Forgot about that one. Good movie. Thinking about it... Add Star Trek 1 to that too. But for each of those there's a Ghostbusters, Black Fish and Red Dawn.
This looks great. But no natlaie portman? Hulk vs Thor looks like it will be a great fight, but I betcha they work together in the end to get out of whatever sticky situation they got into.
As far as Ghostbusters goes, we finally watched it this weekend and I enjoyed it. Maybe my expectations were way low because of all the interweb hate. Not as good as the first by a longshot but it wasn't the Ishtar everyone made it out to be.
Necros wrote: This looks great. But no natlaie portman? Hulk vs Thor looks like it will be a great fight, but I betcha they work together in the end to get out of whatever sticky situation they got into.
As far as Ghostbusters goes, we finally watched it this weekend and I enjoyed it. Maybe my expectations were way low because of all the interweb hate. Not as good as the first by a longshot but it wasn't the Ishtar everyone made it out to be.
Last I heard Natalie and Gwyneth are not in any more Marvel films :( Sad really as I thought they were both fun and (espeically GP) had good connection with thier partner.
It looks like while brain storming on why the previous Thor movies kind of stunk, somebody suggested it was because they were not fun enough. And it seems that person was listened to.
Helmsworth can be plenty funny so making Thor less serious is a good direction for the title talent.
Necros wrote: That sucks, I liked Gwenneth in the iron man movies. Natalie was ok too, but if I had to choose I'd rather have pepper potts stick around.
Same! Pepper was a great foil to Tony, and the chemistry was fantastic. We definitely needed more of her.
Natalie? Eh, I can do without, simply because she doesn't relate to Thor.
Pepper and Tony were so great together in the various films - the interplay in the tower was such fun in Avengers as well as IM - sadly she has apparently gone off acting and Natlaie is not that interested either.
Personally Loved the previous Thor films and rate them as some of the best with Cap A 2, Iron Man 1 and Avengers
Frazzled wrote: I will admit the image of Hulk in battle armor charging at your might put you off your lunch.
It reminded me of the Planet Hulk arc (Hulk as John Carter of Mars, essentially), which I absolutely loved. If, like there, the arena is on some sort of barbaric alien world, it's easy to imagine how the Guardians could drop in.
Gwyneth Paltrow is contracted for 1 more movie. Speculation is she's going to be in one of the Infinity Wars, though she's pretty reluctant about the whole thing. Natalie Portman has said she'd be happy to return, but Marvel doesn't seem interested.
I fully expect the Hulk showdown to be in the first half of the film, leading to a buddy adventure film for the other half.
I am almost positive she won't be, even though her hair and costume color palate seem to suggest it. It would not make sense unless there is some weird time travel or growth acceleration shenanigans.
Loki wasn't "evil" until the events of Thor pushed him there. Sure he was always power hungry and manipulative, but I doubt he would have had time to conceive a daughter that turns out just like him.
However, we don't know where Loki went at the end of Thor. He could easily have fallen into some time-bending rift for eons, conceived and/or raised a daughter before Thanos saved him and sent him to Earth. Who knows?
There is also that rumor that Hela may be playing the role as Lady Death in the Infinity Wars. It would be odd for Thanos to be lusting after the daughter of a failed underling (from his point of view)
Didn't the Thor: Ragnarok storyline in the comics have a kind of Battlestar Galactica, "all which has happened before will happen again" thing to it?
Sure, if I remember right, it got a bit overly meta, but the concept was that that all the events in Viking myth actually happened to previous incarnations of Asgard and the Asgardian gods, which was regularly destroyed and then reborn time after time, with only Odin remembering the details.
It was Thors interaction with modern Earth and the Avengers that drove him to learn this and break the cycle.
ScarJo can't act and wouldn't get roles if she wasn't attractive. Kind of like Ashton Kutcher. Hardly an uncommon phenomena in Hollywood.
The preview is fantastic. I am glad they are upping the fun factor and figured out that the overly self serious comic book movies are a drag. I am interested to see how Hela can shatter Mjolnir like that.
jmurph wrote: ScarJo can't act and wouldn't get roles if she wasn't attractive. Kind of like Ashton Kutcher. Hardly an uncommon phenomena in Hollywood.
The preview is fantastic. I am glad they are upping the fun factor and figured out that the overly self serious comic book movies are a drag. I am interested to see how Hela can shatter Mjolnir like that.
I did like her in Lost in Translation and her voice in Her...
Ashton Kuschner? Love Dude Where's My Car with him and Stifler.
Odin in the movie? Didn't see Sir Anthony Hopkins in the trailer...
jmurph wrote: ScarJo can't act and wouldn't get roles if she wasn't attractive. Kind of like Ashton Kutcher. Hardly an uncommon phenomena in Hollywood.
The preview is fantastic. I am glad they are upping the fun factor and figured out that the overly self serious comic book movies are a drag. I am interested to see how Hela can shatter Mjolnir like that.
Face it, you're just slamming her because she's now gone and done roles where she wasn't blonde...and we know how Texans feel about blondes.
Hel was a Goddess of death - well some of it - well those who died in certain ways - mostly the old and the sick but not those who died in battle, or drowned or various other ways who were owned buy other Gods and Goddesses
She is often described as one of the children of Loki (I think he is the father not the mother - he does give birth to some creatures when he shifted to a mare and gets frisky with a stallion IIRC) . Her siblings are extremely powerful - one encircles the entire earth.
Hel was a Goddess of death - well some of it - well those who died in certain ways - mostly the old and the sick but not those who died in battle, or drowned or various other ways who were owned buy other Gods and Goddesses
She is often described as one of the children of Loki (I think he is the father not the mother - he does give birth to some creatures when he shifted to a mare and gets frisky with a stallion IIRC) . Her siblings are extremely powerful - one encircles the entire earth.
It does look awesome.
Hold on; are we talking mythology or Marvel? I am pretty sure in Marvel she is an Asgardian (despite being born on Jotunheim to a giantess and Loki) with mystical abilities and some sort of pact with Death.
Hel was a Goddess of death - well some of it - well those who died in certain ways - mostly the old and the sick but not those who died in battle, or drowned or various other ways who were owned buy other Gods and Goddesses
She is often described as one of the children of Loki (I think he is the father not the mother - he does give birth to some creatures when he shifted to a mare and gets frisky with a stallion IIRC) . Her siblings are extremely powerful - one encircles the entire earth.
It does look awesome.
Hold on; are we talking mythology or Marvel? I am pretty sure in Marvel she is an Asgardian (despite being born on Jotunheim to a giantess and Loki) with mystical abilities and some sort of pact with Death.
Mythology - I don;t really know the Marvel (comics) version - inteterested to see what she is in the MCU
That was a wonderfully dorky movie, I think the Johanssossoson is a passable enough actress but a tad overused in the splodedy fistycuffs genre, meaning she doesn't get to do as much interesting stuff as she once did.
As for Thor, more cosmic, less Portman appears to have fixed the mehh of the last two (most movies are better with less of Natty P, some of the best films have none at all)
Ghostworld is an amazing movie. Scarlett Johansson is a great actress that starred in a bunch of awful movie, but I think she's very good.
Thor movies are actually among the few marvel cinematic universe films that I like, in the upcoming one I saw that also Jaimie Alexander is not part of the cast though :(
I'm still of the opinion that Marvel haven't put out any truly duff movies.
Whilst The Dark World is probably the weakest, it's perfectly serviceable as films go. Plot is coherent, character development occurs, and it's more than a simple retread of it's predecessor.
As for Ms Johansson? Can you blame her for taking well paying rolls that make use of her physique whilst she can? We know actresses have a definite shelf life in Hollywood - so let's make hay whilst the sun shines. Once she moves beyond the usual age group, she can bust out her acting chops once again.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I'm still of the opinion that Marvel haven't put out any truly duff movies.
Whilst The Dark World is probably the weakest, it's perfectly serviceable as films go. Plot is coherent, character development occurs, and it's more than a simple retread of it's predecessor.
As for Ms Johansson? Can you blame her for taking well paying rolls that make use of her physique whilst she can? We know actresses have a definite shelf life in Hollywood - so let's make hay whilst the sun shines. Once she moves beyond the usual age group, she can bust out her acting chops once again.
The you need to improve your standards.
Thor Thor Darkworld Green lantern EDIT: while Green Lantern sucked I have been informed its not Marvel. I have also been informed I am a poser. I hope to pose with some nice barbeque for lunch today. Hulk II (the non Ang Lee one, although I like how they treated Hulk in Avengers. I barely remember Avengers II so can't relate) speaking of: Avengers II Captain America (all of them but especially the first, I literally wandered off to play on the computer).
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I'm still of the opinion that Marvel haven't put out any truly duff movies.
Whilst The Dark World is probably the weakest, it's perfectly serviceable as films go. Plot is coherent, character development occurs, and it's more than a simple retread of it's predecessor.
As for Ms Johansson? Can you blame her for taking well paying rolls that make use of her physique whilst she can? We know actresses have a definite shelf life in Hollywood - so let's make hay whilst the sun shines. Once she moves beyond the usual age group, she can bust out her acting chops once again.
I would agree that there have been no "bad" marvel movies although Cap America 1 was not very good (as opposed to Cap A 2 which was awesome) and Guardians was only "ok".
Can't fault any of the other films (ignoring the older Hulk films and Green Lantern, basically anything before Iron Man)
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I'm still of the opinion that Marvel haven't put out any truly duff movies.
I've said elsewhere, the Hulk movie is Marvel's weakest. It was pre-Disney Marvel, and it just didn't take. Hence the recasting and lack of any sequels.
It's not awful, but it's not really good, either. It's in the middle range that checked the boxes, but didn't stand out much and has since been largely lost to time. Until people say "Norton" and "Abomination", and then people go "oh, yeah..." ____
This trailer gives us a better idea of what the plot is going to involve, but I think the first one is my favorite of the two. In any case, I expect I'll be in the theater some time opening weekend for this.
Though given Thanos is in love with Death (at least in the comics), dare we hope Hela isn't a mere 'one and done' villain, given she's a Goddess of Death?
With regard to possible plot spoiling in the trailers, don't forget Marvel and indeed Disney are getting quite good at curve balls.
I know some are irked when a trailered scene isn't in the final cut - but consider what they're doing there.
Cast your mind back to the first trailer for Avengers Assemble. We get to see Tony and Steve bickering - the whole 'take away the suit and what are you?' bit. Now that scene is in the film. But in the trailer is was portrayed as friendly banter - and Thor's guffaw was from a slightly different bit of the same scene.
I appreciate that curveball, and it made me sit up and pay attention going forward.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: With regard to possible plot spoiling in the trailers, don't forget Marvel and indeed Disney are getting quite good at curve balls.
I know some are irked when a trailered scene isn't in the final cut - but consider what they're doing there.
Cast your mind back to the first trailer for Avengers Assemble. We get to see Tony and Steve bickering - the whole 'take away the suit and what are you?' bit. Now that scene is in the film. But in the trailer is was portrayed as friendly banter - and Thor's guffaw was from a slightly different bit of the same scene.
I appreciate that curveball, and it made me sit up and pay attention going forward.
IIRC Thors chuckle wasn't in it at all, and Starks attitude when he said 'genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist' went from confused and condescending in the trailer to being stated more matter of factly and kind of hostile in the film. That whole scene seems to have gone through a reshoot.
Though given Thanos is in love with Death (at least in the comics), dare we hope Hela isn't a mere 'one and done' villain, given she's a Goddess of Death?
Maybe?
But then I wouldn't be surprised at all if they just don't do the "THANOS HEARTS DEATH" angle for the movie.
He's coming to Earth because he wants the Infinity Stones/Gems/WhateverThey'reCalledNow - and there's a bunch of them there.
Not sure if they *need* to use anything other than that?
"Loving Death" is, perhaps, a bit much for an MCU movie...
One of the best lines of dialogue in the trailer for Thor: Ragnarok is when Thor sees the Hulk smash through the doors of the gladiator arena and he looks up at Jeff Goldblum's Grandmaster and calls Hulk a "friend from work."
That line of dialogue wasn't in the original script but it sure did get a ton of laughs from the fans. We already reported that 80% of the movie was improvised, but this line actually has a very cool and touching origin. Chris Hemsworth revealed that origin in an interview with Entertainment Weekly saying:
“We had a young kid, a Make-A-Wish kid on set that day. He goes, ‘You know, you should say, ‘He’s a friend from work!’”
And they ended up using it! How awesome in that!? That kid has got to be so stoked that they actually used his suggestion in the movie. It's such a funny line that works so perfectly in the scene. I love that the line came from a young Marvel fan.
Yeah, I've been reading, "it's the (one of) the funniest marvel movies." But some people have also been adding that this can cause a bit of weirdness in the third act. Cause it is like... Ragnarok... Which should be a kinda serious thing.
Just got back from seeing it with the family. Loved it - it's a comedy disguised as a superhero film. Good performances all round, especially from Hemsworth and Blanchett. Jeff Goldblum's a hoot too.
Looking forward to seeing it again next week with friends.
Easy E wrote: That needs way more Queen on the soundtrack!
I think Taika Waititi agreed, but there's a sad shortage of Freddy Mercury these days.
I really enjoyed it - much better than the other Thor films. I really only bothered with the first one because it was necessary setup for Avengers, and the second one was just ... pointless.
One review did say that some of the more serious scenes were undermined by the jokes, and I can see what they meant. It's a minor flaw, though, and it didn't spoil my enjoyment of the film at all.
Good to see the director giving himself one of the best parts.
Cate Blanchett is my stand out as Hela. Just absolutely superb, with a suitable slice of cheese and ham in her talent sandwich for this film.
Whilst it’s not completely perfect, it’s a brilliant film which could all too easily have come out far too camp. That’s no mean feat balancing comedy and drama. Can’t wait to add it to my collection.
Just please tell me they kept in the line about the friend from work. After hearing the background of where that line came from, it more than deserves to be in the movie. For those who didn’t hear the background, it was basically from a kid who had cancer who said that it should be in the movie.
timetowaste85 wrote: Just please tell me they kept in the line about the friend from work. After hearing the background of where that line came from, it more than deserves to be in the movie. For those who didn’t hear the background, it was basically from a kid who had cancer who said that it should be in the movie.
Yeah, it's there. It's expanded a bit as well from what we saw in the trailer. That whole arena sequence was great.
Watched it Friday and really enjoyed - its a great fun ride, not the very best Marvel have done but very very good.
Its interesting how different some of the preview shots end up being in the movie - eg the location for the first meeting between Hela and Thor/Loki is different.
Everyone seems to be having great fun making, suprisingly high death toll given the light tone of the film.
AndrewGPaul wrote: One review did say that some of the more serious scenes were undermined by the jokes, and I can see what they meant. It's a minor flaw, though, and it didn't spoil my enjoyment of the film at all.
Towards the end, it did feel a bit like "Okay, subversion's coming in three, two...." but when they worked, they were brilliant. Like Banner's jump onto the bridge. Overall, really enjoyed it, and I liked the little details like the rock guy (who was the first antagonist Thor ever fought in the comics, and who then came back for the Planet Hulk arc)--and I'm fairly sure that was a statue of Gladiator (the X-Men antagonist) on the arena walls.
Korg was an interesting character, being both hilarious yet highlighting not only a problem with the movie but a bigger problem with the MCU overall.
There's a lot of pathos in the MCU, or there would be if they didn't stop undercutting it with one-liners. Korg was symptomatic of this, especially at the end of the film.
No MCU film has been as relentlessly quippy as Age of Ultron (thank God), but it seems that Mavel's success with their very funny humour has mutated to the point where now everything must have a one-liner lest things get serious (let alone too serious).
Cap seems mostly immune from this, thankfully, and I'm hoping Black Panther will as well, but I'm worried that with Iron Man, Star Lord, Ant-Man, Drax, Rocket, Thor and Spider-Man all on screen in Infinity War that it's going to become too much.
As for Korg, he had what is simultaneously my favourite and most hated line in the film:
"I'm made of rock, so you only have to be afraid if you are made out of scissors!"
(Or words to that effect)
It's a very funny line, made even funnier by Taika's delivery, but it's also awful and SOD breaking. Even if we accept that a Kronan knows what scissors are, why would it know of an Earth game like that?
AndrewGPaul wrote: One review did say that some of the more serious scenes were undermined by the jokes, and I can see what they meant. It's a minor flaw, though, and it didn't spoil my enjoyment of the film at all.
Towards the end, it did feel a bit like "Okay, subversion's coming in three, two...." but when they worked, they were brilliant. Like Banner's jump onto the bridge. Overall, really enjoyed it, and I liked the little details like the rock guy (who was the first antagonist Thor ever fought in the comics, and who then came back for the Planet Hulk arc)--and I'm fairly sure that was a statue of Gladiator (the X-Men antagonist) on the arena walls.
I definitely clocked Beta Ray Bill's likeness
Did feel Skurge was a little underused. When he was up he was great, but it wasn't all that often. As one of my faves, Karl Urban deserves more. Especially more Dredd. ALL THE DREDD.
Still, hopefully we'll see him in future films.
One last thing?
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Yeah, spoiler tags because this is pretty big info....the deaths of the Warriors Three happened way too quickly. Two of them barely got a lick in when Hela got home. That's my main disappointment
Still an absolutely cracking film! And not long until Homecoming is out on home media in the UK. Woooo!
I thought it was absolutely terrific. I always thought Thor was pretty lame in the comics but he's been very solid in the MCU.
I would say at least once the comedy did undermine a scene though - as mentioned, the Banner jump. It would have been cooler if they had played it straight.
I assumed they were spoofing the similar scene in the original Hulk movie.
On thinking about it, one thing I did like is how
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Thor has evolved as a character over the three movies--he starts off as a spoiled brat in the first, and though he keeps the brashness and love of a fight, he's learned restraint and leadership, and grown into a worthy heir to Odin. As he points out, he's moved on while Loki was still stuck in the same chronic backstabber / daddy issues rut.
Yeah, spoiler tags because this is pretty big info....the deaths of the Warriors Three happened way too quickly. Two of them barely got a lick in when Hela got home. That's my main disappointment
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Its one of those things meant to further establish how much of a threat Hela is. The 'lovable' sidekicks are easily dispatched rather than being able to put up any sort of fight, but hey at least Hogun actually got to do something for once. Oh and I guess Sif was somewhere else? I didn't really note her absence while watching the film, but afterwards I was like "Hey wait..."
Also, Skurge was rather under used, I would have like more of him. I was pleased they atleast paid homage to the Gjallerbru scene.
I thought it was great. Definitively one of top might be top 3. With cap 2 and civil war and gotg being the only ones that come out ahead if they do at all. It's basically a 3-4 way tie for favorite marvel film.
Because up till then, he's won. He's triumphed over the father he wanted to prove himself to, and has become ruler of Asgard with nobody any the wiser. And then....well, looks like he didn't really have a plan for once he'd accomplished all that.
He's kinda a big part of the whole Ragnarok thing...
Overall review: It was pretty good, Tessa Thompson was very good but it's been way, way, way overhyped.
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Yeah, the whole Warriors 3 thing was rubbish. It's like if a villain turned up in a Batman movie, then in 5 seconds, rounded up Robin, Gordon and Alfred then executed them.
Bruce then doesn't even notice they're dead, nor comment on them for he rest of the movie.
I don't understand why they couldn't have just joined with Heimdall's resistance and been the various people protecting the civilians at the end.
I do agree that some of the humour didn't land right. - A lot of it did though. The worst one though was near the end when Asgard is destroyed and we have that stupid 'foundations' joke. Asgard has been one of the most gorgeously designed locations in the Marvel universe. Maybe, for me at least, one of the top locations in film and tv (as a sidenote, Minas Tirith is number 1). Its destruction should have been a tragic, dramatic moment... The destruction of an ancient civilisation and so on...
Saw the movie last night. Enjoyed it, but felt they went a little overboard with the humor. Kinda felt like they overcompensated for how serious The Dark World was. I found myself really wanting to know more about Hela, the brief snippets of her background were interesting but not enough to really flesh her out. Certain scenes in the beginning could have been a little longer, some important stuff happens that feels a little rushed. Solid movie, enjoyed it a lot more than either Homecoming or Guardians 2.
There's no way Loki wouldn't have grabbed the tesseract on the way out of the room. Naturally Thanos was looking for it. I imagine he probably kidnaps Loki with it, then leaves.
AduroT wrote: How did it have anything to do with that?
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The entire principle behind FemThor is 'whoever wields Mjolnir IS THOR'. That's her entire claim to the name/title.
The entire growth arc of Thor in this film is 'The hammer was just a prop, a focus. Thor Odinson IS THOR, GOD OF THUNDER.'
Imagine being the comic book store owner who has to explain to the new would be Thor fan- who has just seen this film- why Thor isn't Thor because he lost his hammer. And she is Thor because she now has it. The two narratives are entirely contradictory regarding the importance of the hammer to the identity of God of Thunder.
Imagine having to explain to that fan why in the comic book the gladiators were hardcore badarses who helped Hulk conquer a world, where in the movie they were a group of dim witted comic relief characters. It’s almost like they don’t tell the same stories.
AduroT wrote: Imagine having to explain to that fan why in the comic book the gladiators were hardcore badarses who helped Hulk conquer a world, where in the movie they were a group of dim witted comic relief characters. It’s almost like they don’t tell the same stories.
Yeah, it's odd the things they changed. The World War Hulk ones were notable, but much more so, the destruction of Mjolnir. I think the comic really strongly established that Thor is both a person (Thor Odinson), and an office (Thor), with the latter being selected by those who are worthy to wield Mjolnir. Usually but not always these were the same person. At no point was this confusing and it's a little disappointing that they dropped this in the MCU.
I have no problem with retconning stuff when it keeps a franchise from going forward in a smart way, but changing this just seems....odd; throwing away 55 year old canon for what is essentially a minor plot point in a (in the scheme of things) minor movie.
AduroT wrote: Imagine having to explain to that fan why in the comic book the gladiators were hardcore badarses who helped Hulk conquer a world, where in the movie they were a group of dim witted comic relief characters. It’s almost like they don’t tell the same stories.
Yeah, it's odd the things they changed. The World War Hulk ones were notable, but much more so, the destruction of Mjolnir. I think the comic really strongly established that Thor is both a person (Thor Odinson), and an office (Thor), with the latter being selected by those who are worthy to wield Mjolnir. Usually but not always these were the same person. At no point was this confusing and it's a little disappointing that they dropped this in the MCU.
I have no problem with retconning stuff when it keeps a franchise from going forward in a smart way, but changing this just seems....odd; throwing away 55 year old canon for what is essentially a minor plot point in a (in the scheme of things) minor movie.
I don;t read Iron Man comics but I understand that Tony and Pepper are not an item in them whereas in the films its a major plot point - a good one imo.
Again not a Thor Comic reader but doesn't Thor have an complete alter ego in the comics - Film nope.
Destroying Mjolnir was a great way of showing Hela as kick ass both in unvierse and to the viewers. I guess the question is would having Thor as an "office" of the gods add anything to the narrative - espeically the only other "office" holders seem to be Loki (trickster) and Hala (death). They are very much space aliens playing at being gods so it does work either way.
Mr Morden wrote: Destroying Mjolnir was a great way of showing Hela as kick ass both in unvierse and to the viewers. I guess the question is would having Thor as an "office" of the gods add anything to the narrative - espeically the only other "office" holders seem to be Loki (trickster) and Hala (death). They are very much space aliens playing at being gods so it does work either way.
I think you could have shown how dire of a thread Hela was in other ways., such as
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killing the warriors 3 in a better way
- which is something that could have used some work. Still I can't dispute her destroying Mjolnir did really drive home how powerful she was and I guess if she hadn't, it would have been more difficult to visualize Thor's
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ultimate inability to defeat her with physical power.
You have a good point that having Thor as an office doesn't really add anything useful to the MCU as it is, but in the long term, having the option to have someone else be able to assume the office might have been handy. Still, the place where they wrecked that in retrospect wasn't actually this movie - it was Age of Ultron, when The Vision did not gain the power of Thor. So, nevermind I guess
I'm not a fan of Goldbloom, but I did enjoy his smarmy character.
As a related note to the MCU as a whole, I saw Antman for the first time night. Meh. I can check that box now, at least. Still haven't seen Iron Man 3.
He very briefly went by the name, rather the name was used by the Doctors to get him out of SHIELD custody, of Donald Blake. But only the once and it was never mentioned again.
I can honestly say I've never sat through a film that felt so much like playing through a videogame before, and not in a bad way. Easily the best Thor film and honestly, one of the best screenpalys in the MCU. Wonderful acting throughout and just a lot of raw, fist pumping joy beginning to end.
The editing has some oddities though. This often takes the form of of some "fart in the elevator" kind of jokes that probably should have been cut. They're going to be the main point of criticism for the film, even if they're more of a distraction than a real problem. There are other notable editing issues through the film including some bits of action that don't follow as if an important transition got cut and the like, but they are overall rare compared to the spectacular choreography throughout.
Also, man is this movie not afraid to dive in with both arms and go deep into the MCU continuity. In some ways, this is the opposite of what fans were disappointed with in Age of Ultron, which was clearly designed to stand alone in a sort of "trickle down" continuity system. Here we have a film that pulls from at least 5 other films pretty significantly and takes a lot of its world building from at least 2 more. I've always loved Marvel's cosmic stuff, and its fantastic to see them really let loose with that here.
AduroT wrote: Imagine having to explain to that fan why in the comic book the gladiators were hardcore badarses who helped Hulk conquer a world, where in the movie they were a group of dim witted comic relief characters. It’s almost like they don’t tell the same stories.
Yeah, it's odd the things they changed. The World War Hulk ones were notable, but much more so, the destruction of Mjolnir. I think the comic really strongly established that Thor is both a person (Thor Odinson), and an office (Thor), with the latter being selected by those who are worthy to wield Mjolnir. Usually but not always these were the same person. At no point was this confusing and it's a little disappointing that they dropped this in the MCU.
I have no problem with retconning stuff when it keeps a franchise from going forward in a smart way, but changing this just seems....odd; throwing away 55 year old canon for what is essentially a minor plot point in a (in the scheme of things) minor movie.
That's because MCU Thor is based more on Ultimate Thor, where he is literally is the God of Thunder and has no alter ego (though how and where he gains his power has changed in the Ultimate Universe).
AduroT wrote: Imagine having to explain to that fan why in the comic book the gladiators were hardcore badarses who helped Hulk conquer a world, where in the movie they were a group of dim witted comic relief characters. It’s almost like they don’t tell the same stories.
Yeah, it's odd the things they changed. The World War Hulk ones were notable, but much more so, the destruction of Mjolnir. I think the comic really strongly established that Thor is both a person (Thor Odinson), and an office (Thor), with the latter being selected by those who are worthy to wield Mjolnir. Usually but not always these were the same person. At no point was this confusing and it's a little disappointing that they dropped this in the MCU.
I have no problem with retconning stuff when it keeps a franchise from going forward in a smart way, but changing this just seems....odd; throwing away 55 year old canon for what is essentially a minor plot point in a (in the scheme of things) minor movie.
For years the comic very blatantly put forth that Mjolnir was Odin's efforts to reduce Thor's power and meant to teach him humility. This isn't a retcon, it is actually going back to the original premise for Mjolnir/Thor. Thor isn't an office, it's his name.
I believe it is during the Eternal's Saga that they bring up the multiple 'lives' Odin has made Thor live through (including one in which he is romantically involved with a Valkyrie), and how he essentially channels Thor's power into Mjolnir to prevent him from becoming too powerful.
He's flown, wielded the lightning, and all the rest without the hammer many times. This movie was chock a block full of references to old cannon.
clearly exists in the MCU since you see his head on the coliseum or whatever it is.
Beta Ray was never Thor. Wielded the power, yes, but never Thor. Donald Blake was, at one point revealed to be Thor with his memories and powers stripped from him.
Saw it, really enjoyed it, but it's no great work of art. Some of the jokes are awful and break all tension. Thor's interactions with Bruce Banner completely fail to build the buddy-buddy-adventure, and the deliberate jokes regarding the difference between Bruce and Hulk are terribly forced (though the rest of the audience laughed the whole way through, so what do I know). There is no chemistry there and it's a relief when the green guy comes back.
Bruce bouncing on the bridge destroyed the tension and heroism of the scene. The opening scene dangling on the chain was like something from a cheap sketch show. The friggin shake weight! Lots of little things that didn't work and were too much.
Other things worked beautifully. The ball bouncing off the window, Hulk laughing as Thor gets zapped, Loki's face during the whole of the arena scene. The selfy! All wonderfully light hearted, funny and natural feeling. Nothing forced.
Another misstep (the biggest in the movie?) was Skurge. Nothing in particular, just his whole presence in the film. Every single bit of it. You can rewrite the whole film without him in it and it doesn't change a thing, you wouldn't notice his absence. He did nothing. There was one opportunity in the film to do something with his character, to make him do something that would be truly worthy of redemption and actually feel like he is involved in the events going on around him. Instead they chickened out and he did nothing, and he is confined to spend the whole movie as nothing more than an excuse for other characters' exposition. The conclusion to his story has no pay off as he has spent his time being guileless comic relief who we can brush aside.
Also got to agree with LunarSol. This film used Dr Strange, Hulk, Thor, jokes about the Avengers, the Tesseract, the Infinity Gauntlet. The director was smart enough to know you either already get this stuff or that you don't really need to understand it all to enjoy the movie. There wasn't an over abundance of repeating stuff we already know to slow the story down.
Overall a really enjoyable film. Not GotG good, never going to be a classic, but very good.
Overall a really enjoyable film. Not GotG good, never going to be a classic, but very good.
Avengers, GotG, Winter Soldier, Iron Man
That's probably the list of MCU classics. This movie isn't to that level, IMO, but its very competitive in that 5th slot with other "fun favorites". It's definitely an odd one to rank, because its simultaneously easy to criticize and extremely fun and watchable. I felt more rejuvenated watching this than I did since... well, probably Guardians. I really, really wish the duds had been cleaned up in editting, because if they had been, I can easily see this movie filling that 5th slot in my top 5. And ultimately, that's the oddity of the film. I adore it, but if you ask for my criticisms, I can probably come up with a pretty lengthy list.
I liked all three - more than say Guardians - which I enjoyed as a MCU film but don't see all the fuss about it. For me the whole Tony/Pepper dynamic is so good - rather than say the one in Guardians - which is a bit meh.
This movie isn't to that level, IMO, but its very competitive in that 5th slot with other "fun favorites". It's definitely an odd one to rank, because its simultaneously easy to criticize and extremely fun and watchable. I felt more rejuvenated watching this than I did since... well, probably Guardians. I really, really wish the duds had been cleaned up in editting, because if they had been, I can easily see this movie filling that 5th slot in my top 5. And ultimately, that's the oddity of the film. I adore it, but if you ask for my criticisms, I can probably come up with a pretty lengthy list.
Mostly agree - there are some pacing issues and it does kinda jumps from scene to scene but most of the time its so much fun you let it go. Must admit the only time I was worried was at the very start with the rotating chain stuff - thought that was not great and went on to long but it got going after that.
Thor: Ragnarok- Guardians of the Galaxy 3: No Guardians of the Galaxy this time!
Despite my snark, the movie was fun enough to watch, but it was nothing great. Hela was really fun and Cate Blanchett plays it up well. Grandmaster is a hoot, but Jeff Goldblum can always ham it up. Skrouge and Loki are a bit wasted.
This movie is full of jokes. Depsite that, the theatre I was in almost never laughed. It was wierd.
Finally, this is the most "Metal" of all the Marvel movies! There were a few shots that looked like they came right off the cover of an Amon Amarath album. The director also really understands that this is a movie informed by drawn artwork and has some really striking almost frozen shots that look like they could have been ripped staright from a frame.
Easy E wrote: Thor: Ragnarok- Guardians of the Galaxy 3: No Guardians of the Galaxy this time!
Too..easy?
You're better than that!
Despite my snark, the movie was fun enough to watch, but it was nothing great. Hela was really fun and Cate Blanchett plays it up well. Grandmaster is a hoot, but Jeff Goldblum can always ham it up. Skrouge and Loki are a bit wasted.
Agree, except on the Loki part - I thought he was great in this movie, and of course him swiping the [spoiler] is going to be a big point going forward too.
This movie is full of jokes. Depsite that, the theatre I was in almost never laughed. It was wierd.
MUst have been your crowd - lots of laughing at the showing I was at.
Finally, this is the most "Metal" of all the Marvel movies! There were a few shots that looked like they came right off the cover of an Amon Amarath album. The director also really understands that this is a movie informed by drawn artwork and has some really striking almost frozen shots that look like they could have been ripped staright from a frame.
True dat!
I would recommend people rent it.
Disagree - see it in theaters! You'll enjoy it a lot more that way.
Just maybe not with the dead crowd the Easy E was with...
So I read a theory that the "Eternal flame" that Hela used to resurrect all the Asgard warriors and later Loki used to wake up that big fire Daemon guy might actually be the last Infinity stone: the Soul stone.
It would be 'efficient' if Loki swiped it and the Tesseract prior to Asgard being destroyed. If the ship in the mid-credit scene is Thanos, than he'll acquire 2 Infinity stones off the bat for Infinity war.
Galef wrote: So I read a theory that the "Eternal flame" that Hela used to resurrect all the Asgard warriors and later Loki used to wake up that big fire Daemon guy might actually be the last Infinity stone: the Soul stone.
Kind of up to future stories, but I assume so. The bigger question is:
Spoiler:
The idea is that Hela is invincible as long as she has Asgard to draw power from, which is why Ragnarok likely kills her. Thor's power also comes from Asgard though, so, does he still have powers or is he just a normal Asguardian now?
Funny enough, this one be the second time this year we had a character gain godlike power from a planet and then destroy the planet if so.
LunarSol wrote: Kind of up to future stories, but I assume so. The bigger question is:
Spoiler:
The idea is that Hela is invincible as long as she has Asgard to draw power from, which is why Ragnarok likely kills her. Thor's power also comes from Asgard though, so, does he still have powers or is he just a normal Asguardian now?
Funny enough, this one be the second time this year we had a character gain godlike power from a planet and then destroy the planet if so.
I think you missed a point that was hammered home pretty often throughout the movie:
LunarSol wrote: Kind of up to future stories, but I assume so. The bigger question is:
Spoiler:
The idea is that Hela is invincible as long as she has Asgard to draw power from, which is why Ragnarok likely kills her. Thor's power also comes from Asgard though, so, does he still have powers or is he just a normal Asguardian now?
Funny enough, this one be the second time this year we had a character gain godlike power from a planet and then destroy the planet if so.
I think you missed a point that was hammered home pretty often throughout the movie:
Asgard isn't a place, it's a people.
Every time an Asgardian rings a bell, Thor gains 1.21 gigawatts of power.
LunarSol wrote: Kind of up to future stories, but I assume so. The bigger question is:
Spoiler:
The idea is that Hela is invincible as long as she has Asgard to draw power from, which is why Ragnarok likely kills her. Thor's power also comes from Asgard though, so, does he still have powers or is he just a normal Asguardian now?
Funny enough, this one be the second time this year we had a character gain godlike power from a planet and then destroy the planet if so.
I think you missed a point that was hammered home pretty often throughout the movie:
Asgard isn't a place, it's a people.
I didn't miss the point, its just that the movie acts like that doesn't apply to Hela.
If Hela dies, doesn't she just go back to her realm? And presumably she can leave her realm, since... she's already done so. Right?
She doesn't have one the same way she does in the comics from what I can tell. It's presented as more of a prison dimension or something to that effect in the movie, so there's no real rules for how it would work.
Well, when Hela first appears she come sin a whirl of greenish black stuff. When she is (spoiler?)defeated she disappears in a greenish puff (spoiler?)
Conclusion: Since this is a Comic Book Movie, no one is really ever dead.
On another noter, the Warrior 3 and Lady Sif? We know what happens tot he 3, but where was Lady Sif? Did I simply miss her in the movie?
Lady Sif was only mentioned in Loki's play. That was it.
Regarding Hela, my hope is that she not only can return, but that she fills the "Lady Death" role in the MCU in regards to Thanos.
I also hope we get the return of Red Skull, who was only "destroyed" in Capt American by the Tesseract, but like 2 movies later we see that it was actually a portal instead. So is he dead or just teleported somewhere else? Like in space and joins up with Thanos.
The MCU is in dire need of some repeat villians other than Loki. Hela and Red skull could work well with Thanos.
I don’t think she’s dead, just defeated. Remember, her power was linked to Asgard - that’s why nobody could properly chin her. With Asgard gone, she’s partially depowered.....but still Asgardian all the same.
LunarSol wrote: I didn't miss the point, its just that the movie acts like that doesn't apply to Hela.
Based on what, exactly?
Thor is told that Hela gains power from Asgard but Thor thinks he needs Mjolnir to gain his power but then ghost-Odin tells him that he doesn't need the hammer and just like Hela, he gains his power from Asgard. And oh yeah, Asgard is a people, not a place.
Surtur destroys Asgard the place while seemingly defeating Hela. I don't think there's a chance in hell that she was outright killed during Ragnarok and I'm willing to bet she's going to pal around with Thanos at some point.
I don’t think she’s dead, just defeated. Remember, her power was linked to Asgard - that’s why nobody could properly chin her. With Asgard gone, she’s partially depowered.....but still Asgardian all the same.
Spoiler:
And with Asgard being a people, not a place, Hela can still draw her power for "Asgard".
Galef wrote: Lady Sif was only mentioned in Loki's play. That was it.
Regarding Hela, my hope is that she not only can return, but that she fills the "Lady Death" role in the MCU in regards to Thanos.
I also hope we get the return of Red Skull, who was only "destroyed" in Capt American by the Tesseract, but like 2 movies later we see that it was actually a portal instead. So is he dead or just teleported somewhere else? Like in space and joins up with Thanos.
The MCU is in dire need of some repeat villians other than Loki. Hela and Red skull could work well with Thanos.
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I assume they warped out Red Skull as a potential audible villain for the Avengers movie in the event that Loki didn't pan out.
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: Thor is told that Hela gains power from Asgard but Thor thinks he needs Mjolnir to gain his power but then ghost-Odin tells him that he doesn't need the hammer and just like Hela, he gains his power from Asgard. And oh yeah, Asgard is a people, not a place.
Is Thor powered by faith? In other words, if Midgard were to worship him as God of Thunder, would he have more power?
Sif wasn't in this film because the actress couldn't make it. In-universe, she was banished by Loki for ... some reason. So she could be back in future films, or Agents of Shield or whatever.
I saw the movie last weekend, and I loved it! Good mix of grimdark and comedy and all-around fun. Cate Blanchett manages to be absolutely divine despite being horribly evil, and the stuff between Thor and the Hulk was well played too.
Spoiler:
I'm wondering how this will all tie in to Infinity War. We saw that ship come in at the end, so is that Thanos? On another note, I'm really sad that they killed off the Warriors Three. I enjoyed those characters in the first two Thor movies.
ZergSmasher wrote: I saw the movie last weekend, and I loved it! Good mix of grimdark and comedy and all-around fun. Cate Blanchett manages to be absolutely divine despite being horribly evil, and the stuff between Thor and the Hulk was well played too.
Spoiler:
I'm wondering how this will all tie in to Infinity War. We saw that ship come in at the end, so is that Thanos? On another note, I'm really sad that they killed off the Warriors Three. I enjoyed those characters in the first two Thor movies.
Spoiler:
Just remember, this is a comic book movie. No one ever really dies. They can always be brought back using some space, wizardy, techno-mumbo jumbo. It is a bit like Soap Operas that way. If the story needs them, they will return.
Sad to see the Warriors Three die, was disappointed two went out like chumps. Scourge...was pointless. He brought nothing to the table. I kept waiting for him to do something truly awful...and kept waiting.
Beyond that, movie was epically entertaining. Laughed my ass off at Loki in the arena seeing Hulk: “...I have to get off this planet!”
I liked Skurge. He was never really on board with the evil lady bit, he just recognized that attacking her would lead to his immediate death. He never really helped her either though. He was probably going to execute the one lady, but looked like he really didn’t want to and was clearly hesitating. When it really came down to it, he did fight to defend the escaping civilians.
Also he served as an important expositinal sounding board for Hela to narrate to.
AduroT wrote: I liked Skurge. He was never really on board with the evil lady bit, he just recognized that attacking her would lead to his immediate death. He never really helped her either though. He was probably going to execute the one lady, but looked like he really didn’t want to and was clearly hesitating. When it really came down to it, he did fight to defend the escaping civilians.
Also he served as an important expositinal sounding board for Hela to narrate to.
Yeah, that's my take on him.
I would not have a drink with the guy, but at least he found his stones in the end.
Spoiler:
The part where he was showing off to the two lady's and then they were covered in Giant Lizard (Salamander?) gore was fething funny.
AegisGrimm wrote: Yeah, Scourge was a waste of Karl Urban. And also, how the hell did a pair of M-16's have any effect in that battle?
Yeah I gave it a pass as it was a fun film but that was a bit stupid given the powers of even your most average Asgardian - (see Agents of Shield) - I think they just went with - yeah their are civilians and forgot or didn't need them to be all basically super powered.
I suppose the dead could have been much weaker, being dead, but then the civilian Asgardians should have smashed them with ease.
I've heard a few people discuss the idea that Scourge and Hela might have been a bit more engaging if a portion of the Asgard were on board with Hela's ideas of conquest.
Mr Nobody wrote: I've heard a few people discuss the idea that Scourge and Hela might have been a bit more engaging if a portion of the Asgard were on board with Hela's ideas of conquest.
Probably - I imagine some would have gone along with her - no dictator ever surives alone. Then again they were not really going for seriousness
