Seems we don't have a thread yet to discuss the things shown in the Not-40k Online Preview (today, starting at 2 PM BST).







Now we have.

What is the Primaris Lieutenant thing a reference to?

^Probably because they pop up everywhere. Literally everywhere. Even when not invited. Pop up Primaris.

Will be nice for once not to have a Primaris Lt appear. Whether he is limited or not.



It's really a GW in-joke because they know people complain everytime Primaris Lts appear, so for this Preview it's kind of reinforcing that there will be no WH40K on show.

 Pacific wrote:
What is the Primaris Lieutenant thing a reference to?

'Primaris Lieutenant' is a meme, because it feels like every second limited release model is a Primaris Lieutenant, and almost every larger release is accompanied by another one (just look into the Space Marine Datasheets, they have like 12 different Primaris Lieutenants, and that's just the ones that are distinct enough to warrant separate sheets).

I believe its also because a Primaris character/marine character is often what GW gets new sculptors to make to test that they can design within GW's scale, style and themes. So they wind up with a lot of them ready for production. Coupled to Marine's general high sales and popularity.

GW has also for a while been doing a lot of leader/character model one-off releases. You can really see it in some of the AoS armies that are smaller (eg fyreslayers) where you can often have more models in the leader slot as choices than in the troops.

You just notice it way more with Marines because they are Marines.

I think the Old World and Heresy communities will expect too much yet again, get a small reveal and declare both systems dead within seconds.

Got my pitchforks well rusted and my torch oiled up!

I just hope there are no more chaos warbands for Warcry unless they are one of the 4 demon god forces only. Slaves have almost an entire second factions worth of warcry models

Don't get me wrong they are awesome models but even GW has to see that the imbalance is bonkers

 Overread wrote:
I just hope there are no more chaos warbands for Warcry unless they are one of the 4 demon god forces only. Slaves have almost an entire second factions worth of warcry models

Don't get me wrong they are awesome models but even GW has to see that the imbalance is bonkers

We already got a roadmap last time and the next six warbands are 3 order, 2 destruction, 1 death

Would be nice to see some new units for Brets that are not resin heroes. Prepared to be dissapointed.

 Gert wrote:
I think the Old World and Heresy communities will expect too much yet again, get a small reveal and declare both systems dead within seconds.

As far as Heresy goes we do have the limited roadmap info to make predictions from. Confirmed summer HH releases are the already-announced Cerastus Lancer, and some unspecified new characters & upgrades in resin. The latter seems like a shoe-in for this preview.
In Autumn we have the Deredeo, new armour mark, and other Cerastus variants in plastic, plus an updated Primarch in resin. Of those the Cerastus model(s) seem most likely to show off following the existing Acheron leak. I'm not confident about seeing any of those other models just yet, given some are likely to be an October/November release.

Then of course there's the "not-Epic" teaser to hear more about...

I'd be shocked if the Acheron didn't make a showing especially as we already know it's coming.
I am interested to see what characters are shown.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Would be nice to see some new units for Brets that are not resin heroes. Prepared to be dissapointed.

I guess the one Old World model will be something like an Orc or a Chaos Marauder this time, to get people speculating a bit.


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 Gert wrote:
I'd be shocked if the Acheron didn't make a showing especially as we already know it's coming.
I am interested to see what characters are shown.

For HH i suspect a closer look at the next box (maybe) that we speculated we've already seen the art for, more of the Knights we know are coming, and something like a close-up of a belt buckle or a boot or whatever for the Primarch model they announced, just something that does not immediately tell you who it is


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Definitely, definitely not Epic:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/01/decode-this-curious-transmission/

(for the work-blocked: it's the Horus-Heresy trailer, shrunk to 1/4 size and with squeaky voices, along a lot of 'magnifying glass' type jokes in the article)

Hopefully the Deredeo will be shown off. Assuming that is indeed the new Dreadnought promised.

Very excited to see the AoS and Underworlds releases, along with whatever TOW has in store today. Hopefully something more substantial.

That squeaky-voice video is the funniest thing I've seen in ages. Well played GW

I am hype!

Oh gods does this mean 2023 is the year of 40K 10th; Epic returns; Old World and freaking heck what else - my wallet is screaming in pain!


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I am hype!

I'm hype, but I'd be more hype if there were Xenos in the video

sad hobbit noises

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hopefully the Deredeo will be shown off. Assuming that is indeed the new Dreadnought promised.

Wasn't the rumour/s pointing towards it being the Feribundus (spelling?)
A deredeo would seem the logical choice though and rounds out the dreads in plastic.

I'm guessing we'll see plague monks for Underworlds. Hopefully Epic won't be the only HH reveal

Well. There's the Knight.

Looks like a Plague Monk, some form of cavalry with banner - Bretonnian maybe? the top of the banner pole has a shield but is cut off

A Knight on the right?

Definitely the Acheron which isn't a shock. Epic Heresy isn't too big of a surprise either considering that's how the whole thing started off anyway.

If all we get for the heresy is the knight that already leaked, I will be bummed.

What looks like Repanse de Lyonesse, Sigmarite War Altar, Skaven Plaguemonk, Mechanicus Knight?

Repanse isn't alive at this time.

And I don't think the head of the horse is styled as Bretonnia.

That is a new Empire bannerman.

 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
If all we get for the heresy is the knight that already leaked, I will be bummed.

Yeah, it would suck.

Grail Seeker wrote:
Repanse isn't alive at this time.

And I don't think the head of the horse is styled as Bretonnia.

That is a new Empire bannerman.

Yeah, i know, off by 250-300 years.


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Stream is live btw., so far about 5k people in.

https://www.twitch.tv/warhammer

The second silhouette is something for CoS. Engineer maybe? Or a wizard?

Soon we will know how many Rumour Engines are there.

They have some technical difficulties

Tsagualsa wrote:
They have some technical difficulties

I blame rats!

Tsagualsa wrote:
They have some technical difficulties

No, that was the preview. There is nothing not 40k in Warhammer, that was the joke.

And it's up again, this time for real. >10k people.

Sarouan wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
They have some technical difficulties

No, that was the preview. There is nothing not 40k in Warhammer, that was the joke.

Scrapping all not 40k - the new ingenious move by GW management!

We start with CoS

Oh look, it's Whoopie Goldberg on a Lion.

These streams are literally the worst. It's 6 minutes in and they're talking about what they're excited about that may be coming.

They know what they're presenting. Trying to pad this out to be longer with this filler is abysmal.

I'll just come back in an hour when everything is on the web site.

Ooooohhh! That character!

Ohh that's an awesome manticore!

Bright Wizard with coal basket?

I want that alchemite warforger

Alchemite is cool.

I like the idea of a battle-smith! Very fitting for an army on the march to have a smith

 GaroRobe wrote:
I want that alchemite warforger

I get heavy Hashut vibes from it. Also, half the paintjobs will make a coffee pot out of his cauldron

Looks also like some kind of torturer.

Some of the Steelhelms look like hobbits.

Same model twice is probably a mistake. So we are probably missing a sculpt.

I just get an semi-controllable urge to take these models and do Mordheim with them. Especially the Knights.

Angry innkeeper This mini is awesome the rest of Steelhelms is mediocre to bad.

I like that Manticore, that's a nice Manticore.

Manticore is awesome. Tahlia with helm and axe looks the best.

Her mace is cool. Since she has three weapon options, hopefully someone will sell it on ebay.

What's with all the heads? Wouldn't decorating with bones be risky against undead?

Tahlia is already the winner here.

Well well well, if it's not Knight Nystagmus and Knight Acetone...

The Cylon Knight looks cool.

Mmmm, knightly knights.

Nice to see the one that’s not the Acheron, as we knew that was coming from an apparent Mail Order Goof.

Hell yes. Acheron and Castigator. So excited for more of these in plastic.

I like what they did with the notorious fuel feed on the Acheron

Oh damn didn't expect both the other Cerastus variants, just the Acheron.

Wonder if they might turn up in the Knight Codex? It would be nice.


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SQUEAK!

Plague Monks!

Knights are nice, no doubting. Hoping they do indeed have other stuff to show off for 30k later on as we already knew about the knights...

I'd wish they toned it down a bit with the sculpted smoke.

Now thats a great centre piece model - Manticore is an interesting choice of mount - but Sigmar does seem to have become a cat guy

I'm a bit underwhelmed with the plague monks. I was really hoping for something crazy but eh.

 Snrub wrote:
Knights are nice, no doubting. Hoping they do indeed have other stuff to show off for 30k later on as we already knew about the knights...

Epic probably. It's like how Titanicus used to get slotted in with HH in previous previews because it was technically a HH game.

Rat with a warpstone is my favourite.

Nice job with the Plague Monks! Not my favorite Skaven clan, but they definitely nailed the look. They will make excellent conversion fodder too.

Oh, Clan Pestilens. Good-good. Now new infantery please-please.

Love the Plague Pack. Hopefully, this means that a rework of the existing Pestilens models isn't too far away.

Dawws look at that little rat with his own warpstone!

 Snrub wrote:
Knights are nice, no doubting. Hoping they do indeed have other stuff to show off for 30k later on as we already knew about the knights...

Yeah, I am hoping for some infantry.

 Gert wrote:

 Snrub wrote:
Knights are nice, no doubting. Hoping they do indeed have other stuff to show off for 30k later on as we already knew about the knights...

Epic probably. It's like how Titanicus used to get slotted in with HH in previous previews because it was technically a HH game.

Aah yeah. Epic. Hopefully it's a GOOD reveal at least, otherwise it'll be fairly lacklustre preview for heresy yet again.

Skabbik is on a city of sigmar cannon. So hopefully new ironweld are confirmed

Aha, the dude that did the Ghoul-Babboons is on to his old tricks.

More Kruleboyz are welcome but what's with the baboon thing they have going on 2 warbands now.

MONKE

Even more baboons!

So everyone will get their monkeys in the Mortal Realms now

That Kruleboy boss has to be one of the worst models in recent times.

I like those monkeys alot but that Grot Boss is gonna fall over as he is very overloaded!

Tsagualsa wrote:
Aha, the dude that did the Ghoul-Babboons is on to his old tricks.

These monkeys make the particulars of the Babouls even more baffling.

BSB is rather nice.

That is a nice horse. The dude on top is fine but that is a fine steed.

I'm confused. Kruleboys show Underworld logo... But they talked about Warcry... Right?

Yeah, I thought they were warcry

Yes yes, very nice and all that, it will be just as great when this game releases in 2028.

Another resin figure, lol. Of course.

Awesome knight but resin :(

Here it comes!!

YYYYAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

Huh. Round bases

Oh look, it's called 'Legions Imperialis', contains SM and Imperial Army... just like Valrak said.

And, as expected, it's all just marines on marines.

Oh cool. I guess the EPIC models show us what the 30k command squad will have

It's here!

Wow. How incredibly disappointing to end the "not-40k preview show" on this.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Wow. How incredibly disappointing to end the "not-40k preview show" on this.

Agreed. Thankfully, my expectations were already low.

New rocket pod and an unknown weapon for the Warhound

 GaroRobe wrote:
Oh cool. I guess the EPIC models show us what the 30k command squad will have

Also new walkers for the solar auxilia?

Not a single-box game, additional boxes confirmed, 'almost everything from the Horus Heresy'.

 zedmeister wrote:
New rocket pod and an unknown weapon for the Warhound

Presumably a new plastic weapon sprue for Warhounds.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
And, as expected, it's all just marines on marines.

Is this what you saw?

I like the new scale of the infantry!

I'm sold - I still want XENOS - I still want that.... but I'll take some HH tank warfare with titans

 Matrindur wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Oh cool. I guess the EPIC models show us what the 30k command squad will have

Also new walkers for the solar auxilia?

The assault squads also have chainswords held in right and left hands. The leader also has the same weapon loadout as the tactical mk6, though the other one has different weapons held in opposite hands, which is promising

They’ve definitely got the Debigulator working again.

So if the rest of this is moving to plastic, I guess that means the Solar Auxilia aren't far behind?

Heavy Sentinels look awesome!

 Scottywan82 wrote:
So if the rest of this is moving to plastic, I guess that means the Solar Auxilia aren't far behind?

Not necessarily. A 3d file is a 3d file after all and selling them at a smaller scale is less of a price dump than a regular-sized range.
Would be nice though.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
So if the rest of this is moving to plastic, I guess that means the Solar Auxilia aren't far behind?

I hope they're the mystery army introduced next year. At the very least, every fake rumor monger will include them in "leaks"

Whoever decided that the best paintjob to show of these kits was beige and teal guys on light-gray bases needs to get an appointment at the eye doctor

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
So if the rest of this is moving to plastic, I guess that means the Solar Auxilia aren't far behind?

I hope they're the mystery army introduced next year. At the very least, every fake rumor monger will include them in "leaks"

It's supposed to be this year for mystery army.

Plastic weapons for Warhounds confirmed. Which is nice.

Tsagualsa wrote:
Not a single-box game, additional boxes confirmed, 'almost everything from the Horus Heresy'.

Ohh be cool to have some Ad Mech, Custodes and Sisters of Silence - Marines- meh - have plenty of them

Lots of nice new plastic weapons for Warhound

 Scottywan82 wrote:
And, as expected, it's all just marines on marines.

If you think that's marine vs marine recommend looking again. Without even titans there's non-marines.

Let it be known that Epic got plastic Assault Marines before HH did.

I will say, those Sentinels are cool. More excited about the plastic Knights though, especially the Castigator.

"Not a 40k preview".

Still ended on god damn space marines. Oh well, the manticore still wins this by far.

It wasn't a 40k preview. They didn't preview any 40k things.

I have no idea how successful Aeronautica and Titanicus are but if they are not, I would bet that Legions Imperialis will be their excuse to silently scrap both, as models can be used in LI.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It wasn't a 40k preview. They didn't preview any 40k things.

If you want to split hairs, the plastic Knights were specifically mentioned as being useable in 40k

So wait, it's new Epic, except it's HH so it's 90% marines?

That's incredibly boring.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Some of the Steelhelms look like hobbits.

My first impression was children, with the relatively large heads, slim bodies and thin legs, but Hobbits aren't far.

Dunno, something about the Crusade range seems... off somehow. Except the manticore, that one's great.

But the Plague Monks are cool, that one Krule Boy that walked right off of an Ian Miller illustration is fantastic, and Epic is epic, regardless of name. All in all, great preview.

"If you've got heresy-era stuff like Thunderhawks for Aeronautica you can use them in-"

*buys two thunderhawks*

If I take Horus Heresy as precedent, I'll get Mk.III Marines a year after initial release. See you in 2024, I guess.

Good thing they're doing a version of Epic again. Not so great there's no Xenos, but I suppose we knew that was going to happen. Still looking forward to what we get exactly.

Not even a brief mention of how it may play. Wonder if it's even been written yet.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Not even a brief mention of how it may play. Wonder if it's even been written yet.

Lmao they showed a giant rulebook and it's supposed to release this year. All that stuff's been complete for probably a year already.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Not even a brief mention of how it may play. Wonder if it's even been written yet.

Of course it hasn’t. I mean, the last thing you do is write the rules, yeah. Even settling on the rulebook cover art comes before actually writing anything.

Looking at the Warcry warband again - monkeys and the drummer are great, the rest could not exist for all I care.

ERJAK wrote:
So wait, it's new Epic, except it's HH so it's 90% marines?

That's incredibly boring.

It'll probably be less than 90% Marines. They put axe murderers in carapace armor in the launch box when they could have filled it with more Marines like Horus Heresy. It's way easier to have other factions in plastic at this scale. Which makes the whole Horus Heresy setting baffling.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Not even a brief mention of how it may play. Wonder if it's even been written yet.

Of course it hasn’t. I mean, the last thing you do is write the rules, yeah. Even settling on the rulebook cover art comes before actually writing anything.

Yeah they will do the rules and all the playtesting over lunch.

The warcry band really feels like an Underworld band repurposed for Warcry because of too many miniatures. It feels weird to have a band of 7 miniatures with Kruleboyz. Except the boss, the rest looks weak, not elite. I really don't like it.

 Prometheum5 wrote:

Lmao they showed a giant rulebook and it's supposed to release this year. All that stuff's been complete for probably a year already.

When did they edit the now clearly Epic base from a titan photo? A year ago?

ERJAK wrote:
So wait, it's new Epic, except it's HH so it's 90% marines?

That's incredibly boring.

I saw 40k gatherings with that...

I'm not interested in playing marines at all, but with Mechanicum and Solar Auxillia I might start with that game. Those Malcador tanks and the Sentinels look great.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:

Lmao they showed a giant rulebook and it's supposed to release this year. All that stuff's been complete for probably a year already.

When did the edit the now clearly Epic base from a titan photo? A year ago?

I'd have to go back and check but it probably has been a year at this point.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
So wait, it's new Epic, except it's HH so it's 90% marines?

That's incredibly boring.

I saw 40k gatherings with that...

I'm not interested in playing marines at all, but with Mechanicum and Solar Auxillia I might start with that game. Those Malcador tanks and the Sentinels look great.

It’s just going back to its roots. The original epic was 100% marines, and it diversified massively. There will be so much pressure on Gw to go through all the relevant armies from 40k as well. Even more so than Titanicus.

There is also such a big market in the 3D printing realm that can brewed rules for the other factions will be along shortly.

So who is the looser of today's reveal? My vote goes for the Old World.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:

Lmao they showed a giant rulebook and it's supposed to release this year. All that stuff's been complete for probably a year already.

When did they edit the now clearly Epic base from a titan photo? A year ago?

March this year.

Specifically March 14th: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/11730/716640.page#11503783

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So who is the looser of today's reveal? My vote goes for the Old World.

Definitely.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So who is the looser of today's reveal?

I'd say Warcry. The "Underworld band" title on the picture in the live show was really laughable (and sadly, it gave that feeling when seeing the poor number of miniatures in the band, too).

Sarouan wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So who is the looser of today's reveal?

I'd say Warcry. The "Underworld band" title on the picture in the live show was really laughable (and sadly, it gave that feeling when seeing the poor number of miniatures in the band, too).

Hard disagree, great looking band. Certainly better than neckless banner boy.

Sarouan wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So who is the looser of today's reveal?

I'd say Warcry. The "Underworld band" title on the picture in the live show was really laughable (and sadly, it gave that feeling when seeing the poor number of miniatures in the band, too).

I'm not a fan of the kruelboy aesthetic at all but the regular mooks in that warband along with the super looking ape hangers on save it tbh. Old World reveal has been the most significantly underwhelming, again. I like the knight model and the paintjob is cool but resin is disappointing (though not unexpected by now, to be fair) and scant mention of anything else. I just wish they'd can the reveals for it until they have something more substantial if all they're gonna do is dripfeed singular resin units bit by bit.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So who is the looser of today's reveal? My vote goes for the Old World.

Age of Sigmar. They spent around 20 minutes talking about boring Epic, when we have a huge range revamp that got maybe a quarter of the time. Not to mention the huge missed opportunity of dropping another model from the second Dawnbringers book.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
What is the Primaris Lieutenant thing a reference to?

'Primaris Lieutenant' is a meme, because it feels like every second limited release model is a Primaris Lieutenant, and almost every larger release is accompanied by another one (just look into the Space Marine Datasheets, they have like 12 different Primaris Lieutenants, and that's just the ones that are distinct enough to warrant separate sheets).

Thank you!

 Flinty wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
So wait, it's new Epic, except it's HH so it's 90% marines?

That's incredibly boring.

I saw 40k gatherings with that...

I'm not interested in playing marines at all, but with Mechanicum and Solar Auxillia I might start with that game. Those Malcador tanks and the Sentinels look great.

It’s just going back to its roots. The original epic was 100% marines, and it diversified massively. There will be so much pressure on Gw to go through all the relevant armies from 40k as well. Even more so than Titanicus.

Well, the 1st edition Space Marine box was 100% Marines, but the whole game started with Eldar and Orks too (there were even models and expansions shown in the rulebook) while still set in the Heresy era.

This time I can see them just releasing a whole lot of HH stuff before adding something else.

Sarouan wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So who is the looser of today's reveal?

I'd say Warcry. The "Underworld band" title on the picture in the live show was really laughable (and sadly, it gave that feeling when seeing the poor number of miniatures in the band, too).

Looks like the band actually has 8 minis it (they didn't show one on the preview picture for some reason), they have the picture up on Warhammer community. Personally I really like the band.

General thoughts on a few things…

Bretonnian Banner is resin, so basically DOA. They will kill that game if all they release is resin. Luckily I have plenty of Bretts waiting to be painted.

Excited for epic, but really not liking the round bases….seems so unnatural for the infantry to look like that. Visually it’s really throwing me.

I didn’t log on to watch so no real disappointment for me as I expected wry little.

 Sabotage! wrote:

Looks like the band actually has 8 minis it (they didn't show one on the preview picture for some reason), they have the picture up on Warhammer community.

Exactly, they forgot to show the drummer there.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Flinty wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
So wait, it's new Epic, except it's HH so it's 90% marines?

That's incredibly boring.

I saw 40k gatherings with that...

I'm not interested in playing marines at all, but with Mechanicum and Solar Auxillia I might start with that game. Those Malcador tanks and the Sentinels look great.

It’s just going back to its roots. The original epic was 100% marines, and it diversified massively. There will be so much pressure on Gw to go through all the relevant armies from 40k as well. Even more so than Titanicus.

Well, the 1st edition Space Marine box was 100% Marines, but the whole game started with Eldar and Orks too (there were even models and expansions shown in the rulebook) while still set in the Heresy era.

This time I can see them just releasing a whole lot of HH stuff before adding something else.

I suspect a lot will depend on how much the new Epic boxset sells.

Really hoping the value is reasonable and they don't go too much for the 'detail/boutique' angle. I already have a large collection so it won't really affect me, but I was hoping this new release would really help bolster the community and get a lot more people.playing Epic.

 bullyboy wrote:
Bretonnian Banner is resin, so basically DOA. They will kill that game if all they release is resin. Luckily I have plenty of Bretts waiting to be painted.

They insisted during the stream that there are also plastic kits coming. They're just not showing them (yet).

Kruleboys sitll hold the torch of the worst miniature designs in a long time.
Skaven not that exiting either.

I forgot about this show and glad I did because there was really nothing to write home about.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Not even a brief mention of how it may play. Wonder if it's even been written yet.

How even now people have no idea about leadtimes...

To be this year release like said it was done and wrapped last year.

They don't tell everything at once. How to hype if you reveal all and rules right away?

 Snrub wrote:
Wasn't the rumour/s pointing towards it being the Feribundus (spelling?)
A deredeo would seem the logical choice though and rounds out the dreads in plastic.

"Furibundus". Or Fury, as it was nicknamed back in Rogue Trader.

Along with Chuck (Contemptor) and Eddie (Deredeo).

 NAVARRO wrote:
Kruleboys sitll hold the torch of the worst miniature designs in a long time.

No, that honour belongs to the bone reapers or Votann

Tsagualsa wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It wasn't a 40k preview. They didn't preview any 40k things.

If you want to split hairs, the plastic Knights were specifically mentioned as being useable in 40k

Even better, the original Cerastus release got 40K rules before they appeared in HH, so it's technically 40K model to begin with

 Irbis wrote:
Even better, the original Cerastus release got 40K rules before they appeared in HH, so it's technically 40K model to begin with

As in got a free PDF before the release of Conquest? That doesn't make it a 40k model chief.

 BertBert wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Kruleboys sitll hold the torch of the worst miniature designs in a long time.

No, that honour belongs to the bone reapers or Votann

Agreed. I rather like the Kruleboyz. Now those Bone Reapers......yikes, they are definitely not for me.

ERJAK wrote:
So wait, it's new Epic, except it's HH so it's 90% marines?

The box they previewed isn't even 50% Marines.

Huh. Forgot this was happening.

Not much there really. Some interesting bits and bobs. Definitely not sold on cities of sigmar (all the armor looks weirdly oversized, like kids playing dress-up), the other minor lines are just ok.

Epic HH is... fine? It seems a small box to me- its weirdly disingenuous to talk about 106 and 104 'models' on each side, when its really the number of stands that matter. And... there aren't that many. Teeny-tiny forces for an 'Epic' scale game.

By way of comparison, the old yellow 'Epic Armies Battle Group' box for Space Marine contained 4 forces (eldar, chaos, guard and marines) and was a 9"x6"x5" box with 150-200+ 'models' per side (it says 650 total). I think it cost maybe $40 or $50. Obviously I don't expect that cost ratio or a box that mixes forces like that these days, but 48 stands of troops, a handful of vehicles and a pair of warhounds is pretty paltry for the scale.

 bullyboy wrote:
General thoughts on a few things…

Bretonnian Banner is resin, so basically DOA. They will kill that game if all they release is resin. Luckily I have plenty of Bretts waiting to be painted.

I wonder if it is mostly characters that are going to be in resin. Units that aren't going to be high volume sellers like infantry and standard units. That's the vibe I am getting. A bit like GW has approached Horus Heresy. A lot of those specialist characters have been released in resin, but infantry, tanks, and so on are all in plastic.

tneva82 wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Not even a brief mention of how it may play. Wonder if it's even been written yet.

How even now people have no idea about leadtimes...

To be this year release like said it was done and wrapped last year.

They don't tell everything at once. How to hype if you reveal all and rules right away?

I guess I should have tagged the 2nd sentence with some kind of sarcasm marker.



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 Pacific wrote:

I suspect a lot will depend on how much the new Epic boxset sells.

Really hoping the value is reasonable and they don't go too much for the 'detail/boutique' angle. I already have a large collection so it won't really affect me, but I was hoping this new release would really help bolster the community and get a lot more people.playing Epic.

Just a thought...

It will be a launch box that will sell out in a matter of seconds on the website, with LGS not getting the stock they ordered.
Anyone that missed out that wants to play, will have to pay the double/triple priced mark ups of the individual releases several months later. By then GW will have moved onto hyping the next AoS4 edition.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

Just a thought...

It will be a launch box that will sell out in a matter of seconds on the website, with LGS not getting the stock they ordered.
Anyone that missed out that wants to play, will have to pay the double/triple priced mark ups of the individual releases several months later. By then GW will have moved onto hyping the next AoS4 edition.

Hopefully not - Leviathan is out of the way freeing up more production slots, and GW are suggesting lots of support and additional releases. The Horus Heresy boxset is still available even now, which also has the rules & templates. It'll be interesting to contrast how long this lasts and if it meets internal projections to be a "success".

 Eldarsif wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
General thoughts on a few things…

Bretonnian Banner is resin, so basically DOA. They will kill that game if all they release is resin. Luckily I have plenty of Bretts waiting to be painted.

I wonder if it is mostly characters that are going to be in resin. Units that aren't going to be high volume sellers like infantry and standard units. That's the vibe I am getting. A bit like GW has approached Horus Heresy. A lot of those specialist characters have been released in resin, but infantry, tanks, and so on are all in plastic.

I should very much hope that Core units and others you need in spades will be plastic. Anything else would be nonsensical to the point that, and I only say this rarely, it would be too nonsensical even for GW.

With regard to the reception of the resin characters, I wonder what's going on with GW marketing. One of the bigger issues with old Fantasy was the partially dire need for revamped Core regiments. As the argument against starting a new army often went at the time, what good does a shiny new centerpiece monster do if you have to spend time and money on hopelessly outdated Core models to play it. That didn't help the game's health when it already had enough other problems. But that's Kirby's GW for you.

Now we're seeing a long marketing campaign that suffered no shortage of criticism and provided ample opportunity for GW to reflect on how they want to continue it. As we move on to actual model reveals, they choose to show new character only, with no clear idea of how the larger army around them is going to look. "Some old kits, some new kits" is not a satisfying statement in that regard. It's also kind of odd that the company that built its success on massive plastic miniatures ranges tries to drum up excitement with the resin sideshow even though they keep saying there will be new plastic regiments. It all seems poorly thought through.

What will kill TOW is that all three models shown thus far are just poorly sculpted. It looks like they've promoted whoever makes the tea.

As a non-fantasy player, I wonder if the Alchemite Warforger will end up in more 40K Inquistor Retinues or Kill Teams than AOS armies.

I'm sure I can find a 40K use for him.

 alphaecho wrote:


As a non-fantasy player, I wonder if the Alchemite Warforger will end up in more 40K Inquistor Retinues or Kill Teams than AOS armies.

I'm sure I can find a 40K use for him.

He'd make for an awesome low-rank Chaos guy, one that feeds the daemon engines or whatever Or a torturer.

Eumerin wrote:
"Furibundus". Or Fury, as it was nicknamed back in Rogue Trader.

Along with Chuck (Contemptor) and Eddie (Deredeo).

Huh, I was only 1 letter off, how bout that!

Do you remember what it's general "thing" was? Long range, short range, melee, etc.?

http://www.solegends.com/citcat1991a/cat1991ap024smdreadnoughts-01.htm

Furibundus Destroyer Dreadnought (lascannon / twin boltgun) - looks to be support/AT

 Snrub wrote:

Eumerin wrote:
"Furibundus". Or Fury, as it was nicknamed back in Rogue Trader.

Along with Chuck (Contemptor) and Eddie (Deredeo).

Huh, I was only 1 letter off, how bout that!

Do you remember what it's general "thing" was? Long range, short range, melee, etc.?

In their earlier incarnations the Contemptor was close combat-oriented, the Deredeo was assault support and the Furibundus was an intermediate 'Destroyer':



Note that that's from the time when they had the same main body; there was also a chaosified variant of it, that got re-imagined a bit as the Helbrute, taking in elements from the very old ones as well as the more contemporary boxnaughts and forgeworld venerable dreads:



The current-day Forgeworld Deredeo, however, is more modelled after an entirely different chassis: the Dreadnought from Advanced Space Crusade:





So who knows what a reimagined 'Fury' Dreadnought might be inspired by, maybe one of the as-of-yet unused Imperial Robots?



Obviously some of them have inspired current-day sculpts (the Castellax, the Kastellan, and the Vorax, for example) but there is still ample material to touch up for a modern audience.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Note that that's from the time when they had the same main body; there was also a chaosified variant of it, that got re-imagined a bit as the Helbrute, taking in elements from the very old ones as well as the more contemporary boxnaughts and forgeworld venerable dreads:

There were variant bodies and legs and even a variant right arm, but all of them were fully interchangeable (differences were minor) and made no difference to what you were running. The thing that determined what kind of dreadnought you had was the left arm, and you got the one indicated by the label on the blister you were buying. I had one of them - a Chuck, I think. I'm not sure whether I still have it, though, and it's been in pieces for a long time in any case (maybe I should put it together - if I can find the parts - and bring it by the FLGS just to see how many people recognize it?). Having started with that as my view of what a "dreadnought" should look like, I was a bit surprised when they redesigned them into the boxy shape we have now.

Old-Four-Arms wrote:http://www.solegends.com/citcat1991a/cat1991ap024smdreadnoughts-01.htm

Furibundus Destroyer Dreadnought (lascannon / twin boltgun) - looks to be support/AT

Tsagualsa wrote:In their earlier incarnations the Contemptor was close combat-oriented, the Deredeo was assault support and the Furibundus was an intermediate 'Destroyer':

Hmm. I think the Contemptor does well enough as anti-tank that you wouldn't really need to have a dedicated class of dread, but if they kept it as a "Destroyer" class dreadnought, that would open up some interesting possibilities while still fitting in with the other dreadnought classes.
-Castra-ferrum: Zone Mortalis and confined spaces.
-Contemptor: Jack-of-all-trades
-Deredeo: Long range support
-Leviathan: Siege

Give the Fury some nasty weapons like Heavy Toxiferran flamers, Phosphex barrage launchers, Rad Cleansers, etc etc. Give it some horrible rule about being dripping in radiation and such like, so although it's got no melee weapons, anyone who comes with in 6 inches suffers -1 to their toughness or some malarky so it'll still kick your gak in.