This is my Ordinators Space Marine Chapter. This has been a rather long project, just on 20 years. The first 10 or so years there were plenty of other armies and projects in between, the last 6 have more or less been devoted to the completion of the chapter.
My chapter consist on mainly infantry and dreadnoughts. At some point I would like to add tanks/transports/flyers, but space is currently a premium, and to me this is complete, though there will always be more marines.
The chapter consists of a 1st "Grand" company. It contains 300 terminators, and a "Specialists Division" of just under 200 Primaris Marines. 2nd - 9th Companies are battle companies. They contain 6 tactical squads(or Sternguard if you so choose), 2 vanguard veteran squads (allows for more customization) and 2 devastator squads, plus command. 3rd company (Green trim) has 1 sternguard squad instead of a vanguard squad. 5th company (Seafoam trim) has bike squads instead of vanguard vets. Each company tends to follow a theme: 2nd-Gold trim/flames/Salamanders, 3rd- Green trim/My original battle company, 4th Yellow trim/Black Templars, 5th Seafoam trim/Dark Angels, 6th Purple trim/Mk Iron Armour, 7th Orange trim/Blood Angels, 8th Grey trim/Space Wolves, 9th Blue trim/crusade/maximus armour. 10th Company is a scout company. The chapter runs loosely on the older version of marine chapter's composition.
Using the current codexes and rules, though not looking at faq adjustments the Chapter comes in at 55710pts for all companies as tactical marines or 57130 if you took all tactical as sternguard. I only mention the Sternguard as those models better represnt my fluff/lore of my chapter smithing/tinkering with there equipment. I usually play them as Salamanders, but also have the characters to take them as Ultramarines.
Is that three companies worth of Terminators I see?
Edit: ok and what's the story behind the blue guy in Company Green?
Yes that is 300 Terminators, or 3 companies. The chapter has had to scour the galaxy for relics. found a few extra suits along the way.
The blue guy? Well, along time ago there was a chapter approved article for "movie marines". I did a squad representing the characters from a Internet series called Red vs Blue, and used these rules. The blue guy is Caboose his shoulder is marked with -1 like. He is the only surviving model still in his colours.
They look awesome! And they all have their helmets on, no idiots going bare headed to battle. Do my poor eyes see different armor marks, like mk IV, there?
A project this large in scale would have inconceivable, but you somehow pulled it off. You could practically pull off a Vraks-scale game with an army like that!
Kudos! The models look amazing, and it’s really cool to see it all arranged like that. Must have taken quite a bit of effort.
Your chapter appears to have an insufficient motor pool - need more rhinos at a minimum, but some additional armored support wouldn't hurt either. You also lack orbital insertion capability, better acquire some additional Drop Pods, a squadron or twos worth of flyers wouldn't hurt either, nor would a couple Thunderhawks.
Shadow Walker wrote: They look awesome! And they all have their helmets on, no idiots going bare headed to battle. Do my poor eyes see different armor marks, like mk IV, there?
Yes, I tend not to like having marines without helmets, so where possible I tried to limit hementless heads. I've fixed the link in my description so you can look at more images if you wish in a google drive.
9th Company, the blue trim has got more MkIV Maximus armour, as well as Mk2 crusade pattern.
6th Company, the purple trim is nearly all MkIII Iron armour.
chaos0xomega wrote: Your chapter appears to have an insufficient motor pool - need more rhinos at a minimum, but some additional armored support wouldn't hurt either. You also lack orbital insertion capability, better acquire some additional Drop Pods, a squadron or twos worth of flyers wouldn't hurt either, nor would a couple Thunderhawks.
You are not wrong about the limited motor pool. The issue is space to store said vehicles. I do intend to do at least 10 rhinos, and 10 drop pods, so a company of each. After that a squadron of 3 of each vehicle/tank/flyer. Having a full chapter of vehicles would be awesome, but time and space and other projects are a limiting factor.
My lore/fluff for the chapter is that they tend to put more effort into building/maintaining their terminator plate and dreadnoughts, and other rediscovered relics, then larger multi-crew tanks and vehicles.
The chapter can also call on my titan legions if they ever need the "firepower"
Stupendous work with a lot of nifty paint jobs in there ... great to see the painting evolution over time.
Thank you, and also thank you to all the other comments as well.
I feel that I do a decent enough paint job, I have done better works, but have tried to maintain a sort of standard with the chapter, but as you point out it has evolved over time.
The 1st block of 100 terminators in Indomitus Pattern as well as 3rd company with the Green trim, are my earliest and longest standing paint jobs. Though the colour scheme originally did not have white, that was an evolution to break up how dark they were. Later I tried my hand at extreme edge highlights, but wasn't fond of the look, and a LOT of effort to do well.
In some of the Terminators you can see that they are a bit brighter but still dark. I had decided to go with a light dry brush highlight at the time for those squads. During this time I did a bunch of High elves and liked the blue I developed for them. It was much brighter, which is what you then see the bulk of the companies in. 2nd company was the next built and after that point i decided to build the rest of the chapter.
With the Primaris I started doing my normal colours but then decided to have them done in my original non-white colour, but with a metallic sheen, and the blue not a dark. A bit of a throw back to what I originally started painting 20 years ago. Unfortunately no fully assembled models from then exist.
chaos0xomega wrote: Your chapter appears to have an insufficient motor pool - need more rhinos at a minimum, but some additional armored support wouldn't hurt either. You also lack orbital insertion capability, better acquire some additional Drop Pods, a squadron or twos worth of flyers wouldn't hurt either, nor would a couple Thunderhawks.
You are not wrong about the limited motor pool. The issue is space to store said vehicles. I do intend to do at least 10 rhinos, and 10 drop pods, so a company of each. After that a squadron of 3 of each vehicle/tank/flyer. Having a full chapter of vehicles would be awesome, but time and space and other projects are a limiting factor.
My lore/fluff for the chapter is that they tend to put more effort into building/maintaining their terminator plate and dreadnoughts, and other rediscovered relics, then larger multi-crew tanks and vehicles.
The chapter can also call on my titan legions if they ever need the "firepower"
I can only imagine how much storage space is already taken up by what you already own - can't wait to see your posts in a few years once you've bulked up on the vehicles!
Nice one. Was it the plan from day 1 to collect a chapter, or did it happen gradually, like you'd done a company, which is doable in a couple fo years right? and then you just went feth it, in for a penny...
PaddyMick wrote: Nice one. Was it the plan from day 1 to collect a chapter, or did it happen gradually, like you'd done a company, which is doable in a couple fo years right? and then you just went feth it, in for a penny...
No, it was never the original plan. To begin with I had 3rd company (green trim) and I think it was 30 or 40 terminators. I then decided to make a terminator 1st company of 100. All of these models then had edgehighlights done to them as they were so dark. After doing 200 models like that I decided to instead dry brush a slightly brighter blue. This can be seen on several forgeworld terminator squads and 3 contemptors.
I took a break from doing spacemarines at this point and did a huge amount of fantasy, and other 40 armies. See how my painting had improved I decided to do a new company. So second company (gold trim/flames) happened, it better suited the salamander play style. At this point as well Forge World started releasing unique legion squads for Terminators and infantry, and the calth/prospero boxes appeared. So I decided to increase the terminators to 300 and then make companies out of those boxes. This pushed my chapter out to nearly 4 battle companies and a 300 terminators. At this point I looked at the black templar, dark angels, blood angels, space wolves kits and decided to companied of each of those and the scout company, so the chapter idea was then planned.
Just as I'm nearly two thirds of the way done GW releases primaris. So added them too.
Unfortunately, GW is about to declare all firstborn Marines are moving to Legends. Good luck on the next army!
At least they can't legends them out of 30k, right? What was that? Cawl was actually creating Primaris for Horus and they replaced the legions, but then everyone forgot because of the Emperor's pseudo-death, so only Primaris in 30k now as well?
Unfortunately, GW is about to declare all firstborn Marines are moving to Legends. Good luck on the next army!
At least they can't legends them out of 30k, right? What was that? Cawl was actually creating Primaris for Horus and they replaced the legions, but then everyone forgot because of the Emperor's pseudo-death, so only Primaris in 30k now as well?
I hear GW is retconning Tyranids to have won the Horus Heresy. Astartesthropes will be the first big reveal of the New Year.
Unfortunately, GW is about to declare all firstborn Marines are moving to Legends. Good luck on the next army!
At least they can't legends them out of 30k, right? What was that? Cawl was actually creating Primaris for Horus and they replaced the legions, but then everyone forgot because of the Emperor's pseudo-death, so only Primaris in 30k now as well?
I hear GW is retconning Tyranids to have won the Horus Heresy. Astartesthropes will be the first big reveal of the New Year.
GW Sales Team - Allegedly: "Tyranids can adapt to anything right? How about Power Armor Tyranids? They can be just like SMs, except bioweapons! Make them super OP as well so all the meta chasers buy 'em by the truck load for the hoard play. Then, a few years down the line and a huge profit margin later, we can say we decided it was a silly idea and completely retcon them out of existence, banning the models from all official tournaments. Thus, effectively selling a bunch of minis with no need to balance them. We will make millions out of this con!"
Automatically Appended Next Post: All jokes aside though, this collection is awesome! I've seen people with a few SM armies of several thousand points each, but I can't say I've seen any put them together in companies as a whole Chapter. Seeing the all laid out in parade really makes it hit home just how many that is as well. Inspires me to want to grow my own collection to this size, though space is already a problem currently. It also makes me want to do similar with the IG, though that would be a nightmare of a lifetime project considering how big most regiments actually are. I am also envious of your Titans.
techsoldaten wrote: Very impressive. You've carried out the aspirations of every serious painter and have the work to show. I'm blown away!
Unfortunately, GW is about to declare all firstborn Marines are moving to Legends. Good luck on the next army!
Thanks mate.
I'm not overly worried if GW ever decided to retcon anything, or move the whole thing to Legends.I've been through enough of that over the years that I'd just grab what I can from what I've got and play them as "counts as". OR just play an edition that fits. Or like someone has suggested just 30k it instead.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
stonehorse wrote: Firstly, that is bloody impressive, hats off to you on an epic endeavour.
This is the sort of thing that should be in White Dwarf, that is if it were no longer a glorified sales device.
Anywho, how much have you used in one game? I strongly doubt that you'll ever get the chance to use it all in one go... Still, if you ever did. Wow!
Cheers mate.
The most that has ever been deployed was the entire 300 terminators, 2nd and 3rd company, with elements of 6th and 8th (maybe a few squads) and I think the dreadnought count was only half of that. It was many years ago. I also think it was before I had my Warlord Titans, i don't think they have ever "marched". I split the titans via colour scheme with my friend(1 warhound and reaver each), he used his tau, and black templars combined with my khorne demons, grey knights and imperial guard (maybe my eldar too). It took us a night to set up and an entire day to get to turn 3-4. Only lost just on 100 terminators. this was still with titan blast templates too.
I do not think the entire chapter will ever see a match. That is two 6 ft x 4ft tables with them displayed on. I would also need to find a place to set up a game, and an opponent(s) with enough to deploy in return. Turns would take Hours to complete unless had multiple players commanding sections of the board. Probably take 2-3 days to complete the match. Still would be interesting to do.
Automatically Appended Next Post: All jokes aside though, this collection is awesome! I've seen people with a few SM armies of several thousand points each, but I can't say I've seen any put them together in companies as a whole Chapter. Seeing the all laid out in parade really makes it hit home just how many that is as well. Inspires me to want to grow my own collection to this size, though space is already a problem currently. It also makes me want to do similar with the IG, though that would be a nightmare of a lifetime project considering how big most regiments actually are. I am also envious of your Titans.
EDIT: Scopemk2 speaking here, something has gone sideways with the quotes:
Thank you.
As I may have mentioned in previous quote/answers and such. This did not happen overnight, and it was really around 8-12 years in of playing and collecting 40k that I decided to go the full job of doing the entire chapter. From that point I slowly assembled each company. seemed like i did around 100 models from start to finish every year from that point. With the lockdowns, I decided to get the last of the Primaris and knock all 197 models out in 2 months.
I do agree getting the collection out and seeing it all lined up, does get me motivated to paint. I've done it a couple of times over the years to keep me pushing through the chapter. When it was all done and out It was a huge mix of happiness and abit of sadness. Happy with how it looks, and what I've managed to do, and bit sad that it is more or less complete, after all this time it is done. I say that but there will ALWAYS be more marines. Space be damned I will find space.
Ahh, the Titans. Those are my children at this point. They don't see much action, but I really do love those models. If a chapter is not enough I've got those for back up. Having gone from Warhound to Reavers and the Warlords, seeing how far Forge World came over that time is amazing. Still not without faults, but building and painting those is a huge project in themselves(over 6 months for the 2 warlords). Funny how close the Adeptus Titanicus warlords are to the "full scale" ones.
My hat's off to you good sir. I've wanted to do this since I first picked up the 3rd edition codex and saw the fully painted chapter inside the front cover. I'm about 1/3rd of the way there at the moment (2 companies done, 2 1/2 done, 1st and 10th about 2/3rds done), (372 Battle Brothers at current count.) but I've diverted more into collecting all the armies than just marines, so I might not ever get there. I'm glad to see that someone did though.
If I put every model I own on the tabletop, I could probably scrape together 40,000 points or so. I can just imagine the kind of game that would be.
Sherrypie wrote: Ah, a taller scale Epic army for mildly larger games
Great work all round. Surely they have a dedicated shelf to be constantly presented instead of languishing in foam trays?
Thank you kindly.
Unfortunately only a small portion of the chapter is on display, All commanders and dreadnoughts are displayed. I have to large sealed cabinets that contain some of my Warhammer. The 3 titan pairs take up a good amount of that as well as all of the dragons/monsters/daemons. To display the whole chapter I would need several more cabinets with loads of shelves. and most spare cabinet space is occupied by my 1/6th scale collection of things. One day I do hope that I can acquire a bit more space to have the chapter displayed. What you see now is is on two 6ft by 4ft tables, so a decent amount of space is required.
theCrowe wrote: But is there a 2nd edition box set plugga-bolter marine in there? There has to be, at least one, right?
I do know there are 2nd edition terminators, and maybe metal 2nd edition Chaplain, Librarian and maybe sergent. There are a couple of plug marines but I think they are later editions judging by the bolters. I started playing 40k around 3rd edition.
The models come from my earliest paint jobs, being my original terminator squad, and 3rd company.
Some classic minis there. It’s a phenomenal collection and a big achievement. The stuff that most Space Marines collectors only dream of. Love that old Whirlwind too.
Well done Sir! Your passion is visible. Nice to know, that are other insane people out there, collecting an entire chapter. I have a strictly First Born Blood Angel chapter, but only a third of my troops is painted. Will take a decade to finish it.
ImperialForcesTabletop wrote: Well done Sir! Your passion is visible. Nice to know, that are other insane people out there, collecting an entire chapter. I have a strictly First Born Blood Angel chapter, but only a third of my troops is painted. Will take a decade to finish it.
Keep on collecting and make the emperor proud
I wish you the best of luck mate. It took me many years to get to the chapter to where it is now. I will be completing a few other projects for the moment, with Adeptus Titanicus and Sisters of Battle, Custodes. Then we will begin adding in some vehicles, flyers and transports, back into the chapter. There will always be more.
It is always nice to hear others pushing forward with their collections.
Mothsniper wrote: Wow!
Love the color scheme and color variations between different companies. Makes the whole chapter look themed and narrative.
Speaking of. What is the backstory lore for these lads?
Thanks. The color scheme for the chapter is a little on the excessive side, and one could argue uses too many colours. However it is how it evolved over time. If a Marine does not have black shoulders, knees, elbows, boots and belt or a white/gold lower face plate, I do not feel it is one of my marines. a friend asked once why I did not just paint different chapters, and this is a core reason as to why.
Backstory/lore. I do have some very broad head cannon/lore for these guys, but have never completely put it to paper. It has sort of changed over time as GW changes rules and lore themselves. The Chapter Name, Ordinators, is taken from the Guards in the Elder Scrolls Morrowind. It also seemed fitting as it is similar to Terminators, of which I have a very large contingency of within the army. Several of the other names that I use for things come from the Elder Scrolls Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim as I played those games very heavily. in those games i would put a good amount of time into smithing and crafting, this ties into one of the reason I use the Salamanders for the core for the chapter. It also helps that I like the Salamander lore and rules.
The Chapter hails from a world called Mournhold. The culture people there work towards the benefit of the chapter, most becoming artisans, artificers, smiths. Even once a man becomes a Marine, he will still keep in contact with his original human family. They will often help in the maintenance of equipment and war gear. The Marines from Mournhold all wear the white plate/panels, and are referred to as Forgeborn. The white plates of their armour are white washed and contain the ashes of fallen/deceased family members/battle brothers that have been cremated within the forges they work. It is believed that these ashes will help protect them in battles to come. The Forgeborn are also always covered in soot from working their forges while in pursuit of maintaining and improving there equipment.
The Forgeborn, are of a very resilient physiology, and there are a very low washout rate within the potential aspirants, especially with the chapter's screening process in place. Their geneseed is rather stable, however this stability and physiology , makes them poor choices to cross the rubicon into becoming Primaris. There is a 80%+ washout rate when trying to convert a Forgeborn marine or human from Mournhold into a Primaris Marine. This is why there so few Forgeborn Primaris.
The other Primaris(or even firstborn marines) who wear metallic plate and gold accents are referred to as the Gilded. These are recruited from a Mining/trade world Redoran, located in a nearby system to Mournhold. It supplies a good portion of raw materials for the chapter. Some of the population on Redoran, where originally native to Mournhold, through several centuries of breeding with other humans from other worlds, these weakened some of the resilient physiology. This in turn has allowed for the Primaris procedure to be done with a much more sustainable outcome. The Gilded do not value family as much as the Forgeborn, and will spend more time on martial training then smithing and artifice, though they are stilled skilled in these areas.
The chapter will for the most part move around as one whole, and will only ever break down into 3 components. The minimum a component will contain is 100 terminators from 1st company, and 2 battle companies, with elements taken from 10th company, and 1st company’s specialist division (namely Primaris). This break down is only used is there are a few fronts that must be dealt with across several planets or systems. Preferably the chapter likes to bring its full might to bare, usually with 2 thirds of the chapter deploying to a conflict zone or planet, with 1 third being held in reserve to react and rapidly deploy if necessary. Their reasoning for this, despite making them inflexible, is that it vastly reduces casualties, as multiple companies can support one another, and due to the force they bring will often bring conflicts to an end quickly.
A side note is that I do have a Primarch representing The Dragonborn(Vulkan), Vivec(Gulliman), and the Nerevarine(Alpharius), from the Elder scrolls games.
To help explain why the chapter as so many suites of Terminator Armour, Contemptor Dreadnoughts, as well as why they often display heraldry from other chapters, I came up with this. The Ordinators do listen out for rumours of caches of armour and relics, and will when they can pursue these. As the Forgeborn like to maintain and improve wargear, they are always looking for more relics to add to the chapter, in particular Terminator and Dreadnought plate. When these relics are recovered they will be restored and with it's original heraldry intact but under the colours of the Ordinator chapter. If they cross paths with a chapter that the restored piece came from and they ask for its return, they can claim it via a challenge. The Ordinators argue this: the original chapter lost it and did not recover it, that the Ordinators have gone to the trouble of recovery and restoration they should be allowed to use it in the service of the imperium. Having restored it with its original heraldry should be considered honour enough to its previous chapter.
Other bits of lore:
Chapter maintains good relations with 2 titan legions, which frequently deploy along side them.
The chapter tend to fight more for the Imperium of man then the Emperor. Could be related to their family ties and wanting to protect them. Will hear “For the Imperium” battle cries.
Although females cannot become Ordinator Marines, some will often chose to go down a path similar to the Mechanicus techpriests. They will spend time at one other titan legions and gain knowledge to help in the maintenance for dreadnoughts and vehicles. They will sometimes take to the battlefield in a similar role as a techmarine.
Dreadnoughts of the Ordinators do sleep, but not as frequently as in other chapters. They are often found working in large specialised forges and even find then time to “stroll” among the people.
Outside of the Salamander rules I will also often take the "tactical squads" as Sternguard to better represent the Forgeborn's smithing and artifice.
That is a rough-ish lore dump for my Chapter, hope it gives satisfies your question.
This give a good idea of the chapter.
Ah, I like The Elder Scrolls reference. (played only skirym, loved exploring dwemer caverns; when is the 6th planed to launch?)
Wait a minute... Forgeborn, strong family ties, like to bring whole force to bear, like to maintain and improve wargear, seek out caches of armour and relics, resilient physiology, strong bloodlines, Like to smith and forge. Does the chapter by any chance has big book of Grudges, and an extensive brewery?
Keeping in contact with his original human family is truly unique for a space-marine. Then it makes sense for the dreadnaughts to operate forges instead of cryo-sleep. That is pretty damn cool!
"the original chapter lost it and did not recover it, that the Ordinators have gone to the trouble of recovery and restoration they should be allowed to use it in the service of the imperium."
Lolz, I like that !
I don't think you can truly avoid color variations when working on army that big. They look uniformed as a whole unit, and that is what matters.
Now, most important question. How friendly is the chapter with the inquisition?
Mothsniper wrote: This give a good idea of the chapter.
Ah, I like The Elder Scrolls reference. (played only skirym, loved exploring dwemer caverns; when is the 6th planed to launch?)
Wait a minute... Forgeborn, strong family ties, like to bring whole force to bear, like to maintain and improve wargear, seek out caches of armour and relics, resilient physiology, strong bloodlines, Like to smith and forge. Does the chapter by any chance has big book of Grudges, and an extensive brewery?
Keeping in contact with his original human family is truly unique for a space-marine. Then it makes sense for the dreadnaughts to operate forges instead of cryo-sleep. That is pretty damn cool!
"the original chapter lost it and did not recover it, that the Ordinators have gone to the trouble of recovery and restoration they should be allowed to use it in the service of the imperium."
Lolz, I like that !
I don't think you can truly avoid color variations when working on army that big. They look uniformed as a whole unit, and that is what matters.
Now, most important question. How friendly is the chapter with the inquisition?
Yes I spent a rather insane number of hours playing the 3 previously mentioned Elder Scrolls games.
The chapter does not have a book of grudges, though as I said they tend to fight more for the Imperium of Man then the Emperor. This has gotten them into conflict with several other chapters and imperial forces on more then one occasion. They will if necessary fight against other imperial factions if they believe they are not fighting for the benefit of Mankind. That said though they do not actively look for conflict with other Imperial forces.
The inquisition is an interesting subject. Rumour is that the Ordinators have fought along side the Grey knights(and maintain knowledge of it) and parts of the Officio Assassinorum. Other chapters have accused the Ordinators of actually engaging other chapters and killing them for relics such as Terminator and Contemptor plate. They say for them to possess such vast quantities of these relics and not be a founding chapter is suspicious, the Inquisition also agrees with this. The Ordinators maintain that they have either recovered these relics from space hulks or long forgotten battlefields, as well as having received some as rewards for their deeds and assistance rendered. The Inquisition is also suspicious of a decent portion of the recovered amour still bearing heraldry of pre-heresry traitor legions, and that the chapter numbers far more then the codex Astartes suggests. A rumour is that the Ordinators number far beyond the 1500 marines that their records suggest as well. They seem to replace battlefield losses rather quickly, which could mean they do possess reserve companies not just their 8 battle companies (companies 2-9). The Inquisition have tried to look into this but have not found any substantial evidence to support these claims. They have noted different variations of Terminator plate outside of the 300 recorded suits in use. This feeds the rumor that there are more Ordinators then records suggest, or at least they possess significantly more equipment then they present.
Due to these discrepancies, the known number of Marines in service, and the fact that they have on occasion come into conflict with Imperial forces, the Inquisition do monitor the Ordinators movements, but have not taken action directly against them. They appear to fight for the Imperium, they are also mostly at full strength and rarely separated, possess a vast quantity of high end equipment, and even have support of 2 titan legions. To bring the Ordinators to heel would require a significant amount of resources, somthing which the Imperium in it's current state seems to struggle to bring to bare against it's actual foes.
Other things of note.
As the chapter does put emphasis on maintaining Dreadnought and Terminator plate, other vehicle types are not as prevalent as in other chapters. The Ordinators have put vast amounts of time into learning the knowledge of how to repair and manufacture components to these relics, so more standard vehicles are not as numerous. This is also why jump packs and bikes are not seen with much frequency within the chapter and only really two companies use and maintain them.
They also tend to only use and maintain flame, melta, plasma, las cannon and missile launchers. Grav, volkite and other rarer weapon types are seen as too time consuming to maintain, so these are also only seen in very small quantities if at all.
The keeping in contact with the original human family is something i liked from the Salamander's lore and I wanted the Ordinators to emulate that, and they do in fact look up to the Salamanders as a chapter. It is thought that they may have been some sort of secret founding of the Salamanders but they have no genetic markers within their Gene seed with the Salamanders at all. Who their founding chapter is, is a mystery.
The Dreadnoughts in cryo sleep is understandable to me, but i also think is a waste as well. This is where I thought them working forges, and imparting knowledge with their kin was more fitting then sleeping between fights.
The colour variations are something I like between the companies as well as the use of heraldry/ or armour marks. Like you said, despite these extra colours the chapter still looks pretty uniform, even with the Primaris metallic scheme. However what I was more getting at with the colour scheme is that it a bit too busy. Most chapters only really use 2 main colours and a trim colour. I have 4 main colours+trim accents and those 4 colours are distributed across the entire model Blue, white, black, and red (gun cases). That said though, when I do not break the armour up in that fashion they do not feel like my marines. So even if they are too busy, i still like them.
I think that is about the extent of my head cannon, however if you want to pick my mind on anything let me know and i will see if I have a response. and once again thanks for the feed back, Cheers.
Mothsniper wrote: This give a good idea of the chapter.
Ah, I like The Elder Scrolls reference. (played only skirym, loved exploring dwemer caverns; when is the 6th planed to launch?)
Wait a minute... Forgeborn, strong family ties, like to bring whole force to bear, like to maintain and improve wargear, seek out caches of armour and relics, resilient physiology, strong bloodlines, Like to smith and forge. Does the chapter by any chance has big book of Grudges, and an extensive brewery?
Keeping in contact with his original human family is truly unique for a space-marine. Then it makes sense for the dreadnaughts to operate forges instead of cryo-sleep. That is pretty damn cool!
"the original chapter lost it and did not recover it, that the Ordinators have gone to the trouble of recovery and restoration they should be allowed to use it in the service of the imperium."
Lolz, I like that !
I don't think you can truly avoid color variations when working on army that big. They look uniformed as a whole unit, and that is what matters.
Now, most important question. How friendly is the chapter with the inquisition?
Yes I spent a rather insane number of hours playing the 3 previously mentioned Elder Scrolls games.
The chapter does not have a book of grudges, though as I said they tend to fight more for the Imperium of Man then the Emperor. This has gotten them into conflict with several other chapters and imperial forces on more then one occasion. They will if necessary fight against other imperial factions if they believe they are not fighting for the benefit of Mankind. That said though they do not actively look for conflict with other Imperial forces.
The inquisition is an interesting subject. Rumour is that the Ordinators have fought along side the Grey knights(and maintain knowledge of it) and parts of the Officio Assassinorum. Other chapters have accused the Ordinators of actually engaging other chapters and killing them for relics such as Terminator and Contemptor plate. They say for them to possess such vast quantities of these relics and not be a founding chapter is suspicious, the Inquisition also agrees with this. The Ordinators maintain that they have either recovered these relics from space hulks or long forgotten battlefields, as well as having received some as rewards for their deeds and assistance rendered. The Inquisition is also suspicious of a decent portion of the recovered amour still bearing heraldry of pre-heresry traitor legions, and that the chapter numbers far more then the codex Astartes suggests. A rumour is that the Ordinators number far beyond the 1500 marines that their records suggest as well. They seem to replace battlefield losses rather quickly, which could mean they do possess reserve companies not just their 8 battle companies (companies 2-9). The Inquisition have tried to look into this but have not found any substantial evidence to support these claims. They have noted different variations of Terminator plate outside of the 300 recorded suits in use. This feeds the rumor that there are more Ordinators then records suggest, or at least they possess significantly more equipment then they present.
Due to these discrepancies, the known number of Marines in service, and the fact that they have on occasion come into conflict with Imperial forces, the Inquisition do monitor the Ordinators movements, but have not taken action directly against them. They appear to fight for the Imperium, they are also mostly at full strength and rarely separated, possess a vast quantity of high end equipment, and even have support of 2 titan legions. To bring the Ordinators to heel would require a significant amount of resources, somthing which the Imperium in it's current state seems to struggle to bring to bare against it's actual foes.
Other things of note.
As the chapter does put emphasis on maintaining Dreadnought and Terminator plate, other vehicle types are not as prevalent as in other chapters. The Ordinators have put vast amounts of time into learning the knowledge of how to repair and manufacture components to these relics, so more standard vehicles are not as numerous. This is also why jump packs and bikes are not seen with much frequency within the chapter and only really two companies use and maintain them.
They also tend to only use and maintain flame, melta, plasma, las cannon and missile launchers. Grav, volkite and other rarer weapon types are seen as too time consuming to maintain, so these are also only seen in very small quantities if at all.
The keeping in contact with the original human family is something i liked from the Salamander's lore and I wanted the Ordinators to emulate that, and they do in fact look up to the Salamanders as a chapter. It is thought that they may have been some sort of secret founding of the Salamanders but they have no genetic markers within their Gene seed with the Salamanders at all. Who their founding chapter is, is a mystery.
The Dreadnoughts in cryo sleep is understandable to me, but i also think is a waste as well. This is where I thought them working forges, and imparting knowledge with their kin was more fitting then sleeping between fights.
The colour variations are something I like between the companies as well as the use of heraldry/ or armour marks. Like you said, despite these extra colours the chapter still looks pretty uniform, even with the Primaris metallic scheme. However what I was more getting at with the colour scheme is that it a bit too busy. Most chapters only really use 2 main colours and a trim colour. I have 4 main colours+trim accents and those 4 colours are distributed across the entire model Blue, white, black, and red (gun cases). That said though, when I do not break the armour up in that fashion they do not feel like my marines. So even if they are too busy, i still like them.
I think that is about the extent of my head cannon, however if you want to pick my mind on anything let me know and i will see if I have a response. and once again thanks for the feed back, Cheers.
The book of grudges is wholely a dwarf thing. I was implying that the chapter has many common traits with the Dawi (Dwarfs) like forges, hoarding relics, strong bloodlines, smithing and such.
Oh I had no idea that Salamanders keep contact with families, just shows how little I know of Salamanders.
Ah, I was wondering who was the founding chapter. Mystery indeed, if I had to guess, I would be more inclined to pick Ultramarines as the founding chapter, mainly because of the prominent blue color scheme. Like the Crimson Fists are.
I am glad to hear that the chapter is not at war with inquisition! (that would be my army)
I feel ya on the color scheme. But you got the unique and unformed look so it works.
Thanks, a bit of back lore gives extra context to the pictures!
Are the Ordinators finished, or are you adding more to the force?
And, If chapter is done, are you starting any new armies?
The book of grudges is wholely a dwarf thing. I was implying that the chapter has many common traits with the Dawi (Dwarfs) like forges, hoarding relics, strong bloodlines, smithing and such.
Oh I had no idea that Salamanders keep contact with families, just shows how little I know of Salamanders.
Ah, I was wondering who was the founding chapter. Mystery indeed, if I had to guess, I would be more inclined to pick Ultramarines as the founding chapter, mainly because of the prominent blue color scheme. Like the Crimson Fists are.
I am glad to hear that the chapter is not at war with inquisition! (that would be my army)
I feel ya on the color scheme. But you got the unique and unformed look so it works.
Thanks, a bit of back lore gives extra context to the pictures!
Are the Ordinators finished, or are you adding more to the force?
And, If chapter is done, are you starting any new armies?
I did think you werehinitng at a dwarves style traits, but it was more a throw back to how I played some of my RPGs and the Salamanders.
The Ordinators will more then likely never truely be finished. From an Infantry standpoint they are more or less done. However if the Space Marine range increases then we could see more Ordinators join the ranks. I would however not ever bother to replace all the Firstborn marines, they are my bread and butter, even if GW removes them from the hobby. Vehicles are something I wish to add, enough transports for 1 company, maybe 3 of each vehicle/flyer to create "squadrons" and maybe a thunderhawk. i would like to do the entire motor pool, but that is 1 very expensive and 2 i do not have the space for all of that.
Current projects include: Filling out my 2 legions for the Adeptus Titanicus game, Sisters of Battle (both GW and Wargaming Exclusive varients) 1.5 companies worth, flesh out a Custodes army, add 40 more paladins to my grey knights to have 100 strong company. Also want ot paint up some of the fantasy/sigma kits, not armies just one off kits.
I have lost of trouble keeping my Space Marine force a single unified color pattern, mostly cause I build stuff with to represent something I like or as a squad commanded by a friend (Or just the Sargent, either choice color is their fav colors or suggestions) since I label squads via base rim it rarely comes up as a problem.
Still props for painting all that must have took lots of thought planning out what Company got what model also glad to know someone else painted a "Red vs Blue" guy, my version of Caboose is on a attack bike with Tucker to help Griff & Simmons (My other Attack Bike)... I 'may' have put him in the gunner seat & 'may' have gave him a Multi-Melta... he hasn't killed anyone on my team... yet 'loud explosion' "Tucker did it!" I better check that
Enigma117 wrote: I have lost of trouble keeping my Space Marine force a single unified color pattern, mostly cause I build stuff with to represent something I like or as a squad commanded by a friend (Or just the Sargent, either choice color is their fav colors or suggestions) since I label squads via base rim it rarely comes up as a problem.
Still props for painting all that must have took lots of thought planning out what Company got what model also glad to know someone else painted a "Red vs Blue" guy, my version of Caboose is on a attack bike with Tucker to help Griff & Simmons (My other Attack Bike)... I 'may' have put him in the gunner seat & 'may' have gave him a Multi-Melta... he hasn't killed anyone on my team... yet 'loud explosion' "Tucker did it!" I better check that
One of the issues with doing the same scheme over and over, and trying to maintain consistency, is that your painting technique can stagnate. This is something I did find that occurred with me, namely in the last 6+ or so years where I solely painted only the Space Marine Chapter. Prior to that i think it was the Warlord Titans when they releases which was the only break I had from the chapter. Prior to knuckling down just the space marines, I had done a slab of fantasy and dragons(chaos and high elves), Eldar, grey knights, Tyranids, Daemons, Guard. The variety of fantasy stuff was where i feel I have done some of my better paint jobs and got to try out new techniques.
Not a lot of thought went into planning the chapter out. A good portion of it was the results of Forge World releasing "unique" squads and Dreads for The Horus Heresy, and GW releasing those two heresy spin off box sets. These provided the bulk of the non founding themed companies. Then it was a case of just picking out either armour types or heraldry to fit each company. Always wanted 300 terminators strong. Had my flame themed 2nd company. 3rd company(green trim) was my original marine company that has seen the most play and has some of the oldest paint jobs with modifications. After that it was do founding themed companies(dark and blood angels, wolves) + templars and fill int eh blanks with the rest with what I had avalable. End result is something i am rather happy with and pleased that I worked through it.
Each of my other Red vs blue models still do exist, but have since been cannibalised back into the Ordinator colours. I even have a Shiela Twin barreled Baneblade, which I am looking at modding into a Fellblade stand in at some point.
The dedication to a plan, and the execution of all the tasks to achieve your vision (up to this point in time!) are inspiring.
Never will I attempt this goal, but my drive for a company of my own has been empowered by your work.
Outstanding job.
Many thanks - and congratulations on the steps in your journey.
Thank you kindly, I appreciate it. With new heresy plastic on the horizon I maybe adding odds and ends sooner then I thought.
One word or warning. It always starts with just one company, then before you know it you are 3 companies in and think might as well just do the entire chapter. After that you realise you are well past the "normal" codex alloted 1000 marines. Also you loose about a decade and half or more. At least if a friend asks for some support in a match, you can ask how many companies?
warpedpig wrote: Now you need 1000 primaris marines. Better get started.
Not likely. I may add new varients here and there of Primaris Marines under the Gilded colour scheme. I still prefer my first born marines even if they end up getting replaced completely by Primaris. However with the potential release of Plastic Horus Heresy kits/box sets, There could end up being a an extra company or two. That said though still have the sisters and Custodes projects I would like to look at, as well as adding some Vehicles to the chapter.
I have to resurrect this thread to say fantastic job. day dreaming about owning a 1,000 man chapter (even though I am a chaos collector lol) and this brought me here.
awesome paint jobs and really enjoy at the variety and some of the customizations you have done. furthermore really enjoy the lore , thanks for sharing! I love the Morrowind reference an immediate +1000 on a +10,000 job. (for further heartfelt compliments i wish to add too i like your attitude in general towards collecting and rules, etc. another +1000 for 'firstborn' preference)
Don't ever feel bad about the motorpool. In real life marines are supposed to either board the enemy and kill (hence your terminators, perfect for large spaceborne engagements be it on space hulks or craftworlds) or quick in and quick out shore actions. all the treadhead nonsense is for the imperial guard!
sandor1988 wrote: I have to resurrect this thread to say fantastic job. day dreaming about owning a 1,000 man chapter (even though I am a chaos collector lol) and this brought me here.
awesome paint jobs and really enjoy at the variety and some of the customizations you have done. furthermore really enjoy the lore , thanks for sharing! I love the Morrowind reference an immediate +1000 on a +10,000 job. (for further heartfelt compliments i wish to add too i like your attitude in general towards collecting and rules, etc. another +1000 for 'firstborn' preference)
Don't ever feel bad about the motorpool. In real life marines are supposed to either board the enemy and kill (hence your terminators, perfect for large spaceborne engagements be it on space hulks or craftworlds) or quick in and quick out shore actions. all the treadhead nonsense is for the imperial guard!
Thank you kindly. Hope that one day you can finish a chapter even if it is chaos. Start "small" with a company then work up form there.
Glad you enjoyed the lore, having responded to to that background question had me sort of solidify aspects of it which was nice.
As an update there will be an additional company that will be added to the chapter. It will be Mk.VI Corvus Armor themed thanks to the release of the Heresy box starter sets. This will also see the addition of more contemptor and leviathan dreadnoughts and a pair of spartan assault tanks. Of course 1st company will be moving to 320 terminators. The paint scheme for this company with fall inline with the original blue/white of the forgeborn and not the metallic gilded primaris. i will also be looking at trying weathering and wear across the company. This all said though, it will not be started for probably close to 12-24 months. Currently working on a bunch of 3rd party Sororitas which I would like to have finished by April-June. After this I have a whole bunch of fantasy style miniatures to paint up, plus will be experimenting with various painting techniques that could help with the chapter.
I don't ever really feel too bad about the motor pool due to the amount of dreadnoughts, and the fact that i have several titans and knights that can be called upon. But at some point there will hopefully be at least a squadron of each vehicle type. Again storage space withstanding, of which is always at a premium.
How friendly is the chapter with the inquisition?
(that would be my army)
