Talking of Primaris Space Marines, adding these enhanced warriors to your Chapter (Blood Angels, Dark Angels or otherwise) is about to get a lot easier thanks to some new Easy to Build kits. If you’re a fan of flamers (and who isn’t?), the Easy to Build Primaris Aggressors are for you, while the 12 piece – that’s right, only 12 – Redemptor Dreadnought allows you to get some heavy armour on the tabletop in no time.
And for the filthy heretics:
Grandfather Nurgle will be providing for his children this Christmas as well. Isn’t he generous? New Easy to Build reinforcements are on the way for the Death Guard – and yes, the Myphitic Blight-hauler is among them! This little guy possesses the same grotesque, whimsical charm as the rest of Nurgle’s children, combined with some terrifying firepower. It will be joined by a boxed set featuring three new Blightlord Terminators and a new Lord of Contagion wielding a manreaper – perfect for adding some disgusting diversity to the elite of your Death Guard army.
All these kits cost less than their fully customisable alternatives, meaning they’re a great way to build an army on a budget, too.
I feel chances aren't that bad it could turn out to be correct
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Howdy Guys and Girls
New easy to build kits on the way - including two missing options from the Death Guard Codex.
via Kobrakei, B&C
"At my local GW today and they received a next steps panflet for people who have just bought Dark Imperium. It had the usual such as Mortarion and Primaris characters, but it also had some new Easy To Build kits, consisting of the following
Redemptor Dread
Aggressors
Lord Felthid and the Court of something something
Plague Hauler
The pics were only of the box artwork so couldn't see the exact content or models and there were no prices, but the Lord Felthid box was of a Lord in Cataphract armour with a Manreaper, and three Plague Marines around him."
Regards,
Lady Atia
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I have no idea if this is reliable info, but I heard similiar rumors several times in the last weeks and think there may be more to it
Kobrakei - B&C forum
At my local GW today and they received a next steps panflet for people who have just bought Dark Imperium. It had the usual such as Mortarion and Primaris characters, but it also had some new Easy To Build kits, consisting of the following
Redemptor Dread
Aggressors
Lord Felthid and the Court of something something
Plague Hauler
The pics were only of the box artwork so couldn't see the exact content or models and there were no prices, but the Lord Felthid box was of a Lord in Cataphract armour with a Manreaper, and three Plague Marines around him. Being a smarty pants I didn't get a pic, and there was no details of when they will be released, but at least the Blight Hauler is on the way!
I really hope they do! Easy-build kits seem to help bring new blood into the genre. Gotta get extra gits for da boss! As long as they continue to have "Advanced" kits then I am a happy camper.
Easy to Build Plague Hauler... that explains with it has 0 options with how easy it could have been to give them more options in a proper multi part kit.
Lord Felthid and the court proably will be the Lord of Contagion of Dark Imperium plus the three plague marines from the Plague Brethren. But... easy to build Redemptor Dread? Thats surprising. If it has a good load out and a good price I'll pick one up, probably.
I really like this. A variety of cheaper and monopose kits for noobies or just to increase the size of your army, or the proper multipose kits.
Galas wrote: Easy to Build Plague Hauler... that explains with it has 0 options with how easy it could have been to give them more options in a proper multi part kit.
Lord Felthid and the court proably will be the Lord of Contagion of Dark Imperium plus the three plague marines from the Plague Brethren. But... easy to build Redemptor Dread? Thats surprising. If it has a good load out and a good price I'll pick one up, probably.
I really like this. A variety of cheaper and monopose kits for noobies or just to increase the size of your army, or the proper multipose kits.
The Plague Brethren Boys are not Easy Build, so hopefully it will be three new sculpts. Finally seeing the Hauler is great, but it's weird that they'd do a second kit for things like the Redemptor and Aggressors.
Galas wrote: Easy to Build Plague Hauler... that explains with it has 0 options with how easy it could have been to give them more options in a proper multi part kit.
Lord Felthid and the court proably will be the Lord of Contagion of Dark Imperium plus the three plague marines from the Plague Brethren. But... easy to build Redemptor Dread? Thats surprising. If it has a good load out and a good price I'll pick one up, probably.
I really like this. A variety of cheaper and monopose kits for noobies or just to increase the size of your army, or the proper multipose kits.
Given these are all larger models it will be interesting to see what the price point is like compared to the regular kits. I could be tempted by the Redemptor if the finished model looks good enough. Still the Blight hauler is going to be a big mover I hope that GW have stocked up
The Redemptor sounds unrealistic (and if I’m being totally honest, I’d be sorta jacked about it too, having bought the full kit on release) and Aggressors don’t really make much sense either, considering the full kit is only 3 models. Apply much skepticism here
It all depends on the options available and how many will be in the box, all the other easy-to-build sets provide less than the minimal required amount of models. For all we know it could be a single Aggressor in there armed with flamers (bot bad).
I feel chances aren't that bad it could turn out to be correct
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Howdy Guys and Girls
New easy to build kits on the way - including two missing options from the Death Guard Codex.
via Kobrakei, B&C
"At my local GW today and they received a next steps panflet for people who have just bought Dark Imperium. It had the usual such as Mortarion and Primaris characters, but it also had some new Easy To Build kits, consisting of the following
Redemptor Dread
Aggressors
Lord Felthid and the Court of something something
Plague Hauler
The pics were only of the box artwork so couldn't see the exact content or models and there were no prices, but the Lord Felthid box was of a Lord in Cataphract armour with a Manreaper, and three Plague Marines around him."
Captain Joystick wrote: Very skeptical on the redemptor dread, seeing as it only really has potential to eat into the sales of an existing (and brand new) kit.
Seems more likely to me the guy reading the pamphlet misunderstood.
It's also a kit that might intimidate someone who is comfortable doing things via the easy to build route of Know No Fear and First Strike.
lord_blackfang wrote: Nobody thought a regular Dread or Contemptor could be made easy-build, but there they are.
I'm not aware of any easy-build regular dreadnought. The AoBR one was engineered different and kind of basic compared to the regular retail kit.
The Contemptor isn't really 'easy' either, it's just embarrassingly basic in order to make it fit on one sprue.
The easy build regular Dreadnought is the AoBR one. It's sold in the "Battle for Vedros" range that only independents and non-hobby shops can stock apparently.
I hope this is true. I'm hoping that Lord of Contagion's followers are two riflemen and a special weapon. Combine that set with the Easy Build Plague Marine box and the banner bearer and you have a nice little skirmish army. HQ and a full seven man team with an icon, champion, and special weapons. I could see them doing this.
Sgt. Cortez wrote: It would really suck if they included the Plague Brethren in there after selling them for that hilarious price. (Yeah... I bought them).
Pic shows a blight launcher so I assume it'll be standard etb plague marines plus character.
The redemptor is a strange choice. One of the key selling points of that kit is how customisable and posable it is.
Overall though I am happy to see these kits as they will probably be cheaper and the shadespire kits have shown what gw is capable of doing with push fit minis these days.
Depending of the price, one box of ... everything, I'll buy for sure. I love the easy to build, they offer a variety in posses for a very cheap price. I always buy one of each.
Very curious how they'll do this - though it explains the Plaguehauler or whatever.
Lord Felthius is also interesting. This is definitely a new direction for GW. It will be confusing as all hell if the kits are close to the same options or cost. I also think they may be opening themselves up to third party stuff again (i.e. selling resin weapon options for a cheaper Redemptor?).
Well I'll grab the deathguard to add to my pile for sure
it could well be that they're testing the waters on price, do cheaper kits really sell better (cheaper, easier for new gamers and ones who don't enjoy the building)? do they sell less well? Do 3rd party bits showing up hurt sales? help sales?
focus groups and questions never really provide the answer only hints
this gives them real data on new ranges with little or no background noise from existing collections
Well, that's cool. Looks like I'll be able to build a full Plague Marine squad using only Easy Build guys after all. I'm down for another Redemptor, too. So, hopefully that and the Blight Hauler will have reasonable prices. I hope these are due for release soon.
Squinting at the pic, it looks like Felthius isn't wearing a helmet and one of his cohort does indeed have a special weapon. Looks like it might be a Plague Spewer. If so, I'l be very happy.
New easy to build kits on the way - including two missing options from the Death Guard Codex.
via Kobrakei, B&C
"At my local GW today and they received a next steps panflet for people who have just bought Dark Imperium. It had the usual such as Mortarion and Primaris characters, but it also had some new Easy To Build kits, consisting of the following
Redemptor Dread
Aggressors
Lord Felthid and the Court of something something
Plague Hauler
The pics were only of the box artwork so couldn't see the exact content or models and there were no prices, but the Lord Felthid box was of a Lord in Cataphract armour with a Manreaper, and three Plague Marines around him."
Regards,
Lady Atia
Edit: Updated post with the flyer, thanks @ Primalexile.
Chikout wrote: The redemptor is a strange choice. One of the key selling points of that kit is how customisable and posable it is. .
Assuming they're keeping both kits, it's an awesome choice. Those who want customisation will buy the full kit. This who want a model they can assemble in 5 minutes will buy the new one.
Chikout wrote: The redemptor is a strange choice. One of the key selling points of that kit is how customisable and posable it is. .
Assuming they're keeping both kits, it's an awesome choice. Those who want customisation will buy the full kit. This who want a model they can assemble in 5 minutes will buy the new one.
I think GW might be trying a new market, to see if easy to build sells better than standard kits. I think easy to build are a horrible way to go as it limits customization and creativity but I can see some mom looking at a kit and thinking lil Tommy should probably get a easy to build kit.
I'd assume easy to build kits are also cheaper to manufacture or that you can fit more stuff onto the same sized sprue. Why have 3 sprues for a kit full of options when you can have 2 sprues with all the options already fixed in place...
For me, a middle ground is the best option. I'm a modeler, and I love tinkering with kits... but for building armies, you want to be able to get them assembled as quickly and easily as possible, while still having options open.
So the best road, IMO, is keeping kits to as few parts as possible while having weapons and other important options interchangeable.
I don't see the problem with Easy to Build Kits as long as they are a option and not they don't stop producing normal kits to change over time to a more limited kits.
The Easy Builds are also a nice, cheaper option for people who don't want to shell out upwards of $50 for a troop box. Not everyone has a lot of disposable income.
insaniak wrote: For me, a middle ground is the best option. I'm a modeler, and I love tinkering with kits... but for building armies, you want to be able to get them assembled as quickly and easily as possible, while still having options open.
So the best road, IMO, is keeping kits to as few parts as possible while having weapons and other important options interchangeable.
Strongly disagree. When GW moved away from those awful old monopose models and began selling kits with actual genuine customisability not just in what weapon they're holding but pose and combinations of different parts it was brilliant. The only reason this is even an issue is GW have insisted on increasing the size of armies over the last 15 years to ludicrous and unwieldy levels - the game has already suffered by its transformation into 28mm Epic, letting the models suffer for it, the one thing GW have always been able to claim as a strength overall even when treating their fans like garbage, putting out awful rules, or releasing kits like the Centurions or Chibihawk, that would be actually mental.
If you don't like building loads of models, play smaller point value games and you don't have to.
Yeah. For building armies, you want to be able to get them painted as quickly and easily as possible, but I don't see many people claiming for "Prepainted" Warhammer miniatures.
Give me my expensive, ultra customizable kits. And make monopose and easy to build versions for people that just want to play, has less disposable income, or just don't like to build stuff as much as I do.
If they come two in a box... probably it will be at the same price point as the Redemptor, to be consistent. The rest of the Easy to Build all have the same price point (But they are all infantry)
The Redemptor is 40 pounds so we can expect the Easy to Build one to be cheaper. If it is 30 pounds and the box of Bligh Haulers comes with two for that price... that would be beautifull.
EDIT: I have checked the art and yeah. It has 0 relation with the contents of the box. So probably it will be only one Blight Hauler. But then it will need to be cheaper than the Redemptor.
Chikout wrote: The redemptor is a strange choice. One of the key selling points of that kit is how customisable and posable it is. .
Assuming they're keeping both kits, it's an awesome choice. Those who want customisation will buy the full kit. This who want a model they can assemble in 5 minutes will buy the new one.
I think GW might be trying a new market, to see if easy to build sells better than standard kits. I think easy to build are a horrible way to go as it limits customization and creativity but I can see some mom looking at a kit and thinking lil Tommy should probably get a easy to build kit.
I'd assume easy to build kits are also cheaper to manufacture or that you can fit more stuff onto the same sized sprue. Why have 3 sprues for a kit full of options when you can have 2 sprues with all the options already fixed in place...
Agreed. Hope it fails miserably as i hate etb kits
Captain Joystick wrote: I'm not aware of any easy-build regular dreadnought. The AoBR one was engineered different and kind of basic compared to the regular retail kit.
The Contemptor isn't really 'easy' either, it's just embarrassingly basic in order to make it fit on one sprue.
That's kinda the point. They are easy to build because they ARE basic. If it wasn't basic it wouldn't be easy to build. Albeit that results in less customizable but hey what you expect? They provide somehow easily posable customizable easy to build cheap version? What that would leave more expensive kit for then?-)
And good enough for few ones but after 2 box of calth I sure am looking for ideas how to get the contemptator from 3rd be LITTLE different pose wise! How many identical poses I can swallow?-) But due to price for getting MKIV bodies I still likely need another 2-3...
I like the easy to build kits for a number of reasons.
For starters, I all ready had more than a dozen armies over 3500 points (some well over). Getting another army up and running wasn't really a priority for me. The cheapness of an all Primaris army is what made me do it. Buy two starters, split with a friend that plays Deathguard.
I like variation in posing, but who says that one of those variants can't be a standard pose? If you have one Eazy Build, and one regular dread, they don't have to look the same.
Building an entire new army can be exhausting. Anything to easy the process is welcome.
I'm actually looking forward to both the Agressors and the Redemptor. I decided against them because of how much money they cost, deciding to go with a Contemptor and more HellBlasters. But with this, I can try them out and not feel too bad.
Naturally, the Aggressors are the variant I would never use (the Flamer variant), so that is a no go for me. The Redemptor might be interesting though.
Looks like the plague marine on felthius right is holding a plague sword doesnt it?
EDIT: No it doesnt its his man reaper lol!!!
Can anyone tell me the build of that redemptor? been eyeing one up for ages for my wolves but have been concentrating on building a workable deathguard force instead!!
Captain Joystick wrote: I'm not aware of any easy-build regular dreadnought. The AoBR one was engineered different and kind of basic compared to the regular retail kit.
The Contemptor isn't really 'easy' either, it's just embarrassingly basic in order to make it fit on one sprue.
That's kinda the point. They are easy to build because they ARE basic. If it wasn't basic it wouldn't be easy to build. Albeit that results in less customizable but hey what you expect? They provide somehow easily posable customizable easy to build cheap version? What that would leave more expensive kit for then?-)
And good enough for few ones but after 2 box of calth I sure am looking for ideas how to get the contemptator from 3rd be LITTLE different pose wise! How many identical poses I can swallow?-) But due to price for getting MKIV bodies I still likely need another 2-3...
The Contemptor from Calth is terrible. For a monopose, its decent, especially the arms, but the torso and especially the legs are just bad. I'm sad we got it rather than a proper multi-part plastic one.
Redemptor, we will have to see. It is a big, complicated kit compared to the Mk IV/V style dreads, and while I can see a few places they can simplify it for an easy build without making a lot of sacrifices, the only decent plastic dreadnought of the snapfit type is the helbrute from Dark Vengeance.
Will probably grab a set of aggressors or two depending on the price. Comparing the starter set Inceptors to the multi-part kit has me optimistic. The starter inceptors are pretty good at keeping most the detail, except for the gun shields.
MajorWesJanson wrote: The Contemptor from Calth is terrible. For a monopose, its decent, especially the arms, but the torso and especially the legs are just bad. I'm sad we got it rather than a proper multi-part plastic one.
Redemptor, we will have to see. It is a big, complicated kit compared to the Mk IV/V style dreads, and while I can see a few places they can simplify it for an easy build without making a lot of sacrifices, the only decent plastic dreadnought of the snapfit type is the helbrute from Dark Vengeance.
Will probably grab a set of aggressors or two depending on the price. Comparing the starter set Inceptors to the multi-part kit has me optimistic. The starter inceptors are pretty good at keeping most the detail, except for the gun shields.
I don't mind it too much as cheaper alternative for the beautifull legion specific ones but damn I wish it had some leg posability! I don't mind look per se but multiple identical poses=sucks. That's why I don't like current trend with mono-pose infantry GW is heavy on either.
The post is iffy (but fixable. Ball bearings in the hip joints. Seen it done, easy enough) true. But the real head scratcher is how the arms are set up. Doesn't lend itself to buying upgrade/alternate weapons from FW.
The plastic Contemptor is absolute garbage, but I'm personally convinced it is intentionally gak so that they don't tread too much on the toes of Forgeworld. If the plastic Contemptor was something equal to the Venerable Dreadnought kit (i..e nice, and lots of options) the big money maker for for Forgeworld would be undermined.
Personally I praise new easy-to-build kits, but I am curious - what if they're quite cheap but use horrible plastic? That would be an interesting/sad approach.
If they're good quality plastic, then the vehicles will be super easy to convert, so people can shut up about "hoping it fails miserably". Don't like it? Don't buy it. Or, buy it and show us your modeling skills. Who cares.
The post is iffy (but fixable. Ball bearings in the hip joints. Seen it done, easy enough) true. But the real head scratcher is how the arms are set up. Doesn't lend itself to buying upgrade/alternate weapons from FW.
Funnily enough it does and very easily, all you need to do is shave back some of the plastic and the FW weapons go straight onto the plastic shoulder, think i have a pic somewhere i will post it up.
Elbows wrote: The plastic Contemptor is absolute garbage, but I'm personally convinced it is intentionally gak so that they don't tread too much on the toes of Forgeworld. If the plastic Contemptor was something equal to the Venerable Dreadnought kit (i..e nice, and lots of options) the big money maker for for Forgeworld would be undermined.
Personally I praise new easy-to-build kits, but I am curious - what if they're quite cheap but use horrible plastic? That would be an interesting/sad approach.
If they're good quality plastic, then the vehicles will be super easy to convert, so people can shut up about "hoping it fails miserably". Don't like it? Don't buy it. Or, buy it and show us your modeling skills. Who cares.
I very much doubt we'll see lower quality plastic on these models. GW only did that for terrain kits so far, not on regular miniatures including easy to build kits.
It will be interesting to see the price point of the Primaris specifically. If they go the Contemptor route, that is laughable quality at a high price, I'd be seriously confused as to the point of the Redemptor.. I guess we'll see.
While I'm firmly in the "more options is a good thing" camp, I can certainly understand the concern that if GW figures out easy to build sets sell well, they may jump to the conclusion that people like easier and lower quality kits rather than that they're just looking for a price break when building large armies. The ideal still is that there are easy kits for people who for whatever reason don't care for the modeling side while at the same time modeler get the most out of multi-part kits. Would be a shame if GW cut down on options, as they have on occasion.
Elbows wrote: The plastic Contemptor is absolute garbage, but I'm personally convinced it is intentionally gak so that they don't tread too much on the toes of Forgeworld. If the plastic Contemptor was something equal to the Venerable Dreadnought kit (i..e nice, and lots of options) the big money maker for for Forgeworld would be undermined.
Personally I praise new easy-to-build kits, but I am curious - what if they're quite cheap but use horrible plastic? That would be an interesting/sad approach.
If they're good quality plastic, then the vehicles will be super easy to convert, so people can shut up about "hoping it fails miserably". Don't like it? Don't buy it. Or, buy it and show us your modeling skills. Who cares.
I very much doubt we'll see lower quality plastic on these models. GW only did that for terrain kits so far, not on regular miniatures including easy to build kits.
It will be interesting to see the price point of the Primaris specifically. If they go the Contemptor route, that is laughable quality at a high price, I'd be seriously confused as to the point of the Redemptor.. I guess we'll see.
While I'm firmly in the "more options is a good thing" camp, I can certainly understand the concern that if GW figures out easy to build sets sell well, they may jump to the conclusion that people like easier and lower quality kits rather than that they're just looking for a price break when building large armies. The ideal still is that there are easy kits for people who for whatever reason don't care for the modeling side while at the same time modeler get the most out of multi-part kits. Would be a shame if GW cut down on options, as they have on occasion.
Everyone who works for GW are hobbyists and the creative types even more so. I think it'll be fine.
Do we have any idea when these will be out or what the price will be? I've been holding off on getting a Redemptor Dreadnought because of the price. I care more about simply adding one to my army than I do having a multitude of pose and weapon options. I have years and years worth of bits and am confident I could convert up any number of alternate weapon options.
Elbows wrote: The plastic Contemptor is absolute garbage, but I'm personally convinced it is intentionally gak so that they don't tread too much on the toes of Forgeworld. If the plastic Contemptor was something equal to the Venerable Dreadnought kit (i..e nice, and lots of options) the big money maker for for Forgeworld would be undermined.
Personally I praise new easy-to-build kits, but I am curious - what if they're quite cheap but use horrible plastic? That would be an interesting/sad approach.
If they're good quality plastic, then the vehicles will be super easy to convert, so people can shut up about "hoping it fails miserably". Don't like it? Don't buy it. Or, buy it and show us your modeling skills. Who cares.
I very much doubt we'll see lower quality plastic on these models. GW only did that for terrain kits so far, not on regular miniatures including easy to build kits.
It will be interesting to see the price point of the Primaris specifically. If they go the Contemptor route, that is laughable quality at a high price, I'd be seriously confused as to the point of the Redemptor.. I guess we'll see.
While I'm firmly in the "more options is a good thing" camp, I can certainly understand the concern that if GW figures out easy to build sets sell well, they may jump to the conclusion that people like easier and lower quality kits rather than that they're just looking for a price break when building large armies. The ideal still is that there are easy kits for people who for whatever reason don't care for the modeling side while at the same time modeler get the most out of multi-part kits. Would be a shame if GW cut down on options, as they have on occasion.
Well, they are already cutting the options since there is no regular kit for the blight hauler
Elbows wrote: The plastic Contemptor is absolute garbage, but I'm personally convinced it is intentionally gak so that they don't tread too much on the toes of Forgeworld. If the plastic Contemptor was something equal to the Venerable Dreadnought kit (i..e nice, and lots of options) the big money maker for for Forgeworld would be undermined.
Personally I praise new easy-to-build kits, but I am curious - what if they're quite cheap but use horrible plastic? That would be an interesting/sad approach.
If they're good quality plastic, then the vehicles will be super easy to convert, so people can shut up about "hoping it fails miserably". Don't like it? Don't buy it. Or, buy it and show us your modeling skills. Who cares.
I very much doubt we'll see lower quality plastic on these models. GW only did that for terrain kits so far, not on regular miniatures including easy to build kits.
It will be interesting to see the price point of the Primaris specifically. If they go the Contemptor route, that is laughable quality at a high price, I'd be seriously confused as to the point of the Redemptor.. I guess we'll see.
While I'm firmly in the "more options is a good thing" camp, I can certainly understand the concern that if GW figures out easy to build sets sell well, they may jump to the conclusion that people like easier and lower quality kits rather than that they're just looking for a price break when building large armies. The ideal still is that there are easy kits for people who for whatever reason don't care for the modeling side while at the same time modeler get the most out of multi-part kits. Would be a shame if GW cut down on options, as they have on occasion.
Well, they are already cutting the options since there is no regular kit for the blight hauler
No question. There's no regular Chaos Marine Chosen or Cultists either. Or Deff Koptaz. Or the Sigmarine chaplain dude. None of which I'm happy about. But I'm giving GW the benefit of the doubt and think that's just GW being GW. I'm much more worried about the rise in monopose multi-part kits we've seen with Death Guard (and allegedly Primaris, too, but I didn't follow that release closely). Cutting down on options in what we would consider the full kit is just sad. But that may just be a problem with Death Guard being so fleshy that GW can't figure out a way to make things posable and get across that particular look at the same time.. Hopefully.
The coloured plastics tend to be marginally less good as the dyes used make the plastic that little bit softer
(it's easier to mess up your cutting/mould line removal with them, marginal but noticeable, although nowhere near the difference in quality with the contracted out terrain/bases)
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: The coloured plastics tend to be marginally less good as the dyes used make the plastic that little bit softer
(it's easier to mess up your cutting/mould line removal with them, marginal but noticeable, although nowhere near the difference in quality with the contracted out terrain/bases)
Virtually all GW (and other companies') plastic kits have colour added to the mix. The natural colour of HIPS is clear (as seen in flyer cockpits, flight stands, etc..). The normal grey is just as much a visually pleasing colour designed for marketing purposes / convenience (all those details and mini-bitz would be super annoying for assembly and painting if clear) as the red, green, blue, etc.. from Shadespire, Blood Bowl, etc..
Virtually all GW HIPS plastic kits have softener added to the mix independent of the colour (except possibly bases and the aforementioned clear parts, possibly because softener would not be clear), because it makes for a more user friendly product.
Elbows wrote: The plastic Contemptor is absolute garbage, but I'm personally convinced it is intentionally gak so that they don't tread too much on the toes of Forgeworld. If the plastic Contemptor was something equal to the Venerable Dreadnought kit (i..e nice, and lots of options) the big money maker for for Forgeworld would be undermined.
Personally I praise new easy-to-build kits, but I am curious - what if they're quite cheap but use horrible plastic? That would be an interesting/sad approach.
If they're good quality plastic, then the vehicles will be super easy to convert, so people can shut up about "hoping it fails miserably". Don't like it? Don't buy it. Or, buy it and show us your modeling skills. Who cares.
I very much doubt we'll see lower quality plastic on these models. GW only did that for terrain kits so far, not on regular miniatures including easy to build kits.
It will be interesting to see the price point of the Primaris specifically. If they go the Contemptor route, that is laughable quality at a high price, I'd be seriously confused as to the point of the Redemptor.. I guess we'll see.
While I'm firmly in the "more options is a good thing" camp, I can certainly understand the concern that if GW figures out easy to build sets sell well, they may jump to the conclusion that people like easier and lower quality kits rather than that they're just looking for a price break when building large armies. The ideal still is that there are easy kits for people who for whatever reason don't care for the modeling side while at the same time modeler get the most out of multi-part kits. Would be a shame if GW cut down on options, as they have on occasion.
Everyone who works for GW are hobbyists and the creative types even more so. I think it'll be fine.
Interesting, might pick up the ez2build aggressors if their poses are substantially different from the regular kit. I want a set of flamer aggressors and pose diversity would be good.
I stand corrected about the AoBR dreadnought. For some reason I thought it had a swivel waist and shin plates. My bad.
tneva82 wrote:
Captain Joystick wrote: I'm not aware of any easy-build regular dreadnought. The AoBR one was engineered different and kind of basic compared to the regular retail kit.
The Contemptor isn't really 'easy' either, it's just embarrassingly basic in order to make it fit on one sprue.
That's kinda the point. They are easy to build because they ARE basic. If it wasn't basic it wouldn't be easy to build. Albeit that results in less customizable but hey what you expect? They provide somehow easily posable customizable easy to build cheap version? What that would leave more expensive kit for then?-)
The 'easy to build' Contemptor is not a cheap kit by any measure. It is a full priced kit (imo a 125% priced kit) for half the quality of the product, meant specifically to target non-uk customers who balk at the cost of importing forgeworld.
lord_blackfang wrote:Oh, look, an easy to build Redemptor.
I'm interested in an EtB Redemptor. I've been eyeballing the full kit to add to my Dark Angels, and if this one has the weapon options I want I'll get one. I might get a full kit later that I'll magnetize to make it fully customizable, but this one will be a start if the price and weapons are right. And I'll certainly pick up a Blight Hauler for my Death Guard. Probably won't get more than one unless they fix the point cost or the kit is really cheap.
Captain Joystick wrote: I stand corrected about the AoBR dreadnought. For some reason I thought it had a swivel waist and shin plates. My bad.
tneva82 wrote:
Captain Joystick wrote: I'm not aware of any easy-build regular dreadnought. The AoBR one was engineered different and kind of basic compared to the regular retail kit.
The Contemptor isn't really 'easy' either, it's just embarrassingly basic in order to make it fit on one sprue.
That's kinda the point. They are easy to build because they ARE basic. If it wasn't basic it wouldn't be easy to build. Albeit that results in less customizable but hey what you expect? They provide somehow easily posable customizable easy to build cheap version? What that would leave more expensive kit for then?-)
The 'easy to build' Contemptor is not a cheap kit by any measure. It is a full priced kit (imo a 125% priced kit) for half the quality of the product, meant specifically to target non-uk customers who balk at the cost of importing forgeworld.
Well I always forget the price as I basically get paid for taking it. 3 squads of MKIV marines=90£, cataphractii=40£. Battle of calth=95£.
I always forget those are sold individually as I would have to be brain dead idiot to buy anything BUT calth or prospero since I'm always in need of more mk IV and III bodies I could throw HQ's and dreadnought into garbage bin and would still be better(at least HQ's I can convert to something though the wolf guy is bit of harder case)
Ratius wrote: Forgive my ignorance - what is easy to build?
Like snap fit?
Yep. You don't need glue to build them, they have 0 options and are normally divided a smaller number of parts.
Well... You do need glue. The parts are just in 3-4 different sections instead of a multi part kit.
All the Easy to Build Kits that have come out are snap-fit, they don't need glue. I don't know if this new one will be the same, because is a pretty big kit. But the Hell Brute from DV didn't needed glue either, so... who knows.
Ratius wrote: Forgive my ignorance - what is easy to build?
Like snap fit?
Yep. You don't need glue to build them, they have 0 options and are normally divided a smaller number of parts.
Well... You do need glue. The parts are just in 3-4 different sections instead of a multi part kit.
Glue is obviously better, but the officially labeled EZ Build boxes are sold as push-fit. That's why stuff like the Contemptor doesn't count, but the AoBR models kinda do.
Fair enough. I only remember using glue for my Know no Fear set, I imagine they would fall apart once dropped if you didn't glue, and gaps would form while painting.
It's best to always glue push-fit mini's "if" you want to paint them! I also glued the push-fit Shadespire mini's, which were also planned to be just easy to build mini's.
I quite like those easy to build mini's. It's a cheap way to paint something else or just paint a couple of mini's to see if you like the hobby feel of a potential new army.
Still it would be great that GW would release each couple of months an easy to build set for each army.
I am a big fan of the ETB kits. They are a great resource for the newer/younger Wargamer with a good modern pocket money based price point. We have seen this more recently from Gw with the smaller starter sets (First Strike, Know No Fear etc) and starter magazines with a "free" model as an entry point for those new to AOS/ 40k.
For the more experienced it is easy to make the kits go further with kitbash and conversions. As a Death Guard player the idea of potentially getting three Blight Haulers for £30 rather than the £25 each they would have probably been as true multi piece kits is a good one.
Talking of Primaris Space Marines, adding these enhanced warriors to your Chapter (Blood Angels, Dark Angels or otherwise) is about to get a lot easier thanks to some new Easy to Build kits. If you’re a fan of flamers (and who isn’t?), the Easy to Build Primaris Aggressors are for you, while the 12 piece – that’s right, only 12 – Redemptor Dreadnought allows you to get some heavy armour on the tabletop in no time.
And for the filthy heretics:
Grandfather Nurgle will be providing for his children this Christmas as well. Isn’t he generous? New Easy to Build reinforcements are on the way for the Death Guard – and yes, the Myphitic Blight-hauler is among them! This little guy possesses the same grotesque, whimsical charm as the rest of Nurgle’s children, combined with some terrifying firepower. It will be joined by a boxed set featuring three new Blightlord Terminators and a new Lord of Contagion wielding a manreaper – perfect for adding some disgusting diversity to the elite of your Death Guard army.
All these kits cost less than their fully customisable alternatives, meaning they’re a great way to build an army on a budget, too.
I've been away for a while and missed alot of the DG stuff.
I do however love this blight hauler.
Not seeing it on the site however so assuming this is a new model as it we're?
Jackal wrote: I've been away for a while and missed alot of the DG stuff.
I do however love this blight hauler.
Not seeing it on the site however so assuming this is a new model as it we're?
Initial speculation was that is a dual kit with the drone, but that didn't turn out true.
It's in the codex, but has no weapon options.
Damnit, that trollface head is *perfect* for a conversion I've been planning, but I have zero use for the rest of the kit and the easy build stuff almost never shows up on bitz sites
I'm liking these EtB kits. I'm totally the market for monopole stuff that isn't from the '90s. Also great fodder for RPGers. Hope to see more for other armies.
Nurgle dude looks like a Berserk villain--I approve.
I'm liking the etb Aggressors and Redemptor. I was already going to buy some aggressors and another Redemptor.
Now with them etb and therefor hopefully "cheaper", i can afford an additional squad and not eat into my forgeworld wants too much.
cuda1179 wrote: Hey, isn't the Dreadnought missing a missile launcher thingy on top?
It indeed is, which is weird since in the codex it is not optional...
Just like the minimum unit size for Blightlords is 4+Champion, the easy to build sets aren't always legal (like how if you add the 3-man Easy to build PM box to the DI Plague Marines you end up with 2 champions)
Just like the minimum unit size for Blightlords is 4+Champion, the easy to build sets aren't always legal (like how if you add the 3-man Easy to build PM box to the DI Plague Marines you end up with 2 champions)
It is quite a bit differnt for the unit composition not be legal than a whole model being illegal.
Though no doubt this will come a dataslate with this exact gear. But then you for example cannot switch the flamer, as that's not an option without also having the missile pod.
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Racerguy180 wrote: I'm liking the etb Aggressors and Redemptor. I was already going to buy some aggressors and another Redemptor.
Now with them etb and therefor hopefully "cheaper", i can afford an additional squad and not eat into my forgeworld wants too much.
The aggressors look nice, I just wish that they radically reduce the cost of the flamer variant in the Chapter Approved as they currently are just way worse than the bolter ones. I'm not sure the dread is salvageable, it come with bad gear and that undercut at the shoulder looks really dire.
Truthfully, I think some might be looking at this the wrong way with regards to "It's not legal!" on the Death Guard.
It's a new Lord of Contagion with Plaguereaper and three new Blightlord Terminators with static loadouts at $40.
He'd be $40 by himself going off of Typhus' price.
If you were to buy this set plus a box of Blightlord Terminators, you'd have some extra Blightlords you can swap in for specific loadouts. It opens up a bit more of the Blightlords box for you to build things how you want.
It also opens the door for an "Easy Build" Primaris Captain in Gravis Armor with a different pose and Easy Build Aggressors with the alternate build and a set of "Easy Build" Blightlords down the road.
Kanluwen wrote: Truthfully, I think some might be looking at this the wrong way with regards to "It's not legal!" on the Death Guard.
It's a new Lord of Contagion with Plaguereaper and three new Blightlord Terminators with static loadouts at $40.
He'd be $40 by himself going off of Typhus' price.
If you were to buy this set plus a box of Blightlord Terminators, you'd have some extra Blightlords you can swap in for specific loadouts. It opens up a bit more of the Blightlords box for you to build things how you want.
It also opens the door for an "Easy Build" Primaris Captain in Gravis Armor with a different pose and Easy Build Aggressors with the alternate build and a set of "Easy Build" Blightlords down the road.
You are totally right. They could have done the Primaris HQ's in Easy-to-Build-Format. We would have lose 0 customization, and they could have been cheaper.
I don't think they ever would have been cheaper, this is still modern GW we are discussing. If they were easy-build, they'd be the same price they are now. I'm actually shocked at what the current easy build kits are priced at, and after seeing the price of Lord FatVoldemort and his cohort, I can only imagine the Aggressors will be at least 30-35 bucks for the three. I'd be pleasantly shocked if they turn out to be less. Primaris dread will probably be at least the cost of the standard Astartes dread kit, judging by things like the Contemptor and it's asinine price.
AegisGrimm wrote: I don't think they ever would have been cheaper, this is still modern GW we are discussing. If they were easy-build, they'd be the same price they are now. I'm actually shocked at what the current easy build kits are priced at, and after seeing the price of Lord FatVoldemort and his cohort, I can only imagine the Aggressors will be at least 30-35 bucks for the three. I'd be pleasantly shocked if they turn out to be less. Primaris dread will probably be at least the cost of the standard Astartes dread kit, judging by things like the Contemptor and it's asinine price.
I'm expecting the Dread at $25 and Aggressors at $15(Stormcast are on 40mm bases and were left at $15 like the others) or $25(same price as the Blight Hauler)
You have plenty of spare onslaught cannons and primaris missile pods?
I have assault cannon bits and some sentinel missile launchers. If anyone complained that isn't WYSIWYG, then that isn't a person I'd want to play anyway
It also looks like they made a mistake when doing that easy to build deathguard Lord...he has the same base size as his terminator retinue...but Contagion Lords have bigger bases (like Typhus had)...so we all need to swap our Contagion bases or buy one bigger for that Lord in the box...
ShortyPreds wrote: It also looks like they made a mistake when doing that easy to build deathguard Lord...he has the same base size as his terminator retinue...but Contagion Lords have bigger bases (like Typhus had)...so we all need to swap our Contagion bases or buy one bigger for that Lord in the box...
Or do it like GW says and play it with the base it's supplied with.
The dread hauler is very neat. I also appreciate that while I don't necessarily like each and every new vehicle, they all have a very definitely aesthetic and it's refreshing that it's not just "spiky Primaris".
Lord Smiley Face is pretty bad but as HBMC noted looks like an easy head swap so no points off there.
I also like the Primaris flamethrower guys. To be honest my love for burning stuff might make these the first Primaris guys I buy.
I kind of like the Redemptor, but but I'm not sure, someone else can answer this: is it missing weapon options or somehow nerfed? I don't mean that it doesn't have every arm available, I mean that's obvious - I mean, I feel like the others ones I've seen had a missile launcher on top.
The Aggressors might be a very cheap way for me to convert some Obliterators (really wanna find a way to make those things without working with the old resin kit...), though it'd be my first conversion project and I dunno how workable it would be with the very fixed easy-to-build kit.
Ouze wrote: The dread hauler is very neat. I also appreciate that while I don't necessarily like each and every new vehicle, they all have a very definitely aesthetic and it's refreshing that it's not just "spiky Primaris".
Lord Smiley Face is pretty bad but as HBMC noted looks like an easy head swap so no points off there.
I also like the Primaris flamethrower guys. To be honest my love for burning stuff might make these the first Primaris guys I buy.
I kind of like the Redemptor, but but I'm not sure, someone else can answer this: is it missing weapon options or somehow nerfed? I don't mean that it doesn't have every arm available, I mean that's obvious - I mean, I feel like the others ones I've seen had a missile launcher on top.
Dread loadout is a heavy onslaught gatling cannon and a heavy flamer on its fist.
I don't think you get any other weapons options.
Perplexing that the ezy-2-bild Dread has such big gaps in the sprue, gaps that could'a been used for that grenade launcher thingy that it has on top in the main kit.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Perplexing that the ezy-2-bild Dread has such big gaps in the sprue, gaps that could'a been used for that grenade launcher thingy that it has on top in the main kit.
Considering that said missile launcher is not optional in the rules, it is very bizarre this kit doesn't seem to include it.
I mean this is cool.... but I'll still pay a bit more for full kits to have options. Great for people on a very limited budget, for for models you don't care much about options on
I might just stick the missile launcher from my Repulsor on top of the Dread since I won't probably use it on the Repulsor itself. I normally would prefer the onslaught cannon on the fist, but maybe I can make do with the flamer. I'll probably eventually get the proper kit anyways.
Zid wrote: I mean this is cool.... but I'll still pay a bit more for full kits to have options. Great for people on a very limited budget, for for models you don't care much about options on
For me, these are ideal to build a cheap core of an army to have prepared for my son. He's interested, just not quite ready to learn the game play itself. I can use these to have something ready for him by the time he feels like learning the game itself.
The Agressors won’t be any less posable than the full kit will they? I imagine the hoses on the guns keep the full ones pretty monopole anyway. It’s more the weapon options you’re missing. The Dread though, I’d probably just get the full kit. If I got the easy build one I’d have to cut it up a bit.
Just seen that the blight hauler is £15.
May be enough to make me want to build a death guard army and get back into 40klol.
Just to check first, is there a legal way of building a list featuring a high number of blight haulers and drones?
Want a fairly daemon engine heavy list.
Jackal wrote: Just seen that the blight hauler is £15.
May be enough to make me want to build a death guard army and get back into 40klol.
Just to check first, is there a legal way of building a list featuring a high number of blight haulers and drones?
Want a fairly daemon engine heavy list.
You can take the Outrider Detachment which lets you run up to 6 Fast Attack (which both the haulers and the drones are iirc) choices with one HQ. I'd recommend a Daemon Prince. Blight Haulers can and should be run in squads of 3 so you can fit a lot of them into a list if what you want to do is spam them.
