was to a Strength D apoc template rant, not to the apology posted later.

There is no reason to attack any of the involved parties, nor lend moral support to anyone, as they seem to be handling the situation quite well, without outside interference.

nkelsch wrote:
Amazing how this works... A company makes a product, fully accepts the risks, releases it at retail for a price, We pay them that price, We get the product immediately.

I didn't know miniature-based games *COULD* be obtained any other way but a KS full of false promises, vaporware designs and 10+ month waits...

If this makes a retail release, we can either 'buy' or 'not buy' based upon value and quality observations of a finished product. Sounds reasonable to me. I wish more companies worked this way.

problem is Prodos did not fully accept the risks They shoved the risks (money invested) onto the backers and that is where the problem lays. I'm sure there would be a better community support for them IF the kickstarter page was still accessible and backers could feel that they were able to vent frustrations or see progress. But what happens is no company communications besides "Soon" and other items get developed and put out in the meantime. Even though we know that a company must keep earning money to stay afloat there is always the feeling in the back of ones mind that "They have my money+ they aren't giving me my stuff= they must be Thieves" even though we really know they are working on the project and are stuck as well. But that is something for PR people to handle.....much like a companies official prescence on a gaming forum.

I told you all it was a bad sign when they couldn't even get Xenomorph feet right...

 Theophony wrote:

nkelsch wrote:
Amazing how this works... A company makes a product, fully accepts the risks, releases it at retail for a price, We pay them that price, We get the product immediately.

I didn't know miniature-based games *COULD* be obtained any other way but a KS full of false promises, vaporware designs and 10+ month waits...

If this makes a retail release, we can either 'buy' or 'not buy' based upon value and quality observations of a finished product. Sounds reasonable to me. I wish more companies worked this way.

problem is Prodos did not fully accept the risks They shoved the risks (money invested) onto the backers and that is where the problem lays. I'm sure there would be a better community support for them IF the kickstarter page was still accessible and backers could feel that they were able to vent frustrations or see progress. But what happens is no company communications besides "Soon" and other items get developed and put out in the meantime. Even though we know that a company must keep earning money to stay afloat there is always the feeling in the back of ones mind that "They have my money+ they aren't giving me my stuff= they must be Thieves" even though we really know they are working on the project and are stuck as well. But that is something for PR people to handle.....much like a companies official prescence on a gaming forum.

I was talking about the Starcraft stuff not being a KS... And purposely referencing the previous KS campaigns.

So in regards to Starcraft, if they make a retail release without any form of pre-funding, then they are for that project accepting the risks and not relying on vaporware or free money to get the product to retail, just the strength of the final product and the strength of the value set by the price point.

Ignoring all of the handbags at dawn and one-upmanship for a moment, that looks like pretty small scale (perhaps even 10mm?)

Very, very excited about this! As a massive Starcraft fan I would absolutely love mass battles of Marines against Zerg.

Glad to hear this isn't a KS as well.

Wouldn't it be such a sweet, sweet slice of the irony pie if the next big Epic style game used Starcraft lore as a base?

nkelsch wrote:
Amazing how this works... A company makes a product, fully accepts the risks, releases it at retail for a price, We pay them that price, We get the product immediately.

I didn't know miniature-based games *COULD* be obtained any other way but a KS full of false promises, vaporware designs and 10+ month waits...

If this makes a retail release, we can either 'buy' or 'not buy' based upon value and quality observations of a finished product. Sounds reasonable to me. I wish more companies worked this way.

Yes me too and I miss that more and more.
KS is not going away anytime soon though.

As for AVP debacle, like all KS's its a huge risk that backers freely decide to take period. At the end of the day many things can happen to these projects. AVP is delayed due to many explained reasons and communication has been a bit up and down so what? Are you afraid to lose your money? Well think about it next time you go KS route because all of them are just that, risky investments ( some more controlled than others).
Without taking sides on this I think that the minis sculpted so far that I have seen last salute DEMAND to be produced and sold, they were that good ( and Im also Giger's fan nº1 ).
So less drama and more work, get these done already.

As for the 10mms Starcraft, not interested on that scale but looking very sharp.

nkelsch wrote:

I didn't know miniature-based games *COULD* be obtained any other way but a KS full of false promises, vaporware designs and 10+ month waits...

Kickstarters are inherently risky for the backer yet an excellent way for small developers to fund their product. It will not be going away for a very long time and complaining about it is about as meaningful about complaining that rain is wet.

The big issue with Kickstarters is that far too many people simply don't understand the inherent risks involved, by far the most prevalent of which is delays. I have pledged 6 KSs so far and I have received a grand total of 1 of them; the one that I am most looking forward to was recently delayed for an entire year (and probably more) while another hasn't had an update in 6 months. Its simply one of those things.

Personally I am more irritated by Prodos's seeming inability to concentrate on 1 game system given that I have invested quite heavily in Warzone.

As for 6mm Starcraft (these look a little too small for 10mm) then I am fairly lukewarm as I'm just not that interested in Starcraft, at least in its modern form, but I withhold judgement until I see more.

 judgedoug wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
EDIT: And another thing, those minis look completely devoid of detail, even for (i'm guessing) 10mm scale

No, they look like they have plenty of fine detail, even for 15 mm.

Yeah, those would be the most impressive 10mm figures ever made, and if they are 15mm, in the top tier.

Apologies. I may have been being a bit harsh. I guess I just don't like them. The Zergling heads look a little mushy and the Hydralisk just looks off to me. I'm probably being a stickler.

StarCraft in smaller scale with good coverage of minis (that are hopefully all scaled consistently in the line) would be amazing.

Not since WOTC had the license for them and dropped producing their 25/28mm versions when they pulled plug on Alternity StarCraft game has it looked this promising.

The fact this isn't KS is even better. I'm tired of KS-based stuff that cuts the FLGS out of the loop. Hard to sell a company's stuff at MSRP when they've sold it via KS at 1/xth the price (deep discount).

Sorry to take this thread, er, off topic...

But:

1. Does anyone have any more information on those figures?
2. Are they associated with a game?
3. Is there a timeline for release?

They look fantastic, and I'd love to learn more. They look roughly in scale with the excellent FFG figures from the Starcraft boardgame!

 paulson games wrote:

Spoiler:

SAURON CREATED ZERG!

Groovy!

Seems this is fresh off the presses, and no one really knows much. But folks sure love to complain. Amen.

 Pete Melvin wrote:
Is the ring on the dudes hand in the picture the One Ring? ..

Of course not. It was destroyed when Frodo chucked it into Mt. Doom.
That's a replica

Looks cool. I'm a HUGE StarCraft/SC2 fan, having played somewhat seriously in the past (and its probably why I got into 40k in the first, well, that and the pics from InQuest magazine way back when) and I'd be all over these. I don't know that I'd ever actually play the game, but I'd certainly love to own some awesome SC models.

Will definitely be keeping an eye on this.

I need to see some Zealots!!!

I'm not going to comment on the big debacle unfolding, however, I will say that I so await the retail release of AVP. I'm a huge Predator fanboy, so getting some minis I can paint up is high priority.

Now, StarCraft minis... I'm torn. The scale looks really small, smaller than I really care for, Small scale means I need more because if it's for a mass-battle game, then obviously you need big amounts of models for it. If it's cheap enough, huzzah! if not, too bad.

Not a big fan of Zerg, would love to see some Protoss stuff though, as they're really the only race in SC I care about.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

Now, StarCraft minis... I'm torn. The scale looks really small, smaller than I really care for, Small scale means I need more because if it's for a mass-battle game, then obviously you need big amounts of models for it. If it's cheap enough, huzzah! if not, too bad.

Small scale is the whole idea if you want mass battles!

It's the done thing in most of the games available on the market. How many people have got the money, time and space to have a 10ft wide playing area with 100-200 28mm miniatures? At this scale, they'll hopefully be able to approximate the battles you got in SC of swarms of Zerg overwhelming (zerging!) a Terran outpost, without it costing hundreds of pounds and something you would only see at a big display game at a convention.

Can you imagine if they found a way to have units being constructed and fighting for minerals/vespene gas on the table?

"You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons."

I think, given the picture shown, that "Ssssspawn morrrre Overrrrrlorrrrdsssss" would be more appropriate ;P

******Nuclear Launch detected!!!*******

I hope we get the female ghost model from the scrapped PS game.

 BrookM wrote:
"You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons."

Leave me alone computer. I'll do it "Soon".

Honest question, what is the problem with prodos games, they seem legit.

 BrookM wrote:
"You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons."

I suspect that will be on Prodos' end and not ours.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Honest question, what is the problem with prodos games, they seem legit.

Amazing models. Less than stellar PR and communication skills.

I wish them success with this new line. Models look lovely as always

Again, apologies for my prior conduct.

AVP KS pledge not withstanding (Soon XD)

15mm Starcraft tabletop game, colour me interested.

Now if we can get one off 54mm Grunt Marines to paint, you can have all my money Prodos.

Amazing models. Less than stellar PR and communication skills.

And too many drama queens that do not understand the principle of KS. Btw. with big companies like Fox involved there is always some delay bound to happen.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:

Amazing models. Less than stellar PR and communication skills.

And too many drama queens that do not understand the principle of KS. Btw. with big companies like Fox involved there is always some delay bound to happen.

Indeed. I have adjusted my attitude. That is not a problem of Prodos Games though, that is my own problem.

 Alex C wrote:

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:

Amazing models. Less than stellar PR and communication skills.

And too many drama queens that do not understand the principle of KS. Btw. with big companies like Fox involved there is always some delay bound to happen.

Indeed. I have adjusted my attitude. That is not a problem of Prodos Games though, that is my own problem.

No, I still think it is the company's problem. If you back a KS campaign and you never get your pledge reward or if the quality/condition is not as promised, it is somewhat daft to expect restitution. However, that does not mean the project creator/company didn't screw the pooch.

Accepting the risk of non-delivery does not rob one of a right to criticize, complain, or assign fault. In fact, backing a KS campaign gives you far more of a moral right to meddle/take an active interest in the way that a company is handling a product/project.

If you buy a product off the shelf after having ample time to evaluate it and the product does not meet your expectations, that's a whole lot different from speculatively investing in a product in the midst of its development. As KS itself states, backers are part of the creation of the product. No KS project creator should be able to complain about backer feedback.

If a backer gets anything for shouldering the project creator's risk, it is the right to complain about the way a project is handled.

Alex C, were you privately messaged a picture of your AvP KS Pledge being held over a bin or something?

I love the imagery of Starcraft, the Terran marines just look so awesome, think this kind of game (if they can somehow capture the 'feel' of the PC game) is ideally suited to a smaller 10 or 15mm.

We these guys..


Doing this..

weeble1000 wrote:

Accepting the risk of non-delivery does not rob one of a right to criticize, complain, or assign fault.

To an extent this is true but given the very nature of kickstarters backers need to be much more flexible than they would be buying a standard commercial product from an established company. Delays and the like are all but inevitable and people really need to accept that when they back a project it is highly likely that there will be issues along the development path. Complaining about these issues is fine to an extent but some of the splenic venting that has been going on in the AvP thread sounds more than a little 'entitled' considering that backers will still be getting their pledges fulfilled 'soon'.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

weeble1000 wrote:

Accepting the risk of non-delivery does not rob one of a right to criticize, complain, or assign fault.

To an extent this is true but given the very nature of kickstarters backers need to be much more flexible than they would be buying a standard commercial product from an established company. Delays and the like are all but inevitable and people really need to accept that when they back a project it is highly likely that there will be issues along the development path. Complaining about these issues is fine to an extent but some of the splenic venting that has been going on in the AvP thread sounds more than a little 'entitled' considering that backers will still be getting their pledges fulfilled 'soon'.

I totally agree that backers should adjust their expectations when approaching a KS project. I was principally responding to a possible interpretation that backers have no business criticizing because they backed a KS.

Backers don't cause a funded campaign to fail when it comes to follow through. Project creators are responsible for that. That's the distinction I wanted to emphasize. Once a backer has paid his/her money, the obligation ends. Everything that happens after that is in the hands of the project creator, regardless of how they choose to characterize it.

Gack happens for sure, and delays can be expected. But A) project creators are the only ones who set the timeline. If a project fails to deliver 'on time', it is important to keep in mind that the time-frame is self-imposed by the project creator. And B) production/supply chain are chosen by the project creator. If there's an issue with that, it is in the project creator's hands.

If I am running my business and I can't get re-stocks from a supplier 'on time', you can bet your boots it is going to be my problem from the perspective of my customers. It is my problem because I would have created can expectation that I subsequently failed to meet. Kickstarter doesn't absolve a project creator of that type of responsibility.

I have no bone to pick with Prodos, and this looks like it could be pretty damn ace.

Makes me glad I've held off buying Planetfall

 Pacific wrote:
Alex C, were you privately messaged a picture of your AvP KS Pledge being held over a bin or something?

Nope, just trying to shift my attitude to a better outlook on things in general. Need to try and be a better person than Grouchy McIrritable all the time It's doing me no good.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:
Btw. with big companies like Fox involved there is always some delay bound to happen.

Both the Buffy The Vampire Slayer RPG and City Of Heroes RPG had multiple books written that never got printed, because the parent corporation didn't give enough of a gak about the license, and didn't care that the company that wrote them invested time and money into their development.

That's a good shift, Alex - bravo! Most people just dig in and never adjust, I am genuinely impressed

I will say, I backed AvP really heavily, but soon after sold my pledge as I realized I had wayyyy too many aliens already (as I had also backed Trollforged's Alien Assimilation Host campaign, and gotten the finished sculpts early on since I actually had two pledges in, and needed the models for AdeptiCon).

It's a major bummer they have not been able to deliver at all, and I think it's valid to ask where they are in the approval process with the Starcraft minis. Are these just unapproved prototypes, or will these be ready to sell soon?

The answer to that question will determine my interest. If they are approved, I'm extremely interested... if not, then based on AvP, I think it would be prudent to wait until they're approved or very close to it (otherwise it could be a case of history repeating itself).

So, I hope they can answer that or someone can ask at Salute and pass on the answer to us here

I think, more importantly, have they got the absolute written permission of the IP owner for what they are showing,

(since overenthusiatic unapproved reveals are what's put the AvP KS in such a sticky situation)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
(since overenthusiatic unapproved reveals are what's put the AvP KS in such a sticky situation)

Blizzard is easier to work with than Fox. They are also a company built around gamers and understand gaming, promotion for gaming as opposed to what Fox is.

I pulled out of the AvP KS because the word I got was that we'd be seeing slightly lower quality but less expensive plastics soon after release of the initial resin game. I'm not into 15mm (for some reason) but this is interesting to me. From an outsider who isn't waiting for stuff, I don't get a sense Prodos is doing anything other than stumbling a bit. They are still an extremely new company and I think people expect every company out there to work flawlessly without growing pains. Back in the 80s or 90s, a stumble like this could have meant the company's demise. The fact that they're recovering at all, let alone being able to sustain an internally funded project speaks to a certain level of finesse behind the scenes. If I get into 15mm this will likely be my entry point.

It is a lot easier to recover from a 'stumble' when you are holding a fistful of KS backer funds.

Really, how hard is it to take a bunch of money for something, not deliver that something, and remain liquid?

I'm not trying to be a dick or suggest that Prodos has no intention of delivering. I expect that the company does plan on fulfilling. That said, from a general perspective, when a KS campaign is successful the project creator has the cash on hand.

That's a lot different from putting a bunch of money into development and hitting a snag before you can release, and thereby get revenue from, a product. You are 'in the red', so to speak, before your product has a chance to bring in revenue.

That's not exactly the case with Kickstarter. If a campaign funds, there ought to be some money in excess of development costs, or else the campaign was woefully planned and could never have delivered in the first place.

I will buy starcraft miniatures if they make it to retail happily. But j would be very reluctant to back a kickstarter From prodos at this point in time. Maybe if they completely deliver avp and then DO a kickstartet but even then I'd rather pay the extra at retail I think.

I'm too much of a SC fan not to buy these minis retail. I'll probably buy every army if there's rules to go with them. I'm staying away from any Prodos Kickstarters though.

I really hope we'll hear more about this as people come back from Salute this evening!

I'd buy a boat load of Terran and proxy them as UCM in Dropzone Commander provided they're of similar scale (The zerg in the photo look a touch smaller than 15mm in scale to me, fingers crossed for 10mm!)

Wow, no news on this at all?

Sining wrote:
Wow, no news on this at all?

Must...not...post...can't...fight..it..,"Soon!"

Did have a look in the Prodos stands but have to say I didn't see anything Starcraft related!

Although I had forgotten to look and so wasn't searching for it..

i didnt manage to speak to the prodos guys as they were pretty busy at the time but I didnt notice any starcraft stuff on display and I was looking for it.

I may have missed it or it may not have been there. I didnt look for very long because I had to weave in and out of people to dos o.

So there was no surprise at the Prodos stand then?

Not that I saw but thats hardly conclusive. I wasn't at the stall long and its very possible I missed it as I missed several things during salute that I noticed later in others photos.

Ibis wrote:
I really hope we'll hear more about this as people come back from Salute this evening!

I'd buy a boat load of Terran and proxy them as UCM in Dropzone Commander provided they're of similar scale (The zerg in the photo look a touch smaller than 15mm in scale to me, fingers crossed for 10mm!)

That's a neat idea, Ibis!

(And welcome to Dakka )

I was hoping there'd be more of a fuss made about this by now if there was going to be a reasonably close release date.

I love Starcraft, even though Blizzard is rapidly flushing its lore down the toilet. I will always have a soft spot for it.

Did Prodos bring any of their StarCraft hintings to Salute and/or are there any other updates? Lots of folks really interested in this.

They are waiting on one more signature before they can share anything Starcraft related.... wait wrong IP....

Any news on this at all?

I'm not so sure Blizzard, that is activision will be much easier to work with than Fox. Then again I'm sure they like that it's gone full circle. Star Craft was inspired by wh40k and now it will get a miniatures game of it's own. Then again it's hard to tell who's worse at handling their IPs Blizzard or GW.

Well after a quick Google search the models that we have already seen where indeed on display as Salute:



The models look like they where really tucked out of the way during the show...

The image is from http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/?p=140927 but as far as I can tell there is zero new news.

Very well spotted Collinsas

Shame there hasn't been any more news!

Although, right now I hope they can keep focus on AvP until that is released..

I'm assuming the robots next to them are from the Terminator game and are 32mm?

Schmapdi wrote:
I'm assuming the robots next to them are from the Terminator game and are 32mm?

More likely Warzone.

Right - for the Cybertronic faction.

I didnt notice those and I was looking for them. Well spotted.

Excellent - I've been wanting to try out a 10/15mm range for some time but been holding out for a "modern" one with nice sculpts and, hopefully, not made of metal.

Though I'd much rather they do Warcraft than StarCraft. Then I'd really be excited.

The minis are looking to be 6mm (epic scale) potentially even 3mm given how large the Hydralisk are compared to humans and the miniature looks to be barely 10mm. The rounded shoulder bases are 3mm tall.

They'd be significantly larger if it were 10mm-15mm scale.

Well, the scale of Starcraft is more variable than even 40k's, so I wouldn't make any bets just yet

The thickness of the bases strongly suggests 10mm at most, although the actual models look more like 6mm.

Hopefully there will be more to go on at the UK Games Expo in a couple of weeks

I would be very, very surprised if these turn out to be 6mm, I think it's probably more the case that the miniatures don't match the scale of that diagram.

I'm sure Prodos will want to capture the essence of the computer game in their tabletop representation, and doing that at 6mm would mean pretty much playing on a 2ft x 2ft board.

 Pacific wrote:
I would be very, very surprised if these turn out to be 6mm, I think it's probably more the case that the miniatures don't match the scale of that diagram.

I'm going off base sizes and those bases are approximately Epic sized.

I'd asked Prodos about the scale on facebook and here's their reply

Prodos Games: They are 6mm and a testing of how small scale we could print and cast them.

So looks to be 6mm.

Hmmm. Was hoping for 10mm at the smallest. Regardless, doesn't sound like they're ready to put out anything in the next couple of weeks so I still have time to save.

Sorry to bump this up, but anymore news with this?

Protoss are one of my favorite races in any setting. I was watching this one. I nearly started DZC because the Shataari (spelled wrong I'm sure) reminded me of the Protoss, but it'd be nice to play a game with the real thing.

Hello fellow Nova-ite!

I too am curious if there are any updates.

There was a Prodos guy at GenCon, but I could never get anywhere near him to ask myself :(

There has been no mention of this since Salute. One of the Prodos guys has said that these particular minis were a test to see how small they could make miniatures so who knows what that means.

Bummer.

Hopefully they keep testing until they have a full range...

It seems like Prodos has a lot on their plate though. I guess this got pushed to the back burner. If they are smart, they could release it around the same time as Legacy of the Void (next starcraft expansion), but that seems unlikely since LotV is apparently coming out this year.

 paulson games wrote:
The minis are looking to be 6mm (epic scale) ]

Yes! Yes! Yes! These look great, and I will buy many of them if they are of compatible size with EPIC tyranids. The GW plastic infantry remains rare and expensive on e-bay. (And far too static-looking in pose.)

Hopefully these make it into production.

-S'Cipio

I would be definitely interested in these. The Starcraft unit designs are pretty cool.

So these are supposed to be 15mm or epic scale? Maybe I missed it but was there any word on 28ish-mm? I'd love to build a space marine army out of starcraft marines.

Wow, I always thought Hydralisks were about as big, maybe a bit bigger than the Marines...

Then again that's a dude out of armor... still, sheesh.

 Necros wrote:
So these are supposed to be 15mm or epic scale? Maybe I missed it but was there any word on 28ish-mm? I'd love to build a space marine army out of starcraft marines.

You could just read the thread, not least the post 2 above yours. These are 6mm but as they are supposedly test miniatures that's no guarantee that they will be 6mm if they ever get released.

Are there any news about a Starcraft miniatures wargame???

Nope, they are just a workability study for the time being.

There appears to be another sculptor making Starcraft minis, he has some stuff for sale. I haven't found anything else on the web about him. Check it out:


http://www.shapeways.com/shops/starcrafttacticalcommand