To keep things short I answered the call for a 2500 point casual/narrative game at my lgs.
I show up with my list I took a black crusade detachment chaos warband/terminator annihilation force he took a Gladius strike force.
1. He didn't wish to play purge the alien i thought maelstrom of war would help me grow
As a player still new to the game.
2.Terrible mission type for the board city table with only two lanes of attack.
3.He moved his rhinos some empty some with marines inside flat out and by turn 2 my warlord and his retinue in the land raider were surrounded unable to disembark because they could not come be within 1 inch of his models.
4. By the time I was able to kill enough rhinos to create room he just moved marines onto the wrecks. He took like 60 tactical marines so he could do this all day.
5.He told me to stop playing chaos and play a real army.
6.I play the game To have fun I love the fluff behind the crimson slaughter and I know a lot of people dislike them but it's what I enjoy.
7.I also know my opponent doesn't owe me anything but how am I supposed To learn from a game like that?
8.the gloating all game loudly so everyone in the store could hear "I killed your knight in overwatch" laughing that my chaos Lord was unable to get out of the land raider.
I'll admit I'm salty I'm used to losing I've won 2 maybe 3 games over the last year out of around 20 or so games. But that game (2 days ago) has taken me to the point where I want to quit. What is your worst gaming experience?
I was hanging at my FLGS, and another guy there was looking for a game, so we decided on his DG vs my EC. He straight away started bad mouthing my army composition (Termies, Noise Marines, and plenty of cultists) and his was clearly superior (Plague Marines and bikers). Well, my Termie lord led the retinue of cultists into his bike death star and tied them up in CC from Turn 2 throughout the game and my Noise Marines magically kept pinning his Plague Marines, so my deep striking termies wrecked the couple things he had in the back and my 2x small squads of footslogging CSM were able to seize objectives. I thought I had a good strategy as well as some good dice roll. The guy kept bitching and moaning that I had an awful list, he kept saying cultists were a waste of points, but they somehow tied up his hundreds of points worth of bikers, so I thought they did well. After I won, he kept saying I had a bad army. I wanted to be like "You can't sit here and criticize my army when it beat yours fairly handedly", but I just nodded and noted to not play him again.
There was another time we were playing a massive 3v3 and my teammate rage quit after his Baneblade was destroyed by my brother's dark lance turn 1. He said lances were cheese and it wasn't fair. This was probably 15 years ago when Baneblades were FW only and superheavies could be one-shotted.
The first 'apocalypse' game I ever played back at the start of 6th (I say apocalypse but really we didn't used any of the special rules we were just allowed to take SH, GMC and apocalypse formations) was my worst gaming experience. I had 3000pts of CSM+Renegades and my opponants were a team of 2, one guy had 1000pts of SW the other had 2000pts of BA. I had bought a shadowsword a couple of weeks ago for my renegades (back when they were allowed to use the thing) and I was quite excited because it was my first SH.
To understand what happened next you must understand that the BA player has a strange obsession with Commander Dante that verges on relegious.
On turn 2 the BA player DS Commander Dante along with a unit of assault terminators onto an objective near my Shadowsword, then it came around to my turn: the Shadowsord fired upon Dante's unit. (Remember this was back before SD got nerfed) Suffice to say most of the unit was obliterated, Dante failed his LOS and Invul, it was a devistating blow and should have made the BA + SW players come up with some new tactics, but... The BA player rage quit. This wouldn't have been so bad given the circumstances but he wasn't playing alone, because he rage quit the SW player couldn't play anymore.
This was less an awful experience for me and more me fealing sorry for the SW player who was having a lot of fun but had to end the game early because the BA player got a bit salty. You might say I shouldn't have brought the Shadowsword but I did warn both players, everyone agreed to it, and they even took advantage of some of the apocalypse formations themselves.
Now I know not to play this guy if he's bringing Dante.
I've repeated this story several times but its still my worst experience to date.
3rd or 4th Apoc match ever. Back during 5th Edition it was supposed to be 3 IG (me and 2 other guys) vs 3 Orks. I show up with every model I had at the time (I couldn't tell you the points, I can't recall, it had enough for an Apoc), but problems start off the bat. The other 2 IG guys never show up (I can't recall the reasons for it, but all I remember is it was a reasonable one like family for one of them). ALL 3 Ork players are there and have set up the table super long ways. At first I wanted to sit at the end of the table with the Orks coming at me like a sort of big defense match. But they change it to the length wise Apoc matches you see. I go along with it as I still want an Apoc game. When the same starts they start pulling crazy abilities out of thin air for their Orks such as the Pulsa Bomb. Its a real weapon but they increased its effects radius significantly (I looked it up afterwards). The most irritating cheat they did was shooting the side of my Baneblade "Thunderfury" with the Supa-gatler. They claimed that adding a second set of sponsons to a Baneblade reduces its side armor. I told them it didn't, (it doesn't. removing sponsons gives it armor 14, but adding sponsons doesn't lower the AV). One of them grabbed the only Apoc rule book and walked away from me pretending to read it, flashed a page that had a baneblade on it and withdrew the book before I could read it at all while stating in an "official" tone that adding sponsons lowered AV.
I knew for a fact that I was being cheated at this point. It was 3 guys in their like 40s or something vs a kid in his early 20s and they were just being complete . I eventually called the match and left. I havn't seen them since except I saw one of them at the FLGS but I made a point not to even acknowledge him (he didn't acknowledge me).
The whole thing still irritates me to this day. I've made a point to get almost every book needed for a match. I don't have them all as GW books are expensive (which ones aren't?) but if it comes to Apoc I have every book concerning my own units such as Baneblades and even the Imperial Armor books which I go out of my way to show and explain to other players what the crazy little tanks that come out of that book do (I made Kharne the Betrayer vanish once with an Instant Death, Beast Hunter shell from a Vanquisher, I showed the book and the stats and the list and it was all good).
OP you probably could have just tank shocked your landraider out of there.
My worst experience has to be in a tournament. After my first tournament I made the rule never to participate in another one again (I reckon those were pretty gakky games as well).
But my little brother had booked for this (doubles) tournament and his buddy had pulled out, so he roped me into it.
Also this tournament was emphasized as a friendly one.
So, me and my bro pitch up and we're fighting a combined renegade guard/Tau army. Tau player is just forgeworld riptide spam all over. Guard player is just static artillery spam filling a skyshield pad with raised walls. So you cannot climb onto the pad and you cannot draw LoS to the units on it either.
They get first turn and promptly wipe us out, completely. Just gone.
The players were total witches as well. Like they would fight tooth and nail to stop me getting that 5+ cover save, or insisting that they can get LoS because they can see my models outstretched pinky.
I've had games where I've close to that level of annilation. Every time though my opponent has realised that they've brought that hammer down too hard on me and that whether or not they give me even a 2+ cover save is irrelevant to them.
I was about 15 then and for the next hour I didn't say more than one word answers because I was so miserable and pissed I didn't want to burst into giant man tears.
I must say though I've joined another friendly tournament recently and they're still the same. Half the people hear the word friendly and make for fun games, the other half ignore it and continue sledgehammering me with whatever the current flavour of cheese is.
I can play the first group without dealing with the second thank you very much.
Just a note, there are no such things as friendly tournaments.
Tons of tournaments players are awesome guys, actually probably the majority, however there is always at least some donkey cave with a donkey cave list
If you go to a tournament that costs any money and a prize is on the line, bring the hardest thing you got. Cuz the other players will. Money and prizes are on the line.
If it's free and no prize at all, then it's just kind of an organized game setup. And that's when the fun stuff should come out. But never assume "friendly" for a tournament that includes an entry cost or prizes. Never.
My worst experience is relatively tame compared to most. Our gaming group had one power gamer in it. He was a nice guy outside the game, but he was a constant rules lawyer and habitually stepping over the line with rules shenanigans once the game started. On top of this, he pretty much only played an OP list with just enough variation to keep direct counters from happening. Which no one bother counter lists since the rest of the group didn't go for that kind of thing.
Additionally, after years of playing he hadn't painted a thing. Which helped me to developed my lack of interest in playing opponents with unpainted armies. I am not saying all players with unpainted armies are like that. I am sure most aren't, but my experience has been players that haven't even placed primer (wet season excluded) after a couple months tend to be some of the least fun to play.
It wasn't exactly one game that did this. Although, it did get to the point that I would bring two armies. One to play anyone else and another that would lose quickly to him so I could get on with my day. Again, he wasn't a bad person, which made it difficult to say, "I don't want to play against you" or even bring it up. It was just that once the game started he was very much a WAAC gamer. Which really did not mesh with the rest of group's dynamics.
It got to the point having the having to play him tax to get in a game with the rest of the group was too much for me. So I left the group partly due to that and partly due to I didn't have the free time like I used to.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, I was playing another in the group with what I thought was going to be a relatively weak, fluffy list. However, at every turn, my army was shutting down everything he could do which all my tactics kept working like clockwork. I'll admit I was playing extra hard from the start as I thought I would need to have a good game. After the first turn my opponent had already lost in his mind (and was probably correct in reality).
I could tell he wasn't have any fun. This was tough for me as I was really enjoying my actions working with such precision. However, I couldn't really enjoy it as my opponent was just so deflated. I could tell he felt like anything he did caused him to fall further into my trap to the point of inaction.
So turn two, I went for a risky win condition as I don't think he would have been happy just calling the game there either. I managed to get the right rolls to meet the win conditions save my opponent may have had a unit close enough to contest. We didn't measure as both of us wanted the game to end as quickly as possible at that point.
Of course, next game we played he pretty much tabled me. But that was a lot of fun due to the crazy antics and heroics on both sides of the that game.
Tons of tournaments players are awesome guys, actually probably the majority, however there is always at least some donkey cave with a donkey cave list
Yeah :( I've learnt that one the hard way.
I think it just makes things worse as putting in the friendly bit only serves to knee cap those that read it.
None of the (now 3) 'friendly' tournaments I've been to have involved a proper prize. 2 involve bragging rights, 1 involves a certificate.
1 of them needed a £5 buy in though, which just covered the venue (normally it's £5 per game, so you got 2 games free). But that only had bragging rights as a prize. Well technically the certificates required a buy in, but that was optional to cover transport and food (this was at Warhammer World)
I don't have any specific 'Worst' experiences, but I have played a couple games where my opponent actively criticized my strategic choices as I was beating him with them. Those are always especially aggravating, because even when I say I know what I'm doing (And that statement is evidenced by the fact that I'm destroying his army and winning the game,) I can never get the other player to concede that I might have a point.
I love how some of you guys always seem to find a new low in the context of positivity.
But lets stay on topic. My worst gaming experience was my frst 40k game, as a 5th edition wfb player. I really didn't like the shoot all the things and don't care about tactical movement style of play. It would take me multiple editions to try 40k again.
I remember countless games of having to deal with cheaters, mostly kid players. One particularly egregious example would have to be a 4 for all battle I partook in with 3 other younger players.
One was cheating, one was cheesing with Sanguinary Guard, and the other was waiting with his Orks on the corner of the board till one of us was put down; that last one had to be the most shameful display I've seen.
They also just weren't very pleasant to play with. They wouldn't pay attention, they'd argue at the slightest provocation, and of course they cheated. I vowed to not ever play with anyone who is younger than me after that day, with their seas of grey plastic that they never had any intention of painting. Still going strong on that vow.
Waaaghpower wrote: I don't have any specific 'Worst' experiences, but I have played a couple games where my opponent actively criticized my strategic choices as I was beating him with them. Those are always especially aggravating, because even when I say I know what I'm doing (And that statement is evidenced by the fact that I'm destroying his army and winning the game,) I can never get the other player to concede that I might have a point.
Gotta love this gak. Can't beat your opponent legitimately, so you resort to distracting them and trying to sabotage their play.
My worst experience occured the first time I played Farsight. I wanted to try out the big 7-bodyguard death blob, so I asked my opponent, and I got a super seerstar deployed against me. I did sort of ask for it, but jesus christ that game was tedious.
General Annoyance wrote: I remember countless games of having to deal with cheaters, mostly kid players. One particularly egregious example would have to be a 4 for all battle I partook in with 3 other younger players.
One was cheating, one was cheesing with Sanguinary Guard, and the other was waiting with his Orks on the corner of the board till one of us was put down; that last one had to be the most shameful display I've seen.
They also just weren't very pleasant to play with. They wouldn't pay attention, they'd argue at the slightest provocation, and of course they cheated. I vowed to not ever play with anyone who is younger than me after that day, with their seas of grey plastic that they never had any intention of painting. Still going strong on that vow.
G.A
Honestly, I don't think four-way games can ever really go well with 40k. The system is not designed for it, not in the slightest. Plus, it's hard enough getting two players with a reasonably well matched army, getting four players who all brought something with approximately equal balance is practically impossible. (Lets say one player brings a tourney list, another brings a friendly TAC list, someone else brings a hard rock on the rock/paper/scissors chart, and one guy brought his fluffy Cadian 8th army - That's not going to be fun for anyone.)
In three and four-way games, you always end up with one player ganged up on. I always try and divide my army equally against all enemies, but that usually just means I'm the one who gets ganged up on. (Though I did pull off a board-wiping win once in a 3-way between Orks, Tau, and Thousand Sons where I got 2v1ed and still won - I got a little lucky by getting first turn and deployment, and the Tau player was completely unprepared for my tactics, but it was still impressive. That was a fun game.)
How old were they? Also, how old are you? I've never had problems playing with people older than 16 outside of specific individuals, and only regularly have issues playing people in the 12-14 year age range.
Waaaghpower wrote: Honestly, I don't think four-way games can ever really go well with 40k. The system is not designed for it, not in the slightest. Plus, it's hard enough getting two players with a reasonably well matched army, getting four players who all brought something with approximately equal balance is practically impossible. (Lets say one player brings a tourney list, another brings a friendly TAC list, someone else brings a hard rock on the rock/paper/scissors chart, and one guy brought his fluffy Cadian 8th army - That's not going to be fun for anyone.)
In three and four-way games, you always end up with one player ganged up on. I always try and divide my army equally against all enemies, but that usually just means I'm the one who gets ganged up on. (Though I did pull off a board-wiping win once in a 3-way between Orks, Tau, and Thousand Sons where I got 2v1ed and still won - I got a little lucky by getting first turn and deployment, and the Tau player was completely unprepared for my tactics, but it was still impressive. That was a fun game.)
How old were they? Also, how old are you? I've never had problems playing with people older than 16 outside of specific individuals, and only regularly have issues playing people in the 12-14 year age range.
That is essentially what happened. I've had other 4 for alls thought that have gone very well - these people were just known for either cheesing their lists in a club of only casual players, or for straight up cheating.
It was a while ago - I was probably 13 or 14 at the time, and they would have been a few years younger. It wasn't the first time I had played with them and they had pulled their antics, but it certainly was the last.
From then I found that playing with much older gamers was far more rewarding than with the majority of people my age (I did play with a couple of my good friends who were my age). Then my paedophobia developed, and now I just feel a lot more comfortable around people who are at least 17.
It's probably why I like my new gaming community so much - I'm the youngest member by a significant margin, and not once have I had to deal with the bullgak I would expect from an immature child.
Once there was this time I couldn't find a local group to get together and play wargames with because I seem to be in wargames BFE.....and then that moment lasted for the last 15+ years.
I have one local (25 miles away) store that sells GW/Privateer, etc, and in the last good many visits, I have never actually been in line with anyone else buying minis.........or rarely even seen anyone browsing.
The time I got beat the worst was against tau. Dude was playing his first 7th edition game and had just gotten a 2500 point army together. He was a nice guy and I knew I would loose but I did not think i would be wrecked before my first turn. Because of a warlord trait he got deep strike on a bunch of suits and blew up my baneblade before it ever got a shot off, apocalyptic explosion hits a 20man squad right next to it and essentially destroys the entire platoon. The guy even said he didn't know he was that cheese and apologized. He was a good guy but I learned there how bad tau could be.
Next to that the worst game I ever played was a tournament with some stacked psykic bs that gave a million cultists invisibility and hatred or rage. I can't remember the combo but I just remember the frustration of pouring literally atleast 150 shots into it and not being able to kil any ofl them before they slogged over and punched tanks to death. Really cheese really lame. That time the player was a jerk too. I forgot to pivot a tank and on my shooting phase I say I intended to pivot this russ and the opponent is like "yea you can move your tank, in your movement phase." Blood boiling. I'm not the type of player who cares about winning but this was probably the only game I did not want to finish. This was a tournament with no prize I should add. He's not a bad person either but I would hate to play him again. Dudes a total rules lawyer, the type to weigh in even when he's not the one playing and players have agreed to somthing.
Warband Death Guard with some Spawn against an Ad-Mech War Covocation with allied Coteaz and Culexus.
First of all - some concerns about 'counts as'. 2 Malifaux minis being used to represent the assassin and Coteaz. Both looked pretty damn identical. Mind slipped a moment and didn't realise until the Assassin was riding Typhus and the Sorcerer's arse. Was also using a Thanatar stood on a rock as an Imperial Knight on a board with very sparse terrain. As a result his Knight had cover, mine did not due to it being about 3 inches shorter.
Game pretty much went as follows.
Ad-Mech seizes the Initiative with a reroll(thanks Coteaz). Grav spams a squad of Terminators and the Knight out of existence. Moves the confusing assassin up to basically shut down the Sorcerer and Typhus and also decides to kill a unit with it. Rest of his shooting pretty much removes another Chaos marines unit and the Raptors.
So end of his first turn and I have a damaged land raider, 2 psykers unable to do anything (Nurgle being almost entire buff-debuff based), a squad locked in combat.
I concede. At this point when I have a third of my army left and have to cross open ground to do anything against 24 or so grav shots per turn...very little point continuing.
Group then has the gall to say 'I ruined the game for my opponent by conceding.'
Uh...sorry your Turn 1 Alpha Strike army got off its turn 1 Alpha Strike?
Maybe if that was such an issue you shouldn't take a Turn 1 Alpha Strike army with 2 confusing character models and a shorter than normal Knight stand-in?
8.the gloating all game loudly so everyone in the store could hear "I killed your knight in overwatch" laughing that my chaos Lord was unable to get out of the land raider.
In his defense, in terms of the game's narrative, the idea of a Chaos warlord being unable to exit his transport because he parked too close to a wall is pretty funny.
My story: the guy played taudar, I played for fun, 'nuff said.
Well, I'm lucky that I haven't had many instances of "worst game" but one definitely comes to mind.
Playing in a tournament and my first opponent was a great game, plenty of action, plenty of good moves and it puts me in a really good mood.
Then I play guy that had a Rep as a WAAC arse hole, and boy did he show it. He essentially spammed the feck out of the Tau fish of fury maneuver, and locked down the board. Needless to say I wasn't impressed. Adding in his really smug attitude and I was really close to calling him out and other choice words. Don't get me wrong, I was a powergamer myself, but at least I didn't munchkin the rules like he was.
However, he had his comeuppance. Another guy who had a huge SM collection was his opponent in the semi final and Mr Fury was in full obnoxious mode saying he would win. At the last minute,the SM guy changes his list, and adds in so much heavy ordinance he essentially tables the guy on turn 3. Turns out the fish of fury maneuver doesn't like getting 3 vindicator shots...
A consistent thing I have happen when I play orks is people stopping to watch the game criticize my life choices. I'm playing orks for crying out loud, you don't think I know how bad the army is? I don't care how good bikers are, im not investing 100 dollars into something that A. doesn't fit the theme of my army and B. isn't even on the same tier as other competitive units.
Yes, I'm positive your eldar/tau/necron/marine list or whatever could kill my orks 10 times over. I don't care, that's not why I collect orks.
I played a 3,000 Point 2v2 a while ago where one of the guys insisted on taking their time in doing everything. Deployment for their team alone took more than an hour and a half simply because they were trying to prevent a formation I had from Deep Striking too close to their valuable units (even though their teammate took over a half hour less to do the exact same sort of thing). After telling them to hurry up (since myself and the two other players were getting bored and their deployment shouldn't have taken anywhere near this long), Turn 1 started and I found a gap in their deployment to deploy my Deep Strikers (since they can come down in Turn 1) at which time they immediately said "Aw, I would have deployed this model from this unit in order to stop you doing this!" and "You know what I was trying to do with my deployment! You rushed me! You're not playing in the spirit of the game!". I could see where they were coming from with the whole 'Spirit of the Game' thing, but at the same time: They had an hour and a half to deploy 1,500 Points (since that's the way we did it in this game). Turns out later that there was a full 20-man unit that they forgot to deploy and didn't realise until Turn 3. Meanwhile - while this 'Deep Strike Fiasco' was going on, their teammate was helping me determine whether or not it was possible due to the 1" rule (since the gap I found was still pretty tight) while the guy making the fuss was arguing with me and my teammate.
After that was all done and I eventually deployed it elsewhere, there were so many occasions of "Aw, I would have done this if I'd more time." or "Aw, I would have done this if I'd thought about it a bit more." immediately before asking for concessions that we had no business giving him because it was either against the rules of the game, not a concession we were willing to make, or both. Concessions they asked for included redeployment of some of their units during my team's Turn 1, remaking consolidation moves their units made during his while we were in my team's ensuing Shooting Phase (i.e. half a Player Turn after the move had been made and finalised), and asking to do summoning they had forgot to do during their turn in my team's turn.
By the end of the game, the remaining three of us (since this person's teammate couldn't come to the four more sessions it took to complete this game) spent almost 20 hours over 5 sessions to complete this game, not to mention it was a half an hour drive each way from my house to this person's house for each session. One of the worst parts of it was that this person thought the game was fine and the time it took to play it was normal. I can safely say I'm not playing them again any time soon.
Mid-5th Edition I got into the game. I'd just finished painting my brand new Eldar Battleforce and Farseer (I had played one game with them unpainted with a friend to get to know the rules a little better) and went to a local hobby store for a game. I say I'm a new player and ask if anyone wants to play a 500 point game.
Guy says he may as well seeing as nobody else is there to play. I pull out all of my models and show him my list. He pulls out a Librarian, Scout Squad, Tactical Squad, and a Landraider. A [i]Landraider[i]. I deploy, he deploys, he steals the initiative. I won't bore you with the details but at the end of his Turn 1 I had a War Walker, 6 Guardians, and my Farseer left. End of Turn 2 I had nothing and he still had most of his army left.
After the game another guy told me he was a TFG just looking to improve his win-loss ratio and told me not to be discouraged, which was nice, but still that slaughter wasn't fun for a second game ever.
It's funny that since I've had what I'd call worse encounters but none of them have stuck with me like that one.
Time to break up the 40k stories with one from X-Wing. My opponent is playing an a-wing swarm, I'm playing a bomber (with AoE bombs) and an ace. My ace takes the flank, my bomber sets up to AoE bomb his formation, or at least force him to break up his ships and not be able to focus fire so easily. But no, he lines up in close formation and heads straight at the bomber. I drop a bomb right on top where his formation is about to go, and he flies the whole squad right into it. Worse, he does it in a way that has them all collide, so they can't use actions to move away. The TFG moment comes in when his ace lands in the pile of his wingmen, right on top of the bomb. He tries to argue that the ace actually bumps farther back and doesn't make it to the bomb. I point out that no, it clearly doesn't, and offer to put down the maneuver template to show it. He starts to get upset and insists that there's no need to measure, he can just bump back there where it's convenient. I insist on putting down the template, and the ace very clearly lands on top of the bomb. The bomb does explody things, his ace dies next turn to a cute bomb trick I had, and my ace is still not even in the fight. At that point he ragequits. Not only does he ragequit the game, he loudly informs everyone else in the store that he's never going to play me again because I'm TFG, he'll concede any game anyone tries to schedule against me. He then changes his mind and declares to everyone that the entire league is "too competitive" and "not fun", and he's done playing in it. Not long after I get banned from the league because of "anonymous complaints". that guy, that store.
TL;DR: refusing to let someone blatantly cheat because they don't want to lose is TFG behavior.
Many moons ago, possibly even last century - the penultimate game of a three month long Mordheim campaign. The top three in ascending order? My Reikland Warband, Lol's Undead and TFG's Witch Hunters.
I had one game to go, as did Lol. TFG had two games in hand - one against me, one against Lol.
Being first up the store, we got my game underway.
Ends up TFG got to choose the scenario. He chose Street Fight. That essentially reduces the board to a 12" wide, 48" long corridor, so you're literally fighting down a single street. He actually chose that - despite going up against not just one of the most naturally shooty Warbands in the game, but one that was absolutely rock hard after three months of experience gaining and trading. With Witch Hunters - an army that usually does best in melee.
3rd party sets it up, and there's not an unreasonable amount of cover and debris in the street to make things interesting.
And off we go. Oh. Oh it was horrible. Arrows flew thick and fast. Blunderbusses loaded with Superior Black Powder, forced to roll on the Blackpowder chart and getting +1 strength, his Warriors attempting daring leaps from rooftop to rooftop only to break their own legs. He didn't so much not win a single combat, but not even make it to combat.
I absolutely shredded his Warband - I wiped out two of three Henchmen groups (as in ded ded, not just removed from the board), bumped off his Captain - and three of his dudes wound up sold to the Pits where my run of outrageous luck continued, and they met their demise.
What's so bad about that? TFG went full on TFG. Huffing, puffing, demanding he check every rule (in my book nonetheless because he hadn't brought his), demanding I roll on every possible chart (such as Blackpowder, which is akin to a modern Plasma Overheat, despite Blunderbuss not rolling to hit). And my word did he whine. And I remind you - he chose the Scenario...
Post Game sequence was worse. I cracked on with my recovery/injury rolls and started working out XP, whilst TFG bellowed at some poor kid to give him his rulebook so TFG could do his post-battle.
Net result of game? My Warband surged into first position, and his absolute mauling saw him fall way, way behind.
Then Lol showed up......and did pretty much the same. LOL maintained second place - and TFG wound up last, having held his lead through the rest of the campaign. If memory serves he had no characters left and maybe two Henchmen?
Given I've been playing TTWG for, ooh.....knocking on 25 years, and this came nearly 20 years ago (old....I feel old) should give you some indication to what a horrible experience it was.
In mid 3rd edition my gaming group started a multi-week campaign. Now, I live 90 miles from my gaming store, so this once-per week trek was pretty much a day-long event for me.
I was playing Necron at the time, and for the first time in over a year I made an alteration to my list (subbing out a massive block of warriors for a monolith, just because I wanted to see what using a single heavy support choice was like)
The week's game started with me having extremely bad luck with mission selection, what opposing army I was to face, the extreme skill level of my opponent, and the fact he got first turn in what should have been a turkey-shoot of dead necron.
In order to win by victory points I needed to move a huge, mostly foot slogging, force 36 to 48 inches in 6 turns while not loosing to many units to concentrated fire from Tau.
In the first turn he managed to either miss or fail to penetrate my Monolith with 4 railguns. Somehow this was "Necron Cheese". Due to LOS issues caused by a surviving Monolith he managed to only kill a single warrior and a single Destroyer.
On my first turn I rolled HOT, taking about 30% of his army out. However, due to mission requirements he likely could have retreated to a corner and hid for 5 more turns and still won. Instead he packs up his army in a rage-quit while badmouthing me and my army. Total play time, about 30 minutes.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: He is aware that of all the dakka a Monolith laughs at, Railguns (now of course Heavy Railguns) really weren't counted amongst them?
Knowing something and willingness not to complain about it are two different things. Just like when he complained about my Gauss weapons being cheesy when my warriors shot up his battlesuit HQ.
Honestly just all my worst gaming experiences can be summed up by saying "Necrons". The local necron player just loves to bring powerful setups in casual games and it's extremely frustrating. Refusing to play against him just gets me guilt tripped by everyone else at the store even though I've never had an ounce of fun playing against his army. It's not really a fault of his personality or anything, it's just the army forces me to play with units I just don't want to spam on the board.
Plus he lies constantly about how his units aren't that great, yet they never die and most weapons can't hurt the units he brings.
Saturmorn Carvilli wrote: My worst experience is relatively tame compared to most. Our gaming group had one power gamer in it. He was a nice guy outside the game, but he was a constant rules lawyer and habitually stepping over the line with rules shenanigans once the game started. On top of this, he pretty much only played an OP list with just enough variation to keep direct counters from happening. Which no one bother counter lists since the rest of the group didn't go for that kind of thing.
Additionally, after years of playing he hadn't painted a thing. Which helped me to developed my lack of interest in playing opponents with unpainted armies. I am not saying all players with unpainted armies are like that. I am sure most aren't, but my experience has been players that haven't even placed primer (wet season excluded) after a couple months tend to be some of the least fun to play.
It wasn't exactly one game that did this. Although, it did get to the point that I would bring two armies. One to play anyone else and another that would lose quickly to him so I could get on with my day. Again, he wasn't a bad person, which made it difficult to say, "I don't want to play against you" or even bring it up. It was just that once the game started he was very much a WAAC gamer. Which really did not mesh with the rest of group's dynamics.
It got to the point having the having to play him tax to get in a game with the rest of the group was too much for me. So I left the group partly due to that and partly due to I didn't have the free time like I used to.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, I was playing another in the group with what I thought was going to be a relatively weak, fluffy list. However, at every turn, my army was shutting down everything he could do which all my tactics kept working like clockwork. I'll admit I was playing extra hard from the start as I thought I would need to have a good game. After the first turn my opponent had already lost in his mind (and was probably correct in reality).
I could tell he wasn't have any fun. This was tough for me as I was really enjoying my actions working with such precision. However, I couldn't really enjoy it as my opponent was just so deflated. I could tell he felt like anything he did caused him to fall further into my trap to the point of inaction.
So turn two, I went for a risky win condition as I don't think he would have been happy just calling the game there either. I managed to get the right rolls to meet the win conditions save my opponent may have had a unit close enough to contest. We didn't measure as both of us wanted the game to end as quickly as possible at that point.
Of course, next game we played he pretty much tabled me. But that was a lot of fun due to the crazy antics and heroics on both sides of the that game.
There's actually a very similar player at my LGS. Nice enough guy, but once the game starts, he becomes a total WAAC player. I've played him several times, and basically refuse to play him seriously. Biggest thing was once during a tournament (not even a serious one, just a for fun tournament) I reminded him several times about his Feel No Pain rolls. Long story short, he beat me because I forgot I had a Daemon Prince (I landed it on his side of the table behind a tower to get him into range), he didn't remind me, and I lost on objectives. He then said "Well, if it was a friendly game, I would've reminded you, but this is a tournament, so you lose".
Isn't even a hard one to pick.
Playing Warhammer with a casual acquaintence/friend; my daemons vs his space marines. Game is almost done, and my phone starts ringing. It's my mom. Sobbing. She can barely get any words out, except that Trooper, my dog, died. I left everything on the table asked my opponent to pack my stuff and I'd get it some other time. I was 21, and I'd had my dog since I was 8. He wasn't a pet, he was family.
Worst game night ever.
This was over a decade ago now. Still sucks.
I have a few worst experiences that are all about equal. I was present at a tournament that had a table flipped. I was present at a tournament where two guys almost came to blows.
I can relate two others though since I wasn't a part of the games above, just present.
The first was my first ever game of WHFB. 5th edition. My opponent tells me we just want to go over the game and not to use a lot of magic or anything like that. So I bring an undead force without a lot of magic or wizards.
I get there and he and a few other guys are sniggering and laughing. He brought Bretonnia. Loaded to the gills with anti-undead magic items and spells. Weeeeeee. Game took all of two turns.
The other was my last tournament ever. Seventh edition fantasy, I was running chaos warrior infantry heavy army.
My opponent asks me "why are you wasting my time with that lame build, this isn't a campaign or some lame fluff event."
I ended up winning the game. His attitude slid slowly from mocking to infuriated.
In the end he snatched up his models and threw them forcefully in a tupperware container and accused me of cheating since it was impossible that a foot army of chaos warriors could do anything in a tournament and my dice must have been loaded.
(these experiences are why I largely don't play in tournaments and am today very picky about who I play against)
I also had a pretty bad one recently. Long story short, it's my one really good friend who went through all the work to set up an Apoc game, even providing us with pizza and drinks, a new guy who's pretty cool, two veterans at my LGS who I'd come to resent, and a 2nd new guy.
Long story short, we get the game rolling finally, and it's divided into two teams: me and the new guys with our Daemons and SM army (mine has little to no shooting) and the two veterans and my friend with their combined Necrons/Sisters/30k Ad Mech cheese.
They spend most of the game blowing the crap out of us, with our only saving grace being that the cooler new guy brought Magnus and a Titan and was able to return some fire.
Highlights of the game include:
-SM player has lots of bad luck, proceeds to whine and throw dice every time something dies.
-We roll on a random Warp Storm table for the event. It says to randomly choose a Psyker and he has to take a Leadership test or die. We give each Psyker a number and roll, and it lands on a random Sorceror. One of the veterans accuses us of picking someone besides Magnus (it wasn't Magnus when we rolled for it), rolls the test, and it wouldn't have even mattered. He spends rest of the game complaining about it.
- Veterans gloat about killing us, despite the fact that we set the table up long ways, so my army had little to no chance of seeing close combat.
-Veterans gloat about winning, despite the fact that the final score is 11-10, with us losing by a move of about 2".
The worst part is I felt awful for my friend, he spent a ton of time organizing it and setting up a really cool Fall of Cadia theme and these guys basically ruined it.
First, a little background to put it in context. Back in the day, I was a GW Outrider and used to be the head rules judge/event coordinator at the RTT at the Baltimore Games day for several years in a row. So when playing at the US Grand tournaments, I knew most of the judges and they would often come to my table and ask me questions. Sooo... I'm playing a game against a Necron player and have already had the GT judges stop by at least twice with rules questions. So he KNOWS that I know the judges and they respect my opinion on the rules. Something came up and I told him, "No, it doesn't work that way" and he wants to call over a judge. I just shrug and say OK, go for it and start looking up the rule in the rulebook. I just let him pose his question to the judge who looks at me, I hand the judge the rulebook opened to the pertinent page and point at the rule in question. Don't say a word cause I don't want this kid to claim I influenced the decision. Judge just looks at him and tells him I'm right, he's wrong. Rest of the game goes downhill from there. And even before that, I said something to the kid about his white dice with white pips and that I'm having a hard time telling what he rolled... "Yeah, that's why I use them..." 'But that's OK, I destroyed his punk ass.
Then there was the guy that went to the judge's table after I beat him (another US GT) to complain about me using dice with our club logo on it (Chessex). Reason this is bad? He was a member of the club!
Finally, not bad but my most embarrassing moment. The year Dark Eldar came out, I'm sitting in the bar with a couple of friends at the end of the first day (Yes, another GT) and one of them asks if I had gotten to face Dark Eldar yet. I think about it and answer in the negative. My first round opponent a few seats down splutters and reminds me that HE! played Dark Eldar and just because I basically won the game on the first turn (IG and Seize the Initiative against a bunch of Raiders deployed in the open expecting to go first = turkey shoot) does not mean that I hadn't faced them... I bought the next round as an apology.
timetowaste85 wrote: Isn't even a hard one to pick.
Playing Warhammer with a casual acquaintence/friend; my daemons vs his space marines. Game is almost done, and my phone starts ringing. It's my mom. Sobbing. She can barely get any words out, except that Trooper, my dog, died. I left everything on the table asked my opponent to pack my stuff and I'd get it some other time. I was 21, and I'd had my dog since I was 8. He wasn't a pet, he was family.
Worst game night ever.
This was over a decade ago now. Still sucks.
Yeah. I'm okay. Like I said, it was over a decade ago. Pain heals over time, in the same manner as losing any family member.
But that definitely went down as worst game ever. The game itself was perfectly fine up til that point.
Worst 40k game? The time I went up against Iron Warriors with my Emperor's Children. I was on the wrong end of four chemical mortars, and I think I killed about three of the enemy in the whole game. Lesson learned; my opponent and I like different things from a game of 40k.
Worst time? I don't know; pick a Warmachine tournament. Getting wiped out in two turns was the best part, because then I could read my book with a pint for an hour instead.
about a year ago I was playing at my FLGS and came across a player looking for a pickup game. I agreed to play as I was typically there running a league and was all about recruiting new players. I noticed right off the bat that other players avoided this guy like the plague. Once he pulled out his army I knew why.
He played blood angels allied with grey Knights summoning daemons. If that isnt a complete fluff killing game IDK what is. he forgot however that when summoning deamons they are come the apocolypse with his other armies. Once I started calling that out and making him roll his leadership he started complaining that I was "killing the fun of the game" needless to say after 2hrs of whining I had had enough. I finished up the turn and packed up. That was the last time I played him.
I always post this in another thread, but this is probably the worst I've ever had.
Hands down, I've played some rather unsavory guys, but I keep this story around for these threads.
Showed up to play my friend, he canceled, didn't get message til that day, only played for about 3+ months, still new and have 6th edition DA.
Other guy introduces me to TFG, says he's looking for a PUG. Fine, whatever.
TFG sees me set out all my models ahead of time, asks if I have any AA, answer a Quad Gun and Nephilim Jetfighter, TFG then list tailors me (not something I thought people actually did, or to people's faces).
While setting up, TFG brags about having to leave his previous store because he was 'too good' and beat everyone so bad they refused to play him.
TFG then puts out 3 Storm Talons, 2 Storm Ravens, Chapter master with kitted out Sternguard, and 3 Shotgun Scout squads in 3 Land Speeder Storms, all unpainted so he can run different CTs as he pleases.
TFG proceeds to stomp me, whatever, but acts like he won through strategy and skill.
TFG disappears and is never seen until about a year later, 3 weeks ago.
Talk to current friend about TFG, turns out everyone hates him and he's such a douche. Somehow TFG has a wife.....
A year or so ago I went up against Timmy in a 2K game. Me with my Guard, a Thunderer, two Chimera born infantry units and a Macrocannon with two more Infantry units and a CCS and a pair of Stormy units (one 5 man with two volley guns and one 6 man with only one) and an allied unit of 5 Scouts, supported by a 6 man Termy unit with a HF and a chainfist commanded by a Librarian in termy armour.
Timmy (who has whined about tank spam before) rocks up with three Vindicators, 5 level 2 Librarians, a mini smashfether chapter master with a jump pack supported by ten Vanguard, two Predators (one Las, one Dakka), Chronus in a Landraider Terminus Ultra, a 10th Company Task force commanded by Tellion, a Whirlwind and two Rhino mounted Sternguard units.
He got the first turn and planted a ruin infront of my macro cannon bunker with Shifting Worldscape, turned the three Vindicators invisible and things generally went down hill from there. By turn three I had lost my Thunderer, both my Infanry units in the Chimeras and the chimeras, only the Libby remains of the Marines and my Marocannon cannot shoot anything because of the city block that has erupted around it.
I quit turn 4 when all I had left was a single Company Command section within my Macrocannon bunker which was 'OP' because his Chapter Master could not fist it to death. I had killed a couple marines and a single whirlwind .
It later turned out he was over 600 points above the agreed points cost.
My other 40K one is not bad because my opponent cheated, but bad because of the power disparity between us I was facing the Viking Pirate and I got hammered. Hell, by turn two I had lost over 80% of my army and it was just not fun. He is a great guy and a good opponent, but Guard are just too weak.
Infinity;
A few weeks ago I had a 300 point game which saw my Lizard with a HGL die on turn one after failing to beat a 4 on a D20 three times in a row (literally a 1, then a 2 and then a 3), most of my units failing to hit anything on the active OR reactive turn, my sniper being a little bitch and fannied about all game until he was killed by a triple crit. In the end I managed to kill one enemy model. I had lost everything bar my Lieut and my Reverend Healer. The dice ruined that game for me.
Mordhiem;
One game against a minmaxed Forest Goblin list resulted in my Undead being nearly retired.
jreilly89 wrote: I always post this in another thread, but this is probably the worst I've ever had.
Hands down, I've played some rather unsavory guys, but I keep this story around for these threads.
Showed up to play my friend, he canceled, didn't get message til that day, only played for about 3+ months, still new and have 6th edition DA.
Other guy introduces me to TFG, says he's looking for a PUG. Fine, whatever.
TFG sees me set out all my models ahead of time, asks if I have any AA, answer a Quad Gun and Nephilim Jetfighter, TFG then list tailors me (not something I thought people actually did, or to people's faces).
While setting up, TFG brags about having to leave his previous store because he was 'too good' and beat everyone so bad they refused to play him.
TFG then puts out 3 Storm Talons, 2 Storm Ravens, Chapter master with kitted out Sternguard, and 3 Shotgun Scout squads in 3 Land Speeder Storms, all unpainted so he can run different CTs as he pleases.
TFG proceeds to stomp me, whatever, but acts like he won through strategy and skill.
TFG disappears and is never seen until about a year later, 3 weeks ago.
Talk to current friend about TFG, turns out everyone hates him and he's such a douche. Somehow TFG has a wife.....
Eh, I'm sure the wife is just as insufferable as he is. I despise 'everymarines' with a burning passion. Pick a chapter and stick with it and paint your goddam models. And I find these guys to pull BS all the time but still whine about how underpowered they are compared to eldar/tau.
Not that I buy into GW's whole 'forge the narrative' nonsense but I think most people prefer a scenic battle then a bunch of unpainted models and number crunching. And adult men whining, that too.
Heh, reading through these made me wonder. How many of us are on someone else's worst game list... I'm probably on a couple, given that the GT judges used to razz me about making my opponent's cry (it only happened once!).
don_mondo wrote: Heh, reading through these made me wonder. How many of us are on someone else's worst game list... I'm probably on a couple, given that the GT judges used to razz me about making my opponent's cry (it only happened once!).
You ever beat someone with orks? Clearly I'm fudging my dice rolls and lying about rules. Regardless of the fact that 90% of my attacks did nothing, the 1 wound that gets through throws people into temper tantrums.
I went to my FLGS with the intention of playing against a Warcon with ynari. We set up our models, and started playing.
Once my harliequins got into combat and started soulbursting all over the place, he got really salty. Quickly packed up his models at the beginning of turn 4.
What makes it worse is his incessant bragging ('belisarius cawl is a badass and he will destroy your entire army.' ' are you sure your harlies wanna charge my robots? They all have S10 powefists... doesn't look too good for the gay elves')
Terrible opponent. He hasn't even showed up since. Probably his worst game but one of mine too.
don_mondo wrote: Heh, reading through these made me wonder. How many of us are on someone else's worst game list... I'm probably on a couple, given that the GT judges used to razz me about making my opponent's cry (it only happened once!).
You ever beat someone with orks? Clearly I'm fudging my dice rolls and lying about rules. Regardless of the fact that 90% of my attacks did nothing, the 1 wound that gets through throws people into temper tantrums.
Yep, used to have a Speed Freaks army way back in the day. And before anyone asks, at one point or another I have probably played some army from nearly every faction, whether it was my Khorne Berzerkers the first time we had cult lists, or Craftworld Eldar, or Nids, or the original Genestealer Cult, or Dark Eldar, or Necrons, or...And of course marines, several times (Once being an all-Scout list where the only 3+ armor was on the Chaplain/Iron Father leading them). I think the only faction that I never really built an army for is Tau.
don_mondo wrote: Heh, reading through these made me wonder. How many of us are on someone else's worst game list... I'm probably on a couple, given that the GT judges used to razz me about making my opponent's cry (it only happened once!).
There was one game I beat my opponent awfully. My Daemons versus his Necrons. I could not stop rolling 5s and 6s, and he could not roll anything other than 1s and 2s. I felt pretty bad for beating him so handily. Luckily, he's a good friend, so he's had more than his fair share of wins against me
don_mondo wrote: Heh, reading through these made me wonder. How many of us are on someone else's worst game list... I'm probably on a couple, given that the GT judges used to razz me about making my opponent's cry (it only happened once!).
Just ask Timmy - the amount of time all his cheating, 'forgetting' the rules and bringing extra models/units has still resulted in me handing his arse to him is hilarious. Not to mention his rages and tantrums over 'OP' units such as Lemanr Russ tanks (Guard can bring too many), Stormswords (S10 AP1 Ignores Cover is too much) and Macro Cannon Bunkers (He couldnt run head long at it/win a slugging match so it was OP), not to mention his hatred of Xenos Inquisitors and Sisters of Silence....
Yeah, I am his TFG.
It is not playing but was..... The horror the horror
Turn 1 we move turn 2 his wife hits the garage the table leg buckles.
Sooo many models......so much slow motion as you see the leg buckle all the little models screaming as they smash the cement floor. Zacharius has a tilt ever since...... So many crooked banner poles.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: He is aware that of all the dakka a Monolith laughs at, Railguns (now of course Heavy Railguns) really weren't counted amongst them?
Reminds me of a 5th edition game I had where my opponent charged his IG command squad into my carnifex, and get increasingly shirty about how it was such broken bs that he could only wound on 6s, AND his guys didn't get armor saves, AND were insta-killed in return.
don_mondo wrote: Heh, reading through these made me wonder. How many of us are on someone else's worst game list... I'm probably on a couple, given that the GT judges used to razz me about making my opponent's cry (it only happened once!).
A friend of mine (inadvertently) certainly was. So, it's the EoT campaign from 2003 or so and the local GW is having a big mega battle and my friend is using the Ulthwe Strike Force. At some point in the game this over-enthusiastic kid wants to charge into said friend's Seer Council with a CSM Dread. Yes, we all know where this is going (for those unaware, back in the day Witchblades tripled the user's strength vs. vehicles) yet this kid was obviously not experienced enough to know this and my friend was insisting he not charge the unit.
The inevitable happens and the waterworks begin followed by said kid running out of the store and my friend looking at me dumbfounded. I do wonder if this kid ever stayed in the hobby (all of us went off to Uni later that year so never really went back to that store) and this is his own personal story of a TFG.
Playing a game against a friend of a friend way back when.
I had a mixed bag of eldar, the harlequins box with a handful of guardians, a couple of gun emplacements and a dreadnought. Probably won't stand up to much but should be fun enough.
I set up, then he sets up; genestealers. So many genestealers, begged borrowed and stolen from every person he knew who had Spacehulk.
His first turn, he charges. 12" of angry stealer movement. Cue huge argument about charging rules. He maintains he does have something to charge; my eldar, and that failing to make his charge doesn't count because stealers are immune to psychology.
I call foul, so he hands off the rulebook to his mate who, giggling, confirms the rules are as my opponent says. I ask to check (seeing as we only had one rule book between us) and get told no, don't be such a poor sport.
The inevitable happens and with their magical 12" standard move the genestealer horde arrives with little to no shooting to thin them out and wipes out everything in no time.
Left a bitter taste, not because I was beaten (I'm terrible at wargames and get beaten almost every time. I play for a laugh, not because I aim to win) but because it was just such cheesy cheating crud.
I've had some games I've just plain lost, due to bad choices or bad rolling, but my players are all good guys. I've experienced nothing THAT bad, thus far.
I suppose my worst was playing one of them for the first time. I outmaneuvered him and defeated his force in detail, and he got salty about it. Afterwards, we talked for a bit, discussed the game, and I explained what I did, what he did, and where and how he handed me opportunities to exploit.
We did this after every game, and now he's a much better player - not just tactically, but he handles losing a lot better as well.
I've had some games I've just plain lost, due to bad choices or bad rolling, but my players are all good guys. I've experienced nothing THAT bad, thus far.
I suppose my worst was playing one of them for the first time. I outmaneuvered him and defeated his force in detail, and he got salty about it. Afterwards, we talked for a bit, discussed the game, and I explained what I did, what he did, and where and how he handed me opportunities to exploit.
We did this after every game, and now he's a much better player - not just tactically, but he handles losing a lot better as well.
Yea when you don't have a good teacher I find its very easy to get frustrated playing tabletop games. My friend (chaos) fought me once (space wolves) and my lascannon razorback exploded his land raider turn 1 (2 sixes in a row) with abaddon and terminators inside of it. I had to talk him down from leaving for the next 20 minutes. I had to tell him that while we both agree that vehicle rules suck massive -expletives- right now, you should position your land raider behind units or at least behind cover. Or have multiple threats that make targeting one not a big deal. Plus, lucky dice rolls are no fault of either player, and you should just learn to play what the dice gods throw at you. Playing out a game where your unit has to footslog helps your tactical thinking immensely.
I find playing a weak army like orks helps, because bad things happen so often and I'm used to it that its very very enjoyable when good dice rolls occur and I kill things.
8th Ed Warhammer. My Ogres (I think this was just before our hardback landed? I'm not 100%, but I don't recall having anything but Ogres and Ironguts on the field?) against a self-proclaimed 'top tier optimised' Vampire Counts army. With the usual tricks.
In short? I flattened him. He wasn't used to big blocks of Ogres sticking the boot in, and when a unit of 18 Ironguts all get to attack (I buffed them. I buffed them good), there's really not much left of most enemy units.
His deathstar? Buttered up the board in double quick time, Banner of Drakenhoff or no (hurrah for cheap Banners that grant the unit Flaming Attacks).
Now, being an experienced tournament attendee, did he take his defeat like a champ, acknowledging that just maybe, the new Edition had some new tricks and challenges for him to master?
Nope.
Instead, he and his little Droogs decided player skill had nothing to do with it - instead, I'd merely 'diced him'. Which is downright rude.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Now, being an experienced tournament attendee, did he take his defeat like a champ, acknowledging that just maybe, the new Edition had some new tricks and challenges for him to master?
Nope.
Instead, he and his little Droogs decided player skill had nothing to do with it - instead, I'd merely 'diced him'. Which is downright rude.
And this is why I like playing at my FLGS - Everyone knows each other and thus knows that we aren't screwing with each other or simply relying on the favour of the Dice Gods to win. From all the horror stories I've heard on threads like this as well as from mates, I'm glad I don't play tournaments haha
Clearly you should have goaded him further, and told him that next time you're looking for a challenge, you'll attempt to wrangle his mum in the sheets.
Much better to let him see me dismantle other opponents in the same way.
Hell, I laughed like a drain when a unit of frenzied, witch brewed Witch Elves with Mind Razor on them acted like a lawnmower going through my Ironguts. It's a game! Enjoy it!
A few years back my FLGS that was still over an hour away had a 40k tournament they sponsored at a local game convention .
The store was known for giving great prizes and goes a long way to financially support the local scene for any games they carry.
To start the Tournament Organizer and a number of players was part of a local game club that helps support the store and they all
wore matching personalized gaming club shirts to prove this fact.
The day started with eighteen players, The TO announced the missions; all with obscure house rules and they did not have
standard units causing us a number of us to need to change lists to match the now required units. This is the age of the internet, no mention
of this on the convention web site and all registrations had our email address.. but no prior mention.
First round my travel buddy and I was forced to play each other, remind you we had to register; so if two people lists the
same small town over an hour away, most likely they have played each other before.
There was clearly a few newbie players attending but most had nice painted armies with two copies of their list etc..ready to give tournaments a try.
Each of them were placed with a "club" members and each game the newbie player was utterly destroyed.
Then they had a member show up late, right before the second round making the player count to be odd; so a my buddy and I was stuck in bye the next rounds..
In second round I got placed with "club" member.. Mind you I am not a hardcore player but I know what I am doing on the board most of the time.
Problem was club member showed up with a single copy list on note book paper and chicken scratch writing, he used all primed black miniatures with "proxies"
Did I mention that he had no Space Wolf codex, yet was still spouting off rules.. he would look up weapon strengths, etc in the closest marine players book.
I feel all was allowed because the TO was wearing the same club shirt as the offender. Their defense was they don't want to alienate "newer" players..
So the new player had time and money to get custom club shirt but not enough to get his army codex??
During the game, I could tell he knew what he was doing.. but still did blatant cheating like not assigning units to drop pods (shell game) until after rolling what he needed
and the drop pods were allowed to land on top of ruined buildings. It was allowed because I didn't Identify what type of terrain the building was before the game..
He won the game because I gave up trying to argue with the guy "he knew the rules" and "that's how we play it" with the TO backing him
and complaining that I was bothering him so much.
Rated the guy as a "1" on the score card because I felt dirty after the game.. but it doesn't end there...
When the prized were handed out.. All went to the "club" members.. No real surprises there..First place was TFG guy that had the crap list and primed black army guy.
One player I knew from the shop; he always played very well and even placed a few times at Adepticon. Beautifully painted army; had top scores
and won every game there, but yet didn't place. . When questioned.. the TO said he miss read his card and offered to talk to the store owner about an alternate prize..
He declined the offer, that was the last game he played there before moving off from the area.
So at the end of the day; I had traveled over an hour to play one game with a guy that I had played a number of times and traveled there with.
then played a player that was clearly TFG.. and the third round was a bye turn..
We complained to the store owner and nothing was really done.. Sad truth is the owner is very good guy and just wants to support games with prizes.
That is a razors edge when dealing with something like this.. Clearly the "club" supports the store.. but when prizes are there, they become really greedy.
But after repeated debacles like this; many people I knew stopped attending any tournaments ran by the members of the "club". Most of us have now moved
off from the area.. but after seeing the store's Facebook pictures, I am sure its still the same group making sure the prizes go to them no matter what the cost.
It's just a good example to show how your local scene can become toxic and really stagnate the growth of the gaming community.
My worst experiences all stem from a few particular players in my local area that are WAAC in the extreme. They fancy themselves to be really good 40K players and keep trying to place at the national tournaments, even going so far as to get matching t-shirts and starting their own 40K club. In these games against these players, I am thoroughly trounced and beaten, but that's not the problem. Oh no, the being tabled doesn't bother me, nor the extreme disparity in victory and mission points at the end of the games. But their ATTITUDE and how they treat me and other non-WAAC players during and after the games.
I am constantly questioned about my units.
They bring super cheesy lists.
Their constant watching (or perhaps leering) of other player's moves.
I could also swear that a couple of them fudge their movements a bit to get that much close for range and charging.
After the game, they will criticize my list and tell me what I did wrong and what I should have done instead (especially with my choice of Chapter Tactics! I don't want to play White Scars, dagnabbit!).
At the last tournament I played (not just previous, but the FINAL one against these guys), I took what I considered to be my strongest army. Space Marine bike army with the beefed up Chapter Master, Iron Hands Chapter tactics, some Grav guns, and a Knight Crusader (with Land Speeders and a Vindicator, cause I don't like being cheesy). I ended 1-2 for the day, but getting 3rd place overall, and I didn't like it!
- First round I had a solid game against a Skyhammer Annihilation Force Ultramarines army, which was a good game (lost by a close margin on objectives). Good game, good loss. - Second round, I tabled a guy who brought in a beautiful, completely custom converted Tau "Auxillary" army (all the infantry was conversions of Humans, Skaven, Lizardmen, and other races!) that was mostly Hammerheads, Breacher Squads, and some Crisis Suits. I felt BAD having beaten him so well, and I regretted playing such a list. I had never tabled another player before, and I really didn't like the feeling it gave me. Bad game, bad victory. - Third round, since I had won so hard in the second round, I was paired against one of those WAACTFGs, fielding a ridiculous super-friends list (before the FAQ killed the Chapter Tactics bonuses from stacking together) consisting a White Scars Librarius Conclave on Bikes, a small Blood Angels CAD with Sanguinary Priest on Bike and some Scouts and Servitors to hold objectives, and a huge blob of Thunderwolf characters and Fenrisian Wolves. I whittled them down in the end, but barely. I had my Knight Crusader left, and it was tied up in combat against the remnants of of the Wolf Star blob. I lost that game hard. A chore of a game to play, and not fun for me. - Overall, I placed in 3rd because I had won that second game so hard, and I regretted it. I brought my best, and tabled a guy who didn't deserve it, and got thrashed against the WAAC player. My "best list" is overpowered for casual players, and unable to do anything against cheesy TFGs.
My worst gaming experiences are not actual experiences, it is PLAYERS, and certain, particular ones at that.
I know not everyone likes to play for narrative scenarios, and that bringing cheese is fun for other players. That's fine, great even. I just wish that I had figured that out about 3 or 4 years ago. (In case you are worried about the player I tabled, he feels no bad blood about it. He also no longer plays in the local tournaments anymore to my knowledge, and we participated together in several narrative and Kill Team events since then. )
TLDR; I don't like tournaments, and that's okay. Others players do, and that's okay.
Fairly straightforward affar, buy in, 1,000 pts. in 40K. So right off the bat I'm "randomly" matched up against my little brother. I win, and he's sour as it's a single elimination tourney. Next, I find out that there was an odd number of players, and I get to play a 2nd round 1 elimination game. Which happens to be my good friend that rode up there with me and my brother. After that, I stop an Eldar player and make it to the Semifinals against a guy who is using the store manager's personal army. I pop a Chaplain on bike with a multimelta and he fails his Rosarius save. The player disputes this as Instant Death and the manager "surprisingly" rules it as NOT causing Instant Death as the Chappie is on a bike. Meanwhile my brother, friend and a random guy at the tourney pull out the WD issue where they specifically address it. No dice, his tourney. So the Chaplain manages to stroll up and dust off my Scouts who were holding the objective. It wasn't even a roll that cost me the tourney, it was nepotism. Add insult to injury the OTHER finalist was a friend of both the manager AND the guy running the manager's army. They agreed to a no battle draw and split the prize credit at the store.
cuda1179 wrote: What edition of the game was this? That might be legit.
Instant death has only been around since 3rd ed. and has been the same in all subsequent editions regarding bikes.
Doesn't surprise me. I've been called several insulting things over the years by GW staff for attempting to play by the rules...
Hmmmm, memory could be playing tricks on me but I think that GW has actually gone back and forth on whether or not the +1T from the bike affected Instant Death. Lost all my old FAQ files due to a computer meltdown so can't be sure.
But yeah, in the past I've had issues with GW staff regarding their lack of rules knowledge... Heh, one got pissed at me about it and tried to tell me that the District Manager had banned me from the store, so I pulled out my phone and called the DM (whose number I just happened to have stored in my phone...) and asked him. Then handed the phone to the employee so the DM could speak to him...
cuda1179 wrote: What edition of the game was this? That might be legit.
Instant death has only been around since 3rd ed. and has been the same in all subsequent editions regarding bikes.
Doesn't surprise me. I've been called several insulting things over the years by GW staff for attempting to play by the rules...
I distinctly recall that in 5th, bikes didn't affect ID. So, in 5th, a chaplain on a bike could be instantly killed by a str 8 weapon. I don't know about 3rd, but I definitely remember 6th changing that, and for the better.
Yeah, 5th definitely allowed a melta to ID a chappy on a bike. That was where I played 99% of my games, and that's one rule I don't have blurring from other editions.
cuda1179 wrote: What edition of the game was this? That might be legit.
Instant death has only been around since 3rd ed. and has been the same in all subsequent editions regarding bikes.
Doesn't surprise me. I've been called several insulting things over the years by GW staff for attempting to play by the rules...
I distinctly recall that in 5th, bikes didn't affect ID. So, in 5th, a chaplain on a bike could be instantly killed by a str 8 weapon. I don't know about 3rd, but I definitely remember 6th changing that, and for the better.
Just Tony wrote: 3rd Ed. And this was a FLGS, not a GW. Well, I guess I should say LGS.
You and I remember 3rd very differently.
How so? I still play it, just had a game Saturday before last.
Ah, my mistake. Just read back and saw you were replying to "what edition was this?", thought you were simply saying your worst gaming experience was 3rd ed.
Oh, sweet Asuryan no! I mod over at classichammer.com and have qute a few posts including battle reports from 3rd over there. In my mind, that'd be the fastest way to "fix" current 40K. Edit the codices from 3rd and rerelease that edition with all the errata put in.
Worst player ever was my so called best friend who ruined Necromunda on purpose laughing at me as he did so. knowing im mentally ill and it would make me worse, dropped out of that much loved game. Wanted to go into 40k but did not do anything for 4 years, got me to paint his SM army for nothing and did not say thank you. Came round to collect it 3 years later and it went missing. The SM army I had I said was off Ebay/LFGS which was true...what happened to his lovingly painted army no one knows
Mine was in WHFB 7th ed. I think it was my last ever game of Fantasy.
I was in Portsmouth for a course or something and I took my dwarves into the GW there and the only option for a game was a mostly proxied VC army. Usually I dont mind proxies, in this case however....
it turned out to be a couple of token ghouls units and a huge Bloodknight Death star, laden with cheese, made out of random wolf models.
I ended up killing nearly all of it but of course I still lost, even some desperate rules lawyering on my part didn't help. It was by far my worst wargaming experience.
licclerich wrote: Worst player ever was my so called best friend who ruined Necromunda on purpose laughing at me as he did so. knowing im mentally ill and it would make me worse, dropped out of that much loved game. Wanted to go into 40k but did not do anything for 4 years, got me to paint his SM army for nothing and did not say thank you. Came round to collect it 3 years later and it went missing. The SM army I had I said was off Ebay/LFGS which was true...what happened to his lovingly painted army no one knows
My buddies and I had made a bet that I couldn't win with what was(At the time) considered the worst model in the game - Swooping Hawks.
I took a few Rangers for troops(Upgraded, of course, to get a 2+ cover save), but for the most part I had nothing but Swooping Hawks and, of course, Baharroth as my HQ.
This guy had been playing an Imperial Guard leafblower list - People who have been playing for a while know what this meant - Minimal Troops hiding behind an Aegis Defence line guarding tanks with giant templates that also are hiding behind said defence line. Basically, he was just rolling dice and removing units all Campaign weekend. He had tabled a buddy of mine on turn 2.
So I set up my Rangers - One to a level(Templates only hit people on the same level it was fired at), kept my Swooping Hawks in reserve and then every turn would drop down a giant pie-plate, S 4, AP 4 template and then swooped back up before he could fire back(You fired at the end of the movement phase with interceptor weapons).
This guy was getting madder and madder and madder. I killed his HQ, got first blood and his giant pie-plate templates were hitting one ranger(Maybe) when they fired.
He declared that Swooping Hawks were broken and cheesy and stormed out. It wasn't the worst because he or I were cheating - It was the worst because he was a win-at-all costs player who hated having the same thing done to him that he had done to numerous other players that weekend.
Ghorros wrote: It was the worst because he was a win-at-all costs player who hated having the same thing done to him that he had done to numerous other players that weekend.
Are you sure that's a "worst" experience and not a "best"?
Ghorros wrote: It was the worst because he was a win-at-all costs player who hated having the same thing done to him that he had done to numerous other players that weekend.
Are you sure that's a "worst" experience and not a "best"?
Agreed! That sounds awesome, and well done trolling a player like that!!
My opponent trying to balance one of the old large, metal dreadnoughts precariously on the top of a piece of terrain. The dreadnought is unpainted and held together by blu-tac.
Underneath the shadow of the terrain, my infantry (who have at least a couple of hours conversion work on them each) look up at the tottering dreadnought fearfully.
Me: "Are you sure about that? Perfectly happy for you to put at the bottom, we both know where it's meant to be".
Him: "No its fine, need it for LoS."
It stays put for a moment. There is a moment where I hold my breath. But then in an agonising slow motion the dreadnought falls; it bounces a couple of times on the way down, shedding arms as it does, but the remaining mass bowling into the infantry at the bottom would make a mockery of even the thickest varnish. Old metal squats in exo-armour might have stood a chance, but resin and plastic with green-stuff gets smashed to pieces. A guy on the table next to me has a sharp intake of breath.
"Whoops!" He picks up the Dreadnought torso and places it back on the top of the terrain. "Those alright?" Even though he can see they are quite obviously smashed to bits.
"Right, on to the next unit then!" and continues his movement phase..
Pacific wrote: My opponent trying to balance one of the old large, metal dreadnoughts precariously on the top of a piece of terrain. The dreadnought is unpainted and held together by blu-tac.
Underneath the shadow of the terrain, my infantry (who have at least a couple of hours conversion work on them each) look up at the tottering dreadnought fearfully.
Me: "Are you sure about that? Perfectly happy for you to put at the bottom, we both know where it's meant to be".
Him: "No its fine, need it for LoS."
It stays put for a moment. There is a moment where I hold my breath. But then in an agonising slow motion the dreadnought falls; it bounces a couple of times on the way down, shedding arms as it does, but the remaining mass bowling into the infantry at the bottom would make a mockery of even the thickest varnish. Old metal squats in exo-armour might have stood a chance, but resin and plastic with green-stuff gets smashed to pieces. A guy on the table next to me has a sharp intake of breath.
"Whoops!" He picks up the Dreadnought torso and places it back on the top of the terrain. "Those alright?" Even though he can see they are quite obviously smashed to bits.
"Right, on to the next unit then!" and continues his movement phase..
Pacific wrote: My opponent trying to balance one of the old large, metal dreadnoughts precariously on the top of a piece of terrain. The dreadnought is unpainted and held together by blu-tac.
Underneath the shadow of the terrain, my infantry (who have at least a couple of hours conversion work on them each) look up at the tottering dreadnought fearfully.
Me: "Are you sure about that? Perfectly happy for you to put at the bottom, we both know where it's meant to be".
Him: "No its fine, need it for LoS."
It stays put for a moment. There is a moment where I hold my breath. But then in an agonising slow motion the dreadnought falls; it bounces a couple of times on the way down, shedding arms as it does, but the remaining mass bowling into the infantry at the bottom would make a mockery of even the thickest varnish. Old metal squats in exo-armour might have stood a chance, but resin and plastic with green-stuff gets smashed to pieces. A guy on the table next to me has a sharp intake of breath.
"Whoops!" He picks up the Dreadnought torso and places it back on the top of the terrain. "Those alright?" Even though he can see they are quite obviously smashed to bits.
"Right, on to the next unit then!" and continues his movement phase..
Did your opponant at least offer you some blue tac to put your models back together with?
Slowly getting back into the hobby (playing) but I've been hording/painting steady for like 20 years. Anyway, went to a FLGS and met a few chaps - mostly cool guys. One was much younger than everyone else - early 20's maybe? Young (ffs...now I feel old) - in comparison to us 30somethings with kids. Anyway... I brought a ton of stuff to play with. I asked "You want to shoot at a titan?" and we're all like "feth yeah! bring it out". So I did -- my (semi painted) Warhound was pulled from it's case and away we went.
I set it up, along with probably 10 pounds worth of metal Sisters of Battle (10 immolators, 3 exorcists...like 120 troops. Crazy), on a huge table. We're just going to dick around, pew pew, and otherwise chill. Younger dude decides he's going to pull out his army -- but stops.
"I need to see your papers"
I thought it was some inside "papers please" joke, but no...this kid wanted to see the cert that FW sends you. A cert sitting somewhere in a box from when I bought this fracking thing 10 years ago. I said "uhh... dude....sorry, I don't have it". It's not something I just carry around (and until that point, I didn't even think people gave a gak about. Along the same lines of decals)
He then accuses me of using recasts. Says he won't play against cheaters (with his basically strait out of the starter box sets of DA.
So yeah he...
Accuses me of using recasts...at a FLGS.
Accuses me of using recasts...with probably a grand worth of metal sisters on the table. (and I didn't even bring my forgeworld fliers...feth me that would have blown his mind. I'd be some sort of recasting king pin)
Accuses me of using a recast, when I drove to the shop in a fething Dodge Viper (99 GTS, if anyone cares ).
I thought he was having a laugh -- but nope... dead serious. He tried to appeal to the others, but they all kind of looked at him like a turd in the punch bowl. I wasn't mad, just taken aback by the stones of the lad. He really didn't have a grasp on how much some of that stuff costs - but I do (in a weird way) admire his attempt to thwart piracy. We all know, the secret to wealth management is to buy russian/chnnese fake army men so you can afford the sports cars. Or maybe my car was fake too
Annnyyway - Everyone else thought my titan was pretty slick, I had just finished the plasma gun and magnetized the arms/torso (20x3mm magnets - works awesome). Kiddo packed up his stuff in protest and slowly wandered off as another dude volunteered to get in on the pew pew. He left shortly after, I haven't seen him post on the local FB group either.
Fun game, titan got wrecked eventually and I decided to start a Deldar army later that night.
My story isn't as cool as others here, but it definitely was a memorable evening.
Pacific wrote: "Whoops!" He picks up the Dreadnought torso and places it back on the top of the terrain. "Those alright?" Even though he can see they are quite obviously smashed to bits.
"Right, on to the next unit then!" and continues his movement phase..
One time I played against a Tau army in a fun 'tournament" at the local GW. I say "tournament" because it was more a series of games organised throughout the day, the only prize for winning the most games was bragging rights, because it's a GW they only give free prizes on the store birthday. So turn 2 I use the warlord IG shenanigans to outflank a unit of vets with three flamers in a chimera with 2 heavy flamers right behind his ethereal (who he said very clearly at the start was the warlord) and proceed to murder the ethereal and most of the fire warrior squad he was attached to. I say "Hey, that's a nice 3 points right there." He says, "No it isn't." Something also worth mentioning is that he was maybe mid-20s and I was 14. I then explain that it's 1 for the unit (as in the HQ slot an ethereal takes up), one for warlord, on for the extra VP that ethereals give when they die. He denies that etherials are worth a VP for killing regardless of kill points or objectives. I don't have my tau codex to hand because I only brought my guard, so after maybe 5 or 10 minutes he relents and lets me leaf through his codex. What do you know, I was right, and I should have hoped so, because it's the man reason I've never bought an ethereal (Cadre fireblade is the best cheap HQ). So I say, "Ok, 3VPs it is." He then denies that the ethereal is the warlord, he had another HQ unit, I don't remember which, maybe a fireblade. He conveniently doesn't have his list written down, so after 5 minutes of arguing he says to me that he's running the same list as he did a few days ago he shouts out to the store manager, "Hey, Rich, didn't I run my fireblade (or crisis commander etc,etc) as my warlord a few days ago?" The store manager replies that he thinks so but doesn't remember. This 20 something looks at little young 14 year old me all smug, and I end up biting the bullet and decide it's been too long and I just say, "Sure, 2 Vps." I won that game anyway, and half his army was grey, sooo... All's well that ends well.
Another game at the time felt worse but was more my fault. There were maybe 5 kids (12-15) including me. We decide to do a 2v3, 3000 points on a 4x4' board in 2 hours. Looking back it was incredibly stupid, we shouldn't have done it. So me and my teammate have 1500 points each, there's this one kid with orks, a stompa and 1500 points total (and may have been autistic, I'm not sure), and his two friends, who I tell, explicitly, "To even out the points, both of you make 1500 points between yourselves to match your teammate's and each of ours." They each bring 1500 instead of 750. So we have a total of 5 players (all full of early teenage angst and hormonal imbalance) playing 7500 points total, all crowded around a 4x4' board. Even though we have 1500 points less and 2 minds to their 3, we start wrecking face. Cue the possibly autistic kid getting really angry about a whole host of things, and as I try and explain things, like why my fancy FW riptide (it was my first time ever using it, it had arrived from Den of Imagination two days before, and I didn't care that my army was already better than his, riptide or no) was killing huge swathes of models, I start getting angry. There's also the store manager and a bunch of older people in the room as well who eventually step in and tell us all it's time to pack up.
There are three that spring to mind. My first game in a new country and at the local independent game store, Saturday or Sunday morning gaming session and it was an all against all with about half a dozen players per side. One staffer began looking through my miniatures and picking out conversations and old models as being unacceptable citing an apparent Games Workshop rule that OOP miniatures weren't allowed, even though in a couple of instances I was able to pull the same miniatures off their shelves that were apparently banned. The full-timer/owner upheld the ruling though (basically by shrugging indifferently and so apparently giving tacit approval in spite of physical evidence to the contrary in some cases, the GW "No OOP" rule was also flatly refuted by GW staff a friend queried it with at the same time) and I played through the game although my heart really wasn't in it and funnily enough never went back.
The last night before moving to a different country 700 miles away. One of my mates offered to buy a few of my figures he really wanted, but I declined as I wanted to keep them. Whilst I was out of the club briefly saying goodbye to some other friends my miniatures somehow found their way from my case into his. As I'd spotted them in there, I naturally took them back along with an equal number of his as compensation telling him that if he didn't like it he could tell his parents and I'd let them know why (he was a year or two younger than me and we were both in secondary school or sixth form, I returned them before I left as I never really intended to take them).
On a completely different note, there was very briefly a bit of a thing at one stage in the early-mid 1990s for experimenting with hybrid computer/table-top games in some quarters. Laptops were just becoming a practical option and the idea of using a computer to handle the dice rolling and record keeping obviously appealed to some. Unfortunately in the case if the game concerned (it was a Napoleonic campaign iirc), it was painfully slow with literally hours between turns, I can recall noting that it took 6 real hours to play 4 hours of game time, which only equated to one or two turns. It was a good social experience for younger me, but the gaming side of it was essentially non-existant. With a better rules system we could have genuinely made the actual marches ourselves and still had time to play out the outcomes! It was an interesting experiment. Not one that was repeated in our club though. (I can also remember the guy running it commenting "War is 10% action, 90% waiting around", the obnoxious teenage me replied "But the bit we're doing is supposed to be the 10%, isn't it?")
Edit: I probably should clarify that the vast majority of that time was spent waiting for our turn(s) to happen, if we spent that time actually doing something it wouldn't have seemed so bad, but we literally did nothing whilst waiting for our turn to come up, apart from wait for the few minutes our turn took to decide upon, but then we are talking about the days of 286 laptops...
Playing WFRP and 40k in school back in the day. I always had lucky dice in WFRP, and other RPG's. Sadly, the GM didn't like me so even when I won, was the only PC left, I would get killed at the end of the game. This happened again, and again, and again...
And then playing 40k against racist people. Not fun,ended up in a fight that I won and then got suspended from school for...
Moral: find people you get on with to play against!
The one I feel rather dirty about was a wee one-day Necromunda "tournament" in GW Glasgow. Using the Underhive edition, so early 2000s, I think.
The victory condition was whoever's gang rating had increased the most won. All territories and the like were rolled on the day., I honestly, under the scrutiny of the staff, rolled two Archeotech Hoards and a "player chooses". So I took a third.
In the post-game sequence of the penultimate game, I rolled 6D6 for the income from all three of those Hoards, and spent the huge income on power weapons, plasma guns, more gangers, etc, and beat everyone else's total gang rating increase by a huge margin.
Three games
A 6e game where a player wouldn't quit whining about wanting to play a certain scenario with nightfighting and his prebuilt list, went all WAAC, and threw a fit when I accidentally rolled too few dice, started yelling in my face and set off a panic attack.
Dude still tries to get me back into playing with him and it was the coffin nail for me playing 40k. There were other factors leading me there, but that was a no-going-back situation.
A frostgrave game at my house, friend keeps saying he wants to play. We set up terrain, dude got drunk and we never made it past wizard phase on turn one.
Last story is long winded.
Ran an RPG campaign, one dude is changing jobs, can't play. We give him a happy sendoff. Two weeks later, dude is wanting the rest of the group to change to his dates. We try and he then cancels last minute. This deal goes on one more time and we just move onto our normal day.
Dude throws a giant fit saying we abandoned him. He wanted in games without telling us a day. It came across like he wanted the group to hold off all games until he was free to play.
Campaign I wrote a book for was canned because of fething drama.
First (and last) game of Warmachine, way back in 2003/2004.
I was a total NooB with some Khador. Went to a Black Lion Games in Edinburgh to find a game.
Got involved in a three player battle. Sadly, my opponents saw it not as a chance to show a newcomer the ropes and deliver some coaching, but an excuse to beat the snot of a NooB.
Left such a bad taste in my mouth I never played again, and wound up flogging my stuff on eBay.
Seriously. What sort of knobber enjoys wailing on NooBs like that?
It wasn't super bad, but it was the worst for me so far.
It was at a small (I say small, but there were 20 something people) tournament my lgs held, it was their first ever in fact. I had a reputation for trying to play Mono-Daemons, but the list I had built for the tourney didn't run well in a practice game, so I threw together a random force of World Eaters CSM. One of my friends at the lgs also went to a 2nd store to play rather often, and he mentioned me there once or twice, nothing bad but like asking for advice to help me since I'm new. One of those guys happened to play Grey Knights, and got super excited that he was gonna be able destroy me at this tournament. Well tourney day arrives, I end up playing against said person round 2, with the random CSM list, not Daemons like he thought I was playing. There wasn't a single incident that made it bad, but the whole time he was bragging super hard and was assuming all my units were Daemons (even my Cultists), and was just super assumptive that he would absolutely destroy everything I had (which he was right, but cause I didn't have a good list, not cause Daemons). There was one thing which kinda ticks me off now that I know about it, but he ran Draigo, who I assumed was just a good HQ choice like Kharn for me, who I had. So not knowing anything about him, I just threw my Kharn at him, to which Kharn got eaten. If I'd known about Draigo before then, I probably would not have thrown Kharn at him.
And this guy's attitude tilted me when I went into game 3. I was against a BA player, so I though "Oh this should be a good game, it's another melee army, it should be pretty fun," till I get drop-pod spammed and my whole army dies to flamers -a Daemon Prince and a couple of Helbrutes. I ended up just conceding and going home cause the one guy's attitude coupled with getting pretty much instantly tabled felt really bad. Turns out I won the raffle for some pretty cool dice though, the store owner messaged me and told me after I'd already left.
For the life of me, I can't figure out what the fun is in "noobstomping". I'd rather coach someone to be a formidable opponent, THEN earn a victory. Not only that, but it strikes me that if you are used to easy wins vs. novices, the first competent player you come up against will reduce you to tears. I guess I just don't understand that logic. From what I understand, the same guy who fethed me over at that tourney was showing new players 40k in 5th Ed and ran 1K Sons rhino rush rapid fire spam. Class act.
I think this game was at least a contender for worst experience. I was planning on playing a game with a friend, but do to lack of tables and someone else also wanting to play we said sure, lets do a 2vs2. Sadly one of the worst people in the store joined in (this was official GW). We just went ok, as refusing this person basically guaranteed not being able to play for the rest of the day with how the GW was arranged and opening hours.
To set the scene, we had four armies. I played CSM, my friend SM, the other person GK and the last person to join Daemons. Now we already knew there were going to be CSM, SM and GK as I was supposed to just put up more Chaos Marines in a 2v1, so paring GK and SM seemed natural. This was fifth edition GK as well, nice and strong against a somewhat weaker Daemon dex at the time. But Daemon player which was also a bit TFG insisted that with some WD changes his Daemon list was actually very good (the WD changes were decent but he just was an awful tactician). So against me objecting (he had other armies) he wilfully played Daemons against Grey Knights. I thought fine, but just let me deploy opposite to the Grey Knights.
Deployment went like a dream, we rolled second on initiative. Letting me easily deploy across from the Grey Knights to protect the Daemons. Then to top it all off we seized the initiative! I thought cool, a nice hard strike to take the edges of the opponent. I have never been so wrong. Daemon guy had deployed close to me and I didn't think any of it during the time, cover favoured deployment like this if we went second. Now this guy immediately moves all his Daemons diagonally across the board in his movement completely blocking my line of fire, and worst of all heading straight for the GK army. I was going like WTF are you doing man and (important to note: he had not stopped bragging about his list the whole time) he said he was going to show those GK who was boss. Well we all saw what was coming and this wasn't some dumb kid, we were all 17-18 year old and familiar enough that even Daemon guy should have seen the stupidity.
What followed was both the shortest and most agonizing game I have ever played. He locked me into the corner with his moving, refusing to move an inch aside, not even allowing me to shoot for the most part as I could't re-position or without giving cover saves on things like plasma shots. Of course he never made it across against all the specialized anti-Daemon fire from the GK and the shooting of a whole other additional army. What follows can only be described as some sort of hissy fit. It was over in less than 10 minutes. All the bragging and douchery about how awesome he was just ended in screaming about OPGK. He was in a state between rage and crying, or angry crying. Everybody looked over and the three of us just looked at each other awkwardly and silently (we knew he was going to lose). Then, the familiar story we all have heard about someone anger throwing/breaking their models back into their case happened. In 10 minutes I lost like two guys and he had been wiped due to his awesome tactics. The three of us ended the game there while the other guy left. I didn't feel bad for losing as it wasn't really my game to lose, but the GK player felt really awkward due to what was directed at him. We laughed about it later and never saw the Daemon guy again (the GW closed down not too long afterwards due to budget cuts). Thus it will remain my worst game but also that event that we all remember as the GK player making a Daemon player cry and quit the hobby, which sounds hilariously bad with all the GK deployment cheese you heard about in those days if you don't know this story.
The worst gaming 'experience' wasn't a game related one, it was just the owner of a pretty cheesy Tau-list that made me actually go Berserk in a GW-Store.
Now, i only play for a couple of Years now - maybe 2-3 years. So i consider myself still a noob or at least a pretty unexperienced player. Since the release of traitor legions and the 'finishing' of my World Eaters army, i wanted to take my army on the big stage - i.e. away from my FLGS to a GW-Store in the nearby major City. I called in and asked if they could find a nice, friendly player to play against my lore friendly & thematicly sound World Eaters CSM army. On the weekend the next week i arrived at the GW store to see an army - Tau - with 4 Riptides and a Stormsurge. Everything but a pleasant surprise.
I expected a "hammering" on my end, maybe to survive 2-3 turns before my inevitable end. But my World Eaters got first Turn; a real good chance to get off a couple of turn 1 charges and Threaten his battleplan to "shoot me into oblivion". So, my Chaos warband including 3x3 bikers, Autocannon havocs, a termicide unit & a juggerlord with Claw & Burning Brand of Skalathrax & my Auxiliary of 3 Maulerfiends & 3x3 Spawn and, last but not least, a second juggerlord with the Berserker's Glaive not only had turn 1 but also could move before the game - 2d6 inches can be a lot. And, for some reason this dude didn't knew that. So, he didn't deploy completely on his table edge.
My first turn, all my units had moved up at least 7 inches, my bikes and both of my juggerlords moved up 10 & 11 inches. "Bingo" i thought to myself. He wasn't able to cease so i had a good shot at charging a couple of units - overall, i had 2 units of spawn, all 3 bikes squads & my solo juggerlord with the Glaive in Close combat in this turn - 6 turn 1 charges messed with his plan. And, he showed his emotions quite clearly. He raged & threw dice around. "What a lovely chap" i thought to myself. After having some lucky rolls & and 1 awesome shooting phase with my Burning Brand Juggerlord that killed an entire squad of marker drones, a really angry red Glaive-Lord-dude that chew threw his Stormsurge like a hot, blood-encrusted knife threw warm butter & a couple of Riptides & drones locked with Spawn & bikes in combat i called my turn 1. His turn 1 was basically damage control & the attempt to destroy my Maulerfiends & the troops. Unfortunately he shot the Alpha-Maulerfiend - so 2 Attacks on the charge for the other 2 Maulerfiends who made their saves and now were really, really angry.
In turn 2, i killed his Stormsurge and 2 Riptides and he threw the game - but he also threw a miniture of mine. You were able to see, that he was used to winning & losing against a sub-par army that wasn't about winning tournaments made him really really pissed. No Epic handshake, no eye contact, no banter - he was mad af. And somehow he decied to blame me & insult me, push my miniatures around a pointing out how badly they're painted. Now, i don't say i'm good at painting - but they're good enough to sit on display in my FLGS. And my newly painted & converted burning brand lord is actually my best painted model - so he decided to break the code of honor & conduct and break my model. Now, i'm normally i nice guy - i work in as a psychiatric / mental health nurse. But when you destroy my property i can be everything but nice - but thankfully one employee defused this highly explosive situation by throwing this guy out. It was probably the last time i played in the GW-Store - at least for a while. And definetely against Tau - never ever again.
I think this game was at least a contender for worst experience. I was planning on playing a game with a friend, but do to lack of tables and someone else also wanting to play we said sure, lets do a 2vs2. Sadly one of the worst people in the store joined in (this was official GW). We just went ok, as refusing this person basically guaranteed not being able to play for the rest of the day with how the GW was arranged and opening hours.
To set the scene, we had four armies. I played CSM, my friend SM, the other person GK and the last person to join Daemons. Now we already knew there were going to be CSM, SM and GK as I was supposed to just put up more Chaos Marines in a 2v1, so paring GK and SM seemed natural. This was fifth edition GK as well, nice and strong against a somewhat weaker Daemon dex at the time. But Daemon player which was also a bit TFG insisted that with some WD changes his Daemon list was actually very good (the WD changes were decent but he just was an awful tactician). So against me objecting (he had other armies) he wilfully played Daemons against Grey Knights. I thought fine, but just let me deploy opposite to the Grey Knights.
Deployment went like a dream, we rolled second on initiative. Letting me easily deploy across from the Grey Knights to protect the Daemons. Then to top it all off we seized the initiative! I thought cool, a nice hard strike to take the edges of the opponent. I have never been so wrong. Daemon guy had deployed close to me and I didn't think any of it during the time, cover favoured deployment like this if we went second. Now this guy immediately moves all his Daemons diagonally across the board in his movement completely blocking my line of fire, and worst of all heading straight for the GK army. I was going like WTF are you doing man and (important to note: he had not stopped bragging about his list the whole time) he said he was going to show those GK who was boss. Well we all saw what was coming and this wasn't some dumb kid, we were all 17-18 year old and familiar enough that even Daemon guy should have seen the stupidity.
What followed was both the shortest and most agonizing game I have ever played. He locked me into the corner with his moving, refusing to move an inch aside, not even allowing me to shoot for the most part as I could't re-position or without giving cover saves on things like plasma shots. Of course he never made it across against all the specialized anti-Daemon fire from the GK and the shooting of a whole other additional army. What follows can only be described as some sort of hissy fit. It was over in less than 10 minutes. All the bragging and douchery about how awesome he was just ended in screaming about OPGK. He was in a state between rage and crying, or angry crying. Everybody looked over and the three of us just looked at each other awkwardly and silently (we knew he was going to lose). Then, the familiar story we all have heard about someone anger throwing/breaking their models back into their case happened. In 10 minutes I lost like two guys and he had been wiped due to his awesome tactics. The three of us ended the game there while the other guy left. I didn't feel bad for losing as it wasn't really my game to lose, but the GK player felt really awkward due to what was directed at him. We laughed about it later and never saw the Daemon guy again (the GW closed down not too long afterwards due to budget cuts). Thus it will remain my worst game but also that event that we all remember as the GK player making a Daemon player cry and quit the hobby, which sounds hilariously bad with all the GK deployment cheese you heard about in those days if you don't know this story.
Guilty secondary SM army next to the Grey Knights... Though... I think it were my Eldar. I remember something about those Tzeench Flamers and a unit of Dire Avengers being killed. Due to some of his tiresome LOS donkey poop. Not sure, it's been... 7/8 years. It was a bad game, I don't feel bad for the guy at all though. He was quite a TFG and tended to cheat... a lot. But this was the last time we ever saw him at a GW.
The worst time for me was when he (The guy I quoted) and I went to a friendly team tourney, meaning it was mostly normal lists, no power lists. It was quite fun until we met the TFGWAAC players in a game against us, CSM and Daemons. They were the sort of people that just did their best just to piss you off. Stuffing as many Riptides as they could into the tiny lists, and all out whining about every single rule. The match absolutely ruined that day for me. Never had a onesided match as that, except the one mentioned above.
Read through this thread cringing then realised i had my own to offer-
Not necessarily a gaming experience but as a new player (november) i chose to play TAU for the simple reason of; they look cool asf and they're the models i wanted to paint.
As i buy models for the "rule of cool" my lists are (by tau standards) fairly uncompetitive. And yet im bombarded every game with "tau are cheese" by the guy with invisible Guilliman, by the guy with an invisible squad of teleporting wraithguard with soulburst, by the guy who decides not to tell me he has the avatar of death and then states i should have read his list when he drops it where his suicide jet bike thing died.
The worst though- was the hissy fit 2-3 (one of which a staff member) veteran eldar players had when me and another tau player dared to argue that signature systems were not limited to one per army, they did this in such a hostile an arrogant way that it has truely tainted my view of 40k and the type of people it attracts.
This rule was cleared up by the manager who contacted a GW rep and other tournament organizers to clarify.... obviously we received no sort of apology (which if id have shown the same kind of arrogance they did, i would have been quick to issue)
My worst experience was my very first game, played a random pick up game as a guy was looking for an opponent and I figured to hell with it time to get a game in... So I'm pulling my units out of my carry case and I hear "My armies ready" look onto the table to see 3 Imperial Knights in a 1250 point game... You can imagine how that game went, I was quite close to just quitting the hobby after that game... Luckily I didn't but yeah... It SUCKED
I was a total NooB with some Khador. Went to a Black Lion Games in Edinburgh to find a game.
Got involved in a three player battle. Sadly, my opponents saw it not as a chance to show a newcomer the ropes and deliver some coaching, but an excuse to beat the snot of a NooB.
Left such a bad taste in my mouth I never played again, and wound up flogging my stuff on eBay.
Seriously. What sort of knobber enjoys wailing on NooBs like that?
That's pretty standard for Warmachine in our area, both me and everyone else I know who've tried branching out into it have had the same experience. I went into WMH hearing about how its soooo balanced and soooo much better than 40k and my only goal in the game was to play as many different giant dragon monsters as I could put in a list. So I dutifully picked out the caster who worked the best with that, and fielded all the right support units, and watched a whole bunch of videos about how to play them, and as soon as I showed up to the club they were playing with a mix of unpainted/unbuilt/totally proxied minis, running nothing but the top three tournament netlists at the time.
I believe my first game was against a list that could set up wide strips of line of sight blocking terrain that blocked all shooting and charging through, and the army would just stroll down the board with giant treemen who had a billion HP and defense and just grind your entire army to a pulp. 3/5 players at the club when I was there were playing that exact same list with zero interaction whatsoever, patting each other on the back about how much it was awesome and owned this list or that list.
First game of 40k I ever played, this was back in 2nd edition so going a loooong way back. I had like a few squads of (badly painted) Ultramarines, like I think two tactical squads, maybe a Rhino, maybe some Terminators (I forget). My opponent, who knew I was brand new to the game and was supposed to be running the game shop's 40k night, had Space Wolves. With Wolf Guard Terminators with both Cyclone Missile Launchers and Assault Cannons (as only they could do then). He also brought out an Armorcast Warhound Titan and when I questioned if it was legal because I had never seen it in any of the books, produced its datafax and said "Of course it's legal, it has rules". The details of said game are very hazy to me now, but I recall I teamed up with a second kid who was also brand new (and also had Ultramarines) and we both got wiped off the board. He did not really teach anything.
I also more recently played a "demo game" of 40k where I had 1k points of Chaos (pre-Traitor's Hate so just a CAD) and my opponent used Grey Knights with several squads and a Dreadknight, and decided that we should play one of the Malestrom missions with random objectives instead of a simple kill points game (I had expected Purge the Alien). He was helpful but his choice of army and mission I felt made it very hard to learn the game.
Honorable mention goes to my first AOS game that was using a mission from the Season of War pack, where if you kill your opponent's monster you win the game automatically. I was thrown into using Matched Play with just the box I had (the big army box that was released for Flesh-Eater Courts) so I was forced to split my unit of ghouls into two units of 10 to meet Battleline, and was then informed that I was not allowed to use the battalion that came with the box I was looking forward to using (because it had no points). My opponent fielded Seraphon with a Bastiladon w/the laser crystal and some acid spitting Tyrannosaurus-type dinosaur to my one monster (my Ghoul King on Terrorgheist) and killed him the second turn because I was not aware that you could shoot into/out of combat, so coming from Warmachine I tried to block his Bastiladon's shooting by charging it and the other dino with my ghouls.
I was a total NooB with some Khador. Went to a Black Lion Games in Edinburgh to find a game.
Got involved in a three player battle. Sadly, my opponents saw it not as a chance to show a newcomer the ropes and deliver some coaching, but an excuse to beat the snot of a NooB.
Left such a bad taste in my mouth I never played again, and wound up flogging my stuff on eBay.
Seriously. What sort of knobber enjoys wailing on NooBs like that?
That's pretty standard for Warmachine in our area, both me and everyone else I know who've tried branching out into it have had the same experience. I went into WMH hearing about how its soooo balanced and soooo much better than 40k and my only goal in the game was to play as many different giant dragon monsters as I could put in a list. So I dutifully picked out the caster who worked the best with that, and fielded all the right support units, and watched a whole bunch of videos about how to play them, and as soon as I showed up to the club they were playing with a mix of unpainted/unbuilt/totally proxied minis, running nothing but the top three tournament netlists at the time.
I believe my first game was against a list that could set up wide strips of line of sight blocking terrain that blocked all shooting and charging through, and the army would just stroll down the board with giant treemen who had a billion HP and defense and just grind your entire army to a pulp. 3/5 players at the club when I was there were playing that exact same list with zero interaction whatsoever, patting each other on the back about how much it was awesome and owned this list or that list.
Never went back to that game.
To be fair, that's supposed to happen in Warmachine. You're meant to fall for tricks like moving your caster a little too far and getting shot off the board because a fraction of your base is visible, or pop-and-dropped with Kreoss or having Sorscha1 move like 18" or whatever. You are supposed to learn from it. If the opponent was a jerk about it, that's a problem, but the game encourages getting beat down hard and fast when you aren't exposed to a trick, so you can learn to watch for it. It doesn't excuse douchebag players, but it's part of the appeal of the game, that it's unmerciful and brutal. Pulling punches doesn't help you improve.
Source: Was nearly turned off warmachine by a very laid back "casual scrub" group who came from GW and wanted to discourage playing powerful casters/units/combos because it was "too good". It made me learn the game incorrectly and I have yet to really recover from it.
Also not me but a friend may have had a "worst" gaming experience last week: Big apocalypse game, hyped as "Fall of Cadia". Imperium vs. Chaos. Chaos turns up with Magnus the Red and some guy had a scratchbuilt (and too large) Khorne Tower of Skulls made from some toy tank with an old GW Battlemasters tower glued on the front; it was larger than it should have been so it hung over the deployment zone by like 3 inches. They ruled to not use Death from the Skies or Flyers, which my friend uses a lot of. His army got wiped off the board first turn by the Tower, and he said screw it and quit the game and raged to me later about it.
Also honorable mention, guy with Stormcast (new rules) told me he had the "worst game ever" when he first experienced the Gorefist from Ironjawz. 3 units of Gore-gruntas charging him first turn and being able to move after killing a unit? (never heard of that rule) made for a miserable experience.
Funny, I created an "opposite" experience from what was typically listed here.
I tend to be pretty competitive and had just taken up Bolt Action as a game.
I decided that for my first tournament, I would not field the strongest cheese I could find because I did not want to leave a bad impression.
Well, I had the living heck beaten out of me due to everyone else taking their lists to the max... what was I thinking??
The bright moment out of all this is that they all then thought I was a sucky player and I had the pleasure of destroying a couple of the resident TFG's in later games.
It is just a mixed feeling to lose to the guy "that never won a game before".
Lesson learned: never take regular troops to a veteran fight.
I was a total NooB with some Khador. Went to a Black Lion Games in Edinburgh to find a game.
Got involved in a three player battle. Sadly, my opponents saw it not as a chance to show a newcomer the ropes and deliver some coaching, but an excuse to beat the snot of a NooB.
Left such a bad taste in my mouth I never played again, and wound up flogging my stuff on eBay.
Seriously. What sort of knobber enjoys wailing on NooBs like that?
Just Tony wrote: For the life of me, I can't figure out what the fun is in "noobstomping". I'd rather coach someone to be a formidable opponent, THEN earn a victory. Not only that, but it strikes me that if you are used to easy wins vs. novices, the first competent player you come up against will reduce you to tears. I guess I just don't understand that logic. From what I understand, the same guy who fethed me over at that tourney was showing new players 40k in 5th Ed and ran 1K Sons rhino rush rapid fire spam. Class act.
I find myself purposefully making mistakes against new players in order to help them have a better chance at winning. Leaving a bitter taste in the mouth of new players only increases the chance that they will quit the hobby or return the favor to other new players. Sadly, that sometimes isn't even enough to help them out, but at least I am trying to not be cheesy and let them make tactical decisions.
Really, it's a matter of character.
Speaking of Warmahordes issues, I have a few. I have ranted about this on other threads here, but here I go again. This isn't just a bad gaming experience, but a bad gaming COMMUNITY experience that is still ongoing :
Bit of back-story: in 2013, I had been playing 40K and Fantasy for several years, but I was thinking about trying the competition to see what it's all about, so I got the starter set and never did anything with it. In 2015, I was aggravated and bothered at some of GW's business moves and decided to jump into Warmahordes full strength so I could keep painting miniatures and playing with them in games. The then only FLGS had a strong local player base, so I figured I'd give it a shot.
Early on in trying Warmahordes, I only ran into one player who was truly helpful in my local area. In my first game, he coached me through the game, and helped my Warcaster assassinate his, taking me step by step to help me learn combos and the wording on spells. I liked him, let's call him Player A. And then I played the other players. Now, I'm not going to complain about losing several dozen games (around 40+ or so) and only getting 3 victories in total (once was the starter game, one was my actual skill, and another was lucky rolls). But several players at this particular LGS (it's not friendly anymore if you ask me) took on the Page 5 mentality of "Play like you've got a pair!" too far in my view. Player A only showed up about once or twice every couple months, so I ended up usually playing the other players who played with shenanigans and that PP attitude justifiying it. But I played on.
I had in most of my games this one experienced player (let's call him Player B) who kept trying to tell me that what I am doing is wrong and that I need to do these other things to try and scrounge up a victory (funny enough, those games I won were when he wasn't watching at any point!). At any point Player B came around, he was trying to "make us better players". I didn't want to be a "better player", I was trying to have fun in my favorite hobby after feeling aggravated at GW's then-recent decisions. But I played on.
There was also this very strong anti-GW sentiment amongst the players. A couple of them were all "yeah, GW is okay. Fluff and models can be cool, but the rules suck", but several were just bitter ex-GW players, and nothing GW could do would ever make them change. They were all "PP rules are so balanced" and "the models and fluff are awesome!" and "GW makes the rules for their latest releases so much better than everything else so you have to buy the new models!" and on and on and on. At the time, these words didn't bother me, but nowadays it just bothers me. But I played on.
Our local Press Ganger (Let's call him Player C) also played here, and he was also employed by the store where we were playing. I never saw him demo the game at any point (that was handled by a couple other players, including both previously mentioned) but he would handle events. At one point, Player C, a hardcore veteran player and official Press Ganger, was talking with Player B about going to another town's store, playing super-cheesy lists they came up with, and "screwing with their meta". This sounded odd to me, but I waved it aside as I was trying to have fun with this players. So I played on.
Later on, I got tired of it. I was playing Khador, which was at the point a weaker army in the meta, and the models I liked weren't competitive. I don't mind losing, but after a year of playing with my skills peaking and no signs of my army getting better, I was getting worn out. And finally, I just quit going. GW started to do some cool stuff again, and I learned that there was a new FLGS in the area So I gave up on Warmahordes. I got the latest core rulebook and Khador starter set for Mk III, but it stopped being fun, and I just couldn't get into the story; the setting is pretty good if you like steampunk (which I am indifferent to) but the story just didn't grab me. I even talked to the new FLGS to see if they had anyone interested in Warmahordes, but I was apparently the only one. I even mentioned that I could try to demo the game to new players, which brought up the topic of Press Gangers, of which our local one was staying in the first store, got reported by the second store, and nothing happened of it, despite the fact that PP's policy stated that Press Gangers weren't supposed to work at a single store and support all of them in their local area!
There was also some drama going on where one guy got banned from the first store, so he and all his friends have now gone to the second, newer store for all their gaming. This guy has put together a bunch of tournaments and events on for GW games over the years, so pretty much all the GW players are at this newer store, myself included.
In that time, I have learned that PP really shifted the meta around, making what was strong weak (which I had bought but not yet painted by the time I quit), made the weak models stronger (which didn't help me since I didn't have enough). And I had noticed that the latest PP models were deemed to be really strong on the PP forums, and now with the latest moves by PP cracking down on online retailers and removing their forums, the hypocrisy has been revealed - PP is doing the exact same things as GW, but their fanboys are unable or unwilling to see it, IMHO.
And another story that is the nail in the coffin: I kept trying to support both stores, trying to even out where I would make my purchases for paints, models, books, etc. This past year, I went back to my LGS (the first one with the Press Ganger) and Player C is still working there. I had grabbed a GW model kit and a couple paint pots, and as he is ringing me up at the register, he flat out CRITICIZES my purchase - "Games Workshop is never getting any of my money again!"
That was it. I went back one more time to use up my last gift certificate from there, and I haven't been back since, and won't be going back again for anything. If a store doesn't like someone BUYING PRODUCT FROM THEM, then I can help them out with that
Long story short, I don't have many nice things to say about Warmahordes's community, one of the LGS in my area, and the folks who partake of both.
Process wrote:it has truely tainted my view of 40k and the type of people it attracts.
Much as this thread is doing for me. (Well, more than usual)
Wayniac wrote:To be fair, that's supposed to happen in Warmachine. You're meant to fall for tricks like moving your caster a little too far and getting shot off the board because a fraction of your base is visible... You are supposed to learn from it. If the opponent was a jerk about it, that's a problem, but the game encourages getting beat down hard and fast when you aren't exposed to a trick, so you can learn to watch for it. It doesn't excuse douchebag players, but it's part of the appeal of the game, that it's unmerciful and brutal. Pulling punches doesn't help you improve.
To be honest, it sounds like what you learn is to be a douchebag player.
BunkhouseBuster wrote:At any point Player B came around, he was trying to "make us better players". I didn't want to be a "better player", I was trying to have fun in my favorite hobby after feeling aggravated at GW's then-recent decisions.
Yeah, that. I don't think anyone sets out with the ambition to be a bad player, but when you have to go on some kind of virtual dogsbody apprenticeship or study course ("I watched all the videos on youtube!") it begins to sound less like a game, less like an enjoyable pastime. It isn't helped if what you learn involves listbuilding - the 'must have' models, minmaxing, killer kombos - exploiting individual special rules, and focusing on petty, nitpicking details.
and now with the latest moves by PP cracking down on online retailers and removing their forums, the hypocrisy has been revealed - PP is doing the exact same things as GW, but their fanboys are unable or unwilling to see it, IMHO.
Oh, you still get plenty of GW fans like that...
I had grabbed a GW model kit and a couple paint pots, and as he is ringing me up at the register, he flat out CRITICIZES my purchase - "Games Workshop is never getting any of my money again!"
That was it. I went back one more time to use up my last gift certificate from there, and I haven't been back since, and won't be going back again for anything. If a store doesn't like someone BUYING PRODUCT FROM THEM, then I can help them out with that
Sounds like an experience of mine, years ago. I'd just started visiting my local GW, enough to be a sort-of regular, and was thinking of starting Salamanders. Meaning plenty of melta weapons. Brought my first multi-melta blister up to the till, and the staff member put on his best Comic-Book-Guy impression. "Tchuh. Huh. What are you buying that for?" My first hint that the guy wasn't going to make my new hobby more enjoyable in the future (he definitely didn't) and that 40K had what I'd come to know as an always-changing meta.
'Meta'. Huh. Short for 'this game is purposely unbalanced.'
Still, it wasn't a big thing. Not something I'd call my 'worst gaming experience'. I've never really had one big blow-out or catastrophe like some in this topic, that I can point a finger at. Just a lot of small niggles and unpleasantries that informed me of the types of games and gamers that I'd rather avoid. (And if you haven't guessed the former by now...) Was it really important if a wall of ogre bulls had individual hand weapons, or hand weapons that occassionally blocked stuff, and why? Is the veteran sergeant's choice of pistol accessory going to make much difference vs. 100-odd other minis? Counting and rolling for and rolling again and picking all these saxons out of the back (or middle...) of a unit is a bleedin' faff - it's not just WFB's special rules bloat, it's Warhammer's mechanics themselves that do my head in. Man, those Ten Thunders have some ridiculous power creep. Just because a fraction of the base is visible - really!?
I've been pretty lucky-I don't have many truly bad experiences. There've been some players with iffy rules readings, some opponents who were kinda rude, but overall, I play in quite a nice shop.
Yeah, that. I don't think anyone sets out with the ambition to be a bad player, but when you have to go on some kind of virtual dogsbody apprenticeship or study course ("I watched all the videos on youtube!") it begins to sound less like a game, less like an enjoyable pastime. It isn't helped if what you learn involves listbuilding - the 'must have' models, minmaxing, killer kombos - exploiting individual special rules, and focusing on petty, nitpicking details.
one time, I bought Starcraft: Wings of Liberty; by the time I'd "learned to play" to the point of beating the (competitive) training twice, it was bound for the charity shop.
Another bad game I once had was a BA game against a friend. He was still relatively new to the game, having only played a few times but he wanted to try a 1000 point game.
I walked all over him, as I had done the previous few. He took it really well, and it was (yet again) a series of good runs with the dice (passing activation orders on '4's and hitting 50% of the time despite needing '6's) that saw victory through for me.
He was really good about it, as I said, but it left a bitter taste in my mouth, as overrunning him the past few times had. What made matters worse was that later, when I totalled up his list I found that he had been about 200-250 points under. I told him and next time I am going to once over his list to be sure he isnt denying himself by accident again. I cant take roflstomping beginners.
Wayniac wrote:To be fair, that's supposed to happen in Warmachine. You're meant to fall for tricks like moving your caster a little too far and getting shot off the board because a fraction of your base is visible... You are supposed to learn from it. If the opponent was a jerk about it, that's a problem, but the game encourages getting beat down hard and fast when you aren't exposed to a trick, so you can learn to watch for it. It doesn't excuse douchebag players, but it's part of the appeal of the game, that it's unmerciful and brutal. Pulling punches doesn't help you improve.
To be honest, it sounds like what you learn is to be a douchebag player.
If the other player is a douche, but you can learn that in any game. For me, going into Warmahordes meant that you should expect a no-holds barred game, but not have your opponent be a sore winner or throw in in your face if they beat you with a trick they pull off, they should instead win, and then explain HOW they won and explain how YOU can avoid it, so you learn and grow as a player. For instance, I absolutely loved Page 5 in Warmachine and hated how they got rid of it, only because it made it clear that you shouldn't cry about "cheese" or your opponent using a "too strong" army, but learn how it plays and how to defeat it, and on the flip side if you are the one using it, you shouldn't use it as an excuse to talk down or laugh at people but help them. However I've heard far too many horror stories and thankfully never encountered it where people used Page 5 to crush someone and then laugh about it/degrade them, which was never okay. I love that Warmachine encourages bringing your A-game at all times and not, as you often find in the GW world, moping about saying how "X is too powerful and needs a nerf" except in very rare circumstances where things actually are too good (evident by the fact PP has issued errata for some of the worst offenders)
I've mentioned this before, but this was the 2E game that disgusted me enough to quit playing 40K until the Newcrons came out. Sadly, it was against my brother, of all things.
I used to be a big D&D player and wargames were, at best, a side distraction. At the time, I only had the RT01 plastic space marines and a Land Raider I'd kitbashed from a pizza box (with guns from two GI Joe V.A.M.P.s). At the time, everyone in our "club" had latched onto Chaos forces, and I ended up playing a game vs. what must have been a Tzeench force. The main thing I remember was the enemy commander was a Chaos Sorcerer on a Juggernaut, who proceeded to turn my marine force into pink horrors. I think I killed two pinkies, only to discover they turned into two blue horrors apiece.
My opponent eventually popped my entire marine force, either killing them or turning them into horrors. I've hated Chaos ever since, and when I later got the chance to start up a Grey Knight army after I finished my Newcron force, I did it without remorse.
My worst experience was when me and another guy had agreed to meet up for a friendly game of maelstrom to try out different ways to play our armies and try units we never used before (he didn't).
He was a Tzeench player and I play Necrons so I asked him to play a game to see what it was like to have these two armies battle. The day before our game he contacted me to see what I was bringing. I was trying out an Overlord/Lynchguard unit, Deathbringer Cult (formation for 2 doom scythes) and a monolith for the fun and other units as well. So he said that he was going to make a "fun" list built around mine so that we could have "even" lists.
So the next day happens, we meet up at local shop and started to unpack our armies. I list off mine 1st seeing as he already knew what I was bringing. He then listed his in which involved 4 Dameon Prices w/ flying and Magnus the Red. His whole army was flying and I only had 2 models that can shoot in the air naturally. So I ask him why this list and he goes on to say "oh crons are broken man. 4+ RP means my Magnus and friends won't be able to take down your army". We then start the game and even from turn 1 I knew he was going to ruin my game.
I told him I never used the Monolith before nor have I tried the O lord w/ Lynchguard and wanted to see how they worked. 1st turn (after getting 20-30 for his pysk powers) he targets my monolith with Magnus strength D pysker powers. He did this till it was destroyed. He then targeted my O lord unit, used some BS pysk powers to only have my O lord and 2 Lynchguard left. (It was a unit of 11). He then gets into CC with said unit using 1 of his D Princes and absolutely destroys them. While all this is happenig he is shouting in the shop prasing how well his list is and how "squishy" my crons where.
On my turn I was moving a unit of warriors and he started arguing at me saying I moved all my models to much and either need to re-do all my movements (warriors where the last unit I moved) or that he would stop playing because of my cheating.
So I bring up that his list is super hard to destroy regarding I only have 2 units that can attack FMC and that they wernt even on the board (still my turn 1 in the movement phase). He then said "well man, you shouldnt be giving people your lists if you dont want your opponent to build something that stops your stupid crons" I then said we were only playing a friendly game that was being used to play new tactics and new way of playing our armies. The arguing goes on for 20 minutes and then the store manager pulls us both. Warns us that we need to calm down or get out. My opponents starts to say I was cheating and all this s**t to make me look like the bad guy (luckily for me the store manager was watching our game and knew what was happening). So the manager picks my side due to what we agreed to play and askd your man why the attitude towards me and why play a hard list in a friendly game.
We go back to the table top, manager is now sitting with us to stop the arguments and makes sure no cheating is going on. For the rest of the game me and my opponent didnt talk, only when we needed to. I ended up winning 13-7 but was close to being tabled due to me only having 1 doom scythe that wasnt in range to be hit by my opponent.
After the game my opponent said I only won by "cheating necrons" and that I was the A-hole not him. The manager then gets involved again, tells your man to pack his army and leave his shop. I havn't seen or heard from that person again and hope I never do. If he was an a-hole at a friendly game I can only imagine him in a tournament.
To be fair, that's supposed to happen in Warmachine. You're meant to fall for tricks like moving your caster a little too far and getting shot off the board because a fraction of your base is visible, or pop-and-dropped with Kreoss or having Sorscha1 move like 18" or whatever. You are supposed to learn from it. If the opponent was a jerk about it, that's a problem, but the game encourages getting beat down hard and fast when you aren't exposed to a trick, so you can learn to watch for it. It doesn't excuse douchebag players, but it's part of the appeal of the game, that it's unmerciful and brutal. Pulling punches doesn't help you improve.
But then, neither does being ROFLstomped so hard you've no idea what you did wrong or the other guy did right, let alone whether or not it all happened as the rules allow or not.
Whilst they're not for me, I've got nothing against super-competitive games. But surely ROFLstomping any new blood is ultimately self defeating? How is a newcomer meant to learn the ropes if all that happens is the more experienced players use them as a springboard to inflate their petty W/L/D ratio? How is a store owner meant to shift stock if a small group of self-appointed 'top dogs' demonstrate it seems to be a game played entirely by tiny-peened egotists with nothing fulfilling in their lives except the wargames equivalent of getting your mates together to go bully a kid?
If you're running a demo game, or someone's first game (whether post-demo or genuinely 'in at the deep end'), you don't need to easy on them, but taking it at a slower pace, explaining what's happening and why goes a long, long way. I've arguably run more demo games than most, given I was a three time Redshirt. And in each of them, you just explained what's going on, what you're doing, and what your opponent might like to consider for their own turn. Pass on your skill. Don't hoard it.
Worst experience wasn't a TFG or a WAAC player, it was just after Curse of the Wulfen hit and I was getting my second game with my new army, what I got was a run of rediculous luck that put me in third place in a tournament and only got one decent game.
Game#1 my Space Wolves against a visitor's Grey Knights.
We set up and chat while we do it, cool guy, really looking forwards to playing him. Before we roll the first dice his phone rings, curiosity turns to fury as he finds out work has an emergency and he has to get in there, he pulls the foam out of his box and just sweeps his Grey Knights in then storms out.
Match#2 Space Wolves vs Tau, the Tau player is one of my friends at the flgs and something of a rival, our matches are usually tight and brutal - this match was not tight.
I broke him on the first turn and boardwiped him on the second.
Match#3 Space Wolves vs White Scars.
I get my opponent's name, shake hands then he gets called away on a family emergency - I start thinking I'm bad luck to the visitors.
Match#4 Space Wolves vs Necrons.
My Space Wolves have never done well against Necrons, I either lose or grind out a tiny victory, this was a tiny victory but a damn good match. I got First Blood Assault and the Relic, my opponent got First Blood Shooting.
He was high enough on the Scoreboard to take second place, he played it out with the top scorer to see if he could grab the "Unbroken" prize.
Three out of four of my opponents had a really crappy day.
Does sound like a massively unsatisfying set of games, though ultimately nobody's fault. Which probably makes it worse. At least if TFGx3 ruins your day, you've got something to vent at!
Does sound like a massively unsatisfying set of games, though ultimately nobody's fault. Which probably makes it worse. At least if TFGx3 ruins your day, you've got something to vent at!
Or someone.
Mind you, when it gets to three in one event I start wondering if I'm not the issue.
I had spent quite a while not playing in tournaments, and went back to play in a Steamroller (Warmachine) event without reading the updated tournament scenario rules.
Turn 1- I move my force forward cautiously. I put quite a few of my warbeasts halfway into the center circle of the board because it is an auto loss if I don't move forward.
- Then my opponent looks at the board and says that I need the minis to be completely in the zone in order to count (ie- all of my warbeats don't count because they're half way out).
Guy was cool about it- I don't think he realized what was going on until after I ended my turn. He wanted a judge to come over to make sure that what he was saying was accurate, and he was pretty sympathetic (but we both agreed that 'take backs' weren't cool in a tournament).
So- worst game ever was pretty squarely my own fault.
This scenario I would say is a unanimous "worst game" when you mess up in such a bad way basically ruining it for yourself.
I have done this a few times so this is not making fun of you specifically, the situation makes for the "worst gaming experience" made even worse when your opponent is awesome.
Need to change this to "Recall your worst gaming mess-up" and bonus points if your opponent showed no mercy or if they were a good friend and never let you live it down.
My worst experiences started last year when every single tournament became ITC run and infested with rules manipulating D-bag win bros janking people with soulless easy button armies. 14 years in competitive gaming and 25 years in 40k and it was the first time something actually made me hate the game. Before ITC I could say only about 6 people in 14 years I wouldn't enjoy playing again, after last year that number was 6+ a month.
On the plus side AoS is killing it and has been a ton of fun and far more of a challenging game.
Hard to say, but pretty much most games of AoS I have played have been pretty miserable. Keep trying and hoping it gets better but it just doesnt seem to, maybe generals handbook really was the panacea it needed, but the 4 pages and scrolls just make for a lousy 4th rate game.
EverlastingNewb wrote: The worst gaming 'experience' wasn't a game related one, it was just the owner of a pretty cheesy Tau-list that made me actually go Berserk in a GW-Store.
Now, i only play for a couple of Years now - maybe 2-3 years. So i consider myself still a noob or at least a pretty unexperienced player. Since the release of traitor legions and the 'finishing' of my World Eaters army, i wanted to take my army on the big stage - i.e. away from my FLGS to a GW-Store in the nearby major City. I called in and asked if they could find a nice, friendly player to play against my lore friendly & thematicly sound World Eaters CSM army. On the weekend the next week i arrived at the GW store to see an army - Tau - with 4 Riptides and a Stormsurge. Everything but a pleasant surprise.
I expected a "hammering" on my end, maybe to survive 2-3 turns before my inevitable end. But my World Eaters got first Turn; a real good chance to get off a couple of turn 1 charges and Threaten his battleplan to "shoot me into oblivion". So, my Chaos warband including 3x3 bikers, Autocannon havocs, a termicide unit & a juggerlord with Claw & Burning Brand of Skalathrax & my Auxiliary of 3 Maulerfiends & 3x3 Spawn and, last but not least, a second juggerlord with the Berserker's Glaive not only had turn 1 but also could move before the game - 2d6 inches can be a lot. And, for some reason this dude didn't knew that. So, he didn't deploy completely on his table edge.
My first turn, all my units had moved up at least 7 inches, my bikes and both of my juggerlords moved up 10 & 11 inches. "Bingo" i thought to myself. He wasn't able to cease so i had a good shot at charging a couple of units - overall, i had 2 units of spawn, all 3 bikes squads & my solo juggerlord with the Glaive in Close combat in this turn - 6 turn 1 charges messed with his plan. And, he showed his emotions quite clearly. He raged & threw dice around. "What a lovely chap" i thought to myself. After having some lucky rolls & and 1 awesome shooting phase with my Burning Brand Juggerlord that killed an entire squad of marker drones, a really angry red Glaive-Lord-dude that chew threw his Stormsurge like a hot, blood-encrusted knife threw warm butter & a couple of Riptides & drones locked with Spawn & bikes in combat i called my turn 1. His turn 1 was basically damage control & the attempt to destroy my Maulerfiends & the troops. Unfortunately he shot the Alpha-Maulerfiend - so 2 Attacks on the charge for the other 2 Maulerfiends who made their saves and now were really, really angry.
In turn 2, i killed his Stormsurge and 2 Riptides and he threw the game - but he also threw a miniture of mine. You were able to see, that he was used to winning & losing against a sub-par army that wasn't about winning tournaments made him really really pissed. No Epic handshake, no eye contact, no banter - he was mad af. And somehow he decied to blame me & insult me, push my miniatures around a pointing out how badly they're painted. Now, i don't say i'm good at painting - but they're good enough to sit on display in my FLGS. And my newly painted & converted burning brand lord is actually my best painted model - so he decided to break the code of honor & conduct and break my model. Now, i'm normally i nice guy - i work in as a psychiatric / mental health nurse. But when you destroy my property i can be everything but nice - but thankfully one employee defused this highly explosive situation by throwing this guy out. It was probably the last time i played in the GW-Store - at least for a while. And definetely against Tau - never ever again.
Your comment about being a decent painter made me want to check your gallery, and I just wanted to say that there are some smashing paintjobs and conversions in there
Dakka Wolf wrote: I understand the word, I don't understand what it has to do with bad gaming experiences.
That's why I'm asking for a reference rather than a definition.
Let's just say that, sometimes, playing a full game with someone who hasn't cleaned themselves can become a bit unbearable. I've had a couple of these, and I don't even feel like disclosing how much it sucks having to breathe it in and act like nothing's wrong.
Dakka Wolf wrote: I understand the word, I don't understand what it has to do with bad gaming experiences.
That's why I'm asking for a reference rather than a definition.
Let's just say that, sometimes, playing a full game with someone who hasn't cleaned themselves can become a bit unbearable. I've had a couple of these, and I don't even feel like disclosing how much it sucks having to breathe it in and act like nothing's wrong.
Ahh, Nerdstink. Forgot about that possibility, thanks.
Still, that's some serious funk if it affects dice-rolls as well.
We had a guy with nerdstink in our group, luckily though we were distracted by the fact he would always eat cheesy wotsits and then use OUR dice with his cheesy fingers. I felt sorry for one of the guys we played with who couldn't say no; he ended up with a cheesy coating on all of his books and models.
mrhappyface wrote: We had a guy with nerdstink in our group, luckily though we were distracted by the fact he would always eat cheesy wotsits and then use OUR dice with his cheesy fingers. I felt sorry for one of the guys we played with who couldn't say no; he ended up with a cheesy coating on all of his books and models.
Considering how often my Wolves and Nids are on loan I wonder how lucky I am they're not orange.
Staff kind of need to - a half hour lunch break is no time, and you never know when you need a snack to perk you up.
But even then, have a care what you're eating. Nothing that'll stink the store out, nothing that leaves under residue on your mitts (sandwiches and regular crisps are dandy. Wotsits...not so much)
Dakka Wolf wrote: Ahh, Nerdstink. Forgot about that possibility, thanks.
Still, that's some serious funk if it affects dice-rolls as well.
Believe me, fresh air is a pure luxury after such encounters
Perhaps my nose is just a little too sensitive though. If I care enough about the people I'm around, I'll often apply more deo than usual, and pad my jacket with lavender oil
Dakka Wolf wrote: Ahh, Nerdstink. Forgot about that possibility, thanks.
Still, that's some serious funk if it affects dice-rolls as well.
Believe me, fresh air is a pure luxury after such encounters
Perhaps my nose is just a little too sensitive though. If I care enough about the people I'm around, I'll often apply more deo than usual, and pad my jacket with lavender oil
Or your FLGS doesn't have particularly great ventilation, considering how bad nerds and geeks can smell it's suprising how many gameshops are located in basements and effectively greenhouses. I've got three gameshops within a half hour of my place, my favorite is top floor, has a bigger building on it's Western side, double level opening windows on all four sides and heavy duty extraction fans. The owner has no idea what the building originally was but doubts he could custom build a better gameshop.
Personally, I despise lavender oil, makes me think of hospitals and highschool toilets but I apply deoderant pretty liberally as well.
For me it was, unfortunately, my first ever game of AoS. Me and a regular opponent were cautiously optimistic about the new system and put together an army each from our existing collections the week after the rules came out.
What followed was a mismatched game devoid of any feeling of tactical manoeuvre and bogged down by constant references to unit rules. It was so bad we tried one more game before basically giving up on it altogether. I'm told it's a lot better now but it's amazing how one bad experience can turn you away from a game forever.
That's the issue I have with the comments about WM/H being a game were you need to expect to get crushed at first. Why? Annihilating newbies isn't difficult for experienced players in any game so why is WM/H different? All it says to me is that it may not be worth my time trying to learn a game that nobody seems to want to teach me. If your first impression of a game is terrible - for whatever reason - it makes it that much less likely you'll come back to try again.
. I eventually called the match and left. I havn't seen them since except I saw one of them at the 
(your opponent of course, not you)
